1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,000 Speaker 1: Welcome. Everybody reminded that the moist line is coming back, 2 00:00:03,160 --> 00:00:05,440 Speaker 1: and it's a couple of days one eight seven seven 3 00:00:05,480 --> 00:00:08,480 Speaker 1: moist eighty six one eight seven seven six six four 4 00:00:08,600 --> 00:00:11,319 Speaker 1: seven eighty eight six And you can also leave a 5 00:00:11,360 --> 00:00:16,000 Speaker 1: message on the iHeartRadio app using the microphone icon. Well, 6 00:00:16,360 --> 00:00:18,400 Speaker 1: we're back to gas prices again on the John and 7 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:21,040 Speaker 1: Ken Show, and of course they continue to go up 8 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:23,000 Speaker 1: here in the state of California to the point where 9 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 1: there has never been a bigger gap between this state 10 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 1: and all the other states in the nation. We were 11 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:32,239 Speaker 1: talking last hour that we're about double the price of 12 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:35,280 Speaker 1: a gallont of gas in Florida, which was of course 13 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 1: hit by that terrible hurricane. Yeah, gas prices in the 14 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 1: state six forty one a gallon higher in Los Angeles, 15 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:48,560 Speaker 1: ninety six cent increase in two weeks. In Florida, it's 16 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:52,560 Speaker 1: three dollars and twenty three cents cheaper per gallon. You 17 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 1: take a twenty gallon tank, it costs you in California 18 00:00:56,600 --> 00:01:00,240 Speaker 1: sixty bucks more a tank than Florida. This is really 19 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:05,399 Speaker 1: gotten stupid down. Let's get Severn Bournstein on. He's an 20 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:08,039 Speaker 1: energy economist that you see Berkeley. He's been on with 21 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:11,440 Speaker 1: us before, and he's going to explain all this or 22 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:14,520 Speaker 1: we won't let him leave Severn. Welcome again to the show. 23 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:18,399 Speaker 1: How are you good? How are you all right? Okay? Yeah? Well, 24 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:21,200 Speaker 1: I mean you've studied gas prices for many years. Have 25 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:24,760 Speaker 1: you ever seen anything like this? No, this was a 26 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 1: very unusual price spike. Our has been. It's not over yet, 27 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:31,480 Speaker 1: but it does look like it's starting to come to 28 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 1: an end. The wholesale market. The spot price for gasoline 29 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:39,559 Speaker 1: has dropped a bit Monday and Tuesday, and then today 30 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:42,680 Speaker 1: it just plummeted, so it's down more than a dollar 31 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:45,880 Speaker 1: a gallon. That doesn't mean anything to people who are 32 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:48,360 Speaker 1: buying who are at the pump today, because the price 33 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 1: is going to take a while to filter through. We 34 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:53,240 Speaker 1: probably will start to see the price follow in the 35 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 1: next few days. My guess is it will be down 36 00:01:56,280 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 1: fifty cents a gallon by the end of next week. 37 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 1: That's still very expensive, but by the end of October 38 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 1: I think we will be back to our normal relationship 39 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:10,680 Speaker 1: to the rest of the country, which is with prices 40 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 1: about a dollar twenty higher than the rest of the country, 41 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 1: the average of the country. What's going on? I have 42 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:20,200 Speaker 1: friends in New Jersey sending me photos of the gas 43 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:22,919 Speaker 1: prices there, and it's three oh six of one pump. 44 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 1: It's three twenty at another pump, and they're seeing the headlines. 45 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 1: You know, this is a national story. In California at 46 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:33,079 Speaker 1: six six fifty seven, there's one station downtown. Somebody sent 47 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:37,240 Speaker 1: me a photo eight thirty five for regular downtown LA. Now, 48 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 1: this is getting stupid. This this looks like something criminal 49 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:42,960 Speaker 1: is going on. Most people I know think something criminal 50 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:45,240 Speaker 1: is going on, either in the government or the oil 51 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:48,240 Speaker 1: companies are both. You can't explain a three to five 52 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 1: dollar price differential, Oh you can. Actually, California uses a 53 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:55,839 Speaker 1: different gasoline than the rest of the state, the rest 54 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 1: of the world, and the rest of the country, and 55 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 1: we have a limit a number of refineries that make it. 56 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:06,800 Speaker 1: When the when they're suddenly a cut in supply, the 57 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 1: price shoots up because people will pay it. And so 58 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 1: when you have limited supply, the price has to go 59 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:15,920 Speaker 1: up a lot in order to ration down the demand 60 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 1: for it. Now, that's the less criminal explanation. It's also 61 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:27,600 Speaker 1: possible that the refineries are actually taking the opportunity to 62 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:31,160 Speaker 1: reduce output even more and drive prices even higher. Why 63 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:36,520 Speaker 1: why wouldn't they try to in the end of forty 64 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:40,480 Speaker 1: nine states? Ah, they do. I mean they we rely 65 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 1: on competition to control prices in markets, in a market economy, 66 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 1: and the problem is California has a less competition because 67 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:53,640 Speaker 1: we use a different blend of gasoline than the rest 68 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:56,560 Speaker 1: of the country, so we are not integrated and we 69 00:03:56,600 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 1: can't easily buy gasoline from the rest of the country. Now, 70 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 1: the good news is that's the reason you can see 71 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 1: the mountains in Los Angeles, because we have cleaned up 72 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:08,560 Speaker 1: the air by using a cleaner burning gasoline. The bad 73 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:10,800 Speaker 1: news is we haven't talked the rest of the country 74 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 1: into using this cleaner gasoline, even very polluted places like 75 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:19,360 Speaker 1: Salt Lake City. And as a result, we're a gasoline island. 76 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:23,279 Speaker 1: So when we have a disrupt but also into a 77 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 1: really tight market. We had fifty refineries some years back, 78 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 1: we're down to sixteen, and the oil companies say that 79 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:34,240 Speaker 1: California's regulation drove most of those thirty six other refineries 80 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:38,159 Speaker 1: out of business because they just can't That's nonsense. The 81 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:42,160 Speaker 1: reason we may ask you something sever and hold on 82 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:45,040 Speaker 1: a second, is the government at fault for any of 83 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 1: this or any other policies excessive or is everything that 84 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 1: the new sub administration does correct and we deserve to 85 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:56,160 Speaker 1: be paid, not the new sub administration. First of all, 86 00:04:56,200 --> 00:05:00,480 Speaker 1: we've been doing this since nineteen ninety five. And secondly, good, 87 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:03,720 Speaker 1: all right, I'll include all the administrations. I'll include all 88 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:07,599 Speaker 1: the administrations since nineteen ninety five. Fine Brown, but Schwarzenegger, 89 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:10,920 Speaker 1: Gray Davis, Pete, Wilson, good, all of them. Is there 90 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 1: something in California government at all do you think is 91 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:18,080 Speaker 1: excessive when it's now six fifty years three excessive? I 92 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:20,919 Speaker 1: would say that we haven't done a good job of 93 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:24,480 Speaker 1: planning for the fact that we're using a cleaner burning gasoline. 