1 00:00:03,120 --> 00:00:05,400 Speaker 1: Robert Evans here, and I wanted to ask for your help. 2 00:00:05,519 --> 00:00:08,200 Speaker 1: There is a Portland area woman, Ruba to mem She's 3 00:00:08,240 --> 00:00:11,680 Speaker 1: an Arabic interpreter and a Palestinian liberation activist, and she 4 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:14,840 Speaker 1: is trying to save her home at the moment. She's 5 00:00:14,840 --> 00:00:16,800 Speaker 1: got to go fund me. If you go to save 6 00:00:16,920 --> 00:00:19,960 Speaker 1: Ruba's house, are you be a on go fund Bank? 7 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:22,640 Speaker 1: You'll find it Save Ruba's house on go fund me. 8 00:00:23,079 --> 00:00:25,280 Speaker 1: If you've got a few bucks, she could really use 9 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:28,600 Speaker 1: it against save Ruba's house. Are you be a at 10 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:37,560 Speaker 1: go fund Me? Thanks? What's killing my babies? This is shit? 11 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 1: That's bad way to start the episode. This is Behind 12 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:46,559 Speaker 1: the Bastards. Poorly introduced podcast by Robert Evans And as 13 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:50,000 Speaker 1: you might guess by our celebration of baby killing in 14 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:58,000 Speaker 1: the introduction, my guest this week Sophie Alejandra. Okay, oh yeah, 15 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:01,640 Speaker 1: hell yeah, did you make in air horns? Let's do it? No, no, no, 16 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:03,680 Speaker 1: I just really got a call that I've been canceled 17 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:06,560 Speaker 1: for those sound effects, So really thanks for having me. 18 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:10,600 Speaker 1: That's a shame. Cancel culture strikes again. First, Dr syce 19 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:13,559 Speaker 1: than you. I'm being told it's Dr Sis. I don't 20 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:17,640 Speaker 1: believe it. But I guess I have to move to Texas. Now, 21 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:20,760 Speaker 1: you have to move to Texas a k a. Cansylvania, 22 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 1: where the coronavirus runs free as the white tailed deer 23 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 1: across the prairie. Uh, Sophia. You and I have a 24 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:32,679 Speaker 1: bit of a history, um, and that history is I 25 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:34,680 Speaker 1: tell you stories about people who got a lot of 26 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:39,480 Speaker 1: babies killed. UM. And I value that part of our relationship. 27 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:42,120 Speaker 1: It's special. You know, there's not just anyone that you 28 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 1: can sit down and really talk about some dead babies with. 29 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:47,480 Speaker 1: But you and I have both had a rough year 30 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 1: um already, as I'm going to guess around three million Americans. 31 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:56,400 Speaker 1: So I decided to have a little bit lighter fair 32 00:01:56,480 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 1: this week, instead of talking about a baby, talking about 33 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 1: an eiracy theory that in many ways was the genesis 34 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:05,800 Speaker 1: of the Q and on conspiracy theory, which is a 35 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 1: conspiracy theory that revolves around satanic pedophiles killing babies. Robert, 36 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:15,240 Speaker 1: you flatter me. Oh my God keeps so much for 37 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 1: saving this for me. Oh yeah, No, we're gonna, we're 38 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 1: gonna have a good time. We're gonna we're gonna really 39 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:24,800 Speaker 1: really get down and and and dirty with it. Um, 40 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 1: have you heard the second base for us, Robert, this 41 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:29,359 Speaker 1: is this is this is a this is a real 42 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:33,680 Speaker 1: step forward for us. Have you heard of the ness 43 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:39,400 Speaker 1: era conspiracy theory? No? Okay, yeah, well that that is fine. 44 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:43,040 Speaker 1: It it's it's from the late nineties, early two thousands. 45 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:46,640 Speaker 1: How do you that? In E. S. E. R. A. 46 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:50,600 Speaker 1: I'll explain to you what it means of a little bit. Um. 47 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:54,240 Speaker 1: It started in like the late nineties, early two thousand's. Uh. 48 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:57,280 Speaker 1: It has been absorbed into Q and On, or at 49 00:02:57,320 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 1: least segments of the Q and On conspiracy have absorbed this. 50 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 1: But in a lot of ways, the nessera conspiracy theory, 51 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 1: which kind of hit its height in the Bush Ears, 52 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 1: is a prelude to Q and On a lot of that. 53 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:09,920 Speaker 1: You can see the groundwork being laid for QUA on 54 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 1: in this conspiracy theory. And that's why I think it's 55 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 1: very interesting. It's a beautiful amuse bush Yeah, conspiracy nonsense 56 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 1: to come. I'm very excited. It's very exciting, and it's 57 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:24,360 Speaker 1: being It kind of faded out at the end of 58 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:27,240 Speaker 1: the Bush Ears and it's being revived now so we'll 59 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 1: get to talk about in our next episode. Kind of 60 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 1: the modern revival of the nessera conspiracy theory. But first, 61 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:38,760 Speaker 1: let's go back in time to the early nineteen nineties, 62 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 1: which was I think fair to say, a golden age 63 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 1: of cartoons trying to sell children things mostly but but 64 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 1: compared to now, a golden age for sure. Um Now. 65 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 1: In the early nineteen nineties, a Louisiana State University graduate 66 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 1: in systems philosophy named Harvey Francis Bernard started looking at 67 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 1: the US onomy and seeing some warning signs up ahead. 68 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 1: I don't think I need to explain what those warning 69 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:07,720 Speaker 1: signs were, because we've all lived in a continual period 70 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:14,720 Speaker 1: of economic collapse and whatnot. Um So, Barnard is looking 71 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 1: at like the Clinton era economy and the things that 72 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:20,280 Speaker 1: are getting past and kind of the explosion of neoliberalism, 73 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 1: and going like this could be a problem, and he 74 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 1: decides to solve the problem. Um Now. Bernard believed that 75 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 1: personal debt was the number one factor holding back the 76 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:32,800 Speaker 1: US economy, and that compound interest was the number one 77 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:35,760 Speaker 1: cause of debt and just thus the chief moral evil 78 00:04:35,839 --> 00:04:38,719 Speaker 1: facing the US economy. So over the course of several 79 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:42,200 Speaker 1: years he put together a plan to fix this that 80 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 1: he called the National Economic Security and Recovery Act or 81 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 1: NESS Era you know to acronym um. And you're not 82 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:53,680 Speaker 1: going to get any analysis of how well this plan 83 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:55,960 Speaker 1: would have actually worked for me, because I don't understand 84 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:58,560 Speaker 1: the economy. This was his goal. He thought that this 85 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:00,600 Speaker 1: would fix things. I can't tell if it would have ever, 86 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:03,680 Speaker 1: wouldn't UM the proposed it was going to be a 87 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:07,400 Speaker 1: final solution. No, I don't think he was a bad person, 88 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:09,360 Speaker 1: and I don't think there was any like Yeah, I don't. 89 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 1: I don't get that hint because the conspiracy theory bears 90 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:14,760 Speaker 1: no resemblance to what he started, and he's tried to 91 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:17,080 Speaker 1: fight against the theory. This is just like a nerd 92 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:19,040 Speaker 1: who was who came up with what he thought might 93 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:22,600 Speaker 1: fix things, and nobody did it. Um. So, the proposed 94 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:24,960 Speaker 1: law would have replaced the income tax with a national 95 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:26,919 Speaker 1: sales tax, which I think is a bad idea that 96 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:29,240 Speaker 1: when I will comment on because it's kind of regressive 97 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 1: against poor people as opposed to progressive. He would abolish 98 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:36,239 Speaker 1: compound interest on most loans, which seems like a reasonable idea, 99 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:39,120 Speaker 1: and it would have returned the US to bi metallic currency, 100 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:41,880 Speaker 1: aka returning to using gold and silver is stores of 101 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 1: value for our currency, which does seem dumb. Bernard believed 102 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:48,040 Speaker 1: his plan would lead to zero percent inflation and an 103 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:51,599 Speaker 1: economy devoid of recessions and depressions. Um So it was 104 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 1: a nice dream. Again, doesn't seem to me like it 105 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 1: would have worked. But I don't know anything about the economy. 106 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:58,720 Speaker 1: Um And, like every young man with a beautiful dream, 107 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:01,320 Speaker 1: Harvey decided that self publishing was the best way to 108 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:05,000 Speaker 1: get his message out. In n he produced a book 109 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:09,960 Speaker 1: Draining the Swamp Monetary and Fiscal Policy Reform. You remember 110 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:15,280 Speaker 1: that title. Yeah, So he sent copies of this book 111 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:18,200 Speaker 1: to every member of Congress, and of course nobody read them. Right, 112 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 1: you send a copy of your your homebrewed fiscal policy 113 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:23,680 Speaker 1: to Congress. Nobody's going to read that. Nobody was ever 114 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 1: going to read that, um Nessara never went up for 115 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:30,680 Speaker 1: a vote, it was never even discussed in Congress, and 116 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:35,680 Speaker 1: Bernard's plan for economic reform remains untested to this day. Frustrated, 117 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 1: he published his book online under a new name, Draining 118 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 1: a Swamp the nessa Story Money and Fiscal Policy, and 119 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:45,360 Speaker 1: for a few years it mostly just existed on the 120 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 1: internet as a bizarre monument to what might have been 121 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:50,279 Speaker 1: if the entire national government had decided to implement the 122 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 1: plan that some dude who had enough spare cash to 123 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:55,919 Speaker 1: self publish had sent them via the mail. Um nothing 124 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:58,719 Speaker 1: really happened with it. No elected leaders or influential thinkers 125 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:01,520 Speaker 1: picked up on the work, but people did start to 126 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 1: read it. And one of the people who read it 127 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:07,040 Speaker 1: was Candice Goodwin, a woman from Washington State who was 128 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 1: a unique mix of gullible and cunning. Now we're not 129 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 1: going to talk about Candice for a little while yet, 130 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:16,480 Speaker 1: but remember Candice Goodwin picks this book up, reads it 131 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 1: in like the late nineties, early two thousands, and while 132 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:23,200 Speaker 1: she's becoming interested in this, a completely separate thing is happening. 133 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 1: A scam is being born in Matune, Illinois, to a 134 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:29,880 Speaker 1: man named Clyde Hood. This is a little bit of 135 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 1: a wandering story. I just like all of the delightful 136 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 1: names Matune. Come on, Illinois. That's not a real town name, 137 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 1: and you fuckers know its fucking Illinois. Um. So, Clyde 138 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:48,360 Speaker 1: Hood is a retired electrician who lives in Matune, and 139 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 1: in nine he decided he wanted to make more money 140 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 1: than tended to be available to small town electricians. He 141 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:58,480 Speaker 1: started what he called Omega Trust and Trading. So Clyde 142 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:00,560 Speaker 1: told the people that he approached with his plan that 143 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:02,880 Speaker 1: he had a background in an investment banking. He'd done 144 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:05,000 Speaker 1: the job for fifteen or sixteen years. He owned a 145 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:07,960 Speaker 1: foreign bank, not one that they'd heard of. But trust him. 146 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:09,360 Speaker 1: You know, there's a big deal. This bank that he 147 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:12,000 Speaker 1: owns is a big is a Jew. I'm personally offended. 148 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 1: These are all lits um. So as I owned the banks, 149 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:21,640 Speaker 1: I control the media. Hello, that is the new conspiracy 150 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:25,480 Speaker 1: that you're dropping today? Uh? Which is which is that 151 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 1: that you control the global economy? Not all the Jews, 152 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:33,320 Speaker 1: just me, just Sophia for the rest of them. Protocols 153 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:37,559 Speaker 1: of Sophia exactly. I am an elder of Zion. There 154 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:41,840 Speaker 1: weren't all of us. It was just me. It's always meeting. 155 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:44,599 Speaker 1: I wrote a whole scroll. I didn't know it was 156 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:47,240 Speaker 1: going to get popular. Oh boy, the fan art that 157 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:49,679 Speaker 1: comes out of this is going to be really problematic 158 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:54,199 Speaker 1: in like five years. So Clyde started telling people again 159 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:57,239 Speaker 1: who was his only background is as a small town electrician. 160 00:08:57,280 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 1: Clyde starts saying, I've got sixteen fifteen years experience as 161 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:03,240 Speaker 1: investment banker. I own a giant foreign bank. I'm an 162 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:06,960 Speaker 1: expert in offshore trading um. And he would particularly claim 163 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:10,320 Speaker 1: to be an expert in European high yield investment programs 164 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:13,839 Speaker 1: and prime bank notes. Don't know what those are, don't worry. 165 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:16,880 Speaker 1: Clyde didn't really either. He'd just lie about what they were. 166 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:19,160 Speaker 1: He would tell his marks that these were the kind 167 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:21,840 Speaker 1: of investments that are why rich people get richer. So 168 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:25,000 Speaker 1: they're investments that are guaranteed to have a huge like 169 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:27,840 Speaker 1: increase in like a return of r O Y or 170 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 1: whatever return over time UM. And if you invest in them, 171 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:33,240 Speaker 1: you're automatically going to make more money. There's no chance 172 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:36,040 Speaker 1: of them failing. And the only reason you can't invest 173 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:37,840 Speaker 1: in that is that the rich people have set up 174 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:40,720 Speaker 1: restrictions so that little people like you can't get in 175 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 1: these investments. And so you can't get rich because you 176 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 1: don't have enough capital upfront to get in the door 177 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:48,200 Speaker 1: of these kinds of things. So he would enrich people, 178 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:51,080 Speaker 1: That's what Clyde would say. And he would get these 179 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:54,760 Speaker 1: audiences of Midwestern churchgoers mostly, and he would tell them 180 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:57,079 Speaker 1: there are these investments that are why rich people keep 181 00:09:57,080 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 1: getting so rich and they're locking you out of them. 182 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:02,240 Speaker 1: But because I'm in this system, because I'm a big 183 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:04,200 Speaker 1: part of this, I know how to get you all 184 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:06,320 Speaker 1: in the door I do. He would tell people like, 185 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 1: I do two fifty million dollar deals four times a week. 186 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:11,679 Speaker 1: You know, It's totally routine for me. I know how 187 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:14,400 Speaker 1: to make I like I I can I I understand 188 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:16,560 Speaker 1: this business that they're trying to lock you out of, 189 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:18,320 Speaker 1: and I've got a way for you to get in 190 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 1: with it. He would tell his marks things like this quote, 191 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 1: I'm the only one with control. I'm the only one 192 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:26,600 Speaker 1: with a collateral account. I'm the one with a fiduciary bank. 193 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:28,320 Speaker 1: There are only seven or eight people in the world 194 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 1: that can do all this. So basically it sounds like 195 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:35,840 Speaker 1: a Finn doom, doesn't he a little? Really does? He's like, 196 00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:38,720 Speaker 1: I'm the one that holds the money. I got the 197 00:10:38,760 --> 00:10:43,040 Speaker 1: only one that knows how this works. But he was 198 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:45,200 Speaker 1: so what he was doing though, This is where it 199 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:47,520 Speaker 1: gets kind of interesting. So he would he would start 200 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:49,640 Speaker 1: by pumping himself up as like, this is how how 201 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:51,080 Speaker 1: big a deal I am. This is the kind of 202 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:52,880 Speaker 1: money I work with, This is the kind of scale 203 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:55,600 Speaker 1: I work at and I'm I'm an integral part, one 204 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:58,080 Speaker 1: of seven or eight people who's a part of running 205 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:00,439 Speaker 1: these systems that are why the rich get rich, sure 206 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:03,720 Speaker 1: that you, the poor, are locked out of And then 207 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:06,040 Speaker 1: he would go into the second part of his spiel, 208 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:07,520 Speaker 1: and I'm gonna quote from a write up in the 209 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:10,559 Speaker 1: News Tribute and a local Illinois paper explaining that spiel. 