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Speaker 2: The Cleveland Cavaliers fought all night long, but in the
Speaker 2: end they suffered one of their most heartbreaking losses of
Speaker 2: the last few years. Joining me today to break this
Speaker 2: game down is my co host, Carter Rodriguez. Carter, Hey,
Speaker 2: nobody bad? Yeah, Yeah, Yeah. That hurts, man, Like that's
Speaker 2: that's one of those games that you know, we when
Speaker 2: we talk about seasons, when we look back, you know
Speaker 2: on the good times that we have in certain years,
Speaker 2: that's one of those kicks that really really hurts. And
Speaker 2: I really thought that the Cavs came out and gave
Speaker 2: an effort to be proud of. For the majority of
Speaker 2: this night, I thought they left it all on the floor. Donovan,
Speaker 2: you know, basically gave everything that he had physically. I
Speaker 2: thought guys that struggled in Game one came out with
Speaker 2: tremendous effort in comparison to where they were at defensively.
Speaker 2: It seemed like they had a real opportunity to tie
Speaker 2: this series up at one one. You get a couple
Speaker 2: of days off, you're going to Indiana and basically having
Speaker 2: a mentality of hey, we just got to get one
Speaker 2: of these two games in Indy. Then you know it's
Speaker 2: a best of three and we have home court once again.
Speaker 2: But the Cavs now have more of an uphill climb
Speaker 2: as a result of a second chance opportunity by Tyrese
Speaker 2: Haliburn and the game winning shots that he delivered.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you have to call what is to collapse?
Speaker 1: They were up seven with like, you know, forty five
Speaker 1: seconds left or something like that, and and you knew,
Speaker 1: you know, if you're if you're if you've watched enough basketball,
Speaker 1: you know when a team is out of gas, when
Speaker 1: they have nothing left and they are playing the clock
Speaker 1: more than they're playing their opposition. You know, ah, the
Speaker 1: inbounds plays where guys weren't even really cutting. They were
Speaker 1: just kind of standing there, kind of shemy in their
Speaker 1: shoulders and holding their hands up, you know, you know,
Speaker 1: dead legs, lack of ability to shake a Pacers team
Speaker 1: that has done this twice in the playoffs. Now you
Speaker 1: through gritted teeth. You have to give them credit for
Speaker 1: how physical and tough they were. Yep. And you know
Speaker 1: they made every play and you know, before Halliburton shot
Speaker 1: that shot, I knew the game was over. You know.
Speaker 1: It was just one of those kind of endings that
Speaker 1: felt preordained. You know.
Speaker 2: I literally knew that it was going in because I
Speaker 2: got a notification on my phone, which just I hate
Speaker 2: that with delays. Yeah, but I thought once they got
Speaker 2: to seven, I was like, I just don't know if
Speaker 2: they've got this.
Speaker 1: And that's not it's not to make an excuse, you know,
Speaker 1: or to say like you know, like you know when
Speaker 1: you say dead legs, like yeah, I mean and he
Speaker 1: was playing hard too. Yep, they didn't, you know, they didn't.
Speaker 1: It's not like you know, you look at the minutes
Speaker 1: totals on either side of the floor and you saw
Speaker 1: one team with you know, it's not like a Knicks
Speaker 1: box score where you saw five guys with forty six
Speaker 1: minutes and the other team all in the mid thirties,
Speaker 1: and you go, yeah, I get why the Knicks love
Speaker 1: ran out of gas like some extent like Indy game
Speaker 1: and stole there, Yeah, stole their chain, yeah, to end
Speaker 1: the game. And uh, it's uh, it's a freaking killer,
Speaker 1: you know, I feel like right now, you know, And
Speaker 1: it's interesting because in this game, it felt like the
Speaker 1: Cavs were fighting a losing fight against time, and in
Speaker 1: this series they're fighting a losing fight against time. Because
Speaker 1: what it's more important to have won this game two
Speaker 1: help extend the competitive portion of the series more than
Speaker 1: it's important just to just for whatever sliver of a
Speaker 1: chance that Darius and Evan and deonn you know, you
Speaker 1: buy him a couple of days extra of healing and recovery.
Speaker 1: And now you know, if Darius wasn't quite ready to go,
Speaker 1: you got to be like, well, I guess just try
Speaker 1: it in game three. You know, like if you can
Speaker 1: even do that, you know, you like.
Speaker 2: This one, then you're in a position that, Okay, if
Speaker 2: you're not able to go into game four, Like, you
Speaker 2: really just have to get the one in Indy right,
Speaker 2: And now you're in a position where you got to
Speaker 2: get both right, and how do you eat an elephant
Speaker 2: one bite at a time, right, Like you're going to
Speaker 2: have to kind of compartmentalize and say, all right, we
Speaker 2: got to go out and find a way to take
Speaker 2: game three.
