WEBVTT - George Conway & Indivisible 0:00:00.640 --> 0:00:04.160 Hi, I'm Molli John Fast and this is Fast Politics, 0:00:04.360 --> 0:00:07.120 where we discussed the top political headlines with some of 0:00:07.160 --> 0:00:10.680 today's best minds, and Donald Trump says, I don't think 0:00:10.720 --> 0:00:13.080 there's anything that's going to get me into heaven. We 0:00:13.160 --> 0:00:15.920 have such a great show for you today. The Society 0:00:15.960 --> 0:00:20.040 for the Rule of Law's own George Conway stops by 0:00:20.239 --> 0:00:24.759 to talk about Trump's increasingly erratic and disturbing behavior. Then 0:00:24.800 --> 0:00:30.800 we'll talk to indivisibles Leah Greenberg and Ezra Levin about 0:00:31.320 --> 0:00:35.600 meeting this moment with this week's peaceful No King's Rally. 0:00:35.720 --> 0:00:38.600 But first, the story is the media is missing so. 0:00:38.680 --> 0:00:41.960 Mally JP Morgan, one of the biggest financial institutes in 0:00:42.000 --> 0:00:45.400 our country. They said that America is going broke slowly 0:00:45.600 --> 0:00:49.760 as the national depth balloons in tariff revenue looks well questionable. 0:00:49.960 --> 0:00:52.239 You are really into this story about the dead. I 0:00:52.400 --> 0:00:52.839 love you. 0:00:53.280 --> 0:00:57.319 It's always telling when the people who want to keep 0:00:57.360 --> 0:00:59.680 our economy optimistic have to go. 0:01:00.600 --> 0:01:03.480 I mean, the debt is a huge problem and Republicans 0:01:03.560 --> 0:01:05.920 used to care about it, but they don't anymore. And 0:01:06.000 --> 0:01:08.800 so since they don't care about it, I can't care 0:01:08.840 --> 0:01:11.040 about it. No, this is stupid we grew the debt 0:01:11.080 --> 0:01:12.959 by the way we grew the debt with the BBB 0:01:13.120 --> 0:01:17.120 three point four trillion dollars. Why so that Trump could 0:01:17.160 --> 0:01:22.000 give Ice billions and billions of dollars. Yes, his paramidlitary 0:01:22.040 --> 0:01:27.120 force that wears facial coverings. That group needs more money 0:01:27.240 --> 0:01:31.640 so that they can detain people who look a certain way. 0:01:31.800 --> 0:01:36.399 We call it a Kavanaugh stopped sensioned by Justice Brett Kavanaugh, 0:01:36.440 --> 0:01:40.520 who said, in fact that he's fine with racial profiling. 0:01:40.640 --> 0:01:45.400 So billions of dollars to Trump's paramilitary force so that 0:01:45.480 --> 0:01:49.160 they can stop people who look hispanic. I don't think 0:01:49.160 --> 0:01:52.760 it's a great use of our tax dollars personally, but 0:01:52.880 --> 0:01:53.840 that's just me. 0:01:54.280 --> 0:01:56.800 Yeah, I can't say I find this good, but I 0:01:56.840 --> 0:02:00.720 think it's always a grim economic forecast, while or Trump's 0:02:00.760 --> 0:02:04.440 whole financial cabinet trying to pretend that we're not going 0:02:04.480 --> 0:02:06.800 down to a bad place in our economy. 0:02:06.480 --> 0:02:10.200 All billionaires, a cabinet filled with billionaires, all of whom 0:02:10.639 --> 0:02:16.960 want to lessen their tax burden so that they can 0:02:17.440 --> 0:02:20.160 just get whatever they want. And these are people who 0:02:20.200 --> 0:02:23.919 know better but don't pare because they want to pay 0:02:24.000 --> 0:02:24.639 us taxes. 0:02:25.120 --> 0:02:27.000 All right, Well, now, we're going to get to the 0:02:27.080 --> 0:02:29.720 really fun stuff. So Politico, known as. 0:02:29.600 --> 0:02:35.040 A inside the Beltway both siding their way to autocracy, 0:02:35.160 --> 0:02:37.400 couldn't have put it better. I love them putting the 0:02:37.560 --> 0:02:41.679 fun and fascism one one two siding article. 