94 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:27,360 Speaker 1: And I was on a committee in nineteen ninety nine, 95 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:29,719 Speaker 1: and I was chair of the committee to the Petroleum 96 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:33,359 Speaker 1: Market Advisory Committee in twenty fourteen to twenty seventeen, and 97 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 1: both times we issued final reports that recommended policies. And 98 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:42,040 Speaker 1: both times, during a spike, people pay attention, and then 99 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:44,480 Speaker 1: as soon as the price goes back down again, the 100 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:48,120 Speaker 1: media and the press and the politicians and folks like 101 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 1: you stop paying attention. Happening. The media and folks like 102 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:56,600 Speaker 1: me are not in charge of the government. Wait, a second, 103 00:05:56,800 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 1: you keep warning to exonerate that. You know what the 104 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:02,839 Speaker 1: government good rules of the government is pressure from people 105 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:05,160 Speaker 1: the government. Yes, but the government ought to be doing 106 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:07,600 Speaker 1: the right thing for the people. Yes, they should. I 107 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:10,040 Speaker 1: don't know they should be. You know how hard it 108 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:12,839 Speaker 1: is for most of the people in this state to 109 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:15,599 Speaker 1: deal with six dollars gas. You know, we've got a 110 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:18,280 Speaker 1: quarter of the state in poverty. How does six dollar 111 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 1: a gallon gas help? How does having electricity rate? That's 112 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:26,159 Speaker 1: a huge problem. So why why is the government got 113 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:30,279 Speaker 1: policies and taxes and regulations to make everything worse? Name 114 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:33,159 Speaker 1: one thing the government's done in the last twenty years 115 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:35,359 Speaker 1: that brought down the price of energy, the price of 116 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:38,960 Speaker 1: gas one thing. Well, I'm not going to be able 117 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 1: to name something that brought down the price. I will 118 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 1: name something that got you cleaner air and less health 119 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 1: problems by using cleaner burning gaslight. Is that all you 120 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 1: got to do is there should be a balance in 121 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:53,560 Speaker 1: all of this. There should be a balance in all 122 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:58,200 Speaker 1: of this. So failed in creating I went to Florida. 123 00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:01,240 Speaker 1: I went to Florida for two weeks in the summer, 124 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:04,760 Speaker 1: and it's hot, humid there. Air was clean, though gas 125 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 1: was three dollars and twenty cents. I understand we have 126 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 1: a different geography here, especially in the La Basin. But 127 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 1: this idea, the idea that we have to pay six 128 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:19,160 Speaker 1: seven eight dollars taft play air, it's starting, it's starting 129 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 1: not to be credible price spike. But if you instead 130 00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 1: look at the average over many years, California's prices are 131 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:29,960 Speaker 1: higher than the rest of the country, mostly due to 132 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 1: higher taxes and UH and environmental programs. Sure, and several 133 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 1: of those taxes go towards good pology program say no, no, no, no, 134 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 1: hold on, we just had a story yesterday. All the 135 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 1: taxes that are supposed to go for the roads. There's 136 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:49,960 Speaker 1: an organization that said California has the fiftieth when it 137 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:52,960 Speaker 1: comes to road conditions. We're in last place for all 138 00:07:52,960 --> 00:07:56,320 Speaker 1: those Yeah, yeah, well what's the point of how those 139 00:07:56,800 --> 00:08:01,760 Speaker 1: support But California, Well, i'm money gas dec Yes, I wish, Yes, 140 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:04,920 Speaker 1: California does raise money through gast and we have the 141 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:08,080 Speaker 1: worst roads in the state. Ram Minnesota has better roads 142 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:09,760 Speaker 1: than we do, and they have eight months of winter 143 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:12,320 Speaker 1: severn Even you have talked about a mystery search hard 144 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:14,600 Speaker 1: since you've never been able to nail down. You want 145 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 1: to talk about that. Yeah, No, I think we have 146 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:21,360 Speaker 1: a real competition problem in California's gasoline market, and I 147 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:26,200 Speaker 1: think the state should be looking into it. And why 148 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:28,440 Speaker 1: don't they, Well, there is now us that will let 149 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 1: me finish. There is now an Assembly Select committee that 150 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:34,160 Speaker 1: has started to look into it. But to be honest, 151 00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:37,840 Speaker 1: when the price of gasoline goes back down again, I'm 152 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 1: worried that they will move on to other things and 153 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 1: won't keep at it. But isn't the real situation here 154 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:47,200 Speaker 1: that the state would rather the oil refinery companies leave 155 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:50,360 Speaker 1: And they have been doing that over the period of yours. 