Speaker 1: You take game three.
Speaker 2: Once again, you're gonna I can't even say you have
Speaker 2: to get greedy because you're in do it or die time.
Speaker 2: You only have one loss to play with here. But
Speaker 2: you have to have that kind of mentality. And the
Speaker 2: frustrating thing is I agree with Kenny Atkinson's assessment postgame.
Speaker 2: I thought that for the majority of this game, they
Speaker 2: did outplay India. He said his one regret that he
Speaker 2: had was that he shot in the rotation in the
Speaker 2: second half. He felt that, you know, I didn't play enough, guys.
Speaker 2: We ran out of gas. Not only on those inbounds
Speaker 2: where you weren't creating separation, the same thing was happening
Speaker 2: in the half court. And you know, the end of
Speaker 2: the game got extended a lot with reviews, with free
Speaker 2: throws things like that. Indiana was definitely making a point
Speaker 2: the entire night that anytime they were going to foul,
Speaker 2: they were going to make sure that you know it's
Speaker 2: going to be a foul, right, Like Aaron Nesmith is
Speaker 2: putting his arm around guy's necks and he's bringing them
Speaker 2: to the ground.
Speaker 1: There is his leg on on the top of Donovan's
Speaker 1: neck on one particular possession.
Speaker 2: Like they're finishing their checks right like that. That's basically
Speaker 2: the way that they are playing throughout the night. I
Speaker 2: thought the Cavs did a really good job of responding
Speaker 2: that to that for the most part. But you're right, like,
Speaker 2: you got to find a way to get the ball
Speaker 2: in right you're up seven seconds, or you're up seven
Speaker 2: points with fifty eight seconds in the bone and you
Speaker 2: don't get another point, you at least have to find
Speaker 2: a way to get the ball in bounds and get
Speaker 2: a trip to the free throw line because they're going
Speaker 2: to be intentionally fouling and they weren't able to do that.
Speaker 2: You absolutely have to, you know, I think there's going
Speaker 2: to be if I had to guess, there's going to
Speaker 2: be things that we're going to find very frustrating tomorrow.
Speaker 2: In the last two minute report, when Pascal Siakam was
Speaker 2: shooting his free throw. As the ball was leaving his hands,
Speaker 2: Aaron Nee Smith is already at the free throw line, Like,
Speaker 2: that's probably going to be something that's pointed out, not
Speaker 2: something that they could review to be fair when they
Speaker 2: reviewed that play. That's not a reviewable part of that play.
Speaker 2: And then I think the same thing is going to
Speaker 2: happen for Halliburn, who was in the middle of the
Speaker 2: key before the ball touched the rim. You're not allowed
Speaker 2: to do that. I think both of those lane violations
Speaker 2: are going to be called. But you shouldn't have been
Speaker 2: in that position where you could have got burned by
Speaker 2: those things. And that's you know, it's a frustrating reality.
Speaker 2: It's you know, the beauty of basketball, and it's also
Speaker 2: the pain of basketball that what you do for forty
Speaker 2: seven minut is a large part of the story. But
Speaker 2: you got to play a complete forty eight and unfortunately,
Speaker 2: you know, a combination of running out of gas, the
Speaker 2: mistakes that come as a result of that and not
Speaker 2: finding a way to to you know, get the ball
Speaker 2: in bounds and get that trip to the free throw
Speaker 2: line ultimately cost them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think the thing that's really crushing is
Speaker 1: the cost of you know, you know what they spent
Speaker 1: both in terms of their you know, their physical outputs,
Speaker 1: but even just in terms of what they spent in
Speaker 1: terms of the performances they got. You know, donn you know,
Speaker 1: I just don't know if you can count on that
Speaker 1: kind of Donovan performance. Again, you know, he was cramping up,
Speaker 1: he had nothing left. He was exerting so much energy
Speaker 1: every every single second he was on the floor. I
Speaker 1: know he didn't have a crazy high minutes game, but
Speaker 1: you know, that level of offensive output is nuts. And
Speaker 1: like I was sitting watching it and thinking, this isn't
Speaker 1: this isn't the Orlando series from last year where he
Speaker 1: drops fifty in the Cavs don't top one hundred points.
Speaker 1: And you know, I think both you and I left
Speaker 1: that game going that can't be the plan, Like that
Speaker 1: level of ball dominance can't be the plan because because
Speaker 1: there's not enough, you know, there's not enough going on elsewhere.
