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Speaker 1: Wind Down with Janet Kramer and I'mheart Radio Podcast.

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Speaker 2: So have you guys watched squid Games? The actual squid Games?

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Speaker 3: I am an odd man out. I have not, but truthfully,

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Speaker 3: just because I'm not really watching any TV. And I

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Speaker 3: mean that I get that, but I need to know

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Speaker 3: about it because I need you guys to vet what's

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Speaker 3: worth my time and worth my no sleep.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so I'm gonna ask you have you watched Swigging?

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Speaker 1: So I watched the challenge. However I did not watch

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Speaker 1: Oh I know what. Well. I saw the challenge and

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Speaker 1: a lot of people were talking about it. So I

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Speaker 1: just started there and I was like, well, now I

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Speaker 1: have to go back because what is happening?

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Speaker 2: Okay, so back in wait, can you even tell me

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Speaker 2: what it is? Well, I'm not about to do right now. Okay, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I know nothing. This is like there's the challenge and

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Speaker 2: then there's squid Game. So apparently okay, right after Thanksgiving,

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Speaker 2: obviously just had Roman and we were watching a lot

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Speaker 2: of TV at that time, and so my brother and

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Speaker 2: his wife were in town and clicking through things and

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Speaker 2: I'm like, squid Game, the challenge. I see it on Netflix.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, what is this And my brother is like, oh,

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Speaker 2: it's probably based off Squid Game. I'm like, what is

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Speaker 2: that a movie? I like, know, nothing, right, that's a

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Speaker 2: weird name. It's weird name. So I go to well

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Speaker 2: I want to see what it is and start looking

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Speaker 2: it up. I'm like, oh, they won like Emmys and

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Speaker 2: stuff for it. It's apparently it was a big show. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: during like Lockdown two, a lot of people watched it,

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Speaker 2: and I feel like I watched everything in Lockdown. Well,

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Speaker 2: so I'm like, well, I'm going to give it a

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Speaker 2: shot because I have this baby sleeps twenty four to seven,

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Speaker 2: so I'm just as well just watch. And the kids

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Speaker 2: were gone, Thank goodness, because this is not a good

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Speaker 2: show for kids at all. So spoiler alert. But when

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Speaker 2: I started, it was a TV show like nine episodes.

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Speaker 2: It's Korean. So at first I'm like, I'm going to

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Speaker 2: hate this because I don't like reading subtitles.

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Speaker 1: That's why, and watch it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, oh my god, you almost forget your reading really, yes, okay,

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Speaker 2: I believe you. And then David was in town. My

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Speaker 2: friend was in town and he's like, what are you watching?

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Speaker 2: And so he's like, this is what's wrong with America.

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Speaker 2: So I'm afraid I might be like David Well because

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Speaker 2: literally and you'll see again spoiler alert. But they go,

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Speaker 2: it's a career. It's based off a Korean show. And

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Speaker 2: I might be saying this wrong, but this is from

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Speaker 2: what I know in my little novice searching of googling

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Speaker 2: squid Games. But it was these people who were in

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Speaker 2: debt got this card and then they played this game

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Speaker 2: called the Squid Games, and they didn't know what was

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Speaker 2: going to happen in this game, but they're basically like,

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Speaker 2: you're gonna win all this money. You have to if

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Speaker 2: you're the last person, right. So cut to the first

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Speaker 2: challenge they do is this red light green light and

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Speaker 2: if you move a little bit, there's like this little

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Speaker 2: doll and it makes this really creepy sound and.

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Speaker 4: Then boom boom boom boom boom.

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Speaker 2: People start getting shot, like really shot, like dead in

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Speaker 2: the TV show.

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Speaker 4: Okay, no, no, I'm talking to TV show. I'm talking about

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Speaker 4: Challenge this TV show. And again it's not a real show.

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Speaker 2: It's a well, okay, it's a it's a it's a

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Speaker 2: like a make believe show, you know, it's like a Okay,

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Speaker 2: so it's not a reality show. The Korean part. The

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Speaker 2: challenge when on Netflix is they're not dying, they're getting

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Speaker 2: you know, what's.

