1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,360 Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of The Clay Travis and Buck 2 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:07,720 Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Welcome in everybody to the Tuesday edition 3 00:00:07,760 --> 00:00:11,440 Speaker 1: of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show. I'm rolling 4 00:00:11,480 --> 00:00:14,680 Speaker 1: solo again today. My main man, Clay out on vacation 5 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:17,960 Speaker 1: with the family, but given the news, I can assure 6 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:20,680 Speaker 1: you he is very fired up to get back here 7 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:23,000 Speaker 1: with me talking to all of you tomorrow, and he 8 00:00:23,079 --> 00:00:26,799 Speaker 1: will be. I was just last night texting with Clay 9 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:29,400 Speaker 1: and I was saying, Oh, I'm thinking it's gonna be 10 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:33,920 Speaker 1: a pretty quiet newsday because we talk about stories what 11 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:36,120 Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about on the show at all hours. 12 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:40,960 Speaker 1: And I was finishing up some notes for my little 13 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:43,479 Speaker 1: history podcast on the Siege of Malta, which I like 14 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:45,760 Speaker 1: to do, and then I got a text from my 15 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:49,000 Speaker 1: friend and I can't I can't actually say what the 16 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:51,280 Speaker 1: text said on the air, but it's somebody I know 17 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 1: is a brilliant legal mind who follows the happenings of 18 00:00:54,480 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court very closely. There was an exclamation I 19 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 1: would say, where there was some colorful language with what 20 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:08,200 Speaker 1: the heck is this Roe v. Wade looks like it 21 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:14,560 Speaker 1: based on a draft version of a Supreme Court decision 22 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 1: Roe v. Wade looks like it is about to be overturned, 23 00:01:20,959 --> 00:01:24,200 Speaker 1: which I had anticipated was possible. I had thought, I 24 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:26,119 Speaker 1: had said on this show, I thought this was going 25 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:29,880 Speaker 1: to happen, But it wasn't supposed to be something we 26 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:33,280 Speaker 1: would know one way or the other for weeks from now, 27 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:38,480 Speaker 1: probably sometime in June. And yet the decision comes out early. 28 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:41,199 Speaker 1: It's not an official decision. There's so much here, my friends. 29 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:43,959 Speaker 1: There's the legality of what the politics of it, the 30 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 1: morality of what all this means. This is enormous in 31 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:52,680 Speaker 1: its implications for the country. We're gonna work through this 32 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 1: together today. It could have a major impact on the 33 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 1: midterm elections, could have a major impact on power in 34 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:06,080 Speaker 1: this country, which party will have it, what they do 35 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:08,840 Speaker 1: with it, And of course on life, on the fight 36 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:12,359 Speaker 1: for life first and most importantly, that has been underway 37 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:16,640 Speaker 1: from the pro life movement for decades. Now. This isn't 38 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 1: the end of that fight. Even if Roe v. Wade 39 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:20,920 Speaker 1: is overturned, as we all know, it just means that 40 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:25,399 Speaker 1: now we're on the political playing field instead of excluded 41 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 1: from it by a disastrous Supreme Court decision. Really a 42 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:35,000 Speaker 1: couple of Supreme Court decisions planned Parenthood v. Casey included 43 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 1: and Roe v. Wade. So we're going to talk to 44 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:43,119 Speaker 1: Shannon breama Fox News Supreme Supreme Court reporter and top 45 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:46,800 Speaker 1: legal analysts over there. We'll talk to her coming up 46 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 1: in a little bit about just the process issue. Here 47 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 1: a leak of what it may be arguably the biggest 48 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 1: Supreme Court decision of certainly of my lifetime. I mean, 49 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:01,799 Speaker 1: there's a few others that would be in the running, 50 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:05,040 Speaker 1: but probably the biggest one if this comes down as 51 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 1: it is, is momentous. But you see, we're caught between 52 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:15,560 Speaker 1: these different emotions right now, because on the one hand, 53 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:20,840 Speaker 1: we have a glimpse those who believe in life in 54 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 1: this country, those who believe in the right of unborn 55 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 1: babies to live, have a glimpse of a much better, brighter, 56 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:32,840 Speaker 1: more moral, ethical future for at least a lot of 57 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 1: the country. It's not going to change the law even 58 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 1: if this decision comes down in meaningful ways in places 59 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:41,760 Speaker 1: like New York where I live in California, but in 60 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 1: other states, obviously, this could very well mean that the 61 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 1: state legislatures have a free hand to write the laws 62 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 1: to legislate as they see fit on this issue to 63 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 1: protect life, to find what the exact codification would be 64 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:03,560 Speaker 1: of when an abortion would be possible or not possible 65 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:05,960 Speaker 1: at any phase except perhaps the life of the mother 66 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 1: at risk. But that's all what the legislature would be 67 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 1: left to do. But there's another huge issue. On the 68 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:16,200 Speaker 1: one hand, we see we glimpse ahead and see this 69 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:21,360 Speaker 1: future of a better or more just more decent country, 70 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:24,800 Speaker 1: of a country that is writing one of the greatest 71 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:27,400 Speaker 1: historical wrongs in fact in this country, which is the 72 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:32,280 Speaker 1: abortion regime of the last fifty years. We are all 73 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 1: on the precipice but we're not actually even at that 74 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 1: phase yet because we don't know if this will stay. 75 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:41,200 Speaker 1: And that then brings me into the