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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: Nobody no case, a prosecutor's worst nightmare, did a wife's

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Speaker 2: sex affair and in dismemberment after her house husband views

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Speaker 2: cook cold porn? What is that? What is cook porn?

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Speaker 2: We're going to find out. I'm Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 3: This is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for

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Speaker 3: being with us.

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Speaker 4: Anna Walsh, a devoted wife and mother dedicated to building

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Speaker 4: a better life for her family, mysteriously goes missing while

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Speaker 4: her husband, Brian is no stranger to troubling pasts, including

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Speaker 4: a conviction for art.

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Speaker 1: Fraud, evidence amassing.

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Speaker 2: In the disappearance of a beautiful, young mom of three

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Speaker 2: gorgeous little boys, Where is Anna Walsh? As the defense

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Speaker 2: for her husband insists nobody no case. As a matter

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Speaker 2: of fact, his theory on where his wife is that

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Speaker 2: she went to a SPA. Okay, straight out to doctor

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Speaker 2: Cheryl Eric joining us a clinical forensic psychologist specializing in

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Speaker 2: trauma just like this. You can find her at askdotor

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Speaker 2: Cheryl dot com. Doctor Cheryl, thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 2: Many theories have been bandied about regarding the disappearance of

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Speaker 2: this young working mom, Anna Walsh. Can I see a

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Speaker 2: picture of Anna, She's absolutely stunning.

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Speaker 1: There you go.

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Speaker 3: I've got a ton of photos of her, if.

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Speaker 2: Only she would come home from the beauty spa where

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Speaker 2: she's been languishing for some time now, Doctor Cheryl, is

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Speaker 2: it true that when a woman is ready to leave

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Speaker 2: her husband or leave her partner she's on the verge

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Speaker 2: of leaving that and when she is pregnant are the

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Speaker 2: most dangerous time for a woman?

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Speaker 1: Why?

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Speaker 5: That is one hundred percent true? And the reason that

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Speaker 5: when she is either pregnant or ready to leave an

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Speaker 5: abusive partner that it is the most dangerous time is

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Speaker 5: because he is losing control of her, and so he

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Speaker 5: in order to maintain control of her. That is when

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Speaker 5: it is most often that she is murdered by her

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Speaker 5: husband or partner or desired ex partner. And women are

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Speaker 5: overwhelmingly murdered by someone close to them, closest to them

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Speaker 5: as significant other of family member. Men are most often

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Speaker 5: murdered by strangers, So overwhelmingly when there is a murder

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Speaker 5: like this, the number one suspect tends to be the spouse.

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Speaker 2: So basically, any relations with men, you're signing your own

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Speaker 2: death want because overwhelmingly, as you just said, doctor Cheryl,

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Speaker 2: and you're correct, and you're backed up by statistics. It's

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Speaker 2: more likely that a woman is killed by an intimate

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Speaker 3: They don't have to be intimate.

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Speaker 2: They could be dating, they could have had one date,

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Speaker 2: they could be talking online.

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Speaker 3: Doesn't matter.

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Speaker 2: And another question regarding psyche and of course that's not

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Speaker 3: Okay, I'm not driving down that lane. You are If Anna.

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Speaker 2: Walsh was murdered, and yes, I think she was, a

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Speaker 2: lot of people will wonder why, Just like in the

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Speaker 2: Brian Coburger case, a lot of people had a hard

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Speaker 2: time connecting the dots that Coburger would murder for innocent

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Speaker 2: University Idaho students with no connection to him at all.

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Speaker 2: He played guilty, So all of you conspiracy theories that

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Speaker 2: keep writing me online and stop.

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Speaker 3: He plaged guilty under oath.

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Speaker 1: He did it.

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Speaker 2: People will wonder why, in a seemingly loving relationship would

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Speaker 2: the husband get a wild hair up as you know

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Speaker 2: what and murder his wife. Tell me about jealousy and

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Speaker 2: anger that simmers below the surface when the husband stays

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Speaker 5: There's a tremendous amount of envy and often feeling emasculated

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Speaker 5: by this situation. This man was not able to move

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Speaker 5: to DC and join her, and she had a high paying,

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Speaker 5: high power job. He had some legal issues and problem.

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Speaker 2: Wait a minute, are you telling me the husband gets

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Speaker 2: upset that he doesn't have to get up out of

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Speaker 3: That is the cause for insane hold on.

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Speaker 2: I was about to say insane jealousy, but I'm hearing

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Speaker 3: Doctor Cheryl.

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Speaker 2: Joining me right now on the scene is Brian Fitzgibbons,

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Speaker 2: the director of Operations USPA Nationwide Security. He leads a

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Speaker 2: team of investigators all around the world and you can

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Speaker 2: find him at USPA Underscore Nationwide Underscore Security.