0:02:41.400 --> 0:02:44.280 At the time, Well they've put up a pretty ugly 0:02:44.360 --> 0:02:47.720 one on one side. I love Hitler. Leaked messages exposed 0:02:47.720 --> 0:02:50.520 young Republicans racist Chad. I'm going to be honest with you. 0:02:50.760 --> 0:02:53.480 They led with the I love Hitler. There's like ten 0:02:53.480 --> 0:02:57.000 flavors of awful, awful messages in these things, because they 0:02:57.000 --> 0:03:00.560 got thousands of private messages that showed many of the 0:03:00.960 --> 0:03:04.640 young GOP leaders, you know, all young Republican groups, and 0:03:04.880 --> 0:03:08.720 they are talking about murdering their enemies and the Democratic Party, 0:03:09.120 --> 0:03:11.919 that the gas chambers aren't good enough. Things like that. 0:03:12.320 --> 0:03:15.600 Yeah, so they refer to black people as monkeys and 0:03:15.800 --> 0:03:18.720 quote of the watermelon people mused about putting their political 0:03:18.880 --> 0:03:22.000 opponents in gas chambers. They talked about raping their enemies 0:03:22.040 --> 0:03:25.160 and driving them to suicide. And a lot of Republicans 0:03:25.200 --> 0:03:29.760 who they believe supported slavery Kansas young Republican vice chair 0:03:30.000 --> 0:03:34.560 used the N word. That is probably all you need 0:03:34.560 --> 0:03:39.120 to know about this moment in history. These people are 0:03:39.160 --> 0:03:42.960 not pretending to be white supremacists. It's not a troll. 0:03:43.400 --> 0:03:44.240 It's who they are. 0:03:44.480 --> 0:03:46.000 It's not a troll, it's a brand. 0:03:46.400 --> 0:03:48.880 By the way, everyone that votes know is going to 0:03:48.880 --> 0:03:51.760 the gas chamber. They're going to say they were kidding. Also, 0:03:51.920 --> 0:03:54.280 can I just tell you, like, these are the people 0:03:54.280 --> 0:03:57.520 who are running the Republican Party. These are people the 0:03:57.600 --> 0:04:01.560 general counsel to the New York State Republicans. I'm ready 0:04:01.560 --> 0:04:04.960 to watch people burn now new York's National Committee member. 0:04:05.440 --> 0:04:09.440 These are telegram chats leaders of the Republican Party in 0:04:09.440 --> 0:04:13.520 New York, Kansas, Arizona, Vermont. These new generation of GOP 0:04:13.840 --> 0:04:21.200 activists talk like they are strom Thurman on crack cocaine 0:04:21.520 --> 0:04:23.440 with a little more racism, with. 0:04:23.400 --> 0:04:24.560 A little bit more four Chan. 0:04:24.680 --> 0:04:28.760 I'd say strom Thurman meets four Chan meets crack cocaine. 0:04:29.240 --> 0:04:31.279 Yeah, I think you know a lot of times like 0:04:31.360 --> 0:04:33.240 you and I'll be talking to people who are a 0:04:33.279 --> 0:04:36.240 little less online aka everyone on this world, and they 0:04:36.360 --> 0:04:40.080 wonder why, like a Senator Mike Lee, a Mormon in Utah, 0:04:40.160 --> 0:04:43.520 is tweeting such psychotic things, And the answer is, these 0:04:43.560 --> 0:04:46.960 are their staffers and their staffers are writing this shit 0:04:47.080 --> 0:04:49.039 and may they may approve it, they may say no, 0:04:49.160 --> 0:04:51.520 don't take it down. But at the end of the day, 0:04:52.080 --> 0:04:57.520 the quackery does trickle upwards, unlike their views on the economy. 0:04:57.600 --> 0:05:01.920 Yeah, this stuff is so incredibly I mean, it's not 0:05:01.960 --> 0:05:04.279 shocking because we know this is what they believe, but 0:05:04.440 --> 0:05:07.160 they do in fact that One good thing is they 0:05:07.200 --> 0:05:10.679 are not completely aligned with Trump, though they are somewhat 0:05:10.680 --> 0:05:12.240 aligned with Hitler. 0:05:12.640 --> 0:05:14.120 I was gonna say, the bad news is they're not 0:05:14.160 --> 0:05:16.359 aligned with Trump because they don't think he's going hard enough. 