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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molli John Fast and this is Fast Politics,

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Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of

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Speaker 1: today's best minds, and Donald Trump says, I don't think

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Speaker 1: there's anything that's going to get me into heaven. We

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Speaker 1: have such a great show for you today. The Society

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Speaker 1: for the Rule of Law's own George Conway stops by

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Speaker 1: to talk about Trump's increasingly erratic and disturbing behavior. Then

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Speaker 1: we'll talk to indivisibles Leah Greenberg and Ezra Levin about

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Speaker 1: meeting this moment with this week's peaceful No King's Rally.

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Speaker 1: But first, the story is the media is missing so.

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Speaker 2: Mally JP Morgan, one of the biggest financial institutes in

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Speaker 2: our country. They said that America is going broke slowly

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Speaker 2: as the national depth balloons in tariff revenue looks well questionable.

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Speaker 1: You are really into this story about the dead. I

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Speaker 1: love you.

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Speaker 2: It's always telling when the people who want to keep

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Speaker 2: our economy optimistic have to go.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the debt is a huge problem and Republicans

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Speaker 1: used to care about it, but they don't anymore. And

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Speaker 1: so since they don't care about it, I can't care

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Speaker 1: about it. No, this is stupid we grew the debt

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Speaker 1: by the way we grew the debt with the BBB

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Speaker 1: three point four trillion dollars. Why so that Trump could

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Speaker 1: give Ice billions and billions of dollars. Yes, his paramidlitary

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Speaker 1: force that wears facial coverings. That group needs more money

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Speaker 1: so that they can detain people who look a certain way.

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Speaker 1: We call it a Kavanaugh stopped sensioned by Justice Brett Kavanaugh,

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Speaker 1: who said, in fact that he's fine with racial profiling.

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Speaker 1: So billions of dollars to Trump's paramilitary force so that

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Speaker 1: they can stop people who look hispanic. I don't think

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Speaker 1: it's a great use of our tax dollars personally, but

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Speaker 1: that's just me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't say I find this good, but I

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Speaker 2: think it's always a grim economic forecast, while or Trump's

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Speaker 2: whole financial cabinet trying to pretend that we're not going

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Speaker 2: down to a bad place in our economy.

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Speaker 1: All billionaires, a cabinet filled with billionaires, all of whom

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Speaker 1: want to lessen their tax burden so that they can

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Speaker 1: just get whatever they want. And these are people who

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Speaker 2: All right, Well, now, we're going to get to the

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Speaker 2: really fun stuff. So Politico, known as.

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Speaker 1: A inside the Beltway both siding their way to autocracy,

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Speaker 1: couldn't have put it better. I love them putting the

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Speaker 1: fun and fascism one one two siding article.

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Speaker 2: At the time, Well they've put up a pretty ugly

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Speaker 2: one on one side. I love Hitler. Leaked messages exposed

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Speaker 2: young Republicans racist Chad. I'm going to be honest with you.

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Speaker 2: They led with the I love Hitler. There's like ten

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Speaker 2: flavors of awful, awful messages in these things, because they

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Speaker 2: got thousands of private messages that showed many of the

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Speaker 2: young GOP leaders, you know, all young Republican groups, and

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Speaker 2: they are talking about murdering their enemies and the Democratic Party,

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Speaker 2: that the gas chambers aren't good enough. Things like that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so they refer to black people as monkeys and

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Speaker 1: quote of the watermelon people mused about putting their political

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Speaker 1: opponents in gas chambers. They talked about raping their enemies

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Speaker 1: who they believe supported slavery Kansas young Republican vice chair

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Speaker 1: to know about this moment in history. These people are

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Speaker 1: not pretending to be white supremacists. It's not a troll.

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Speaker 1: It's who they are.

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Speaker 2: It's not a troll, it's a brand.

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Speaker 1: By the way, everyone that votes know is going to

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Speaker 1: the gas chamber. They're going to say they were kidding. Also,

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Speaker 1: can I just tell you, like, these are the people

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Speaker 1: These are telegram chats leaders of the Republican Party in

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Speaker 1: activists talk like they are strom Thurman on crack cocaine

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Speaker 2: A little bit more four Chan.

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Speaker 1: I'd say strom Thurman meets four Chan meets crack cocaine.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you know a lot of times like

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this stuff is so incredibly I mean, it's not

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Speaker 2: I was gonna say, the bad news is they're not

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Speaker 1: Right, But Trump's too busy burning the Epstein file. Says

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Speaker 1: Alex Dreyer, the chair of the Kansas Young Republicans. This

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Speaker 1: is so bad. This is so, so, so bad, and

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Speaker 1: it's bad for a number of reasons. One is because

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Speaker 1: that's pretty fucking bad. And three, you know, Donald Trump

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Speaker 2: So let's talk about my hero. We have a few

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Speaker 2: governors who are doing a great job pushing it back

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Speaker 2: against the Trump administration. One is my boy, Governor J. B. Pritzker,

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Speaker 2: and he's looking to prosecute ICE agents in Chicago.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, here's the thing. You can be a craven coward

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Speaker 1: to do stuff like this price secuting ICE agents in

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Speaker 1: These people should recognize that they're not going to get

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Speaker 1: to assume Pritzker is doing this because of his ambitions.