politics of this. 76 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:48,119 Speaker 1: A leaked Supreme Court decision. Why did this happen, Who 77 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 1: did this and to what purpose? Well, it seems pretty 78 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 1: clear this was a leftist. There's no reason to leak 79 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:03,600 Speaker 1: this prematurely if you're somebody that is pro life, a conservative, 80 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:07,039 Speaker 1: a constitutionalist, and we can talk more about what's I 81 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 1: read the draft last night. I read the opinion five four. 82 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:17,000 Speaker 1: By the way, Justice Roberts a coward exactly as I 83 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 1: had thought he would be and actually said he would 84 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:20,520 Speaker 1: be on this show on this issue. That's why I 85 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:23,600 Speaker 1: always thought it would be five four stunning. Oh, it's 86 00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:26,520 Speaker 1: the decency. He's always trying to protect the decency of 87 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:31,160 Speaker 1: the court, really, because the court's being undermined at its 88 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:35,120 Speaker 1: foundations by the leftists that he keeps protecting from their 89 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:41,880 Speaker 1: unconstitutional desires being taken away. He keeps defending, he keeps 90 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:44,120 Speaker 1: you know, he saves Obamacare, and he was willing to 91 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:47,960 Speaker 1: save at least in part, in part, the abortion regime 92 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 1: according to this draft. But the legal analysis of this 93 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:55,560 Speaker 1: for me, which and as I said, we'll spend more 94 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:58,840 Speaker 1: time on this, but this is momentous. I mean, I 95 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:03,040 Speaker 1: have never lived in a non row, non planned parenthood 96 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:07,480 Speaker 1: VCCY America, right, I mean there there are some people 97 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:11,360 Speaker 1: who will recall, um what it was like before then, 98 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 1: but I do not remember. I've never lived in a 99 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 1: country where I didn't have leftists and including planned parenthood, 100 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:28,560 Speaker 1: running these these horrible institutions that are taking life on 101 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:32,720 Speaker 1: a daily basis for convenience. They have all these euphemisms, 102 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:35,920 Speaker 1: Oh it's for liberation, Oh it's for for equality, Oh 103 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:38,240 Speaker 1: it's for due process. They actually pretend there's a due 104 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:43,280 Speaker 1: process component to terminating a pregnancy, to killing a baby. 105 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 1: Uh So, the the legality of the legal argumentation is 106 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:54,760 Speaker 1: actually not very complicated. I mean it's you go into this, 107 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:57,880 Speaker 1: it's about it's close to a hundred pages the decision. 108 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 1: But when you go into it, you and see, yeah, 109 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:06,000 Speaker 1: here's the very basics of it. There's no constitutional right 110 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 1: to abortion. This was a huge, monstrous lie, an obvious lie. 111 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:15,240 Speaker 1: There's not a good faith case that there is a 112 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 1: constitutional right to abortion. If there is a constitutional right 113 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 1: to abortion, I have a constitutional right to be flown 114 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:25,760 Speaker 1: to Mars by the taxpayer. It is just absurd. It 115 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 1: does not make any sense. But that was what we 116 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 1: were all told, right, that's what we went to school. 117 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:36,880 Speaker 1: We learned about this. They say, Oh, Roe v. Wade 118 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:41,000 Speaker 1: established a constitutional right to abortion. This not only did 119 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:44,640 Speaker 1: violence to tens of millions of unborn babies, but this 120 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:48,320 Speaker 1: did violence to the very concept of law itself. One 121 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 1: of the ugliest decisions in the history of the Supreme Court, 122 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:56,240 Speaker 1: one of the most clearly wrongly decided in the history 123 00:07:56,360 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 1: of the Supreme Court. So the legality of it, we 124 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:01,800 Speaker 1: could spend some time I'll pull a few of the 125 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 1: excerpts for you today. I was up late last night 126 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:07,320 Speaker 1: taking notes on it. But you know, you know the 127 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:10,400 Speaker 1: analysis all of you listening across the country. It's really 128 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 1: rather clear. There is no wording of the Constitution. There 129 00:08:15,280 --> 00:08:18,680 Speaker 1: is no understanding of the English language, of English common law, 130 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:25,200 Speaker 1: of US history of basic ethics. There's no understanding that 131 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:29,520 Speaker 1: you could actually apply to our legal regime before Rov 132 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:31,240 Speaker 1: Wade and come away saying, you know what, there's a 133 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 1: constitutional right to abortion. Constitution right. This was always flimsy 134 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:42,079 Speaker 1: leftist who are honest, even leftists, some of them legal scholars, 135 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:47,040 Speaker 1: who are very in favor of abortion as a practice. 136 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:48,959 Speaker 1: They think it's important for women to be able to 137 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 1: do this. Some have been saying I even studied under 138 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 1: one in college, a leftist. I took a class with him. 139 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 1: My advisor was Professor had the Archies, who was involved 140 00:08:57,520 --> 00:09:01,679 Speaker 1: in drafting the Born Alive in Protection Act, which, for 141 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:04,600 Speaker 1: those who don't know, this is my college advisor. I 142 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:08,200 Speaker 1: think this is noteworthy just because of gives you a 143 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:13,960 Speaker 1: sense of how extreme the law post Row was. Professor 144 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:18,880 Speaker 1: Arkey's was part of the drafting of and part of 145 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:21,800 Speaker 1: pushing a bill that would say that those who survived 146 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:25,880 Speaker 1: the abortion procedure survived a baby outside the womban was 147 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:29,720 Speaker 1: now a just a baby because that did happen. The 148 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:32,400 Speaker 1: left says that never happens. They're lying that did happen, 149 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:35,280 Speaker 1: that that would be treated as a baby with full 150 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:37,800 Speaker 1: rights of a human being. That had to be passed 151 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:39,360 Speaker 1: as a law. By the way, when Obama was in 152 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:44,000 Speaker 1: the state legislature in Chicago, he opposed the state companion built. 