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Speaker 3: Brian, thank you for being with us. You're not in

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Speaker 6: Nancy. Where I'm standing, I'm about half a mile from

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Speaker 6: the residence that brought that Anna Walsh police say was

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Speaker 6: murdered and dismembered by her husband, Brian Walsh. So the

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Speaker 6: Massachusetts from where I'm standing.

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Speaker 2: Now, Okay, I just got a quick question for the

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Speaker 2: control room. Could I see that map very quickly. Bryan

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Speaker 2: fus Gibbons is joining us near the scene where we

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Speaker 2: believe Anna was murdered and dismembered.

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Speaker 3: And I've never seen on top.

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Speaker 2: Of a map husband hubby watches kinky porn before wife disappears.

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Speaker 3: Is that a city?

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Speaker 2: Is that a county? Don't know why that's on the map?

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Speaker 2: Control room. But that said, we'll get to the cuckold

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Speaker 2: porn in just a moment. Brian Fitzgibbons described the home

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Speaker 2: where many believe Brian Walsh murdered Anna a completely disposed

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Speaker 3: There is no body, and of.

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Speaker 2: Course Brian Walsh is running up and down the calls

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Speaker 2: of the courthouse in glee. There's nobody and he thinks

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Speaker 2: he will walk free. I beg to different describe the

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Speaker 2: home please.

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Speaker 6: The residence is a single family, two story home. It's

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Speaker 6: it's a nice a nice house. It's set back off

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Speaker 6: of Route three A in Cohasset, Massachusetts, so it is

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Speaker 6: quite secluded in a quiet place to live.

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Speaker 2: You know, when you say secluded, Brian Fitzgibbons, all I

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Speaker 3: A power saw. You stated that it's two.

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Speaker 2: Story, Does that include a basement. Can you tell from

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Speaker 2: looking at the outside, because in my experience, even though

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Speaker 2: that would have not had any idea about what was

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Speaker 2: and over people retreat to the basement for Nefari's doings.

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Speaker 2: But can you tell if there is a basement.

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Speaker 7: There is a basement, Nancy.

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Speaker 6: This is evident in police reports and just the standard

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Speaker 6: type of homes built out here, these two story colonial

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Speaker 6: homes in New England all have basements.

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Speaker 3: Tell me about the neighborhood place, Like I.

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Speaker 6: Said, the home the address is actually Route three A,

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Speaker 6: which is the main thoroughfare in Cohasset, But the house

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Speaker 1: I mean, cahasse.

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Speaker 2: Let me go to Ann Emerson joining us biv Is

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Speaker 2: Gibbons is on the scene there Inca has it and

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Speaker 2: Emerson joining a senior investigative reporter with criminally obsessed on

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Speaker 2: YouTube and she's the star of Unsolved South Carolina. The

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Speaker 2: murderach murders, money and mysteries and thank you for being

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Speaker 2: with us. And that is stinking rich, you know, compared

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Speaker 2: to where I came from, on a dirt road in

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Speaker 2: rural Georgia. But Ann, the median income is around two

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Speaker 2: hundred thousand dollars for the family. And I've seen Walsh's home.

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Speaker 2: They were sitting pretty. I don't get it. He's got

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Speaker 2: What's there to complain about? Ann Emerson.

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Speaker 8: He's in big trouble, Nancy. He's in big, big trouble.

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Speaker 8: He's in a federal investigation because he is already been

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Speaker 8: found out to have been trying to send out forged

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Speaker 8: Andy Warhol paintings, if you can believe it, And he

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Speaker 8: is facing a federal investigation. He's facing a four hundred

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Speaker 8: not happy, and she has been moving toward her home

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Speaker 3: He's looking at An and Emerson.

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Speaker 2: This guy forges Andy Warhol's or he has somebody forged

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, I think he definitely was trying to

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Speaker 8: look like the good guy here, like the loving, wonderful

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Speaker 3: I don't get it.

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Speaker 2: High profile lawyer joining US attorney and digital forensic investigator

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Speaker 2: Maurice Thompson FORESTA, thanks for being.

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Speaker 3: With us, Matthew.

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Speaker 2: How can a wife or a husband be duped that profoundly?

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Speaker 3: She had no idea.

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Speaker 2: She's married to a con man who's selling fake Andy Warhols.

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Speaker 3: And not only that, he doesn't even.

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Speaker 2: Fake it very well because he gets busted by the Feds.

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Speaker 9: Well, some people are really good at being common. I've

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Speaker 9: had lots of cases where people are able because they

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Speaker 9: The problem comes when people stop believing them and they

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Speaker 3: Guys.