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Speaker 1: I think it's right to assume that Pritzker is doing

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Speaker 2: When Pritzker said to videotape people, this is the endgame,

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Speaker 1: Up journalists, shooting a priest, an episcopal priest with a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, great stuff. So if this gives them pause about

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Speaker 1: Yeah me too, man.

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Speaker 2: Okay, well, now we get to the Washington Post, which

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Speaker 1: This is the opposite of brave, a very very very

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Speaker 1: very very craven Jeff Bezos, worried about shareholder value, does

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Speaker 1: Season two, not so much. That guy. He has decided

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Speaker 1: But by the way, he could sell the Washington Post

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Speaker 1: guess means again personal Lifgines runs you right into a

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Speaker 2: Some of the five major broadcast networks say they're not

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Speaker 2: going to sign Pete Heiggs's new Pentagon press policy where

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Speaker 2: What do you see in here?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's very You gotta be nice to Pete and

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Speaker 1: And look, had everybody done this when Trump had made

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Speaker 1: how differently this all would have gone. But this is

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Speaker 1: a great example of how solidarity works. Everyone signed this,

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Speaker 2: Jesse. It begins with an F and ends with anaks.

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Speaker 1: Really nope, yeah, one American.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah. When Fox is too intellectual, come on down

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Speaker 1: George Conway is the president of the Society for the

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Speaker 1: Law and the host of George Conway explains it all

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Speaker 1: too Sarah Longwell, George Conway, Hi, welcome to Fast Politics.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for having me once again for the ten

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Speaker 1: So JP Morgan warns that America is going broke. Who

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Speaker 1: could have seen this coming?

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Speaker 3: Did you see?

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Speaker 3: I don't know who could have seen it coming. Who

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Speaker 3: could have seen that electing a man who's bankrupted so

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Speaker 3: many companies would bankrupt the United States? Who could have

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Speaker 3: foreseen that?

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Speaker 1: Do you? Is it weird to watch someone just dismantle

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Speaker 1: the country in the name of conservatism when not actually

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Speaker 3: Well, I think we're all kind of used to it now.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's not conservatism. It's nihilistic destruction for reasons

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Speaker 1: This is a phenomenon. I know, you've studied and you're

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Speaker 1: And there is none of that now. In fact, it

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Speaker 3: First of all, I don't think they give him those

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Speaker 1: And that's like the legacy stuff, the Noble Peace prize stuff.

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Speaker 3: would say, it's like the tragedy of the commons or

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Speaker 3: the prisoner's dilemma. It's like if everybody behaves that way,

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Speaker 3: then we all lose, you know, it's a it's.

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Speaker 1: So why do you behave that? Why?

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Speaker 3: I mean I because I because I I can't. I

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Speaker 3: wouldn't be able to live with myself if I didn't.

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Speaker 3: And I also have an advantage over a lot of people, right,

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Speaker 3: I mean I do. I have to concede I have

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Speaker 3: an advantage over other people. I work thirty years in

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Speaker 3: a law fer. I saved up a lot of money.

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Speaker 3: I don't need to work anymore. And one of the

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Speaker 3: things that is great about where I am today is

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Speaker 3: I could say whatever the fuck I want, and I

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Speaker 3: enjoy doing that. I get a pleasure doing that. I

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Speaker 3: don't like I wish I didn't have to do that.

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Speaker 3: I'd rather be, you know, I mean, it's side. I

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Speaker 3: could rather be spring skiing in the in the Andes.

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Speaker 3: I guess I don't know if they still have spring skiing,

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Speaker 3: but that's what I'd rather be doing.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to compliment you, because I know how

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Speaker 1: I know how much you hate that.

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Speaker 3: I don't think. I don't think. I mean, someone makes

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Speaker 3: I should get credit for doing what should be done,

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Speaker 3: all right, And that's not meant to criticize people. It's

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Speaker 3: not meant to criticize people who are just like you know,

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Speaker 3: the FBI agent who's trying to serve the public and

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Speaker 3: get his pension, and and and so on. I can't

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Speaker 3: blame people for making the best of their situations as

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Speaker 3: they are, and they have families to feel. I don't,

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Speaker 3: you know, I don't fault that, But I do think

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Speaker 3: that a lot of people who are in a position

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Speaker 3: to do something, just take a stand, are putting their

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Speaker 3: desire to get a third home somewhere above above the

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Speaker 3: interests of the public. And I think that's very very

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Speaker 3: short again, just against the interest the polity, against the

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Speaker 3: interests of the public, against their own freedom and their

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Speaker 3: own rights, and surrendering that to essentially, you know, authoritarian lunatics,

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Speaker 3: and they're doing that and they don't have to do that.