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Speaker 4: That called like a pellet gun or something. Yeah, like

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Speaker 4: when you air and when you in movies they have

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Speaker 4: those squid.

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Speaker 1: Around your neck that like explodes.

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Speaker 2: Squid something that uh like yeah, they fake their desks

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Speaker 2: a squid, thank you, squib whip Squip had one of

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Speaker 2: those one the machine gun zombie killed me.

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Speaker 4: I was going to say, people, remember like it makes sense.

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Speaker 4: I wouldn't know that it's called squib.

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Speaker 2: And so, long story short, in that Korean TV show

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Speaker 2: again it's a TV showed, it's make Bley but they're

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Speaker 2: in this game and all of a sudden they're like no, dude,

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Speaker 2: So all these people are just getting like massacred on

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Speaker 2: the show. And that's when like David walks in and

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Speaker 2: he's like what are you watching? Like this is fascinating

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Speaker 2: and he's like, this is what's wrong with America.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I kind of I'm still agreeing with David.

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Speaker 2: But it just kept me and then I watched another

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Speaker 2: episode and then Alan walks in and he's like what

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Speaker 4: And I j I gotta read, I gotta read. I

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Speaker 2: And so then I text Gretzky Sarah because she's loves

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Speaker 2: she watches a bunch of TV shows and she's got

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Speaker 2: a podcast all about that, the net Chicks, and I'm like,

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Speaker 2: all right, girl, have you watched squid Games? And she's like,

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Speaker 2: not my thing? And I'm like, okay, well it's starting

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Speaker 2: to become my thing.

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Speaker 4: I like it.

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Speaker 2: So I'm going to continue and I'll let you know,

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Speaker 2: like how it is you again? You forget your reading

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Speaker 2: and you become so I mean, I was crying at

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Speaker 2: the second to last episode because of something that happens,

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Speaker 2: because you really just love these characters. And then spoiler

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Speaker 2: alert another one. They're having another season coming out, which

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Speaker 2: is great. I'm so pumped. So then I watched the

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Speaker 2: Challenge with my mom and at first she's like, what

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Speaker 2: are you watching? That's like that's the theme is like

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Speaker 2: what are you watch? Because it's just it's so so different. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you know, but it's good.

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Speaker 4: So it's a fake series. It's a series.

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Speaker 2: Fake series based on a Korean television show.

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Speaker 4: It's fake. It's fake.

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Speaker 2: It's a Korean television fake show, just like we would

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Speaker 2: watch any teacher share.

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Speaker 3: So is the idea that like they're doing it so

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Speaker 3: they can get out of this debt, like they would

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Speaker 3: risk their lives essentially to get like, let's say, thirty

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Speaker 3: million dollars something like an insane amount of money. So

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Speaker 3: these people, and this is what's a really interesting. America

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Speaker 3: needs to step it up.

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Speaker 2: Well, this is what's interesting about the Squid Games is

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Speaker 2: there's people that want to leave. This is again the

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Speaker 2: Korean show, not talking about the challenge. They want to

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Speaker 2: leave because they're like, we're dying here. But they're like, well,

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Speaker 2: we don't have any thing to even you know, we

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Speaker 2: don't have a family to go back to, we don't

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Speaker 2: have this, we don't have X, so our lives are

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Speaker 4: So who cares if I die?

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Speaker 1: Could they leave if they wanted to?

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Speaker 2: There has to be a they all have to agree.

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Speaker 2: I'm a minority, so I can't. I want you to

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Speaker 2: watch it because they do. But then they realize that

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Speaker 2: the outside world is actually worse than the world they're

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Speaker 2: living in. And that was interesting too, So there was

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Speaker 2: just so much flying around with that. But I mean

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Speaker 2: I'm like clinching the bed sheets and not the sexual way.

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Speaker 1: I was like, get there.

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Speaker 2: I'm like it was so intense, and again, these people

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Speaker 2: are dying. So then I then watched the Challenge. Second,

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Speaker 2: I finished Squid Games, and you know, it's hard to

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Speaker 2: go from the TV show with such high stakes in

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Speaker 2: watching that too. These people on the challenge were faking

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Speaker 2: their Did they americanize the challenge? They americanized the challenge.