0:05:16.640 --> 0:05:19.799 Right, But Trump's too busy burning the Epstein file. Says 0:05:19.880 --> 0:05:24.080 Alex Dreyer, the chair of the Kansas Young Republicans. This 0:05:24.279 --> 0:05:29.240 is so bad. This is so, so, so bad, and 0:05:29.320 --> 0:05:32.120 it's bad for a number of reasons. One is because 0:05:32.520 --> 0:05:35.839 these people knew this was a semi public chat and 0:05:35.920 --> 0:05:40.080 still talk like this to these people believe this, right, 0:05:40.200 --> 0:05:44.040 that's pretty fucking bad. And three, you know, Donald Trump 0:05:44.040 --> 0:05:46.640 and two point zero has created a pro mission structure 0:05:46.680 --> 0:05:50.120 for this. So in every which way, this is real 0:05:50.279 --> 0:05:50.680 fucking that. 0:05:51.200 --> 0:05:53.159 So let's talk about my hero. We have a few 0:05:53.200 --> 0:05:55.360 governors who are doing a great job pushing it back 0:05:55.360 --> 0:05:59.160 against the Trump administration. One is my boy, Governor J. B. Pritzker, 0:05:59.240 --> 0:06:01.720 and he's looking to prosecute ICE agents in Chicago. 0:06:01.960 --> 0:06:05.880 Yeah, here's the thing. You can be a craven coward 0:06:06.160 --> 0:06:10.280 and still get prosecuted. I'm looking at all of these 0:06:10.400 --> 0:06:15.120 Republicans who have just bent the knee and still will 0:06:15.200 --> 0:06:17.320 ultimately end up on the wrong side of Trump. Or 0:06:17.360 --> 0:06:20.640 you can be brave, and when you're brave, you know 0:06:21.200 --> 0:06:24.920 you win. You ultimately win. So Pritzker is pushing back 0:06:24.960 --> 0:06:26.880 and the only way to push back against Trump is 0:06:26.920 --> 0:06:29.200 to do stuff like this price secuting ICE agents in 0:06:29.279 --> 0:06:33.400 Chicago talking to state prosecutors. By the way, Pritzker told 0:06:33.720 --> 0:06:36.880 Fox thirty two Chicago, the tables will turn one day. 0:06:36.960 --> 0:06:39.840 These people should recognize that they're not going to get 0:06:39.880 --> 0:06:43.920 prosecuted today though they probably should be. They will eventually. 0:06:44.040 --> 0:06:46.520 And that's the thing, Like we talked, We talked about 0:06:46.560 --> 0:06:48.839 this so much in this podcast, and there's a reason 0:06:48.880 --> 0:06:52.120 for that. Because the America we're living in right now, 0:06:52.320 --> 0:06:54.240 this is not going to be the America of a 0:06:54.320 --> 0:06:56.520 year from now. It's not even the it was not 0:06:56.600 --> 0:07:00.520 the America six months ago. Like this is a very 0:07:00.760 --> 0:07:03.719 very dark moment in American life. But it's also not 0:07:03.920 --> 0:07:06.960 the norm. And eventually we're going to get back to 0:07:07.520 --> 0:07:12.120 what is where we have laws, and it's not gonna 0:07:12.120 --> 0:07:13.480 be good for them. It's going to be good for 0:07:13.520 --> 0:07:15.360 the rest of us because it will mean we'll live 0:07:15.400 --> 0:07:17.840 in a nation of laws again. But for now, it's 0:07:17.840 --> 0:07:20.680 important to behave that we like we still live in 0:07:20.720 --> 0:07:22.840 a nation of laws, even if it feels like some 0:07:22.920 --> 0:07:26.360 Republicans don't have to follow those laws because the Supreme 0:07:26.360 --> 0:07:28.320 Court has told them they don't. I think it's wrong 0:07:28.440 --> 0:07:31.640 to assume Pritzker is doing this because of his ambitions. 0:07:31.880 --> 0:07:34.960 I think it's right to assume that Pritzker is doing 0:07:35.000 --> 0:07:38.560 this because he understands what the right thing is and 0:07:38.640 --> 0:07:39.640 knows that this is it. 0:07:39.920 --> 0:07:43.840 When Pritzker said to videotape people, this is the endgame, 0:07:44.120 --> 0:07:46.000 is that there will be a day where we're able 0:07:46.080 --> 0:07:49.400 to prosecute those And what it also does is it 0:07:49.440 --> 0:07:52.520 makes these ice officials think twice about their abuses. They're 0:07:52.920 --> 0:07:55.600 joining guns at citizens, they're beating. 0:07:55.320 --> 0:07:58.880 Up journalists, shooting a priest, an episcopal priest with a 0:07:59.040 --> 0:08:01.200 pepper ball, yes, yes, at his head. 0:08:01.440 --> 0:08:04.560 Yeah, great stuff. So if this gives them pause about 0:08:04.560 --> 0:08:08.120 their lawlessness. It helps protect his people, and I do 0:08:08.240 --> 0:08:10.760 believe Pritzker is a true believer and that type of stuff. 