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Speaker 2: It all started when Anna Walch seemingly disappears as her

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Speaker 2: I want you to hear what Walch says. Let's hear

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Speaker 10: And she woke me up around six parents and she

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Speaker 11: I guess Thomas heard her and came down and she

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Speaker 11: said I have to go, and he said, I love

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Speaker 10: And then he said, so that she left me run

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Speaker 11: But I don't think he saw it because it was

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Speaker 11: I think I could maybe Anna's a taxi and maybe

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Speaker 11: she's my driver, like, but I know that she was

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Speaker 10: There's village. She was driving her vehicul and there's like

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Speaker 10: zero possibility of that.

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Speaker 2: I want you to listen very carefully to Brian Walt

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Speaker 3: To his wife.

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Speaker 2: You know, Brian Fitzgibbons, I love nothing better and you

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Speaker 2: have handled so many investigations.

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Speaker 3: Then when I get a very.

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Speaker 2: Long detailed statement from my target. Now, for many years

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Speaker 2: it wasn't on video. There may not be a recording,

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Speaker 2: and the jury, if there is one, had to just

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Speaker 3: This is on recording.

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Speaker 2: Now he says he actually ropes in one of his

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Speaker 2: I heard her say here's my driver. That's a lot

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Speaker 2: of detail, Brian Fitzgibbons. And the more detail you can

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Speaker 2: Brian has gibbons, you and I and I'm fascinating with this.

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Speaker 3: I watch her lie, and she does it so well.

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Speaker 2: She changed her story over and over and over to

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Speaker 10: You know, did you sleep through that whole morning routine?

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Speaker 10: I used to get up and she was like you

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Speaker 10: was like, you're right, But she she talked and kisses me.

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Speaker 2: She kisses him all right, that she's getting up in

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Speaker 2: Because you know, calls from cell phones obviously can be tracked,

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Speaker 7: You know, Brian Walsh, being the accomplished fabricator of his

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Speaker 2: You know another thing, Dave Matt and I remember catching

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Speaker 1: Wait, hey, just wait an hour.

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Speaker 2: It's like a bus and you can catch the next one.

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Speaker 3: But more important than.

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Speaker 2: That is the fact that her phone pinged elsewhere.

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Speaker 3: So he's just spinning it all out, and you know

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Speaker 2: He just showed me a photo and I distinctly spot

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Speaker 2: I wonder how that happened. Isn't it true, Ann Emerson

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Speaker 8: It was a very unhealthy relationship, and it sounds like

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Speaker 8: that's really what we're saying. This beautiful, gorgeous woman, very

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Speaker 8: just it's beyond nancy, It's beyond defense.

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Speaker 12: Attorney Larry Tipton tells of the loving, wonderful marriage of

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Speaker 4: Up to Anna's disappearance, Brian becomes consumed by jealousy, obsessively

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Speaker 4: Could this have been the tippy point?

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Speaker 2: What specifically is cut called porn? To you, Doctor Sheryl Erict,

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Speaker 5: It's pornography that eroticizes a partner cheating on you. And

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Speaker 5: it can be voyeuristic of somebody watching their partner be

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Speaker 5: a way of eroticizing that loss of control, a way

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Speaker 5: I look at this like he went back and forth

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Speaker 2: You know why, Dinna Cheryl, I really respect you, but

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Speaker 3: I'm not buying that. Listen.

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Speaker 12: Three days before Anna Walsh has last seen alive, a

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: RYF has Gibbons joining US Director Operations, USPA Nationwide Security.

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Speaker 2: He's joining us from the ritzy neighborhood of Cahasset where

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Speaker 2: police believe Anna Walsh was murdered and dismembered. You know,

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Speaker 2: you and I I believe agree Brian has Gibbons that

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Speaker 2: there is no coincidence in criminal law, and I do

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Speaker 2: not believe that Brian Walsh stumbled upon porn hub videos,

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Speaker 2: cook porn, cuckold porn.

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Speaker 3: You know where it is, as doctor RYL.

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Speaker 2: Errett said, romanticized, like the husband comes home and he

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Speaker 3: Oh, I'm so surprised. And then he sneaks in the

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Speaker 2: I don't think that's what happened, And it's not that

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Speaker 2: airbrushed on porn Hub. I don't think he stumbled across cook.

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Speaker 3: Porn on porn Hub.

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Speaker 2: Like when I turn on my iPad or my laptop,

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Speaker 2: porn Hub doesn't just pop up with cut porn. You

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Speaker 2: have to find it, Fitzgibbons, you have to go look

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Listen.