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Speaker 2: They did a lot of challenges that were similar to

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Speaker 2: the show. They changed a little bit, but like the

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Speaker 2: ones where there walking on the glass, the tempered glass

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Speaker 2: that was on the actual Squid Games. The first one

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Speaker 2: was the red light green Light? The what was the

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Speaker 2: other one? Oh, the thing worth the cookie that was

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Speaker 2: on Squid Games, But you guys, it was I could

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Speaker 2: not look away from the challenge.

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Speaker 5: Oh.

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Speaker 2: I loved it because I wanted to know at what happened.

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Speaker 2: I wanted to know the stories. And again the only

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Speaker 2: thing that I didn't like was the them faking their deaths.

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Speaker 2: Having said that, now watching the entire and mind you

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Speaker 2: they're playing, I think it was like four million dollars.

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Speaker 2: Did the winner one substantial? Highest game show money ever?

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Speaker 2: I want to do the like whatever d celebrity a

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Speaker 2: game show squid Games so bad?

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Speaker 1: Oh, I think it would be so fun.

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Speaker 2: I would I'm like, please sign me up as I

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Speaker 2: spit on you. I'm so excited. I wouldn't love to

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Speaker 2: do that. It would be and but I would want

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Speaker 2: to fake the death.

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Speaker 4: I'd be like, oh, you'd be.

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Speaker 1: At first, I thought that was really weird, and then

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Speaker 1: it like just kind of made it what it was.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I thought it was kind of, yeah, interesting.

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Speaker 4: If you go from watching squid Games to that, you're like, I.

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Speaker 1: Mean that they really got killed. I could figure out

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Speaker 1: a lot of the regular show based on this and

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Speaker 1: then knowing the challenges and stuff. But I was like,

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Speaker 1: they must really get killed in this show. There pretending

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Speaker 1: but like, I don't know, it was just such a

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Speaker 3: That I was kind of like, whatever, couldn't look away right,

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Speaker 3: We're Oh, No, I just feel like you and I

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Speaker 3: watched such different things when well.

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Speaker 1: I would normally would not just have a baby.

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Speaker 4: No, this is so your show.

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Speaker 2: You like stuff, don't you like that high intensity?

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Speaker 4: Yes?

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Speaker 1: And no, but if it's weird, I like your normal.

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Speaker 1: So if it is anything that's like the only I

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Speaker 1: can read. It's weird reading. So I was tried to watch.

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Speaker 1: I was like, this is just weird. But I think

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Speaker 1: I'll be able to watch it for sure.

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Speaker 4: It's so good.

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Speaker 1: Yeah it sounds good.

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Speaker 2: It's like it's so good. The actors are amazing. I

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Speaker 2: cannot wait for the next season.

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Speaker 4: I just it's so funny because usually you can convince me.

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Speaker 4: And I'm still like, if.

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Speaker 2: It feels like it's too dangerous for you, yeah it's

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Speaker 2: too dark everyone, but also believe yeah, still doesn't matter, Like, Okay,

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Speaker 2: it's a very sense of anarchy vibe in a jail

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Speaker 2: hot like people are being shot up. But I like

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Speaker 2: something you don't like something. Anarchy is my favorite showever. Oh, Like,

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Speaker 2: I've watched this season.

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Speaker 1: Literally great each other. I'm like, you pray love for

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Speaker 1: the seventy.

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Speaker 2: Well like same, but also I love that vibe too.

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Speaker 2: It's intense eat pray love or like l. So it's

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Speaker 2: pretty much just saying I'm just saying there's mixture. But

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Speaker 2: the cool thing is we have doctor Vu who is

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Speaker 2: actually on the challenge, so I'm pumped to talk to him.

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Speaker 2: Actually I can't remember was he was he the only

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Speaker 2: thing I don't remember, because I watched it pretty much

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Speaker 2: in two days was when did he actually get eliminated,

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Speaker 2: because that's the piece that I forgot when I went.

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Speaker 4: I think the.