153 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 1: That give you a sense of, you know, where a 154 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:52,880 Speaker 1: good leftist like Obama stands on those issues. But that's 155 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 1: how extreme the abortion lobby and regiment became. You've seen 156 00:09:57,679 --> 00:10:01,319 Speaker 1: even in anticipation of this, there are women who are 157 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:05,439 Speaker 1: who are walking around bragging about abortions and wearing t 158 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 1: shirts saying, you know, abortion was the best thing and 159 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 1: it saved my career. It's horrifying. I mean, it's ghoulish, 160 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:19,160 Speaker 1: and it's it's deeply wrong. It's also so deeply sad, 161 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 1: and it's sad that as a country we have been 162 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:27,200 Speaker 1: put through this on so many levels. It has all 163 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:34,200 Speaker 1: along eroded faith in the true rule of law because 164 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:37,840 Speaker 1: it was absurd, because it was outrageous that this was 165 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:42,760 Speaker 1: considered a constitutional right. We're not. We're not all imbeciles. 166 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:45,480 Speaker 1: They can do as many word games as they want, 167 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:47,360 Speaker 1: and oh, it's you know, the p numbers and the 168 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:52,040 Speaker 1: privacy and the due process clause, and it was all 169 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:59,440 Speaker 1: just dishonest lawyering from a movement that really started to 170 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:03,560 Speaker 1: embrace it. As you see the demonic and go back 171 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:09,360 Speaker 1: and see what we found from the Center for Medical 172 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:12,520 Speaker 1: Ethics and some of these these groups David de Leyden 173 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:16,280 Speaker 1: and others who have been pushing to expose what these 174 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:19,560 Speaker 1: abortion procedures are really like. So you can see, because 175 00:11:19,559 --> 00:11:23,120 Speaker 1: if you see and you know, then you change dramatically, 176 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:27,480 Speaker 1: I think, in feeling about this as a policy. But 177 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:29,160 Speaker 1: there's also another part of it. I mean, this is 178 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:32,079 Speaker 1: it's my friends, this is momentous on so many levels, 179 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:36,920 Speaker 1: but it's the part of me that wants to celebrate 180 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:42,760 Speaker 1: enormous progress. Knows we're not there yet. This could still 181 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:47,000 Speaker 1: be derailed and I do believe, but that is the 182 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:52,120 Speaker 1: purpose of the leftist who leaked this. But it also 183 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:56,120 Speaker 1: is remarkable that we're supposed to celebrate that the after 184 00:11:56,200 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 1: fifty years and tens of millions of abortions, finally, finally, 185 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:07,720 Speaker 1: constitutional sanity and basic morality and ethics have a fighting chance, 186 00:12:08,280 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 1: have a fighting chance. We've been kept off the battlefield 187 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:15,240 Speaker 1: of ideas essentially, not entirely. Obviously we got to this point, 188 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:19,520 Speaker 1: and there have been the pro life movement, but legally speaking, legislatively, 189 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:22,480 Speaker 1: hands have been tied on this. States were not allowed 190 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:25,920 Speaker 1: to legislate, States were not allowed to come up with 191 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 1: their own policies about this. They were told, sorry, law 192 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:32,200 Speaker 1: the land settled, all the land constitutional right, which of 193 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:35,680 Speaker 1: course is absurd, has always been absurd, It's a lie. 194 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 1: But now the politics of this, I've been asking on 195 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:44,200 Speaker 1: this show, as you know, Clay and I've been discussing 196 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:48,560 Speaker 1: it for a few months now. The Democrats are going 197 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:52,520 Speaker 1: to come up with something. I don't know what it is, 198 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:57,360 Speaker 1: but they will not just go quietly into their mid 199 00:12:57,520 --> 00:13:01,160 Speaker 1: term annihilation. They will not that they've been wrong on 200 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:04,559 Speaker 1: so many things, and also they were not going to 201 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:08,199 Speaker 1: go quietly on this particular issue. You see, it's now 202 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:11,120 Speaker 1: all coming together. What are they going to try to 203 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:13,800 Speaker 1: do in order to get base turnout? How are they 204 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 1: going to try to maintain their grip on power given 205 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:23,199 Speaker 1: that we're in a period of high inflation, weak economy, 206 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 1: wide open borders, high crime, all these things all traceable 207 00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:33,760 Speaker 1: too bad Democrat policymaking. So what was the plan? How 208 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:36,280 Speaker 1: are they going to make the pitch? It just didn't 209 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:39,199 Speaker 1: seem possible for them to do it based on the merits, 210 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:43,400 Speaker 1: based on results. With this leak of the Supreme Court draft, 211 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 1: you see what the Democrat strategy is for this year, 212 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 1: for twenty twenty two, and it is treachery. Treachery against 213 00:13:55,520 --> 00:14:01,400 Speaker 1: the very foundations of our legal injustice system, treachery against 214 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:04,440 Speaker 1: the basic faith that we can have that when the 215 00:14:04,520 --> 00:14:07,160 Speaker 1: system doesn't necessarily give you what you want, there are 216 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:11,120 Speaker 1: still principles in place where you respect that legal and 217 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:15,120 Speaker 1: political system. Now we see the plan is treachery, friends, 218 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:17,319 Speaker 1: and that's what you have to be ready for, because 219 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:20,520 Speaker 1: it is going to get much worse. 