1 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:07,720 Speaker 1: Hey, this Sanny in Samantha and welcome to stuff. I've 2 00:00:07,760 --> 00:00:09,880 Speaker 1: never told your protection of I heart Adios how stuff First, 3 00:00:19,360 --> 00:00:22,279 Speaker 1: as we record this, listeners, Dragon Con, which is a 4 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:26,320 Speaker 1: convention of all things nerdum that drew over eighty thousand 5 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:30,000 Speaker 1: people last year is coming to Atlanta. It takes place 6 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:33,200 Speaker 1: every Labor Day weekend in the city, taking over five 7 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:36,159 Speaker 1: hotels in Midtown and pretty much everything in that vicinity, 8 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:40,160 Speaker 1: especially Peach Tree Mallum. I've been going for like eight 9 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 1: years now. I've been going for a while, but hilariously 10 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:45,920 Speaker 1: not while I was a student at Georgia Tech, which 11 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 1: is both close and is known as a geek college. 12 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:52,800 Speaker 1: I didn't even know about it. Um. But Samantha and 13 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 1: I will be there um or we were there depending 14 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 1: on when you listen to this, and I will be 15 00:00:57,760 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 1: in costume either as the Winters Soldier of course. Pick 16 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 1: up from How To Train Your Dragon with a Flaming Sword. 17 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:06,760 Speaker 1: It's gonna be cool Spider Woman with perhaps a joke 18 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:11,280 Speaker 1: about like Disney and Sony and being or something. I 19 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:15,560 Speaker 1: don't know, snap judgment with my favorite drunk purchase I've 20 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 1: ever made the fans car right. You figured out that 21 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:20,280 Speaker 1: that one, didn't you. Oh yeah, I went showed up. 22 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:23,319 Speaker 1: I was like, what is this huge box? Oh, it's 23 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:26,600 Speaker 1: an infinite and it's a giant. Of course it is, 24 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 1: of course it is. UM and UM. I have possible 25 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 1: side costumes like Ellie from the Last of Us, UM, 26 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 1: Catwoman from The Dark Night and that series. She's not 27 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 1: in that movie. Don't don't write in about it, UM, 28 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:45,200 Speaker 1: and Hella from thor Ragnarok. I just love like black messy, 29 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:48,160 Speaker 1: I make up. I'm in UM, but come find us. 30 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 1: We might be recording right UM, and I'm gonna be there. 31 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 1: I will not be dressing up. I'm going to be 32 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 1: the person in the corner staring around in awe and 33 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 1: probably disbelief. Yes, I'm gonna assume that's going to be 34 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:00,520 Speaker 1: my reaction because this will be the first one that 35 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 1: I will ever have attended. And the only reason I'm 36 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 1: going is as support an audience for you, essentially and 37 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:10,000 Speaker 1: apparently maybe a backpack carrier. Yeah, because I don't want 38 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 1: to ruin my costume and that's fair and that's fair. 39 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 1: And I'm going to be in the corner with the 40 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:16,400 Speaker 1: recording equipment, hopefully if we can get that in UM 41 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:19,800 Speaker 1: talking to different women, and those who have are dressing 42 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 1: as females I guess essentially, um and see what's going 43 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 1: on in their heads and how they came up with 44 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 1: their costumes. Because I will say the one thing about 45 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:29,800 Speaker 1: dragon Con just going through the parade or even driving 46 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 1: through Atlanta during this time, there's some elaborate costumes and 47 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:36,639 Speaker 1: people put a lot of hard work and a lot 48 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:39,480 Speaker 1: of money in these things. Oh yeah, and that's my 49 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:42,240 Speaker 1: favorite part of of dragon Con is just seeing the 50 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:46,240 Speaker 1: creativity of the costumes. A lot of puns, and you 51 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 1: know I love pun. There's so many puns. Oh yeah, 52 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 1: I've got I got some good pun costs you, I mean, 53 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:57,960 Speaker 1: snap judgment obviously. But we're not only talking about dragon 54 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:00,520 Speaker 1: Con today, although it might come up some We're talking 55 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 1: about the fake geek girl and toxic fandom at large. 56 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:08,720 Speaker 1: And this is something that I do know a lot about, 57 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:12,440 Speaker 1: and we've touched on these topics and a handful of episodes, 58 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 1: but I'm pretty sure, unless my memory and Google is 59 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 1: failing me, we've never done an entire episode on it. 60 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 1: And there is a Fake Geek Girls podcast out there. Yeah, okay, 61 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:30,880 Speaker 1: So definition time geek a person who has excessive enthusiasm 62 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 1: for and some expertise about a specialized subject or activity. Yeah. 63 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 1: I used to have like a debate about like nerd versus. 64 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 1: There was work hierarchy when it came to those types 65 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 1: of Oh, I've been in many arguments about it. People 66 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:49,360 Speaker 1: have their opinions and they're almost always different. And it's 67 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:51,920 Speaker 1: the one that they claim to be is the best one. 68 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:54,000 Speaker 1: I aloys. See. I always a claimed to be the 69 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 1: nerd I'll always call it. Was called a nerd growing 70 00:03:56,280 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 1: up because of my love for books and writing. And 71 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:00,800 Speaker 1: you know, see I was always called a dork because 72 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 1: I feel like a dork is a softer. I don't 73 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 1: know a goof ear. This is all just looked it up. Um, 74 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:13,040 Speaker 1: so we look at fake geek girl. This is a 75 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:17,760 Speaker 1: woman pretending to be nerdy to attract male attention. Uh. 76 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:21,120 Speaker 1: There is no other reason for a woman to like something, right, 77 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:26,280 Speaker 1: I have a specialized Yeah, No, just to attracting. That's 78 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 1: why I do things. Oh yeah, that's my whole goal 79 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:32,920 Speaker 1: in life. Right. Um. Usually they are convenually attractive, these 80 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:37,720 Speaker 1: fake geek girls, because it is a real geek dudes fantasy. 81 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 1: It's a woman entering their boys only clubhouse. So the 82 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 1: only way that these women can exist in there is 83 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:48,039 Speaker 1: by being a sexual object to be enjoyed by them. 84 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:50,960 Speaker 1: And geeks are generally assumed to be men unless the 85 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 1: girl not woman, by the way, is added, that already 86 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 1: makes them an outsider. So like just the fact we 87 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 1: have to specify peak is assumed to be male. Get girl, 88 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:06,000 Speaker 1: you have to like have that label. That means the 89 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:10,360 Speaker 1: masculinity of geek culture is just as policed as jocks 90 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:13,680 Speaker 1: are inside locker rooms, and it is a way for 91 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 1: dudes to blame women for rejection. She's just a fake girl. 92 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:20,160 Speaker 1: And so this fake geek girl is a meme. You've 93 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:23,640 Speaker 1: probably seen it. It's um a white woman, a white 94 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 1: young woman with kind of brown hair, bangs, glasses, and 95 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:32,280 Speaker 1: on her hand she has a nerd written on it. 96 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:35,800 Speaker 1: And that's kind of the meme. You'll see, the fake 97 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:40,039 Speaker 1: eat girl. And it's everywhere. It is everywhere. Scott