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Speaker 6: Investigators are revealing a really dark and damning digital history

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Speaker 6: phone searches internet activity on these pornography sites. This can't

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Speaker 6: be a coincidence. The searches, the pornography and then ultimately

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Speaker 6: what happened to Anna.

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Speaker 2: Walsh and Matthew Morris joining us. I profile a lawyer

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Speaker 2: and digital forensic investigator. Matthew how many times in child

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Speaker 2: porn cases? Because just a guy watching porn is not

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Speaker 2: Fifty percent of the husbands in the country would be

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Speaker 3: Row right now.

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Speaker 2: But Matthew, the likelihood that cut porn just pops up

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Speaker 3: You're the digital expert. How likely is that?

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Speaker 9: Well, it's definitely not going to pop up on your

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Speaker 9: And that looks like that's what happened here.

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Speaker 2: Okay, you know, I don't like what you just said, Matthew.

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Speaker 2: They end up where they end up. It sounds like

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Speaker 2: n oh, cook porn, cook old porn where typically the

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Speaker 2: I guess gets into it watching them. That's a very

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Speaker 2: You have to seek it out.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I guess When I say you end up where

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Speaker 3: There's a whole Pandora's box of.

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Speaker 2: Misogyny and psychoanalysis that I'm not equipped to make sense,

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Speaker 2: but you are. I'm imagining Brian Walsh watching this video,

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Speaker 2: a CUK porn video, cuck hold porn.

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Speaker 3: What is a CUK called.

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Speaker 2: It's a man whose wife is cheating on him sexually,

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Speaker 2: That's what that means.

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Speaker 3: So where would the theory.

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Speaker 2: That he is actually sadistic fit into him?

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Speaker 1: Brian Walsh. Walsh watching a.

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Speaker 2: Woman who's obviously his wife's substitute being raped or having

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Speaker 5: Well degrading porn of a woman who represents your wife.

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Speaker 5: There would be layers to that of sadism. We see,

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Speaker 5: of course, the most profound sadism with actually cutting up

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Speaker 5: as you say, Pandora's box with this what this kind

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Speaker 5: There can be arousal looking at the man in the pornography.

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Speaker 5: There there are so many different layers.

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Speaker 3: Place, you know what.

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Speaker 2: Look around, dactor, Cheryl, Are you at Windsor Castle having

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Speaker 3: No you're not.

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Speaker 2: You're on crime stories with Nancy Grace. So let's not

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Speaker 2: airbrush the truth. Jery's don't like it. You said that

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Speaker 3: He mean the man's penis.

446
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Speaker 2: So is this kind of a Sean Diddy Combs scenario

447
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Speaker 2: we've got going on here? Or Combs would sit in

448
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Speaker 2: the corner during freak offs, rest in a burka from

449
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:05,200
Speaker 2: here up, naked from here down, and watch somebody else

450
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Speaker 2: a sex worker have sex with his girlfriend, I e.

451
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Speaker 2: Cassi Ventura. Is that what we're talking about here?

452
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what we're talk so's by sexuality? Why not

453
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Speaker 3: just come out with that? Why live a lie?

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Speaker 2: Okay, so you've got that going on. You have the

455
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Speaker 2: voyeurism going on. What is voyeurism?

456
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Speaker 5: Being sexually excited by watching other people have sex or

457
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Speaker 5: be naked things like that.

458
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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, again, let's not put perfume on the pig these.

459
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Speaker 2: This is not a work by Reuben Okay, naked. This

460
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Speaker 2: is a guy watching another guy have sex with his wife.

461
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Speaker 2: To put it again ephemistically, so we've got him watching

462
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Speaker 2: another guy's penis.

463
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Speaker 3: I don't care. I'm not judging. I'm all about the murder,

464
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Speaker 3: all right.

465
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Speaker 2: And the fact that he's watching the degradation of a

466
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Speaker 2: wife substitute just before she disappears to a spa.

467
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Speaker 3: Okay to me, that's proved. If that means something.

468
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Speaker 2: You have the sadistic feature of this seeing the wife

469
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:19,440
Speaker 2: Anna's fill in on video being degraded by a man,

470
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Speaker 2: and you have the masochistic aspect of this that he's

471
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Speaker 2: humiliating himself the man watching the wife have an affair.

472
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Speaker 3: Okay, this is a Pandora's box.

473
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Speaker 2: I mean to you, Dave mac joining me Crime Stories

474
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Speaker 2: investigative reporter.

475
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Speaker 3: When was he watching the coke Hold porn seventh?

476
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 2: Okay, that's three days before Anna is last seen alive.

477
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:52,639
Speaker 2: The porn video is viewed on Walsh's laptop about a

478
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Speaker 2: quote cheating wife.

479
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Speaker 3: Why do I care?