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If it 238 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:29,040 Speaker 1: becomes a law, and if what is written is what remains, 239 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:32,400 Speaker 1: those far beyond the concern of whether or not there 240 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:35,640 Speaker 1: is the right to choose those to other desent plays, 241 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:38,960 Speaker 1: the right to marry, the right to determine the whole 242 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:43,000 Speaker 1: runs offense because one of the issues that this Court, 243 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:45,560 Speaker 1: many of the members of the Court, a number of 244 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:48,520 Speaker 1: the members of Court have not acknowledged, is that there 245 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:51,720 Speaker 1: is a right to privacy and other conspetition. I strongly 246 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:54,200 Speaker 1: believe there is. I think the decision of vis Law 247 00:15:54,840 --> 00:15:57,840 Speaker 1: was correct over ruling. I think the decision on row 248 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:01,760 Speaker 1: is correct because there's a right to limitations on it, 249 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:08,040 Speaker 1: but it cannot be denied. That was the legal analysis 250 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 1: of the current I was gonna say, for better for worse. 251 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:14,880 Speaker 1: It's obviously for worse President of the United States. And 252 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:19,440 Speaker 1: if you want to hear what the bottom of the 253 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:25,080 Speaker 1: Syracuse class of Law school class of nineteen sixty whatever 254 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:30,080 Speaker 1: thinks about this, then you just heard it. What was 255 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:32,840 Speaker 1: that blather? You know? There are so many things that 256 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:35,760 Speaker 1: I think we could and should focus in on here. 257 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:38,560 Speaker 1: One of them is notice there. And this actually borrows 258 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:42,480 Speaker 1: from Professor Lawrence Tribe at Harvard Law School, who is 259 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:45,400 Speaker 1: a total lunatic now but used to be a smart guy. 260 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:48,040 Speaker 1: I think he's one of the top legal minds supposedly 261 00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:52,120 Speaker 1: at Harvard Law School. The verbal smokescreen. That was a 262 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:54,760 Speaker 1: phrase that he used to talk about how the abortion 263 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 1: regime has been held up. It's constant, it's everywhere, it's 264 00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:02,280 Speaker 1: you know, Joe Biden, right to choose and privacy, you know, 265 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:08,800 Speaker 1: numbers and Griswold and you know, fundamental and right. Just 266 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:13,080 Speaker 1: say it, man, what are you actually saying. People that 267 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:17,239 Speaker 1: are capable of thinking for themselves know when there is 268 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:22,040 Speaker 1: bs afoot and all of these explos Notice how you 269 00:17:22,080 --> 00:17:24,480 Speaker 1: ask somebody, well, where does the right to abortion come from? 270 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:29,120 Speaker 1: Ask fifty lawyers. You'll basically get fifty different explanations if 271 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:32,080 Speaker 1: they support it, except that they'll say at the top, 272 00:17:32,119 --> 00:17:37,720 Speaker 1: what's a constitutional right that goes away? Assuming this decision holds, which, 273 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:40,479 Speaker 1: let me just say, my friends, and I don't mean 274 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:43,119 Speaker 1: to be over dramatic here, if they flip on this, 275 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:47,040 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court is done. Our system is honestly done. 276 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:51,400 Speaker 1: I have tremendous concern about the future of the country 277 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:55,280 Speaker 1: as a polity, as a political entity that holds together, 278 00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:59,240 Speaker 1: if the Supreme Court were to flip this. So let's 279 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:01,600 Speaker 1: certainly hope they won't do that. We'll talk to Shannon 280 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:04,359 Speaker 1: Bream here coming up in a few moments, Chief legal 281 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:07,480 Speaker 1: correspondent for Fox News. Look, you buy a used car, 282 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:09,639 Speaker 1: you buy a new car, whatever, You'll love driving it, right, 283 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:11,800 Speaker 1: you take good care of it. 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That's 301 00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:02,080 Speaker 1: eight hundred three two one three six seven seven zero 302 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:10,760 Speaker 1: to save ten percent on your plan. Welcome back to 303 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:15,479 Speaker 1: play Anne Buck. Massive news as the authenticated leak of 304 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:19,440 Speaker 1: a pending Supreme Court decision on Roe v. That would 305 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:26,399 Speaker 1: overturn If the five four breakdown stands, would overturn Roe v. Wade, 306 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 1: would overturn Planned Parenthood v. Casey, what happened here in 307 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:35,160 Speaker 1: this process, and as importantly, where does it go from here? 308 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:38,000 Speaker 1: We're joined by Shannon Bream right now Fox News is 309 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 1: Supreme Court legal analyst. Shannon, Thanks so much for making 310 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:46,080 Speaker 1: some time for us today. Always up. So let's start 311 00:19:46,119 --> 00:19:50,879 Speaker 1: with how big of a breach of the system and 312 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:54,560 Speaker 1: of trust is this from within the Supreme Court? Because 313 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:58,080 Speaker 1: only a few people have access to this, it's exceptional. 314 00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:00,840 Speaker 1: I mean, it is really devastating to the integrity of 315 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:03,159 Speaker 1: the court. You know, we finally have the Chief Justice 316 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:05,440 Speaker 1: way in and you can see from his statement he 317 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:07,119 Speaker 1: wants to make clear that Discord is going to go 318 00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:10,480 Speaker 1: about its business. He very rarely puts out a statement, 319 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:14,320 Speaker 1: but he always does with the flavor of it that 320 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:16,200 Speaker 1: we're not going to be stopped from doing what we do. 321 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:18,439 Speaker 1: We're not going to be intimidated or harassed. We're going 322 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:20,359 Speaker 1: to keep on with that. But he also vowed at 323 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:22,359 Speaker 1: the end, like listen, I've asked the marshals to start 324 00:20:22,359 --> 00:20:25,240 Speaker 1: this league investigation, and I think it will be the 325 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:27,920 Speaker 1: highest priority for him to get answers on