0:08:11.000 --> 0:08:12.080 Yeah me too, man. 0:08:12.360 --> 0:08:16.400 Okay, well, now we get to the Washington Post, which 0:08:16.840 --> 0:08:20.080 has decided to cover itself in the opposite of Corey 0:08:20.400 --> 0:08:23.360 Mark Thiessen a pursues Beth the Post for Kwai while 0:08:23.400 --> 0:08:25.880 says we're now a conservative opinion page. 0:08:26.040 --> 0:08:31.920 This is the opposite of brave, a very very very 0:08:32.080 --> 0:08:39.040 very very craven Jeff Bezos, worried about shareholder value, does 0:08:39.080 --> 0:08:43.480 not give a thought about American democracy, owns the Washington Post. 0:08:43.640 --> 0:08:49.040 In season one, he used to care about American democracy. 0:08:49.240 --> 0:08:54.319 Season two, not so much. That guy. He has decided 0:08:54.360 --> 0:08:57.040 that he doesn't want an opinion paid to the Washing 0:08:57.080 --> 0:08:59.120 But by the way, he could sell the Washington Post 0:08:59.160 --> 0:09:02.160 anytime you want and we'd all be happy. This was 0:09:02.240 --> 0:09:05.640 what Jeff Bezos said. Now they only write about free markets. 0:09:05.880 --> 0:09:09.280 They love a free market, which is kind of hilarious 0:09:09.320 --> 0:09:11.959 because Donald Trump does not like a free market. He 0:09:12.080 --> 0:09:15.120 is not a free trader. He is a terrifying lunatic. 0:09:15.320 --> 0:09:20.080 So they like free markets and personal liberties, which I 0:09:20.120 --> 0:09:24.240 guess means again personal Lifgines runs you right into a 0:09:24.320 --> 0:09:28.120 nice agent. But okay, these are the things that Jeff 0:09:28.160 --> 0:09:32.120 Bezos has decided. So basically, the Washington Post opinion page 0:09:32.160 --> 0:09:35.560 is now the Wall Street Journal opinion page, but slightly 0:09:35.600 --> 0:09:40.360 worse and you know, wrong side of history. Jeff Bezos welcome. 0:09:40.800 --> 0:09:43.880 Some of the five major broadcast networks say they're not 0:09:43.920 --> 0:09:47.440 going to sign Pete Heiggs's new Pentagon press policy where 0:09:47.480 --> 0:09:50.040 you have to be nice to him and not post leeks. 0:09:50.120 --> 0:09:50.880 What do you see in here? 0:09:51.920 --> 0:09:55.040 Yeah, he's very You gotta be nice to Pete and 0:09:55.080 --> 0:09:58.400 you can't be fat. You gotta be nice, you can't 0:09:58.400 --> 0:10:01.240 be fat. This is a song that you've gone too far. 0:10:01.600 --> 0:10:07.120 And look, had everybody done this when Trump had made 0:10:07.120 --> 0:10:10.640 the ap call it the Gulf of America, had all 0:10:10.720 --> 0:10:13.280 of the media outlets been like, we're out, think of 0:10:13.520 --> 0:10:16.439 how differently this all would have gone. But this is 0:10:16.440 --> 0:10:19.960 a great example of how solidarity works. Everyone signed this, 0:10:20.160 --> 0:10:22.960 with the exception of one news outlet. Can you guess 0:10:22.960 --> 0:10:24.080 what news outlet it is? 0:10:24.160 --> 0:10:28.480 Jesse. It begins with an F and ends with anaks. 0:10:28.679 --> 0:10:31.679 Really nope, yeah, one American. 0:10:31.320 --> 0:10:33.760 News Oh yeah, hell yeah. 0:10:33.400 --> 0:10:38.120 Oh yeah. When Fox is too intellectual, come on down 0:10:38.160 --> 0:10:42.600 to oh A and n President confirmed they did, in 0:10:42.640 --> 0:10:46.040 fact do it. They have signed the document because honestly, 0:10:46.559 --> 0:10:50.439 when you work for Trump, you sign the doc. Solidarity works. 0:10:56.600 --> 0:10:59.520 George Conway is the president of the Society for the 0:11:00.200 --> 0:11:04.760 Law and the host of George Conway explains it all 0:11:04.920 --> 0:11:10.240 too Sarah Longwell, George Conway, Hi, welcome to Fast Politics. 0:11:10.520 --> 0:11:12.640 Thank you for having me once again for the ten 0:11:12.679 --> 0:11:13.440 thousandth time. 0:11:13.760 --> 0:11:19.280 So JP Morgan warns that America is going broke. Who 0:11:19.360 --> 0:11:20.400 could have seen this coming? 