156 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:53,880 Speaker 1: As John mentioned, fifty refineries down to about seventeen. This 157 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:55,600 Speaker 1: is not a state that's good to do business in, 158 00:08:55,640 --> 00:09:00,559 Speaker 1: which makes the supply smaller. Well, I think Californa has 159 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:03,439 Speaker 1: been losing refineries just like the rest of the country 160 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:07,120 Speaker 1: has been losing refineries. The refineries that still are here 161 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:09,800 Speaker 1: are much larger than they used to be, so we 162 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 1: have a much bigger refineries and not the little boutique 163 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:15,960 Speaker 1: refineries we had fifty or one hundred years. Yeah, but 164 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:19,360 Speaker 1: obviously we don't have enough enough refineries. Whatever they're big 165 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:22,560 Speaker 1: or small. It's not enough time because we don't time. 166 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:26,040 Speaker 1: Prior to twenty fifteen, that wasn't true most of the time. 167 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:29,679 Speaker 1: Prior to twenty fifteen, we had our prices were higher 168 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:31,320 Speaker 1: than the rest of the country, but they were just 169 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:33,880 Speaker 1: hired by the amount of the higher taxes and fees, 170 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 1: plus a bit of cost for this cleaner burning gasolinge 171 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:39,840 Speaker 1: we're talking ten cents a gallon. In twenty fifteen, we 172 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:44,000 Speaker 1: had a major refinery outage in Torrance, and our prices 173 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:46,200 Speaker 1: shot up and they never came all the way back 174 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:48,720 Speaker 1: down again. And that's what I call the mystery gasoline 175 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:56,559 Speaker 1: search charge. That's a problem the refinery. Absolutely, that's a problem. Um. 176 00:09:56,840 --> 00:09:59,960 Speaker 1: We haven't really put the resources into figuring that out. 177 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:02,920 Speaker 1: That's the problem. I just don't understand why they. I 178 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:05,400 Speaker 1: don't understand why the other forty nine states don't have 179 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:08,160 Speaker 1: any of these problems. It doesn't seem that they don't 180 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:12,080 Speaker 1: have refinery maintenance, they don't have refineries. They have some 181 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:16,160 Speaker 1: of these states, Chicago occasionally get severe price spikes. Um, 182 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:20,080 Speaker 1: they have a pipeline issue. Um. But yeah, California has 183 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:23,960 Speaker 1: more of these problems. Hawaii has has historically at prices 184 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:27,480 Speaker 1: about it, except Hawaii's a dollar cheaper right now, Hawaii's 185 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:31,319 Speaker 1: three thousand miles, they're a dollar cheaper. Well, we're asking 186 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:33,880 Speaker 1: about now today? Is all that matters to me? Right 187 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:36,920 Speaker 1: now is what matters. What everybody listening today is what matters. 188 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:39,160 Speaker 1: They're paying six to fifty a gallon. It's three and 189 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:42,080 Speaker 1: a quarterbucks cheaper in Florida, it's a buck cheaper in Hawaii. 190 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:47,120 Speaker 1: It's cheaper everywhere. And so everyone to say you have 191 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:50,199 Speaker 1: the problem people who say things like today, is all 192 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:53,360 Speaker 1: that matters because when you take that approach, you never 193 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:56,760 Speaker 1: plan for it to actually solve these problems. And I'm 194 00:10:56,800 --> 00:10:59,679 Speaker 1: not paid, I'm not paid to regulate the oil and 195 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:03,000 Speaker 1: street here. The people in government who you still haven't 196 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:06,120 Speaker 1: said a bad word about they haven't done their job 197 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 1: for twenty years a bad word about it. And I 198 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:11,439 Speaker 1: completely agree. I think that the government hasn't stuck to 199 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 1: this and really dug into it even when prices go 200 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:16,959 Speaker 1: back down, because isn't that what they want. They don't 201 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:19,320 Speaker 1: want people driving gas field cars. Isn't that really the 202 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:21,960 Speaker 1: goal here for the next tally. The goal is to 203 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:25,320 Speaker 1: phase out gasoline cars because they create greenhouse gas. Right, 204 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:27,160 Speaker 1: So why would they care about higher gas prices. It 205 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 1: will cause people to drive lift because they want because 206 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:33,600 Speaker 1: the money is going to oil companies and not to 207 00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:36,800 Speaker 1: the government. So I don't think anyone in the government 208 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:38,680 Speaker 1: I've talked to, and I've talked to people on both 209 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:41,680 Speaker 1: sides of the aisle, is happy about high gas prices. 210 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 1: They want they want that money too. If they we 211 00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:48,160 Speaker 1: are gonna have high prices, well we just had. We 212 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:50,760 Speaker 1: just had a gas tax increase in July. So they 213 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:54,840 Speaker 1: weren't so unhappy that they would stop that increase. They 214 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:57,600 Speaker 1: weren't so unhappy that they wouldn't suspend the gas tax 215 00:11:57,880 --> 00:12:00,080 Speaker 1: for the rest of the year, which was proposed. So 216 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:02,320 Speaker 1: they're not that unhappy because they don't do anything to 217 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:04,319 Speaker 1: lower the price. And I got another problem with all 218 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:08,679 Speaker 1: this greenhouse gas hysteria. Explain to me, if we restrict 219 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:12,280 Speaker 1: oil production severely in California, it just means we're buying 220 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:16,560 Speaker 1: it from overseas. It's the same greenhouse gas that's going 221 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:17,880 Speaker 1: to go in the air if they pump it in 222 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 1: Saudi Arabia or Venezuela or Russia. In fact, they there 223 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:25,880 Speaker 1: their oil production is dirtier than ours, So we're all right, 224 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:29,720 Speaker 1: self righteous about how we have strict oil drilling laws. 225 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:32,559 Speaker 1: But the same oil is going to be consumed by us. 226 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:34,800 Speaker 1: It's just the oil is going to come from somewhere else. 227 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:37,480 Speaker 1: What's the point of that, it's the same atmosphere. You're 228 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:40,679 Speaker 1: not you're not cooling the plan. We need to phase 229 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:43,800 Speaker 1: out gas burning gas, but they're not going to the 230 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 1: rest of the world's not going to. Have you seen 231 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:51,319 Speaker 1: what goes on in China and in India there electric vehicles. Oh, 232 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:54,160 Speaker 1: stop with the spin. They they're firing up so many 233 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:58,560 Speaker 1: cold fire plants. You know, you know that China is 234 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:01,520 Speaker 1: opening up coal fire plants. You're switching out of now 235 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 1: you're switching out a vehicle. No, No, to what I'm 236 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:06,200 Speaker 1: telling you is the other countries aren't going along with 237 00:13:06,280 --> 00:13:09,480 Speaker 1: this greenhouse gas. The other countries are not going along 238 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:13,839 Speaker 1: with the greenhouse to climate change. We're not going to 239 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:16,720 Speaker 1: solive it here. Let us roast. You're gonna see, that's 240 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:19,680 Speaker 1: not gonna be. That's not gonna Let everybody rose. Yes, 241 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:23,240 Speaker 1: because one hundred years from now, one hundred years from now, 242 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:25,160 Speaker 1: it's going to be a degree and a half warmer. 243 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:28,880 Speaker 1: That means everyone's going to roast at one point six 244 00:13:28,920 --> 00:13:31,040 Speaker 1: degrees from now, it's gonna be a lot more than that. 245 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:34,120 Speaker 1: It looks like, yeah, we're all ready you know that. 246 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 1: You know that, the way that they couldn't predict a 247 00:13:36,559 --> 00:13:39,080 Speaker 1: hurricane one hour in advance in Florida last week, but 248 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:41,239 Speaker 1: we know a hundred years from now. But the temperature, 249 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:45,080 Speaker 1: the science is the imperfect. We shouldn't do anything, and 250 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 1: we should just knowing you should and cause massive climate change. 