exactly how 326 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:30,680 Speaker 1: this happened. It is exceptionally unusual for this to happen 327 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:33,760 Speaker 1: in DC, where everything leaks just about except for the 328 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:38,440 Speaker 1: Supreme Court. Until last night. Now I saw the Chief 329 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:42,760 Speaker 1: Justice Roberts put out the statement calling for not just 330 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:46,120 Speaker 1: the investigation, but assigning the Marshal of the Supreme Court 331 00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:49,439 Speaker 1: to investigate this or to run an investigation of it. 332 00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:53,480 Speaker 1: Is there a you know, what could be the consequences 333 00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:57,720 Speaker 1: here for the leaker? Is there a criminal statute that's 334 00:20:57,760 --> 00:21:01,160 Speaker 1: at play or would it only be professional action, say 335 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:05,520 Speaker 1: disbarment that would be involved here if we do find 336 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:08,439 Speaker 1: out who leaked this. Gosh, I've seen a ton of 337 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:11,200 Speaker 1: discussion about this. Is there because it's such a rare, 338 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:14,320 Speaker 1: exceptional case. Is there a criminal penalty? Is this, as 339 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:16,840 Speaker 1: you said, going to be in an ethical or moral situation? 340 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:19,199 Speaker 1: I think the person's absolutely going to get fired if 341 00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:21,600 Speaker 1: they're a lawyer. I think disbarment is in their future. 342 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:24,479 Speaker 1: But there's really not a consensus on whether or not 343 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:26,520 Speaker 1: this is a crime. Now, Listen, if it was a hack, 344 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:30,000 Speaker 1: if somebody hacked into the system over there, that's a 345 00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:32,960 Speaker 1: different situation than say somebody took a hard copy and 346 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:36,400 Speaker 1: snuck it out and violated every personnel agreement they would 347 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:38,600 Speaker 1: have had over there. You know, there are those out 348 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:42,280 Speaker 1: there saying there is a possible wave of criminal liability 349 00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:44,760 Speaker 1: that could come with this based on how the documents 350 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:46,879 Speaker 1: were obtained. So I think until we get to the 351 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:49,439 Speaker 1: bottom of that, we just don't know. I think it 352 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:52,200 Speaker 1: is professional suicide for somebody to have done this, but 353 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:54,719 Speaker 1: you know, the laft is cheering. We see the tweets 354 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:56,480 Speaker 1: and people out there who are saying, like, bravo to 355 00:21:56,560 --> 00:21:59,560 Speaker 1: this person who decided to essentially burn the place down. 356 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:02,760 Speaker 1: So that makes me think I wouldn't be surprised if 357 00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:05,560 Speaker 1: this person maybe else themselves at that point and becomes 358 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:07,080 Speaker 1: sort of a hero on the last Oh, I think 359 00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:09,760 Speaker 1: they may be disbarred and then get a big contract 360 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:11,919 Speaker 1: for a book and an MSNBC deal. I mean, I 361 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:15,400 Speaker 1: think that the left will take care of this zealot 362 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:18,639 Speaker 1: and the treachery involved here will be rewarded, just maybe 363 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:20,680 Speaker 1: not for a little while. We're speaking to Shannon Bream, 364 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:26,439 Speaker 1: Fox News's chief legal analyst for the Supreme Court. Shannon, Now, 365 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:29,640 Speaker 1: where does this go? Because even trying to just discuss 366 00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:32,879 Speaker 1: the news today analyze this work through it. They're on 367 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:35,160 Speaker 1: the one hand, there's a sense and if you listen 368 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:37,439 Speaker 1: to people who work at Planned parenthod Joe Biden, the 369 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:44,400 Speaker 1: Democrats that Roe is probably gone, but it's not gone yet. Clearly, 370 00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:46,720 Speaker 1: there is the possibility that this was meant to be 371 00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:51,400 Speaker 1: pressure from the outside now with the League to try 372 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:54,080 Speaker 1: to change the five four decision in the other direction. 373 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:57,359 Speaker 1: So how does that do we know? To me, it 374 00:22:57,359 --> 00:22:59,960 Speaker 1: seems pretty obvious. I think your friend and Colleaguanny mccar 375 00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:03,480 Speaker 1: even tweeted this out. Our friend Annie McCarthy tweeted this 376 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:06,520 Speaker 1: out that they should put the decision out right away 377 00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:09,280 Speaker 1: now that letting this linger is a terrible idea. Do 378 00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:11,720 Speaker 1: we know how that's going to go? Well? I mean, 379 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:13,359 Speaker 1: I thought it was interesting the Chief set in his 380 00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:15,359 Speaker 1: statement today this will not affect the way that we 381 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:17,720 Speaker 1: do our work here at the Court. It's a very 382 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:21,359 Speaker 1: methodical process. That opinion that we now has been verified 383 00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:23,159 Speaker 1: by the Court. It was an actual draft out in 384 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:25,520 Speaker 1: early February. You know, that works its way around and 385 00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:27,600 Speaker 1: then people can write their descents or decided to write 386 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:31,240 Speaker 1: a concurrence to that. It's a very long process and 387 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:33,560 Speaker 1: in something of this import it is going to be 388 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:36,480 Speaker 1: handled very delicately. There are those who say, yeah, we 389 00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:40,160 Speaker 1: need to get this out now, because the conservative justices 390 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:42,479 Speaker 1: who are planning to sign on to or have signed 391 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:45,760 Speaker 1: on and if not changed their votes will see they 392 00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:47,639 Speaker 1: feel that there's a threat to those people right now 393 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:50,280 Speaker 1: and it's not a safe situation for them. But I 394 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:53,920 Speaker 1: also think that there's no way if the Chief thinks 395 00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:56,000 Speaker 1: this thing is, you know, not ready for prime time, 396 00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:58,680 Speaker 1: that it's going to