Snyder's 98 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:42,559 Speaker 1: Batman number thirteen had an ad with a woman wearing 99 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:46,120 Speaker 1: a shirt that said impostor on the front, and the 100 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:48,800 Speaker 1: speech bubble said, I basically spend like all day looking 101 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 1: at low cats on Facebook. I'm such a huge nerd. 102 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 1: Then there's Dirk Manning's who is a comic writer. He 103 00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:58,480 Speaker 1: has this Facebook post that said, dear girls who take 104 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 1: pictures in slutty cooling and glass has in labeled the 105 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:03,160 Speaker 1: caption nerd l O L. You're not a nerd, You're 106 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:06,720 Speaker 1: a whore who found classes. An angry man he does. 107 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:11,800 Speaker 1: There's no need for that. Unnecessary. We've got another angry man, 108 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:16,680 Speaker 1: another angry man. There are favorites. Okay, this is from 109 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 1: Tony Harris and it's long, so I'm gonna read it. 110 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:22,960 Speaker 1: I can't remember if I said this before, but I'm 111 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 1: gonna say it anyway. I don't give a crap. I 112 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:27,839 Speaker 1: appreciate a pretty gal as much as the next hetero male. 113 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 1: Sometimes I even go in for some racy type stuff, 114 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 1: keeping the comments PG for my lady's sake. But damn it, 115 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 1: damn it, damn it. I am so sick and tired 116 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:40,320 Speaker 1: of the whole cosplay chicks. I know a few who 117 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:44,600 Speaker 1: are actually pretty cool and big shocker, love and read comics, 118 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 1: so as in all things, they are the exception to 119 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:49,760 Speaker 1: the rule. Here's the statement I want to make based 120 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:53,440 Speaker 1: on the rule. Hey, quasi pretty not hot girl, you 121 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:56,919 Speaker 1: are more pathetic than the real nerds, who you secretly 122 00:06:56,960 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 1: think are really pathetic. But we are onto you. Some 123 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 1: of us are aware that you are ever so average 124 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:06,240 Speaker 1: on an everyday basis, but you have a couple of 125 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:11,680 Speaker 1: things going your way. You're willing to become almost completely 126 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 1: naked in public, and you're either skinny, will some or 127 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 1: most of you think that you are, Or you have 128 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 1: big boobies. Notice I didn't say great boobies. You are 129 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:26,200 Speaker 1: what I refer to as con hot. Well, not by 130 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 1: my estimation, but according to a lot of average comic 131 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:32,679 Speaker 1: book fans who either rarely speak to or never speak 132 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 1: to girls, some virgins, all unconfident when it comes to girls, 133 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:39,400 Speaker 1: and the one thing they all have in common, they 134 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:42,960 Speaker 1: are being preyed on by you. You have this really 135 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:45,000 Speaker 1: awful need for attention, for people to tell you you 136 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:47,640 Speaker 1: are pretty or hot, and the thought of guys pleasuring 137 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:50,440 Speaker 1: themselves to the memory of you hagging on them with 138 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 1: your glossy open lips promising them the moon and the 139 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 1: stars of pleasure just makes your head vibrate. After many 140 00:07:57,400 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 1: years of watching this go down, every three second, it's 141 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:02,440 Speaker 1: around in front of my booth or table at any 142 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 1: given con in this country. I put this together, well, 143 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:08,160 Speaker 1: not just me, we are legion and here it is 144 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:11,120 Speaker 1: the reason why all that sickens as because you don't 145 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 1: know about comics beyond whatever Google image search you did 146 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 1: to get reference on the most mainstream character with the 147 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:22,120 Speaker 1: most revealing costume ever. And also, if any of these 148 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 1: guys that you hang on tried to talk to you 149 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 1: out of the con, you wouldn't give them the same 150 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 1: time of day. Shut up, you damned lyar No, you 151 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:33,520 Speaker 1: would not, lying, liar face. You're not comics. You're just 152 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 1: the thing that all the comic book and mainstream press 153 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 1: flocked two at cons. And the real reason for the 154 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 1: con and the damned costumes you're preading around in that 155 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 1: would be comic book artists and comic book writers who 156 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:47,720 Speaker 1: make all that up. Okay, why is she so angry? 157 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 1: Why isn't he just letting it go? And hey, even 158 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:54,319 Speaker 1: if that is the case, you're getting publicity. Move on, man, 159 00:08:56,160 --> 00:08:58,800 Speaker 1: you should just send him a note. Man, you sound 160 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:01,280 Speaker 1: sad and you sell You've been rejected a lot. But 161 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:03,560 Speaker 1: I'm probably gonna get docs just for saying this, because 162 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:06,600 Speaker 1: I'm sure he's somebody's hero who is really sad and lonely, 163 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:08,400 Speaker 1: as he said, and it's like, oh, you're staying up 164 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:10,800 Speaker 1: for all men. Good job. I don't know how to 165 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 1: stay that would. Sit down, Calm down, You're insignificant. If 166 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 1: this is what you have to rant about, this is 167 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:22,200 Speaker 1: your issue in life, just sit down. Yeah, it'll be okay, dude. 168 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:24,840 Speaker 1: Just they're pretty, move all. You know. You don't have 169 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:26,560 Speaker 1: to compliment them. You don't even have to look at 170 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:28,920 Speaker 1: that costume. You don't have any of those things. They 171 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 1: don't have to exist for you. It's fine. Just let 172 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 1: them be. Are you so sad and lonely? Samantha's turned 173 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:37,560 Speaker 1: this around on you, sir. I'm just saying it's gonna 174 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:43,320 Speaker 1: be okay. Boo, book will be okay. And then there's 175 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 1: Joe Peacock, who wrote there's a growing chorus of frustration 176 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 1: in the geek community with and there's no other way 177 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:51,960 Speaker 1: to put this. Pretty girls pretending to be geeks for attention. 178 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:54,559 Speaker 1: San Diego Comic Con is the largest vehicle, but it's 179 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 1: hardly the only convention populated with quote, hot chicks wearing 180 00:09:57,960 --> 00:10:00,040 Speaker 1: skimpy outfits simply to get a bunch of golf and 181 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:04,200 Speaker 1: geeks heads to turn just to satisfy their hollow egos. Okay, 182 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:07,959 Speaker 1: I'm so seriously confused about why they are so upset 183 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:13,600 Speaker 1: about pretty girls. Oh well, they're upset about pretty girls 184 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:16,040 Speaker 1: existing in their space and not being sexual objects just 185 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 1: for them to consume. Well, it's that in part too. 186 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:25,120 Speaker 1: There's this sense of if you were a child and 187 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:28,440 Speaker 1: being a nerd was not cool and you got beat 188 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 1: up for it, perhaps that you had to go through 189 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:35,080 Speaker 1: this stuff and it's like an exclusive club. And now 190 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:37,520 Speaker 1: people are just in their minds they just look good. 191 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:40,160 Speaker 1: Don't understand it coming into our world. So is the 192 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:42,920 Speaker 1: whole world of I'll listen to them before they're popular. 