1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,040 Speaker 1: And welcome to Mondays. This is a Big Blue Kickoff 2 00:00:02,040 --> 00:00:04,040 Speaker 1: live here on Giants dot com. So glad you could 3 00:00:04,080 --> 00:00:06,120 Speaker 1: join us alongside Paul the Tina on Lance Meadow with 4 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:09,360 Speaker 1: you in the next sixty minutes. Two zero one five 5 00:00:09,440 --> 00:00:11,600 Speaker 1: one three is the telephone number. You can also interact 6 00:00:11,600 --> 00:00:15,120 Speaker 1: with us on Twitter hashtag Giants Chat Reminder. Big Blue 7 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:17,440 Speaker 1: Kickoff Live presented by Corps Light. Download the Coors Live 8 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:20,800 Speaker 1: Rewards app to win Amazing Giants prizes. So we will 9 00:00:20,840 --> 00:00:24,640 Speaker 1: tackle the combine, will get into free agency and tomorrow 10 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:26,920 Speaker 1: which is where I want to start. Paul, is the 11 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:30,240 Speaker 1: deadline to give out the tags, the transition tag and 12 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:33,279 Speaker 1: the franchise tag, and it remains to be seen if 13 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:36,159 Speaker 1: the Giants are going to utilize any of those tags. 14 00:00:36,159 --> 00:00:39,360 Speaker 1: But let's just look big picture here, Paul, were what 15 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:41,440 Speaker 1: about a week and a half to two weeks in 16 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 1: and other than Robbie Gold of the San Francisco forty Niners, 17 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 1: former Giants Kicker tag really has not been utilized across 18 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:52,640 Speaker 1: the board, and based on the projections, a lot of 19 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 1: people were talking about how as many as maybe ten 20 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:58,279 Speaker 1: players could get the tags. Well, getting back from the combine, 21 00:00:58,360 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 1: we had a lot of stuff coming in uh into 22 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:04,560 Speaker 1: our computer banks, whether it was about the prospects that 23 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:08,160 Speaker 1: are training or about the free agents, and it seemed 24 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:12,480 Speaker 1: to me lands there was a very strong feeling, almost unanimous, 25 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 1: amongst those in the know, that those tags would be 26 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:20,960 Speaker 1: applied at some point before the deadline. Whether it's today 27 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 1: or whether or not it's tomorrow, two minutes before the 28 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:26,399 Speaker 1: clock strikes four, I can't tell you that, but there 29 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:28,600 Speaker 1: is a very strong feeling that all those tags that 30 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:31,240 Speaker 1: we thought were going to happen are still going to happen. 31 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 1: And I've said this on multiple occasions, Paul, and you're right. 32 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:37,920 Speaker 1: There's still plenty of time four pm Eastern tomorrow, so 33 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:40,440 Speaker 1: teams can wait till the very end. It's not as 34 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 1: if you get an edge, Paul by giving them the 35 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 1: tag three or four days early. And the other thing 36 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:47,640 Speaker 1: is the whole point of waiting for the tag is 37 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 1: to see if you can actually get closer to a 38 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:52,200 Speaker 1: long term deal. Why would you want to utilize the 39 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:54,880 Speaker 1: tag if you can free up some money down the road. 40 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 1: But what I always say is the better option, and 41 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 1: this is just my person opinion. I would wish that 42 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 1: teams would utilize the transition tag more often than the 43 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 1: franchise tag. To me, the transition take tag makes so 44 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 1: much more sense the fact that you're basically telling the 45 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 1: player go out test the market, see what you can get, 46 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:19,200 Speaker 1: as opposed to I feel like the franchise tag, Paul, 47 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:23,239 Speaker 1: you're bidding against yourself because it's unlikely anybody else is 48 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 1: gonna come in and steal the player away because they're 49 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 1: not gonna want to give up two first round picks. 50 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:29,640 Speaker 1: With the transition tag does is gives the player the 51 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 1: flexibility to test the market. At the same time, you 52 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 1: have the right to match anything, so if a team 53 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:37,520 Speaker 1: blows a player away, you at least have something to 54 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:40,240 Speaker 1: think about. If nobody comes into the picture, then at 55 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 1: least perhaps you gain some leverage in the negotiations because 56 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:45,240 Speaker 1: there wasn't as big of a market or demand on 57 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 1: the player. Well, part of the problem is you don't 58 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:51,360 Speaker 1: get the price back in compensation with the transition as 59 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 1: opposed to the franchise first round picks. And in many 60 00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 1: cases teams are very gun shy. They think there might 61 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:01,840 Speaker 1: be a mav it out there that is going to 62 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:04,799 Speaker 1: open the vault just one. All it takes is one 63 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:08,600 Speaker 1: to say Okay, we want that player you have, and 64 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 1: we are going to give them Mucco Mucco Dolores and 65 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, okay, well that's money we can't match. Well, 66 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:19,840 Speaker 1: if we put the franchise on him, we can get 67 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:23,960 Speaker 1: the two first round picks back. So look, let's face it, 68 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:28,320 Speaker 1: the two first round picks is compensation is a mega, 69 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 1: mega barrier that most other teams don't even want to touch. 70 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 1: You only need one hand to tell how many times 71 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:38,360 Speaker 1: it's actually happened in NFL history, So that spells it out. 72 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 1: You know, teams, you're you're asking why teams don't go 73 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 1: transition and go franchise instead, because the safety net is 74 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 1: much more secure. You're gonna be able to hold the 75 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 1: player hostage. But I will say this, if you use 76 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 1: the transition tag, Paul, and you ultimately lose the player, 77 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 1: you're still gonna get compensatory picks. It's gonna factor into that. 78 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 1: It's not easy if you're gonna walk away empty handed, 79 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 1: the player leaves and you don't get anything, he's going 80 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:04,080 Speaker 1: to be factored into the calculation. One numbers. But you 81 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:08,520 Speaker 1: know what, sometimes an extra third round pick. But I'm 82 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 1: not saying there's no value in that. But one third 83 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 1: round pick doesn't equal to first round. I'm not saying 84 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 1: it equates, but the bottom line is at least you're 85 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:17,680 Speaker 1: getting an asset to utilize that step. That's all. Anyway. 86 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:20,080 Speaker 1: We could sit here all day long and give you 87 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:22,680 Speaker 1: plenty of examples. I could give a team two first 88 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:24,800 Speaker 1: round picks. It all comes down to what they do 89 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:27,279 Speaker 1: with the two first round picks. It's two first round 90 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:30,359 Speaker 1: picks you don't take advantage of. It makes no difference. 91 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 1: And that goes back to the terminology of the draft 92 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:36,880 Speaker 1: being in an exact science. Two zero one three is 93 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:40,800 Speaker 1: the telephone number hashtag giants Chat. In addition to that, 94 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:44,040 Speaker 1: combine is still going on. It's gonna wrap up today, 95 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 1: and you had each and every position have an opportunity 96 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 1: to showcase their skill set. My personal opinion again, when 97 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 1: it comes to the combine, Paul, I'm not a huge 98 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:54,920 Speaker 1: fan overall. I think teams the biggest takeaway is sitting 99 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:57,360 Speaker 1: down with some of these prospects, having an opportunity to 100 00:04:57,400 --> 00:04:59,680 Speaker 1: talk with them, getting to know them. As far as 101 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 1: you try to sell me on a guy that you 102 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 1: watch run the forty yard dash and he was fast 103 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:06,159 Speaker 1: in his underwear. That's great. And if you want to 104 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 1: call us up and tell us about how you were 105 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:10,479 Speaker 1: blown away by a guy with his speed, show me 106 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:11,800 Speaker 1: what he could do when he's got the helmet and 107 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:14,640 Speaker 1: the pads on. I'm sorry, I feel what they do 108 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:18,680 Speaker 1: in college is far more important than everybody tuning into television. 109 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 1: We actually have it on right in front of us, 110 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 1: and you're telling me them jumping up high to get 111 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 1: an interception and catching a pass and running in circles 112 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:28,040 Speaker 1: around cones. I just I don't find that being a 113 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:31,680 Speaker 1: huge takeaway. I'm with you. I mean, look, when I 114 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:34,920 Speaker 1: consider the players myself, and obviously I'm not a GM, 115 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:38,359 Speaker 1: but I figure about of it is going to be 116 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 1: the tape that I'm watching on the guy, and then 117 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:43,360 Speaker 1: the other fifteen percent of it is gonna be I 118 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:46,360 Speaker 1: am interested somewhat in personality. I will tell you when 119 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:48,520 Speaker 1: I when I go to the combine and I get 120 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:50,719 Speaker 1: a chance to talk to these players as well, which 121 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 1: I did during the three days that we were there 122 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 1: last week. Talked to the quarterbacks, talked to the offensive lineman, 123 00:05:56,880 --> 00:05:59,599 Speaker 1: uh that was very important to me. Talked to uh, 124 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:01,960 Speaker 1: you know, many guys as I could all the quote 125 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 1: key names, and I definitely got certain vibes and feelings. 126 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:10,400 Speaker 1: And I will tell you this, I believe the one 127 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 1: unit where personality is really a very important factor is 128 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 1: on the offensive line. Those guys literally have to be 129 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:22,920 Speaker 1: a family within a family, a team within a team, 130 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:25,520 Speaker 1: if you will. We've heard there so many, so many times, 131 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:30,360 Speaker 1: especially from winning teams that have solid offensive lines, and 132 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 1: maybe the reason that their offensive line is solid, much 133 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 1: like the Giants Tom Coughlin's Super Bowl years. They weren't 134 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:40,119 Speaker 1: the most talented offensive lines in the National Football League, 135 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 1: but they were so tight. Personality is is really a 136 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:48,640 Speaker 1: big deal when it comes to offensive linemen. So I 137 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:52,520 Speaker 1: will tell you, yes, I did have certain opinions about 138 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:56,040 Speaker 1: certain offensive lineman aside from whatever notes I've taken on 139 00:06:56,120 --> 00:07:00,080 Speaker 1: their work their personalities. Yeah, I did write down this 140 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:02,040 Speaker 1: guy would fit in really well. I'll give you I'll 141 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:05,159 Speaker 1: give you a great example, Reisner from from Kansas State, 142 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:09,240 Speaker 1: the versatile linement guy who moved around. He would fit 143 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 1: in perfectly with the Giants offensive line right now. He's 144 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 1: exactly the kind of guy who would have fit in 145 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 1: with those Super Bowl offensive linement. The personality, the the work, ethic. 146 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:23,800 Speaker 1: You could tell by what he was talking about and 147 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 1: what what was important to him, how he went about it, 148 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 1: willingness to do whatever it took. Fun, loving, jovial, energetic, 149 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:37,480 Speaker 1: very interactive, um very effusive in his remarks. Boy, you 150 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 1: know that's a good thing, especially if you're a rookie 151 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 1: coming into a locker room where you're needed to be 152 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 1: plugged into the starting lineup and you have to mess 153 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 1: quickly with those guys. That's gonna be an important part. 154 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:55,280 Speaker 1: So for me, yeah, it was a big deal to 155 00:07:55,400 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 1: get to get a listen to these offensive linement. That's 156 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 1: not as important necessarily on some of the other positions 157 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:03,080 Speaker 1: it is for quarterback. You do want the quarterback to 158 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:06,920 Speaker 1: have a presence and and a certain command and maturity. 