be thrown together, patchwork and thrown out. 397 00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:01,560 Speaker 1: It's just too of a decision for that. I think 398 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:05,119 Speaker 1: probably he said, okay, it is time. Let's get these 399 00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:08,120 Speaker 1: descents and concurrences done. Clear your schedule of anything else 400 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:09,679 Speaker 1: you're working on, because this has got to get out 401 00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:12,120 Speaker 1: the door. That said he's not going to rush something 402 00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:15,000 Speaker 1: he doesn't think is a finished product. But I think 403 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:18,320 Speaker 1: we're going to get them that that opinion earlier than 404 00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:20,280 Speaker 1: we would have, which would probably have been late June. 405 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:23,679 Speaker 1: It's sort of like Justice Brier's retirement that leaked, that 406 00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:25,840 Speaker 1: sped that process up quite a bit. There's been a 407 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:27,439 Speaker 1: lot of leaks from the court this year. And you 408 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:30,159 Speaker 1: think about mask gates. When we were told that, you know, 409 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:32,639 Speaker 1: Justice Sodomyer had asked everybody to wear a mask in 410 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:34,960 Speaker 1: Justice Corsage has refused, and there was this big fight, 411 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:37,239 Speaker 1: and I quickly found out that was not true. Then 412 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:40,159 Speaker 1: we suddenly get these statements from Justices cour Such and 413 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:43,160 Speaker 1: Sodomyer and then the Chief Justice as well. So this 414 00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:44,760 Speaker 1: has not been a fun term for him or any 415 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:46,840 Speaker 1: of these justices over there, who I think all of 416 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:49,640 Speaker 1: them desperately care about the integrity of the court. Shannon, 417 00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:53,119 Speaker 1: to that end, about the integrity of the court, do 418 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:58,800 Speaker 1: you think that there is any realistic possibility that they 419 00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:02,080 Speaker 1: will somehow flip the number between now and when it's 420 00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:06,120 Speaker 1: official or is that do you think it's recognized by 421 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:09,800 Speaker 1: all within the court, all nine justices that were that 422 00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:14,000 Speaker 1: to happen, the credibility of the institution itself would be 423 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:16,720 Speaker 1: in tatters. But given the stakes with this issue, I'm 424 00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:18,960 Speaker 1: just wondering, do you think, in the back of your 425 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:21,320 Speaker 1: mind is that possible? Could we actually have a different 426 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:25,040 Speaker 1: outcome here than what the draft indicates? Well, we could 427 00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:27,080 Speaker 1: only because that could have changed in the last two 428 00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:29,399 Speaker 1: months as they send these drafts back and forth. I mean, 429 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:31,480 Speaker 1: the votes could have changed, the language of the opinion 430 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:33,879 Speaker 1: could have changed at some point, for sure, That's what 431 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:36,760 Speaker 1: happens with the drafts. But if there were five people, 432 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:39,920 Speaker 1: at least, if you think it was labeled opinion in 433 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:41,640 Speaker 1: the court, which means it was the majority, that there 434 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:44,240 Speaker 1: were five votes at some point, I think if those 435 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:47,760 Speaker 1: people are standing by where they had voted, if anything, 436 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:50,800 Speaker 1: this would toughen their resolve. Would be my guests that 437 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:53,560 Speaker 1: they don't want to any of them liberals or conservatives 438 00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:55,040 Speaker 1: over there on the Court, and they don't even like 439 00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:57,480 Speaker 1: to be classified as such. But I don't think any 440 00:25:57,520 --> 00:25:59,400 Speaker 1: of them want to look like they can be bullied 441 00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:01,320 Speaker 1: or that they can be harassed in a way that 442 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:04,680 Speaker 1: changes their vote. Think about the impact of that. So, 443 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:08,000 Speaker 1: if anything, I think you've probably solidified those who were 444 00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:10,440 Speaker 1: going to vote conservatively on this. If those five still 445 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:13,520 Speaker 1: hang together, I think after the publication of this draft, 446 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:16,040 Speaker 1: they're going to be even more resolute about doing that 447 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:18,800 Speaker 1: and putting their names on it. Speaking of Shannon Bream, 448 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:25,879 Speaker 1: Fox News is Supreme Court legal analyst Shannon, I gotta ask, 449 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:30,080 Speaker 1: do you think that there's a chance here that this 450 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:34,840 Speaker 1: could push some major political shift. I know we're kind 451 00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:36,560 Speaker 1: of stepping a little bit away from the legal side 452 00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:39,200 Speaker 1: of it, but you know, now you're hearing Joe Biden saying, well, 453 00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:44,479 Speaker 1: there should be a legislative codification of the rights in 454 00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:48,920 Speaker 1: Row and in planned parent or v. Casey, because because 455 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:52,040 Speaker 1: what do you believe the purpose was of the leak? Well, 456 00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:53,960 Speaker 1: that's the thing. If you think that the leading theory 457 00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:57,359 Speaker 1: is that this was to change the outcome or change votes, 458 00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:59,960 Speaker 1: or put public pressure on the court or specific justice, 459 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:03,480 Speaker 1: then all of that would make sense. We already have 460 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:05,920 Speaker 1: politicians out there saying, well, of course it's time to 461 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,160 Speaker 1: blow up the filibuster. We heard that in the past 462 00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:11,239 Speaker 1: about different packages and things they were trying to get 463 00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:14,760 Speaker 1: pass through the Hill. Senator Mansion and Senator Cinema were 464 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:17,000 Speaker 1: very clear they weren't on board with that. But already 465 00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:20,080 Speaker 1: those sound bites are now flowing today saying we've got 466 00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:21,680 Speaker 1: to do this, We've got to blow up the filibuster 467 00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:23,240 Speaker 1: so that we can caught if I ROW at the 468 00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:26,600 Speaker 1: federal level. I also just got to press release about 469 00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:29,479 Speaker 1: packing the quarter adding seeds to the court. 