210 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:13,320 Speaker 1: With a nod to his Christian audience, he said, a 211 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:15,920 Speaker 1: vision from God came to him during a business trip 212 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:18,280 Speaker 1: in Hong Kong. It told him to help the little 213 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:21,360 Speaker 1: people and to do a big trade for humanitarian causes. 214 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:23,800 Speaker 1: For that, he had formed a company called Omega trust 215 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:26,960 Speaker 1: In Trading lt D. He was offering hard working people 216 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:30,439 Speaker 1: a chance to reap their share of the lord's storehouse. 217 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:33,679 Speaker 1: They could buy Omega units for a hundred dollars apiece 218 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:36,679 Speaker 1: under Hood's supervision. Each unit would roll for US two 219 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 1: hundred and seventy five days with a fifty to one return. 220 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:42,880 Speaker 1: Investors could let it roll again for another two hundred 221 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:45,719 Speaker 1: seventy five days, again at fifty to one. After that 222 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:47,920 Speaker 1: they could do one more role. But that was all 223 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:50,679 Speaker 1: for onlookers. The math wasn't too hard to figure in 224 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 1: less than three years, a hundred dollars could become twelve 225 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:57,199 Speaker 1: point five million dollars. So you see what you see 226 00:11:57,240 --> 00:12:00,599 Speaker 1: what the scam is here. I've got acts. I I'm 227 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:03,000 Speaker 1: big in the system, the system that you're locked out of. 228 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 1: But God told me to let you in. So individually, 229 00:12:06,679 --> 00:12:08,000 Speaker 1: you each can't be a part of this because you 230 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:09,640 Speaker 1: don't have enough money. But if you all pull your 231 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 1: money together, we can get put you in this fifty 232 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:14,480 Speaker 1: to one investment. And if you just let give your 233 00:12:14,520 --> 00:12:17,120 Speaker 1: money to me for three or four years, it'll be 234 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:20,200 Speaker 1: millions of dollars that you know. What I like about 235 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:25,360 Speaker 1: this scamp is that in the beginning he says he's 236 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:28,160 Speaker 1: part of the problem. He does. I mean, he's like, 237 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:32,760 Speaker 1: I'm one of the eight people that's the problem. You 238 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:37,560 Speaker 1: can trust me. It's just such a blatant amount of 239 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:40,720 Speaker 1: honesty that I received that hustle. He was like, look, 240 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:44,760 Speaker 1: I am one of eight crooks that control the world. 241 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:48,560 Speaker 1: Obviously you can't be me, but do you want to 242 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:52,080 Speaker 1: trust me with all your money? Yeah? And it's one 243 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:55,120 Speaker 1: of those things where it's a very specific who this 244 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:57,800 Speaker 1: grift could work on is very specific. Right, this is 245 00:12:57,840 --> 00:13:01,520 Speaker 1: only ever going to function for like, this is only 246 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:04,720 Speaker 1: ever going to function on a specific kind of conservative 247 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:07,920 Speaker 1: person right where they you tell them, I am a 248 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:10,480 Speaker 1: part of this tiny system of wealth and privilege that 249 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:13,120 Speaker 1: you have no chance of getting access to, that is 250 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:16,240 Speaker 1: made to profit to lock you out as the little people. 251 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:19,360 Speaker 1: But you don't hate me for that because you think 252 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 1: you're you're still bought into that idea that having money 253 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:26,319 Speaker 1: in infer some sort of moral um high ground, right, 254 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:28,839 Speaker 1: that you've done something to earn it. So he's not 255 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:33,640 Speaker 1: he's he's really specifically grifting kind of conservative church going 256 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 1: Midwesterners by saying, hey, um, I'm a part of this system. 257 00:13:38,120 --> 00:13:40,280 Speaker 1: But I know you don't really hate the system. You 258 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:42,040 Speaker 1: just hate that you don't have access to it, and 259 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:44,319 Speaker 1: I I will give you access to it because God 260 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:47,520 Speaker 1: told me too. It's an interesting, interesting grift. It's kind 261 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:50,319 Speaker 1: of um, it's not completely different from what happened with 262 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:52,600 Speaker 1: the Wall Street that's thing, right with some of the 263 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:55,120 Speaker 1: way that was being framed to people of like these 264 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:57,839 Speaker 1: kind of investments, normally you can't get in. It's just 265 00:13:57,920 --> 00:14:00,959 Speaker 1: the only hedge funds can do this thing. But we're 266 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:03,160 Speaker 1: going to crowdsource this thing that only hedge funds do 267 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:05,560 Speaker 1: and you'll make a bunch of money, and some people did, 268 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:09,920 Speaker 1: but more people lost money. Um, you know, it's that 269 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:13,120 Speaker 1: kind of grift um And I mean it's it's kind 270 00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:16,000 Speaker 1: of a nice cocktail, right because you're like, you're bringing 271 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:20,000 Speaker 1: in like, yes, a few people control the world's finances. 272 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:22,920 Speaker 1: You know, you're you're mixing in a healthy dash of 273 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:27,200 Speaker 1: oh God chose me to help, you know, and you're 274 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 1: mixing in the fear, the underlying fear of uh people 275 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:37,760 Speaker 1: that the only reason they're not rich is because they 276 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:43,040 Speaker 1: lack access, but not access in terms of like racism 277 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:47,280 Speaker 1: or systemic like no access in terms of literally one 278 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:50,080 Speaker 1: of the eight people being like you're a now, yeah, 279 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:52,480 Speaker 1: you just need to have the right rich friend and 280 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:55,240 Speaker 1: then everything will be fine for you, like and then 281 00:14:55,280 --> 00:14:57,760 Speaker 1: then you can get rich. And it is also another 282 00:14:57,800 --> 00:14:59,320 Speaker 1: way in which I guess it does kind of like 283 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:02,560 Speaker 1: you can see some sort of similarities. Walter bets you 284 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 1: just have to put in a hundred bucks, right, And 285 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:06,560 Speaker 1: obviously they're trying to get people to put in more, right, 286 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:08,600 Speaker 1: because if your hundred dollars can turn into twelve point 287 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:10,120 Speaker 1: five million, what if you put in a thousand you'll 288 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:13,520 Speaker 1: be super rich, you know. Anyway, So I just have 289 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:16,080 Speaker 1: to say that me and my mom got suckered into 290 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:20,480 Speaker 1: am Way when we first moved here. So yeah, and 291 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:23,480 Speaker 1: imagine being like a new immigrant and someone is like, 292 00:15:23,720 --> 00:15:27,680 Speaker 1: I know how I can prey on you. Yeah, it's 293 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:29,960 Speaker 1: really fucked up. And it's called the American Way, which 294 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:33,600 Speaker 1: I just think is so that's what am Way was 295 00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 1: designed to do, you know. Um, like people come here 296 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:39,680 Speaker 1: with a little bit of cash in their pocket and 297 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:44,280 Speaker 1: this dream of America as a opportunity. That's what was 298 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:50,360 Speaker 1: not a lot of cash. Yeah. Um. Also, my mom 299 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:52,760 Speaker 1: has like the worst social skills, so it was just 300 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:55,360 Speaker 1: really fun to have a woman that doesn't say goodbye 301 00:15:55,400 --> 00:15:59,920 Speaker 1: before she hangs up, Um the phone that sell any 302 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:03,440 Speaker 1: think to anyone. I'm like, she doesn't know how to 303 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:08,640 Speaker 1: talk to her daughter. She's gonna befriend an American stranger. 304 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:15,920 Speaker 1: Amazing classic. So so far, I think this is an 305 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:18,360 Speaker 1: interesting grift because I'm interested in grifts, but this is 306 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:20,760 Speaker 1: a pretty run of the mill grift. I think thousands 307 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 1: of American con artists have made bank off of variations 308 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:27,280 Speaker 1: of the same idea. Um, there's nothing totally groundbreaking here, 309 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:29,840 Speaker 1: although again I think it is neat. Clyde Hood did 310 00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:32,320 Speaker 1: differentiate himself a bit with the kind of work that 311 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:34,520 Speaker 1: he put into his grift and what he did with 312 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 1: the money. Um. In terms of the money, he used 313 00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:39,840 Speaker 1: it to make his hometown mattoon like. He poured it 314 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:41,680 Speaker 1: all back into a lot of it back into the community. 315 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:45,000 Speaker 1: He would buy people houses and businesses um. And he 316 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:47,120 Speaker 1: did this to like launder the money right, Like, he 317 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:51,560 Speaker 1: would give people interest free loans and stuff um, which 318 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:53,760 Speaker 1: is smart because it may meant that everybody who lived 319 00:16:53,760 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 1: around him uh supported him in his grift uh. And 320 00:16:57,760 --> 00:16:59,680 Speaker 1: it also meant that he had a way to launder 321 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:03,960 Speaker 1: money um. Now, he was also a kind of labor 322 00:17:03,960 --> 00:17:06,359 Speaker 1: full guy. He put the effort into making this look 323 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:10,920 Speaker 1: like official financial ship because again, his clients were low 324 00:17:11,080 --> 00:17:14,320 Speaker 1: income Midwesterners who just if the forms looked right, they 325 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:17,399 Speaker 1: would assume this was an actual investment. He would send 326 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:21,400 Speaker 1: his investors official looking legal documents called private party loan agreements, 327 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:23,720 Speaker 1: which are not a thing um. But the people he 328 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:25,960 Speaker 1: was scamming didn't know that, and they got receipts that 329 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:29,680 Speaker 1: seemed very official, so they assumed it was legitimate. Clyde 330 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:32,199 Speaker 1: was also intelligent enough to portray his scam is not 331 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:34,880 Speaker 1: just another get rich quick scheme. He wasn't just offering 332 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:38,119 Speaker 1: people a sure thing investment opportunity. He was a crusader 333 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:40,280 Speaker 1: who had come from the murky waters of finance with 334 00:17:40,359 --> 00:17:43,879 Speaker 1: special knowledge and a biblical command to free regular people 335 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:47,200 Speaker 1: from the bonds of debt, slavery, and paycheck to paycheck life. 336 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:50,080 Speaker 1: Clyde claimed his new goal was to quote keep the 337 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:55,600 Speaker 1: Lord's warehouse full. So he also told his marks that 338 00:17:55,680 --> 00:17:57,800 Speaker 1: as a rich investment banker, he had access to a 339 00:17:57,840 --> 00:18:01,120 Speaker 1: special investment system that was only available to the wealthy um. 340 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:04,000 Speaker 1: So again he was like letting you into this thing now. 341 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:06,679 Speaker 1: For the next few years, Omega spread by word of 342 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:09,639 Speaker 1: mouth all over North America. Hood and four of his 343 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:12,520 Speaker 1: friends acted as the ringleaders, connecting a network of roobs 344 00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:17,320 Speaker 1: via direct phone conversations. Omega investors in seventeen area codes 345 00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:20,840 Speaker 1: would regularly receive calls with prerecorded updates from Clyde on 346 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:23,800 Speaker 1: the status of their investment. Most of these calls focused 347 00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:27,080 Speaker 1: on why the promised payouts were constantly delayed. For example, 348 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:31,879 Speaker 1: quote Omega has been interrupted due to some unforeseen financial conflicts, 349 00:18:31,920 --> 00:18:35,080 Speaker 1: he said in a June third, nineteen phone message. These 350 00:18:35,119 --> 00:18:38,960 Speaker 1: situations are those situations should be completed on June seventeenth, nineteen, 351 00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:42,040 Speaker 1: and the banks will then continue to process your checks 352 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:45,080 Speaker 1: and credit cards. So he's just taking like voice like 353 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:49,080 Speaker 1: it's not even like an actual voicemail. It's like a recording. Yeah, 354 00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:51,760 Speaker 1: it's a prerecorded voicemail to keep you up to date 355 00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:55,439 Speaker 1: on your investment. And hey, when you love enough to 356 00:18:55,600 --> 00:19:01,240 Speaker 1: do the very least, Yeah, sofa, he's he's a he's 357 00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:04,800 Speaker 1: a solid grifter. Now this worked for a shockingly long time. 358 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:08,040 Speaker 1: People accepted the delays just as just more evidence that 359 00:19:08,119 --> 00:19:10,680 Speaker 1: Clyde was a real hero. Right. The system is trying 360 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:13,359 Speaker 1: to stop him from getting us our money, Like, we're 361 00:19:13,359 --> 00:19:15,719 Speaker 1: all in this together. We're fighting the system, and if 362 00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:19,520 Speaker 1: we just keep holding out, um, eventually we'll break into 363 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:23,719 Speaker 1: the system. Now. The reality, of course, so similar and 364 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:27,240 Speaker 1: just way too similar to what's happened. I know it's 365 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:32,640 Speaker 1: the same thing. It's too much. It's very fun. I 366 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:37,200 Speaker 1: do like to picture him practicing recording those voice messages. 