0:11:20.480 --> 0:11:21.000 Did you see? 0:11:21.080 --> 0:11:21.240 Oh? 0:11:21.280 --> 0:11:23.040 I don't know who could have seen it coming. Who 0:11:23.040 --> 0:11:26.800 could have seen that electing a man who's bankrupted so 0:11:26.840 --> 0:11:29.920 many companies would bankrupt the United States? Who could have 0:11:29.920 --> 0:11:30.400 foreseen that? 0:11:30.760 --> 0:11:35.840 Do you? Is it weird to watch someone just dismantle 0:11:36.679 --> 0:11:41.000 the country in the name of conservatism when not actually 0:11:41.000 --> 0:11:41.920 being a conservative. 0:11:42.160 --> 0:11:44.559 Well, I think we're all kind of used to it now. 0:11:44.640 --> 0:11:49.520 I mean, it's not conservatism. It's nihilistic destruction for reasons 0:11:49.559 --> 0:11:53.040 that really have nothing to do with policy. And that's 0:11:53.080 --> 0:11:55.280 where we are. I mean, this is this is who 0:11:55.320 --> 0:11:57.400 he is, and this is these are the people he's 0:11:57.440 --> 0:11:58.600 surrounded himself with. 0:11:58.880 --> 0:12:01.640 This is a phenomenon. I know, you've studied and you're 0:12:01.679 --> 0:12:05.640 sort of a master of explaining people like Scott Passant, 0:12:05.840 --> 0:12:08.840 who before you went into the admin people were like, Oh, 0:12:08.920 --> 0:12:13.240 that guy's normal, he'll be normal. Why have people like 0:12:13.320 --> 0:12:14.520 him and Marco Rubio? 0:12:15.600 --> 0:12:17.760 Look, I mean, they're the most they're they're they're the 0:12:17.840 --> 0:12:21.240 most normal in the bunch, but they're completely outnumbered. I mean, 0:12:21.280 --> 0:12:26.200 at least during the first Trump administration, you had more 0:12:26.240 --> 0:12:30.240 normalcy there. Even though those people ended up in a 0:12:30.280 --> 0:12:32.400 lot of ways, a lot of them compromised themselves, but 0:12:32.440 --> 0:12:35.120 they were at least kind of understood what they were 0:12:35.200 --> 0:12:38.960 dealing with, and they were willing to check his worst impulses. 0:12:39.000 --> 0:12:43.200 And they actually, for example, Chief of Staff General John 0:12:43.280 --> 0:12:46.960 Kelly understood he was dealing with a mentally unsound person. 0:12:47.040 --> 0:12:50.520 In fact, brought in a book written by psychiatrists and 0:12:50.600 --> 0:12:57.520 psychologists that talked about Trump's various mental maladies and incapacities. 0:12:58.320 --> 0:13:01.760 So they understood they had to check him and restrict 0:13:01.840 --> 0:13:04.840 him in some way. The fellow from Gary Cohen from 0:13:04.960 --> 0:13:08.000 goldn Sachs used to take things off his desk. They 0:13:08.120 --> 0:13:11.360 used to tell him he couldn't do things that tell 0:13:11.440 --> 0:13:13.360 him it wouldn't be a good idea to do it. 0:13:13.400 --> 0:13:16.239 They told him that things were illegal. The Justice Department, 0:13:16.320 --> 0:13:22.080 people who refused to go in with him on overturning 0:13:22.080 --> 0:13:25.240 the constitution told him they would resign on mass On 0:13:25.400 --> 0:13:30.360 Moss so many examples of people basically telling him no. 0:13:31.160 --> 0:13:35.480 Secretary Esper and General Maddis telling him no, no, we 0:13:35.720 --> 0:13:39.960 can't call out the National Guard for the George Floyd protests. 0:13:39.960 --> 0:13:42.880 Those people are all gone. You do have some people 0:13:42.960 --> 0:13:49.600 who are relatively normal, as you point out Marco Rubio 0:13:50.400 --> 0:13:53.120 and Scott Bessen. But if you go all in in 0:13:53.160 --> 0:13:56.920 this administration, you are compromised. You will compromise yourself. You 0:13:56.960 --> 0:13:59.920 are out lumbered by the people who are mentally unsent. 0:14:00.320 --> 0:14:02.760 I mean, we didn't you know, one of the things 0:14:02.760 --> 0:14:06.080 in the first Trump administration, you did not have the 0:14:06.120 --> 0:14:10.880 people who were deeply unsound, mentally and deeply disturbed who 0:14:10.960 --> 0:14:15.000 were running things. But now you have Steven Miller has 0:14:15.040 --> 0:14:19.520 more power than ever. You have RFK who is completely bombers. 