480
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Speaker 2: Brian Fitzgibbons. I care because a jear. We'll want to

481
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Speaker 2: hear motive. Motive, And this tells me that Brian Walsh

482
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Speaker 2: knew his wife was sick of her common husband and

483
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Speaker 2: was having an affair.

484
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Speaker 3: That's what it tells me.

485
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Speaker 2: He's watching a video about a cheating wife. He knows

486
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Speaker 2: his wife's cheating. Is that such a leap.

487
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Speaker 11: Not at all?

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Speaker 14: And you know, prosecutors and investigators are going to build

489
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Speaker 14: all of these circumstantial pieces around this story to paint

490
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Speaker 14: a picture of the state of mind of Brian Walsh,

491
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Speaker 14: the state of mind of Anna Walsh at the time

492
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Speaker 14: of the murder.

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Speaker 6: Right, So this is very key to paint that picture.

494
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Speaker 15: And it becomes romantically involved with another man, William Fastau,

495
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 15: and Brian is looking for a way out and is

496
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Speaker 15: with Fastaw on Christmas Eve and misses her flight back

497
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Speaker 15: to Cohasset, ending up driving back home and missing most

498
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Speaker 15: of Christmas with her family. Less than forty eight hours later,

499
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Speaker 15: Brian wallsh's online looking for favorable states for men to

500
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Speaker 15: get a divorce.

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Speaker 10: In mind, what do you think she us right now?

502
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Speaker 11: You know, I like a lot of people that I said,

503
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Speaker 11: maybe she's at a spa, you know, and she was

504
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 11: under a lot of pressure.

505
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 10: Doesn't remind her doesn't really tracked with my wife.

506
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:23,720
Speaker 11: She loved her job, she loved her family, so she's

507
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 11: always been focused on that. And maybe the country happens

508
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 11: selectly in Bella, Serbia. But yeah, I can't I can't

509
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Speaker 11: imagine having a hard time. I mat having a hard time.

510
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Speaker 2: Okay, a minute joining me Anne Emerson, the star of

511
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 2: Unsolved South Carolina, the murderog Murders, Money and mystery.

512
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Speaker 3: And did he just say his wife could be at

513
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Speaker 3: a spot in Serbia.

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Speaker 8: It's so ridiculous. It's almost like he's trying to like

515
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 8: come up with with different scenarios so that they'll just

516
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 8: go away and stop asking him where his wife is.

517
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Speaker 8: And the fact that are these these investigators are immediately

518
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Speaker 8: like what are you talking about? I mean, it's not

519
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:11,200
Speaker 8: even like we've we've cornered him. It's like he's just

520
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 8: this is kind to be one of the dumbest like

521
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 8: ideas anyone's ever had.

522
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Speaker 2: You know what, He can talk about a spa in

523
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Speaker 2: Serbia all he wants, but his Google searches tell a

524
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 2: very different story. For instance, way to dispose of body

525
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 2: parts after murder? How long before a body starts to smell?

526
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:35,160
Speaker 2: How to stop a body from decomposing? How to embalm

527
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 2: a body? How long for someone to be missing to inherit?

528
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 2: Can you throw away body parts?

529
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Speaker 6: Cool?

530
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Speaker 2: Ways to be buried? That's my personal favorite. How long

531
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Speaker 2: does DNA last? How about forever?

532
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 3: Walch? How to dispose of cell phone? Computer? Can luminol

533
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 3: to take blood? Hello?

534
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Speaker 15: Yes?

535
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Speaker 3: How to dismember a body? Can baking? So to make

536
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Speaker 3: a dead body smell? Good? Good?

537
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 2: Your spouse is missing and you want a divorce. There's more,

538
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 2: but I want you to hear once police find those

539
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 2: Google searches, those damning Google searches. This is his new

540
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:22,960
Speaker 2: explanation about what happened to his wife.

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Speaker 3: Listen.

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Speaker 12: After entertaining friends on New Year's Eve, Brian Walsh sends

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Speaker 12: wife Anna to bed while he cleans up. In the

544
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Speaker 12: early morning hours of the New Year. Walsh crawls into

545
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Speaker 12: bed and nudges his wife and it doesn't respond. In

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Speaker 12: that moment, Brian Walsh realizes his wife is dead. Sudden

547
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 12: unexplained death, a medical phenomenon that few people ever even

548
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Speaker 12: heard of.

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Speaker 2: Joining me now, Doctor Thomas Coin, Chief medical Examiner, district

550
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:54,480
Speaker 2: to Medical Examiner's Office, State of Florida. He is a

551
00:31:54,520 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 2: forensic pathologist. He's a toxicologist. He is a neuropathologist. I'd

552
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 2: really like to talk to you about neuropathology. But guess what,

553
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 2: I don't have Anna Walsh's head. Now, doctor Coin, we

554
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 2: can assume without a body, that these Google searches tell

555
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 2: us that Anna has been dead and dismembered based on

556
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 2: the search. How do you dismember a body? How do

557
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 2: you dismember a body?