159 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:12,000 Speaker 1: Other than those two positions, those those personal interviews aren't 160 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:14,560 Speaker 1: as big a deal for me. But I think that 161 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:17,320 Speaker 1: is by far the most important element out of the 162 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:22,040 Speaker 1: combine is what I'm getting at the medical guys that 163 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 1: are going to get follow up medical checks to down. 164 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:26,120 Speaker 1: That is not necessarily going to learn everything out of 165 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 1: the combine, But yeah, that's not on full display. That's 166 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:32,440 Speaker 1: more of backdoor channels that teams find out how healthy 167 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:34,720 Speaker 1: a player is, how far along he is with respect 168 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 1: to his rehab. The other thing that's important, though, uh 169 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 1: as well. Lance Guys who dramatically change their body make up, 170 00:08:43,920 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 1: whether it's like their weight, all of a sudden, they 171 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 1: report twenty pounds heavier than they were when they last 172 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 1: played their last college game. It's like, okay, that's artificial weight, 173 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:58,800 Speaker 1: that's not There's also artificial height too. What's on paper 174 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:02,000 Speaker 1: trying to be sent saitive to you. I wasn't going there. 175 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 1: I wasn't softer sensitive. But so much is made of 176 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:11,960 Speaker 1: the weights. And you know, I remember, you know, my 177 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:15,280 Speaker 1: my rule of thumb from from the personnel people years 178 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:17,920 Speaker 1: ago with the giants always taught me and they said, 179 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:22,880 Speaker 1: you know, to be perfectly frank with you, Um five ten, 180 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 1: that's that's about. That's about all you want to see. 181 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:30,200 Speaker 1: You know. If guys are suddenly losing twenty pounds or 182 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:33,960 Speaker 1: gaining twenty pounds between their last game and the combine, 183 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:37,760 Speaker 1: you gotta you gotta start saying, well, something's not right there. 184 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:40,439 Speaker 1: Workout regiment to all of those things. Because it wasn't 185 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:43,439 Speaker 1: It wasn't done in the natural course of football. It 186 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 1: was done because of a specific training regiment or whatever 187 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:50,400 Speaker 1: it is that you did to yourself because you just 188 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 1: wanted to put a certain number on the board at 189 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:54,480 Speaker 1: the combine. Well, and that's a fake number. Well, I 190 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 1: agree with you. That's why. Also what scouts saying executives, 191 00:09:57,679 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 1: it's important they're gonna look at the body make of 192 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:02,320 Speaker 1: of a player at the combine, and then if they 193 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:05,320 Speaker 1: see them again at the Pro day, they're also going 194 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:08,920 Speaker 1: to look did the guy manufacture a new party for 195 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:11,760 Speaker 1: the combine on the national stage and then return to 196 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:14,679 Speaker 1: his normal form at Pro Day or vice versa. All 197 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:18,120 Speaker 1: of those things are extremely relevant in the conversation, but 198 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:21,880 Speaker 1: in terms of the pure measurements and statistics out of 199 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:24,320 Speaker 1: the combine, I, for one, him just not a person 200 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 1: that gets overly enamored with those things. I see people 201 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 1: on social media they list forty yard dash times and 202 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:32,760 Speaker 1: this and that, And I'm looking at the guy and 203 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:35,959 Speaker 1: I'm saying, yeah, he's a great athlete, but he doesn't 204 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:37,439 Speaker 1: have pads on. It is have a helmet on, And 205 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:39,400 Speaker 1: you're gonna tell me that doesn't weigh down individuals. I 206 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:41,680 Speaker 1: want to see how they run sidelines the sideline, Paul, 207 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 1: with those things on I've been screaming for years, for 208 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 1: years that all of these drills that we're watching need 209 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:55,199 Speaker 1: to be done with football here exactly, this, this, this 210 00:10:55,440 --> 00:11:01,680 Speaker 1: tells me virtually nothing. The Underwear Olympics are virtual useless. Virtually, 211 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:06,199 Speaker 1: not totally, but virtually because if such and such a 212 00:11:06,280 --> 00:11:10,760 Speaker 1: player is testing two tents of a second faster than 213 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:14,160 Speaker 1: everybody else at the combine, but then they all get 214 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:17,320 Speaker 1: in pads and gear, and now they get on the 215 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:19,480 Speaker 1: field and all of a sudden he's two tents of 216 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:22,400 Speaker 1: a second slower than everybody. Isn't a more important day 217 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:26,640 Speaker 1: to take consideration? Really, what did you learn? And here's 218 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 1: another thing, Like I said, we've got it on right 219 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:30,960 Speaker 1: now above us. So we're watching the cornerbacks and the 220 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:34,200 Speaker 1: safeties go through drills right now, Paul, they throw the 221 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 1: ball up while those guys are back pedaling. Now in faannnas, 222 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:40,800 Speaker 1: when you have a helmet on it, pads speed is impacted, 223 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:44,640 Speaker 1: balls site is impacted too, right when you're in the helmet. 224 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:46,920 Speaker 1: So a guy who gets a clean interception right now 225 00:11:46,920 --> 00:11:48,800 Speaker 1: that he's catching and that he's running, in fact, that's great. 226 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:51,200 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm glad to see that he's got the 227 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:54,080 Speaker 1: ability to locate the football, But what can he do 228 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:56,160 Speaker 1: when he's got the pads and the helmet on. Doesn't 229 00:11:56,160 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 1: that change the dynamics of the execution, does it not? So, 230 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:02,000 Speaker 1: I mean it's comical to me, and I get it. 231 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:04,480 Speaker 1: It's the NFL all season Listen. We're a part of 232 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:07,040 Speaker 1: that machine. We have a show all year round, and 233 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:09,880 Speaker 1: it's an opportunity for fans, an opportunity for us to interact. 234 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:13,520 Speaker 1: But I just don't see the value in getting overly 235 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:16,160 Speaker 1: worked up over this stuff. Let's make it very clear. 236 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:19,560 Speaker 1: I'm gonna I say this every single time at this 237 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 1: time of year. The rule of thumb is very simple. 238 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:30,280 Speaker 1: The combine does not affect a player's grade negatively unless 239 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:34,800 Speaker 1: you find out there's a medical issue or there is 240 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:40,240 Speaker 1: a personality profile issue, skips a meeting. Nothing about his 241 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:45,640 Speaker 1: performance on the field will knock his grade down at 242 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:49,800 Speaker 1: the from from the combine. If he does really, really 243 00:12:49,920 --> 00:12:53,240 Speaker 1: well across the board everything at the combine, he comes 244 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:57,280 Speaker 1: through with flying colors, he gets knocks notched up a 245 00:12:57,400 --> 00:13:04,160 Speaker 1: tiny little bit, maybe usually either a tiny little bit 246 00:13:04,280 --> 00:13:06,880 Speaker 1: or the other. The other option is you go back 247 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:09,560 Speaker 1: and you look at his game tape again. What that does. 248 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:13,240 Speaker 1: Is it signals that, oh, red light, red light, red light, 249 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:16,120 Speaker 1: we gotta review his game tape again because he really 250 00:13:16,160 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 1: did all the things so great at the combine that 251 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:21,400 Speaker 1: maybe we should just give him one more look again 252 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:25,319 Speaker 1: at game tape. It'll give you an opportunity to re check, 253 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:29,160 Speaker 1: if you will, your original notes on him. That's it 254 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:34,160 Speaker 1: the combined. Contrary to popular opinion, although there are teams 255 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 1: the Raiders were one of them for years who allowed 256 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:43,520 Speaker 1: the combine to significantly adjust their grades, well, any smart 257 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:46,960 Speaker 1: team does not. There are a few out there that do, 258 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:50,600 Speaker 1: but most of the teams, the old school philosophy is 259 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:55,800 Speaker 1: that the combine hardly ever impacts the players great, I'm 260 00:13:55,800 --> 00:13:58,920 Speaker 1: with you. If anything, it could hurt you negatively or 261 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:01,679 Speaker 1: to your point, it forces teams to maybe just go 262 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:05,559 Speaker 1: back and rethink things, reinforce things, reevaluate things. But I 263 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:08,440 Speaker 1: don't think anybody's going to be extremely downgraded because they 264 00:14:08,520 --> 00:14:11,440 Speaker 1: ran the forty R dash four point six instead of 265 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:14,120 Speaker 1: four point five, or whatever measurement and limits they had 266 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:17,840 Speaker 1: in their heads. Two zero one five one three is 267 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:21,240 Speaker 1: the telephone number hashtag giants chat on Twitter. 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So I just wanted to try. 276 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 1: It's too I think, you know, the the NFL combine, 277 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:55,240 Speaker 1: it's good to one fan to get it's excited for 278 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 1: the you know, for the upcoming season based on Guys 279 00:14:57,880 --> 00:15:02,080 Speaker 1: Now Business. But I think for MS it's just kind 280 00:15:02,120 --> 00:15:04,680 Speaker 1: of like what would separate their one ace from their 281 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:07,080 Speaker 1: one d um And they've got two guys that are 282 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:10,520 Speaker 1: close on the numbers, the combound and the combine, and 283 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:14,479 Speaker 1: most of the interviews might separate the guys. Hey listens 284 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:18,080 Speaker 1: actually better for that, But you know there's one exception 285 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:21,320 Speaker 1: for that, I think, and it's wild receivers. But why 286 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:25,000 Speaker 1: receiver goes and puts up some godly numbers in the combine, 287 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:29,960 Speaker 1: Usually their stock rises wrong stick, and I've received that 288 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 1: through the years that you know, you've got some guys 289 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:35,720 Speaker 1: i mean from you know, track star athlete numbers and 290 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:39,800 Speaker 1: then they get drafted really high like Darius Hayward Bays 291 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:43,600 Speaker 1: from Oakland and only other guys that guy d Metcast. 292 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:47,040 Speaker 1: He's gonna full probably top ten now, just because of 293 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:49,040 Speaker 1: what he did at the combine. What do you do 294 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 1: you guys do with that? Again, there are a handful 295 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:56,360 Speaker 1: of teams that will affect their grades by a large 296 00:15:56,400 --> 00:15:59,280 Speaker 1: margin based on the combine. There are those that will 297 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:03,080 Speaker 1: do it. Most teams do not, So you're you're in. 298 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:06,400 Speaker 1: All takes is one team to say X player did 299 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:08,960 Speaker 1: great at the combine. Oh my god, I'm gonna rise 300 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:13,880 Speaker 1: him ten spots on my board. Well, fine, whatever, God 301 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:15,960 Speaker 1: bless you go through it well. And it depends on 302 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:18,520 Speaker 1: what teams put a great deal of stocking. I'm sure 303 00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:20,480 Speaker 1: there are teams that do put value in the forty 304 00:16:20,520 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 1: yard dash for certain positions. But if you look at 305 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:25,200 Speaker 1: also a guy like John Ross who was taken by 306 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:27,600 Speaker 1: the Bengals a few years ago, and he had blazing 307 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:30,640 Speaker 1: speed and he has not been able to stay healthy. Now, 308 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:33,880 Speaker 1: that doesn't mean that he's a bust. Yeah, you know 309 00:16:35,280 --> 00:16:37,880 Speaker 1: what Antonio brought up. But John Ross a more recent 310 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:42,440 Speaker 1: guy who ran I think like a four point two. Yeah, 311 00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:44,480 Speaker 1: so it was through the room, you win the island? 