251 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:53,320 Speaker 1: You have nobody buying into this around the World's really 252 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:55,200 Speaker 1: not going to get us where we need to go. 253 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:57,839 Speaker 1: And why aren't you convincing all the other countries around 254 00:13:57,880 --> 00:14:00,600 Speaker 1: the world. Why is it just California? Are we paying 255 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:03,240 Speaker 1: the six fifty gall All the other states are not 256 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:06,040 Speaker 1: paying at Europe plays a lot more than we do 257 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 1: for gasoline. Germany has on its hands and knees bent 258 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:16,600 Speaker 1: over by the Russians. They're burning lignite now, they're burning 259 00:14:16,679 --> 00:14:19,240 Speaker 1: the dirtiest form of coal to keep their their their 260 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:22,720 Speaker 1: people warm this winter. Lignite they're burning. You know that. Yeah, 261 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:24,680 Speaker 1: And you know they're opening up coal plants in India. 262 00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:28,160 Speaker 1: They're opening coal plants in China by the hundreds because 263 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:31,560 Speaker 1: they have to bring their uh people into the middle class. 264 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:33,280 Speaker 1: They have to get them out of poverty, which is 265 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:35,600 Speaker 1: what burning fossil fuels did for the whole world. It 266 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:38,400 Speaker 1: brought billions of people out of poverty. It's the greatest 267 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 1: invention imaginable. Or should we all go back and live 268 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:44,880 Speaker 1: in the thatch huts and gather our own food to do? 269 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:47,040 Speaker 1: What we should do is figure out a way to 270 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:51,200 Speaker 1: maintain that standard of living without regret. Where's the electrical grid? 271 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:55,400 Speaker 1: We have a crappy electrical grid. We don't have any 272 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:57,800 Speaker 1: charging stations in this state to speak of. Do you 273 00:14:57,800 --> 00:14:59,440 Speaker 1: see that story in the other Times? How do you 274 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:03,920 Speaker 1: guy about Texas? Is electrical grid? It stakes? And then 275 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:07,800 Speaker 1: Texas is not exactly a politically progressive state. No, because 276 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:12,320 Speaker 1: it's not politics. It's stupidity, basically progressive problem. It's it's 277 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:15,560 Speaker 1: no because it's stupidity. They had a stupid policy in Texas, 278 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:19,120 Speaker 1: a stupid policy about every stupid policy. But they are 279 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:22,400 Speaker 1: they are. When you when you know that oil and 280 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:25,280 Speaker 1: get and they won't build nuclear plants, what's the point 281 00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:27,800 Speaker 1: of that. That's stupid too, So your solution is to 282 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:33,040 Speaker 1: do nothing and just build build, build nuclear plants. Your 283 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:35,760 Speaker 1: own oil. That's what You're incredibly expensive, and you'd be 284 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:38,280 Speaker 1: yelling at me about no, I'd be having to pay 285 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:43,280 Speaker 1: for nuclear energy. It's clean. It's clean, so so are 286 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:46,160 Speaker 1: lots of other sources. But we have no electrical grid. 287 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:48,640 Speaker 1: How come we doing this without electrical grid? How come 288 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:52,120 Speaker 1: we doing this without charging stations? This is nuts. Nobody 289 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:54,200 Speaker 1: else is doing in this in the country because it's nuts. 290 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:58,480 Speaker 1: It's the craziest set of policies imaginable. Nustom's running around 291 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:01,240 Speaker 1: scared of blackouts every five minute, it's for three weeks, 292 00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:03,560 Speaker 1: the same thing as last year. Why are we scared 293 00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:07,240 Speaker 1: about blackouts? There's no blackouts in together states? You know 294 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 1: this is this is an instant You follow what happened 295 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:12,720 Speaker 1: in Texas and last year, last year, not this year. 296 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:16,640 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, So that that is really living in 297 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:21,840 Speaker 1: the moment. Who who else had blackouts? I've had several years? 298 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:25,320 Speaker 1: What other states? What other states had a problem? I said, 299 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:28,720 Speaker 1: they had a stupid policy with blackouts. Yeah, but we're 300 00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 1: having it every year now for the past several years. Boy, 301 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:33,280 Speaker 1: you wouldn't even admit that we had the worst system. 302 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:36,240 Speaker 1: No wonder you were in charge of seven We gotta 303 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:41,800 Speaker 1: go We thank you very much for coming on. Deborah 304 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:44,360 Speaker 1: Mark Latin twenty four hour Calfe News er. Well, you'll 305 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:48,080 Speaker 1: just turn our conversation with seven Bornstein and energy economists 306 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:53,040 Speaker 1: at UC Berkeley and the sparks flew. Oh I'm you know, 307 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:55,720 Speaker 1: I'm sick of these guys. Oh they all love you dudes. 308 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:58,960 Speaker 1: Change the subject, change the subject, and they got they 309 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:01,560 Speaker 1: got their snug get a little comeback. It's like, stop 310 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:04,280 Speaker 1: it already. I mean, the gas is more than double 311 00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:07,840 Speaker 1: here than it is in Florida. What's going on here? 312 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:10,199 Speaker 1: The one thing I wanted to comment on it. I 313 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:13,399 Speaker 1: took a look at it during the break. He of 314 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:15,600 Speaker 1: course said that, well, you know, one of the reasons 315 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:18,720 Speaker 1: because we have that unique blend of gas, so we 316 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:20,840 Speaker 1: have to use during the spring and summer months, and 317 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:22,679 Speaker 1: then we switched back to the regular plant. That's going 318 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:25,160 Speaker 1: to bring the prices down. But you know, we made 319 00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:27,800 Speaker 1: it sound like, oh, for that we have the clean air. 320 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:30,639 Speaker 1: I looked this up. You know, before all this you 321 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:32,280 Speaker 1: try to look this up and you get caught in 322 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:35,400 Speaker 1: the in the greenhouse gas thing, right, But that wasn't 323 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:37,199 Speaker 1: the concern back when all this story was in the 324 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:42,000 Speaker 1: nineteen fifties, a California researcher determined that air pollutants from 325 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:45,239 Speaker 1: traffic was to blame for the smoggy skies over LA 326 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:47,720 Speaker 1: And I think that's what seven was referring to. Yeah, right, 327 00:17:48,359 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 1: but that didn't have anything to do with what they 328 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:51,560 Speaker 1: were what they're trying to do now. I mean, the 329 00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:54,639 Speaker 1: gas is much cleaner, and it has been for years, 330 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:56,359 Speaker 1: and in fact, you know, we got rid of letted 331 00:17:56,359 --> 00:17:58,560 Speaker 1: gasoline in the nineteen seventy they passed the Major Clean 332 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:02,400 Speaker 1: Air Act and engine the reduction allutions. It's burnt cleaner. Yeah, 333 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:05,280 Speaker 1: we've had clean air before we worried about greenhouse gases. 