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It 497 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:06,000 Speaker 1: is my intention for the Senate to hold a vote 498 00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:10,440 Speaker 1: on legislation to codify the right to an abortion in law. 499 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:14,720 Speaker 1: This is as urgent and real as it gets. We 500 00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:17,440 Speaker 1: will vote to protect the woman's right to choose. And 501 00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:23,760 Speaker 1: every American is going to see which side every Senator stands. 502 00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:28,280 Speaker 1: Every American is going to see on which side every 503 00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:33,640 Speaker 1: Senator stands to the American people. I say this, the 504 00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:38,000 Speaker 1: elections this November will have consequences because the rights of 505 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:43,200 Speaker 1: one hundred million women are now on the ballot. That 506 00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:46,960 Speaker 1: was Chuck Schumer saying, of course, Chuck Schumer a huge 507 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:49,880 Speaker 1: proponent of abortion. I mean, if you're a Democrat politician 508 00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:55,520 Speaker 1: in oh my, in New York, in California, you have 509 00:29:55,720 --> 00:30:03,000 Speaker 1: to be. But he is telling you exactly what we 510 00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:05,479 Speaker 1: all should have expected here, which is that they're going 511 00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:09,360 Speaker 1: to try to mobilize politically. They're going to mobilize politically 512 00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:12,720 Speaker 1: against this. This will become a rallying cry for the 513 00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:15,720 Speaker 1: Democrat base going into the mid term, no question about that. Again, 514 00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:20,600 Speaker 1: all assuming that this is how the final tally comes out, 515 00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:23,440 Speaker 1: I am not one hundred percent convinced that it will. 516 00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:27,320 Speaker 1: I think that that's why the League happened in this way, 517 00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:31,920 Speaker 1: because they want to bring pressure to bear because they 518 00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:36,360 Speaker 1: think until it's done, it's not done. And they're at 519 00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:40,760 Speaker 1: some level correct in that assessment and that analysism. Alan 520 00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:44,480 Speaker 1: Dershwitz I mentioned another professor emeritus at Harvard Law School 521 00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:47,880 Speaker 1: try before. Here's Alan Dershwitz on Yeah, the leaker did 522 00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,760 Speaker 1: this to change the outcome probably. Now I have a theory, 523 00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:53,640 Speaker 1: and it's only a theory. I think this was leaked 524 00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:57,840 Speaker 1: by a liberal law clerk who is trying to change 525 00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:01,400 Speaker 1: the outcome of the case, either by putting pressure on 526 00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:05,160 Speaker 1: some of the justices to change their mind, or by 527 00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:08,320 Speaker 1: getting Congress to pack the court even before June, which 528 00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:11,640 Speaker 1: is very unlikely, or to get Congress to pass a 529 00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:16,800 Speaker 1: national right to abortion law which would apply to all 530 00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:19,560 Speaker 1: the states, and that would have to come to the 531 00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:22,600 Speaker 1: Supreme Court to see whether that could be upheld under 532 00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:25,480 Speaker 1: the Commerce clause. But I think this is real, and 533 00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:29,320 Speaker 1: I think that my theory is that it was leaked 534 00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:33,400 Speaker 1: by somebody who wants to change the outcome. By the way, 535 00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:37,920 Speaker 1: it should not be held up using the commerce clause. 536 00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:42,000 Speaker 1: The many headed hydra of the Wickered v. Filburn decision 537 00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:47,160 Speaker 1: that not only could the federal government decide what regulations 538 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:50,080 Speaker 1: were okay for wheat you would sell across state lines, 539 00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:53,200 Speaker 1: but wheat even sold within the state or used for 540 00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:56,560 Speaker 1: individual purpose, could be regulated because it would affect in 541 00:31:56,760 --> 00:32:00,920 Speaker 1: some way that interstate commerce. Therefore, they can gulate everything. 542 00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:05,960 Speaker 1: That's a quick Wickered v. Philburn rundown for you. And 543 00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:10,040 Speaker 1: then the government decides, the Democrats, the leftist, the authoritarians, oh, 544 00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:13,320 Speaker 1: we're gonna have federal laws about everything that we want. 545 00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:16,560 Speaker 1: At least, we're gonna federalize whatever, because you know, it 546 00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:21,200 Speaker 1: affects commerce in some way. The most tangential, the most 547 00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:25,240 Speaker 1: flimsy connection to interstate commerce is used as a justification 548 00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:28,560 Speaker 1: for federal overreach. It's just been growing and growing over time, 549 00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:31,440 Speaker 1: so that may be where this goes. But keep in mind, 550 00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:33,600 Speaker 1: even if they were to codify at the federal level 551 00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:38,600 Speaker 1: a right to abortion, what happens when Republicans are in 552 00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:42,680 Speaker 1: the majority m right, which we all know is probably 553 00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:47,320 Speaker 1: coming soon so imagine how that will go. Clearly, this 554 00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:49,080 Speaker 1: should be left to the States, which is what the 555 00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:55,840 Speaker 1: draft opinion says. This was Scalia a devout Catholic. This 556 00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:59,360 Speaker 1: was his an actual devout Catholic, unlike Joe Biden, who's 557 00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:04,200 Speaker 1: a phony about Catholic and Nancy Pelosi too, big proponents 558 00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:08,080 Speaker 1: in public life and as legislators, in Biden's case of 559 00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:11,959 Speaker 1: course chief of the executive branch, big proponents of abortion 560 00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:16,240 Speaker 1: for all. That's supposed to be the basis I went to, 561 00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:18,520 