312 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:48,360 Speaker 1: Say that again, didn't he win the island? Adds was 313 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 1: given out island if they break the record, and I 314 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:55,680 Speaker 1: think he wanted or something like that. He may have. 315 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:57,760 Speaker 1: I don't recall that, it's very possible. I just know 316 00:16:57,840 --> 00:17:00,680 Speaker 1: that his speed was something that jumped off the page 317 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 1: before you even watch them run fast this combined net 318 00:17:03,280 --> 00:17:06,119 Speaker 1: Once again, the level of execution hasn't necessarily equated to 319 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:08,919 Speaker 1: the speed. So yeah, somebody is going to probably elevate 320 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:11,439 Speaker 1: their stock, But I just think if you're a smart GM, 321 00:17:11,560 --> 00:17:14,840 Speaker 1: you don't necessarily make that the priority. And see the 322 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:17,159 Speaker 1: shame of it is. And again I get it what 323 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:21,000 Speaker 1: Land said that we as media, we we focus on 324 00:17:21,040 --> 00:17:23,320 Speaker 1: all the stuff because it is the off season and 325 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:26,679 Speaker 1: we really want to have as much NFL as we 326 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:31,800 Speaker 1: can consume. But honestly, if if the networks were being 327 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:34,919 Speaker 1: truthful with you, they would tell you what I already 328 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:39,400 Speaker 1: told you that most teams will barely adjust their combined 329 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:43,080 Speaker 1: grades on any of these players. That's the truth. But 330 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:45,320 Speaker 1: then you know, what, what do they do when they've 331 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:49,320 Speaker 1: got thirty analysts on site and such and such says, oh, 332 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:51,920 Speaker 1: this guy did great, this guy did this. This. These 333 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:56,080 Speaker 1: are my ten risers on the board. I mean, you 334 00:17:56,119 --> 00:18:01,240 Speaker 1: know what I mean, It's like, it's showmanship, man, it's showmanship. 335 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:03,840 Speaker 1: A Paul one question and then I'm gonna get off 336 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:07,360 Speaker 1: the food at once. What's your take now of Dwayne 337 00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:10,639 Speaker 1: Haskins now that you know you said a combine? Um, 338 00:18:10,840 --> 00:18:14,239 Speaker 1: my personal opinion, he had a really good combine and 339 00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:17,880 Speaker 1: it's just kind of, you know, helped him because obviously 340 00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:20,520 Speaker 1: his tape for that, even though it was one year, 341 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:23,480 Speaker 1: was great. And then the combine, I think that you 342 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:26,400 Speaker 1: know what we've hand from Manifold Network was that everything 343 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:28,360 Speaker 1: looked really good. The ball was coming out of him. 344 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:31,080 Speaker 1: So what's what's your take on him? Now? Now that 345 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:33,880 Speaker 1: the combine is over? And I'm intro of those lines? 346 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:37,679 Speaker 1: Take you so much, guys, My chake is no different 347 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:40,399 Speaker 1: than I went in. I would not take him at 348 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:42,359 Speaker 1: number six. If I was in charge of a team 349 00:18:42,359 --> 00:18:44,800 Speaker 1: as a general manager, I would not take Caskins at 350 00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:47,760 Speaker 1: six and enough of people if you had the opportunity 351 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:52,800 Speaker 1: to listen to our draft shows. Um, we had my goodness, 352 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:58,399 Speaker 1: at least a dozen Draft Gurus experts on during the 353 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:00,880 Speaker 1: three days a Big Blue kick off li from Indianapolis 354 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:05,600 Speaker 1: last week, and I'm pretty sure that only one or 355 00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:08,360 Speaker 1: two of them suggested that Haskins would be a top 356 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:12,520 Speaker 1: ten in terms of real value, they all always going 357 00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:14,760 Speaker 1: to be different. They all know he's gonna be picked there. 358 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:17,720 Speaker 1: But in terms of value, I think we only had 359 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:20,879 Speaker 1: like two guys who said that he should even be 360 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 1: near that, because his value is really not there, and 361 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:28,400 Speaker 1: as a result, I could not pick him at six. 362 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:31,160 Speaker 1: My my, my opinion of him hadn't hasn't changed one 363 00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:33,720 Speaker 1: bit in fact of anything. I'm digging my heels and 364 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:38,760 Speaker 1: even further, majority opinion is that these top quarterbacks, Kyler 365 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:42,000 Speaker 1: Murray and Dwayne Haskins would be about five or six 366 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:44,400 Speaker 1: if they were in the two thousand eighteen class. That's 367 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:46,920 Speaker 1: the majority opinion from what I've heard. I always ask 368 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:50,040 Speaker 1: people where would you put Haskins and Murray comparable to 369 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:53,679 Speaker 1: Mayfield and Donald and rose In and Allen, and usually 370 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:57,560 Speaker 1: the responses about five and six. So you're arguing that 371 00:19:57,880 --> 00:20:01,600 Speaker 1: the four quarterbacks that went one, two, three, four last year, 372 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:04,080 Speaker 1: you would have taken before you would have even considered 373 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:06,159 Speaker 1: Murray and Haskins. But here's the other thing that I 374 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:10,000 Speaker 1: want to say. The Giants are picking six overall, and 375 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:11,800 Speaker 1: we're going to continue to field phone calls for the 376 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:15,160 Speaker 1: next few months until the draft. For all we know, 377 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:18,359 Speaker 1: Murray and Haskins and in all likelihood are not even 378 00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:20,879 Speaker 1: going to be available or on the board by the 379 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:23,680 Speaker 1: time the Giants pick six, assuming that the Giants don't 380 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:26,800 Speaker 1: move up in the draft. So all of these hypotheticals 381 00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:28,639 Speaker 1: that people want to call in. If you're the Giants, 382 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:30,359 Speaker 1: would you take it. You could get to the day 383 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:31,920 Speaker 1: of the draft and those two guys are off the 384 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:34,600 Speaker 1: board and they're not even an option. It's a fairy tale. 385 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:37,959 Speaker 1: It's not even realistic to consider because they won't have 386 00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:40,760 Speaker 1: an opportunity to evaluate that now I understand. Now is 387 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:43,600 Speaker 1: the game of hypotheticals, and we're not there yet. But 388 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:45,920 Speaker 1: just keep in mind, those two guys could very well 389 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 1: be off the board before the Giants even pickt six. 390 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:52,760 Speaker 1: I'll give you two likely scenarios. If the Cardinals are 391 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:56,560 Speaker 1: in fact not blowing smoke, and and there's a possibility 392 00:20:56,720 --> 00:21:00,919 Speaker 1: that that they really like Murray and they take him. 393 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:07,240 Speaker 1: How about the Redskins where Gruden trades with Gruden move 394 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:10,760 Speaker 1: up to the Raiders spot. Because now I heard while 395 00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:14,159 Speaker 1: I was out in Indy they're not counting on on 396 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:19,159 Speaker 1: Smith coming back. I don't think back they are in 397 00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:22,280 Speaker 1: the market for a new quarterback, they will in all 398 00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:26,720 Speaker 1: likelihood be drafting one. Well, so so they may want Haskins. 399 00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:32,640 Speaker 1: They may deal Gruden with Gruden four, move the Raiders 400 00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:35,760 Speaker 1: down to fifteen, Redskins go up to four because they 401 00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:38,600 Speaker 1: think they need the quarterback. Then Murray could be gone 402 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:41,520 Speaker 1: at one, Haskins could be gone at four, and then 403 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:43,720 Speaker 1: we don't have to hear about any of this quarterback 404 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:45,840 Speaker 1: talk when the Giants get on the board at six. Well, 405 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:48,600 Speaker 1: that's exactly what I'm laying out. I still don't believe 406 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 1: that the Cardinals are gonna trade Rosen and take Murray. 407 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:55,040 Speaker 1: I just don't believe that. But listen, a lot of 408 00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:58,720 Speaker 1: unpredictability has occurred in the National Football League, so I 409 00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:01,560 Speaker 1: wouldn't necessarily roll out. I just personally don't see that happening. 410 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:03,959 Speaker 1: But I could also see Arizona maybe trading with somebody 411 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:07,360 Speaker 1: else who's very high on Haskins or Murray, and then 412 00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:09,280 Speaker 1: they reaped the rewards because they get a number of 413 00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:12,080 Speaker 1: draft picks. I agree with your sentiment about the Redskins. 414 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:16,120 Speaker 1: Washington unlikely have Alex Smith back next season. Colt McCoy's 415 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:18,919 Speaker 1: the starter as it appears right now, but you know 416 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:21,880 Speaker 1: it would make sense even from a salary cap perspective, Paul, 417 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:24,240 Speaker 1: you have a lot of money tied up with Alex Smith. 418 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:27,720 Speaker 1: You don't necessarily have the luxury, even with Alex Smith 419 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:29,720 Speaker 1: not playing this season, to go out and spend money 420 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:32,920 Speaker 1: in the free agent market on quarterback. So you want 421 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:34,639 Speaker 1: to do the next best thing, which is to get 422 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:37,159 Speaker 1: a quarterback on a rookie deal. That's why Murray and 423 00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:41,159 Speaker 1: Haskins to me, makes sense for the Washington Redskins. And 424 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:44,080 Speaker 1: you're right, considering the grudens are related. Maybe they could 425 00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:46,520 Speaker 1: do some wheeling and dealing and they want to move up, 426 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:49,720 Speaker 1: and Oakland has three first round picks, so has the 427 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:53,560 Speaker 1: flexibility to move down get even more resources. I think 428 00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:56,200 Speaker 1: logically speaking, that makes a lot of sense. That's that's 429 00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:58,120 Speaker 1: a whisper that I heard in Indy, and the other 430 00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:01,000 Speaker 1: whisper that continues to kind of filter through the airs 431 00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:03,639 Speaker 1: that Jacksonville is gonna go get Nick Foles. Yes, that 432 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:07,320 Speaker 1: well that we've been hearing for We've been well. I 433 00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:11,280 Speaker 1: said that immediately when they hired John D. Filippo as 434 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:13,920 Speaker 1: their offensive cording. He worked with Nick Foles in Philadelphia, 435 00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:15,959 Speaker 1: was his qubs coach. So all you need to do 436 00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:19,280 Speaker 1: is connect the dots. Relationships big part of the National 437 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:22,080 Speaker 1: Football League. So if they go out and they signed 438 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:24,440 Speaker 1: Nick Foles in free agency, which they'll be able to 439 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:28,879 Speaker 1: do in a few weeks, then unlikely that Jacksonville is 440 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:31,640 Speaker 1: going to perhaps draft a quarterback if they're gonna invest 441 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:33,760 Speaker 1: that type of money in Nick Foles, who also is 442 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:35,840 Speaker 1: still relatively young. It's not as if he's an old man. 443 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:38,280 Speaker 1: So those dynamics you have to see how they play 444 00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:41,159 Speaker 1: out before you start to project what's gonna go on 445 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:43,680 Speaker 1: the draft. I just think it's important for Giants fans understand, 446 00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:45,480 Speaker 1: especially those of you, are very high on some of 447 00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:47,520 Speaker 1: these quarterbacks. They could very well both be off the 448 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:49,680 Speaker 1: board by the time the Giants pick six, and then 449 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:53,440 Speaker 1: you spent three or four months agonizing over they gotta 450 00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:55,480 Speaker 1: take this guy, they gotta take that guy, and they're 451 00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:58,040 Speaker 1: not even available to pipe dream this. Just then got 452 00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:01,680 Speaker 1: a text bread Farv is coming out and he wants 453 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:06,400 Speaker 1: to play got you that's just kidding. Yes, I'm sure 454 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:09,280 Speaker 1: team is gonna be banging down the door such as 455 00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:12,880 Speaker 1: Green Bay right because they're clearly unsure about what they're 456 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:14,680 Speaker 1: gonna do with the quarterback position. Let's head back to 457 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:16,840 Speaker 1: the phone lines. We've got Christian in New York on 458 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:22,280 Speaker 1: the line here on Big Blue Kickoff Live. What's going on? Christian? Hey, guys, um, 459 