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Speaker 1: Team I feel like it was some kind of team

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Speaker 1: challenge battleship. I'd have to look that up. I was

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Speaker 1: trying to like figure it out, figure everybody out.

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Speaker 6: Okay, come on in, Hi, Hello.

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Speaker 2: Are you thriving over there in your thrive state?

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Speaker 7: When I'm not challenging, like when.

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Speaker 4: You're not doing TV madness.

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Speaker 5: Oh well, I love playing with my daughter and that's

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Speaker 7: And I love karaoke.

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Speaker 7: You've lost that loving feeling?

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Speaker 7: One do people? What will people choose to do? Choose?

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Speaker 7: Well as the challenge.

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Speaker 2: Sure, because I always thought because now I'm like wanting,

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Speaker 5: And I know that in Enemy Elimination p if he

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Speaker 2: But then I heard a story and That's that's the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well I don't. I mean, does everyone really know

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Speaker 5: When you're there, you don't really spend some time and

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Speaker 3: Is there something you wish they would have shown more of,

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Speaker 5: Well, absolutely, I mean I think from a personal standpoint,

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Speaker 1: That's so interesting because I did watch the challenge obviously,

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Speaker 5: Yeah. I mean, it's certainly a very curtailed series, and

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Speaker 5: And I certainly think it's a great idea for show.

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Speaker 7: And it just goes to show that there is.

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Speaker 2: Are you talking about May was that, no, are you

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Speaker 2: And he's like, I know you wouldn't do that to me, May, But.

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Speaker 1: That was so smart.

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Speaker 1: Know, So to me, it's like they're just playing the game.

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Speaker 1: That's where I'm like, are they bade? That's what I'm saying,

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Speaker 5: I think that in that moment you just saw that

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Speaker 2: Don't tell me it was the mom because that would

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Speaker 7: Oh yeah, no, not the mom.

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Speaker 4: Not the mom.

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Speaker 5: I just show that in any situation, media or any

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Speaker 5: you highlight somebody, you can get a different sense of reality.

439
00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:29,760
Speaker 5: And that was probably another sort of just interesting insight

440
00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:32,679
Speaker 5: to be able to see four to fifty six people

441
00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:36,399
Speaker 5: with all different backgrounds and mindsets coming into the place

442
00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:40,960
Speaker 5: or how it finally got cut. But also knowing that

443
00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:43,879
Speaker 5: there's so many backstories that weren't told, you know, and

444
00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:46,119
Speaker 5: some stories being skewed to the truth.

445
00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:49,679
Speaker 4: We feel that way a lot about Jana Kramer. Huh.

446
00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:52,080
Speaker 3: Things get skewed a lot, and things get picked up

447
00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:59,880
Speaker 3: and you're like, that's not actually how it was at all.

448
00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:11,120
Speaker 3: So if they did a spinoff, do you put your

449
00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:12,480
Speaker 3: name in the hat?

450
00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:13,840
Speaker 5: Oh?

451
00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:14,520
Speaker 7: Absolutely?

452
00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:18,520
Speaker 5: I again, after I passed the Dell going a challenge,

453
00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:21,320
Speaker 5: I remember I had to wait, I don't know, maybe

454
00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:23,720
Speaker 5: like three hours before I got to join the rest

455
00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:27,480
Speaker 5: of the people back in the dorm room. And I swore,

456
00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:32,280
Speaker 5: you know, that challenge was was going to do me

457
00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:33,040
Speaker 5: in because it was the.

458
00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:36,320
Speaker 4: One oh the umbrella, oh yeah.

459
00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:41,240
Speaker 5: Cookie challenge, And for you who haven't seen it, basically

460
00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:45,680
Speaker 5: you get these really fragile sugar cookies that you basically

461
00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:49,480
Speaker 5: had to cut out these shapes using a needle. And

462
00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:54,960
Speaker 5: I remembering the cookie cracked and I thought I was done,

463
00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:57,679
Speaker 5: but it actually just cracked on the outside. The umbrella

464
00:22:57,760 --> 00:22:59,800
Speaker 5: was still, you know, in good form, and so I

465
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Speaker 5: think with seconds left, and I remember just that time

466
00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:05,639
Speaker 5: waiting outside, I was like, hey, you know, I was

467
00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:10,080
Speaker 5: probably put here on, you know, for for good reason,

468
00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:13,800
Speaker 5: and maybe how I'm playing the game needs to be shown.