0:14:20.160 --> 0:14:23.160 You have all of these people who are just unwell 0:14:23.360 --> 0:14:28.200 and they don't care about anything about the country, but 0:14:28.240 --> 0:14:31.800 they care about their own status, and they care about 0:14:31.800 --> 0:14:36.000 pleasing the boss, and so anything goes so that's the 0:14:36.000 --> 0:14:36.640 big difference. 0:14:36.680 --> 0:14:40.800 One of the new phenomenons that I think is new 0:14:40.920 --> 0:14:44.720 from Trump one point zero is this where Donald Trump 0:14:44.720 --> 0:14:49.480 tries to out crazy a member of his administration. So 0:14:50.160 --> 0:14:53.960 when he was with RFK Junior, he said, RFK was 0:14:54.000 --> 0:14:56.600 like maybe Tiland and awe and then Trump went like 0:14:56.880 --> 0:14:59.800 whole hog on vaccines. And you saw that with Pete 0:14:59.800 --> 0:15:02.600 Head says too. Pete Hegg says called everyone in to 0:15:02.720 --> 0:15:06.080 have a meeting, and the meeting was like, don't be fat. 0:15:06.920 --> 0:15:09.320 And then Trump was like, and I will speak next, 0:15:09.400 --> 0:15:11.560 and he was like, there are the enemy within, so 0:15:12.040 --> 0:15:14.400 explain that, because that's new. 0:15:14.840 --> 0:15:17.320 They're all unwell. I don't know any other way to 0:15:17.360 --> 0:15:20.680 do to explain it. And you have a leader who 0:15:20.800 --> 0:15:24.920 is a narcissistic sociopath, as I've said so often, doesn't 0:15:24.960 --> 0:15:29.400 care about anyone other than himself, lacks any moral capacity 0:15:29.520 --> 0:15:34.120 for judgment, lacks any remorse, lacks any recognition or understanding 0:15:34.160 --> 0:15:36.960 of truth. Truth is whatever comes to his mind that 0:15:37.000 --> 0:15:40.280 he feels he wants to impart, and it's usually something 0:15:40.280 --> 0:15:46.240 that involves his own glorification. And he now has his way, 0:15:46.320 --> 0:15:49.960 he has control. There are people no one is willing 0:15:50.000 --> 0:15:52.560 to tell him no, and if they do, they are gone, 0:15:52.680 --> 0:15:56.840 including US attorneys who say, well, we can't bring these charges. 0:15:57.440 --> 0:16:02.920 So basically we have a sociopath an unstable mentally unstable 0:16:03.040 --> 0:16:06.760 government because the people at its head, and especially the 0:16:06.800 --> 0:16:09.680 one who had been checked in the first term to 0:16:09.760 --> 0:16:12.840 some extent, even though it didn't seem that way at 0:16:12.840 --> 0:16:14.320 the time, is now unchecked. 0:16:14.440 --> 0:16:17.880 And then you have these women, which is a little 0:16:17.920 --> 0:16:20.720 bit new, like Lindsay Hall again, these women who are 0:16:20.760 --> 0:16:23.280 sort of his hench women who come in I guess 0:16:24.200 --> 0:16:24.800 were They were. 0:16:24.760 --> 0:16:28.440 Not necessarily new in this sense. There have always been 0:16:28.880 --> 0:16:32.080 women around him. I think I don't know where I 0:16:32.120 --> 0:16:35.680 got this information. Who will do his bidding. I don't 0:16:35.720 --> 0:16:38.960 think there's anything new about it. I honestly don't, And 0:16:39.000 --> 0:16:42.000 I think that, you know, I mean, we saw Sarasuck, 0:16:42.320 --> 0:16:46.000 Huckabee Sanders, we saw my ex wife. You know. They 0:16:46.120 --> 0:16:51.080 threw their lot in with Trump, and in a weird way, 0:16:50.880 --> 0:16:54.880 they empathized with Trump. Because what happens is that Trump 0:16:55.520 --> 0:16:59.520 brings you into his fold, you end up defending him, 0:17:00.120 --> 0:17:03.040 treat him like kind of a wayward child, but it's 0:17:03.200 --> 0:17:07.440 their child, So attacks on him they view as attacks 0:17:07.480 --> 0:17:10.840 on themselves and then they get attacks, attacks that are 