193 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:46,120 Speaker 1: I like this before they were cool mentality. Yeah, and 194 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:49,959 Speaker 1: there's definite gate keeping and entitlement and we're going to 195 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:51,880 Speaker 1: talk about some of this more later. And also just 196 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:57,800 Speaker 1: um a geek anything that depends on expertise, to like 197 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:00,319 Speaker 1: your credentials of how much of a gee q r 198 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 1: depends on how much you know about a certain thing, 199 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 1: then they're automatically with that is a level of judgment 200 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:09,120 Speaker 1: of thinking. I can understand it. They're upset because someone 201 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:11,760 Speaker 1: else is making money on something they didn't dedicate themselves too. 202 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:17,760 Speaker 1: But just enjoying it. Yeah, it seems kind of harsh. Well. 203 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:21,320 Speaker 1: And also, and we mentioned this a little bit, in 204 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:27,800 Speaker 1: fan fiction, there is a people look down on how 205 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:32,840 Speaker 1: women more traditionally celebrate fandom, like writing fan fiction or 206 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:36,160 Speaker 1: making costumes, because if you look at arts and crafts, 207 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:38,760 Speaker 1: who are more likely to engage in that it is women. 208 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:43,840 Speaker 1: So women are making these costumes, and some of these 209 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:46,840 Speaker 1: men are looking down on that as that it is 210 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 1: not true fandom, that is not true nerdom? How dare they? 211 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:55,680 Speaker 1: How dare they? And who agrees is Dr nerd Love, 212 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:59,360 Speaker 1: who responded being sexy as great, as long as you've 213 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 1: passed this ideological test that shows that you are indeed 214 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:05,079 Speaker 1: a true geek and not one of those hideous posers. 215 00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 1: I'm sure Peacock, who is the person whose comments we've 216 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:10,160 Speaker 1: just read, I'm sure Peacock means well, But what he 217 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:13,000 Speaker 1: is saying is, ladies, you're only allowed to express yourself 218 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:16,560 Speaker 1: sexually if you follow my rules. This is continuing the 219 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:19,640 Speaker 1: long running attitudes still prevalent in geek culture that women 220 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:22,160 Speaker 1: are allowed to partake in fandom and geek culture if 221 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 1: and only if they fulfill specific criteria, and even then 222 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:29,720 Speaker 1: only if they participate in preapproved manners. The fake geek 223 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:33,080 Speaker 1: girl is the nerd equivalent of the welfare queen, a 224 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:38,120 Speaker 1: semi mythical beast who somehow ruins things for everybody by well, 225 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 1: nobody's entirely sure, confusing their poor sad boners. Evidently nobody 226 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:46,320 Speaker 1: has ever been able to explain, to my satisfaction just 227 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:49,240 Speaker 1: how this hurts geek culture. Somebody dressing up in a 228 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:52,120 Speaker 1: sexy costume because being ogle makes them feel good doesn't 229 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:55,200 Speaker 1: affect me or my friends participation in geek culture in 230 00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:58,280 Speaker 1: any meaningful way. Putting the blame on these fake geek 231 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:01,040 Speaker 1: attention grabbers for narrowly to finding the role of women 232 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:03,640 Speaker 1: and keepdom only serves to resolve the men who act 233 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:07,760 Speaker 1: as gatekeepers, insisting that the only role open to women 234 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:10,360 Speaker 1: is to be a sexual object rather than a full partner, 235 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:13,480 Speaker 1: while denigrating them for doing so. At the exact same time, 236 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:16,439 Speaker 1: the idea of the fake geek girl only serves as 237 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:19,200 Speaker 1: a way of dismissing or diminishing the presence of women 238 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:22,400 Speaker 1: and keepdom. If she doesn't conform to some arbitrary standard, 239 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:24,960 Speaker 1: she's clearly a fake, only in it for the attention, 240 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:27,920 Speaker 1: Because if there's anything women do. It's been hours upon 241 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:30,800 Speaker 1: hours of time and effort just a ryle dudes up 242 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 1: with absolutely no payoff. That's what I'm doing here, isn't 243 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:39,320 Speaker 1: that what you're doing here? Yeah? I love rolling dudes up. Yeah, 244 00:13:39,679 --> 00:13:44,400 Speaker 1: never mind, never mind, never mind about that. Um. And 245 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:50,559 Speaker 1: So from my personal experience being in costumes at conventions, 246 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:52,240 Speaker 1: I've had men come up to me and quiz me, 247 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:54,640 Speaker 1: for sure, how much do you know about this character? 248 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 1: Do you know every Russian word that sets off the 249 00:13:56,840 --> 00:13:59,880 Speaker 1: winners soldier? Can you do them for me? Um? I 250 00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:03,720 Speaker 1: can do. I can do what I would assume is 251 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:06,480 Speaker 1: not very great Russian pronunciation, but I know the general 252 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:10,079 Speaker 1: sounds have more. I'm like, I'm more, not more impressed, 253 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:13,040 Speaker 1: but I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah, of course you wouldn't know. 254 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:16,559 Speaker 1: Of course you're annie, of course you wouldn't know. I 255 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:19,440 Speaker 1: have watched Winter Soldiers several several times. I almost watched 256 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:22,200 Speaker 1: it last night. I couldn't because you weren't there. We 257 00:14:22,280 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 1: gotta wait, we gotta do it together. Men ask if 258 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:27,720 Speaker 1: they can pose with me in sexy ways, take pictures 259 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:29,920 Speaker 1: where I'm in like some kind of sexy pose, like 260 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:32,400 Speaker 1: holding my breasts are making out or carrying me on 261 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:35,200 Speaker 1: their shoulder. Um. I've had men accused me of knowing 262 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 1: nothing about the character I was dressed as. Men say, 263 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:41,120 Speaker 1: um that they see me every year and they know 264 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:46,560 Speaker 1: quote exactly what I'm doing. What I don't know, they 265 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:50,560 Speaker 1: know I don't know. I'm just trying to have fun here. 266 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:53,840 Speaker 1: On the other side of the spectrum, I've had men 267 00:14:53,960 --> 00:14:59,360 Speaker 1: act offensively impressed that I know literally anything about nerd 268 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:02,760 Speaker 1: um and immediately act as though we must have sex immediately. 269 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:07,040 Speaker 1: We've we've got a date. We were soulmates, obviously. Um. 270 00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 1: The first year I went there, an old man bought 271 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:11,080 Speaker 1: me a bud light. The first year I went to 272 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:12,640 Speaker 1: drink on and then asked me up to his hotel 273 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 1: room a bud light. A bud light. That's not that's 274 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:16,560 Speaker 1: not the drink to go to to be like, Hey, 275 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 1: come hang with me in my hotel room. And I'm 276 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:21,240 Speaker 1: so oblivious. I was just thrilled at a free beer 277 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 1: that I saw someone else before. Look, if you're gonna 278 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:27,920 Speaker 1: buy me a beer, I'm gonna move on. Like that's 279 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:31,360 Speaker 1: not a promise, that's as you being dumb. Future episode. 280 00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:34,320 Speaker 1: I actually want to re examine that because I've always 281 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:39,160 Speaker 1: kind of been torn on what to do anyway. Okay, UM, 282 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:41,040 Speaker 1: all kinds of one want to touching. We've done episodes 283 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:44,400 Speaker 1: about that, and you've probably heard it in the news. UM, 284 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:46,200 Speaker 1: and the attitude that since you're dressed up as a 285 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:49,720 Speaker 1: certain character is totally cool, like you're no longer human anymore. 