558
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 3: Dodgor Coin?

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00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 2: But first, what is this sudden, unexplained death phenomena?

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Speaker 13: Yeah, there's no real basis for that diagnosis. I mean,

561
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 13: and my line of work, well, the only way that

562
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:44,479
Speaker 13: I would call something undetermined or suddenly or unexplained, if

563
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 13: you will, is after a thorough investigation. It's a diagnosis

564
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 13: of exclusion. So the only way to arrive at that

565
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:54,720
Speaker 13: diagnosis is to do a thorough investigation, which includes an autopsy,

566
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Speaker 13: which wasn't done in this case. So there's no basis

567
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Speaker 13: to that claim that you died soddenly or unexpectedly. And now,

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Speaker 13: there are instances of persons with epilepsy about one in

569
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Speaker 13: the thousand adults who have epilepsy can die in their sleep,

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Speaker 13: and that's called sou dep or sudden unexplained death in

571
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Speaker 13: persons with epilepsy. But there's no evidence here that she

572
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:17,480
Speaker 13: ever had any seizures or history of epilepsy, so again

573
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Speaker 13: highly unlikely. There's just no real basis to that claim.

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00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 2: Undetermined means very often when people quote die in their

575
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:30,960
Speaker 2: sleep unexplained, we find out later there was an explanation.

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Speaker 2: I had a very very dear friend I worked with

577
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Speaker 2: in the District Attorney's office. She was an Adya, died

578
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 2: in her sleep, and I went off the rails, claiming

579
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Speaker 2: that was impossible.

580
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Speaker 3: Well, it was impossible. This is what happened. She was

581
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Speaker 3: on she would take something at night.

582
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Speaker 2: Help her sleep, like ambient or something, and she then

583
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Speaker 2: took another peal because she was going to have oral

584
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Speaker 2: surgery and she had been described the other peel in

585
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Speaker 2: print for the surgery, and they combined and somehow killed

586
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Speaker 2: her in then, and there had to be a very

587
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 2: exhaustive toxicology to test to figure out what had happened.

588
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 2: An you have people like I'm sure you're familiar with

589
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:14,800
Speaker 2: Caultmom Laurie Valo and her crazy prophet husband his wife,

590
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 2: Tammy died in her sleep.

591
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 3: Turns out she was asphyxiated.

592
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Speaker 2: So I'm not buying to die in your sleep of

593
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:25,320
Speaker 2: natural causes either, doctor Coin. So you think that's lame, correct.

594
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:28,439
Speaker 13: Absolutely, It's very rare for a person to die without

595
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Speaker 13: any cause, especially a person just from looking at our pictures,

596
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:33,880
Speaker 13: she seems very healthy, and we've heard no reporter for

597
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Speaker 13: having any underlying meattal conditions, and so very rare for

598
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Speaker 13: an adult person to die of undetermined causes. We have

599
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Speaker 13: so many tools at our disposal to figure out that

600
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Speaker 13: cause of death. So had there been a body, I'm

601
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Speaker 13: sure we would have been able to determine, which I

602
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:49,840
Speaker 13: think in this case would have been murdered.

603
00:34:55,600 --> 00:35:03,360
Speaker 2: Crime stories with Nancy Gray. Now to the Google search,

604
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Speaker 2: how do you dismember a body?

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Speaker 3: I think you know the answer to that, doctor Coin.

606
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 13: Yeah, I think you know. Just coming out of Thanksgiving,

607
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 13: it's very difficult, right. Think about a turkey, right, In

608
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 13: order to cut through a turkey, you have to physically

609
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Speaker 13: break the joint or disarticulate the joints that connect to

610
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 13: the body and then use a very sharp knife to

611
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:27,400
Speaker 13: cut through those. So you have to have some underlying

612
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Speaker 13: understanding of human anatomy to do that. But a human

613
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 13: is much bigger than a turkey, so it's a lot

614
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Speaker 13: harder to do. So it would be a lot of work,

615
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Speaker 13: and there would also be a lot of blood. So

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Speaker 13: you would have to do it in an area that

617
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Speaker 13: you can effectively clean up or not leave any evidence thereof,

618
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Speaker 13: such as a carpeted, you know, room you'd want to

619
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Speaker 13: you know, have all of your appropriate tools in place,

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Speaker 13: and so for a body. Very often in my cases

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Speaker 13: that I've worked up, I've seen people use knives, saws,

622
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Speaker 13: both electric and manual saws, as well as chainsaws or

623
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Speaker 13: other bigger devices.