334 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:07,840 Speaker 1: That's what I'm trying to say. Well, I think that's 335 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:11,200 Speaker 1: a separate conversation than just having clean air. And we 336 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:14,119 Speaker 1: have less smog because of changes that were made before 337 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:17,160 Speaker 1: the hysteria over climate change gas. But I'm saying that's 338 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 1: what they do. What they do. You and I said, 339 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:22,120 Speaker 1: just years ago they started to nix them up. Pollution 340 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:27,560 Speaker 1: now refers to greenhouse gases. Yes, for years, pollution was 341 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:29,879 Speaker 1: the thick black stuff that used to be in the 342 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:32,639 Speaker 1: air and down to the smog, the real smog, and 343 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:36,280 Speaker 1: then they decided to call pollution greenhouse gases, which is 344 00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:40,360 Speaker 1: carbon dioxide. And that's after the air got clean from 345 00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:42,760 Speaker 1: the smog. But now they said, well, the new problem 346 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:44,720 Speaker 1: is that even though it's not causing the air to 347 00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:47,360 Speaker 1: be smoggy, it's causing the temperatures to rise. Well, it's 348 00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:51,120 Speaker 1: a marketing ploy, is what, in order to sell Oh yeah, 349 00:18:51,119 --> 00:18:54,000 Speaker 1: there were pollution sticks in people's heads. Yeah, well this 350 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:57,960 Speaker 1: is pollution. Well no, it's not pollution dot in the 351 00:18:58,040 --> 00:18:59,880 Speaker 1: traditional way we knew it. But it was a market 352 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:03,520 Speaker 1: employed to justify the taxes and the regulation. Right, So 353 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:06,440 Speaker 1: they started in the seventies with all sorts of regulations 354 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:09,720 Speaker 1: to make the gas cleaner. This is nationwide, but California 355 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:12,680 Speaker 1: kicked this off because people served here a long time. 356 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:15,440 Speaker 1: Know that downtown of La looked disgusting. And you said, 357 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:18,320 Speaker 1: the geography here with the mountains and smog, gets trapped. 358 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:20,399 Speaker 1: Cars used to get eight miles a gallon. I know, 359 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:22,080 Speaker 1: I had a car that got eight miles a gallon. 360 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:25,560 Speaker 1: When you're getting thirty miles a gallon, obviously you're burning 361 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:29,240 Speaker 1: a lot less gasoline. So there's a lot less exhaust 362 00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:32,080 Speaker 1: going into the atmosphere because you're going three or four 363 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:34,200 Speaker 1: times as far as you used to. And I'm just saying, 364 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:36,200 Speaker 1: what they're doing now has nothing to do with the smog. 365 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:37,760 Speaker 1: It has to do with what people who is the 366 00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:41,240 Speaker 1: warming of the planet. That's what they're doing by trying 367 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:43,200 Speaker 1: to wean us off of gas powered. When I was 368 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:45,159 Speaker 1: trying to get through to him and he knows this, 369 00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:47,280 Speaker 1: that's what pisses me off. It's one thing if it's 370 00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:49,000 Speaker 1: a guy who doesn't know this. He knew exactly what 371 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:51,200 Speaker 1: I was talking about. It doesn't matter what we do 372 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:55,160 Speaker 1: in California. It is overwhelmed a hundred times over by 373 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:57,560 Speaker 1: what they're doing in India and China. So what is 374 00:19:57,640 --> 00:20:00,760 Speaker 1: the point of making poor people pay six dollars a 375 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:05,160 Speaker 1: gallon in California claiming it's to stop global warming when 376 00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:09,960 Speaker 1: China and India are opening up more coal fired plants 377 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:14,000 Speaker 1: than you can even count. Completely overwhelming whatever good work 378 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:17,119 Speaker 1: we're doing here, and he knows that. That's what pisses 379 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:19,960 Speaker 1: me off is these parties in people with their talking 380 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:22,960 Speaker 1: points and they're snarky little comebacks. You know better, You 381 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:25,959 Speaker 1: know what we're doing here has no effect on the atmosphere. 382 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:29,600 Speaker 1: They believe they can win over those countries that they 383 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:33,040 Speaker 1: know they can't. Oh yeah, China gives us the finger, 384 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:34,880 Speaker 1: they know. And as you said, they're trying to lift 385 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:36,600 Speaker 1: a lot of people out of poverty. So they're gonna 386 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:38,360 Speaker 1: go with coal for as long as I have to. Yeah, 387 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:41,280 Speaker 1: you know what, everybody, I always point to that quote promise. 388 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:43,879 Speaker 1: They made it one of the stupid summits where they said, oh, 389 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:46,040 Speaker 1: beginning in the year twenty thirty, we'll start to bring 390 00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:48,840 Speaker 1: down our use of fossil fuels, and that could be 391 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:52,240 Speaker 1: a lie, but it's still eight years away. They You 392 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:54,639 Speaker 1: know what, everybody ought to be sentenced to life in 393 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:59,000 Speaker 1: eighteen fifty seven, before the internal commusson engine, before we 394 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:02,760 Speaker 1: had motorized vehicles, before we had factories. You go back 395 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:04,720 Speaker 1: and live that life and tell me how it was 396 00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:09,399 Speaker 1: because that it pulled us into the modern world and people, 397 00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:18,720 Speaker 1: people in countries without access to fossil fuels were in 398 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:22,679 Speaker 1: such poverty. We're in such backward living conditions. The more 399 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:25,399 Speaker 1: fossil fuels they burn in India, the more people have 400 00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:28,120 Speaker 1: a much better standard of living. The longer they live, 401 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:30,320 Speaker 1: the healthier they are, the better jobs they have, the 402 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:33,600 Speaker 1: better education they have. I'm so sick of this because 403 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:35,960 Speaker 1: all these people know that, all these people know that 404 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:40,440 Speaker 1: burning fossil fuels, more than almost anything, dramatically changed the 405 00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:42,680 Speaker 1: fortunes of the human race on this planet, and it 406 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:46,320 Speaker 1: allowed us to live a much wealthier, healthier, comfortable lifestyle. 