286 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:52,000 Speaker 1: They're this rendering of a character that they have an 287 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:55,160 Speaker 1: idea about. UM. Or sometimes they think it's just funny, 288 00:15:55,280 --> 00:15:58,440 Speaker 1: especially because I gender been so I'm usually dressed as 289 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:02,840 Speaker 1: like a female version of a male character, so a 290 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:07,680 Speaker 1: lot of dudes think that's hilarious. Um. I've had cops 291 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:11,200 Speaker 1: make inappropriate comments and asked me out when I'm dressed 292 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:13,560 Speaker 1: in costume, and we have literally not said anything to 293 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:15,120 Speaker 1: each other. It just comes up. You know what, I'd 294 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:19,000 Speaker 1: like take you out on date, No, sir, No sir. 295 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:24,360 Speaker 1: UM and Smith and I at our upcoming convention, we're 296 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:27,080 Speaker 1: gonna take a tally of how many sexist comments the 297 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:30,680 Speaker 1: receiver over here. We're gonna do a little survey find 298 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:32,560 Speaker 1: out how prevalent that is. Because last year they did 299 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:34,800 Speaker 1: have an incident UM, and they actually had a video 300 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:36,920 Speaker 1: I think of a woman being accosted and they were 301 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:39,480 Speaker 1: trying to find this man at Dragon Con. So I 302 00:16:39,520 --> 00:16:41,680 Speaker 1: know that people have become a little more aware of 303 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:46,720 Speaker 1: what's happening and how inappropriate this is. I have certainly 304 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:49,120 Speaker 1: observed so much sexism at cons and it is certainly 305 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:51,800 Speaker 1: deterred some of my friends from going. And I have 306 00:16:51,880 --> 00:16:56,640 Speaker 1: seen women judge women dressed for too sexy, for essentially 307 00:16:56,640 --> 00:16:59,480 Speaker 1: being fakey girls. I have friends of mine that used 308 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:02,120 Speaker 1: to do that before they grew up and realized the 309 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:04,639 Speaker 1: error of their ways, right, But I've seen women do it. 310 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:07,440 Speaker 1: That's the things like I Again, I know I've said 311 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:09,680 Speaker 1: repeatedly one of the reasons I don't go to convention 312 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:12,480 Speaker 1: like this as an Asian woman, there's a whole level 313 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:16,439 Speaker 1: of fetishism that happens already. So when you go into 314 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:18,800 Speaker 1: and for me, even though there's so many other things 315 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:21,160 Speaker 1: that Dragon Con, animal is one of the first things 316 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:24,480 Speaker 1: I think of, and that's typically one of the right 317 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 1: you know, I was like, oh no, oh no, no, 318 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:28,879 Speaker 1: we can't hang out if you're obsessed. It's one thing 319 00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:30,280 Speaker 1: to have an interest, and it's the one thing to 320 00:17:30,359 --> 00:17:32,320 Speaker 1: like it. But to me, there's a whole level of 321 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:35,440 Speaker 1: why you want to talk to me right, So that 322 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:37,560 Speaker 1: to me, like, even though I think it's getting less 323 00:17:37,520 --> 00:17:39,960 Speaker 1: and less, but if that is just still very very 324 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:43,760 Speaker 1: very existent, I definitely get asked out based on me 325 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:47,920 Speaker 1: being Asian and now my sexy voice just getting app um. 326 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:49,600 Speaker 1: But I'm just like, that's one of the reasons I 327 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:51,840 Speaker 1: stay away, far far away, and I typically don't dress up. 328 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:53,320 Speaker 1: If I dressed up, it's going to be a funny 329 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:58,120 Speaker 1: character then a sexy character typically for me. Yeah, and 330 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:03,000 Speaker 1: caveat here. I do normally have a pretty good experience. 331 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:05,959 Speaker 1: This is making it sound horrible, but I want to 332 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:08,360 Speaker 1: say this. All of this stuff happens to me when 333 00:18:08,359 --> 00:18:12,320 Speaker 1: I'm alone. Um, I think when we're together, I'm not 334 00:18:12,359 --> 00:18:14,160 Speaker 1: sure that this is going to happen. Well, it's kind 335 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:16,000 Speaker 1: of like that pack mentality, and I'm sure, Well we 336 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:18,439 Speaker 1: could go into that later on, but men have this 337 00:18:19,080 --> 00:18:21,440 Speaker 1: thing about women being alone versus being in a pack. 338 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:25,159 Speaker 1: But sometimes it doesn't even determine in general, especially if 339 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:27,000 Speaker 1: there's a male in the group, then that kind of 340 00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:29,159 Speaker 1: like or someone of the opposite sex or someone of 341 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:32,600 Speaker 1: different sex that that just kind of pulled everything apart 342 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:39,480 Speaker 1: for the right pray versus predator mentality. But it kind 343 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:42,280 Speaker 1: of is. So Yeah, I could definitely say, especially at 344 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:44,960 Speaker 1: these types of conferences, if you're not with a group, 345 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:49,080 Speaker 1: that obviously means you need friends quote unquote yeah, m hmm. 346 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:51,520 Speaker 1: Look at that lonely winter soldier. I think I'll go 347 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:55,119 Speaker 1: up and harass her. That's what I think every time. Yeah. Sure. 348 00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:58,320 Speaker 1: And another thing i want to add in here is 349 00:18:58,359 --> 00:19:01,800 Speaker 1: something that I've only started to think about after being 350 00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:06,560 Speaker 1: on this show is being feminist and wearing costumes that 351 00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:08,840 Speaker 1: were designed with the male gaze of minds, so sexy 352 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:13,920 Speaker 1: costumes and feeling conflict about it, especially when there are 353 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:17,800 Speaker 1: young children around. Because it's one thing I've said it before. 354 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:20,600 Speaker 1: I love dressing up in sexy costumes every now that 355 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:22,359 Speaker 1: not all the times, sometimes I'm not in the place, 356 00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:26,560 Speaker 1: but sometimes feeling it. I do it for myself, but 357 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:29,880 Speaker 1: I don't think it's perceived that way because our society 358 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:31,640 Speaker 1: has not set it up to be perceived that way 359 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:34,040 Speaker 1: for so long. So I worry that kids see that 360 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:37,520 Speaker 1: perception as opposed to just the strong woman who wants 361 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:40,399 Speaker 1: to dress sexy. Um. So that's in the back of 362 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:42,600 Speaker 1: my head now too. That's something I think about. Well, 363 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:45,080 Speaker 1: if you think about old comics and the characters and 364 00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:48,439 Speaker 1: the way women were drawn in general, they're like what 365 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:53,880 Speaker 1: the hell they're wearing? And now today's translations into our 366 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:56,159 Speaker 1: movie in you know, Wonder Woman, it's kind of like 367 00:19:56,200 --> 00:20:00,400 Speaker 1: that fine balance. And that's another thing that I hope 368 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:02,240 Speaker 1: we'll get to come back to because a lot of 369 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:05,159 Speaker 1: people have written about it, is why is it that 370 00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:11,560 Speaker 1: women when during Halloween say they it's become like sexy costumes? 371 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:14,639 Speaker 1: And I think I subscribe to the mean girls theory. 