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Speaker 3: So his claim, uh, go with me on this. Brian Fitzgibbons.

625
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Speaker 2: His claim that he woke up and found Anna dead

626
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Speaker 2: inner sleep next to him is belied disproved by his

627
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Speaker 2: Google search ways to dispose of body parts after the murder.

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Speaker 3: Murder, Well, he just said she died in her sleep.

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Speaker 2: We also find out that he was obsessed with and

630
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Speaker 2: searched for the trash bag killer Patrick Kearney, a serial killer.

631
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Speaker 2: He researches how to clean up the mess made from

632
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Speaker 2: dismembering someone, and he even asked did dishwashers remove blood

633
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Speaker 2: and if he should trash his blood stained closed. There's Keernie.

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Speaker 2: He's a fine looking fellow. But to Bryan Fitzgibbons, that's

635
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Speaker 2: a subtle but critical fact. He looked, how do I

636
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:03,919
Speaker 2: dispose body parts after murder? Not after finding my wife

637
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Speaker 2: dead in her sleep.

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Speaker 6: That's a great point, and the defense here is asking

639
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Speaker 6: us to take an incredible leap, right to walk a

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00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 6: long way to say that number one, these searches exist,

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00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 6: right and explain those a way that this was just

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00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 6: born out of a moment of panic, that his wife

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Speaker 6: was found dead in the bed and then his next

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Speaker 6: move is to dismember her.

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Speaker 10: Right.

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Speaker 6: This is a wild connection they're asking us to make here.

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Speaker 2: There are also photos we've obtained of the alleged cleanup.

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Speaker 2: While we're looking at those photos, Dave Mac, what was found?

649
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Speaker 2: And what can you tell me about video of him

650
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Speaker 2: throwing out tra Oh my goodness, he was a busy bee,

651
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Speaker 2: wasn't he. This must be a Black Friday's hell because

652
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Speaker 2: he's really stocking up on cleaning supplies.

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Speaker 3: Dave Mac, what did he get? I believe if it

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Speaker 3: was home depot.

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Speaker 7: It was at home depot and at Loe's he actually

656
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Speaker 7: was getting He got a Tiebeck suit, you know, one

657
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Speaker 7: of the things you wear when you're cleaning up you know,

658
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Speaker 7: hazardous waist. Of course he got bagged and he got

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Speaker 7: all the cleaning supply, you know, bleach and everything you

660
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Speaker 7: could possibly use to clean up a huge mess. But

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Speaker 7: you know, inside the house, beyond finding well what appeared

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Speaker 7: to be blood, they found a lot hacksaw, a blade,

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Speaker 7: you know, with what appeared to be blood on it.

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Speaker 7: It was like everything they found had blood on it.

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Speaker 7: And then you mentioned what was seen on video. Well,

666
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Speaker 7: as the investigators were trying to check out the stories

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00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:50,280
Speaker 7: that Brian Walsh was telling, they sent six investigators into

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00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 7: the area where Walsh claimed he was. You know when

669
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:55,719
Speaker 7: he said he went to the grocery store. Well they

670
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 7: sent detectives like we're going to find out, and of

671
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 7: course they were able to find out he was nowhere

672
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Speaker 7: where he said he was. But they've got him on

673
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 7: video going up to trash hands, public trash hands, apartment

674
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Speaker 7: trash hands and dumping huge bags, sealed bags of garbage,

675
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Speaker 7: just dumping it away all over.

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Speaker 2: You know what Dave mac this, Oh there he is,

677
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 2: you know he I didn't want to guess he didn't

678
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 2: want to get caught in the rush hour traffic. He

679
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 2: decided to throw out all those trash bags in the

680
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 2: dark of night. And he's bringing back a lot of

681
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:35,719
Speaker 2: fond memories of another guy that murdered his wife, allegedly

682
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 2: photus at Dulos, may he rotten hell. He murdered his wife,

683
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 2: the mother of his five children, Jennifer Dulos, and he

684
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:50,840
Speaker 2: and his mistress, Michelle Traconis were videoed all around town

685
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Speaker 2: throwing Oh.

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00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:54,400
Speaker 3: There you go, Photus Doulos.

687
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Speaker 2: I wonder how many times I view this throwing out

688
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 2: trash bags. And he took the time to go to

689
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 2: over a dozen public trash cans and get rid of

690
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Speaker 2: trash bags like Kearnie, full of bloody rags, bloody towels,

691
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 2: a bloody bra, his wife's bloody clothing, all over town

692
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Speaker 2: and gleefully wingman Michiel Traconnas. There she goes, she dropped

693
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:23,440
Speaker 2: her cell phone and had to pick it up. She's

694
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Speaker 2: caught on video too. That sounds like a fun afternoon date.