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Speaker 3: But the more they do that, the more it is

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Speaker 3: that everybody has to surrender. So that's that's you know,

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Speaker 3: that's why it's important for people to stand.

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Speaker 1: Up lightning ground. Who is the most dangerous member of

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Speaker 1: Trump's cabinet maybe RFK.

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Speaker 3: I think you can make an argument with that. Hegseeth

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Speaker 3: is a is a cipher Rubio, right, he doesn't arise

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Speaker 3: to the level of cipher. Also, I mean mostly the

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Speaker 3: cabinet is cipher, consists of ciphers. Gnome is basically a character.

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Speaker 3: She's just a cost player. Who else? Who else? We

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Speaker 3: I think the people who are the most dangerous I

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Speaker 3: don't think they're necessarily in the cabin I think Stephen

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Speaker 3: Miller is dangerous, right, he is in some way? Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I mean I think those people, the people who have

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Speaker 3: who actually care about what they're doing, as opposed to

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Speaker 3: just going along for the ride, which Rubio is doing

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Speaker 3: the beston is doing. Christine nom is doing it because

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Speaker 3: she likes the attention and the videos and the performance art.

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Speaker 3: I think Seth iSIG Seth is doing it for the

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Speaker 3: same thing. I mean, maybe maybe it's the Officers Club

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Speaker 3: bars throughout the world. I don't know, so I think,

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Speaker 3: you know, but the but the people who really have

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Speaker 3: like I mean, in the case of Russ Vaught, I mean,

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Speaker 3: did you hear that quote about somebody said of him,

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Speaker 3: some person in the Trump administration, that he's wanted to

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Speaker 3: dismantle the government since puberty? I mean, what is that? Right?

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Speaker 3: And we know and we know even Miller is a

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Speaker 3: fundamentally a sick, a sick man. I mean, he would

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Speaker 3: he would have fit right in other than you know,

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Speaker 3: this Jewish heritage. You would have fit right in, you know,

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Speaker 3: to the Nazi regime.

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Speaker 1: Not good, not good. George Conway, will you come back?

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Speaker 3: Always come back.

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Speaker 1: Leah Greenberg and Ezra Levin are the founders of Indivisible.

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Speaker 1: Welcome too fast politics, you guys.

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Speaker 5: It's great to be here. We're excited.

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Speaker 1: So we have the team behind the No Kings March

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Speaker 1: and numerous other things. So to explain what you do

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Speaker 1: at indivisible and a little bit about how you got

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Speaker 1: into this, absolutely well.

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Speaker 4: At Indivisible, we work with a grassroots movement that is

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Speaker 4: led by regular people all over the country who have

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Speaker 4: decided that they need to get involved and they need

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Speaker 4: to do something. We got started in twenty sixteen, shortly

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Speaker 4: after Donald Trump was elected the first time. Ezra and

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Speaker 4: I we are married, We are former congressional staffers. We

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Speaker 4: were absolutely furious with everything that was happening, and we

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Speaker 4: decided to take all the knowledge that we had as

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Speaker 4: former congressional staffers, turn it inside out and make it

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Speaker 4: available to folks around the country so they could organize

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Speaker 4: effectively to get together locally and pressure their elected officials

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Speaker 4: to push back against Trump and trump Ism. That was

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Speaker 4: the basic idea. We wrote a Google doc guide to

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Speaker 4: how to do that. It went viral. Suddenly we were

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Speaker 4: working with thousands of local hubs for communicaty activism all

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Speaker 4: over the country who were calling themselves Indivisible Groups, which

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Speaker 4: was the.

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Speaker 1: Title of the guide.

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Speaker 4: And we have been on a journey with those folks

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Speaker 4: all over the country ever since.

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Speaker 1: I remember seeing that Google doc as we do have

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Speaker 1: anything else you want to add here in this.

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Speaker 5: Well, that Google doc was spread around like wildfire, and

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Speaker 5: we started getting all this incoming from all around the

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Speaker 5: country and it al said the exact same thing, which

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Speaker 5: is this guide is full of typos and so one thing, enerneybody,

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Speaker 5: you've got a lesson from this. It's if you put

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Speaker 5: something on the internet and then people read it, they

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Speaker 5: will let you know the problems that they have with it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is a phenomenon that I know all too well. Yes,

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Speaker 1: continue well.

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Speaker 5: But then the other thing they did, they started forming

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Speaker 5: these local groups and it's just been a real honor

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Speaker 5: to be part of of this grassroots movement of normal

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Speaker 5: everyday people, nurses and IT technicians and lawyers and teachers

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Speaker 5: who are out there organizing in their home turf. I mean,

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Speaker 5: this is what we need. Democracy is a participatory sport.

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Speaker 6: Lea.

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Speaker 5: You often say politics is too important to be left

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Speaker 5: to the politicians. I think that's right. We're facing a

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Speaker 5: democracy crisis right now, and we can't engage as consumers alone.

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Speaker 5: We've got to engage as active participants. That's how we

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Speaker 5: actually change things.