372 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:17,840 Speaker 1: That is because we're judged so harshly any other time 373 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:19,960 Speaker 1: for dressing sexy, So it's like the one time we 374 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:21,959 Speaker 1: feel like we can. But there's a lot of other 375 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:24,240 Speaker 1: stuff at play. I haven't done the research yet, so 376 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:27,040 Speaker 1: if you disagree, please don't yell at me quite yet. 377 00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:30,439 Speaker 1: But that's something that we'll returned to me. He's just 378 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:33,840 Speaker 1: wearing all black with some kind of animal ears. That's 379 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:38,280 Speaker 1: the best way to go that you're wearing all black 380 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:41,840 Speaker 1: and then cattiers. Well, I did rabbit ears one year. 381 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:45,520 Speaker 1: Comfort is key. Yes, comfort is key. So why does 382 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:50,359 Speaker 1: this whole fake girl thing exist? Well? Has always for 383 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:53,680 Speaker 1: a couple of reasons. One nerd Um has long been 384 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:56,720 Speaker 1: seen as a male alternative for being traditionally a male. 385 00:20:56,800 --> 00:21:00,919 Speaker 1: So it's the alternative if you're not that buff, strong 386 00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:03,359 Speaker 1: dude that is, you know, when we think of the 387 00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:07,480 Speaker 1: most masculine, manly man, that's the image, the sports jock 388 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:11,200 Speaker 1: type thing. So nerd m has been the alternative to that. 389 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:14,840 Speaker 1: And in our movies we see it all the time. 390 00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:17,240 Speaker 1: You got the jocks and the nerds, and the nerds 391 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:21,120 Speaker 1: always get the girl. They're entitled to the girl because 392 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:25,400 Speaker 1: the male dude wrote it and that's what they think. Um. 393 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:28,480 Speaker 1: Having knowledge, being a nerd was another way to be competent. 394 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:32,600 Speaker 1: So if a woman started doing this, then does that 395 00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:37,920 Speaker 1: mean nerd them is less manly or nerds are only 396 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:41,480 Speaker 1: passing as men? And or if it is defined on 397 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:44,040 Speaker 1: how much you know, then it fosters gatekeeping, like we said, 398 00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:47,080 Speaker 1: And men have traditionally done this gatekeeping, and women who 399 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:49,720 Speaker 1: got past that frequently had to give up a part 400 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:52,800 Speaker 1: of their identity to do so, so be a less feminine, 401 00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:56,680 Speaker 1: not this pretty fake geek girl. Um. So it can 402 00:21:56,680 --> 00:22:00,600 Speaker 1: be easy to lash out against people women in in 403 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:02,960 Speaker 1: this scenario that didn't give up a part of their 404 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:07,920 Speaker 1: identity in our eyes. Um, like you have to do that. 405 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:13,440 Speaker 1: Fans of something see it as part of their identity. Hardcore. 406 00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:17,439 Speaker 1: It is hardcore, but it doesn't have to be there different. 407 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:22,159 Speaker 1: There are different levels of fandom. And like I said earlier, 408 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:23,720 Speaker 1: I think a part of it too is that nerdom 409 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:26,160 Speaker 1: used to come with this rite of passage of getting 410 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:28,919 Speaker 1: beat up or being isolated. So when you see someone 411 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:31,360 Speaker 1: who you think didn't have to go through that using 412 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:34,560 Speaker 1: the label you used to find solace or to find 413 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:38,480 Speaker 1: people like you to feel us alone, then you might 414 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:40,240 Speaker 1: want to lash out. And I know we read something 415 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:43,240 Speaker 1: about that in our I think our Star Wars episode 416 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:48,200 Speaker 1: about toxic fandom. Um, but I can't I can never 417 00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:50,399 Speaker 1: find it. But I know John evers a bit where 418 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:53,600 Speaker 1: he says, nerds, you've inherited the earth. It's over. Well, 419 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:55,159 Speaker 1: that's kind of a new joke as how, that's kind 420 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:58,320 Speaker 1: of Um. I think it was the silly movie with 421 00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:03,280 Speaker 1: Jonah Hill and Channing Tatum, the Little Cup Movie. Yeah, 422 00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:07,040 Speaker 1: and then they go they go back to school, but 423 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:09,159 Speaker 1: the roles of a reverse and now Joan is the 424 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:11,159 Speaker 1: cool kid who was the nerd in high school and 425 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:13,600 Speaker 1: got beat up and the jock was always now is 426 00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:16,520 Speaker 1: being made fun of, which is Chane Tatum Yeater like 427 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:18,720 Speaker 1: it does the flip and then like although in the 428 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:22,359 Speaker 1: early nineties late eighties, the Nerds had their own franchise, 429 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:24,760 Speaker 1: The Revenge of the Nerds. I know it was a 430 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:26,919 Speaker 1: whole it was really creepy movie too. It was terrible. 431 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:28,840 Speaker 1: It was really awful, But they had a whole franchise 432 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:32,159 Speaker 1: based on we will of course he's nerds, really buff Nerds. 433 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:34,800 Speaker 1: It was really weird to me. But yeah, stuff like 434 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:37,720 Speaker 1: that has become a part of like the flip of 435 00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:42,199 Speaker 1: the script of mentality. And as I said, there are 436 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:45,720 Speaker 1: different levels of fandom, so that's a totally okay thing. 437 00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:48,320 Speaker 1: Some of us are we're all in. Some of us 438 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:51,720 Speaker 1: are casual, and it differs from fandom to fandom. And 439 00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:54,960 Speaker 1: I personally don't understand gate keeping and shutting people out 440 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:57,000 Speaker 1: from fandoms that we love. I feel like I want 441 00:23:57,040 --> 00:23:59,159 Speaker 1: to share it with everybody. I think you do that 442 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:01,920 Speaker 1: really well, which is also why I've been watching Supernatural. 443 00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:04,840 Speaker 1: It was because of you. Essentially, you talked about it 444 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:07,400 Speaker 1: enough I went, cool, I'll get it. Because I am 445 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 1: a maybe they would call me a poser because I 446 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:13,200 Speaker 1: enjoy it. I know about it, but I'm not gonna 447 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:17,160 Speaker 1: go all the way into that. That's your level, that's 448 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:19,320 Speaker 1: my levels. Like I will I like all the Captain 449 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:21,720 Speaker 1: Marvel movies. I will watch them, and I will not 450 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:26,600 Speaker 1: watch them ten times in a week. Annie, I don't know, Samantha. 451 00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:29,359 Speaker 1: Just let me be a little bit more persuasive. I 452 00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:32,040 Speaker 1: gets here and there, but like things like that, I 453 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:34,280 Speaker 1: won't be standing in line for four hours to go 454 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:38,879 Speaker 1: ride a Hagrid ride. Well occasion to do it, you 455 00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:40,680 Speaker 1: would have been able to walk right on. So think 456 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:46,200 Speaker 1: about that. I was there, and I love the new 457 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:47,679 Speaker 1: text that I get from you to show me the 458 00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:51,480 Speaker 1: way times of the Hagrid ride, even though we're nowhere 459 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:58,160 Speaker 1: near Every morning I checked got down to two hours 460 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:00,800 Speaker 1: that one fifty, I was like, oh god, she's gonna 461 00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:02,640 Speaker 1: get on a plane, like she's gonna try to get 462 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:05,760 Speaker 1: there now. Um. But yeah, I definitely am one of those. 463 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:09,200 Speaker 1: But yeah, I could definitely. I definitely see the dedication 464 00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:11,840 Speaker 1: and people when you start seeing message boards and actually 465 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:14,959 Speaker 1: seeing like icons people use that what there are pictures 466 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:19,240 Speaker 1: profile pictures of whatever character they're in love with. It's 467 00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:23,960 Speaker 1: pretty fascinating. Oh absolutely, I totally agree, and it's I 468 00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:29,280 Speaker 1: love the creativity of the costumes, and part of that 469 00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:35,560 Speaker 1: like the crafting, as we said that that's predominantly female. Um, 470 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:39,200 Speaker 1: but the creativity of it and just seeing the puns 471 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:41,720 Speaker 1: people come up with, just how impressive something is, and 472 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:44,000 Speaker 1: it takes time and it takes money. You can do 473 00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:47,840 Speaker 1: it cheaply, but it can be very expensive. And to 474 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:52,720 Speaker 1: just dismiss that as this isn't real fandom, right, that 475 00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:54,960 Speaker 1: doesn't make any sense. A little research alone to get 476 00:25:55,000 --> 00:26:00,520 Speaker 1: the precision people's the details on these people's costumes are amazing. 