Speaker 1: And like maybe that was a little bit the case,
Speaker 1: but like Cavs had a one to twenty five point
Speaker 1: six offensive rating with Donovan on the floor in this game,
Speaker 1: like he did elevate their offense. You know, this was
Speaker 1: not just sponging possessions because there wasn't anyone else. He
Speaker 1: really was magnificent tonight, and yeah, I really sorry for
Speaker 1: him to have a game like that wasted.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And what have we talked about so many times? Right,
Speaker 2: when you talk about an offensive possession, if the ball
Speaker 2: swings to you and you're open and you don't take
Speaker 2: the shot, you are, you know, you're hurting the rest
Speaker 2: of the offense. You're likely not getting a good shot
Speaker 2: in that possession. It felt like with Donovan, you know,
Speaker 2: the opportunities he had to go downhill. If he's not
Speaker 2: taking the shot, if he's not you know, getting to
Speaker 2: the rim, if he's not getting to the free throw line.
Speaker 2: That was the best look on those possessions. The Cavs
Speaker 2: had a really you know, a lot of success getting
Speaker 2: into the paint, getting downhill. I think that was one
Speaker 2: of the most encouraging things of this game. And honestly,
Speaker 2: the one consistent thing that they've had against Indiana so
Speaker 2: far is they've managed to get into the paint.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: We saw a lot of guard to guard screening, Isaac
Speaker 2: Ocorrow in particular, getting tied Haliburn involved. Good things were
Speaker 2: coming as a result of that. When three point opportunities
Speaker 2: opened up, Donovan was finding the right guys. It's just
Speaker 2: on the majority of these plays, the best possible option
Speaker 2: was him going up and finishing. But you know, as
Speaker 2: he said, that took a physical toll he I think
Speaker 2: this is a playoff career high for him for free
Speaker 2: throw attempts. Every single one of those attempts was earned.
Speaker 2: Like he you know, he's hitting the ground, He's he's
Speaker 2: being tackled by pacers right like they're making him feel
Speaker 2: it every single time. It's you know, I look at
Speaker 2: this game and when we were talking last night with Lima,
Speaker 2: a lot of what we wanted to see and a
Speaker 2: lot of why I felt the Cavs could come out
Speaker 2: and win this game was what we saw. I've you know,
Speaker 2: Donovan Mitchell stepping up as the best player. You still
Speaker 2: have Jared Allen, who's an All Star caliber guy. He
Speaker 2: goes for a playoff career high in terms of points.
Speaker 2: I thought he had a very strong game. Max Strus
Speaker 2: stepped up in the ways that you want to see.
Speaker 2: Dean Wade I thought stepped up with the hustle plays
Speaker 2: and the defense offense wasn't really there for him tonight.
Speaker 1: But I was.
Speaker 2: Happy with his overall effort. Max Strus and Sam Merrill
Speaker 2: two guys that we identified as not playing well at
Speaker 2: the point of attack. Defensively, I thought both of them
Speaker 2: stepped up in terms of their intensity and their physicality
Speaker 2: on the defensive end. They got the contributions we wanted
Speaker 2: to see. They had a real chance to win this game.
Speaker 1: It's just so deflating.
Speaker 2: And you know, this is the kind of stuff when
Speaker 2: we preview a playoff series and we say I can
Speaker 2: see this going five or six games. This is the
Speaker 2: type of outcome that you know typically extends the series
Speaker 2: where you say, you know, you might have one where
Speaker 2: things just don't go your way. Uh, you have a
Speaker 2: weird finish. Some of it might be your fault, some
Speaker 2: of it might be bad luck. But when you're in
Speaker 2: this situation, it has the potential to do the opposite,
Speaker 2: right because now Indiana has won two games in Cleveland
Speaker 2: and you're facing a real uphill climb to to you know,
Speaker 2: go on the road and extend this series.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean this could be over and four that
Speaker 1: Indi is a really really good home team. They feel
Speaker 1: like they've got this series in the bag. They absorbed
Speaker 1: the uh, the the the Desperation game from Cleveland and
Speaker 1: h Gaves are in real trouble. You know, the fact
Speaker 1: that none of the three injured Cavaliers were able to
Speaker 1: go through shoot around today very very scary. Yeah.
Speaker 2: It was reports that Darius was putting in work on
Speaker 2: the treadmill trying to you know, do some interval training
Speaker 2: and stuff like that. Obviously it didn't respond well enough
Speaker 2: for him to even go out and do the pregame
Speaker 2: shoot around, right. You know, Chris Fiedor was mentioning through
Speaker 2: the day he the sense he got talking to Darius
Speaker 2: was you know, go and give it a try. That's
Speaker 2: you know, that's really discouraging that. Like these guys who
Speaker 2: are all want to play, right, DeAndre said after the game, Hey,
Speaker 2: I'm going to play for for game two. Wasn't physically
Speaker 2: able to write like you can have the intentions you're
Speaker 2: going to want to go out there and prove yourself.