367 00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 1: Imagine being like, oh, no, I should have I got 368 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:47,600 Speaker 1: to invent a new thing. Let's see, like a hedge fund. Uh, 369 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:50,639 Speaker 1: hedge fund? Okay, which what should you do, like a 370 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:55,520 Speaker 1: like high hedge fund VP. Yeah, so the high Hedge 371 00:19:55,560 --> 00:19:59,879 Speaker 1: Fund VP has recently told us about some complications in 372 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:09,800 Speaker 1: your account. Just pretty fun to imagine it. Yeah, yeah, Robert, Okay, 373 00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:12,800 Speaker 1: So I'm just I'm just thinking about how this is 374 00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:15,439 Speaker 1: going to keep happening forever, you know, but you know 375 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:17,760 Speaker 1: what else is going to keep happening forever. And it's 376 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:20,240 Speaker 1: also fun to imagine. I had to put both products 377 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:25,080 Speaker 1: and they're together. It was so cohesive, yes, Robert, products 378 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:44,680 Speaker 1: and services. Okay, well products, that's it. Oh, we're back. 379 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:49,080 Speaker 1: Well okay. So the reality, of course of this con 380 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:52,160 Speaker 1: was that Clyde and his collaborators were making bank stealing 381 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:53,920 Speaker 1: from a bunch of people who didn't have a whole 382 00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:56,840 Speaker 1: lot of money to steal. Uh. He recruited salesman who 383 00:20:56,840 --> 00:20:59,600 Speaker 1: would pitch Omega to new communities, and his most successful 384 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:02,960 Speaker 1: pitchman brought in sixty two a hundred thousand dollars per week. 385 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:05,960 Speaker 1: So they are fleecing a lot of people for a 386 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:09,960 Speaker 1: lot of money. Clyde avoided pitching two communities too close 387 00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:12,160 Speaker 1: to his hometown in Illinois, because again, you don't want 388 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:15,240 Speaker 1: to ship where you eat, California and Texas where his 389 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:20,960 Speaker 1: biggest money making states, which should not surprise anyone. Washington. 390 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:24,199 Speaker 1: So nice choosing such big fucking states. I mean, like 391 00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:26,520 Speaker 1: you're you don't want to grift in like South Dakota 392 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:33,600 Speaker 1: get shot four people in town. I've stolen all eight 393 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:38,080 Speaker 1: dollars in the community. Yeah, that's not even going to 394 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:42,240 Speaker 1: pay for my bus stake at home. Yeah, Washington State 395 00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:46,040 Speaker 1: was his number three biggest mark, and it was there 396 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:49,600 Speaker 1: in that Candice Goodwin, who we talked about earlier, big 397 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:53,919 Speaker 1: fan of Nessa, became an investor. She lived near Yell, Washington, 398 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:57,520 Speaker 1: which is also where most of Omega's Washington investors lived. 399 00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:02,439 Speaker 1: One resident whose mother's gave dollars declined later told reporters quote, 400 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:06,520 Speaker 1: it proliferated throughout this entire town. Another resident who donated 401 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:10,439 Speaker 1: or who invested and lost recalled it was just by 402 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:12,320 Speaker 1: word of mouth. Some friends of ours told us, and 403 00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:14,320 Speaker 1: then we turned around to talk to other people about it. 404 00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:17,640 Speaker 1: They already knew. And of course, the way that things 405 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:20,320 Speaker 1: work in these kind of communities, small communities, you convince 406 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:23,000 Speaker 1: one person you're legit, they'll tell their friends and it's like, hey, 407 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:25,480 Speaker 1: we all have this opportunity to get super rich. You know, 408 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:27,680 Speaker 1: fighting the system, let's do it. Let's you know, whatever 409 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:30,080 Speaker 1: you've got put in as much as you can, right, 410 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:33,520 Speaker 1: why not, it's a sure thing system. Fighting the system 411 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:37,280 Speaker 1: always results in a huge fucking cash cow at the end. 412 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:41,680 Speaker 1: That's the way fighting the system works. That's why activism 413 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:45,800 Speaker 1: was so lucrative. People fucking union leaders and all the 414 00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:50,720 Speaker 1: people protesting just fucking l and union leaders do sometimes 415 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:53,240 Speaker 1: when wind up whirling in cash. But that's because of 416 00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:56,280 Speaker 1: the mop Well I don't mean I guess leaders leaders. 417 00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:58,760 Speaker 1: I'm thinking of my friends who were yeah, yeah, yeah, 418 00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:01,959 Speaker 1: not like there's a difference between most unions and like 419 00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:09,000 Speaker 1: Atlantic city unions. So the fact that this kind of 420 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:13,040 Speaker 1: proliferated through very savvy con artists in the network of 421 00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:16,639 Speaker 1: savvy con artists reaching out to influential people in small 422 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:19,800 Speaker 1: communities and convincing them that they were the real thing. 423 00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:22,119 Speaker 1: That's probably part of why it took the FEDS so 424 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:25,080 Speaker 1: long to realize that something was up. Um. The other 425 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:27,640 Speaker 1: part is that the Internet wasn't really a thing at 426 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:29,439 Speaker 1: this point in the same way that it is now. Right, 427 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:32,000 Speaker 1: it existed obviously in the late nineties, but you were 428 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:34,399 Speaker 1: not going to read small town people for a grift 429 00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:37,280 Speaker 1: via the internet. Omega was sold hand to hand and 430 00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:40,719 Speaker 1: people were strung along over phone calls to their landlines. Right, 431 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:46,240 Speaker 1: the artisanal grift and artisan grif Yeah, the whole foods 432 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:55,000 Speaker 1: of grift ing. Yeah, it's it's it's uh hand farmed 433 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:57,919 Speaker 1: to table grift ing. It's it's you know, grift local. 434 00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:05,080 Speaker 1: I always say, um, support your local grifter. That's merge. 435 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:09,359 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, that is merge. Yeah. So the fact that 436 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:12,600 Speaker 1: like Omega was sold this way allowed also allowed Clyde 437 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:15,879 Speaker 1: and his fellows to trick very well educated and accomplished people. 438 00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:19,280 Speaker 1: We're not talking about like a Nigerian prince email scam 439 00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:21,119 Speaker 1: here where you shoot out a million emails and you 440 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:24,280 Speaker 1: hope you just kind of scam a couple of people, 441 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:27,240 Speaker 1: like right, you shoot out a bunch. This is very targeted, 442 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:30,359 Speaker 1: very um, there's a lot of effort going into this grift. 443 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:32,720 Speaker 1: One of the biggest marks that they found was a 444 00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:36,560 Speaker 1: Seattle based tax attorney and a very successful tax attorney 445 00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:39,399 Speaker 1: who gave Omega two hundred and eighty thousand dollars. So 446 00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:42,600 Speaker 1: people who should have known better got caught into this ship. Right, 447 00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:45,399 Speaker 1: you expect a tax attorney would know this is all lies, 448 00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:50,080 Speaker 1: but he didn't. Um. The local New Age movement was 449 00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:53,040 Speaker 1: absolutely critical to allowing Omega to spread through most of 450 00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:56,679 Speaker 1: these little communities in Washington. The vector of infection seems 451 00:24:56,720 --> 00:25:00,000 Speaker 1: to have been jay Z Night, a grew who claimed 452 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,920 Speaker 1: to channel Rampa the soul of a forty thousand year 453 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:06,520 Speaker 1: old warrior. Many Omega donors had heard about the opportunity 454 00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:09,640 Speaker 1: through jay Z or through Rampha, who again jay Z 455 00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:13,440 Speaker 1: she she channeled Ramtha right uh, and I'm gonna quote 456 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:15,520 Speaker 1: again from the right up in the news Tribune here. 457 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:19,439 Speaker 1: Omega was an open secret secret at nights Rampa School 458 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:22,520 Speaker 1: of Enlightenment. For former students say they asked not to 459 00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:25,119 Speaker 1: be named, citing the fear of legal retaliation from Night, 460 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:28,760 Speaker 1: who requires students to sign nondisclosure agreements. That's how I 461 00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:31,359 Speaker 1: became involved in it was through the school, one student said, 462 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:33,399 Speaker 1: I was involved in it, and practically everyone else I 463 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:35,000 Speaker 1: knew what this school was involved in it. There were 464 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:37,320 Speaker 1: tons of people involved in this. On just a cash basis. 465 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:40,320 Speaker 1: People were sending in cash, cash, with no paperwork, no receipt, 466 00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:42,679 Speaker 1: no nothing. People were promised their money was going to 467 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:45,959 Speaker 1: come in before the next snowfall. The students say Night 468 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:48,440 Speaker 1: never endorsed a promoted omega. Some are call her telling 469 00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:51,960 Speaker 1: students to cultivate an abundance mentality if the promised fortunes 470 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:58,919 Speaker 1: ever came, which is again secret. Yeah it is, it is, right, 471 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:02,000 Speaker 1: And then that's jay Z Knight. We'll do a story 472 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:05,560 Speaker 1: on her at some point. Is a very skillful grifter, right, 473 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:09,360 Speaker 1: So she's already got people believing I have otherworldly, worldly 474 00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:11,600 Speaker 1: wisdom that I'm channeling through the spirit of a forty 475 00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:14,920 Speaker 1: year old like dead warrior prints. Right, And if you'll 476 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:18,400 Speaker 1: believe that, you'll probably be in a in a mindset 477 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:20,720 Speaker 1: where you might believe, oh hey, God told me to 478 00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:22,879 Speaker 1: let you guys out on this rich people scam so 479 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:25,080 Speaker 1: that we can break the system. Right, it's not so 480 00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:28,200 Speaker 1: much of a leap if you're already believed rab the exists. 481 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:31,240 Speaker 1: But also, jay z Knight isn't telling people to get 482 00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:33,560 Speaker 1: involved in this because jay Z Knight, being a good grift, 483 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:36,280 Speaker 1: knows this is gonna come crashing down at some point. Right, 484 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:38,720 Speaker 1: So what she tells you is you have to cultivate 485 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:41,600 Speaker 1: an abundance mentality and then and then wealth will come 486 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:43,680 Speaker 1: to you. And if she's telling you that, while these 487 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:46,119 Speaker 1: people she's letting into her community are asking you to 488 00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:48,080 Speaker 1: invest in this thing, you're going to pour all your 489 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:51,080 Speaker 1: money into it because that's the way people work. It's 490 00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:54,600 Speaker 1: I love the way cross pollination works with grifts. This 491 00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:57,560 Speaker 1: whole story is the story of a bunch of different 492 00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:01,320 Speaker 1: grifts and conspiracy theories, all cross lanating with her within 493 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:04,399 Speaker 1: like sort of a cultic milieu. To use that term again. 494 00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:08,359 Speaker 1: It's like essentially you're being fucked from two sides and 495 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:11,720 Speaker 1: you're getting sucking split like a roast turkey, except for 496 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:16,760 Speaker 1: that sounds rad and this sucks. It's rad. If you 497 00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:19,480 Speaker 1: asked for it, it's all rad. If you thought you 498 00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:23,520 Speaker 1: were coming over for dinner, Yeah, I mean it depends 499 00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:27,600 Speaker 1: on your personality, I guess. But anyway, back to back 500 00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:32,199 Speaker 1: to messera. So Candice Goodwin, also known as Shiny Goodwin 501 00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:36,159 Speaker 1: s H A I n I. Goodwin, had attended classes 502 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:38,840 Speaker 1: at the Rama School in the late nineteen eighties. The 503 00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:41,200 Speaker 1: school had opened in nineteen eighty eight, so Goodwin would 504 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:43,320 Speaker 1: have been one of the very first students. She started 505 00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:46,320 Speaker 1: calling herself a channel er in the early nineteen nineties 506 00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:48,879 Speaker 1: and when she got involved with Omega, she decided to 507 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,440 Speaker 1: do more than just invest money and wait for her return. 508 00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:55,120 Speaker 1: Goodwin listened to the prerecorded regular messages Clyde sent out 509 00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:58,160 Speaker 1: and thought, that's a pretty good idea. You can really 510 00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:00,520 Speaker 1: get people strung along on a grip if you send 511 00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:02,680 Speaker 1: the messages this way, if you're in their ear all 512 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:06,760 Speaker 1: the time. So she started putting out a newsletter called 513 00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:11,400 Speaker 1: the Daily Dove and started calling herself the Dove of Oneness. Now, 514 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:13,600 Speaker 1: the reports that she sent out in this newsletter were 515 00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:17,760 Speaker 1: initially focused on providing people with information about their Omega investments, 516 00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:20,439 Speaker 1: and she was not directly affiliated with Omega. This is 517 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:23,200 Speaker 1: like she's like a Remora. She sees the successful grift 518 00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:27,040 Speaker 1: and she attaches herself to it right um, which is 519 00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:29,840 Speaker 1: another thing that starts to happen with the Omega grift 520 00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:33,119 Speaker 1: and with we'll talk. There's a lot going on here. Um. 521 00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:37,159 Speaker 1: So she called herself initially just another Omega investor, waiting 522 00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:40,520 Speaker 1: for her prosperity deliveries like everyone else. She claimed to 523 00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:43,040 Speaker 1: have direct dealings with Clyde and his other partners, but 524 00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:45,760 Speaker 1: again she was not a part of their actual organization. 525 00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:49,040 Speaker 1: She frequently alluded to secret information that she had been 526 00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:52,880 Speaker 1: privy to with making statements like quote. Two new pieces 527 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:55,600 Speaker 1: of info suggest that important strides forward are being made. 528 00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:58,239 Speaker 1: She wrote on March twenty, two thousand, you are well 529 00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:01,120 Speaker 1: advised to get ready. I have person really been reprogramming 530 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:03,440 Speaker 1: my old ideas about prosperity so that I am ready 531 00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:07,600 Speaker 1: to wisely steward this great abundance. So I want to 532 00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:09,880 Speaker 1: pause here for a second and make a couple of comparisons. 