407 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:49,280 Speaker 1: All right, Johnny Ken Chung caf I AM six forty 408 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:52,080 Speaker 1: live everywhere in the iHeart Radio app guest after four 409 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:56,240 Speaker 1: o'clock is the other candidate for the governor of California. 410 00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:59,920 Speaker 1: In fact, I just got the thick official voter information 411 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:02,520 Speaker 1: guide in the mail today for this November eight election. 412 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:04,840 Speaker 1: We have our own voter guide that's been put up, 413 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:06,320 Speaker 1: but it's been up there for a few days at 414 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:08,480 Speaker 1: KFI AM six forty dot com. A lot of his 415 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:12,000 Speaker 1: voter guide deals with the seven ballot propositions because there's 416 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 1: a lot of guests and no arguments about them. But 417 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:17,760 Speaker 1: we've given you our opinion on all seven, plus some 418 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:20,479 Speaker 1: other major races around the state and a few locally. 419 00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:23,440 Speaker 1: So go to KFI AM sixty dot com the John 420 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:26,480 Speaker 1: and Kenn voter Guide. Our guest after the News at 421 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:29,520 Speaker 1: four o'clock is Brian Dolly. He's a state senator from 422 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:32,199 Speaker 1: up North. The farmer that's he was from a farming 423 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:36,200 Speaker 1: family and I think as one of the Elsagundo Times 424 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:40,560 Speaker 1: columnists called him a really good guy, but he can't win. Well. Anyway, 425 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:43,639 Speaker 1: we'll talk to him coming up after four o'clock. I 426 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:48,720 Speaker 1: think he's in southern California on a campaign tour. Speaking 427 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:52,200 Speaker 1: of a tour, Old Joe made his way to Florida 428 00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:56,399 Speaker 1: to survey the damage from Hurricane Ian. Of course, one 429 00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:58,520 Speaker 1: of the places he went to was the hard hit 430 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:03,919 Speaker 1: Fort Myers. Fort Myers some sages basically has to be rebuilt. 431 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:07,760 Speaker 1: That's pretty much where the hurricane came to shore about 432 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:10,479 Speaker 1: a week ago, and they got hit bad. There's going 433 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:15,080 Speaker 1: to be a lot of rebuilding. It's necessary. There, Joe 434 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:21,560 Speaker 1: met up with the mayor of Fort Myers. Ray Murphy says, 435 00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:25,159 Speaker 1: it's unclear what the two were chatting about, but we 436 00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:27,840 Speaker 1: have eight seconds of audio to tell you what the 437 00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:37,880 Speaker 1: President apparently said during their conversation. I can't argue that's 438 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:41,320 Speaker 1: exactly right, that's exactly right. So the audio there is 439 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:46,159 Speaker 1: Biden saying, no one f's with the Biden mayor, I 440 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:50,239 Speaker 1: am right. Biden then says, you can't argue with your 441 00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:53,520 Speaker 1: brother outside the house. The mayor says that's exactly right. 442 00:23:54,440 --> 00:24:00,200 Speaker 1: No one fks with the Biden huh. Yeah, And you 443 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:04,640 Speaker 1: can't argue with your brother outside the house. I don't 444 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:06,760 Speaker 1: know what they must be talking about, some personal thing 445 00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:10,680 Speaker 1: that they well, well, it's like you don't have political 446 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:14,240 Speaker 1: fights with your own people in public, like you almost 447 00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:18,040 Speaker 1: show a unified front, and if you have internal problems, 448 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:20,720 Speaker 1: you keep them behind closed doors. I take it this 449 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:23,960 Speaker 1: as a Democrat mayor. I don't know. I don't know 450 00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:28,399 Speaker 1: what they were talking about. No, it's not clear, So 451 00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:30,639 Speaker 1: I don't know who's I don't know who wanted to 452 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:35,000 Speaker 1: f with a Biden. It got him, so yeah, I 453 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:36,760 Speaker 1: kept thinking it had something to do with all of 454 00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:40,639 Speaker 1: hunter Biden's problems, which, by the way, it's almost certain 455 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:42,959 Speaker 1: from everything I'm reading in the polls, and you can 456 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 1: take a look at the history when a precedent, especially 457 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:50,000 Speaker 1: a new one, reaches the mid term elections and their 458 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:53,320 Speaker 1: approval rating is down around forty, which is where Biden's 459 00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:57,720 Speaker 1: had some lower in some polls, that the House flips completely. 460 00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:00,119 Speaker 1: That's happened to the last five precedencies or something one 461 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:04,160 Speaker 1: hundred percent. It's going to happen. It's on the media 462 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:07,000 Speaker 1: went through this raw rob period during August to try 463 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:11,199 Speaker 1: to pump up some life. And yeah, yeah, that's right. 464 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:14,640 Speaker 1: The media. The media is again nothing but public relations 465 00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:17,600 Speaker 1: their shills, their shills, public relationships for the for the 466 00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:19,600 Speaker 1: Democratic Party. So I try to be nice in time 467 00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:21,920 Speaker 1: and just say, oh, they're just wishful thinking. They tried 468 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:23,440 Speaker 1: to think they tried to pump some air in the 469 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:27,720 Speaker 1: deflated condom there, and but I think it's used and 470 00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:31,640 Speaker 1: it's yeah, and here's here's some of the tricks. Read 471 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:33,040 Speaker 1: this the other day, and this was a great point. 472 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:36,560 Speaker 1: I think Jim Garritty wrote about this in the National 473 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:41,200 Speaker 1: National Review. He said, you know, you see all this 474 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:46,000 Speaker 1: commentary on the generic ballot, right, that the public favors 475 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:50,399 Speaker 1: Republicans by two points and a generic congressional ballot, in 476 00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:53,639 Speaker 1: other words, who would you rather elect a Republican or 477 00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:55,840 Speaker 1: a Democrat? Right, And they used that as a general 478 00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:58,760 Speaker 1: guide for which way the election is going to go. Uh. 479 00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:00,959 Speaker 1: And then and then sudden it's like, well, people who 480 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:04,639 Speaker 1: are preferring Democrats by one or two points? He goes, no, no, no, no. 481 00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:09,000 Speaker 1: In the competitive swing districts, that's where you look for 482 00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:15,840 Speaker 1: party preference because the Democratic vote is overloaded, like in 483 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:19,200 Speaker 1: California New York, and it doesn't really matter if candidates 484 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:22,240 Speaker 1: win their district by with sixty percent or ninety percent 485 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:23,959 Speaker 1: of the vote, It doesn't matter. They're still gonna win. 486 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:30,200 Speaker 1: What matters is in all the closer competitive districts, and 487 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:33,280 Speaker 1: that is what you look at to see which way 488 00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:35,680 Speaker 1: Congress is going to go. When you look at the 489 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:39,480 Speaker 1: competitive races, it's clearly going to go Republican easily. When 490 00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:43,159 Speaker 1: you look at it overall ballot, the Democrats run up 491 00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:48,160 Speaker 1: the score in their enclaves. That's right. They could sort 492 00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:51,320 Speaker 1: of win the massive popular vote, but they could lose 493 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:53,320 Speaker 1: a lot of House seats, right and most because in 494 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:54,960 Speaker 1: some of the districts he's have a lot of people 495 00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:58,520 Speaker 1: voting in their heavy Democrats city districts. Yeah, like Alexandria, 496 00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:01,000 Speaker 1: they'll win by like eighty twenty in some of those districts. 