Speaker 2: You know, seeing the Beat reporters talking about their conversations
Speaker 2: with Evan Mobley and how dejected he was struggling, you know,
Speaker 2: to put weight on his foot, like this is this
Speaker 2: is serious stuff, man, And I think it goes back
Speaker 2: to what you were saying before about how this was
Speaker 2: an opportunity to extend the series and give by them
Speaker 2: a little bit more time. I don't know what the
Speaker 2: likelihood of these guys being able to return in the
Speaker 2: series is. And like, from a fan standpoint, I'm sitting here,
Speaker 2: I'm bitter, Like I'm feeling bitter. I'm frustrated by that.
Speaker 2: Like you know, I do my best to not let
Speaker 2: that impact my analysis, but it hurts. Man, Like everything
Speaker 2: you did everything right this season, right like, you did
Speaker 2: everything to manage minutes, did everything you could to not
Speaker 2: be in this position, it looked like you weren't in
Speaker 2: this position. And you know, two bad landings, or really
Speaker 2: three bad landings, because because Darius appeared, I think he
Speaker 2: landed on a fan court side. You know, three landings
Speaker 2: in the playoffs were enough to change your luck.
Speaker 1: And you know, we.
Speaker 2: Talked about appreciating that, you know, things can change in
Speaker 2: the blank of an eye, and you have to be
Speaker 2: in the moment and you have to be able to
Speaker 2: enjoy it. But as much as I'm you know, as
Speaker 2: much as we talk about that throughout the season, I'm
Speaker 2: convincing myself to do that at the same time, right
Speaker 2: like I'm trying to remember to myself and reflecting on
Speaker 2: it and looking back at it right now, I'm like,
Speaker 2: I still took that for granted. I still you know, assume, hey,
Speaker 2: we're going to be healthy for this run. We're at
Speaker 2: least getting this year. And you know, for that to
Speaker 2: be such a major part of the story, it's it's frustrating.
Speaker 1: And uh, you know, you don't get to choose how
Speaker 1: you build your contender. You know, there's so much luck
Speaker 1: that comes into it. You know, you don't just get
Speaker 1: to choose to add a Lebron or whoever it may be.
Speaker 1: But so this isn't like a criticism of the team building,
Speaker 1: but like this is the risk of being a strength
Speaker 1: in numbers. We got four, five, six guys that are
Speaker 1: all can all help on any given night, but you
Speaker 1: know we don't have a top one guy. We don't
Speaker 1: have a Lebron. Like this is the challenge. This is
Speaker 1: the reason why everyone wants a Lebron and why everyone
Speaker 1: wants a Luca is Like, you know, like there is
Speaker 1: just a you get you get two guys banged up, and.
Speaker 2: I mean that can still happen to the one, Like
Speaker 2: you know, Steph Curry just left the game. Lucas a
Speaker 2: million playoff series.
Speaker 1: There's no one rode up the mountain. But like it
Speaker 1: does feel, you know, it's felt often to me that
Speaker 1: this Cavs team can you know, has that you know,
Speaker 1: that Swiss watch quality where you know, like when everything's going,
Speaker 1: when everything's kind of good, everything's great, but you know,
Speaker 1: it just takes a couple of kinks and all of
Speaker 1: a sudden it's like, oh, we got one guy, you know,
Speaker 1: tis having a bad game, so we got one guy
Speaker 1: who can run a pick and roll. Yeah, oh Evan's hurt,
Speaker 1: Dean Wade backup center, sat Lote, you know, and like,
Speaker 1: you know, these are all the challenges that come with
Speaker 1: roster construction. You don't get to build a perfect team,
Speaker 1: and you don't get to choose who gets hurt, and
Speaker 1: like you can only insulate in so many spots, you know. Yeah, like,
Speaker 1: you know, I thought they did a great job of
Speaker 1: covering for DeAndre Hunter's absence tonight. I did not spend
Speaker 1: a lot of possessions going damn if only DeAndre were
Speaker 1: out here. Honestly, I thought.
Speaker 2: They did a great job of covering for no Evan right,
Speaker 2: like that that's the anchor of our defense, and I
Speaker 2: thought they did one of their best jobs at the
Speaker 2: point of attack limiting dribbled drive penetration for Indiana, there
Speaker 2: was a lot of times where the Pacers weren't able
Speaker 2: to get the cas into rotation and generate the same
Speaker 2: types of looks. I thought, you know, that.
Speaker 1: Goes to show you.