533 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:12,040 Speaker 1: Number One, she's saying kind of the same things that 534 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:14,600 Speaker 1: Romptha saying, And she's a student of Rampa, both in 535 00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:17,040 Speaker 1: terms of her spiritual beliefs and in terms of how 536 00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:20,640 Speaker 1: she grifts people. But what's happening here with Omega is 537 00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,120 Speaker 1: a lot like what you see happening with Q and On. Right, 538 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:25,760 Speaker 1: with Q and On, you have the people who started 539 00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:27,640 Speaker 1: it and who have been keeping it going, who obviously 540 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:29,800 Speaker 1: have some sort of grift going on right, they benefit 541 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:31,680 Speaker 1: in some way from this. But then you have all 542 00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:35,600 Speaker 1: these people like Praying medic who have like latched onto 543 00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:38,120 Speaker 1: the grift and made money from it by doing like 544 00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:40,959 Speaker 1: what she's doing. Right, they don't do newsletters so much anymore, 545 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,040 Speaker 1: because that's not the grift, but they have Twitter accounts 546 00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:46,640 Speaker 1: and YouTube channels that they monetize telling people about this, 547 00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:51,520 Speaker 1: basically latching onto this over grift and creating their own 548 00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:54,000 Speaker 1: side grifts out of it. And that's that's I'm not 549 00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:56,800 Speaker 1: going to say that what's happening with Omega right now 550 00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:59,480 Speaker 1: is the first time that this happens, but it's the 551 00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:01,480 Speaker 1: first time that it happens that I'm aware of in 552 00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:04,120 Speaker 1: a way that it really resembles what we see happening 553 00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:06,280 Speaker 1: with Q and on. I don't know if I'm going like, 554 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:09,560 Speaker 1: there's a lot happening here, so I understand if this 555 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:11,959 Speaker 1: is kind of confusing. Do you have any questions about like, 556 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:14,320 Speaker 1: what's going on at this stage? Oh my god, this 557 00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:19,600 Speaker 1: gave me such a school flashback. Do you have any 558 00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:24,280 Speaker 1: questions before we move on? Yeah? I mean, I think 559 00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:28,080 Speaker 1: this is important because this is not always the way 560 00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:31,480 Speaker 1: that grifts have worked in the United States. The fact 561 00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:33,520 Speaker 1: that this is a mix of a you've got this 562 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:37,160 Speaker 1: financial con right, that's just about getting money from people, 563 00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:40,120 Speaker 1: but the con wraps itself in this God gave me 564 00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:43,480 Speaker 1: this message and we're fighting the system thing and then 565 00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:46,560 Speaker 1: it gets caught up in this. I'm channeling the spirits 566 00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:49,760 Speaker 1: of dead Warriors thing. And you have individuals who are 567 00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:52,120 Speaker 1: not a part of the original grift latch onto it 568 00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:56,360 Speaker 1: and start making money by selling information about the over grift. 569 00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:59,280 Speaker 1: That's all very Q and on. That's very modern, and 570 00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:01,440 Speaker 1: it's starting to happen here for the first time that 571 00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:04,200 Speaker 1: I'm aware of in a really organized way. Well, I 572 00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:07,720 Speaker 1: mean the combo. Yeah, but if you think about how, 573 00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:12,840 Speaker 1: like I mean, God and grifting just go together absolutely, 574 00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:18,120 Speaker 1: like TV spirituality and grifting. Yeah, tell, evangelists have been 575 00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:21,080 Speaker 1: doing this forever, and even before that in person people 576 00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:23,600 Speaker 1: were doing that forever, like come to my tent and 577 00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:26,160 Speaker 1: I'll fucking fleece you for everything you got, and then 578 00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:29,000 Speaker 1: I'm gonna throw in some supernatural stuff, show you how 579 00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:31,760 Speaker 1: I just made someone walk, and like boom bam boom, 580 00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:35,400 Speaker 1: like I've got absolute money. But yeah, combining it with 581 00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:38,560 Speaker 1: all of this other stuff is what's like, Yeah, and 582 00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:41,320 Speaker 1: and combining it with this starts the guy who's initially 583 00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:46,120 Speaker 1: grifting is trying to get small town Christian Midwesterners to 584 00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:49,160 Speaker 1: give him money. So it's a very Christian grift. Ramatha 585 00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:52,080 Speaker 1: is not a Christian grift right like that, Once you 586 00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:55,240 Speaker 1: start channeling the spirits of debt and channeling aliens, all 587 00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:57,440 Speaker 1: of this stuff comes into it. You have these two 588 00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:01,440 Speaker 1: different segments intermingling, which is what again you're saying with 589 00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:03,160 Speaker 1: Q and On. There's people who are part of Q 590 00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:06,240 Speaker 1: who like the Q shaman. Right, that guy is not 591 00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:09,479 Speaker 1: a traditional Christian grifter or whatever, like that guy believes 592 00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:12,120 Speaker 1: some all some weird Norse pagan ship. But it all 593 00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:14,680 Speaker 1: gets folded into the same over grift. It all gets 594 00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:19,120 Speaker 1: to coexist within this space of unreality. Um. And that's 595 00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:22,240 Speaker 1: why it's so Number one, it's why people who get 596 00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:25,040 Speaker 1: pulled into that can be convinced of stuff like Nazism, 597 00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:27,440 Speaker 1: because if you already accept all of this weird ship 598 00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:29,360 Speaker 1: QU and on, you have to believe to be a 599 00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:32,080 Speaker 1: part of the Q and On Grift, you're more open 600 00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:34,880 Speaker 1: to that stuff. But it also it means that people 601 00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:37,920 Speaker 1: of all different people who you would normally think would 602 00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:41,120 Speaker 1: be enemies, right this the people who believe in this 603 00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:44,840 Speaker 1: kind of there are aliens and I'm channeling dead spirits 604 00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:48,120 Speaker 1: and like I've got like there's these aspects of Hindu mythology, right, 605 00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:50,880 Speaker 1: you would expect those people wouldn't get along with the 606 00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:55,600 Speaker 1: Pentecostal Christian grifting set, but they all can in this 607 00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:58,520 Speaker 1: kind of cultic milieu, and I think that's really interesting. 608 00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:00,400 Speaker 1: And this is the first time you really start to 609 00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:03,840 Speaker 1: see that spin together in a in a cohesive way, 610 00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:07,240 Speaker 1: and I think that's meaningful. You're totally right, And it 611 00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:10,040 Speaker 1: also makes me think about the fact that like the 612 00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:14,080 Speaker 1: things that it's really easy for people to like coalesce 613 00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:20,560 Speaker 1: behind are like our children are in danger, you know 614 00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:23,160 Speaker 1: what I mean, UM, which has been like the thing 615 00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:27,280 Speaker 1: that's been pushing things like or any of like any 616 00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:29,720 Speaker 1: of those shows even that are like the mild version 617 00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:32,480 Speaker 1: of like, we're scaring you about your kids, so you 618 00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:35,640 Speaker 1: watch the show like that's the mildest version of that 619 00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:38,960 Speaker 1: con but like Q and On and the Pizza gate 620 00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:41,520 Speaker 1: Ship is like the high version, but it's all the 621 00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:44,040 Speaker 1: same thing of like you have to be afraid for 622 00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:46,800 Speaker 1: your children. And then the other thing that people really 623 00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:53,400 Speaker 1: can fucking get behind is um money. If someone promises 624 00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:56,840 Speaker 1: you money and how to get rich and become wealthy, 625 00:33:56,960 --> 00:34:00,760 Speaker 1: then a ton of people who don't otherwise like agree 626 00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:04,040 Speaker 1: on much could totally get behind that idea, Like if 627 00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:06,360 Speaker 1: we're all getting money, I'll stand next to a Nazi. 628 00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:08,879 Speaker 1: Fuck it. That's like the mentality, you know what I mean. 629 00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:11,799 Speaker 1: It's it's also I think you're really onto something when 630 00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:14,400 Speaker 1: you talk about these few things that everyone can get behind, 631 00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:17,040 Speaker 1: that makes it easier to get this wide variety to 632 00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:19,319 Speaker 1: funnel people from a variety of sources. And one of 633 00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:22,480 Speaker 1: them is your children are in danger, right um. Another 634 00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:25,600 Speaker 1: of them is the system is fucking you, and I 635 00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:28,120 Speaker 1: have a way to beat it, right um. And it's 636 00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:33,319 Speaker 1: it's I think what the key is that everyone who 637 00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:37,080 Speaker 1: isn't super rich knows the system is fucked, but a 638 00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:39,920 Speaker 1: fairly small number of people are like, the system is fucked, 639 00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:43,120 Speaker 1: and so we shouldn't have a system, right like, so 640 00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:45,960 Speaker 1: so this system shouldn't exist. It's much easier to be like, 641 00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,040 Speaker 1: the system is fucked, but hey, I got a way 642 00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:50,680 Speaker 1: that we can we can become winners in it, right Like. 643 00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:53,080 Speaker 1: All we have to do is stop the barriers that 644 00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:55,320 Speaker 1: are stopping people like us from winning in the system. 645 00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:57,840 Speaker 1: The problem isn't the system. The problem is the barrier 646 00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:01,279 Speaker 1: for me winning the system that the Wall Street bet ship. Right, 647 00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:05,839 Speaker 1: It's also communism. It's literally also communism, and it's like 648 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,719 Speaker 1: and it's most cynical a state. But yeah, but it's 649 00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:11,399 Speaker 1: in the least cynical form. It's like, the reason we've 650 00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:14,920 Speaker 1: been getting fucked as workers have no rights. The way 651 00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:18,840 Speaker 1: to fuck the system is if workers all get together 652 00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:21,600 Speaker 1: and the power of the working man will make the 653 00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:24,800 Speaker 1: system fair. So it's like, not that it's always coming 654 00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:27,160 Speaker 1: from like a bat shit fucked up. No, it's not. 655 00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:29,640 Speaker 1: Because that's a fairly reasonable that might be the right 656 00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:35,440 Speaker 1: way to fix society, but that that's hard and requires 657 00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:38,680 Speaker 1: a kind of that requires not being the kind of 658 00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:42,319 Speaker 1: individualists that Americans are. Because if you're telling if you're 659 00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:44,799 Speaker 1: telling these these Midwesterns like, well you, if all of 660 00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:47,719 Speaker 1: us get together and we all agitate for better conditions 661 00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:52,120 Speaker 1: for everybody, um, that's what will actually fix the system. 662 00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:55,280 Speaker 1: That's a lot harder of a cell for Americans. Then, Hey, 663 00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:57,839 Speaker 1: the system is fucked because you're not able to win 664 00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:00,200 Speaker 1: under it. I have a way you can win and 665 00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:02,080 Speaker 1: then you don't have to care about other people so much. 666 00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:06,520 Speaker 1: You know, that's doesn't say good things about us, But 667 00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:08,319 Speaker 1: I think that's what's going on here, right. I think 668 00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:10,680 Speaker 1: that's why it is hard to get Americans on board 669 00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:13,359 Speaker 1: with the system is fucked. So workers need to take 670 00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:15,640 Speaker 1: over the means of production and easy to get them 671 00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:17,359 Speaker 1: to go. The system is fucked. I got a way 672 00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:23,839 Speaker 1: that we can fun people under it, you know anyway? Um, 673 00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:28,200 Speaker 1: So yeah, Shana Goodwin, Um, the Dove of Oneness starts 674 00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:31,480 Speaker 1: side grifting off of this er grift that is the 675 00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:36,400 Speaker 1: Omega investment opportunity thing of the Jake. So Goodwin was 676 00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:39,360 Speaker 1: deeply influenced, as I've said, with a many aspects of 677 00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:41,720 Speaker 1: the kind of cultic milieu that's forming in the United 678 00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:43,200 Speaker 1: States at this time. And I've used that term a 679 00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:45,400 Speaker 1: couple of times this episode. I used it in our 680 00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:48,280 Speaker 1: lesson on the Satanic Panic. In case you haven't listened, 681 00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:50,359 Speaker 1: I want to grab a definition from a right up 682 00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:53,440 Speaker 1: by the American Institute for Economic Research that explains what 683 00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:56,680 Speaker 1: the term cultic milieu means, because it's very important both 684 00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:58,480 Speaker 1: for this and for what we're dealing with, and it 685 00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:02,719 Speaker 1: sounds sexy. It is hot as funk right quote. This 686 00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:05,480 Speaker 1: is a kind of subterranean world or counterculture with the 687 00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:08,160 Speaker 1: whole range of ideas that are strongly opposed to conventional 688 00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:12,120 Speaker 1: beliefs and knowledge. These included highly heterodox and unusual religious 689 00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:16,640 Speaker 1: systems such as neopaganism or theosophy or Satanism, marginalized political 690 00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:20,080 Speaker 1: ideologies such as neo Nazism, conspiracy theories and theories that 691 00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:23,320 Speaker 1: rejected central elements of orthodox science, such as rejection of 692 00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:28,360 Speaker 1: vaccination and modern medicine, or flat and hollow earth ideas, 693 00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:32,200 Speaker 1: and again, everything that makes up a cultic meliu doesn't 694 00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:33,960 Speaker 1: have to be complete bullshit. A lot of people get 695 00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:37,120 Speaker 1: into this because they start learning about real shady conspiracies 696 00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:40,200 Speaker 1: the CIA was involved in, and because those things are 697 00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:45,200 Speaker 1: actually really wild and nuts, they they think anything is possible, 698 00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:47,160 Speaker 1: and they they are able to buy into stuff that 699 00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:51,040 Speaker 1: isn't true right that there isn't documentation of um. And 700 00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:53,440 Speaker 1: it's you know, the failure of the mainstream media has 701 00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:55,600 Speaker 1: a big part for why this is anyway. That's that 702 00:37:55,760 --> 00:38:00,600 Speaker 1: that's a bigger, bigger story than we can talk about today. Um. 703 00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:03,520 Speaker 1: But that's what's That's what SHANEA. Goodwin is kind of 704 00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:06,760 Speaker 1: she's she's bubbling up from you know, the the Omega 705 00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:09,560 Speaker 1: cult starts kind of in this it's just a very 706 00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:12,600 Speaker 1: simple Christian Midwestern grift. She comes into it from more 707 00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:16,440 Speaker 1: of a kookie West Coast. Uh counter quote. I believe 708 00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:18,960 Speaker 1: in aliens, I believe in channeling thing, but at all 709 00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:22,680 Speaker 1: they're they're all able to come together. So Omega had 710 00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:24,960 Speaker 1: started from a position that its founder had some sort 711 00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:27,520 Speaker 1: of hidden knowledge and that the payouts were being halted 712 00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:30,080 Speaker 1: by a shadowy enemy, and this made it able to 713 00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:33,280 Speaker 1: slot in perfectly with all sorts of other Culti American beliefs. 