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Speaker 1: I spent a lot of time thinking about like why

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Speaker 1: Trump two point zero is significantly scarier than Trump one

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Speaker 1: point Oh, you guys interface with a lot of people

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Speaker 1: in the base who are activists or mostly normal people

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Speaker 1: who want to make their voices heard. Is it more

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Speaker 1: people than last time? And are they more agitated.

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Speaker 4: It is more people than last time. We are seeing

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Speaker 4: kind of a rate of ongoing formation of new local,

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Speaker 4: indivisible groups that wildly outpaces what we saw in twenty seventeen.

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Speaker 4: The kinds of mass mobilizations that we are seeing are

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Speaker 4: take place at a scale that dwarfs a lot of

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Speaker 4: what we saw in twenty seventeen twenty eighteen. I'll just

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Speaker 4: give you one quick example we do well. The single

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Speaker 4: largest mass mobile is the same day mass mobilization that

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Speaker 4: was called more nationally in the first Trump term, where

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Speaker 4: the families belong together marches to protect operation. In twenty eighteen,

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Speaker 4: those were incredible. There were about seven hundred and fifty

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Speaker 4: around the country. This year, we saw with hands off,

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Speaker 4: about thirteen hundred events and rallies around the country with

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Speaker 4: no kings in June twenty one hundred. We are heading

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Speaker 4: into twenty five hundred all over the country, reach into

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Speaker 4: really really rural, really red areas that might not have

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Speaker 4: previously had much in the way of visible progressive pro

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Speaker 4: democracy organizing.

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Speaker 1: So I would say that what.

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Speaker 4: We're seeing is a really extraordinary and massive ground swell.

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Speaker 4: And what has been so different about this time compared

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Speaker 4: to twenty seventeen is not necessarily how regular people have responded.

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Speaker 1: It has been the.

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Speaker 4: Total collapse of elite institutions, elected officials, leaders who are

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Speaker 4: ostensibly supposed to hold up some corner of the fight

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Speaker 4: for democracy and have simply declined to do so.

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Speaker 1: As we do. You have thoughts about that. I think

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Speaker 1: that's totally right, But I'm curious if you want to

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Speaker 1: add anything.

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Speaker 5: Well, Lee is the real thought leader of this duo

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Speaker 5: parrot which he says, but in a louder, more confident,

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Speaker 5: white male voice.

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Speaker 1: We'd love to see it.

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Speaker 5: So I agree with all that, But just to give

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Speaker 5: a sense, like I grew up in rural Texas, Hayes County, Texas,

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Speaker 5: there are three No Kings Day events in rural Hayes County, Texas. Wow,

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Speaker 5: we're in Burns, Oregon. That's population twenty seven hundred. We're

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Speaker 5: in Bryceon City, North Carolina, population fifteen hundred. Like they're

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Speaker 5: going to be big events in Washington, d C. And

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Speaker 5: New York City and Chicago, and that's going to be awesome,

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Speaker 5: But twenty five hundred events. Just to underline what Leah

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Speaker 5: said in my white male voice, that's incredible, Like that

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Speaker 5: is incredible. I mean, this is a historic level of

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Speaker 5: peaceful protests that we have not seen in modern American history.

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Speaker 5: The need for that is so great, exactly for the

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Speaker 5: reason Lea's said, This isn't just congres failing as yet again,

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Speaker 5: This isn't just Donald Trump being an idiot and an

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Speaker 5: asshole like he always is. This isn't authoritary and breakthrough moment.

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Speaker 5: And that means more than just your elected officials. It

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Speaker 5: means media institutions and news organizations and law firms and

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Speaker 5: universities who are being bullied and need to understand there's

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Speaker 5: countervailing force out there, that this moment that we're in

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Speaker 5: is temporary and that it will be replaced by an

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Speaker 5: era of reform and accountability. And you'd better get your

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Speaker 5: ass on the right side of history otherwise your reputation

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Speaker 5: is going to be permanently damaged.

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Speaker 1: God I think about that all the time because my

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Speaker 1: grandfather was jailed by the House of an American Activities

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Speaker 1: during the McArthur era. And like, if anything, we are

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Speaker 1: in a new you know, a sort of a moment

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Speaker 1: of backlash to backlash to backlash. So what is so

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Speaker 1: clearly immoral in this moment is going to be very

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Speaker 1: clearly immoral to everyone in about five minutes. So it's

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Speaker 1: shocking to be that we're even seeing universities think about

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Speaker 1: making deals with this guy.

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Speaker 5: Look, ICE is already terrorizing communities around the country, and

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Speaker 5: the money flowing into it has just started to flow.

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Speaker 5: One hundred and seventy one billion dollars flooding into a

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Speaker 5: secret police force. You think that's going to look better

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Speaker 5: as the months stick by. You think that's going to

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Speaker 5: look better when all of the Proud Boys are on

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Speaker 5: the federal payroll. No, you have a choice. Get on

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Speaker 5: the right side of history now. Otherwise. Look, new leaders

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Speaker 5: are going to come to the forefront and you're going

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Speaker 5: to be in mind.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's really true. If you're listening to

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Speaker 1: this and you're wondering what you can do, talk us

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Speaker 1: through what that looks like, what the options are there.