Speaker 2: As much as you talk about roster construction and personnel
Speaker 2: and your strengths offensively and defensively, a lot of it
Speaker 2: does come down to execution and effort. And I thought
Speaker 2: the execution and effort was absolutely there. I thought that
Speaker 2: they had enough to go out there and win tonight.
Speaker 2: Just frustrating to not come away with that win, right,
Speaker 2: And you know, I I it's one of those that's
Speaker 2: going to stick with you. It's really really you know,
Speaker 2: you got to give Indiana credit for continuing to fight
Speaker 2: throughout that game and playing themselves into a position to
Speaker 2: capitalize on it.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's it's it's up there with one of
Speaker 1: the most painful losses in the franchise's history. It is
Speaker 1: because of the context of what the seats this team
Speaker 1: has been all year, you know, like, I mean, nothing
Speaker 1: will ever top twenty eighteen Game one for me, I
Speaker 1: was you know, I was one of those go to
Speaker 1: bed miserable, wake up miserable games for me, just because
Speaker 1: I you know, I truly felt like that Golden State
Speaker 1: team was ready to splinter and crack, and next year
Speaker 1: they did. I still didn't hit me that, Yeah, I know, yeah,
Speaker 1: this is one of our biggest differentials in terms of
Speaker 1: like my pure uncut misery after that game. But you know,
Speaker 1: this is right up there and maybe worse. You know,
Speaker 1: this is a great Vibes Cavs team who won sixty
Speaker 1: four games, you know, that twenty eighteen team. You know,
Speaker 1: even if someone who is on the upper end of
Speaker 1: the respect the second Lebron era enjoyers, even even to
Speaker 1: the bitter end, like that was not a good Vibes team.
Speaker 1: That was not a team that you know, it was
Speaker 1: a team that easily could have lost in the first round,
Speaker 1: if you'll recall. And you know, it just feels like
Speaker 1: we're so far away from when it from being up
Speaker 1: by sixty against Miami, just like it's just a few
Speaker 1: days away.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's the crazy thing, man, Like, you know.
Speaker 1: I just I just thought I thought this team was
Speaker 1: ready to go, you know, maybe win a title coming
Speaker 1: off of that series. And whether it's the injuries, whether
Speaker 1: it's the whether it's the execution down the stretch, it's
Speaker 1: just it feels like it's slipping away a little bit.
Speaker 1: It's not over yet by any means. You know, they
Speaker 1: you know, they absolutely can come back and make this
Speaker 1: a series, but like, who does kind of feel that
Speaker 1: way right now sitting in a fan seat? Yeah, absolutely right,
Speaker 1: And that's one of the things you almost forget with
Speaker 1: how easy the Miami series was. Every loss feels like
Speaker 1: the end of the world in the playoffs like that,
Speaker 1: that's just the nature of the beast. Obviously, it feels
Speaker 1: even worse when when you're down. Guys, we have seen
Speaker 1: the Cavs lose two games at home in the playoffs
Speaker 1: and come back to win a series. Now, obviously those
Speaker 1: were different teams, but you know, you don't know what
Speaker 1: teams are capable of until you see them in those situations, right,
Speaker 1: And I think we're going to continue to learn more
Speaker 1: and more about this team and based on what we see,
Speaker 1: you know that that's going to continue to inform you know,
Speaker 1: as you like to say, the lessons you're going to learn.
Speaker 1: But I think your point about, hey, you're you're never
Speaker 1: going to have a perfect roster. You have to you know,
Speaker 1: you have to make the most of the talent that's
Speaker 1: available to you.
Speaker 2: That's that's what it is.
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Speaker 2: Know who is working happy and working hard in a
Speaker 2: way that really warmed my heart. We touched on him before,
Speaker 2: but I want to give a shout out to Max
Speaker 2: Drews because if I could, if I could pick and choose,
Speaker 2: you know, who's on this roster, I would clone a
Speaker 2: million Max Drews's. I would build the entire plane on
Speaker 2: Max Drews's because that guy plays hard that he worked
Speaker 2: his ass off, you know, the extra possessions you talk
Speaker 2: about Indie fouling physically and putting the lumber into guys.
Speaker 2: Max was making you feel him out there, Like when
Speaker 2: he was setting a screen for Tyrese, he was making
Speaker 2: sure there was a little extra on there. He was
Speaker 2: physical the entire night. He hit big shots. That transition
Speaker 2: dunk that he had was phenomenal. I thought it was
Speaker 2: almost a perfect Max true game, you know, not until that.