497 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:04,359 Speaker 1: Alexandriocastio Cartash is going to win her district, you know, 498 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:08,560 Speaker 1: by sixty points doesn't mean anything. If there's a race 499 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:12,280 Speaker 1: in Nebraska, or race in Pennsylvania, race in Arizona, where 500 00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:14,560 Speaker 1: it's the beauty of the electoral college. Right when it 501 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:16,560 Speaker 1: comes to the presidency as well. You can win the 502 00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:20,240 Speaker 1: popular vote but lose electoral college. So if the Republicans 503 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:22,760 Speaker 1: get the House, and they will, then you're going to 504 00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:24,920 Speaker 1: see all kinds of investigations going on, and one of 505 00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:26,320 Speaker 1: them is going to be in to him. It's gonna 506 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:28,080 Speaker 1: be Hunter Biden. We've already made it clear that's what 507 00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:30,399 Speaker 1: they're gonna spend a lot of time doing. If I 508 00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:32,480 Speaker 1: have the stomach for that, I understand there could be 509 00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:35,520 Speaker 1: some points made, so Fatchy's gonna be bent over that. 510 00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:40,000 Speaker 1: De Santiss and Biden met up today at a press 511 00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:44,000 Speaker 1: briefing in Fort Myers. The one thing Biden said, it's 512 00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:46,960 Speaker 1: like a backhanded the biggest thing the governor has done 513 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,040 Speaker 1: and so many others have done. As they recognize there's 514 00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:52,480 Speaker 1: a thing called global warming, the world is changing. He 515 00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:54,919 Speaker 1: knows how old Biden is, he still calls it global warming, 516 00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:58,600 Speaker 1: and the new Progressives it's just climate change or climate 517 00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:04,479 Speaker 1: disturbance or were bs right? Apparently, Desanta said in twenty eighteen, 518 00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:07,720 Speaker 1: I'm not a global warming person, and in December of 519 00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:09,840 Speaker 1: last year added when people start talking about things like 520 00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:12,280 Speaker 1: global warming, they typically use that as a pretext to 521 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:14,359 Speaker 1: do a bunch of left wing things. This is a 522 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:16,040 Speaker 1: pretty good point. I think that is exact. That's what 523 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:20,000 Speaker 1: happened here in California, because again, nothing they do use 524 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:22,160 Speaker 1: as a pretext to take control of everything, and they 525 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:25,040 Speaker 1: scrup your life. Yeah. Yeah, because you see, if anybody 526 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:27,399 Speaker 1: ever asked to report or Gavin Newsom, how many degrees 527 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:30,879 Speaker 1: has California lowered the atmosphere at the atmospheric temperature with 528 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:33,720 Speaker 1: all their policies for fifteen years, how much cooler is it? 529 00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:38,200 Speaker 1: And it's not not even one millions of a degree cooler. Earlier, 530 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:43,280 Speaker 1: De Santis started yelling about some of the looters in 531 00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:45,959 Speaker 1: Florida Lee County, which is where Fort Myers is got 532 00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:48,200 Speaker 1: hit particularly heard by the hurricane and there was some 533 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:50,800 Speaker 1: looting and some of the suspects arrested were well, wouldn't 534 00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:54,320 Speaker 1: you know it, they were illegal aliens. Des Santa said, 535 00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:56,320 Speaker 1: you know, three of the four are illegal aliens who 536 00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:59,280 Speaker 1: are arrested. And these people they are foreigners. They were 537 00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:01,640 Speaker 1: legally in our country. And not only that, they tried 538 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:05,000 Speaker 1: to Luton Ransack in the aftermath of a natural disaster. 539 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:07,200 Speaker 1: And he called it preventable crime, which is something we 540 00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:11,120 Speaker 1: always mentioned on the show, most of the progressive left 541 00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:13,480 Speaker 1: wing media said, well, we didn't want to demonize. It's 542 00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:17,040 Speaker 1: just a few illegal aliens, but it wouldn't happen. I 543 00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:19,440 Speaker 1: want to demonize all the criminals. I don't care where 544 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:24,640 Speaker 1: they're from. They all should be demonized, stigmatized, they should 545 00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:29,560 Speaker 1: be ostracized, and they should be locked up in prison. 546 00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:33,720 Speaker 1: All right, we're coming up Johnny Ken's show kf I 547 00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:36,520 Speaker 1: am six forty live everywhere in the iHeartRadio app. We'll 548 00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:39,120 Speaker 1: be joined by State Senator Brian Dawley right after the 549 00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:41,600 Speaker 1: news at four o'clock. He is your other candidate on 550 00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:44,560 Speaker 1: the ballot for governor of California. You know, the other 551 00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:47,560 Speaker 1: guy is John that he's running against. Yeah, the guy 552 00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:50,600 Speaker 1: who's responsible for six dollars and fifty cent gas. The 553 00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:53,480 Speaker 1: guy's running for president. Yeah, or thinks he is. Yeah, 554 00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:56,960 Speaker 1: who's running billboards in Texas in Florida, because that's relevant 555 00:29:56,960 --> 00:30:00,640 Speaker 1: to our life. Thank you, Governor. We'll talked to Brian 556 00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:04,040 Speaker 1: Dolly about his campaign. There is a debate between the two. 557 00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:07,640 Speaker 1: Just one coming up later on this month, carried out 558 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:12,880 Speaker 1: by Public Radio. Oh, this is one from the snow 559 00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:17,960 Speaker 1: Flake files. What a big baby that activist that ran 560 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:23,520 Speaker 1: on the field Monday night protesting two men that apparently 561 00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:26,720 Speaker 1: faced charges for stealing baby piglets from a factory farm. 562 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:28,680 Speaker 1: That's why he ran on the field with the pink flare. 