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Speaker 4: Well, first and foremost, we're going to tell you to

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Speaker 4: come out to protest with us on Saturday. You are

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Speaker 4: probably pretty close to your nearest No King's event. In fact,

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Speaker 4: pretty much no matter where you are, wherever you are

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Speaker 4: in the country, you are pretty close to a No

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Speaker 4: King's event. So find your event, get your American flags,

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Speaker 4: get ready, go on out and be in community with

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Speaker 4: that big group of people who are collectively coming out

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Speaker 4: and fighting for to my sie. But you know, we

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Speaker 4: also want that to be the beginning, not the end, right, Like,

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Speaker 4: we want people to be finding their local home for

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Speaker 4: organized activism, for getting involved, for pushing back within your community,

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Speaker 4: you know, organizing, whether that's to support immigrants who are

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Speaker 4: under attack, whether that's mutual aid for people who as

653
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Speaker 4: livelihoods are being harmed by the Trump cuts, whether that

654
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Speaker 4: is getting getting involved in elections and helping to push

655
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Speaker 4: back in an electro way.

656
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Speaker 1: It's going to take all of us.

657
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Speaker 4: Collectively, you know, as kind of a massive symphony of

658
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:35,359
Speaker 4: defiance pushing back against this administration. And the best way

659
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 4: to get that started is to get involved with a

660
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Speaker 4: local organizing home.

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Speaker 1: So one of the things that we're seeing a lot

662
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Speaker 1: of is that Republicans are really freaked out by these protests,

663
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Speaker 1: and their message is that the Zantifa that this is

664
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Speaker 1: not okay, that this is so talk us through some

665
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Speaker 1: of these talking points and why you think they're so

666
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Speaker 1: agitated about those.

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Speaker 5: There's such utter bullshit you almost have to take it

668
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Speaker 5: as a compliment. Molly, right, like, they ignore you, then

669
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:07,759
Speaker 5: they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.

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Speaker 5: We're one step from winning, Molly. They're fighting now and

671
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 5: they don't know how to do it. They are terrified

672
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Speaker 5: of peaceful protest. And that's true of authoritarian regimes all

673
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Speaker 5: over the world.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 5: The Trump attacks on our states, on our communities, on

676
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Speaker 5: our government, that doesn't come from a place of strength.

677
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:25,920
Speaker 5: This guy's unpopular. He's a lang dunk president. He's on

678
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 5: the way out. He's worried that his grip on power

679
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 5: has a time limitation on it, and the time is ticking,

680
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:35,920
Speaker 5: and so he's lashing out. Authoritarians want you to feel lone.

681
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Speaker 5: And so this promise that the largest peaceful protest in

682
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Speaker 5: modern American history is coming together this week and ease terrifying,

683
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Speaker 5: and so they're trying to attack it. They can't even

684
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Speaker 5: say no Kings if you watch their talking points, if

685
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:49,840
Speaker 5: you listen to them, they can't even say the words

686
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Speaker 5: no Kings because they know how unobjectionable that would be,

687
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 5: so they make up some other words about it. So

688
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 5: I mainly thank them for the free publicity, and then

689
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 5: on a serious note, they're trying to up some fear

690
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 5: they're trying to disincentivize people from exercising their First Amendment rights.

691
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Speaker 5: And so what we do in response to that is

692
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Speaker 5: we train people on de escalation, and we train people

693
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Speaker 5: on safety. We make sure every single one of these

694
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Speaker 5: events has a safety lead and a safety plan, and

695
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:18,440
Speaker 5: every single interview you see us do you will see

696
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 5: us emphasizing the non violence, peaceful nature of this. This

697
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 5: is us protecting our constitutional rights. And that's it, and

698
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 5: that's enough. That's enough to be impactful, and it's enough

699
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Speaker 5: to make it important, and it's enough to scare them.

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Speaker 5: But Jesus out of the Republicans in Congress and the

701
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Speaker 5: members of this regime who would like to see those

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Speaker 5: rights go.

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Speaker 4: Away, I agree with all that, and I would also

704
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Speaker 4: just add I think we're also seeing that they are

705
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 4: they understand that they have gotten themselves into a pretty

706
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 4: uncomfortable position on the shutdown that they are you know,

707
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:47,760
Speaker 4: the American people are blaming them for keeping the government

708
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 4: shut down rather than giving folks healthcare, and they are

709
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 4: kind of just desperately casting around for any message that

710
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Speaker 4: will take the heat off of them. So I think

711
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Speaker 4: we've got to see this as both you know, sinister

712
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Speaker 4: in that it is trying to create the permission structure

713
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Speaker 4: for the Stephen Miller field crackdown, but also a sign

714
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Speaker 4: of the desperation of a party that recognizes that it

715
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 4: has gotten itself into a pretty uncomfortable position and that

716
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Speaker 4: people are blaming it for the pain that its.