Speaker 1: Turnover at the end throwing the ball away. Yeah, not
Speaker 1: even that I don't really put on Max. They were
Speaker 1: out of timeouts. He had to put the ball into play,
Speaker 1: and as I mentioned five, you know, four Cavaliers were
Speaker 1: sitting there being hugged and shimmying their shoulders and putting
Speaker 1: their arm up feebly like you know, It's not like
Speaker 1: he missed a wide you know, an open receiver streaking
Speaker 1: wide open, thirty yards down the field. It was a
Speaker 1: jump ball. He had no targets. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And you know what I was going to say,
Speaker 2: was not a perfect game in terms of you know,
Speaker 2: being mistake free, but being resilient within that play, right,
Speaker 2: Like I thought, you know, you have a little rut
Speaker 2: there where you're not hitting threes, you step up and
Speaker 2: you hit that big one to put the Cavs up Evan.
Speaker 2: I just thought it was a terrific game from him.
Speaker 2: I thought Jared really stepped up and had a great game.
Speaker 1: The one thing I'll.
Speaker 2: Say about how Jared was used in this one was
Speaker 2: at the start we were really getting some good actions
Speaker 2: out of him out of the short role both as
Speaker 2: a scorer, and he had three assists pretty early on
Speaker 2: in the game. Kind of felt like we got away
Speaker 2: from that a little bit, and I understand we were
Speaker 2: able to get downhill a lot. The guard to guard
Speaker 2: screening was generating a ton of good looks. Getting Tyre's
Speaker 2: Halliburton into you know, action was resulting in a lot
Speaker 2: of good looks. I just felt like that was potentially
Speaker 2: something they could have gone to a little bit more
Speaker 2: to see if, hey, maybe Jared has a little bit
Speaker 2: of gas here, you know, it can finish in these spots.
Speaker 2: Maybe kick it out for some catch and shoot threes.
Speaker 2: Maybe that could be something that generates us some offense
Speaker 2: when we're looking tired as hell out here.
Speaker 1: It feels so stupid to talk x's and those right now,
Speaker 1: like it's really hard, but there is stuff, you know,
Speaker 1: there is stuff that there is to take away. You know,
Speaker 1: Indy didn't just magic away the Cavs offense in the
Speaker 1: final five six minutes of that game. What they did
Speaker 1: was they just started blitzing and extending their coverage further
Speaker 1: and further and further and further away from the hoop.
Speaker 1: You know, when they were running some of those plays,
Speaker 1: there was you know, Alberton was showing all the way
Speaker 1: out to damnear half court on some of these guard
Speaker 1: guard pick and rolls, and like, I do think that's
Speaker 1: where you really felt the lack of Evan and even
Speaker 1: the lack of Darius and the lack of ty Jerome
Speaker 1: having the worst game of his life, which we haven't
Speaker 1: hit on yet. It's an absolute, you know, disaster performance
Speaker 1: for him, and I think he'd probably tell you that.
Speaker 1: But like, you know, if they've got two to three
Speaker 1: guys pressuring the ball at half court in a half
Speaker 1: court possession, you've got to provide a release valve and
Speaker 1: attack the hoop. And I just felt like that's where
Speaker 1: Ocoro let you down in terms of consistent ability to attack.
Speaker 1: That's where you know, heavy legs let them down where
Speaker 1: they just kind of said, Donovan, just you split it,
Speaker 1: and you know he split it a couple of times,
Speaker 1: but like, you know, not enough shooting, not enough, not
Speaker 1: enough sharp decision making against that pressure. I'm sorry. You
Speaker 1: need to be able to make the Indiana Pacers pay
Speaker 1: when they're putting two on the ball at half court. Yea,
Speaker 1: we watched the Cavs make the Miami Heat pay when
Speaker 1: they put two on the ball at half court consistently.
Speaker 1: And yeah, the personnel was better. Yeah, Tie was having
Speaker 1: a great series and in this and uh, you know
Speaker 1: he had I mean, I mean again, just a nightmare game.
Speaker 1: Shorted every single floater, even the ones that were off
Speaker 1: you know, off a good foot, not the you know,
Speaker 1: the tide your own special, but the normal floaters for
Speaker 1: normal guards. He was aiming them, you know, And I
Speaker 1: just think, I think, really it, I don't want to say,
Speaker 1: you know, the team collectively lost the game, obviously, yeah,
Speaker 1: but the fact that they just couldn't count on Tie
Speaker 1: to help at all. Two points on fourteen field goal
Speaker 1: attempts for assists, oh, four from three. You know, when
Speaker 1: you're down, it's tough, man like it. I mean, you
Speaker 1: made you made the right choice in my opinion, because
Speaker 1: we've tied with Lima and you're like they should start
Speaker 1: tie because you want two ball handlers. You want to
Speaker 1: be able to attack Indiana for multiple side to the court,
Speaker 1: and they couldn't tonight because ty couldn't do it, you know,
Speaker 1: and like that's I mean, it's just a bomber outcome.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's so much about this this game that
Speaker 1: you just kind of go, like you you want to
Speaker 1: talk the excess and o's and like you're right, like
Speaker 1: some of the pressure relieve stuff is there and you
Speaker 1: know some ways to cover, but then so much of
Speaker 1: this game goes down to well that sucks. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: I just you know, and that's why I think they're
Speaker 1: going to have a hard time bouncing back from this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I'm not going to pile on Tye. You
Speaker 2: win games collectively, you lose games collectively. I know everybody,
Speaker 2: when you have a painful loss, they look for a scapegoat,
Speaker 2: right like they look for their pound of flesh. Whether
Speaker 2: it's guys that weren't able to give it a go
Speaker 2: that we're trying to play, whether it's someone that was
Speaker 2: out there that struggled. I think every single player up
Speaker 2: and down the roster, The coaching staff, all has plays,
Speaker 2: all has moments within this game that.