00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:25,800 Speaker 1: I have a draft question for Paul. I was wondering, like, 460 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:28,280 Speaker 1: if if you were to put together your own big board, 461 00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:32,600 Speaker 1: how much would you factor in positional value when you 462 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:39,480 Speaker 1: put that together? Don't? Don't at all. Don't can't when 463 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:42,959 Speaker 1: you when you put together the board the board. Again, 464 00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:45,160 Speaker 1: I come from an old school philosophy, and I guess 465 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:47,200 Speaker 1: it depends on how you were brought up and how 466 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:49,960 Speaker 1: you were taught and how you cut your teeth. My 467 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:52,879 Speaker 1: my teeth were cut on the big board? Is best 468 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:56,080 Speaker 1: player available, best grades, go at the top, and you 469 00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:59,119 Speaker 1: work it all the way down and you you don't 470 00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:02,320 Speaker 1: consider position san at all. The only time the position 471 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:05,600 Speaker 1: becomes a consideration is if when you get to your 472 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:09,800 Speaker 1: spot in the draft, and you see, okay, who is available, 473 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:12,160 Speaker 1: and then you say, well, let's say one guy's got 474 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:14,840 Speaker 1: a grade of nine point five, another guy's got nine 475 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:18,400 Speaker 1: point four, another guy's got nine five, another guy's got 476 00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:23,639 Speaker 1: nine six. Well, now if they're raisor thin close, okay, 477 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:27,040 Speaker 1: Now you say to yourself, okay, these guys are raisors 478 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:30,280 Speaker 1: thin close. These are the four or five or six 479 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:33,760 Speaker 1: players clusters that we've got in our spot and the 480 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:38,960 Speaker 1: value is good. Well, now we have to consider other factors, 481 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:45,199 Speaker 1: which is position need um, you know, contract, situation of 482 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:51,080 Speaker 1: my team, salary cap problems, injury concerns, longevity depth. Now 483 00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:53,840 Speaker 1: you put all those other things into the meatloaf, but 484 00:25:53,920 --> 00:26:00,000 Speaker 1: the initial board, no position is irrelevant because it seems 485 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:02,720 Speaker 1: to me like if he goes strictly by who the 486 00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:05,880 Speaker 1: best player is, you're gonna end up drafting a lot 487 00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:09,399 Speaker 1: of the deeper positions higher in the draft quite often 488 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:14,159 Speaker 1: when you know, really, I just see, you know, a 489 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:19,600 Speaker 1: quarterback being so much more important than a defensive lineman. 490 00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:22,919 Speaker 1: You know, not necessarily right now, I mean, it depends 491 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:25,159 Speaker 1: on who's there. But if you can get if you 492 00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:28,680 Speaker 1: could get the best defensive lineman versus perhaps a quarterback 493 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:31,320 Speaker 1: that's middle of the pack, I take the best defensive 494 00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:33,679 Speaker 1: lineman because he's going to be a more impactful player 495 00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:36,800 Speaker 1: based on that log. Dave Gettleman said that himself when 496 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:39,280 Speaker 1: we had a chance to talk to him in Indianapolis. 497 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:42,920 Speaker 1: He said, here's the thing. If if at number six, 498 00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:45,479 Speaker 1: he was flat out asked, you know, how could you 499 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:49,320 Speaker 1: pass a quarterback at six? You know, depending upon how 500 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:51,640 Speaker 1: you feel about his grade? And he said, well, it's simple. 501 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:54,920 Speaker 1: If the grade of the quarterback is the same as 502 00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:57,560 Speaker 1: the grade of of the other best players that we 503 00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:00,440 Speaker 1: have available, well, you know you obviously we have to 504 00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:03,359 Speaker 1: understand franchise quarterback is a big deal and you really 505 00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:07,119 Speaker 1: want to get one. But if the if the best 506 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:11,600 Speaker 1: player available or player is plural on your board are 507 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:16,040 Speaker 1: up here, and the best quarterback has a ranking that 508 00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:19,520 Speaker 1: does have quite a gap, there's no way you're touching 509 00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:22,760 Speaker 1: that quarterback. That's a big problem. You can't touch that quarterback. 510 00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:29,440 Speaker 1: You're asking for trouble. I guess the way I see 511 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:31,920 Speaker 1: it is if is if, in their opinion, if the 512 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:36,879 Speaker 1: quarterback is going to be a top fifteen ish quarterback 513 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:42,600 Speaker 1: going forward, I think that ends up trumping. Uh, you 514 00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:45,479 Speaker 1: know another guy, what do you what do you mean 515 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:50,840 Speaker 1: to a like a very if you think he's going 516 00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:54,600 Speaker 1: to be like a very desirable quarterback who, yes, like 517 00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:57,679 Speaker 1: top fifteen ish in the NFL, you know, maybe a 518 00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:00,560 Speaker 1: top tang guy. But I think you would take that quarterback. 519 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:02,600 Speaker 1: Then do those circles if you think the guys gonna 520 00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:04,600 Speaker 1: pan out to be a top ten quarterback in the NFL. 521 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:07,760 Speaker 1: I think you're absolutely gonna take the quarterbacks. Did you 522 00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:09,359 Speaker 1: get a chance to listen to the shows at all 523 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:12,720 Speaker 1: last week? From the combine, No, I understand. I'm just 524 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:16,359 Speaker 1: saying from the giants opinion, because even if there's like 525 00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:21,960 Speaker 1: a like an all pro three or four defensive event, yeah, 526 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:24,400 Speaker 1: you know, I think you still have to take the 527 00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:27,480 Speaker 1: quarterbacks who you think is gonna be starting for a 528 00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:30,960 Speaker 1: long time. Couldn't couldn't disagree with you more and what 529 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:32,800 Speaker 1: we're gonna let you go. But but I want to 530 00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:34,960 Speaker 1: give you guys a stat if you didn't listen to 531 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:37,800 Speaker 1: any of our bb K shows from Indy, there have 532 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:42,320 Speaker 1: been five quarterbacks taken in the number six overall position 533 00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:45,440 Speaker 1: since the merger of the a f L and NFL 534 00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:54,360 Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy. Okay, five, Richard Todd, Trent Dilfer, Kelly Stouffer, 535 00:28:54,840 --> 00:29:00,480 Speaker 1: Rich Campbell, and um David Klinger. Click, but that's the 536 00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:03,400 Speaker 1: sixth overall pick, sixth overall pick, which is where the 537 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:05,040 Speaker 1: Giants are. Well, No, but I'm saying if we went 538 00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:07,680 Speaker 1: back over NFL history, I think it's more conducive to 539 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:09,720 Speaker 1: look at guys that go in the top ten and 540 00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,760 Speaker 1: what the rate of success. Here's the points. No, narrowed 541 00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:15,640 Speaker 1: down to just the exact number six, but here's the point. 542 00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:22,800 Speaker 1: At number six, teams have overreached six times for a quarterback. 543 00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:25,560 Speaker 1: Each one of those guys were reached. Well, but what 544 00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:27,720 Speaker 1: I'm saying that's also over a very big span of years. 545 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:30,000 Speaker 1: Though we're talking about the right then that's the whole point. 546 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:35,000 Speaker 1: But since nineteen seventy five, quarterbacks taken in the number 547 00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:38,240 Speaker 1: six spot, and I think you could easily say every 548 00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:40,440 Speaker 1: one of those teams are sorry they drafted that guy 549 00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:45,800 Speaker 1: because they were overdrafted because we gotta get a quarterback. Well, 550 00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:47,680 Speaker 1: it's certainly not the who's who the NFL. I guess 551 00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:49,320 Speaker 1: my point is I would look at it more of 552 00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:52,600 Speaker 1: top ten quarterbacks and the success rate as opposed to 553 00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:54,480 Speaker 1: just taking a random number. It's like, if the Giants 554 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:56,560 Speaker 1: picked seven, Well, let me find every quarterback that was 555 00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:59,600 Speaker 1: taken seventh. Overall, it also depends on what the classes 556 00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:02,320 Speaker 1: were years. Some years the quarterback class is not even good. 557 00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:05,000 Speaker 1: There were no quarterbacks that went high. So there's a 558 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:06,520 Speaker 1: lot of factors to me that I don't know if 559 00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:09,480 Speaker 1: that's the most telling statistic I guess is what I'm saying. Well, 560 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:11,080 Speaker 1: I get your point, I just don't know if that 561 00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:14,600 Speaker 1: about the NFL when then answer me this, why since 562 00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:19,720 Speaker 1: nineteen seventy has there not been a truly successful quarterback 563 00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:22,040 Speaker 1: taken at the number six? The bottom line, it's a 564 00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:24,120 Speaker 1: lot of years. But here's the thing. You know, even 565 00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:26,520 Speaker 1: a blind squirrel finds a nut every once in a while. 566 00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:28,959 Speaker 1: I would say that probably more often than not, teams 567 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:30,960 Speaker 1: were moving up to one or two that year to 568 00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:33,840 Speaker 1: take quarterbacks. That would be my guess that they weren't 569 00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:37,680 Speaker 1: waiting Paul for six because they aggressively moved up. Okay, 570 00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:40,920 Speaker 1: I think that happened, but see, but see, the success 571 00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:43,840 Speaker 1: ratio is obviously better at one, two, or three than 572 00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:46,640 Speaker 1: it is at six. And that's the entire point. Yeah, 573 00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:49,400 Speaker 1: because by the time if it's the entire six. You 574 00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:52,440 Speaker 1: may be getting the third best quarterback, but once again, 575 00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:54,320 Speaker 1: it's gonna very year to year based on the depth 576 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:56,440 Speaker 1: of the class. That's all I'm saying. I don't know 577 00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:58,880 Speaker 1: what the depth of the class looked like every single 578 00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:02,480 Speaker 1: one of those years, so you need proper contact. Since 579 00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:07,160 Speaker 1: nine not one real franchise quarterback been taken a number 580 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:10,440 Speaker 1: six spot by dumb luck, you would think at least 581 00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,600 Speaker 1: somebody would have been well, NFL history shows, but it 582 00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:16,160 Speaker 1: didn't happen. NFL history also shows you the higher the 583 00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:18,560 Speaker 1: quarterback has been taken, the more likely the quarterback is 584 00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:20,880 Speaker 1: going to pan out. I mean, if I've gone through 585 00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:23,680 Speaker 1: that but the bus number one overall picks, certainly I'm 586 00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:27,960 Speaker 1: more successful then there's no question. But the bust rate 587 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,920 Speaker 1: for qbs is higher than other positions in the first round, 588 00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:34,680 Speaker 1: well because there's so much more uncertainty surrounding that position, 589 00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:37,520 Speaker 1: because of the importance of that position and teams saying 590 00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:39,120 Speaker 1: we've got to do it and we can to get 591 00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:41,920 Speaker 1: that position. But back to his question, the board is 592 00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:46,880 Speaker 1: always about pure value, and then it's up to you 593 00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:52,680 Speaker 1: to understand, Okay, not to inflate somebody just because oh, 594 00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:56,960 Speaker 1: I'm so desperate, like Dave Gettleman said, and and many 595 00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:59,360 Speaker 1: times he said it, and quite frankly, George Young used 596 00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:01,800 Speaker 1: to say the same thing. Never go into the draft 597 00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:07,120 Speaker 1: saying I must have this, because when you do, you 598 00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:13,720 Speaker 1: artificially inflate somebody's number. He's great, because you're missing that 599 00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:16,000 Speaker 1: position on your current roster. It would be a reach. 