469
00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:18,800
Speaker 5: And I remember just feeling very like being on that

470
00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:21,200
Speaker 5: show actually had a purpose. And then the next game

471
00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:24,320
Speaker 5: after that was Battleships, and my team didn't win the battleship,

472
00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:27,320
Speaker 5: but fortunately my ship wasn't Sun, so I got to

473
00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:29,840
Speaker 5: continue to play the game. That actually built up a

474
00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:32,560
Speaker 5: little bit of confidence that that allowed me to speak

475
00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:35,240
Speaker 5: up on the day that I was targeted.

476
00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:40,400
Speaker 2: Yeahs went who ended up sending you home?

477
00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:47,040
Speaker 5: It was player one nine to seven, I think, and uh, yeah,

478
00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:50,040
Speaker 5: I realized that, you know, that group of people that

479
00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:52,760
Speaker 5: they actually did show on the show was really targeting me.

480
00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:56,119
Speaker 5: I was pretty surprised that, you know that that happened,

481
00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:58,639
Speaker 5: because I thought I was a pretty good team player.

482
00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:01,879
Speaker 5: Not shown there was like I did laughter, yoga with

483
00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:05,359
Speaker 5: people and really elevate their state during those really long

484
00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:07,919
Speaker 5: hours we got to spend at the dorms, and I

485
00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:11,000
Speaker 5: thought that that was going to be well received. But again,

486
00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:15,040
Speaker 5: I think just being out there in a game like

487
00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:17,280
Speaker 5: this will put a target on your back. And it

488
00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:20,960
Speaker 5: was after that moment that I've realized and I don't

489
00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:24,520
Speaker 5: normally watch reality shows, and I don't normally do these

490
00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:27,760
Speaker 5: elimination shows. And right then, in that moment, I remember

491
00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:31,000
Speaker 5: doing the interview, I said, Wow, I just realize I

492
00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:33,440
Speaker 5: am in an elimination reality show.

493
00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:38,640
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, yeah, Well so okay, so you did the challenge,

494
00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:40,840
Speaker 2: but obviously you have I can see behind. You've got

495
00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:43,040
Speaker 2: a book Thrive State. What is Thrive State? So we

496
00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:45,399
Speaker 2: can also promote obviously not only the challenge that you

497
00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:48,640
Speaker 2: were on. So watch to see how a doctor vou did.

498
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:51,480
Speaker 4: But where what are you doing? What's the book tell

499
00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:53,159
Speaker 4: us about all the things that you do?

500
00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:57,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, so I am a minimally invasive surgeon that I

501
00:24:57,840 --> 00:24:59,720
Speaker 5: got trained at some of the best institutions in the

502
00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:03,359
Speaker 5: county for you, the National Institutes of Health UCLA, the

503
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:06,000
Speaker 5: Howard Hughes Medical Institute. But seven years ago, even as

504
00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:11,959
Speaker 5: an attending surgeon that was overweight, diabetic, had high blood pressure,

505
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:15,359
Speaker 5: and I was on several prescription medications, and I didn't

506
00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:18,160
Speaker 5: realize that how I was living life, that the program

507
00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:21,880
Speaker 5: I was in, I was making unconscious voices in sleep, nutrition,

508
00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:24,120
Speaker 5: how I was moving the stress that I was taking

509
00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:27,359
Speaker 5: on every day, and those signals I actually give to

510
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:30,240
Speaker 5: every single cell of my body. So my body was

511
00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:33,240
Speaker 5: just basically in the state of stress. And when you're

512
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:36,679
Speaker 5: in that state of stress, it basically turns on the

513
00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:40,600
Speaker 5: genes that increase inflammation that drops immune system down. And

514
00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:43,080
Speaker 5: basically when your systems starts shutting down, that's when you

515
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:45,879
Speaker 5: get chronic symptoms and chronic disease. But when you can