714 00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:37,880 Speaker 1: Goodwin's Daily Dove updates included references to the ascended Masters, 715 00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:40,400 Speaker 1: people who were once human but had cleared their karmaic 716 00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:43,839 Speaker 1: debt and achieved enlightenment, as well as the dreaded Illuminati 717 00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:46,879 Speaker 1: who were stopping people from getting their Omega payouts. Now, 718 00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:49,000 Speaker 1: both of these concepts have been common in New Age 719 00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:51,799 Speaker 1: circles before Omega, but they kind of get wrapped in 720 00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:53,920 Speaker 1: and they also get sold to Christians in a in 721 00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:58,279 Speaker 1: a big way. So the Master was in Buffy Yeah, yeah, 722 00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:01,319 Speaker 1: I mean again, this in the X Files pulls from 723 00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:03,520 Speaker 1: a lot of this stuff. Right, All of this is 724 00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:06,319 Speaker 1: happening before Omega, but Omega is kind of where a 725 00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:09,440 Speaker 1: lot of things start to boil together. So Rampa and 726 00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:12,279 Speaker 1: his teachings obviously had a big impact on Goodwin. And 727 00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:14,520 Speaker 1: when you dig into Rampa a bit it's clear that 728 00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:17,040 Speaker 1: she had a well he, I guess Rampha is a 729 00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:19,200 Speaker 1: hey jay Z Knight is a she. I think, so 730 00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:23,319 Speaker 1: it's messy um. Rampa had a wide ranging impact. One 731 00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:25,880 Speaker 1: nine six article I found in The New York Times 732 00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:28,640 Speaker 1: quoted a former owner of a string of Burger Kings 733 00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:31,840 Speaker 1: who claimed ramphis teachings had convinced him to give up everything, 734 00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:35,400 Speaker 1: moved to northern California and build a pyramid. And I'm 735 00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:38,440 Speaker 1: I'm broadly supportive of that, because it's probably better to 736 00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:40,200 Speaker 1: build a pyramid in the woods than it is to 737 00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:43,120 Speaker 1: own a bunch of Burger Kinks. But it doesn't hurt anyone, 738 00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:45,600 Speaker 1: whereas Bigger King for sure does hurts a lot. Of 739 00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:50,160 Speaker 1: Burger King is much more harmful than Wooden's pyramids. Yeah, 740 00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:52,040 Speaker 1: so I'm gonna quote from the New York Times here. 741 00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:56,000 Speaker 1: Among other things, Miss Knight's teachings include these precepts. God 742 00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:58,279 Speaker 1: is not a remote entity, but an integral part of 743 00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:01,279 Speaker 1: everything in the universe. Therefore, and himself is divine, and 744 00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:03,840 Speaker 1: as such is able to create his own reality and 745 00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:06,799 Speaker 1: achieve anything he desires. And in the absence of what 746 00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:09,560 Speaker 1: miss Knight calls a judgmental God, you could never please. 747 00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:13,360 Speaker 1: There is no sin and therefore no reason for human guilty. 748 00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:16,880 Speaker 1: I'm sorry. She had me in the beginning, and that 749 00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:19,799 Speaker 1: is how this ship goes in the beginning. You yeah, 750 00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:21,839 Speaker 1: this makes sense. And in the end of the way, 751 00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:23,960 Speaker 1: it's impossible to do bad things. So you should never 752 00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:31,640 Speaker 1: feel guilty for hurting people. Oh I think you might be. Yeah. 753 00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:35,120 Speaker 1: Miss Knight contends that cataclysmic events, not nuclear wars, but 754 00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:38,279 Speaker 1: earthquakes and other natural catastrophes are likely to occur soon. 755 00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:41,000 Speaker 1: As Ramtha. She warns that people should find a safe 756 00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:43,400 Speaker 1: place to live, stockpile a two year food supply, and 757 00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:46,239 Speaker 1: become self sufficient by planting their own gardens. Among the 758 00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:49,280 Speaker 1: safest areas, he asserts, is the Northwest. Because her followers 759 00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:51,120 Speaker 1: do not live in a single community and seldom have 760 00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:53,560 Speaker 1: met one another. No one has determined how many people 761 00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:56,000 Speaker 1: have moved west at her behest, but real estate agents 762 00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:58,719 Speaker 1: and others who have observed the migration estimated number at 763 00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:01,080 Speaker 1: five hundred and fifteen hundred people, many of them middle 764 00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:06,560 Speaker 1: aged women. So that's interesting to me. And obviously cars 765 00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:08,759 Speaker 1: on the table here. I moved to the Northwest because 766 00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:11,760 Speaker 1: I'm afraid of a societal collapse, and for other reasons, 767 00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:13,680 Speaker 1: I'm gonna move there just so I can funk all 768 00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:21,439 Speaker 1: those cougars. Yeah, well past sugar time. I'm just saying, yeah, 769 00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:32,000 Speaker 1: there you go. Um, Mama's gone eat tonight. Uh. I 770 00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:36,279 Speaker 1: think what they're saying about the fact that Rampa is 771 00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:37,880 Speaker 1: getting a bunch of these people to move to the 772 00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:40,440 Speaker 1: Northwest because it's the safest place in the event of 773 00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:44,200 Speaker 1: an apocalypse. This reinforces some of the things I'm saying 774 00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:48,280 Speaker 1: about a cultic milieu, because Rampa's teachings about this, there's disaster, 775 00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:50,520 Speaker 1: there's an apocalypse coming, this is the safe place, so 776 00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:53,320 Speaker 1: you have to move here. In stockpile, that can easily 777 00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:56,279 Speaker 1: lead people towards Nazis, because in this same period, the 778 00:41:56,360 --> 00:42:00,000 Speaker 1: late eighties early nineties, a lot of Nazis who don't 779 00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:03,239 Speaker 1: have wildly divergent cultic beliefs. Sometimes they're also saying, you 780 00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:05,640 Speaker 1: need to move to the Northwest because it's the whitest 781 00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:08,080 Speaker 1: part of the country and because the nuclear war is 782 00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:10,160 Speaker 1: coming and if we're all together, we can create a 783 00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:14,319 Speaker 1: white ethno state afterwards. Right. Um. And I'm not just 784 00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:18,080 Speaker 1: like making this up because I'm always scared of Nazis. 785 00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:21,200 Speaker 1: There's some evidence that jay Z Knight and thus the 786 00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:25,279 Speaker 1: Rampha clet have some kind of Nazi adjacent beliefs. In 787 00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:28,560 Speaker 1: two thousand fourteen, video surface of jay Z Knight saying 788 00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:32,000 Speaker 1: this quote, fuck God's chosen people. I think they have 789 00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:33,920 Speaker 1: earned enough cash to have paid their way out of 790 00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:42,040 Speaker 1: the goddamn gas chambers by now. So, okay, I am 791 00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:45,839 Speaker 1: gonna leave her cult. Okay. I did not come here 792 00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:49,680 Speaker 1: to be disrespected. Yeah, I said, good day, Please send 793 00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:53,920 Speaker 1: me my check. You don't get checks from RAMA. The 794 00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:58,200 Speaker 1: checks flow one way in the Ramphal Wait. But but 795 00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:02,200 Speaker 1: is she white? Jesus, I don't even know. I didn't 796 00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:04,680 Speaker 1: even check because I in my head, I just pictured 797 00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:09,680 Speaker 1: jay Z every time you see her, that would be Yeah, 798 00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:12,560 Speaker 1: she's white as hell. Yeah. Absolutely. She looks exactly like 799 00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:15,520 Speaker 1: you'd expect. She looks like a side character on One 800 00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:21,120 Speaker 1: Life to Live. I think a weird reference, Robert. My mom, 801 00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:26,480 Speaker 1: My mom was there was always so whenever I'd be 802 00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:29,680 Speaker 1: sick at home, soaps would be on. Google jay Z 803 00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:31,600 Speaker 1: Night and tell me she does not look like a 804 00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:33,920 Speaker 1: One Life to Live sidey. Hey, Robert, are these the 805 00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:36,840 Speaker 1: days of our lives? I don't know it was. We 806 00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:41,720 Speaker 1: were a one life to live family. You have allegiances, 807 00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:47,239 Speaker 1: you are a soaped. But seriously, google here, tell me 808 00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:50,680 Speaker 1: I'm wrong. I'm googling her right now, and it's j 809 00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:55,480 Speaker 1: Z the two letters, not not how it's actually she 810 00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:58,279 Speaker 1: came right up. She comes up as American teacher. That 811 00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:02,680 Speaker 1: seems eating. That seems misleading. She does look like she 812 00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:07,600 Speaker 1: doesn't look like what I expected. She looks like Paula Abdul, 813 00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:11,960 Speaker 1: a lot of like Paula Abdul, one of those housewives 814 00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:15,399 Speaker 1: from one of the house yes merged together. She's got 815 00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:20,200 Speaker 1: major housewife face, got the housewife lip plump and fuck 816 00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:24,279 Speaker 1: you bangs. Now, this doesn't directly tie into what we're 817 00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:26,840 Speaker 1: talking about today, but I should note for context that 818 00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:29,879 Speaker 1: also in two thousand and fourteen, whistleblowers revealed that jay 819 00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:32,719 Speaker 1: Z Knight had spent years urging her most devoted followers 820 00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:37,880 Speaker 1: to drink lie Oh my god, make money off of 821 00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:41,080 Speaker 1: them after they're dead, dummy. You gotta mix it with 822 00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:43,400 Speaker 1: ship then they don't quite die. It's like the bleach. 823 00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:46,719 Speaker 1: Oh my god. I'm going to quote a right up 824 00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:49,400 Speaker 1: by Q thirteen Fox here, which is a local fox affiliate. 825 00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:53,479 Speaker 1: Alluding to the teachings at RAMPA, Former follower Virginda Coverdale said, 826 00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:55,920 Speaker 1: we're more powerful than we realize. Our brain can do 827 00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:58,239 Speaker 1: all sorts of things, quantum theory. These things are what 828 00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:00,480 Speaker 1: excited me and a lot of other people that got involved. 829 00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:03,319 Speaker 1: Coverdale said her family started Following Night more than three 830 00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:05,880 Speaker 1: decades ago. She said members were encouraged to drink a 831 00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:09,160 Speaker 1: concoction of dead seawater mixed with red devil lie to 832 00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:12,160 Speaker 1: enlighten themselves. She said her mother and brother were among 833 00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:14,759 Speaker 1: of those who drank the like incoction. This wasn't just 834 00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:17,239 Speaker 1: a one time thing, Coverdale said. They We're taking it 835 00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:19,680 Speaker 1: for five years, and Rampa at one point told them 836 00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:21,560 Speaker 1: to chug it because it's not just a teaspoon in 837 00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:24,480 Speaker 1: the morning. In the evening, people were losing their hair. 838 00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:31,960 Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's so funny if I joined your 839 00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:35,080 Speaker 1: cult and then I went bald. Yeah, because of the 840 00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:38,919 Speaker 1: poison you made me drinking piste. See, this is why 841 00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:42,000 Speaker 1: in my cult, all we make you chug is Highlands, 842 00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:46,600 Speaker 1: all natural baby killing pills. The only kill I made 843 00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:49,359 Speaker 1: my followers, but chug them. That's how I know they 844 00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:54,399 Speaker 1: really loved me. See, you when I say it. It's 845 00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:57,919 Speaker 1: funny when you say she doesn't like it, though. It's 846 00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:03,960 Speaker 1: funny when you say it because Robert's face goes well, Oh, 847 00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:08,440 Speaker 1: I missed making Robert blush in person. It was a 848 00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:13,920 Speaker 1: delightful experience. It's such a sweet baby. Look at him. 849 00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:19,360 Speaker 1: Uh shucks, he's blushed again. We we veered off track 850 00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:21,839 Speaker 1: in a couple of ways here, um, and I hope 851 00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:24,279 Speaker 1: this all hasn't been too confusing, because there's a lot 852 00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:27,320 Speaker 1: to get out and like late nineties, early two thousands, 853 00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:29,719 Speaker 1: conspiracy culture is one of the things that I love 854 00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:33,680 Speaker 1: talking about the most, um. But it's it's it's messy. 855 00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:38,160 Speaker 1: It's important though, because it is now mainstream Republican politics, um, 856 00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:42,839 Speaker 1: and probably increasingly mainstream democratic politics too, unfortunately. So I 857 00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:45,400 Speaker 1: know a lot of people are wondering, right now, what 858 00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:47,680 Speaker 1: does this all have to do with NESSA what we 859 00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:49,880 Speaker 1: started talking about at the top of the episode, right, 860 00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:53,680 Speaker 1: we kind of lost that thread. We're getting there now. 861 00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:57,040 Speaker 1: By nine, it was obvious to Clyde and his fellows 862 00:46:57,040 --> 00:46:59,799 Speaker 1: who had started Omega, that the law was closing. In 863 00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:03,280 Speaker 1: his prerecorded messages to his followers started filling with warnings 864 00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:07,279 Speaker 1: of government interference from numerous individuals and entities who wanted 865 00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:10,239 Speaker 1: to ensure his investments failed to pay out. When his 866 00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:12,560 Speaker 1: marks would complain online about the fact that years had 867 00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:15,200 Speaker 1: gone by without a promise payment, he would accuse them 868 00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:18,080 Speaker 1: of being part of the conspiracy against Omega, or threatened 869 00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:20,320 Speaker 1: them that by doubting him, they were hurting their chances 870 00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:24,200 Speaker 1: of receiving their payout. Most Omega investors stayed on board. 871 00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:26,319 Speaker 1: They kept putting in money right up to the end. 872 00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:28,960 Speaker 1: Many of them mailed it wrapped in aluminum foil to 873 00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:34,120 Speaker 1: prevent their shadowy enemies from seeing it. I know, that's 874 00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:39,160 Speaker 1: that's some good ship, right, that's the ship we all love. Yeah. 875 00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:42,040 Speaker 1: So the millennium turned and the year two thousand came 876 00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:44,920 Speaker 1: and for the last speake off, I wrap my vagina 877 00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:48,640 Speaker 1: in foil um. I will never get raped because my 878 00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:52,600 Speaker 1: vagina will be invisible. Uh, well, you won't get raped 879 00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:56,920 Speaker 1: by the globalists. That doesn't seem worth it them, won 880 00:47:57,680 --> 00:48:00,560 Speaker 1: Alex Jones. There's only about six thousand and of them. 881 00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:04,640 Speaker 1: So yeah, no, that's not not really comprehensive protections. Do 882 00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:07,360 Speaker 1: better with a thirty eight. Will put your vagina in 883 00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:12,560 Speaker 1: a microwave? Self? No, but don't worry. Even without it, 884 00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:19,120 Speaker 1: this ship's gonna blow up. I'm sorry, I'm not at hilarious. 885 00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:23,560 Speaker 1: So by the year two thousand, Clyde Hood and his 886 00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:27,560 Speaker 1: lieutenants had spent about six years grifting millions of dollars 887 00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:31,960 Speaker 1: from you know, credulous people and putting it into their 888 00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:34,720 Speaker 1: own bank accounts and into the small town of Mattune, 889 00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:37,040 Speaker 1: which was doing quite well as a result of this grift. 890 00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:40,480 Speaker 1: By two thousand, they'd taken at least twelve point five 891 00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:43,359 Speaker 1: million dollars. This is the point at which federal law 892 00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:46,200 Speaker 1: enforcement finally caught up with them and arrested Clyde, as 893 00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:50,200 Speaker 1: well as ten other people in Matune, including the deputy sheriff, 894 00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:53,719 Speaker 1: a former police officer, a minister, and a lawyer. Eight 895 00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:56,360 Speaker 1: people who lived outside of the town were also arrested. 