600 00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:19,360 Speaker 1: But based on what the last caller said, if you 601 00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:21,360 Speaker 1: think the guy is gonna be a top ten quarterback 602 00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:24,680 Speaker 1: in the NFL, then I said to problem. He said 603 00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:28,040 Speaker 1: that he changed until like top ten. If you go 604 00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:30,560 Speaker 1: top ten in your mindset, you go around the room 605 00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:32,120 Speaker 1: and everybody thinks this guy is gonna be a top 606 00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:34,120 Speaker 1: ten quarterback in the NFL. I'm taking him with the 607 00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:37,440 Speaker 1: sixth overall pick. That to me is enough conviction to 608 00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:39,440 Speaker 1: take him. You wouldn't you think the guy's gonna be 609 00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:41,360 Speaker 1: a top ten quarterback in the NFL of the thirty 610 00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:42,680 Speaker 1: two teams. You think he's gonna be a top ten 611 00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:45,520 Speaker 1: quarterback NFL for about a decade. You would not take 612 00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:48,480 Speaker 1: that guy if that's what your room thought. If if 613 00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:50,360 Speaker 1: my room thought that there was a Hall of Fame 614 00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:54,800 Speaker 1: pass rusher on the board, I'm taking changing you throw, 615 00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:57,320 Speaker 1: that's part of it. But that's part of I'm just 616 00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:00,600 Speaker 1: saying the quarterback is top part of it. For about 617 00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:03,360 Speaker 1: a decade in the NFL, in your mind, if I can, 618 00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:06,200 Speaker 1: if I can find a guy who's not just top ten, 619 00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:10,080 Speaker 1: but an absolute all league lock for a decade, I'm 620 00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:13,120 Speaker 1: taking the guy who's an All league lock. Well, that 621 00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:15,360 Speaker 1: would be a very interesting conversation if you've got a 622 00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:18,240 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame esque meaning your room believes that you 623 00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:21,560 Speaker 1: don't know anything for a fact at this point, Well 624 00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:24,160 Speaker 1: through this they believe that Barkley was a Hall of 625 00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:26,960 Speaker 1: Fame lock and that's why they took him. And they 626 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:29,840 Speaker 1: told all the other quarterbacks were not Heay, Barkley is 627 00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:34,960 Speaker 1: the guy. Well, but also we're talking about six Well, 628 00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:39,080 Speaker 1: but to further add to this conversation, what was the 629 00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:43,400 Speaker 1: room mindset on all of the quarterbacks. There's some chatter 630 00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:46,880 Speaker 1: that there was no conviction about all the quarterbacks, which 631 00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:48,440 Speaker 1: is what I'm getting back to. If you sit around 632 00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:51,760 Speaker 1: your room, okay, and you say Dwayne Haskins, Kyler, Murray, alright, guys, 633 00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:53,479 Speaker 1: let's go around the room, what do you think? And 634 00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:56,800 Speaker 1: you've got three guys that love Murray, Paul, You've got 635 00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:00,360 Speaker 1: four guys that love Haskins. That's not conviction. It's a 636 00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:02,360 Speaker 1: room that's across the board. So if you go back 637 00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:04,040 Speaker 1: to the room last year for all of you love 638 00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:09,160 Speaker 1: to speculate Barkley, everybody love Okay, then you went Mayfield, 639 00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:11,239 Speaker 1: darn Old, you know, alright, guys, what do we think? 640 00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:14,919 Speaker 1: And you had three here for there five there. That's 641 00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:19,399 Speaker 1: not conviction, no conviction, unanimous. Everybody across the board loves 642 00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:22,400 Speaker 1: this one guy. And I think it's logical to assume. 643 00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:25,720 Speaker 1: We don't know this, but it's logical to assume based 644 00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:30,600 Speaker 1: on the widespread opinions that these two quarterbacks by some 645 00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:33,839 Speaker 1: people there are top five, top ten guys by lots 646 00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:36,960 Speaker 1: of other people, they would be much much lower in 647 00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:39,600 Speaker 1: the first round, and there are some people who think 648 00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:45,000 Speaker 1: second round. Well, if there's that widespread opinion from such 649 00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:49,360 Speaker 1: respected and long term personnel people around the league, chances 650 00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:52,600 Speaker 1: are there's a widespread opinion about those quarterbacks in the 651 00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:56,200 Speaker 1: Giants room as well. Chances are it's a fair take. 652 00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:59,240 Speaker 1: And if that is in fact true, then you cannot 653 00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:02,440 Speaker 1: take a quorderback at sixth. And that's been my philosophy. 654 00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:04,440 Speaker 1: I have no problem with the team taking a quarterback 655 00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:08,400 Speaker 1: as long as everybody believes correct the guy. Just my 656 00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:11,359 Speaker 1: pure opinion, Baker Mayfield was my number one guy last year. 657 00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:13,839 Speaker 1: I don't think Kyler Murray or Dwayne Haskins are better 658 00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:15,960 Speaker 1: than Baker Mayfield. I will tell you that. You know, 659 00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:17,600 Speaker 1: I think the jury is out. If you want to 660 00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:20,719 Speaker 1: go down the road with Allan and rose in, you 661 00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:23,000 Speaker 1: know you can. You can have a debate there. I 662 00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:26,000 Speaker 1: don't think that's a stretch, but I don't think they're 663 00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:30,160 Speaker 1: as good as as Baker Mayfield, Kyler Murray or Dayne Haskins. 664 00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:33,280 Speaker 1: Let's head back to the phone lines at two zero one, five, 665 00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:36,279 Speaker 1: one three. Jimmy is in rose Hill. Jimmy, welcome to 666 00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:38,600 Speaker 1: the program. What do you got for us? Hey guys, 667 00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:41,720 Speaker 1: how are you all right? We'll turn your mind Poili 668 00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:43,880 Speaker 1: and this one who uh follow up a little bit 669 00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:47,719 Speaker 1: and let everybody know who's who's out there listening. Um, 670 00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:50,839 Speaker 1: you've got to get those shows from from last week. 671 00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:55,279 Speaker 1: It was just it was wonderful listening. Learned so much. 672 00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:58,359 Speaker 1: I even tweeted you and John to this effect. It 673 00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:01,400 Speaker 1: was thank you the phenomenal program. Him which is uh. 674 00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:03,879 Speaker 1: I mean every guest was you know, the next one 675 00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:07,200 Speaker 1: was better than the guy before, was just great listening. 676 00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:09,560 Speaker 1: And I think it's and I think it's fair to 677 00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:12,120 Speaker 1: say we brought you a cross section of people too, 678 00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:14,640 Speaker 1: and we try to give you as much information as 679 00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:17,200 Speaker 1: possible so that you guys could have your own opinions. 680 00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:20,759 Speaker 1: I mean, I certainly have mine. I'm not going to 681 00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:23,120 Speaker 1: to force you to have mine. I'm simply going to 682 00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:25,840 Speaker 1: be strong on my opinions. But I think the guests 683 00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:28,160 Speaker 1: certainly gave you enough information that you could come up 684 00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:32,880 Speaker 1: with something thoughts on your own. Yeah, it's a perfect segue. 685 00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:38,480 Speaker 1: I'll try to be quick with this. Um. The somebody, 686 00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:40,440 Speaker 1: I forget what was it might have been allegeds talked 687 00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:42,200 Speaker 1: about if you if you would just look at the 688 00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:45,439 Speaker 1: entire class, you know, forget position, I mean, how many 689 00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:49,000 Speaker 1: guys and his estimation were really you know, in in 690 00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:52,440 Speaker 1: the best of years, would qualify his first round picks? 691 00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:55,360 Speaker 1: I think you said fourteen. Yeah, And and can I 692 00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:58,080 Speaker 1: tell you something that just blew me away? I had 693 00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:02,719 Speaker 1: I had a long term out in Indianapolis. Tell me fifteen. 694 00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:04,560 Speaker 1: I didn't say it on the show at the top 695 00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:09,960 Speaker 1: but I had somebody, is that something? All right? So whatever? 696 00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:13,440 Speaker 1: Fourteen fifteen seventeen, I mean thirty two guys that came 697 00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:15,800 Speaker 1: in the first round and these guys, and it seemed 698 00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:18,520 Speaker 1: to be it seemed to be consistent. I mean almost 699 00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:21,160 Speaker 1: every guest you had on kind of felt the same 700 00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:25,160 Speaker 1: the same way. So with that being said, and the 701 00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:27,120 Speaker 1: other thing, the other guy, I really loved two guys. 702 00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:29,160 Speaker 1: I mean I loved them all. I loved the former 703 00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:32,239 Speaker 1: agent that you had, and what and there was the 704 00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:35,279 Speaker 1: thing and the and the scout from Green Bay. I 705 00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:38,080 Speaker 1: thought it was because and the fact that he knows Ghettoman, 706 00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:40,279 Speaker 1: I mean that that. I thought it was a wonderful Bryan. 707 00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:45,480 Speaker 1: He's with the Cowboys dot com. Yes, he was very good. Absolutely, 708 00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:48,719 Speaker 1: So my takeaway there's so much to talk about. But 709 00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:50,799 Speaker 1: my takeaway from this is we don't know what free 710 00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:52,560 Speaker 1: agency is going to be, who they're going to sign, 711 00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:55,680 Speaker 1: who's going to stay, So you really don't know you 712 00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:57,920 Speaker 1: know who they're going to pick at six and who 713 00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:00,799 Speaker 1: they're going to pick in the second round. Just names 714 00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:03,520 Speaker 1: that that I think that based on what I heard. 715 00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:09,960 Speaker 1: The kid Burns ferrell Um the offensive tackle, Taylor the 716 00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:16,520 Speaker 1: offensive tackle, um uh ford um, I think And even 717 00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:19,200 Speaker 1: that kid in the scalping Green Bay mentioned his kid Edwards, 718 00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:21,600 Speaker 1: So I don't know whether he tested. Was he out there? 719 00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:24,799 Speaker 1: The kid from wiscontin Edwards? Was Edwards? Was there? In fact, 720 00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:27,239 Speaker 1: I had an opportunity to talk to him, And I 721 00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:29,959 Speaker 1: will tell you this, if he's there at the top 722 00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:33,719 Speaker 1: of the second round and the Giants don't take the 723 00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:38,480 Speaker 1: tackle in round one, Edwards would be very serious consideration 724 00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:40,759 Speaker 1: for me in round two very soon. What if they 725 00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:42,640 Speaker 1: said what if what if the Giants signed a free 726 00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:46,280 Speaker 1: agent right tackle in the Sea, Well, that's a different story. 727 00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:48,720 Speaker 1: I'm not necessarily what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. 728 00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:50,279 Speaker 1: I don't know that. I don't know that's going to 729 00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:52,200 Speaker 1: happen though, because they don't have a whole ton of 730 00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:54,719 Speaker 1: money and there's not a lot of taps at the 731 00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:57,640 Speaker 1: right tackle free agency list too. I will say this, 732 00:38:57,719 --> 00:38:59,800 Speaker 1: they've got to get Jamal Brown back first. Well, but 733 00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:02,120 Speaker 1: here's the other thing. If the Giants though, go out 734 00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:04,759 Speaker 1: and try to beef up the pass rush and bring 735 00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:07,200 Speaker 1: in a defensive lineman or two, I still would not 736 00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:09,399 Speaker 1: rule out at number six. They could still take another 737 00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:12,720 Speaker 1: edge rusher because you can utilize depth at that position. 