477 00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:05,800 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and they might even be sexy. How dare 478 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:09,600 Speaker 1: you I guess someone going to a sexy Panos? I 479 00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:13,040 Speaker 1: guarante last year, one of the costumes I remember the most, 480 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:16,320 Speaker 1: and I apologize in advance, was a sexy Penny Wise, 481 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:22,040 Speaker 1: which I just saw that movie. It was a really 482 00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:24,040 Speaker 1: good which, by the way, I know this has nothing 483 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:26,040 Speaker 1: to do with this, but that whole scene with him 484 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:29,040 Speaker 1: being in the room full of the figurines and of clowns, 485 00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:31,480 Speaker 1: That's what I'm talking about. That's what I'm scared of. 486 00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:37,720 Speaker 1: That Savantha's very specific fear they came to life. Well, okay, 487 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:39,240 Speaker 1: I'll keep that in mind. I'll try to get better 488 00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:47,120 Speaker 1: about warning you about statues that's whatever they are. Um, yeah, 489 00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:51,080 Speaker 1: I just I'm not down with this looking I'm not 490 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:54,119 Speaker 1: down with looking down on how other people express their 491 00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:58,119 Speaker 1: fandom as long as it's not hurting anybody else. I 492 00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:00,520 Speaker 1: don't get it. I think that's the mantra, doesn't bother 493 00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:03,320 Speaker 1: you if it's not actually physically taking away a right 494 00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:10,160 Speaker 1: or happiness or something that's actually then why then why why? 495 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:12,280 Speaker 1: And also, women have always been geeks. Just want to 496 00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:14,760 Speaker 1: put that out there throughout history. I know Mary Shelley 497 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:18,639 Speaker 1: isn't an example of one of the first geeks. Um, 498 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:21,879 Speaker 1: we're just more visible now and we're taking up space 499 00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:24,760 Speaker 1: and people don't like And also people are actually acknowledging 500 00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:29,760 Speaker 1: that yes, as a thing. We have some more for 501 00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:33,120 Speaker 1: you on toxic fandom, but first we have a quick 502 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:48,360 Speaker 1: break for word from our sponsors, and we're back. Thank 503 00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:52,640 Speaker 1: you sponsored. So, toxic fandom. This has been thrown about 504 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:55,800 Speaker 1: our vernacular a lot lately, and it's made up of 505 00:27:55,880 --> 00:28:02,239 Speaker 1: three things. Essentially, entitlement, a feeling of superior priority and possessiveness. 506 00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:05,480 Speaker 1: If that fandom has been traditionally white and male, then 507 00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:08,639 Speaker 1: anything outside of that that that messes with this sense 508 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:12,680 Speaker 1: of possessiveness, and it's not limited to nerdy things at all. 509 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:17,159 Speaker 1: Music is another another big one, like K pop. I 510 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:19,280 Speaker 1: know that's come out the example of how female singers 511 00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:22,320 Speaker 1: can't date because the fans are so possessive. It's like 512 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:26,000 Speaker 1: an old school back throwback when actors we're not allowed 513 00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:27,920 Speaker 1: to share anything about the private lab and had to 514 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:31,720 Speaker 1: pretend like they are always open. We're never in a 515 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:34,520 Speaker 1: relationship and single, right. I heard that rumor kind of 516 00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:37,760 Speaker 1: around Taylor Swift for a while, like I know, like, 517 00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:40,120 Speaker 1: but then they get really possessive in the sense of 518 00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:43,160 Speaker 1: Justin Bieber when he and Selena Gomez broke up and 519 00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:46,400 Speaker 1: he got married, they started going after his wife like mean, 520 00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:49,760 Speaker 1: because they just it should have been this other woman. 521 00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:52,360 Speaker 1: And you're just gonna like, damn me all let them 522 00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:54,720 Speaker 1: live their lives. Why. I get it. If you don't 523 00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:57,600 Speaker 1: like his music, sure, if he's a dick, sure, but 524 00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:01,360 Speaker 1: because he married someone else that level, and then we 525 00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:06,640 Speaker 1: know the hive will come after you. M They these 526 00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:11,840 Speaker 1: people are really scary. They're they're very passionate, and they're 527 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:16,680 Speaker 1: very passionate. Yes, and and some of these uh, celebrities 528 00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:18,640 Speaker 1: have had to address their fan base and say I 529 00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:23,280 Speaker 1: will not tolerate this type of behavior. You're right. Um. 530 00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:26,360 Speaker 1: And if we go back to entitlement that comes with 531 00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:30,360 Speaker 1: a sense of ownership. Um, this might involve death threats 532 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:33,000 Speaker 1: to the creator if things don't go the way that 533 00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:38,520 Speaker 1: the fan thinks that it should. Game of Thrones, Yeah, 534 00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:43,320 Speaker 1: the petitions see that fairly often, actually, and I hear 535 00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:45,920 Speaker 1: it with any kind of ending. People don't like, oh 536 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:48,520 Speaker 1: my gosh, but they make things happen, like the Veronica 537 00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:53,280 Speaker 1: Malar stuff. Well, that's an example of good fandom, although 538 00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:57,280 Speaker 1: that does come with the double edged sort of then 539 00:29:57,320 --> 00:29:59,240 Speaker 1: you feel like you have to do fan service because 540 00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:03,080 Speaker 1: they essentially made it happen, which Christen Bell actually she 541 00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:06,239 Speaker 1: talked about it, Yeah, she did. Um. And then if 542 00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:09,160 Speaker 1: we look at the superiority, you're better than the so 543 00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:15,120 Speaker 1: called enormis or casuals to the terms they use are muggles. Sometimes, 544 00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:19,440 Speaker 1: even outside of Harry Potter, toxic fandom is sometimes called 545 00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:23,080 Speaker 1: protective fandom. Fans thinking that they are protecting are preserving 546 00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:26,760 Speaker 1: the fandom as they believe it should be. Um. And 547 00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:28,480 Speaker 1: I've told the story on this very show how I 548 00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:33,240 Speaker 1: stopped playing games online because of toxic fandom. Michelle Rodriguez 549 00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:37,400 Speaker 1: was booed after saying destructive male culture while on a 550 00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:40,440 Speaker 1: panel called Women Who Kick Ass. A man shouted at 551 00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:45,920 Speaker 1: her women who talked too much. Then there's Bree Larson 552 00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:48,800 Speaker 1: the whole I think she just said we need more 553 00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:52,920 Speaker 1: women and everyone was like fire her immediately. Um. And 554 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:56,680 Speaker 1: then the reaction to Marvel Phase four, which is much 555 00:30:56,720 --> 00:31:00,600 Speaker 1: more diverse than it has been traditionally, people saying, oh, 556 00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:04,320 Speaker 1: this is it's ruined, like three women exactly, how dare you? 557 00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:08,080 Speaker 1: And then they're all white red oads. Right. There's even 558 00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:11,760 Speaker 1: that cut of the Avengers where they took out all 559 00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:15,840 Speaker 1: the women all male Avengers that thinks like that. And 560 00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:19,360 Speaker 1: then if you look at Star Wars, there's Daisy Daisy 561 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:23,200 Speaker 1: Ridley and Kelly Marie Tran being bullied off social media. 