896 00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:59,880 Speaker 1: The trial almost immediately went off the rails when prosecutors 897 00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:02,880 Speaker 1: asked Clyde what fortune companies he'd worked for, because he 898 00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:05,600 Speaker 1: had told people he'd worked for several Hood answered that 899 00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:07,840 Speaker 1: he could not remember the names of the companies that 900 00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:10,400 Speaker 1: he'd worked for, but stated that they were in the 901 00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:13,719 Speaker 1: New York area or the Florida area, probably, which is 902 00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:17,680 Speaker 1: an amazing response under oath, So you told investors you 903 00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:20,520 Speaker 1: worked for multiple Fortune five hundred companies. Which were they, Oh, 904 00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:23,040 Speaker 1: I don't know, Probably they were in New York, maybe Florida. 905 00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:29,440 Speaker 1: It's incredible. The New York Times chronicles just how bizarre 906 00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:33,080 Speaker 1: the whole affair became. Quote in an especially odd aspect 907 00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:34,759 Speaker 1: of the case, Mr Hood and two of the other 908 00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:37,560 Speaker 1: defendants have apparently tried to assert that the United States 909 00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:40,480 Speaker 1: government does not exist as a grand jury was convened. 910 00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:43,880 Speaker 1: They mailed papers to prosecutors, court clerks, mattun police officers, 911 00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:46,760 Speaker 1: the county sheriff, and the United States Supreme Courts stating 912 00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:51,200 Speaker 1: that any judicial preceding determination, ruling, order, decree, entry, penalty, fine, 913 00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:54,120 Speaker 1: or arrest warrants which issues from these courts is nolan void. 914 00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:58,160 Speaker 1: Investigators also found identity cards with pictures and signatures of 915 00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:01,640 Speaker 1: Mr Hood and another defendant, Lean Faust Diamond, a sixty 916 00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:03,799 Speaker 1: three year old real estate and insurance agent from Los 917 00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:07,440 Speaker 1: Angeles who solicited investments for Omega. The cards identified Mr 918 00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:10,680 Speaker 1: Hood and Ms Diamond as Ambassador and Minister of Justice 919 00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:13,840 Speaker 1: for the Free State of Eden. Prosecutors said Ms Diamond 920 00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:15,680 Speaker 1: tried to use her card to claim a kind of 921 00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:18,880 Speaker 1: diplomatic community and get out of submitting handwritten and fingerprint 922 00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:21,759 Speaker 1: samples to the grand jury. Mr Hood testified in court 923 00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:23,799 Speaker 1: on Thursday that he signed the card as a joke, 924 00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:30,440 Speaker 1: since how about the irony of not acknowledging the United 925 00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:34,760 Speaker 1: States and then sending paperwork to the United States Supreme Court. 926 00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:39,239 Speaker 1: It is funny, right, I acknowledge that you're trying to 927 00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:41,920 Speaker 1: get me to do something, but I also don't acknowledge 928 00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:44,279 Speaker 1: you even though I'm sending you paperwork. I mean, And 929 00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:46,680 Speaker 1: it's the same in the same way that like, sovereign 930 00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:49,480 Speaker 1: citizenship wasn't part of Q and On at first, but 931 00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:51,840 Speaker 1: got absorbed into it, and now a bunch of Q 932 00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:54,200 Speaker 1: people will talk sovereign citizenship, just like a bunch of 933 00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:57,399 Speaker 1: Black Israelites will talk sovereign citizenship. Right, it all, all 934 00:50:57,440 --> 00:51:00,040 Speaker 1: of these things are infectious, no matter even though the 935 00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:02,920 Speaker 1: original sovereign citizens were a lot of them were super 936 00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:06,160 Speaker 1: racist and like not at all, like very big at 937 00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:10,200 Speaker 1: it against black people. Also groups of like like like 938 00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:12,759 Speaker 1: like black Israelites. Right that this like fringe cult that 939 00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:15,400 Speaker 1: believes that like black people are the real Jewish people, 940 00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:18,000 Speaker 1: and actual Jewish people are like it's some sort of 941 00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:20,759 Speaker 1: like historic scam. There was a shooting based around this 942 00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:23,000 Speaker 1: a year or two ago. Um and I think New 943 00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:25,879 Speaker 1: Jersey a lot of those people get into sovereign citizen 944 00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:28,240 Speaker 1: stuff because it doesn't matter how it started. It matters 945 00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:30,360 Speaker 1: that once you're in that kind of like cult it 946 00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:33,640 Speaker 1: conspiratorial mind state, you'll just suck all of this stuff in. 947 00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:37,279 Speaker 1: It all seems more credible to you, because nothing that's 948 00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:40,080 Speaker 1: credible is credible. It's a it's very frustrating. It's a 949 00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:42,640 Speaker 1: big problem that we have as a civilization that we're 950 00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:45,880 Speaker 1: not going to solve totally. And it's also like the 951 00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:51,239 Speaker 1: same ship as the as every shitty politician who's like 952 00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:58,520 Speaker 1: I am against big government while you're running for office 953 00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:02,680 Speaker 1: against government. Okay, well why are you trying to get 954 00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:07,000 Speaker 1: a government position then, you know, or like, oh I'm 955 00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:09,440 Speaker 1: gonna get in, I'm gonna change it from the inside. 956 00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:13,040 Speaker 1: I'm different. Yeah, you could even draw a line between 957 00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:15,720 Speaker 1: what Clyde is doing. Right, I'm inside this big system, 958 00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:18,080 Speaker 1: but I'm going to break it for you, the little people, 959 00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:19,560 Speaker 1: to like what Trump was doing, where I'm going to 960 00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:21,960 Speaker 1: run this big system to break it for you. You know, 961 00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:28,239 Speaker 1: it god, I people come on. So Clyde eventually in 962 00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:32,239 Speaker 1: court confessed to Omega being an elaborate con. He was 963 00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:34,960 Speaker 1: asked by a federal prosecutor in two thousand one, did 964 00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:37,440 Speaker 1: you get a vision, an actual vision from the Lord? 965 00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:41,600 Speaker 1: And he said in court no, I did not um 966 00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:43,560 Speaker 1: he he was. He was asked, did you ever work 967 00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:46,400 Speaker 1: for a fortune company as a trader? He answered no, 968 00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:48,680 Speaker 1: And he was asked what is Omega? And he said, 969 00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:52,239 Speaker 1: it is a scam, so you had. Finally, in the 970 00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:55,560 Speaker 1: end of this court case, Clyde hood admit that the 971 00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:58,400 Speaker 1: whole thing was a con the entire time. Uh. He 972 00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:00,640 Speaker 1: admitted to being a liar in court was sentenced to 973 00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:03,560 Speaker 1: fourteen years in prison. The Feds confiscated money from him 974 00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:05,719 Speaker 1: and property from him that he and his co defendants 975 00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:08,960 Speaker 1: had accumulated, and they did attempt to redistribute it to 976 00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:12,440 Speaker 1: his victims. Now, a number of people tried, like filed 977 00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:15,319 Speaker 1: to receive restitutions, stated what they donated, try to get 978 00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:18,200 Speaker 1: some money back from the Feds, but more. But the 979 00:53:18,239 --> 00:53:20,760 Speaker 1: more people the Feds reached out to that Clyde had conned, 980 00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:24,600 Speaker 1: the more they ran into a peculiar situation. Many, if 981 00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:30,040 Speaker 1: not no they didn't want their money back, not because 982 00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:33,480 Speaker 1: they were embarrassed. And this is where Shaney Goodwin, the 983 00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:36,799 Speaker 1: dove of oneness, re re enters the story. See. The 984 00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:39,400 Speaker 1: arrest of everyone involved in Omega didn't stop her from 985 00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:41,799 Speaker 1: sending out her newsletter, and it didn't destroy her faith 986 00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:44,399 Speaker 1: in Omega either. On the day of the arrests, she 987 00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:47,560 Speaker 1: sent this out to her followers. Tonight, we were told 988 00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:50,120 Speaker 1: by a very high intelligence agency source that this whole 989 00:53:50,120 --> 00:53:53,840 Speaker 1: thing in Illinois has been staged to try to stop funding. However, 990 00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:56,799 Speaker 1: this case in Illinois totally lacks in any ability to 991 00:53:56,800 --> 00:53:58,919 Speaker 1: stop funding. It is almost a comedy because the whole 992 00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:03,239 Speaker 1: case will disappear instantly, very soon. In all caps, she 993 00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:06,680 Speaker 1: continued to assure people that their promised financial returns were 994 00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:09,840 Speaker 1: still coming. Clydes arrest was yet another attempted by the 995 00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:12,799 Speaker 1: evil people in power to stop thousands of real Americans 996 00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:15,480 Speaker 1: from getting rich. The Feds who were reaching out to 997 00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:18,160 Speaker 1: pay them back the money that they had lost were 998 00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:21,560 Speaker 1: part of the conspiracy, and if they accepted the repayment 999 00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:24,239 Speaker 1: of their investment, they would never get the millions of 1000 00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:30,799 Speaker 1: dollars that they were actually owed. Oh boy, people are 1001 00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:34,360 Speaker 1: giving you a chance to not be stupid idiot. Just 1002 00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:38,880 Speaker 1: take the goddamn chance. No, of course not. This is 1003 00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:40,960 Speaker 1: the FEDS trying to trick me, but giving me back 1004 00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:44,480 Speaker 1: my money. I'm not gonna fall for it. Isn't that 1005 00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:47,640 Speaker 1: so good? People only trick you to take your money. 1006 00:54:47,719 --> 00:54:51,040 Speaker 1: No one ever tricks you to give you money. That's 1007 00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:58,040 Speaker 1: literally leaving money in the FBI's hands, which just so fun. 1008 00:54:58,080 --> 00:55:01,960 Speaker 1: It's so amazing. So the news Tribunes summarizes the dove 1009 00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:05,360 Speaker 1: of oneness is message messages immediately before and after the 1010 00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:09,960 Speaker 1: bus quote as dove, She cited information from unnamed sources 1011 00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:13,600 Speaker 1: and described secret struggles among the world's financial elites, beginning 1012 00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:16,000 Speaker 1: sentences with I have been told, She said, a major 1013 00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:18,800 Speaker 1: European bank had come to Omega's rescue, but a major 1014 00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:21,520 Speaker 1: US bank was fighting the program with every trick and 1015 00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:25,240 Speaker 1: delay possible. U s Supreme Court justices were on Omega's side. 1016 00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:27,600 Speaker 1: An important judge from the East Coast was fighting on 1017 00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:30,719 Speaker 1: their behalf. A group she called the White Knights was 1018 00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:34,080 Speaker 1: waging war against powerful enemies she began to call the 1019 00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:38,240 Speaker 1: Dark Agenda. Between such ominous reports, she called for group 1020 00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:41,160 Speaker 1: prayers and positive thinking. She were linked the instructions that 1021 00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:43,840 Speaker 1: explained how to handle large sums of money when they arrived. 1022 00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:45,919 Speaker 1: She talked about how she would spend her own money 1023 00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:48,279 Speaker 1: when she received it. She would give large gifts to 1024 00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:52,239 Speaker 1: humanitarian causes. So you see what's happening here, right, this 1025 00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:54,760 Speaker 1: is this is cue and on ship there's the white Knights, 1026 00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:58,120 Speaker 1: these good people inside the intelligence agencies, inside the banks. 1027 00:55:58,360 --> 00:56:00,840 Speaker 1: They're trying to get your money to you. They're fighting this, 1028 00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:03,680 Speaker 1: but there's the dark Agenda is trying to fight them. 1029 00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:07,440 Speaker 1: There's this epic battle occurring on your behalf at levels 1030 00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:09,520 Speaker 1: you don't know. But I have secret insight too, and 1031 00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:11,520 Speaker 1: that's why you need to subscribe to my newsletter and 1032 00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:16,880 Speaker 1: give me money. It's cute. Why the knight's got to 1033 00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:20,719 Speaker 1: be white though? Yeah, I mean I don't think she 1034 00:56:20,760 --> 00:56:23,560 Speaker 1: anticipated what internet culture would do to the term white knight, 1035 00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:33,080 Speaker 1: but so uh, it's about that time again. You know 1036 00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:36,680 Speaker 1: who are white knights secretly fighting from within the immoral 1037 00:56:36,719 --> 00:56:41,040 Speaker 1: system on your backs? That's right, that's right, the ultimate 1038 00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:46,440 Speaker 1: white Knights. I don't like this phrasing at all. I 1039 00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:51,400 Speaker 1: love phrasing. I love products and services. They love you too, Robert. 1040 00:56:53,520 --> 00:57:05,000 Speaker 1: They don't kisses for ads ah, and we're back. We're back, 1041 00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:12,480 Speaker 1: and we're all just having a grand time. I love 1042 00:57:12,560 --> 00:57:19,880 Speaker 1: to be bamboozled. I I love it too. So yeah, 1043 00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:24,120 Speaker 1: the FEDS were aware of the dove of oneness, right. Uh. 1044 00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:25,880 Speaker 1: They were also aware that a lot of people with 1045 00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:30,000 Speaker 1: no affiliation with Omega had started selling investment opportunities using 1046 00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:33,640 Speaker 1: Omega's materials, and this continued in some extent after a 1047 00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:36,720 Speaker 1: bunch of Omega people went to prison. Jay z Night 1048 00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:39,160 Speaker 1: Slash Ramtha was very likely one of those people, but 1049 00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:41,440 Speaker 1: we don't really know if she or her cult profited 1050 00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:44,120 Speaker 1: directly by getting their members to invest, and the FEDS 1051 00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:48,200 Speaker 1: opted not to even investigate this. One prosecutor said, we 1052 00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:50,640 Speaker 1: knew that there were more people associated with her that 1053 00:57:50,680 --> 00:57:53,160 Speaker 1: apparently had invested in Omega, but that was not an 1054 00:57:53,160 --> 00:57:56,160 Speaker 1: angle we wanted to pursue because apparently it's very difficult 1055 00:57:56,200 --> 00:57:59,720 Speaker 1: to pursue that angle, which doesn't really mean anything other 1056 00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:01,880 Speaker 1: than you were scared that it was going to create 1057 00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:03,960 Speaker 1: too much of a backlash to go after all these 1058 00:58:03,960 --> 00:58:08,520 Speaker 1: weird culti organizations, and so you let this thing fester um, 1059 00:58:08,520 --> 00:58:11,320 Speaker 1: which is, you know, pretty on brand. We're seeing it 1060 00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:14,680 Speaker 1: now with the capital so when everyone at Omega went 1061 00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:16,919 Speaker 1: to prison, the Dove of Oneness was still out there, 1062 00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:19,200 Speaker 1: speaking to a growing audience of people who wanted to 1063 00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:22,040 Speaker 1: believe that vast riches were headed their way really any 1064 00:58:22,120 --> 00:58:26,120 Speaker 1: day now. Uh. And those people wanted to believe in this, 1065 00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:28,280 Speaker 1: wanted to believe that a day was coming when they 1066 00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:30,680 Speaker 1: would be rich more than they actually wanted the money 1067 00:58:30,680 --> 00:58:33,480 Speaker 1: they'd invested back, because that amount of money wouldn't make 1068 00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:36,720 Speaker 1: them rich, you know, they wanted the hope. That's really 1069 00:58:36,800 --> 00:58:41,360 Speaker 1: what the once Omega, the actual grift collapses, the people 1070 00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:43,760 Speaker 1: like the Dove of Oneness who are latching onto it. 1071 00:58:44,040 --> 00:58:46,200 Speaker 1: That's what they keep selling these people is the idea 1072 00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:48,640 Speaker 1: that no, no, no, you're still going to get rich. 1073 00:58:48,880 --> 00:58:51,920 Speaker 1: You just have to be patient, trust the plan and 1074 00:58:52,040 --> 00:58:57,800 Speaker 1: stay calm and you'll get your money. So at this point, 1075 00:58:59,160 --> 00:59:06,320 Speaker 1: get fucking fisted. Not really a good plan. I nah, 1076 00:59:06,560 --> 00:59:10,160 Speaker 1: it's a shame. So, now that they were untethered from Clyde, 1077 00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:13,600 Speaker 1: the Dove of Oneness took a scam that had already 1078 00:59:13,640 --> 00:59:17,080 Speaker 1: always relied on religious imagery and started building it into 1079 00:59:17,080 --> 00:59:19,720 Speaker 1: a holy war. So she starts off as like again 1080 00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:23,160 Speaker 1: like a Remora parasite, leaching off of this scam, but 1081 00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:28,320 Speaker 1: once the core scam collapses, she spins her side scam 1082 00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:31,560 Speaker 1: into a whole new thing. Um and this is kind 1083 00:59:31,600 --> 00:59:34,840 Speaker 1: of where Nessa comes back into the story. On July seventeenth, 1084 00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:38,240 Speaker 1: two thousand, she wrote this in one of her newsletter updates. 