738 00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:14,400 Speaker 1: You can never have enough. Oh, no clue that. I 739 00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:16,520 Speaker 1: don't think it's crazy to think, no question, if they 740 00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:18,880 Speaker 1: do get an offensive lineman and free ancy do they 741 00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:20,920 Speaker 1: go in the draft. Wouldn't rule that out, but I 742 00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:24,360 Speaker 1: think it's more likely you duplicate defensive lineman than perhaps 743 00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:29,160 Speaker 1: often interesting. Well, if that's the case, to the point, 744 00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:31,800 Speaker 1: I agree with you. I like the kid Ferrell, but Boyd, 745 00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:34,040 Speaker 1: based on what you know, some of those guys that 746 00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:36,600 Speaker 1: were on last week we're talking, I went back and 747 00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:39,680 Speaker 1: visited this kid, this kid Burns, and I'm telling you, 748 00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:42,480 Speaker 1: boy the idea of having you know, like I don't 749 00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:44,399 Speaker 1: want to say he's LT, but you know that type 750 00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:47,680 Speaker 1: of presence on the field and the buzz that that created, 751 00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:53,000 Speaker 1: get me. Get me Burns at number one, and and uh, 752 00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:56,080 Speaker 1: you know, either you know Edwards or maybe the kid 753 00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:59,239 Speaker 1: could juice some offensive tackle. Even if that kid lend 754 00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:03,560 Speaker 1: strength and bef he happens to fall. Yeah, I know 755 00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:05,400 Speaker 1: he's a god. But let's say they let's say they 756 00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:08,480 Speaker 1: sign an offensive tackle in the free agency. Maybe you 757 00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:10,800 Speaker 1: move up and you and you take the edge rusher 758 00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:13,239 Speaker 1: at six, and then you make a deal, and if 759 00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:14,880 Speaker 1: you have to even move into the last the end 760 00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:16,720 Speaker 1: of the first round to get a kid like Lyndstrom, 761 00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:18,680 Speaker 1: why not. He's got to be cheaper than whatever Brown 762 00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:20,520 Speaker 1: might be. I don't know that. I mean, that's the 763 00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:22,160 Speaker 1: thing that we all have to keep in mind, is 764 00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:25,240 Speaker 1: the money aspect. Yeah, I think that's why it's important 765 00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:28,320 Speaker 1: that gentleman gets another pick in the top seventy five, 766 00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:31,040 Speaker 1: because I don't think like Windstrom, if you if you 767 00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:32,480 Speaker 1: want to get a hold of him, I don't think 768 00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:34,800 Speaker 1: he's going to be second round on their value board. 769 00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:37,840 Speaker 1: I suspend right. I don't even think he's going to 770 00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:40,400 Speaker 1: be there, frankly. But that's why, that's why we don't know. 771 00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:43,040 Speaker 1: I'm just sharing with the audience, the guys listening into 772 00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:46,920 Speaker 1: some of the names that seemed to be consistent throughout 773 00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:49,839 Speaker 1: um or. You know, most of your guests last week 774 00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:51,759 Speaker 1: when you guys got into which again once again, that 775 00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:54,120 Speaker 1: was a great radio and you know, I'll let you 776 00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:56,600 Speaker 1: guys go, but a lot of fun I enjoy. The 777 00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:01,319 Speaker 1: one thing that would concern me about Burns, he he 778 00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:08,320 Speaker 1: is very very spelt, and you know, we were talking 779 00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:10,880 Speaker 1: about how this is a guy who weighed in heavier 780 00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:16,400 Speaker 1: at the combine than anybody expected him to. I do 781 00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:20,759 Speaker 1: tend to get very queasy about guys who can be 782 00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:26,360 Speaker 1: absolutely pounded and pounded and pounded by a power offensive 783 00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:29,560 Speaker 1: line at the line of scrimmage in the run game. 784 00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:32,719 Speaker 1: Because what's the best way to take the teeth out 785 00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:36,000 Speaker 1: of a ferocious pass rusher. You run right at him 786 00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:38,879 Speaker 1: and put him on his butt and just pound him, 787 00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:42,560 Speaker 1: pound him, pound him. That's what teams who are successful 788 00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:48,080 Speaker 1: against Khalil Mack have done to reduce his effectiveness time 789 00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:53,480 Speaker 1: and time and time again. Okay, because Khalil Mack is 790 00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:56,839 Speaker 1: not as much of a power guy who stands up 791 00:41:56,880 --> 00:42:00,239 Speaker 1: against that kind of beating on a consistent basis. That's 792 00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:03,240 Speaker 1: what made lt so special, That's what made called Banks 793 00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:05,400 Speaker 1: so special. Just to name a couple of guys right 794 00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:08,840 Speaker 1: off the top, because they could handle that and still 795 00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:13,480 Speaker 1: be effective in other ways. That's what scares me about 796 00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:18,279 Speaker 1: Burns pure pass rush. Wow, I really love them. I 797 00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:21,239 Speaker 1: don't know about his ability to hold up against the run. 798 00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:24,280 Speaker 1: He was two thirty five during the course of the season, 799 00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:27,160 Speaker 1: and then he wighed in at the combine atte Just 800 00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:30,319 Speaker 1: to sell your point about how the weight has fluctuated, 801 00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:35,040 Speaker 1: and he's got great speed despite adding the weight. I 802 00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:38,560 Speaker 1: will tell you that. But to me, it's all about 803 00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:42,160 Speaker 1: the versatility of that defensive lineman because remember, you know 804 00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:44,560 Speaker 1: the Giants, as I said, I think their biggest hole 805 00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:48,640 Speaker 1: entering the off season is not just the pass rush 806 00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:51,480 Speaker 1: to compliment Olivia Vernon meaning find to get another Staughter. 807 00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:54,880 Speaker 1: It's the depth. It's even the guys behind the Vernon's 808 00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:57,960 Speaker 1: and the other Staughters. So you need guys that can 809 00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:00,399 Speaker 1: be able to produce if they come down and they 810 00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:03,439 Speaker 1: come in on third down. But you also need that versatility. 811 00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:05,520 Speaker 1: You need somebody that is going to be very good 812 00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:07,960 Speaker 1: against the run as well as getting after the quarterback, 813 00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:10,960 Speaker 1: because you could argue that they have a few specialists, 814 00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:13,480 Speaker 1: but they don't necessarily have enough guys on the roster 815 00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:16,399 Speaker 1: right now that you can consistently rely upon doing both 816 00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:18,560 Speaker 1: of those things. Can I give you a prospect that 817 00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:21,480 Speaker 1: it's good we talk about it now because the combines 818 00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:24,680 Speaker 1: going on. I still think that a Remorse has upside, 819 00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:27,239 Speaker 1: and I think Ave Remasse can be a guy who 820 00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:28,960 Speaker 1: was going to give the Giants something this year in 821 00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:31,360 Speaker 1: the past rush and he's going to give them snaps. 822 00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:35,080 Speaker 1: They did resign him after the season again, so now 823 00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:38,319 Speaker 1: this will be his third year. It's time, Okay, it's 824 00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:41,240 Speaker 1: time for him to get a real opportunity after injuries 825 00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:45,720 Speaker 1: really sidetracked this kid. But his tools are for real, 826 00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:48,520 Speaker 1: and I really hope that he gets a chance to 827 00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:51,759 Speaker 1: put it all together because I think Ave Remorse could 828 00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:55,200 Speaker 1: be a real big sleeper in that end rotation, well spring, 829 00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:58,000 Speaker 1: workouts and training camp is gonna be big, and it's 830 00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:00,319 Speaker 1: gonna be a telling factor for whether or not he's 831 00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:02,800 Speaker 1: going to have a legitimate opportunity to make the roster. Injuries, 832 00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:05,040 Speaker 1: you're right, has held him back, but also the level 833 00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:08,120 Speaker 1: of competition that's been here in camp has not necessarily 834 00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:10,799 Speaker 1: presented him a chance to overshadow the rest of the 835 00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:13,680 Speaker 1: guys in previous years. Can he stand out? That remains 836 00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:15,319 Speaker 1: to be seen. Let's head back to the phone line. 837 00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:17,960 Speaker 1: Scott is in New Mexico. Scott, Welcome to the program 838 00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:25,839 Speaker 1: with Gaffer Us. Hi guys today, dude, all right, what uh? 839 00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:30,000 Speaker 1: First of all, I want to echo the previous callers comments, Paul. 840 00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:34,760 Speaker 1: It was very inflormant, especially like the interviews with Joe, Cory, 841 00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:37,919 Speaker 1: Rick Star and teller, and that one of the things 842 00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:40,600 Speaker 1: I actually learned that I didn't know. I think Rick 843 00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:43,600 Speaker 1: had mentioned that about a third of the players UH 844 00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:47,600 Speaker 1: in the NFL or undrafted creations, which I didn't even suspect. 845 00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:51,320 Speaker 1: That was a really wild number. And also Lance, I 846 00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:54,240 Speaker 1: know you probably didn't catch it. He also said that 847 00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:59,120 Speaker 1: that number was bigger than all the fourth, fifth, sixth, 848 00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:02,680 Speaker 1: and seventh round draft picks combined in the league. Is 849 00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:07,160 Speaker 1: that nuts? Yeah, that that's a crazy statistic. But I 850 00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:10,359 Speaker 1: have a slightly different slant on the combined I know 851 00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:13,919 Speaker 1: you both of you think it's not as important as 852 00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:18,319 Speaker 1: UH some of the other things, but but I think 853 00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:22,640 Speaker 1: it actually enhances the player's ability to get drafted more 854 00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:25,319 Speaker 1: so than some other vehicles. And I wanted to cite 855 00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:29,480 Speaker 1: two examples. Rashan Garry, for example, is considered a top 856 00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:34,360 Speaker 1: draft pick, but he ran a forty I think under 857 00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:37,520 Speaker 1: four six I think was four or five nine. And 858 00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:40,200 Speaker 1: for a guy to be two and eighty pounds, which 859 00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:44,200 Speaker 1: was I sleep his weight to run that fast, that 860 00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:48,520 Speaker 1: to me would enhance his draft status immediately because it 861 00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:52,120 Speaker 1: was always already considered a great player, and even how 862 00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:54,319 Speaker 1: much more could it enhance it? Scott. I think there 863 00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:57,120 Speaker 1: are some folks, and rightfully so, who believed he could 864 00:45:57,160 --> 00:45:59,320 Speaker 1: be a top five pick. How much more is he 865 00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:01,880 Speaker 1: gonna help him? No? But what I'm saying is the 866 00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:05,160 Speaker 1: draft reaffirmed that to a point where he could be 867 00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:09,279 Speaker 1: potentially maybe a second or a third round kick uh, 868 00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:12,080 Speaker 1: you know, in the draft protocol. And I don't even 869 00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:14,879 Speaker 1: wanted to go back to last year. Second you think 870 00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:16,839 Speaker 1: he's gonna fall to the second to the third round? 871 00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:22,720 Speaker 1: You said, no, no second or third pick. I mean, 872 00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:25,320 Speaker 1: if your top five your top five, does it really 873 00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:27,680 Speaker 1: make that much difference, because really it's gonna it's gonna 874 00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:31,360 Speaker 1: come down to the flavor that that particular team wants 875 00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:36,239 Speaker 1: when they pick. It's not about not having value, right, No. 876 00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:40,000 Speaker 1: But my point is, I think just any one characteristic, 877 00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:45,480 Speaker 1: especially that really enhanced. I'm not I'm just citing him 878 00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:48,520 Speaker 1: as one example. Well, but remember another he's running also 879 00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:52,600 Speaker 1: without a helmet and pads on them, right, But still 880 00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:56,640 Speaker 1: that's pretty remarkable anyways, for for somebody's it is, I 881 00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:58,880 Speaker 1: would want him chasing me down the street, I'll tell that. 882 00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:01,319 Speaker 1: But once they can, I mean, I think I think 883 00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:04,200 Speaker 1: it's natural to assume that when you put more weight 884 00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:07,319 Speaker 1: on a body that it's going to impact then, So 885 00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:09,480 Speaker 1: I'm much more interested to see what he does on 886 00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:11,880 Speaker 1: the field during the season than him running in a 887 00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:15,240 Speaker 1: straight line in his underwear. Just no, I mean, I can't. 888 00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:17,800 Speaker 1: I can't see myself as a general manager saying, oh, 889 00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:20,479 Speaker 1: now he's gonna go up three spots in my book. 890 00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:23,280 Speaker 1: And as long as you're throwing names out in this vicinity, 891 00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:26,279 Speaker 1: Sweats another guy who is kind of bluster and a 892 00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:30,359 Speaker 1: very good forty R dash. But but Sweat also, yeah, 893 00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:35,520 Speaker 1: but Sweat also is a legitimate player. Yes, it's not 894 00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:37,319 Speaker 1: as if you needed to see the forty R dash 895 00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:40,600 Speaker 1: to get excited about Sweat. Now that's my point, Yeah ahead, Scott. No, well, 896 00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:43,400 Speaker 1: here here's my other point in regards to the combine 897 00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:47,120 Speaker 1: though last year, do you think, with all the quarterbacks 898 00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:49,359 Speaker 1: who are availed on the controversies, whether the Giants were 899 00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:52,239 Speaker 1: going to take a quarterback or the Quon Barkley if 900 00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:56,200 Speaker 1: the Quan, for example, didn't have the kind of combine 901 00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:59,640 Speaker 1: that he did have, which was outstanding it, You know, 902 00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:02,160 Speaker 1: I don't think any player had a better one. Do 903 00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:04,239 Speaker 1: you think the Giants then would have if he had 904 00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:07,280 Speaker 1: had a bad Uh didn't run as fast or didn't 905 00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:09,680 Speaker 1: have the weight reps that he had. Do you think 906 00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:12,600 Speaker 1: the Giants would have hesitated then and looked at a quarterback? 