Speaker 1: They would have back.
Speaker 2: I'm not going to to pile on there, but I think,
Speaker 2: you know, it does show when you reach playoff level defense,
Speaker 2: when when you play a real team like the Indiana
Speaker 2: Pacers that's been playing great basketball for a while now,
Speaker 2: if you're part of that starting unit, you're going to
Speaker 2: face another level of pressure, right, And I think what
Speaker 2: they were able to do with them hard Whitney Smith,
Speaker 2: in particular on the perimeter, just made TI feel uncomfortable. Uh.
Speaker 2: And you know, that's a level of game planning. He's
Speaker 2: not used to the scene in the regular season. I
Speaker 2: think he's going to be more equipped to handle that
Speaker 2: in Game three, whether it's coming in off the bench
Speaker 2: or whether he's called upon to start again. But it
Speaker 2: was definitely a tough night for him. And you know, Uh,
Speaker 2: I like the fact that in this game there was
Speaker 2: less uh soft switching than we've seen in previous matchups.
Speaker 2: There were still some of it, but I thought for
Speaker 2: the most part they were allowing guys to fight through screens.
Speaker 1: If that was there.
Speaker 2: The one thing I gotta say is if you are
Speaker 2: going to switch some of these possessions, you kind of
Speaker 2: gotta live with the results a little bit. I saw
Speaker 2: Matt Moore was tweeting about this as well, where jaredt
Speaker 2: is switching some of these Miles Turner pick and roll,
Speaker 2: pick and pop situations, and then he's out there scrambling
Speaker 2: and over helping after the fact to get back out
Speaker 2: to Turner, and you just got to kind of live
Speaker 2: with the results.
Speaker 1: Like I you know.
Speaker 2: If you're giving up those shots, you gotta live with it,
Speaker 2: because once you get into that scramble mode, if there's
Speaker 2: a second chance opportunity, you're not going to be able
Speaker 2: to recover from that. You have to to kind of
Speaker 2: live with your defensive coverage and stick to it. And
Speaker 2: if the coverage isn't working, you change up the coverage,
Speaker 2: but you have to execute it. And the other thing
Speaker 2: is from an execution standpoint, the end of quarter threes
Speaker 2: is something that you know, just that extra ten you know,
Speaker 2: five ten seconds of focus and effort points a game
Speaker 2: for right now, it really is right like it's just
Speaker 2: hey that those seconds of the quarter probably you know
Speaker 2: that they are out there, they're going to try to
Speaker 2: get that three pointer. At the end of the quarter.
Speaker 2: They know they're going to try to kick it out
Speaker 2: to the corners. You know that they're going to get
Speaker 2: out and transition, They're going to find ways to leak
Speaker 2: out and get these opportunities, little things like that. It's
Speaker 2: the little things in the margin that you know, when
Speaker 2: you're up fifteen or you're up eighteen, I think at
Speaker 2: some of those opportunities doesn't feel as bad. Hey, you
Speaker 2: got points to play with, but you see how it
Speaker 2: has an effect at the end of the game, right,
Speaker 2: And it's that kind of stuff that makes me not
Speaker 2: dwell on, you know, struggles of someone individually like a
Speaker 2: Ti Jerome, and focus on kind of the picture as
Speaker 2: a whole, because it's little plays throughout the entire game
Speaker 2: that end up to, you know, amounting to that end result.
Speaker 1: Yep, man, it's a I gotta tell you, it's it's
Speaker 1: I you know. And by the way, this is why
Speaker 1: it's so stupid, and I'm very guilty of this for
Speaker 1: pre dooming, you know, because it doesn't make the loss
Speaker 1: any easier, you know, it doesn't make it you know,
Speaker 1: talking about you know, you saw some of my d
Speaker 1: ms after it was very clear that all three of
Speaker 1: these guys were not going to play.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: You know, the pre misery doesn't actually save you from
Speaker 1: the postgame misery. You know, it's it's better to try
Speaker 1: to be calm and rational and try to find the
Speaker 1: fun in it. Because you know, I'm no, I'm in
Speaker 1: no better shape for having prepped myself emotionally for for that,
Speaker 1: for that outcome.