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Speaker 1: Cuts are causing. Explain what is happening in Portland and

718
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Speaker 1: why the costumes? Can you explain that to us, why

719
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Speaker 1: people are dressing up in costumes and a little bit

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Speaker 1: about that the way that works exactly absolutely Portland frog.

721
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Speaker 1: We've all seen Portland frog. Right, So here's what we

722
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Speaker 1: understand about Donald Trump and Stephen Miller.

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Speaker 4: They are trying to create the visuals. They are trying

724
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Speaker 4: to create the stories that will justify further violent crackdowns

725
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:49,319
Speaker 4: on scent and on blue cities and states. And that

726
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 4: is part of their overall playbook, that they are trying

727
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Speaker 4: to generate the excuses necessary to escalate further. And so,

728
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Speaker 4: you know, a classic part of how you respond to authoritarians,

729
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Speaker 4: how you respond to attempted repression, is with humor that

730
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Speaker 4: exposes the kind of fundamental contradictions of what they are doing.

731
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Speaker 4: And that is what we've seen folks doing in Portland. Right, first,

732
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Speaker 4: the first person shows up with the frog costumes. Suddenly

733
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Speaker 4: there are inflatable costumes all over the place. It's pretty

734
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Speaker 4: hard if you are Stephen Miller to say we got

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Speaker 4: to double our National Guard presence in Portland because there

736
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Speaker 4: are a bunch of inflatable frogs walking around outside, right,

737
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Speaker 4: So it kind of lets the air out of the

738
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Speaker 4: would be out of the the cycle of misinformation and

739
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Speaker 4: you know, posing as the excuse for the next round

740
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Speaker 4: of excalations. And so I think it's part of a

741
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Speaker 4: broader tradition of leaning into humor to expose what an

742
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Speaker 4: authoritarian is actually trying to do and to avoid falling

743
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Speaker 4: into falling into the traps that they are setting. And

744
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Speaker 4: I hope to see a lot of frog costumes out

745
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Speaker 4: for No King's protests on Saturday.

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Speaker 5: It's also look, I think this is brilliant as a

747
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 5: strategy and it's so organic and it just came together.

748
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Speaker 5: But in additionally your point that they don't want to

749
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Speaker 5: be ridiculed, the other thing is they want you to

750
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:12,279
Speaker 5: be scared to participate in these protests. And if you

751
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Speaker 5: went out for Hands Off or for May Day or

752
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:19,920
Speaker 5: for No Kings one. What you saw was joy. You

753
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 5: saw people having a good freaking time. They were dancing

754
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:25,960
Speaker 5: and they were laughing, they were funny signs, they were

755
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Speaker 5: making fun of Trump and the regime, they were meeting

756
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Speaker 5: new people. It was a scene and you want to

757
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Speaker 5: be part of that. So one of the things I

758
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Speaker 5: would ask for anybody thinking of going to their first

759
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Speaker 5: protest on Saturday is have a good time. Bring some

760
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Speaker 5: friends out, pump up your march with it fun music,

761
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Speaker 5: get some dancing going on, make make it a place

762
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Speaker 5: where people want to be. This has got to be

763
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Speaker 5: a popular movement for democracy. And look, we're doing serious stuff.

764
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Speaker 5: We're we're saving democracy, we're fighting against the fascist Yes,

765
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Speaker 5: that's real and that's serious. But if this is a

766
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Speaker 5: place where people don't feel welcome, people don't feel like

767
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 5: it's a fun place to be, it's not going to

768
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Speaker 5: become the mass movement that we need it to be.

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Speaker 5: So by all means, get that inflatable costume out there, like,

770
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Speaker 5: we want more of that because then people are gonna

771
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Speaker 5: want to show up.

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Speaker 1: And there's also part of this is the hilarious music,

773
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 1: right because the Trump administration wants it to like there

774
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:24,239
Speaker 1: was sort of a Benny Hill music situation. And part

775
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Speaker 1: of that is they want optics that look like these

776
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:31,919
Speaker 1: protesters are scary, right, that's right.

777
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Speaker 5: One of my favorite things was seeing a guy with

778
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:38,399
Speaker 5: a big tuba following around the right way, just making

779
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:41,680
Speaker 5: it absolutely ridiculous. Or the people in DC I saw

780
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:46,479
Speaker 5: falling around the members of Ice, or the National Guard

781
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 5: playing the Star Wars Darth Vader music. I think there

782
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 5: are untapped veins of creativity here that folks should explore.

783
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:59,239
Speaker 5: Get creative, make this real. This is not just being

784
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:02,360
Speaker 5: manufactured in some kind of top down way. It's legit.

785
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Speaker 5: It's grassroots. The inflatable cartoon characters came out in Portland.

786
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Speaker 5: Let's see what comes out in Austin or Minneapolis or

787
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:11,880
Speaker 5: storm like Iowa. I'm curious.

788
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Speaker 1: I would love you guys to explain what it does

789
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 1: to have huge protests, like explain why they're so nervous

790
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Speaker 1: about it.