907 00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:15,239 Speaker 1: So I think the combine doesn't hance the player. I'm 908 00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:17,960 Speaker 1: not saying it's the only thing, but I think in 909 00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:23,360 Speaker 1: certain cases it does verify Barrow managers how good a 910 00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:25,800 Speaker 1: player is. If you want me to answer the question, 911 00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:29,120 Speaker 1: the answer is no. I don't think the combined would 912 00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:32,200 Speaker 1: have had any impact on Barkley at all. Dave Gettleman 913 00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:35,280 Speaker 1: laughed when and when he was talking to us in Indianapolis, 914 00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:39,120 Speaker 1: he referred back to the Barkley Uh selection and he said, 915 00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:42,160 Speaker 1: you know your girlfriend, your wife, your sister, your brother. 916 00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:44,280 Speaker 1: They could have scouted you and told you that Barkley 917 00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:47,440 Speaker 1: was gonna be what he was gonna do. I believe that, 918 00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:51,359 Speaker 1: as it turns out in retrospect, the Giants knew that 919 00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:54,160 Speaker 1: if they had a shot at Barkley, they probably knew 920 00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:56,759 Speaker 1: in November that he was going to be there pick. 921 00:48:57,080 --> 00:48:59,839 Speaker 1: So I don't think his combined performance would have had 922 00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:02,560 Speaker 1: any impact on him being drafted at number two. And 923 00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:04,680 Speaker 1: I'm with Paul, I think that they were blown away 924 00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:07,160 Speaker 1: by what they saw in the tape. And also you 925 00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:09,480 Speaker 1: know when you phrase the statement that he may have 926 00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:11,600 Speaker 1: not been as impressive in the combine, I mean, what 927 00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:13,920 Speaker 1: are we talking, Scott, We're talking about you know, a 928 00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:17,000 Speaker 1: rep heter there of a difference. I really don't think 929 00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:19,160 Speaker 1: that's going to make a major impact. So you know 930 00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:23,600 Speaker 1: that to me is minute very small on the big scale. Okay, 931 00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:28,480 Speaker 1: as far as the Giants is my last question. Uh, 932 00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:31,759 Speaker 1: it looks like I'm not sure Landon Collins is going 933 00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:35,280 Speaker 1: to be back. And what the rumors about Olivier Vernon 934 00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:40,359 Speaker 1: uh potentially being traded. Uh? Where do the Giants really 935 00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:44,200 Speaker 1: go defensively now? Because you know they were they were 936 00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:48,520 Speaker 1: of the six playoff teams or so, Uh, Chicago and 937 00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:52,359 Speaker 1: New England, the Charges, Houston, Baltimore Rams, they all had 938 00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:56,600 Speaker 1: one thing in common, which was excellent secondaries. And I 939 00:49:56,719 --> 00:50:01,440 Speaker 1: was wondering if the Giants can address that, uh, you know, properly, 940 00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:04,520 Speaker 1: or do they have to really revamp the entire secondary 941 00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:09,520 Speaker 1: because they have some weaknesses both at cornerback and at safety. 942 00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:11,520 Speaker 1: And what's the direction they're going to go with that? 943 00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:18,120 Speaker 1: And I'll take your answers off. Thank you. Two way process, 944 00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:21,440 Speaker 1: free agency and the draft. There's no question we know 945 00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:27,879 Speaker 1: that the Giants need a minimum of three significant rotational, 946 00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:32,360 Speaker 1: if not starters on defense to upgrade the unit. We 947 00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:37,040 Speaker 1: know that already. If Collins and or Vernon are gone, 948 00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:42,520 Speaker 1: well guess what, then you'll need four or five and somehow, 949 00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:48,000 Speaker 1: some way you gotta try to get those guys. Uh 950 00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:52,200 Speaker 1: how much money, I don't know, because they're not in 951 00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:55,080 Speaker 1: great cap shape, but they're probably going to have to 952 00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:57,480 Speaker 1: buy one or two and then hope they can draft 953 00:50:57,520 --> 00:51:00,480 Speaker 1: the others. I also would say that I think a 954 00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:02,839 Speaker 1: lot of those teams what they had in common, more 955 00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:05,680 Speaker 1: so than the secondary, I think the front sevens were impressive. 956 00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:07,800 Speaker 1: I don't know necessarily if I agree with the assessment 957 00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:10,879 Speaker 1: that all those postseason teams had great secondaries. I think 958 00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:13,360 Speaker 1: it was the front sevens, Paul, that helped make the 959 00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:16,560 Speaker 1: secondaries what they were. So that's why I continue to 960 00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:20,879 Speaker 1: go back when well, that's why. But I'm saying, when 961 00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:24,239 Speaker 1: I'm looking at the Giants right now, I'm not necessarily 962 00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:27,160 Speaker 1: overly concerned about the secondary. I think it's more of 963 00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:29,799 Speaker 1: a priority. As I keep emphasizing the depth around the 964 00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:33,439 Speaker 1: defensive front. You know that to me is a big thing. 965 00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:36,880 Speaker 1: It's not just having one guy. If you look at 966 00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:40,840 Speaker 1: the reps breakdown for the Giants in the last few seasons, 967 00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:44,239 Speaker 1: they don't do what happened to seasons ago. Remember when 968 00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:46,279 Speaker 1: JPP and Vernon Paul how many times did we say 969 00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:50,280 Speaker 1: on the show they played like ninety the snaps member? 970 00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:53,880 Speaker 1: And then Staggs was consistently questioned, well going into the 971 00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:56,560 Speaker 1: following season, or are you gonna do something to try 972 00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:58,439 Speaker 1: to bring down their snaps? Right? That was a whole 973 00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:01,200 Speaker 1: huge storyline, and you know that has been an issue 974 00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:04,799 Speaker 1: because you don't necessarily have confidence in sometimes the guy 975 00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:07,160 Speaker 1: that stirred and forth on the depth chart to bring 976 00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:11,240 Speaker 1: the same level of productivity. So it's not just finding 977 00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:15,560 Speaker 1: the starter, it's can we get to the level where 978 00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:19,160 Speaker 1: the Philadelphia Eagles are? Okay, let's bring it internal into 979 00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:24,719 Speaker 1: the NFC East. The Philadelphia Eagles they just resigned Brandon Graham, 980 00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:27,359 Speaker 1: which actually happened over the course of the last few days, 981 00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:29,680 Speaker 1: which I think is relevant to bring up on this program. 982 00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:32,520 Speaker 1: The Eagles and Jim Schwartz, their philosophy is we want 983 00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:35,319 Speaker 1: to have about five or six defensive lineman Paul, We're 984 00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:37,160 Speaker 1: not gonna wear down a guy, We're gonna rotate them all. 985 00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:38,680 Speaker 1: So then by the time we get to the fourth quarter, 986 00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:41,480 Speaker 1: one guy in particular is not tired. So they retained 987 00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:44,719 Speaker 1: Brandon Graham. They've got Fletcher Cox, Chris Long is still 988 00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:49,720 Speaker 1: under contract. They also have some young guys that they're grooming. 989 00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:51,640 Speaker 1: Barnett who they drafted a few years ago. He was 990 00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:53,480 Speaker 1: hurt for all of last season. So I just named 991 00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:57,600 Speaker 1: your four guys that they feel good about keeping under contract, 992 00:52:57,719 --> 00:53:00,000 Speaker 1: rotating as opposed to saying just one guy is gonna 993 00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:02,000 Speaker 1: do all the heavy lifting. That's how you have to 994 00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:05,759 Speaker 1: build a defensive front. That's what the Giants had when 995 00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:08,520 Speaker 1: they won Super Bowls. The question is how do they 996 00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:10,319 Speaker 1: get back to that. Well, you've got to do it 997 00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:12,840 Speaker 1: in a combo. You've got to do it through free agency, 998 00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:15,600 Speaker 1: but you also need to continue to add youth through 999 00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:18,640 Speaker 1: the draft. So they brought in b J. Hill last 1000 00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:22,080 Speaker 1: year through the draft and Lorenz O'Connor. So now you say, okay, 1001 00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:25,040 Speaker 1: year two, we got to bring in two more guys 1002 00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:29,319 Speaker 1: to combine with them, and now we've got four young 1003 00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:31,880 Speaker 1: prospects over the span of the last two years. You 1004 00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:35,000 Speaker 1: compliment that with free agency and then you get yourselves 1005 00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:37,600 Speaker 1: in a situation that the Philadelphia Eagles have two zero 1006 00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:41,120 Speaker 1: one one three is the telephone number. Let's head back 1007 00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:46,160 Speaker 1: to the lines. Charlie is in Portland's main Charlie, what's happening? Hey, Paul, Heyland, 1008 00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:48,600 Speaker 1: how's it good? Are you doing? Hey? Good? Hey? I 1009 00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:50,960 Speaker 1: just wanted just a quick thing on Burns. I happened 1010 00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:55,200 Speaker 1: to watch the combine. This guy is a freaky athlete. Uh, 1011 00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:57,680 Speaker 1: this dude could cover tight ends. This guy can cover 1012 00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:01,960 Speaker 1: running backs. The guy is fast, he's got long arms. Um, 1013 00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:04,920 Speaker 1: he might be the Chandler Jones for a kind of defense. 1014 00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:09,000 Speaker 1: But and he did very well. Being at two forty nine, 1015 00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:13,880 Speaker 1: he was still super fast and stupid, stupid athletic, freaky. 