0:17:10.880 --> 0:17:14.200 made on them, bonds them to Trump, and it's a 0:17:14.280 --> 0:17:17.439 it's a very it's a very bizarre phenomenon, and I 0:17:17.440 --> 0:17:19.760 don't but again again, I don't think that's unique. I mean, 0:17:19.800 --> 0:17:21.600 I think I think it happens with the men too. 0:17:21.600 --> 0:17:23.919 I think there's a Stockholm syndrome aspect to me. But 0:17:23.960 --> 0:17:26.080 I also think again, to go back to the original 0:17:26.320 --> 0:17:31.760 point I'm making, is that the people who surround him 0:17:31.840 --> 0:17:34.919 now are the worst of the worst, and there aren't 0:17:35.040 --> 0:17:38.400 enough people. Even the bad people in the prior administration. 0:17:38.720 --> 0:17:44.399 Those people understood when things had gone too far my life. 0:17:44.440 --> 0:17:47.680 They understood, you know, they understood when things went too far, 0:17:47.720 --> 0:17:50.639 and they're willing to, you know, at least try to 0:17:50.800 --> 0:17:54.879 organize themselves and place themselves in a way that could 0:17:55.080 --> 0:17:59.720 slow things down, even if they weren't you know, thoroughly principled, 0:17:59.760 --> 0:18:03.119 and they didn't you know, resign out of protest or 0:18:03.200 --> 0:18:04.160 do anything like that. 0:18:04.320 --> 0:18:06.439 And there is none of that now. In fact, it 0:18:06.560 --> 0:18:09.840 is this sort of warp speed kind of thing, which 0:18:09.960 --> 0:18:12.720 I wonder, like, you know, there was this piece in 0:18:12.760 --> 0:18:15.800 the Wall Street Journal this week about how Trump was 0:18:16.000 --> 0:18:19.280 so embolden that the middle East thing had made him 0:18:19.520 --> 0:18:23.280 just as involved in as we've ever seen him. That 0:18:23.560 --> 0:18:26.280 tends to lead to him overplaying. 0:18:25.720 --> 0:18:30.320 His hand, correct, I mean, And that's how ultimately narcissistic 0:18:30.400 --> 0:18:34.320 sociopaths who attained some position of power, they often they 0:18:34.440 --> 0:18:38.280 run out their strength because they don't know limits and 0:18:38.320 --> 0:18:42.600 they don't care about limits. And they also, you know, 0:18:42.640 --> 0:18:46.280 they're obsessed with revenge, and they're obsessed with their own 0:18:46.320 --> 0:18:49.400 glorification and their power, and then they begin to think 0:18:49.440 --> 0:18:52.560 that they are invincible. And you know, I mean it 0:18:52.720 --> 0:18:55.040 ends in the bunker, so to speak. I mean, if 0:18:55.040 --> 0:18:58.040 you ever watched the movie Downfall, which I've always urged 0:18:58.080 --> 0:19:01.639 people to watch the German Langue, which film about the 0:19:01.720 --> 0:19:05.320 last ten days of the in the Fear Bunker. You know, 0:19:05.960 --> 0:19:10.360 it was a completely unreal place, and you have this 0:19:10.440 --> 0:19:14.600 man who was leading everybody into destruction and it was 0:19:14.640 --> 0:19:17.840 a result of his They called it at the time megalomania. 0:19:18.359 --> 0:19:20.320 And that's what we're seeing today with Trump. 0:19:20.359 --> 0:19:20.479 Now. 0:19:20.480 --> 0:19:23.600 The question is when people like that overstep and they 0:19:23.600 --> 0:19:27.840 finally go too far and they overreach the way Hitler 0:19:27.880 --> 0:19:31.920 did with Operation Barbarossa, And the question is how big 0:19:32.000 --> 0:19:34.439 is the blast radius? When they blow themselves up. And 0:19:34.480 --> 0:19:37.399 the sooner they blow themselves up actually the better, because 0:19:37.440 --> 0:19:41.040 the longer it goes, the more destruction they create. And 0:19:41.080 --> 0:19:43.119 that's always been up. Mean, you've heard me use the 0:19:43.200 --> 0:19:46.320 term blast radius with Trump year for years, I think. 