516
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:48,800
Speaker 5: flip that, when you can give the cell everything it

517
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:52,560
Speaker 5: needs and you have a fully functioning cell, optimal cells

518
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:55,159
Speaker 5: lead to optimal tissues, lead to optimal organs, lead to

519
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:59,600
Speaker 5: optimal systems that leads leads us to have optimal health

520
00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:04,800
Speaker 5: longe an e peak performance. So health isn't really about

521
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:08,320
Speaker 5: being away from diseases, about really becoming the best versions

522
00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:13,360
Speaker 5: of ourselves. And that with seven main pillars of sleep, nutrition, movement,

523
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 5: our thoughts and mindset, stor emotions are our community, and

524
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:21,320
Speaker 5: then our sense of purpose are actually these pillars that

525
00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:24,040
Speaker 5: if we make right choices on them, we create a

526
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:26,359
Speaker 5: state in our body what I call the thrive state,

527
00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:29,639
Speaker 5: and in that state is the state of medicine. In

528
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:32,840
Speaker 5: that state, we realize that we are actually our best medicine.

529
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:36,240
Speaker 5: And taking this to organizations and the work I do

530
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:39,240
Speaker 5: with them, if we could start to see an organization,

531
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:44,879
Speaker 5: just like the cell basically works with other cells and

532
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:49,240
Speaker 5: the ecosystem of human body. Individuals are just that of

533
00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:52,639
Speaker 5: the organism that is in our organizations. So are you

534
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:56,600
Speaker 5: giving every individual the tools to be able to thrive

535
00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:59,439
Speaker 5: so that they can connect and then your organization in

536
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 5: a state where everybody feels safe, heard, connected, loved, because

537
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 5: that's how you get optimal performance in your organizations as well.

538
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:14,400
Speaker 5: So the book Thrive State really is teaching us that

539
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:18,000
Speaker 5: our consciousness and how we approach life, that the energy

540
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:22,480
Speaker 5: that we approach life with actually carries the signals for

541
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:26,480
Speaker 5: medicine to lead us to more health, happiness, and human potential.

542
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:28,440
Speaker 4: Yeah.

543
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:30,960
Speaker 3: I don't really ever needed to hear a message so

544
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:32,640
Speaker 3: clearly is that today?

545
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 4: Actually?

546
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:37,080
Speaker 3: So when you've gone out and worked with corporations, do

547
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:39,920
Speaker 3: you sometimes feel like you've had your own mini reality

548
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:42,480
Speaker 3: series where you're like, oh, this one needs to be eliminated?

549
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 3: Like is there someone that doesn't work with the synergy

550
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:46,600
Speaker 3: of the group and you're like, oh, this probably needs

551
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:46,879
Speaker 3: to go.

552
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 4: Have you ever had that identification moment?

553
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:53,359
Speaker 5: Well, normally I do mostly keynotes rather than doing deep

554
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:55,520
Speaker 5: in depth work these days, and so I haven't got

555
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 5: a chance to meet some of those people, but I

556
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:02,920
Speaker 5: do have the c suite attact me about certain apples, uh,

557
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:05,640
Speaker 5: certainly in their organization to ask me what to do.

558
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:10,080
Speaker 5: And certainly in those instances, are you giving that individual,

559
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 5: are you hearing that individual? And do they really resonate

560
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:15,960
Speaker 5: with what your organization is trying to do? And certainly,

561
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:20,840
Speaker 5: every family, every community, every organization, Paula has a couple

562
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 5: of those, uh, And it's just about assessing whether.

563
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 7: Or not they're really the right fit.

564
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 5: Are they the cell that's going to be contributing to

565
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:32,639
Speaker 5: the entire body of this organization or they sell or

566
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 5: is it a cell that is going to just look

567
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:37,919
Speaker 5: out for itself. Only what happens when we have a

568
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:40,480
Speaker 5: cell like that in our body, it's called cancer.

569
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is why you got eliminate it. I'm so sorry.