563 00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:31,720 Speaker 1: This is the Rams forty nine er game at Levi 564 00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:36,440 Speaker 1: Stadium in Santa Clara and he got leveled by Rams 565 00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:39,400 Speaker 1: linebacker Bobby Wagner stepped in and laid him out with 566 00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:42,640 Speaker 1: a big hit. Everybody remembers that. I could watch that 567 00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:47,239 Speaker 1: every day that Weeny went to the police. He went 568 00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:49,840 Speaker 1: to the Santa Clara Police Department, and you know what, 569 00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:52,760 Speaker 1: be careful here. We could lose Bobby Wagner as a 570 00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:56,120 Speaker 1: player because Santa Clara was the toughest during the lockdowns 571 00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:59,640 Speaker 1: and COVID everything. Yeah, right, because that's where the Farty 572 00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:03,120 Speaker 1: Niners stadium is, Yes, Santa Clara County. That's when they 573 00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:07,120 Speaker 1: made Al Michaels and Chris Consworth wear masks, to wear 574 00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:10,360 Speaker 1: masks game, and al Michaels was so embarrassed. I remember that. Oh, 575 00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:13,040 Speaker 1: I couldn't believe you're wondering what we're doing here wearing masks. 576 00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:17,040 Speaker 1: We've told we have played a home game in Arizona 577 00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:19,680 Speaker 1: because of it. Because of that right they read their operations, 578 00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:24,360 Speaker 1: they got kicked out of the County's crazy there And 579 00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:29,560 Speaker 1: my favorite story always worth repeating, the Santa Clara helped 580 00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:32,120 Speaker 1: Department went after a restaurant for playing music that had 581 00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:36,280 Speaker 1: lyrics that had guys singing because it would encourage pee 582 00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:39,640 Speaker 1: people to sing and spew right while they're eating. While 583 00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:42,080 Speaker 1: they're eating, that was a no no, no music with 584 00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:46,960 Speaker 1: anybody singing in it, just you can just play instrumentals. Geez. 585 00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:50,040 Speaker 1: So apparently this weenies with a group called Direct Action 586 00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:54,600 Speaker 1: Everywhere trying to raise awareness for this trial involving the 587 00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:58,040 Speaker 1: alleged theft of pigs. They were piglets that were taken 588 00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:00,880 Speaker 1: from a factory form. I think it's in Utah. That's 589 00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:03,800 Speaker 1: why he did this. But now he's filed a police 590 00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:08,440 Speaker 1: report for an assault by Wagner. Yeah, and so let's 591 00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:11,680 Speaker 1: see the guy running around in a pink shirt waving 592 00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:15,480 Speaker 1: a pink flair with pink smoke coming out of it. 593 00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:19,160 Speaker 1: She's trespassing you, not a loud on the field. We're 594 00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:23,480 Speaker 1: surprised he's acting like a Wiener filing a police report 595 00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:27,240 Speaker 1: because he got leveled by the football player. That's what 596 00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:32,240 Speaker 1: a blatant assault, says direct action everywhere by two rams players. 597 00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:35,880 Speaker 1: Go ahead, Do they need to go fund me to 598 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:41,400 Speaker 1: pay their legal bills? Because I'd love to start one. Apparently, 599 00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:46,280 Speaker 1: Bobby Wagner said, well, actions have consequences, right, Hey, it's 600 00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:48,640 Speaker 1: a security risk. He was doing the right thing. You 601 00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:51,800 Speaker 1: don't know if these people have weapons on them. All right, 602 00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:54,600 Speaker 1: he already had smoke coming out of his stupid flare 603 00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:58,200 Speaker 1: of the video. There's a member of the security team 604 00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:01,320 Speaker 1: that apparently also got involved in this, and they thought 605 00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:03,240 Speaker 1: he got injured. But apparently they're saying now he is 606 00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:05,200 Speaker 1: the director of security for the forty nine ers and 607 00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:08,280 Speaker 1: he's fine. Wagner thought he may have suffered an injury 608 00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:10,680 Speaker 1: trying to wrestle with this guy. Was he the guy 609 00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:14,680 Speaker 1: wadling after he was the guy running after him? And 610 00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:16,720 Speaker 1: then all of a sudden you see him like basically 611 00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:19,320 Speaker 1: as if he tripped over something imaginary. He just falls 612 00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:21,200 Speaker 1: to the ground. People thought he tore his acl because 613 00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:24,280 Speaker 1: his knee popped or something. Now they say he's fine. 614 00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:27,280 Speaker 1: He's actually their director of security. All those guys in shape. 615 00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:29,760 Speaker 1: He knew this is a people ran out by the 616 00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:32,240 Speaker 1: security guys. I would think the team security guys are 617 00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:34,160 Speaker 1: in shape because they got to handle all the players. Yeah. 618 00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:36,680 Speaker 1: I mean sometimes I see these guys wildling around and 619 00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:41,440 Speaker 1: I wonder they're just there for show. It always amazes me. 620 00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:43,800 Speaker 1: I guess it shouldn't. I mean a guy got up 621 00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:47,000 Speaker 1: on stage and tried to assault was it? Chris Rock 622 00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:50,920 Speaker 1: at the oh knows that other comedian Chapelle Dave Chappelle. Right, 623 00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:53,480 Speaker 1: So these people always find a way. But it's amazing 624 00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:55,040 Speaker 1: to me how many times they get on the field 625 00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:59,360 Speaker 1: because because a lot of security just stand there, they're bored. 626 00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:04,040 Speaker 1: He can't focus like that for four hours. Yeah, yeah, 627 00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:06,440 Speaker 1: I remember at Dodger games, between innings, guy used to 628 00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:08,760 Speaker 1: come down the aisle and turn and face the stands 629 00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:10,760 Speaker 1: and just stare up to make sure nobody comes charging 630 00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:13,000 Speaker 1: on the field. Right and did many of them did 631 00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:14,839 Speaker 1: not look like they'd be able to stop a five 632 00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:18,960 Speaker 1: year old. Well, if you looked at Dsweeny, you think 633 00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:24,279 Speaker 1: smoke bomb. All right, when we come back, we'll have 634 00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:26,719 Speaker 1: a chance to talk to h the other candidate for 635 00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:29,720 Speaker 1: governor of California, the man on your ballot running against 636 00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:32,399 Speaker 1: Gavin Newsom. Maybe unheard of to a lot of people, 637 00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:35,080 Speaker 1: is a state senator from up the North and he's 638 00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:37,520 Speaker 1: actually comes from a farming family. His name is Brian Dolly. 639 00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:40,640 Speaker 1: He'll be our guest next calf I Am six forty 640 00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:43,480 Speaker 1: Live Everywhere on the iHeartRadio app and Deborah Mark Live 641 00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:45,000 Speaker 1: in the twenty four our Cafe and Airs Room.