1016 00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:17,120 Speaker 1: So I just want to throw that in. But my 1017 00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:21,000 Speaker 1: my whole thing is is I don't understand this. How 1018 00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:23,759 Speaker 1: can we get rid of Collins? And if to me, 1019 00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:27,880 Speaker 1: they're gonna they're gonna transition tag him because they can't 1020 00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:30,759 Speaker 1: just let him walk. So what transition tag is like 1021 00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:34,080 Speaker 1: about ten million? Somebody's gonna come and offer him twelve 1022 00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:36,879 Speaker 1: and then he the Giants fault match it and he'll 1023 00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:40,439 Speaker 1: go away. So the pr problem won't be as bad 1024 00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:44,080 Speaker 1: if they just let him go. Well, I don't know 1025 00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:48,200 Speaker 1: necessarily if the thinking and no, I think he just 1026 00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:50,160 Speaker 1: dropped the mic on so that was his at that 1027 00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:53,759 Speaker 1: he dropped the phone. I'm not wasting enough time to 1028 00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:56,439 Speaker 1: actually go through his mindset, so I'm ready to move on. 1029 00:54:56,520 --> 00:55:00,280 Speaker 1: But I will piggyback off of his subject, Paul. Remember 1030 00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:01,600 Speaker 1: I just said at the beginning of the show, I'm 1031 00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:03,600 Speaker 1: a fan of the transition tag, much more so than 1032 00:55:03,640 --> 00:55:06,640 Speaker 1: the franchip franchise tag, because if a team does come 1033 00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:08,640 Speaker 1: in with a higher offer them the tag, then at 1034 00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:11,600 Speaker 1: least the Giants have something to think about. But why 1035 00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:15,600 Speaker 1: should you once again lock yourself into a situation when 1036 00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:18,880 Speaker 1: you want to pursue other free agency agents? Excuse me, 1037 00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:20,960 Speaker 1: I think the transition tag, I think gives you a 1038 00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:24,120 Speaker 1: little bit more leeway and flexibility, and I'm all for that, 1039 00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:27,399 Speaker 1: especially since free agency comes before the draft. The only 1040 00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:29,960 Speaker 1: problem with any of the tags is that that money 1041 00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:32,800 Speaker 1: has to basically go to escrow. Well, you're locked in 1042 00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:35,359 Speaker 1: its hood to that. No, there's no doubt about it. 1043 00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:39,320 Speaker 1: And and that is the one big detriment to any 1044 00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:42,480 Speaker 1: of the tags, regardless of which one you use, is 1045 00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:44,680 Speaker 1: that you've got to push that money aside, and now 1046 00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:47,120 Speaker 1: you can't touch it if other free agents are coming 1047 00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:50,240 Speaker 1: off the board. Well, but if you value the player 1048 00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:52,680 Speaker 1: and you don't get to an agreement of a long 1049 00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:56,360 Speaker 1: term deal, you have no choice. So that's what you 1050 00:55:56,400 --> 00:55:57,919 Speaker 1: have to do. But here's the other thing to keep 1051 00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:00,520 Speaker 1: very difficult game to play. It's a very a difficult 1052 00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:02,719 Speaker 1: game of dominoes that is going to take place, you know, 1053 00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:05,320 Speaker 1: the game of leverage. But keep this in mind, Paul, 1054 00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:09,040 Speaker 1: March five, which is tomorrow, is the tag deadline. Who's 1055 00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:12,080 Speaker 1: to say you give the player the tag? You could 1056 00:56:12,080 --> 00:56:13,960 Speaker 1: pull it off, well, you could rescind it. But I 1057 00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:16,080 Speaker 1: was gonna say, maybe you get the long term deal 1058 00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:18,680 Speaker 1: done before the start a free agency start a free 1059 00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:22,440 Speaker 1: agency is later. Well, so I've tried to tell people 1060 00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:26,759 Speaker 1: whether or not a player is tagged by the deadline 1061 00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:31,000 Speaker 1: does not automatically mean he's gone or he's coming back. 1062 00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:35,239 Speaker 1: It doesn't mean anything, to be perfectly frank with you. 1063 00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:39,839 Speaker 1: In the final analysis, it does give you a little 1064 00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:42,640 Speaker 1: bit of an odds swing that there's a better chance 1065 00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:45,319 Speaker 1: he's coming back or a better chance he's going, but 1066 00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:47,879 Speaker 1: it doesn't lock in for sure what the end game 1067 00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:50,600 Speaker 1: is I agree with you. It's a placeholder, Paul. That's 1068 00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:55,279 Speaker 1: what it is. You're basically saying, we're factoring him in financially, 1069 00:56:55,719 --> 00:56:58,720 Speaker 1: we don't want to lose him, so we're utilizing this tool. 1070 00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:01,440 Speaker 1: But then a variety if things can happen after that end. 1071 00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:04,520 Speaker 1: Let's bring it back internally again, Dave Gettleman when he 1072 00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:07,360 Speaker 1: was in Carolina, Paul, they gave the franchise tag to 1073 00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:11,439 Speaker 1: Josh Norman and then he ultimately rescinded the tag. So 1074 00:57:11,640 --> 00:57:15,040 Speaker 1: you can take it away. So for example, let's say 1075 00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:21,120 Speaker 1: free agency developed, Dolphins took away their transition on Vernon Well, 1076 00:57:21,120 --> 00:57:23,000 Speaker 1: and I was also gonna bring up Charles Clay was 1077 00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:25,760 Speaker 1: remember given the tag and then he was shipped to Buffalo. 1078 00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:28,600 Speaker 1: So that's another example that Dolphins have done that multiple times. 1079 00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:32,640 Speaker 1: But you could give a player the tag and then 1080 00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:35,960 Speaker 1: things could develop. In free agency, Paul, you're negotiating with 1081 00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:38,280 Speaker 1: a player and you're like, you know what, we need 1082 00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:41,200 Speaker 1: more money, we need some more flexibility. So you were 1083 00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:43,360 Speaker 1: sending the tag. This isn't working for us. We gotta 1084 00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:46,000 Speaker 1: make a move and we go after that player. It's 1085 00:57:46,040 --> 00:57:49,080 Speaker 1: an option. It's a placeholder. Simple as that, let's head 1086 00:57:49,080 --> 00:57:51,680 Speaker 1: back to the phone lines. Phil is in North Carolina. Phil, 1087 00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:55,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to the program. What do you have for us? Yes, Hi, Hi. 1088 00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:59,400 Speaker 1: You know I talked many times about my draft philosophy, 1089 00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:02,880 Speaker 1: and fortunately I agree with Pete prisco that you had, 1090 00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:05,880 Speaker 1: uh which I don't like to admit, but you know, 1091 00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:08,480 Speaker 1: not to draft the running back in the first round 1092 00:58:08,680 --> 00:58:12,920 Speaker 1: and draft quarterbacks. So I get and angst when I 1093 00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:17,080 Speaker 1: hear about drafting one this year. When I from the 1094 00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:23,160 Speaker 1: combine these guys, to me, he didn't seem um anyway 1095 00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:27,040 Speaker 1: near the accomplished group last year. By the way, Priscoe 1096 00:58:27,120 --> 00:58:29,120 Speaker 1: was the only one of our guests who said that 1097 00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:32,480 Speaker 1: he would not have taken Barkley last year. Otherwise, across 1098 00:58:32,520 --> 00:58:36,040 Speaker 1: the board, everybody was understanding that the Giants made the 1099 00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:41,920 Speaker 1: right decision. Yeah, I disagree with you, Paul so um, 1100 00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:45,200 Speaker 1: but but anyway, as far as um as far as 1101 00:58:45,640 --> 00:58:48,120 Speaker 1: they did not scene, I mean, Haskins kind of threw 1102 00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:52,600 Speaker 1: the best I thought of the lot, but uh, Browning. 1103 00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:56,920 Speaker 1: Browning was pretty pretty good, although he's really really low, 1104 00:58:57,320 --> 00:59:00,160 Speaker 1: but I thought he threw the ball kind of nice, huh. 1105 00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:03,680 Speaker 1: And the other ones did not really do it much 1106 00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:05,280 Speaker 1: for me when you compared to you know, that was 1107 00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:09,720 Speaker 1: a Donald guy, When you compared to Donald's combined, I 1108 00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:13,080 Speaker 1: thought he was you know, in Mayfield. Those two guys 1109 00:59:13,080 --> 00:59:17,120 Speaker 1: were so much more accomplished. So so, you know, besides 1110 00:59:17,240 --> 00:59:20,840 Speaker 1: this venting my answer about now we're talking about drafting 1111 00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:24,600 Speaker 1: in a poor quarterback year, I guess my my point 1112 00:59:24,680 --> 00:59:29,680 Speaker 1: is I don't want them to draft these quarterbacks this year. Uh, 1113 00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:32,520 Speaker 1: we're this far down the road, we might as well 1114 00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:36,640 Speaker 1: wait until next year. So because I just don't think 1115 00:59:36,640 --> 00:59:39,080 Speaker 1: there's value, you know, I don't. I just don't think 1116 00:59:39,080 --> 00:59:45,919 Speaker 1: they're that good. Okay, so we we now agree. I don't. 1117 00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:50,000 Speaker 1: I don't think that the line straightened down your mindset. 1118 00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:52,920 Speaker 1: And it's not wrong in terms of where you're coming from, 1119 00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:55,640 Speaker 1: but I would say that, don't sell me on the 1120 00:59:55,680 --> 00:59:58,200 Speaker 1: fact that, well, you were impressed with how Donalds worth 1121 00:59:58,280 --> 01:00:01,080 Speaker 1: the combined versus dayne Haskins. Bottom line is it's more 1122 01:00:01,080 --> 01:00:03,520 Speaker 1: about what they do during the collegiate season than them 1123 01:00:03,520 --> 01:00:07,800 Speaker 1: throwing I think I thought, I'm just saying I wasn't 1124 01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:10,920 Speaker 1: being to the selling point. Does not well, you know, 1125 01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:12,720 Speaker 1: the guys didn't look as good throwing the football at 1126 01:00:12,760 --> 01:00:15,000 Speaker 1: the combine I personally couldn't care less how they threw 1127 01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:17,080 Speaker 1: at the combine. It's more important how they threw during 1128 01:00:17,080 --> 01:00:21,160 Speaker 1: the regular season. Yeah, agreed. Yeah, you know, I'm just 1129 01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:24,400 Speaker 1: embellishing it because it's an easy observation and I get that, 1130 01:00:24,600 --> 01:00:26,400 Speaker 1: I get that, but I just I just don't know 1131 01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:30,880 Speaker 1: how much. Um you know, those guys were just much 1132 01:00:30,920 --> 01:00:34,400 Speaker 1: more accomplished, uh, last year's group than this year's group, 1133 01:00:35,120 --> 01:00:39,600 Speaker 1: and anyway than guys. But but I really appreciate great coverage. 1134 01:00:39,600 --> 01:00:42,640 Speaker 1: Thank you, John Lands and Paul great, great hard work 1135 01:00:42,720 --> 01:00:45,480 Speaker 1: last week. Thank you some appreciate thank you for sticking 1136 01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:48,320 Speaker 1: with us. Appreciate the phone call. And he shares the 1137 01:00:48,360 --> 01:00:50,959 Speaker 1: same sentiment this most which is that they wouldn't rank 1138 01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:55,120 Speaker 1: the top two quarterbacks higher than the nucleus of last 1139 01:00:55,200 --> 01:00:57,600 Speaker 1: year's group. But all I'm saying is, if you're gonna 1140 01:00:57,600 --> 01:01:00,640 Speaker 1: make a case as to why you feel Haskins and 1141 01:01:00,720 --> 01:01:04,200 Speaker 1: Murray are not as good as the rest, it's stronger. 1142 01:01:04,320 --> 01:01:07,240 Speaker 1: It holds more weight if you say during the course 1143 01:01:07,280 --> 01:01:10,080 Speaker 1: of their collegiate regular season. Remember they were only starters 1144 01:01:10,120 --> 01:01:12,560 Speaker 1: for one year, so the sample sizes are also smaller 1145 01:01:12,600 --> 01:01:14,640 Speaker 1: than some of these other guys. You know, Mayfield was 1146 01:01:14,640 --> 01:01:17,360 Speaker 1: a starter for much longer, and that to me is 1147 01:01:17,400 --> 01:01:20,080 Speaker 1: important And I want to make this one last comparison 1148 01:01:20,120 --> 01:01:22,320 Speaker 1: before we wrap up, Paul, which is related to that. 1149 01:01:23,080 --> 01:01:25,720 Speaker 1: There has been a lot of comparisons between the measurements 1150 01:01:26,320 --> 01:01:28,560 Speaker 1: of Kyler Murray now that he was measured at the 1151 01:01:28,600 --> 01:01:30,480 Speaker 1: combine to Russell Wilson. I don't know if you saw that, 1152 01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:33,439 Speaker 1: because the numbers are pretty much equivalent in terms of height, 1153 01:01:33,600 --> 01:01:36,920 Speaker 1: not hand size, but other things though are pretty much 1154 01:01:36,920 --> 01:01:39,400 Speaker 1: in the same ballpark. Russell Wilson was over over tended. 1155 01:01:39,400 --> 01:01:41,480 Speaker 1: I believe it was ten at a quarter. His hand 1156 01:01:41,520 --> 01:01:44,480 Speaker 1: size was much larger than Karler Murray's. Let me bring up, 1157 01:01:45,040 --> 01:01:48,040 Speaker 1: by the way, that actually is an important measurement because 1158 01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:50,800 Speaker 1: what they're concerned about is how you grip and hold 1159 01:01:50,840 --> 01:01:54,400 Speaker 1: the ball in the National Football League and obviously in 1160 01:01:54,440 --> 01:01:57,400 Speaker 1: some poor weather conditions as well. Remember the ball in 1161 01:01:57,480 --> 01:02:01,080 Speaker 1: college is different. It's a different ball. No, you're arms 1162 01:02:01,080 --> 01:02:04,720 Speaker 1: all right, So that that measurement actually does have a 1163 01:02:04,840 --> 01:02:07,680 Speaker 1: little bit more weight than some of these other measurements. However, 1164 01:02:07,720 --> 01:02:11,040 Speaker 1: with that being said, we've also seen big quarterbacks that 1165 01:02:11,160 --> 01:02:14,160 Speaker 1: wind up having trouble holding on to the fall have 1166 01:02:14,520 --> 01:02:19,520 Speaker 1: fumbling issues. Murray five ten, Wilson five ten, Murray two 1167 01:02:19,520 --> 01:02:23,680 Speaker 1: oh seven, Wilson two oh four. Murray's hands nine point 1168 01:02:23,720 --> 01:02:27,680 Speaker 1: five Wilson ten point to five. I told you that 1169 01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:29,800 Speaker 1: was the difference in terms of the hands. Yeah, I 1170 01:02:29,840 --> 01:02:31,720 Speaker 1: told you that that was the big difference and that 1171 01:02:31,920 --> 01:02:36,520 Speaker 1: and that is probably the biggest of all the different 1172 01:02:36,560 --> 01:02:38,800 Speaker 1: measurements that people were trying to compare on. I'm like, 1173 01:02:39,480 --> 01:02:42,120 Speaker 1: that's a big deal. That is notable, but but here's 1174 01:02:42,120 --> 01:02:45,200 Speaker 1: an unnoticeable difference that nobody wants to talk about. Kyler 1175 01:02:45,280 --> 01:02:48,120 Speaker 1: Murray one year's starter. Right, Let's go back to Russell 1176 01:02:48,120 --> 01:02:52,320 Speaker 1: Wilson four years starter and also not a first round pick. Correct, 1177 01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:54,360 Speaker 1: wasn't the first round pick. But forget where they go 1178 01:02:54,440 --> 01:02:56,680 Speaker 1: because remember it goes back to the year and the 1179 01:02:56,720 --> 01:02:59,120 Speaker 1: depth chart of the quarterback class and the other guys 1180 01:02:59,160 --> 01:03:00,920 Speaker 1: that were available. That's I don't put a great deal 1181 01:03:00,920 --> 01:03:03,240 Speaker 1: in that. What I'm saying is when I was evaluating 1182 01:03:03,280 --> 01:03:06,640 Speaker 1: Russell Wilson, when GMS and scounsel evaluating Russell Wilson, they 1183 01:03:06,640 --> 01:03:10,920 Speaker 1: were looking at NC State and Wisconsin four years of 1184 01:03:11,000 --> 01:03:13,919 Speaker 1: starting experience Paul. When they're now looking at Murray, they're 1185 01:03:13,920 --> 01:03:17,640 Speaker 1: looking at one year at Oklahoma. That's it. So that's 1186 01:03:17,640 --> 01:03:20,520 Speaker 1: what I don't want to hear, because that's a huge difference. 1187 01:03:20,880 --> 01:03:23,840 Speaker 1: You've got so much more to evaluate Russell Wilson than 1188 01:03:23,880 --> 01:03:26,320 Speaker 1: you do with Kyler Murtin. That's why I hate these 1189 01:03:26,320 --> 01:03:29,480 Speaker 1: comparisons Apples and oranges with respect to that. 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