562 00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:25,360 Speaker 1: They're both in the new Star Wars. And then the 563 00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:28,880 Speaker 1: movies like, um, Charlie Staron was on Mad Max. They're 564 00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:32,840 Speaker 1: pissed that she was one of the heroes, even though 565 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:35,640 Speaker 1: essentially she still got rescued. Yeah, and I'm just like, 566 00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:40,080 Speaker 1: what's happening? And their whole men's men's rights movement about 567 00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:45,480 Speaker 1: boycotting that movie and things like that. It's just so affling. Yeah, 568 00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:51,000 Speaker 1: another thing that baffles me. Actors on Voltron received death 569 00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:54,400 Speaker 1: threats because of their response to questions around shipping. So 570 00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:56,920 Speaker 1: I've said it in another episode, but this is when 571 00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:01,240 Speaker 1: you are pushing for a certain relationship and they thought that. 572 00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:04,160 Speaker 1: I think the actors just said, I like, people should 573 00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:06,719 Speaker 1: ship whoever they want and everyone not everyone, but a 574 00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:10,840 Speaker 1: very vocal group of fans said you're wrong, this is 575 00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:15,479 Speaker 1: the only ship you monster death threats. Then Dan Harmon 576 00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:18,960 Speaker 1: have he had to essentially condemned half the fans of 577 00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:26,040 Speaker 1: Rick and Morty. Really, yes, and there it's one of 578 00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:31,520 Speaker 1: those things, unfortunate things where it's been taken by men's 579 00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:33,800 Speaker 1: rights activists and sort of turned into so like we 580 00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:37,560 Speaker 1: talked about in cells, so that like alpha is Rick 581 00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:43,440 Speaker 1: and then Beta is Morty, and then whatever the dad's name, Jerry, 582 00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:48,200 Speaker 1: he's the other thing. Um. And they attacked to McDonald's 583 00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:50,480 Speaker 1: and I think San Francisco some Rick and Morty fans 584 00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:53,440 Speaker 1: because they ran out of the sechue sauce. They were 585 00:32:53,480 --> 00:33:00,240 Speaker 1: threatening McDonald's employees. This is a cartoon, right, and people 586 00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:01,840 Speaker 1: can't get mad at me. And I'm like over a 587 00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:08,000 Speaker 1: cartoon of a non existent place and characters correct, And 588 00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:11,800 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm going off track to keep going. Stephen 589 00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:15,280 Speaker 1: Universe artist was forced to quit after she was threatened 590 00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:19,440 Speaker 1: by fans for drawing a appairing ship that they didn't like. 591 00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:24,600 Speaker 1: Members of a Sherlock panel the BBC Show were harassed 592 00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:29,320 Speaker 1: based on their preference of who tops in that universe. 593 00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:36,280 Speaker 1: Huh exactly. I think one of them was given a 594 00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:40,640 Speaker 1: candy with needles in it. Oh my god. Then there's 595 00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:43,720 Speaker 1: the practice of swatting. That's when you call swat teams 596 00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:46,440 Speaker 1: on someone during a gaming dispute, and this has resulted 597 00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:49,040 Speaker 1: in at least one death. That's a twenty years sentence. 598 00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:54,320 Speaker 1: Rotten Tomatoes changed its review policy to prevent mostly male 599 00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:57,720 Speaker 1: participants in toxic fandom from bombing movies on their site, 600 00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:00,200 Speaker 1: usually before they've been seeing them. Movies with fee out 601 00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:03,360 Speaker 1: and or people of color and lead roles Captain Marvel, Black, Panther, 602 00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:07,040 Speaker 1: Wonder Woman, they were all targets. The New Ghostbusters, Star Wars, 603 00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:13,920 Speaker 1: Last Jedi Tumbler added tag blocking and fandoms have this 604 00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:18,520 Speaker 1: power because this is a group that people who make movies, 605 00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:23,399 Speaker 1: studios feel beholden to because that it's guaranteed money if 606 00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:26,800 Speaker 1: he pleased them. And I'm sorry if that Faulds callous, 607 00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:30,480 Speaker 1: but it's true, right, um. And that can prevent studios 608 00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:35,760 Speaker 1: from making more inclusive choices um or like braver storyline choices. 609 00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:38,640 Speaker 1: And this is not to absolve studios at all at all, 610 00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:42,480 Speaker 1: but we can't absolve toxic fandom either, especially when studios 611 00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:44,840 Speaker 1: do make these decisions and the actors pay the price 612 00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:49,640 Speaker 1: via social media. It's like a reverse death of the 613 00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:53,160 Speaker 1: author problem when the fans are the problem, not the creator, 614 00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:58,400 Speaker 1: and creators can be involved in it too, though, especially 615 00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:01,480 Speaker 1: when they say a true fan can only believe in 616 00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:05,040 Speaker 1: their interpretation. Yes, I believe Anne Rice is a good example. 617 00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:09,680 Speaker 1: And and it's really bad this whole thing in terms 618 00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:12,680 Speaker 1: of things like fight Club or The Matrix, where toxic 619 00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:16,080 Speaker 1: again largely male fans took the original work and turned 620 00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:20,360 Speaker 1: it into something poisonous like representative of red pill blue pill. 621 00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:22,879 Speaker 1: And that's not how it was meant. I mean, fight 622 00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:27,960 Speaker 1: Club was supposed to be a satire about toxic masculinity, um, 623 00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:34,040 Speaker 1: but it has been usurped every time. That is why 624 00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:37,960 Speaker 1: we can't have nice things. Yes, hashtag. Not all fans. 625 00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:40,759 Speaker 1: We're making it sound awful. They are parts of it, 626 00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:48,320 Speaker 1: parts of it that are just truly terrible and uh frightening, 627 00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:51,000 Speaker 1: and it scares some people away, and it's that is 628 00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:54,120 Speaker 1: really frustrating to me. Um. Some of it, though, is 629 00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:58,720 Speaker 1: beautiful and rewarding and sometimes transformative. It can give you hobbies, friends, 630 00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:02,919 Speaker 1: maybe even significant others. Um. It can be a place 631 00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:04,840 Speaker 1: to find your tribe. I found one of my best friends. 632 00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:06,200 Speaker 1: I went up to talk to her because she had 633 00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:08,080 Speaker 1: a Harry Potter folder. It's the whole reason why I 634 00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:10,839 Speaker 1: talked to her and we're still best friends. To this stay, 635 00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:14,200 Speaker 1: she will be a jack Oh is she? And you guys? 636 00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:17,000 Speaker 1: Are are you guys the ones going to uh Orlando 637 00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:22,840 Speaker 1: November full Circle? It's it's all coming full something thanks 638 00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:25,560 Speaker 1: to fan of It's a place you can hone your creativity. 