Speaker 2: And that's why, you know what, I'm not doing that
Speaker 2: with game three because I'm sitting here, I'm like, you
Speaker 2: know what, if the Calves go out and they win
Speaker 2: Game three, I'm going to get excited again. I want
Speaker 2: to say, hey, now you just got to win one
Speaker 2: more game. And that's got to be their mentality. You
Speaker 2: look at the postgame coaches, you look at you know,
Speaker 2: the postgame interviews. They got an edge to them. So
Speaker 2: I Kenny said, hey, you know, the locker room wasn't
Speaker 2: sitting there dejected. They know what they need to do.
Speaker 2: I'm going to give them, these guys the benefit of
Speaker 2: the doubt because they showed me a lot of heart tonight.
Speaker 1: You know, we SHOs a lot of heart. Even in
Speaker 1: the Celtics series last year. I went and pulled it up,
Speaker 1: you know, and they those final games. If you box
Speaker 1: score Hunt from that playoff series, like it looks like
Speaker 1: they let go of the rope. You know, Boston wins
Speaker 1: Game five by fifteen points, but like they really played
Speaker 1: their ass off.
Speaker 2: They almost won Game four without Mitchell, without Allen, They
Speaker 2: almost found a way to win Game four. And you know,
Speaker 2: I hate the fact that, hey, when you're missing two
Speaker 2: of your core members, you know, you've found a way
Speaker 2: to almost win. Like, I hate that we're in that
Speaker 2: situation again in the second round because we want, you know,
Speaker 2: we want usable tape. We want to be able to
Speaker 2: assess this core and you.
Speaker 1: Know, maybe that's part of the assessment. You know, it's
Speaker 1: all data.
Speaker 2: Yeah it is, and it's going to have to be.
Speaker 2: But you know, it is frustrating to be in that situation.
Speaker 2: But I think the fight that we've seen this team
Speaker 2: show gives me belief that they can go out and
Speaker 2: win Game three.
Speaker 1: And if you.
Speaker 2: Win game three, you have a chance to then take
Speaker 2: Game four. And if you manage to do that, it's
Speaker 2: a brand new series. You know, Donovan talked about how
Speaker 2: he expects guys to be back for Friday. We'll see
Speaker 2: if that ends up being the case. We know that
Speaker 2: everyone's going to be giving it their their best to
Speaker 2: try to go out there and compete. It's you know
Speaker 2: what you want and what is physically possible and whether
Speaker 2: you know what's actually in the team's best interest, you know,
Speaker 2: because it's one thing to go out there and an
Speaker 2: attempt to play, but are you actually going to be
Speaker 2: a positive That's the kind of thing that the medical
Speaker 2: staff has to assess. Well, we'll we'll see how what
Speaker 2: what type of shape they're in on Friday, But at
Speaker 2: least they have, you know, the the extra day off.
Speaker 2: I think that's one thing that they this team sorely,
Speaker 2: sorely needed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you hope you see something. You hope
Speaker 1: you see Uh you know, I I'm actually not I'm
Speaker 1: not worried about this team's ability to play with pride,
Speaker 1: ability to play sharp, you know, and recover. You know.
Speaker 1: I just I uh, I know, I picked Calves in five.
Speaker 1: I think if you just you know, read that headline,
Speaker 1: you would uh be like, oh, you big idiot. You
Speaker 1: thought this was going to be an easy series for
Speaker 1: the Cabs, And like, you know, I really do have
Speaker 1: so much respect. I've had a lot of respect for
Speaker 1: this any team since before the season even started. I
Speaker 1: thought they were a better team than their record all year,
Speaker 1: and you've been consistent on that and I and I
Speaker 1: think Rick Carlisle's, you know, a top two coach in
Speaker 1: the NBA, and uh, they're they're not just gonna give
Speaker 1: it to you. You're gonna have to go. You're gonna
Speaker 1: have to take it from them, And uh, I'm just
Speaker 1: I'm a little worried about the team's ability to muster
Speaker 1: the juice to do it at this point. Yep.
Speaker 2: But hey, if I thought that this team could win
Speaker 2: in five and there's five games left, it's still possible.
Speaker 1: Baby.
Speaker 2: You know what, we could still put that theory to
Speaker 2: the damn test, Carter. So we'll we'll, we'll see if
Speaker 2: they can, you know, start that road take that first
Speaker 2: bite out of the elephant in game three. Thank you
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