Speaker 1: not just Catholics going to Jesuit school growing up. That's 562 00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:21,760 Speaker 1: supposed to be the basis for excommunication. But unfortunately the 563 00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:23,920 Speaker 1: Catholic Church has been infiltrated with a lot of social 564 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,800 Speaker 1: justice warriors. So it's a conversation for another time. A 565 00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:30,600 Speaker 1: lot of leftists running around who go against church teaching 566 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:35,160 Speaker 1: and bow at the altar of the authoritarian left while 567 00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:40,560 Speaker 1: they're in their Roman caller. The reality here for us, friends, 568 00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:43,560 Speaker 1: is that this is going to get very tense and 569 00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:46,080 Speaker 1: heated no matter what, and it's tough to know whether 570 00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:50,320 Speaker 1: it will come mostly after the decision is made official, 571 00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:54,560 Speaker 1: which couldn't be held up until perhaps late June, or 572 00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:57,360 Speaker 1: if We're going to see the spasms of rage from 573 00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:01,960 Speaker 1: the left now. But this was this is a big one. 574 00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:05,680 Speaker 1: This is as big a moment for the Supreme Court 575 00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:08,279 Speaker 1: and the rule of law as any of us will 576 00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:12,360 Speaker 1: ever experience in our lifetimes. Honestly, this is an enormously 577 00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:15,480 Speaker 1: consequential decision, and it does start to answer. We'll spend 578 00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:17,239 Speaker 1: a little more time on this in the next hour. 579 00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:20,520 Speaker 1: What the Democrat playbook is here? As you know, I've 580 00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:24,040 Speaker 1: been I've been asking that and a few months ago, 581 00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:29,239 Speaker 1: because I like to have some accountability for what our 582 00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:32,879 Speaker 1: predictions are and to follow where we thought things were going, 583 00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:35,600 Speaker 1: so we could always be refining. For one thing, we've 584 00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:39,040 Speaker 1: known that the fight over this was going to be 585 00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:47,160 Speaker 1: absolutely vicious. So we've known that this would be a 586 00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:50,520 Speaker 1: mobilization point for the left for some time, and that 587 00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:55,719 Speaker 1: this would be the result of hysteria. Right, if they 588 00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:59,000 Speaker 1: actually had this problem, it would be the result of 589 00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:01,840 Speaker 1: or rather, if the have this decision, they would react 590 00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:04,279 Speaker 1: to it in this way. This was back on Okay, 591 00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:06,080 Speaker 1: So first, first, I'll start with this one with the 592 00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:08,920 Speaker 1: fight that we are going to experience here. This was 593 00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:14,200 Speaker 1: on September second, I said this of last year. The 594 00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:17,480 Speaker 1: reality here is the left is going to go absolutely 595 00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:19,600 Speaker 1: all out. I mean, there's this whole machinery of the 596 00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:24,200 Speaker 1: abortion industry that is enormously influential and powerful. It's really 597 00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:26,800 Speaker 1: the only thing as a Democrat that you have to 598 00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:29,920 Speaker 1: sign on to be a Democrat. You must be pro choice, 599 00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:32,960 Speaker 1: pro abortion. You're not. There's no room for other things. Really, 600 00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:36,200 Speaker 1: as a Democrat in today's party, are in their party, 601 00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:41,240 Speaker 1: and they're going to put a pressure campaign together against 602 00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:44,719 Speaker 1: sitting Supreme Court justices the likes of which we have 603 00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:47,200 Speaker 1: never really seen before. It will be somewhat similar to 604 00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:51,680 Speaker 1: the ferocity of the smearing Kavanaugh campaign, but it will 605 00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:54,279 Speaker 1: be much more drawn out and the stakes and their 606 00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:57,120 Speaker 1: minds will be so it'll be even higher. I said, 607 00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:58,880 Speaker 1: So that was back in September, and here we are 608 00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:02,520 Speaker 1: on where we thought this was going. This was October 609 00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:07,040 Speaker 1: twenty second of last year. They is legal that Texas 610 00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:10,759 Speaker 1: went too far, and they will then argue that there 611 00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:15,200 Speaker 1: is some new standard for what Rov Wade is implemented 612 00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:17,080 Speaker 1: in the twenty first century. That's my bad. I think 613 00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:18,839 Speaker 1: for the first time in fifty years, we could see 614 00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:20,800 Speaker 1: rogo down and I think I think that's where the 615 00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:24,000 Speaker 1: court is in terms of the makeup, because even Roberts, 616 00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:26,720 Speaker 1: Roberts will try to save it. I don't think Roberts 617 00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:30,360 Speaker 1: will be able to turns out that was correct. So 618 00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:34,560 Speaker 1: Roberts tried to save it. Roberts can't save it. Five 619 00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:39,960 Speaker 1: four row goes down unless the pressure campaign works. So yeah, 620 00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:43,719 Speaker 1: like I said, that was back in October of last year. 621 00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:47,120 Speaker 1: So we saw this coming, friends, We saw where the 622 00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:50,399 Speaker 1: fight was heading, where the decision was heading. The leak 623 00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:53,359 Speaker 1: I did not see coming. But it all makes sense 624 00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:55,760 Speaker 1: when you understand how they view this and how critical 625 00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:58,120 Speaker 1: it is the left about this. Plus more on the 626 00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:01,880 Speaker 1: fight over Twitter Free Beach, the latest on the battle 627 00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:04,800 Speaker 1: with Disney down in Florida. We've got a lot, friends, 628 00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:06,720 Speaker 1: a lot to talk about here. This is Buck Sexton. 629 00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:08,520 Speaker 1: I'll be back with you in just a few minutes. 630 00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:17,080 Speaker 1: Play Travis and Buck Sexton on the front Lines of Truth.