639 00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:29,600 Speaker 1: It can be all these things, but it can be 640 00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:32,160 Speaker 1: very very toxic. It can be also a thing that 641 00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:35,680 Speaker 1: is a criteria. Um where like if they don't like 642 00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:39,279 Speaker 1: Harry Potter, I'm very suspicious of you. I used to 643 00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:42,040 Speaker 1: have that rule and dating kind of like jokingly and 644 00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:46,080 Speaker 1: kind of seriously, like you're gonna have to either start 645 00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:49,080 Speaker 1: watching it now, yeah, or we're gonna watch them together 646 00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:51,160 Speaker 1: or read them. And that's just how it is. But 647 00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:53,080 Speaker 1: there are a few things that I'm like, like, if 648 00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:54,960 Speaker 1: you don't like this, we're gonna have to have talk. 649 00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:58,000 Speaker 1: We're gonna because it's gonna be on. You're just you're 650 00:36:58,040 --> 00:36:59,800 Speaker 1: just gonna deal with it. When I'm sitting there watching 651 00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:04,920 Speaker 1: all nine eight videos of it of Harry Potter, eight 652 00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:07,480 Speaker 1: eight videos back to back to back to back. Yeah, 653 00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:10,120 Speaker 1: and I don't want your snipe comments. Don't start with 654 00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:15,399 Speaker 1: me exactly. We sound like we're very We've got good 655 00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:19,239 Speaker 1: criteria for dating must like Harry Potter. Check and that's 656 00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:23,520 Speaker 1: why I'm not married. I don't want to be. Uh well, 657 00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:25,520 Speaker 1: we do have a little bit more for you, but 658 00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:27,360 Speaker 1: first we have one more quick break forward from our 659 00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:45,600 Speaker 1: sponsor and we're back. Thank you sponsor. So toxic fandom 660 00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:48,719 Speaker 1: is a big topic right now. I feel like fate 661 00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:51,080 Speaker 1: geek girl, the tide is turning where most people are like, 662 00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:54,920 Speaker 1: that's nonsense, it doesn't exist. There's definitely still angry men 663 00:37:55,840 --> 00:38:00,520 Speaker 1: who are pointing at any sexy lady that walks by. Uh. 664 00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:02,680 Speaker 1: I feel like now there's women are pointing at them. 665 00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:05,640 Speaker 1: I'm like, m hm, right, So I think I think 666 00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:09,720 Speaker 1: the tide is turning there slowly, ever so slowly. Toxic 667 00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:11,719 Speaker 1: fandom has been up in the news a lot, and 668 00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:14,360 Speaker 1: it just the fact that it's influenced these companies to 669 00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:20,000 Speaker 1: change their policies, says a lot. So I wasn't able 670 00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:22,279 Speaker 1: to find I we always want to end on a 671 00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:26,160 Speaker 1: hopeful note. Here's what you can do. Well, I couldn't 672 00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:30,160 Speaker 1: find too much, but I did see a near feed. 673 00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:34,240 Speaker 1: You can mute our block and or report toxic fans 674 00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:38,360 Speaker 1: and your feeds. There's a debate around just muting versus 675 00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:40,400 Speaker 1: actually reporting, because then it will remove it from all 676 00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:44,760 Speaker 1: of your followers feeds. So, uh, perhaps a future episode 677 00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:49,160 Speaker 1: on that one from YouTuber a LB in Wonderland. There 678 00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:51,000 Speaker 1: is no such thing as a fake eat girl. There 679 00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:53,279 Speaker 1: are only girls who are different varying levels of falling 680 00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:56,279 Speaker 1: in love with something that the society generically considers to 681 00:38:56,320 --> 00:39:01,279 Speaker 1: fall under the nerd culture category. Right, so the fake 682 00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:04,319 Speaker 1: girl that's a good costume, actually being a fake gig, 683 00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:06,839 Speaker 1: being a real fake girl. How do you do that? 684 00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:09,839 Speaker 1: I don't know. You dressed as the meme? You gotta 685 00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:12,520 Speaker 1: have some kind of clever. I'll think about that later. Um, 686 00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:17,200 Speaker 1: I did dress up as a generic enemy girl. I 687 00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:20,960 Speaker 1: think that's what it was. My character was generic Asian 688 00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:25,560 Speaker 1: anime character, and I was wearing a school girl uniform 689 00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:29,960 Speaker 1: that was just for one event. It again, I'll never 690 00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:32,160 Speaker 1: do it again because I actually busted two tires and 691 00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:33,839 Speaker 1: had to go to the varsity and weigh on someone 692 00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:36,160 Speaker 1: to help me change tires in that costume. Oh Man, 693 00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:39,040 Speaker 1: on a day that wasn't dragon Con, nor was it Helloween. 694 00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:41,560 Speaker 1: If someone's birthday party who loved dragon Con and wanted 695 00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:43,839 Speaker 1: to have their birthday party that trader of vix and 696 00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:45,399 Speaker 1: so they asked us to dress up, and I did 697 00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:48,200 Speaker 1: it because it was their birthday. I would like that 698 00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:50,759 Speaker 1: to be known. Okay, you were doing it, you were 699 00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:54,759 Speaker 1: acting for a friend. I understand. I won't make I 700 00:39:54,840 --> 00:40:01,239 Speaker 1: hope there's no pictures. I've often felt that way, but 701 00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:04,160 Speaker 1: I guess our hopeful note. I just wanna once again 702 00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:08,080 Speaker 1: reiterate sharing is what makes fandom beautiful, what helps it 703 00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:10,960 Speaker 1: grow and thrive and become better, not shutting out like 704 00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:14,080 Speaker 1: a fandom that you'd never allowed a change and you 705 00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:17,440 Speaker 1: never allow new people in will die right and it's 706 00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:19,359 Speaker 1: so much fun because, like I said, I get caught 707 00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:21,799 Speaker 1: onto your excitement. The reason I haven't watched and i've 708 00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:24,440 Speaker 1: seen it before, The Winter Soldiers because I know how 709 00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:26,480 Speaker 1: much you love it, so I know it's gonna be 710 00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:29,719 Speaker 1: even better watching it with you. And that's why I'm like, 711 00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:31,959 Speaker 1: this is fun even though like I like it a lot, 712 00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:34,759 Speaker 1: and I watched it a lot, but I don't like, 713 00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:36,840 Speaker 1: I'm not all into it as you are. That you 714 00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:39,600 Speaker 1: have a costume that you keep fixing up and making 715 00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:43,040 Speaker 1: better each year, the arm four point oh yea um. 716 00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:45,480 Speaker 1: But like that's the thing is a true fandom. If 717 00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:47,799 Speaker 1: you're a true fan, you would want other people to 718 00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:51,200 Speaker 1: understand it too. Yeah, and at varying levels. Just the 719 00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:54,520 Speaker 1: fact that you're willing to watch the movie, that's all 720 00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:57,279 Speaker 1: I'm excited. I wish we had video footage of that 721 00:40:57,320 --> 00:40:59,759 Speaker 1: time you read the list of best Marble movies and 722 00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:03,520 Speaker 1: you're reactions from worst to best, and as it get 723 00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:05,759 Speaker 1: gets further and further, and the winner Soldier hasn't been 724 00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:10,200 Speaker 1: an outset. Right, number one is number one, and then 725 00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:12,160 Speaker 1: it was number one. This is turning into the Winter 726 00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:20,080 Speaker 1: Soldier podcast. I apologize, See this is fandomer um. But 727 00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:23,359 Speaker 1: I hope that I hope that we can make it 728 00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:27,399 Speaker 1: a better place, a safer place for everyone. Yes, and 729 00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:30,239 Speaker 1: we would love for you listeners to write in if 730 00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:33,719 Speaker 1: you've had experiences with fake geek girl being called out 731 00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:37,520 Speaker 1: and toxic fandom. What costumes are you working on? If 732 00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:39,960 Speaker 1: you're gonna be at Giant Con twenty nineteen, let us know, 733 00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:43,000 Speaker 1: Come find it. I'll be in all black with Any's backpack. 734 00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:46,160 Speaker 1: Come find me my very recognizable black pack pack. Yep. 735 00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:48,880 Speaker 1: You can email us at Stuff Media, mom Stuff at 736 00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:51,320 Speaker 1: iHeart media dot com. 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