1085 00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:40,920 Speaker 1: I know that I am receiving information because the divine 1086 00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:43,959 Speaker 1: power behind getting Omega to us all once the group 1087 00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:46,200 Speaker 1: prayers to continue. So I have been given a message 1088 00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:48,640 Speaker 1: of passing on as much information as I can without 1089 00:59:48,680 --> 00:59:53,800 Speaker 1: jeopardizing the safety of the processes for our benefit. She 1090 00:59:53,840 --> 00:59:56,760 Speaker 1: continued to share her growing following that the payouts were imminent. 1091 00:59:57,040 --> 01:00:01,760 Speaker 1: She told people that the prosperity deliveries were coming any day, um. 1092 01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:04,680 Speaker 1: Over and over. She told Omega investors that prosperity deliveries 1093 01:00:04,680 --> 01:00:06,840 Speaker 1: would arrive any day. She and others sometimes referred to 1094 01:00:06,920 --> 01:00:09,880 Speaker 1: Omega in a kind of typewritten code, mixing numbers and numerals, 1095 01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:15,400 Speaker 1: calling it OH or the Big OH. On July ever 1096 01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:19,840 Speaker 1: made anyone come in that in that group. On July 1097 01:00:19,960 --> 01:00:23,160 Speaker 1: two thousand, she said members of the Big Program with 1098 01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:25,760 Speaker 1: the the O and program with a zero could expect 1099 01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:28,439 Speaker 1: deliveries by July thirty one. On August four, she said 1100 01:00:28,440 --> 01:00:30,960 Speaker 1: deliveries were imminent. On August seven, she said deliveries were 1101 01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:34,720 Speaker 1: scheduled for the end of the week. And then in 1102 01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:37,720 Speaker 1: two thousand one, the best thing ever happened. Do you 1103 01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:42,480 Speaker 1: know what that was, Sophia nine eleven? It was nine eleven. 1104 01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:44,280 Speaker 1: You're right, that was the best thing ever for for 1105 01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:46,960 Speaker 1: the Deaf of Oneness and her cult. I mean, I 1106 01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:51,480 Speaker 1: feel like you're setting me up for a trap there, 1107 01:00:51,520 --> 01:00:54,440 Speaker 1: because now there's literally record of me saying that the 1108 01:00:54,520 --> 01:00:58,760 Speaker 1: best thing ever in two thousand one was eleven. But 1109 01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:06,080 Speaker 1: just that audio, I know, But really it's that it's you, Robert, Yeah, 1110 01:01:06,680 --> 01:01:12,000 Speaker 1: I too, m m m, A cultic manipulator. Sony eleven 1111 01:01:12,040 --> 01:01:14,160 Speaker 1: was a bad day for most people, but if you 1112 01:01:14,200 --> 01:01:17,160 Speaker 1: were all Quita, a whale or a new age conspiracy grifter, 1113 01:01:17,560 --> 01:01:21,200 Speaker 1: it was money. Christmas, the Dove of Oneness immediately knew 1114 01:01:21,200 --> 01:01:23,320 Speaker 1: how to profit off of this tragedy, and she lost 1115 01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:26,000 Speaker 1: no time in blasting out a post nine eleven newsletter. 1116 01:01:26,080 --> 01:01:28,080 Speaker 1: I'm going to quote now from a wonderful write up 1117 01:01:28,080 --> 01:01:31,840 Speaker 1: in Logically, which discusses the history of nessra and heavily 1118 01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:35,000 Speaker 1: sights Sean Robinson's two thousand four article for The News Tribute, 1119 01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:39,320 Speaker 1: which we've used earlier as a source quote. On September eleven, two, 1120 01:01:39,600 --> 01:01:42,400 Speaker 1: one mere hours after the World Trade Center in Pentagon attacks, 1121 01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:45,640 Speaker 1: Dove posted the message that made her a star. The 1122 01:01:45,720 --> 01:01:48,320 Speaker 1: three targets today we're all connected to ness Era and 1123 01:01:48,360 --> 01:01:51,360 Speaker 1: the banking changes. I learned just learned that at nine 1124 01:01:51,400 --> 01:01:53,320 Speaker 1: am in New York this morning, there was an important 1125 01:01:53,320 --> 01:01:55,640 Speaker 1: banking activities set to be activated in the I m 1126 01:01:55,720 --> 01:01:58,880 Speaker 1: F Nation International Banking Computer Center in the World Trade Center. 1127 01:01:59,120 --> 01:02:01,720 Speaker 1: This was obviously why the World Trade Center was attacked 1128 01:02:01,760 --> 01:02:04,960 Speaker 1: today at just before and after nine am. The orders 1129 01:02:04,960 --> 01:02:07,280 Speaker 1: for those plate attacks came from US citizens who are 1130 01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:10,120 Speaker 1: trying to stop our deliveries slash the funding of ness Era. 1131 01:02:11,120 --> 01:02:15,920 Speaker 1: So what Goodwin does. She She comes becomes aware of 1132 01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:18,720 Speaker 1: nessar in the late nineties, and while it had originally 1133 01:02:18,760 --> 01:02:20,520 Speaker 1: just been this one guy's plan for how to fix 1134 01:02:20,560 --> 01:02:23,240 Speaker 1: the economy, she turns it into she she ties it 1135 01:02:23,280 --> 01:02:26,280 Speaker 1: to Omega and says that like ness Era is, this 1136 01:02:26,600 --> 01:02:29,520 Speaker 1: is this plan to fix the economy for the little 1137 01:02:29,560 --> 01:02:31,920 Speaker 1: people that's tied in with Omega, and it was about 1138 01:02:31,960 --> 01:02:35,120 Speaker 1: to be instituted on September eleven, and then the government 1139 01:02:35,160 --> 01:02:37,560 Speaker 1: flew planes into those towers to stop you people from 1140 01:02:37,560 --> 01:02:41,520 Speaker 1: getting your money. And of course, as Robinson noted, Goodwin's 1141 01:02:41,600 --> 01:02:44,840 Speaker 1: legion of followers bought into her story and Moss prompted 1142 01:02:44,840 --> 01:02:47,440 Speaker 1: by Goodwin, they would go on to send letters, postcards, 1143 01:02:47,480 --> 01:02:50,200 Speaker 1: and emails to the U. S. Supreme Court, the Pentagon Congress, 1144 01:02:50,200 --> 01:02:54,440 Speaker 1: to international justice organizations. They would stand at protests, wave banners, 1145 01:02:54,480 --> 01:02:57,840 Speaker 1: pass out flyers, and hold demonstrations on three continents demanding 1146 01:02:57,840 --> 01:03:00,640 Speaker 1: the announcement of a secret law that did not exist. 1147 01:03:01,240 --> 01:03:03,680 Speaker 1: See the deaf of one that started telling people that 1148 01:03:03,720 --> 01:03:06,479 Speaker 1: not only like NESSRA was not just some guys planned 1149 01:03:06,480 --> 01:03:08,240 Speaker 1: for how to fix the economy, it was a law 1150 01:03:08,280 --> 01:03:11,240 Speaker 1: that Congress had secretly voted to approve, and that the 1151 01:03:11,320 --> 01:03:13,720 Speaker 1: nine eleven attacks had been carried out in order to 1152 01:03:13,720 --> 01:03:21,520 Speaker 1: stop from being instituted. And it's all very frustrating. Um yeah, 1153 01:03:21,880 --> 01:03:24,360 Speaker 1: uh So, during my research into this, I came across 1154 01:03:24,360 --> 01:03:27,160 Speaker 1: a very interesting two thousand five documentary called Waiting for 1155 01:03:27,280 --> 01:03:29,840 Speaker 1: ness Era. It covers a chunk of this and it 1156 01:03:29,880 --> 01:03:32,880 Speaker 1: mostly focuses around a small group of NESSRA believers in 1157 01:03:32,920 --> 01:03:36,760 Speaker 1: Salt Lake City, Utah. The documentary is technically kind of rough. 1158 01:03:36,840 --> 01:03:39,840 Speaker 1: The audio is particularly crewed by modern standards, but I 1159 01:03:39,840 --> 01:03:42,160 Speaker 1: think it's a pretty priceless documentation of a lot of 1160 01:03:42,160 --> 01:03:44,600 Speaker 1: the problems currently tearing this nation apart when they were 1161 01:03:44,600 --> 01:03:48,200 Speaker 1: still in an embryonic stage. Interviews with these Utah believers 1162 01:03:48,200 --> 01:03:50,800 Speaker 1: give insight into how most of the people influenced by 1163 01:03:50,800 --> 01:03:54,000 Speaker 1: the Dove of Oneness interpreted her newsletters. By the time 1164 01:03:54,000 --> 01:03:57,160 Speaker 1: this was filmed, something like three and fifteen thousand people 1165 01:03:57,440 --> 01:04:01,160 Speaker 1: received her weekly newsletter updates talking about Nessra and Omega 1166 01:04:01,240 --> 01:04:03,680 Speaker 1: and the shadowy fight of the White Knights to save 1167 01:04:04,640 --> 01:04:06,880 Speaker 1: you know, the little people and get them their money 1168 01:04:06,920 --> 01:04:11,040 Speaker 1: and stuff. Just needed to get into Harry Potter or something. Yeah, 1169 01:04:11,240 --> 01:04:13,720 Speaker 1: I mean, these were probably people who thought Harry Potter 1170 01:04:13,800 --> 01:04:19,040 Speaker 1: was demonic. Um. So. One of the guys they interview 1171 01:04:19,080 --> 01:04:23,000 Speaker 1: in this documentary is a former Republican fringe congressional candidates, 1172 01:04:23,400 --> 01:04:25,600 Speaker 1: and he states his belief that the Dove of Oneness 1173 01:04:25,640 --> 01:04:29,400 Speaker 1: is a former intelligence agency employee and has deep connections 1174 01:04:29,440 --> 01:04:31,800 Speaker 1: to the intelligence apparatus and is trying to like one 1175 01:04:31,840 --> 01:04:34,640 Speaker 1: of Again, this is a good person in the intelligence 1176 01:04:34,640 --> 01:04:37,320 Speaker 1: system that's trying to bring us the truth. Now, the 1177 01:04:37,360 --> 01:04:40,400 Speaker 1: White Hats are interpreted by most believers in the documentary 1178 01:04:40,440 --> 01:04:43,040 Speaker 1: as being members of the military and the government fighting 1179 01:04:43,080 --> 01:04:47,160 Speaker 1: to save America from the evil conspiracy that has overtaken it. Again, 1180 01:04:47,200 --> 01:04:50,040 Speaker 1: it's all Q and On ship like you. Many Nessa 1181 01:04:50,120 --> 01:04:52,280 Speaker 1: believers felt that it was part of a divine plan. 1182 01:04:52,720 --> 01:04:55,080 Speaker 1: Most of the Utah believers felt the whole Omega plan 1183 01:04:55,160 --> 01:04:57,880 Speaker 1: had been initially cooked up by St. Germain, who was 1184 01:04:57,920 --> 01:05:00,840 Speaker 1: like a Catholic saint who had died two fifty years ago. 1185 01:05:01,120 --> 01:05:03,360 Speaker 1: So this gets added to it that like the money 1186 01:05:03,440 --> 01:05:06,000 Speaker 1: that is going to come to you because started from 1187 01:05:06,000 --> 01:05:08,680 Speaker 1: an investment fund that this Catholic state saint started two 1188 01:05:09,000 --> 01:05:11,400 Speaker 1: and fifty years ago, and that's going to make everyone 1189 01:05:11,400 --> 01:05:13,840 Speaker 1: in the world rich. But the powers that be don't 1190 01:05:13,840 --> 01:05:15,320 Speaker 1: want you to know about it. And that's why nine 1191 01:05:15,360 --> 01:05:17,959 Speaker 1: eleven happened, right, It all mutates and gets Oh my god, 1192 01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:21,040 Speaker 1: that was the most complicated sentence. I know. I know, 1193 01:05:21,120 --> 01:05:23,240 Speaker 1: there's so much going It's like with Q and On stuff. 1194 01:05:23,240 --> 01:05:26,040 Speaker 1: When you actually try to unravel all this, like everything 1195 01:05:26,080 --> 01:05:30,040 Speaker 1: gets so intermingled and just wild, and all I keep 1196 01:05:30,080 --> 01:05:33,080 Speaker 1: thinking is that these people just like needed a hobby. 1197 01:05:33,240 --> 01:05:37,840 Speaker 1: They needed that. That's that's really where conspiracy starts. It's 1198 01:05:37,840 --> 01:05:40,560 Speaker 1: a mix of people needing a hobby, having the free 1199 01:05:40,560 --> 01:05:43,960 Speaker 1: time for a hobby, and also having the understanding that 1200 01:05:44,040 --> 01:05:49,280 Speaker 1: everyone does that something is wrong, right, and they're not 1201 01:05:49,360 --> 01:05:52,200 Speaker 1: going to try to like fix their community by doing like, 1202 01:05:52,680 --> 01:05:56,600 Speaker 1: you know, acts of service and I don't know, volunteering somewhere. No, 1203 01:05:56,880 --> 01:05:59,120 Speaker 1: that would be like an actual way you can literally 1204 01:05:59,120 --> 01:06:02,920 Speaker 1: improve the world around you well, and doing that, you're 1205 01:06:02,960 --> 01:06:06,040 Speaker 1: not going to be the special hero, right if you're 1206 01:06:06,040 --> 01:06:08,480 Speaker 1: part of a huge group of people trying to agitate 1207 01:06:08,520 --> 01:06:12,280 Speaker 1: in the streets, uh for for societal change, if you're 1208 01:06:12,280 --> 01:06:15,280 Speaker 1: like actually doing the hard work of activism, it's a 1209 01:06:15,320 --> 01:06:17,480 Speaker 1: lot of people who are all willing to like work 1210 01:06:17,520 --> 01:06:19,960 Speaker 1: as part of a collective to try to improve the world. 1211 01:06:20,520 --> 01:06:22,880 Speaker 1: And there's not really a lot of heroes in that, 1212 01:06:23,080 --> 01:06:25,520 Speaker 1: you know, like not a lot of like it's heroic 1213 01:06:25,640 --> 01:06:28,320 Speaker 1: to do that, But it's not the same as feeling 1214 01:06:28,360 --> 01:06:30,000 Speaker 1: like I am one of a small number of people 1215 01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:32,600 Speaker 1: who have special knowledge and that makes me better than 1216 01:06:32,640 --> 01:06:35,560 Speaker 1: everyone who doesn't have that special knowledge. Right. It's again 1217 01:06:35,600 --> 01:06:38,320 Speaker 1: this this kind of cult of individualism, Like that's why 1218 01:06:38,360 --> 01:06:40,280 Speaker 1: this is so much more appealing to so many more 1219 01:06:40,320 --> 01:06:43,680 Speaker 1: people than actually advocating for positive change. What we really 1220 01:06:43,720 --> 01:06:47,160 Speaker 1: need is like some sort of a fake club, you know, 1221 01:06:47,200 --> 01:06:50,400 Speaker 1: like commensa for these people where we can like just 1222 01:06:50,520 --> 01:06:54,120 Speaker 1: send them like trophies and certificates every month and just 1223 01:06:54,240 --> 01:06:57,280 Speaker 1: being like, oh, my fucking god, you just broke a 1224 01:06:57,280 --> 01:07:01,880 Speaker 1: new record for being alive, tim or whatever. Tell them that, 1225 01:07:01,960 --> 01:07:04,720 Speaker 1: like they'll get millions of dollars for donating to this 1226 01:07:04,920 --> 01:07:07,880 Speaker 1: or for investing, but actually they're just funding a mutual 1227 01:07:07,960 --> 01:07:10,640 Speaker 1: aid soup kitchen. They're gonna get grifted either way. They 1228 01:07:10,720 --> 01:07:14,520 Speaker 1: might as well bite food for poor people exactly, like 1229 01:07:14,520 --> 01:07:17,440 Speaker 1: like tell them the money's for something else, and like 1230 01:07:17,680 --> 01:07:19,880 Speaker 1: they're only being asked for it because they're like part 1231 01:07:19,920 --> 01:07:22,400 Speaker 1: of an elite group of people and they just keep 1232 01:07:22,440 --> 01:07:26,120 Speaker 1: sending them different awards and trophies. And it's like I 1233 01:07:26,160 --> 01:07:28,440 Speaker 1: think if they each had a room full of awards 1234 01:07:28,440 --> 01:07:32,080 Speaker 1: and trophies like that might really keep them off the streets. 1235 01:07:32,120 --> 01:07:34,280 Speaker 1: That might really keep them off the streets. Yeah, we do, 1236 01:07:34,360 --> 01:07:36,400 Speaker 1: like the Time magazine thing. We send them each a 1237 01:07:36,480 --> 01:07:38,760 Speaker 1: magazine with their face on it when they donate, you know, 1238 01:07:38,840 --> 01:07:43,640 Speaker 1: the first thousand dollars to a soup kitchen or something that. Yeah, yes, 1239 01:07:43,880 --> 01:07:48,120 Speaker 1: Time magazine covers. Maybe we can like have them like 1240 01:07:48,320 --> 01:07:52,000 Speaker 1: cut ribbons with giant scissors at places that have already 1241 01:07:52,040 --> 01:07:55,000 Speaker 1: been open, but like they don't know. Just get to 1242 01:07:55,080 --> 01:07:57,720 Speaker 1: a park early, you know, in the morning, and be like, 1243 01:07:58,160 --> 01:08:01,320 Speaker 1: you're opening this park. This parks you because of all 1244 01:08:01,320 --> 01:08:03,320 Speaker 1: of the money you invested, You're going to be a 1245 01:08:03,400 --> 01:08:08,120 Speaker 1: rich in ten years. Don't worry. You really have something here. 1246 01:08:08,280 --> 01:08:10,160 Speaker 1: I mean, we've always known we were going to be 1247 01:08:10,200 --> 01:08:14,600 Speaker 1: called leaders. This could be how we do it. This 1248 01:08:14,680 --> 01:08:17,640 Speaker 1: could be how we do it. So one of the 1249 01:08:17,640 --> 01:08:20,519 Speaker 1: reasons I find this Waiting for Necessary documentary interesting is 1250 01:08:20,560 --> 01:08:22,920 Speaker 1: that it shows that like Q and On, Nessara was 1251 01:08:22,960 --> 01:08:26,040 Speaker 1: capable of drawing in people from across the political spectrum. 1252 01:08:26,040 --> 01:08:30,599 Speaker 1: That former Republican president or congressional candidate who described himself 1253 01:08:30,680 --> 01:08:33,360 Speaker 1: as far right but also celebrated that Nesser was going 1254 01:08:33,400 --> 01:08:36,439 Speaker 1: to force President George Bush out of office, stop the 1255 01:08:36,479 --> 01:08:39,360 Speaker 1: war in Iraq, and make Clinton the president again, which 1256 01:08:39,400 --> 01:08:41,599 Speaker 1: is also kind of evidence of how different politics were 1257 01:08:41,600 --> 01:08:45,479 Speaker 1: in those times. Um I didn't see hatred against the 1258 01:08:45,560 --> 01:08:49,280 Speaker 1: left or Democrats or Republicans really. Instead, it seemed to 1259 01:08:49,280 --> 01:08:51,479 Speaker 1: be filled but fueled by a gut feeling that the 1260 01:08:51,479 --> 01:08:54,960 Speaker 1: system was rigged and regular people deserved something like Nessaret 1261 01:08:55,000 --> 01:08:57,840 Speaker 1: to save them from a fundamentally unjust system. I know 1262 01:08:57,960 --> 01:09:00,800 Speaker 1: regular people are getting screwed because I'm one of them. 1263 01:09:00,880 --> 01:09:03,360 Speaker 1: I want to believe that me and the other people 1264 01:09:03,439 --> 01:09:05,680 Speaker 1: like me are all going to get rich and not, 1265 01:09:05,920 --> 01:09:09,120 Speaker 1: you know, think that maybe the whole system is fundamentally 1266 01:09:09,160 --> 01:09:14,120 Speaker 1: flawed in a number of ways. So uh yeah. For 1267 01:09:14,200 --> 01:09:17,519 Speaker 1: about two years or so, Nessar was a big deal 1268 01:09:17,640 --> 01:09:20,200 Speaker 1: in the wackadoo world of New Age nonsense. It got 1269 01:09:20,200 --> 01:09:23,040 Speaker 1: big enough that the actual mind behind the real Nassara, 1270 01:09:23,200 --> 01:09:25,840 Speaker 1: Harvey Barnard, found out about it, and he did his 1271 01:09:25,880 --> 01:09:29,240 Speaker 1: best to push back against this tide of disinformation, publishing 1272 01:09:29,280 --> 01:09:31,599 Speaker 1: a note to the nessar a website that said, if 1273 01:09:31,640 --> 01:09:33,400 Speaker 1: you believe any of that, you might want to start 1274 01:09:33,479 --> 01:09:37,439 Speaker 1: looking for ocean front property in Nebraska. Now. The fact 1275 01:09:37,520 --> 01:09:39,280 Speaker 1: that the guy who had actually come up with Nassara 1276 01:09:39,360 --> 01:09:41,280 Speaker 1: was telling people, no, it's not it's not what you 1277 01:09:41,320 --> 01:09:44,599 Speaker 1: think it is. It's like an economic reform policy. I'm 1278 01:09:44,640 --> 01:09:47,840 Speaker 1: not going to make everybody rich. Um. The fact that 1279 01:09:47,960 --> 01:09:51,080 Speaker 1: he was specifically saying they had it wrong meant nothing. 1280 01:09:51,640 --> 01:09:56,000 Speaker 1: In fact, remained significant up through two thousand four, when 1281 01:09:56,040 --> 01:09:58,800 Speaker 1: dozens of followers were spotted at an anti Iraq war 1282 01:09:58,920 --> 01:10:02,120 Speaker 1: protest waving sign nds with NESSA written on them. It 1283 01:10:02,200 --> 01:10:04,720 Speaker 1: started to fall out of vogue out after the invasion 1284 01:10:04,800 --> 01:10:07,680 Speaker 1: because in part a lot of the like. One of 1285 01:10:07,720 --> 01:10:10,360 Speaker 1: the ways that the necessary conspiracy evolved is that the 1286 01:10:10,360 --> 01:10:13,280 Speaker 1: Iraq invasion is never going to happen. The white hats 1287 01:10:13,280 --> 01:10:15,000 Speaker 1: are going to stop it. Bush is going to be 1288 01:10:15,040 --> 01:10:17,080 Speaker 1: forced out of office, The truth about nine eleven is 1289 01:10:17,080 --> 01:10:19,000 Speaker 1: going to be revealed, and the real America is going 1290 01:10:19,040 --> 01:10:21,479 Speaker 1: to be saved by the monsters who ran things. And then, 1291 01:10:21,520 --> 01:10:26,080 Speaker 1: of course we invade Iraq, and interest in NESSA falls 1292 01:10:26,120 --> 01:10:29,519 Speaker 1: off after that. But NESSARA limped along and it never 1293 01:10:29,640 --> 01:10:33,040 Speaker 1: quite died out entirely. In two thousand eleven, someone started 1294 01:10:33,040 --> 01:10:36,799 Speaker 1: a We the People petition becking President Obama to institute NESSA. 