0:19:46.720 --> 0:19:51.040 And the question is when he ultimately will blow himself up, 0:19:51.080 --> 0:19:53.640 The question is what does he take with him. 0:19:53.920 --> 0:19:56.320 You know, he ran as a populist. We're seeing a 0:19:56.359 --> 0:20:01.359 lot of people talking about how they're just disappointed with 0:20:01.560 --> 0:20:04.600 a lot of what he's done. I don't know if 0:20:04.640 --> 0:20:07.000 it's the same as us time or more or less. 0:20:07.000 --> 0:20:10.120 But talk us through what you think. Do you think 0:20:10.160 --> 0:20:12.879 he comprehends that. Do you think he doesn't care his 0:20:12.960 --> 0:20:14.320 polling is real bad? 0:20:14.520 --> 0:20:16.440 First of all, I don't think they give him those 0:20:16.480 --> 0:20:21.960 poll numbers anymore. Who wants who is going to volunteer 0:20:22.000 --> 0:20:24.399 to bring that information? And so you don't think he 0:20:24.480 --> 0:20:27.520 sees them? Oh he may, but he doesn't believe them. 0:20:27.640 --> 0:20:30.639 He doesn't know, He doesn't, right. He believes what he 0:20:30.800 --> 0:20:36.320 wants to believe, all right, And he constructs his own reality. 0:20:36.400 --> 0:20:40.760 And if you try to defy that reality, then you 0:20:40.840 --> 0:20:44.000 fall out of favor, or he thinks you're conspiring against him. 0:20:44.040 --> 0:20:46.440 Because he is, you know, as part of being a 0:20:46.480 --> 0:20:52.959 malignant narcissist. He's not narcissistic, sociopathic or psychopathic. He's also paranoid. 0:20:53.160 --> 0:20:58.760 So all of these things hey play a role in. 0:20:59.200 --> 0:21:03.879 He doesn't recognize his limits and now he's sort of 0:21:04.040 --> 0:21:09.280 obsessed with his own mortality. So he's going to go 0:21:09.359 --> 0:21:11.520 for broken a lot of ways. So it could get 0:21:11.960 --> 0:21:12.719 a lot worse. 0:21:13.119 --> 0:21:16.560 And that's like the legacy stuff, the Noble Peace prize stuff. 0:21:16.600 --> 0:21:18.560 Is that what you're thinking about it? 0:21:18.800 --> 0:21:22.199 Absolutely? I think that that's you know, it's bizarre, but 0:21:22.320 --> 0:21:24.960 that's how he thinks. But it's only you know, he 0:21:25.000 --> 0:21:27.560 doesn't care about peace. He only cares about the prize. 0:21:27.840 --> 0:21:31.119 So right, But now do you think not winning that 0:21:31.280 --> 0:21:34.000 prize or you think he just thinks he'll get it 0:21:34.040 --> 0:21:34.760 next time, or. 0:21:35.440 --> 0:21:38.960 Well, he thinks he's wrongfully deprived the prize, and I 0:21:39.000 --> 0:21:42.240 think he will seek vengeance upon people he thinks stood 0:21:42.280 --> 0:21:44.159 in the way of him getting the prize. I mean, 0:21:44.440 --> 0:21:47.440 who knows. I mean, he's just a very unwell man. 0:21:47.640 --> 0:21:49.840 One of the things I've been really struck by with 0:21:50.000 --> 0:21:53.000 you is you have been brave. You know, in Trump 0:21:53.080 --> 0:21:55.400 one point out it was easy to be brave. Everybody 0:21:55.480 --> 0:22:00.879 was brave now now, So really tell me why I think. 0:22:02.320 --> 0:22:05.800 He's here to be brave now, because we can now 0:22:05.840 --> 0:22:08.439 spunger more more than ever before. 0:22:08.680 --> 0:22:14.320 We've seen a lot of people really just be craven opportunists. Yes, 0:22:14.640 --> 0:22:15.560 why are you brave? 0:22:15.960 --> 0:22:19.119 I don't think I'm brave. I don't view myself as brave. 0:22:19.680 --> 0:22:25.200 I view myself as a realistic someone who basically tries 0:22:25.280 --> 0:22:29.520 to figure things out and figure out what the right 0:22:29.560 --> 0:22:32.399 answer is from what I have in front of me. 0:22:32.720 --> 0:22:36.960 And I don't know how you can rationally escape the 0:22:36.960 --> 0:22:40.520 conclusion that the country is in deep trouble because it 0:22:40.600 --> 0:22:44.320 is operated by people who fundamentally don't believe in the 0:22:44.400 --> 0:22:48.040 rule of law, don't believe in the public good, who 0:22:48.080 --> 0:22:56.240 seek personal and financial gratification at the expense of others others' rights, 0:22:56.320 --> 0:23:00.240