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00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:29,799
Speaker 2: Let's go dispose of your wife's bloody clothes. And now

696
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:35,439
Speaker 2: this dare I say, idiot? Brian Walsh is caught on

697
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:46,480
Speaker 2: video Dave mac throwing out multiple damning pieces of evidence.

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Speaker 3: Where did he throw them? Dave?

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Speaker 7: He threw them in an apartment complex trash dumpster near

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00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:58,879
Speaker 7: his mother's home where his mother lives.

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Speaker 2: They all run home to mommy. You know, just for once,

702
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:07,799
Speaker 2: Brian Fitzgibbons, Can somebody surprise me?

703
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:09,359
Speaker 3: You know?

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00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 2: It's like people always a like homing pigeons. They go

705
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 2: to where they're familiar. For instance, here's a great one

706
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:19,759
Speaker 2: I always use, Scott Peterson. Where does he dump his

707
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 2: wife Lacy in their unborn child's body in his fishing hole?

708
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 2: That's where he takes him. San Francisco Bay. He goes

709
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 2: to his old marina where he always goes, and he

710
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 2: spotted in his vehicle with the boat in the back

711
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:35,279
Speaker 2: and her body in the back of the boat covered

712
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:35,879
Speaker 2: up with a tarp.

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00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 3: Surprise me, Where does this guy go Mommy's.

714
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 2: He goes to her location on this long cecuitist route,

715
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 2: just like Brian Coburger, this.

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00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:48,839
Speaker 3: Long secutust route. He says he got lost.

717
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 2: On the way to his mom's and along the way

718
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:53,520
Speaker 2: he dumps all the evidence.

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Speaker 9: What about it, Fitzgibbons, And I'll add another one that

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Speaker 9: you and I have both worked on.

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Speaker 6: Nikki Sale McCain. You know Tyler McCain back at his

722
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 6: mother's residence on the Reading Rancheria right after she went missing.

723
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Speaker 6: You know we see this time and again. They're gonna

724
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:12,440
Speaker 6: go to a familiar place.

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Speaker 13: Uh.

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Speaker 6: He probably believed that that dumpster did not have video

727
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:20,800
Speaker 6: surveillance on it. It is my guess that he was

728
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:23,880
Speaker 6: familiar with the dumpster and didn't think it was being surveilled.

729
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:27,279
Speaker 2: Let's hear him try to talk his way out of this.

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00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:30,839
Speaker 2: Listen to Brian Walsh from the Horse's Mouth.

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Speaker 3: I can't make this up.

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Speaker 10: There is dozens of surgers. And then on the morning

733
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Speaker 10: of the first how to dispose of the body, how

734
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:45,239
Speaker 10: to get blood out of hardwood? For us? How do

735
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 10: you dispose of the body of the tread? How to

736
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:55,880
Speaker 10: uh saw the body from deposing? And how do you

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00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 10: explain that, I'm right here?

738
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Speaker 2: How do you get blood out of hardwood floors? How

739
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:07,000
Speaker 2: to dispose of a body in the trash? How to

740
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 2: stop a body from decomposing? Well that's not all here,

741
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:15,160
Speaker 2: he tries to rope in his own children.

742
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Speaker 10: How do you explain that?

743
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 5: Well?

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Speaker 10: Four fifty four in the morning. The idea Yeady is wearying.

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Speaker 11: The ten ths ways to be spoil the week in

746
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Speaker 11: Boston four one.

747
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Speaker 10: I tell me no idea that Thomas sleep and well,

748
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:42,719
Speaker 10: Thomas's group the iPad Thomas Alia. I mean I don't

749
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:44,799
Speaker 10: use that iPad, So that's good.

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Speaker 3: The area, Yeah, that is really weird. Brian Walsh, we

751
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:52,959
Speaker 3: wait as just as unfolds in a court of law.

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00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 2: If you know or think you know anything about Anna

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00:43:57,239 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 2: Walsh's murder, please call aka has seven eight one eight

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Speaker 2: three zero four nine nine zero seven eight one eight

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00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:09,359
Speaker 2: three zero four nine nine zero.

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Speaker 3: And now we remember an American.

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Speaker 2: Hero, Sergeant Terry Mascow, Indian River County Sheriffs, shot in

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00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:21,480
Speaker 2: the light of duty, serving twenty five years, leaving behind

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Speaker 2: a grieving husband, a daughter, and a stepson. American hero

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Speaker 2: Sergeant Terry Mascow. Nancy Gray signing off good bye friend,