791
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Speaker 4: Absolutely, I will say, I think it's a few different things.

792
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Speaker 4: The first is just, quite literally, it disrupts a certain

793
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Speaker 4: chilling effect that they are trying, that they're trying to

794
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:34,920
Speaker 4: have take root in America. Right, So much of their

795
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 4: playbook is about creating fear so that people preemptively obey.

796
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Speaker 4: It is about having everyone sort of think, oh, I

797
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:45,239
Speaker 4: had better fall in line and doing it. And if

798
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Speaker 4: they do that, then you don't even have to like

799
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:50,000
Speaker 4: roll out the full repression agenda. People have already fallen

800
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Speaker 4: in line. And that's what we've seen with a bunch

801
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:55,840
Speaker 4: of businesses, that's what we've seen with a bunch of you, yeah, exactly,

802
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:57,920
Speaker 4: And it doesn't work as well when it comes to

803
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:01,360
Speaker 4: regular people. And so a large protest in a period

804
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:04,400
Speaker 4: where it would be fascist is trying to consolidate control,

805
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:07,920
Speaker 4: is a very visible demonstration that we will not be

806
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 4: falling in line, that we are actually going to disrupt

807
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:13,239
Speaker 4: that cycle of anticipatory obedience. So that's like, that's one

808
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Speaker 4: big piece. The second is, if we're going to get

809
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 4: out of this, we are going to have to have

810
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Speaker 4: so many people do things that the regime does not

811
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 4: want them to do, and so many people not do

812
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Speaker 4: things that the region wants them to do. It's going

813
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Speaker 4: to look like a thousand different forms of defiance.

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Speaker 3: It is.

815
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Speaker 4: It looks like stuff like you know, organizing to push

816
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:32,839
Speaker 4: back on some of those law firms that have have

817
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 4: complied with Trump. It looks like college students and alumni

818
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:38,719
Speaker 4: pushing back on their universities. It looks like people in

819
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:41,040
Speaker 4: their jobs saying, hey, I think that's in illegal order,

820
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Speaker 4: or hey, I'm not going to do that. You're going

821
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:44,239
Speaker 4: to have to fire me if you want if you

822
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:48,239
Speaker 4: want me to do it. For people to do that

823
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:50,920
Speaker 4: kind of stuff, they need to feel like they are

824
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:52,879
Speaker 4: part of a movement. They need to feel like it's

825
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 4: more than just me taking an action on my own.

826
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Speaker 4: They need to understand that there are millions of other

827
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Speaker 4: people who are each kind of grabbing their thread and

828
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 4: pulling at the same time. And so a big event

829
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:06,319
Speaker 4: like this is actually part of how we form that

830
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:09,840
Speaker 4: mass identity of whatever I'm doing, whether I'm you know,

831
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Speaker 4: raising my hand at a PTA meeting and saying, hey,

832
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Speaker 4: what are we doing to protect students from ice, or

833
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Speaker 4: whether I'm, you know, trying to organize within my workplace.

834
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 4: Whatever I'm doing, I'm part of something much bigger, and

835
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Speaker 4: so the risk that I'm taking other people are taking

836
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Speaker 4: that risk with me. And then the third is it's

837
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 4: it's a mechanism for getting people more involved. As I

838
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:30,239
Speaker 4: was talking about earlier, you really want people to come

839
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 4: out to these events, but also to stay involved in

840
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:36,720
Speaker 4: a local organizing home that helps them take more action

841
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 4: and more escalate action. Right, we want people to be

842
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:42,279
Speaker 4: coming out to a protest, but then we also want

843
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:43,880
Speaker 4: them to be showing up at a town hall and

844
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Speaker 4: talking to their local elected representatives. We want them to

845
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:49,719
Speaker 4: be joining consumer boycotts like the push to get to

846
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 4: get Disney to put Kimmel back on the air. We

847
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Speaker 4: want them to be organizing in their house of worship

848
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Speaker 4: and in their school and in whatever venues they actually have.

849
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Speaker 4: And in order to do that, we actually have to

850
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:03,959
Speaker 4: have that local infrastructure, and we have to have people

851
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:05,600
Speaker 4: plugged in. And so we really want to make sure

852
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:08,440
Speaker 4: that when people and come out, we get them engaged

853
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Speaker 4: in a way that's ongoing.

854
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Speaker 1: That's really important when people push back on Kimmel. It

855
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 1: was humongous, and it made me wonder if the numbers

856
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:19,920
Speaker 1: are bigger than we think they are because of this

857
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Speaker 1: sort of siloed media infrastructure. You guys are interfacing with

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Speaker 1: these groups, and I mean, I know you don't have

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Speaker 1: a mechanism for sort of counting the numbers, but those

860
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Speaker 1: Kimmel numbers were big, and I just wonder what your

861
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Speaker 1: sort of sense is for this Saturday. And then I

862
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Speaker 1: know you shouldn't ask people to guess stuff like this

863
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Speaker 1: or predict the future, but I'm just curious.