570
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 3: Next time you should be really quiet and not trying

571
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 3: to do any team mark because you're way too smart

572
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:52,560
Speaker 3: and way too brilliantly fascinating. Like, yeah, I could see

573
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:55,080
Speaker 3: why people are like, hmmm, you're going to have to

574
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 3: believe exact for the whole.

575
00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't keep science claves too Smartochondria gotta go. Well,

576
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 2: thank you so much for coming on. I appreciate it.

577
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 2: And yeah, just everyone go get thrive, stayed and watch

578
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 2: us would gain the challenge on Netflix.

579
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 6: Thanks for having me, Thank you, bye. I.

580
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:21,520
Speaker 2: I also wonder what you would really do, because I

581
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:25,160
Speaker 2: do think you would put the box on my table, Catherine,

582
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 2: and I don't mean.

583
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:30,760
Speaker 1: That, oh no, probably Honestly, I would really struggle. Here's

584
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 1: what I wouldn't do. I would probably put a box

585
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:36,560
Speaker 1: on your table to try and be smart, and like

586
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 1: no one would guess that I would do that. But

587
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 1: I'm not sure what I would do in like the

588
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 1: beginning when they were like you can either do this

589
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 1: or vote someone off or whatever. That's where I would

590
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 1: struggle and not really know what to unless there was

591
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 1: someone that I felt like was like a really not

592
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 1: great person, then maybe i'd vote them off, but like

593
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 1: I wouldn't vote someone off, like if it was me,

594
00:29:57,280 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 1: Like I wouldn't vote you off, but I would try

595
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 1: and play smart.

596
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 4: Do you know what you guys would do?

597
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,560
Speaker 3: I think before the show started, I think you would

598
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:07,240
Speaker 3: make an alliance and then you would split the winnings

599
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 3: no matter who made it to THEE.

600
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Speaker 1: And that was what I thought the whole time too.

601
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 2: So I was wondering if may gave any I think

602
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 2: either Brad or Chad. Not to quote Taylor Swift, but.

603
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 1: I don't remember anything.

604
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 2: It was either a Brad or a Chad, but she

605
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:23,479
Speaker 2: was really close with one of them, and I in

606
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 2: my mind, I went, I would give some of that

607
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 2: money to some of them.

608
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's kind of at least in that moment.

609
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 1: But I mean, if it truly was like us going

610
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:35,240
Speaker 1: in one hundred or like two people that really knew

611
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 1: or like mom and son. Yeah, Like I'm like, it's

612
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:40,480
Speaker 1: not that. Just make sure one of y'all stays in,

613
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:43,040
Speaker 1: you know, and then whatever. So I thought that the

614
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 1: whole time too. I'd be gone in two seconds.

615
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 2: But I don't know because and I feel like you

616
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:53,000
Speaker 2: would play it kind of for example, on the actual

617
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 2: squid games or someone that was like, oh, you made us.

618
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:59,120
Speaker 2: She reminds me of the Indian character where he's just

619
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 2: he's so nice and a little not you're not naive

620
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 2: in the slightest, but you play it, but you were

621
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:10,480
Speaker 2: you were You don't know what you're doing, and so

622
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 2: people keep that around to.

623
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, because they don't.

624
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 2: They probably don't think that you would make it that far. Underdog, Yeah,

625
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:24,320
Speaker 2: we'd be there, but then you would you switch and

626
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 2: then we'd all split.

627
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 1: See, that's a whole different ballgame. I'm like, again, money

628
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 1: or actual death too, completely different.

629
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 2: Well, and again, a lot of people were in the

630
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 2: Korean show, a lot of people this is again that

631
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:37,480
Speaker 2: was fake.

632
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 1: But but well, it's kind of like you start thinking though.

633
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:43,600
Speaker 1: It's like you'd think, I mean, if it's death, obviously

634
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 1: I wondn't do anything. But I'm like, wait a minute,

635
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 1: I have to save myself.

636
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 4: Right.

637
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:48,520
Speaker 1: It's kind of like that whole I don't know, I'm

638
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 1: into it. I gotta go watch it now.

639
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 4: It's love deep. You can catch me in episode seven

640
00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 4: of Friends again. See you next year.

641
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 2: Ah sh