1295 01:10:37,439 --> 01:10:40,240 Speaker 1: Here's what the petition claimed it would do. Number one 1296 01:10:40,400 --> 01:10:42,760 Speaker 1: zero's out all credit card, mortgage and other bank debt. 1297 01:10:43,000 --> 01:10:46,080 Speaker 1: Number two abolishes the income tax. Number three creates a 1298 01:10:46,120 --> 01:10:49,320 Speaker 1: fourteen percent flat rate non essential new items only sales 1299 01:10:49,360 --> 01:10:53,400 Speaker 1: tax revenue for the government. Uh Number four increases benefits 1300 01:10:53,400 --> 01:10:57,679 Speaker 1: to senior citizens. Number five returns constitutional law to all courts. 1301 01:10:57,920 --> 01:11:01,200 Speaker 1: Number six monitors elections and prevents the legal election activities 1302 01:11:01,200 --> 01:11:03,639 Speaker 1: of special interest groups, and number seven creates a new 1303 01:11:03,720 --> 01:11:07,280 Speaker 1: US Treasury currency backed by gold, silver, and platinum precious metals. 1304 01:11:07,800 --> 01:11:11,120 Speaker 1: The petition got six thousand, six twenty three signatures, while 1305 01:11:11,160 --> 01:11:13,840 Speaker 1: above the five thousand signature threshold necessary to earn a 1306 01:11:13,840 --> 01:11:16,960 Speaker 1: White House response. A very polite white Hose White House 1307 01:11:17,000 --> 01:11:20,440 Speaker 1: Aid wrote, thank you for signing this petition. We appreciate 1308 01:11:20,479 --> 01:11:22,920 Speaker 1: your participation in the We the People platform on white 1309 01:11:22,920 --> 01:11:26,160 Speaker 1: House dot gov. The proposals in the National Economic Security 1310 01:11:26,160 --> 01:11:29,080 Speaker 1: and Reformation Act have not been introduced in Congress, and 1311 01:11:29,080 --> 01:11:31,760 Speaker 1: the Obama administration cannot implement a law that has not 1312 01:11:31,800 --> 01:11:34,960 Speaker 1: been passed because again, the whole part of the conspiracy 1313 01:11:35,000 --> 01:11:37,519 Speaker 1: is that the law was passed secretly and they can't 1314 01:11:37,560 --> 01:11:39,960 Speaker 1: tell you that, and nine eleven was carried out to 1315 01:11:40,000 --> 01:11:42,479 Speaker 1: stop it from being enacted. Anyway. I just love how 1316 01:11:42,600 --> 01:11:47,360 Speaker 1: gentle that White House Aid was. Um they were like yeah, 1317 01:11:47,720 --> 01:11:51,800 Speaker 1: they were just so gently, like, um hey, it was 1318 01:11:51,840 --> 01:11:58,640 Speaker 1: like explaining something to a child. It's like, hey, um, laws, Okay. 1319 01:11:58,880 --> 01:12:02,799 Speaker 1: The way laws were is they have to be past. Yeah, 1320 01:12:03,520 --> 01:12:07,599 Speaker 1: they have to exist first. And it's sweet that they 1321 01:12:07,640 --> 01:12:11,360 Speaker 1: didn't like talk down to them, which is like, you know, 1322 01:12:11,360 --> 01:12:13,160 Speaker 1: they could have been like, if you have any understanding 1323 01:12:13,160 --> 01:12:16,080 Speaker 1: of the government whatsoever, you would know that this is 1324 01:12:16,120 --> 01:12:19,320 Speaker 1: fucking bullshit. But they were like, no, sweetheart, it was 1325 01:12:19,479 --> 01:12:25,920 Speaker 1: very sweet, honey, I'm sorry. Is something that gets past 1326 01:12:26,280 --> 01:12:29,880 Speaker 1: and it was just not condescending. And I really if 1327 01:12:29,920 --> 01:12:32,600 Speaker 1: he included a link to the Schoolhouse Rock video on 1328 01:12:32,640 --> 01:12:36,840 Speaker 1: how a bill comes last, just like amen, Amen, meant 1329 01:12:36,880 --> 01:12:39,880 Speaker 1: to be. But the sad thing about this is this 1330 01:12:40,120 --> 01:12:43,479 Speaker 1: beautiful white House Aid is clearly a person who still 1331 01:12:43,520 --> 01:12:47,400 Speaker 1: falsely believes that the actual nature of reality matters at all, 1332 01:12:47,760 --> 01:12:50,280 Speaker 1: and it doesn't. It just doesn't anymore. We all should 1333 01:12:50,400 --> 01:12:53,280 Speaker 1: accept that now, right, reality does not matter. What matters 1334 01:12:53,360 --> 01:12:55,880 Speaker 1: is what you can convince people to believe. As long 1335 01:12:55,920 --> 01:12:57,840 Speaker 1: as they have weapons, All that matters is what the 1336 01:12:57,880 --> 01:12:59,920 Speaker 1: most people with weapons believe. That's the way it is, 1337 01:13:00,040 --> 01:13:03,120 Speaker 1: That's the way it's always worked. This sweet, sweet, beautiful 1338 01:13:03,120 --> 01:13:06,479 Speaker 1: idiot thought that truth mattered, and I'm sorry, I mean 1339 01:13:06,520 --> 01:13:08,559 Speaker 1: it did for a couple more years after that, but 1340 01:13:08,640 --> 01:13:11,360 Speaker 1: even then, by two thousand and ten, it was it 1341 01:13:11,400 --> 01:13:17,280 Speaker 1: was terminal. The truth cancer was was had metastasized. So 1342 01:13:17,680 --> 01:13:20,200 Speaker 1: for a while, that petition seemed like the last gasp 1343 01:13:20,240 --> 01:13:23,800 Speaker 1: of a dying conspiracy theory. But conspiracies never quite die 1344 01:13:23,840 --> 01:13:26,720 Speaker 1: all the way. They just get folded into other conspiracies. 1345 01:13:27,080 --> 01:13:30,160 Speaker 1: Nessa laid dormant until the Trump era, when a conspiracy 1346 01:13:30,200 --> 01:13:32,920 Speaker 1: theorist president and the burgeoning qan On cult provided it 1347 01:13:32,960 --> 01:13:35,719 Speaker 1: with an opportunity to feed and grow again. And now 1348 01:13:36,120 --> 01:13:39,000 Speaker 1: the Nessary conspiracy, which started out as a remora on 1349 01:13:39,080 --> 01:13:41,680 Speaker 1: the Omega grift and then turned into its own conspiracy, 1350 01:13:42,040 --> 01:13:45,720 Speaker 1: started attaching itself romor alike to the q and On conspiracy. 1351 01:13:45,720 --> 01:13:49,559 Speaker 1: It's an incredible ecosystem when you understand it. Oh my god. 1352 01:13:50,960 --> 01:13:54,479 Speaker 1: Uh from logically quote. Every few years, Nessara rears its 1353 01:13:54,560 --> 01:13:57,559 Speaker 1: ugly head, often coinciding with times of economic hardship and 1354 01:13:57,600 --> 01:14:02,120 Speaker 1: often accompanied by its global counterpart, the JESSEA Global Economic 1355 01:14:02,160 --> 01:14:06,160 Speaker 1: Security and Recovery Act. Has managed to merge with other 1356 01:14:06,240 --> 01:14:09,040 Speaker 1: current conspiracy theories that revolve around the baseless and pro 1357 01:14:09,160 --> 01:14:11,479 Speaker 1: Trump q and On, where supporters have co opted the 1358 01:14:11,479 --> 01:14:14,400 Speaker 1: global reset narrative to announce that a new era of 1359 01:14:14,439 --> 01:14:17,879 Speaker 1: debt forgiveness and monetary reform well cash would be replaced 1360 01:14:17,880 --> 01:14:20,840 Speaker 1: with a gold back cryptocurrency would be imminently ushered in 1361 01:14:20,880 --> 01:14:23,599 Speaker 1: by none other than Trump. The fact that Barnard's book 1362 01:14:23,600 --> 01:14:27,160 Speaker 1: has the same name as Trump's electron mantra Drain the Swamp, 1363 01:14:27,360 --> 01:14:29,920 Speaker 1: maybe a coincidence. But the Q and on supporters it 1364 01:14:30,040 --> 01:14:34,680 Speaker 1: reads like evidence o God, just because it's one of 1365 01:14:34,720 --> 01:14:40,200 Speaker 1: the most trite political phrases used and overused for like decades. Yeah, 1366 01:14:40,240 --> 01:14:42,240 Speaker 1: it's like if I, like, if I was like WHOA, 1367 01:14:42,920 --> 01:14:45,960 Speaker 1: someone wrote a song about love, and so did I. 1368 01:14:47,120 --> 01:14:51,000 Speaker 1: This means we're cosmically connected. It's like all the songs 1369 01:14:51,000 --> 01:14:53,519 Speaker 1: are about love, so probably not all every songs about love. 1370 01:14:53,600 --> 01:14:55,760 Speaker 1: It's the only thing is people write songs about our 1371 01:14:55,880 --> 01:15:00,160 Speaker 1: love and whatever Holy divers about so no I know. 1372 01:15:00,280 --> 01:15:03,320 Speaker 1: And then there's that one about the data on a set, 1373 01:15:03,600 --> 01:15:06,280 Speaker 1: the sad one about the dad and his son. Oh yeah, 1374 01:15:06,320 --> 01:15:08,479 Speaker 1: the sad sad one about the dad and his son. Yeah, 1375 01:15:09,040 --> 01:15:13,000 Speaker 1: that's kind of about or whatever. The criddle and the 1376 01:15:13,040 --> 01:15:26,080 Speaker 1: seal of Schoon Son will be together Scott really really fast, guys. 1377 01:15:26,160 --> 01:15:29,440 Speaker 1: So uh yeah. Logically went to the trouble of analyzing 1378 01:15:29,479 --> 01:15:32,719 Speaker 1: the popularity the change in popularity of Nessa and Jessa 1379 01:15:32,840 --> 01:15:36,559 Speaker 1: over the course of uh their analysis of posts using 1380 01:15:36,600 --> 01:15:39,160 Speaker 1: both terms on Facebook over the last twelve months of 1381 01:15:39,160 --> 01:15:41,680 Speaker 1: that year showed a significant bump in the number of 1382 01:15:41,680 --> 01:15:45,160 Speaker 1: interactions he can get eighty five thousand point two interactions 1383 01:15:45,200 --> 01:15:48,680 Speaker 1: by the end of May. Of early posts were from 1384 01:15:48,680 --> 01:15:51,040 Speaker 1: a curious mix of New Age mysticism, pro Trump and 1385 01:15:51,080 --> 01:15:54,240 Speaker 1: nesse groups and upology pages pages that are now finding 1386 01:15:54,320 --> 01:15:57,320 Speaker 1: unlikely common ground under the q and on banner. Posts 1387 01:15:57,320 --> 01:15:59,479 Speaker 1: listed as having the most interactions from the last few 1388 01:15:59,520 --> 01:16:01,960 Speaker 1: months showed just that Q and on groups, right wing 1389 01:16:02,080 --> 01:16:04,559 Speaker 1: Christian ministries talking about Trump decreeing a move to a 1390 01:16:04,600 --> 01:16:07,360 Speaker 1: gold backed currency, and a general air of q and 1391 01:16:07,400 --> 01:16:11,200 Speaker 1: on theories permeating the aforementioned group. What is astonishing is 1392 01:16:11,200 --> 01:16:16,080 Speaker 1: the global reach of the theory. Posts in English, Italian, Polish, Spanish, Greek, 1393 01:16:16,120 --> 01:16:18,280 Speaker 1: and Malay are all present in the top fifty most 1394 01:16:18,320 --> 01:16:21,360 Speaker 1: influential Facebook posts on the topic. Many of these posts 1395 01:16:21,360 --> 01:16:24,559 Speaker 1: have been shared thousands of times. Analysis on Twitter told 1396 01:16:24,560 --> 01:16:27,400 Speaker 1: a similar story. From mid June this year, Nessra and 1397 01:16:27,479 --> 01:16:30,000 Speaker 1: Jessa was the top of three hundred and thirty four thousand, 1398 01:16:30,080 --> 01:16:32,519 Speaker 1: nine hundred twelve tweets, coming from a pick and mix 1399 01:16:32,520 --> 01:16:36,000 Speaker 1: of star Seeds, cryptocurrency gurus, and a Smorgess board of 1400 01:16:36,080 --> 01:16:38,840 Speaker 1: q and On accounts at various levels of dedication, all 1401 01:16:38,880 --> 01:16:42,160 Speaker 1: tweeting with excitement about the inevitable global reset and a 1402 01:16:42,240 --> 01:16:45,000 Speaker 1: variety of languages. The standard Q and On fair of 1403 01:16:45,040 --> 01:16:47,759 Speaker 1: reading into anything from the background of Trump suppress releases 1404 01:16:47,840 --> 01:16:50,880 Speaker 1: is uses proof that debt forgiveness is on its way. 1405 01:16:51,800 --> 01:16:54,640 Speaker 1: And that's kind of where we are now, Sylvia. We 1406 01:16:54,760 --> 01:17:00,920 Speaker 1: can't even get a fucking these motherfucker's talking forgive. It's 1407 01:17:00,960 --> 01:17:04,599 Speaker 1: amazing that they think that Congress is secretly passing all 1408 01:17:04,640 --> 01:17:07,719 Speaker 1: these laws to fix everything, and that's some shadowy cabal 1409 01:17:07,840 --> 01:17:10,519 Speaker 1: is hiding it from you, but also the actual shady 1410 01:17:10,520 --> 01:17:13,040 Speaker 1: bastards who were in charge of the country can't even 1411 01:17:13,040 --> 01:17:17,760 Speaker 1: get you four hundred dollars y'all done by fuck. I mean, honestly, 1412 01:17:18,640 --> 01:17:25,200 Speaker 1: it's so good. It's it's very fun. So I am 1413 01:17:25,240 --> 01:17:28,080 Speaker 1: optimistic about the future. How are you feeling? I feel 1414 01:17:28,080 --> 01:17:30,240 Speaker 1: like it makes me feel like I'm a piece of 1415 01:17:30,240 --> 01:17:32,160 Speaker 1: ship because then I'm like, I feel like I can 1416 01:17:32,200 --> 01:17:35,320 Speaker 1: be a better cult leader, and you can have better 1417 01:17:35,439 --> 01:17:38,120 Speaker 1: conspiracy theories and these other people, and then I'm like, Sophia, 1418 01:17:38,200 --> 01:17:40,760 Speaker 1: why do you want to get in this game? Yeah, 1419 01:17:40,880 --> 01:17:43,439 Speaker 1: It's just like when you see really shitty people doing 1420 01:17:43,479 --> 01:17:45,360 Speaker 1: stand up, Like I've been doing stand up for ten years, 1421 01:17:45,360 --> 01:17:47,519 Speaker 1: and occasionally when I think of quitting, I just think 1422 01:17:47,560 --> 01:17:49,600 Speaker 1: about all the shitty people I know who still do it. 1423 01:17:49,640 --> 01:17:52,679 Speaker 1: And I was like, Sophia, you can't quit when these fucking, 1424 01:17:52,880 --> 01:17:55,800 Speaker 1: terribly unfunny people are still doing it. And that's how 1425 01:17:55,800 --> 01:17:58,040 Speaker 1: I feel. Uh yeah, So I don't need to get 1426 01:17:58,080 --> 01:18:00,960 Speaker 1: involved in the conspiracy theory game. But every time I 1427 01:18:01,000 --> 01:18:03,080 Speaker 1: hear you talk about how dumb this is, I'm like, 1428 01:18:03,240 --> 01:18:07,879 Speaker 1: I need to do it better. Yeah. I mean we could, Sophia, 1429 01:18:08,320 --> 01:18:11,880 Speaker 1: we could be we could be heroes and heroes, we 1430 01:18:12,479 --> 01:18:15,880 Speaker 1: could steal a lot of money from dumb people. I mean, 1431 01:18:15,960 --> 01:18:18,639 Speaker 1: if we could just control what kind of dumb people, 1432 01:18:18,960 --> 01:18:23,200 Speaker 1: then maybe I would do it. Yeah. That's the problem is, 1433 01:18:23,280 --> 01:18:26,040 Speaker 1: no matter what, you're going to wind up destroying the 1434 01:18:26,160 --> 01:18:29,599 Speaker 1: lives and livelihoods of people who are basically nice, just 1435 01:18:32,160 --> 01:18:36,080 Speaker 1: the sweet people. Well, and it's just the problem is that, 1436 01:18:36,600 --> 01:18:38,720 Speaker 1: you know, I get angry at the people who buy 1437 01:18:38,760 --> 01:18:40,960 Speaker 1: into this stuff. I want to I want to mock 1438 01:18:41,080 --> 01:18:42,840 Speaker 1: them and insult them. There's even a part of me 1439 01:18:42,920 --> 01:18:46,120 Speaker 1: that wants to like people are doing some liberals are 1440 01:18:46,120 --> 01:18:48,760 Speaker 1: doing with Texas right now that wants to be like, you, 1441 01:18:48,880 --> 01:18:52,519 Speaker 1: motherfucker's brought this on yourself by not just buying into 1442 01:18:52,560 --> 01:18:55,320 Speaker 1: this bullshit but being like so arrogant about it and 1443 01:18:55,320 --> 01:18:58,400 Speaker 1: and and mocking anyone who told you that it was 1444 01:18:58,640 --> 01:19:03,000 Speaker 1: obviously a grift meant to take advantage of you. But also, like, 1445 01:19:04,080 --> 01:19:09,320 Speaker 1: the the level of unreality that permeates our society is 1446 01:19:09,400 --> 01:19:13,400 Speaker 1: so comprehensive. It is such a thick and deadly fog. 1447 01:19:14,400 --> 01:19:18,479 Speaker 1: I can't blame people who get caught in it. Really, 1448 01:19:19,160 --> 01:19:23,000 Speaker 1: I could be frustrated, Like it's just so powerful to 1449 01:19:23,479 --> 01:19:25,360 Speaker 1: you expect them to do to bring it back to 1450 01:19:25,400 --> 01:19:28,479 Speaker 1: the beginning. Yeah, like my mom and I fell for 1451 01:19:28,600 --> 01:19:32,599 Speaker 1: am Wi. You know, I'm saying, like, you can't blame 1452 01:19:32,640 --> 01:19:35,679 Speaker 1: anybody has a grift that they that they're vulnerable to. Yeah, 1453 01:19:35,760 --> 01:19:39,680 Speaker 1: you can't blame people for uh. I mean, you can 1454 01:19:39,760 --> 01:19:42,360 Speaker 1: blame them if they do reprehensible things that fuck it 1455 01:19:42,439 --> 01:19:44,720 Speaker 1: hurt other people. You should blame the cult leaders, the 1456 01:19:44,760 --> 01:19:47,120 Speaker 1: people like the Dove of Oneness who are who are 1457 01:19:47,400 --> 01:19:52,800 Speaker 1: profiting off of these grifts for sure. Um, And it's 1458 01:19:52,880 --> 01:19:56,879 Speaker 1: just like I don't think we could have imagined that there. 1459 01:19:56,920 --> 01:20:01,880 Speaker 1: I mean, I couldn't have a at what a huge 1460 01:20:02,800 --> 01:20:08,160 Speaker 1: problem there is now between people telling the difference between 1461 01:20:08,200 --> 01:20:13,679 Speaker 1: truth and reality and real news and quote unquote fake news. 1462 01:20:13,960 --> 01:20:16,000 Speaker 1: If we had known it was going to be like this, 1463 01:20:17,200 --> 01:20:20,080 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think. I don't think we could 1464 01:20:20,080 --> 01:20:22,880 Speaker 1: have prepared for it either way. But it just seems 1465 01:20:22,880 --> 01:20:25,920 Speaker 1: insane because at the very least there used to be 1466 01:20:25,960 --> 01:20:29,920 Speaker 1: an idea of, oh, this is obviously bullshit and this isn't. 1467 01:20:30,520 --> 01:20:34,840 Speaker 1: And now it's like, especially older people who get really 1468 01:20:34,880 --> 01:20:39,200 Speaker 1: isolated in their communities, I mean, TV and ship just 1469 01:20:39,320 --> 01:20:42,800 Speaker 1: praise on them and YouTube and like we've already I 1470 01:20:42,920 --> 01:20:52,920 Speaker 1: was shopping network anyway, Well, do you have any plugable stuff? 1471 01:20:53,000 --> 01:20:56,800 Speaker 1: It looks sad, Robert, I am let me boop that 1472 01:20:56,880 --> 01:21:04,719 Speaker 1: little nose boom. Uh yeah, I'm sorry. Just to remember 1473 01:21:04,760 --> 01:21:07,080 Speaker 1: that you're going to get a tattoo. I am going 1474 01:21:07,120 --> 01:21:10,080 Speaker 1: to get a tattoo today. I am going to get 1475 01:21:10,120 --> 01:21:12,400 Speaker 1: a tattoo. And I think I'm gonna buy another big 1476 01:21:12,439 --> 01:21:14,479 Speaker 1: stupid gun. I think I'm gonna get a fifty cow. 1477 01:21:14,600 --> 01:21:17,760 Speaker 1: Why not? Yes, that's that's the that's the math that 1478 01:21:17,840 --> 01:21:22,400 Speaker 1: helps cheer you up. Do you need another gun. It's 1479 01:21:22,400 --> 01:21:26,280 Speaker 1: has been a year since I've needed another gun. I 1480 01:21:26,320 --> 01:21:28,880 Speaker 1: don't know the gun maybe don't do for right now. 1481 01:21:29,800 --> 01:21:33,160 Speaker 1: I need a bigger one. I don't have one that big. Mmmm. 1482 01:21:33,360 --> 01:21:36,680 Speaker 1: That's true. God, you're really just setting Sophia up for 1483 01:21:36,840 --> 01:21:41,840 Speaker 1: so many jokes right now, Like it's about the explosion 1484 01:21:41,880 --> 01:21:46,000 Speaker 1: of conspiratorial thinking and weaponized unreality makes me think that 1485 01:21:46,080 --> 01:21:48,600 Speaker 1: I might actually wind up needing bigger guns than I 1486 01:21:48,640 --> 01:21:53,280 Speaker 1: presently have at some point. You know again enough, it's 1487 01:21:53,320 --> 01:21:55,760 Speaker 1: really hard to do this when I can't give you 1488 01:21:55,800 --> 01:21:59,439 Speaker 1: a hug because you need a hug. That is what 1489 01:21:59,520 --> 01:22:02,439 Speaker 1: I'm reading. I'm going to take drugs and drink more 1490 01:22:02,520 --> 01:22:10,200 Speaker 1: doctors via How Me Again podcast Daddy Well Sophia. After this, 1491 01:22:10,320 --> 01:22:12,479 Speaker 1: we're going to get into a book. We're doing another 1492 01:22:12,479 --> 01:22:16,519 Speaker 1: book episode uh for the Thursday episode this week because uh, 1493 01:22:16,680 --> 01:22:20,240 Speaker 1: spoiler alert, not a spoiler. Really, my mom has cancer 1494 01:22:20,400 --> 01:22:23,920 Speaker 1: and I have been in Texas helping the family with that, 1495 01:22:24,200 --> 01:22:26,479 Speaker 1: and I don't have time to write a two parter 1496 01:22:26,600 --> 01:22:28,559 Speaker 1: every week, So we're just going to dig into a 1497 01:22:28,640 --> 01:22:32,760 Speaker 1: book that came out very recently UM called Ness Era 1498 01:22:32,920 --> 01:22:36,280 Speaker 1: and the Mark of the Beast, which looks like it 1499 01:22:36,320 --> 01:22:39,519 Speaker 1: will be a hoot. Isn't Super Long came out in September, 1500 01:22:40,360 --> 01:22:41,960 Speaker 1: and I think we'll get us up to date on 1501 01:22:42,040 --> 01:22:45,120 Speaker 1: how the necessary conspiracy theory has adopted to the world 1502 01:22:45,160 --> 01:22:50,360 Speaker 1: of Q and on cool Weird Time to plug my things, 1503 01:22:51,040 --> 01:22:55,880 Speaker 1: but the way plug it up. You can find me 1504 01:22:56,120 --> 01:23:00,080 Speaker 1: on Twitter and Instagram at the Sophia s O f I. 1505 01:23:00,280 --> 01:23:03,559 Speaker 1: A and I have a podcast about love and sex 1506 01:23:03,600 --> 01:23:07,040 Speaker 1: around the world called Private Parts Unknown. You can follow 1507 01:23:07,160 --> 01:23:11,080 Speaker 1: that and another podcast about ninety de fiance with Miles 1508 01:23:11,120 --> 01:23:15,240 Speaker 1: Great called for Fiance, so check that. And if you 1509 01:23:15,280 --> 01:23:18,120 Speaker 1: haven't bought her comedy album what the funk Are You Doing? 1510 01:23:18,160 --> 01:23:22,240 Speaker 1: It's yeah, by the what are you doing? It's Father's Today, 1511 01:23:22,479 --> 01:23:25,920 Speaker 1: Fucking assholes. God damn it. It comes on in the 1512 01:23:26,000 --> 01:23:28,840 Speaker 1: car when I'm on shuffle, and every time, no matter 1513 01:23:28,960 --> 01:23:32,519 Speaker 1: what food I when it comes on, and it's like, oh, 1514 01:23:32,960 --> 01:23:36,880 Speaker 1: every time, it's so enjoyable. It's like, well, here's some 1515 01:23:36,960 --> 01:23:39,720 Speaker 1: really sad bitch song I'm listening to, and then all 1516 01:23:39,720 --> 01:23:43,920 Speaker 1: of a sudden, it's like you being like, hey, it's great, 1517 01:23:44,800 --> 01:23:48,519 Speaker 1: really recommend I'm excited to listen to it. On my 1518 01:23:48,600 --> 01:23:55,120 Speaker 1: long drive back from Texas through of America, lightful. It 1519 01:23:55,200 --> 01:24:02,200 Speaker 1: will make you feel delighted, Robert so yeah, delight yourself, 1520 01:24:02,200 --> 01:24:07,640 Speaker 1: you fucking rat bastards. Anyway, thank you for listening to 1521 01:24:07,640 --> 01:24:12,720 Speaker 1: our podcast. I love you all, dear you rat bastards. M.