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Speaker 5: Look from our own perspective, we've been in this wave

865
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Speaker 5: moment that's less than ten months now. We still have

866
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Speaker 5: five to eight new indivisible groups wearing every single day Molly,

867
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Speaker 5: every single day. We've doubled the number of indivisible groups

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Speaker 5: this year, We've quadrupled our own membership. We keep it

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Speaker 5: on extras, specking it to die down, and it doesn't.

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Speaker 5: It just doesn't. More and more people are coming in organizing.

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Speaker 5: Shout out to Patsy in Hatboro, Pennsylvania, a town of

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Speaker 5: eight thousand that just formed Hatborough Indivisible. Welcome to the woman.

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Speaker 5: That's what it looks like. And so I think what

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Speaker 5: we saw with Kimmel was an incredible case study and

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Speaker 5: how this can actually push back against authoritarianism. And I

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Speaker 5: think the smart way this movement develops going forward. Diano

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Speaker 5: Kings is looking for those opportunities where the regime threatens

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Speaker 5: an institution. The institution buckles. Is very clear that they buckled.

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Speaker 5: There is a clear target who cares that the mass

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Speaker 5: movement of pro democracy. Folks around the country don't like that.

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Speaker 5: Those folks have an action item, they carry out that

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Speaker 5: action item, and then there's a response. I don't know

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Speaker 5: who the next Disney's going to be, but I can

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Speaker 5: tell you the way this regime is lasting out, there's

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Speaker 5: going to be another one. And the good thing about

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Speaker 5: Disney Kimmel's back on the air. But the better thing

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Speaker 5: about Disney is all these other media institution saw then said,

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Speaker 5: oh shit, I don't want that to happen to me.

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Speaker 5: You don't actually have to fight every single fight. You

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Speaker 5: do need to win some high profile ones like that,

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Speaker 5: and so we're looking out for the next opportunities. I

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Speaker 5: think that's where it's going to go. And I think

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Speaker 5: there is going to be another institution that finds itself

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Speaker 5: on the wrong side of this and quickly shifts over,

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Speaker 5: and that is just going to fuel the movement more

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Speaker 5: and more.

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Speaker 1: So.

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Speaker 5: What is this week and going to look like it's

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Speaker 5: going to be the biggest peaceful protestsman modern American answer?

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Speaker 1: I guarantee you, Wow, that's very cool. Stay safe, stay peaceful.

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Speaker 1: What's the call to action?

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Speaker 4: Go to no Kings dot org and find your local

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Speaker 4: event for this Saturday and show up. Bring your friends,

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Speaker 4: bring your family, bring your funny signs and your frog costumes.

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Speaker 4: We want it all.

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Speaker 1: Thank you guys so much for joining, Thanks for having

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Speaker 1: us all.

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Speaker 5: Great talking all.

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Speaker 2: Jesse Canon Mai junk Fast. So one of the things

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Speaker 2: a lot of po don't realize is when you hear

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Speaker 2: about Trump in a third term and how stupid this is.

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Speaker 2: A lot of this is because one person talks about

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Speaker 2: it all day long. His name is Steve Bennon. He

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Speaker 2: went on the world's stupidest show, which is called Batya Wait.

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Speaker 1: We need a minute here on Bodya because you know

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Speaker 1: who batya ish.

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Speaker 2: I have followed Botia for longer than I would like.

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Speaker 1: Unfortunately, Botia used to be a big lefty.

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Speaker 2: And then she decided I will defend Trump no matter

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Speaker 2: what and make a fool of myself on cable television

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Speaker 2: because it's the brand. Baby.

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Speaker 1: Let's hear it, Jesse. Cut to the video clues.

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Speaker 7: So let me ask you about Trump twenty twenty eight.

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Speaker 7: We have a twenty second amendment which bar is anybody

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Speaker 7: from running for a third term. Do you think that

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Speaker 7: there's that's not a barrier for him? Or how do

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Speaker 7: you see that I.

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Speaker 6: Think that there are many different alternatives that at the

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Speaker 6: appropriate time after the midterms in twenty six we will

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Speaker 6: roll out. But I think there are many different alternatives

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Speaker 6: to make sure that President Trump is on the ballot,

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Speaker 6: and if he's on the ballot, he'll win.

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Speaker 1: So Batya, who I used to know is a liberal

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Speaker 1: before she decided nothing matters. Look, man, Donald Trump cannot

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Speaker 1: run again. He is lame duck. My man Steve Bannon

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Speaker 1: knows that, and he knows that that is a position

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Speaker 1: of weakness, and so he wants people to think that

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump can run again, but he cannot and he

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Speaker 1: will not. And the other thing is by then he'll

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Speaker 1: be eighty three. And there we go. You're welcome, Jesse kenn.

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Speaker 2: God knows what he's mumbling about. Aside from not getting

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Speaker 2: into heaven by them eighty.

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Speaker 1: Three, I'm sure he'll be just sharp as a tech

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Speaker 1: at eighty three.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: That's it for this episode of Fast Politics. Tune in

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