1 00:00:01,200 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: The volume. The Colin Cowherd Podcast brought to you by 2 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:09,720 Speaker 1: Fan Duel. It's never been easier to play fantasy on 3 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:13,000 Speaker 1: Fan Duel. Will he love basketball, golf, soccer, or any 4 00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 1: fantasy sport. There is a contest for every fan Fan 5 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:31,040 Speaker 1: Duel more ways to win. Hi, everybody, and welcome to 6 00:00:31,080 --> 00:00:36,519 Speaker 1: the Wednesday Morning Podcast. Dabbo Sweeney. I mean he's on that, 7 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:39,159 Speaker 1: He's on that list, that short list of the two 8 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:41,599 Speaker 1: or three best coaches in college football. He Wonce called 9 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:44,360 Speaker 1: me a fraud, very painful. He'll be joining us in 10 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:46,519 Speaker 1: a couple of minutes. People of the guy don't like 11 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:50,839 Speaker 1: Tim Tebow. Urban Meyers announced the Jags have signed him 12 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:53,960 Speaker 1: to a one year contract. He's a tight end. It's 13 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 1: not that I don't like Tebow, but he's selling that 14 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 1: he's selfless, and I actually think he's kind of selfish. 15 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:09,880 Speaker 1: At some point, the Mets acknowledged Sandy Alderson said this 16 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:14,520 Speaker 1: is a gimmick. Sandy Alderson admitted that running the Mets 17 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:17,120 Speaker 1: and I don't know if this is a gimmick, but 18 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 1: if somebody would have called me and offered me a 19 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:23,759 Speaker 1: one year contract for the Jags, knowing I had been 20 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:26,880 Speaker 1: out of the league for eight years, knowing the last 21 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:29,200 Speaker 1: two teams I was on couldn't figure out how to 22 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:32,920 Speaker 1: use me. Knowing I was going to try and to 23 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:36,920 Speaker 1: learn a position in the National Football League, I would 24 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:41,880 Speaker 1: have passed. And I can sometimes be with my career selfish. 25 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:45,759 Speaker 1: I think Tebow can too. It's not all on the Jags. 26 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 1: In urban Meyer, Tim Tebow's not dumb. He knows he's 27 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:54,760 Speaker 1: potentially taking a job from somebody, like we knew in 28 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 1: Major League Baseball, maybe he'd be a quick September call up, 29 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 1: but nobody really reasonably thought Tebow couldn't make the major leagues. 30 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:08,880 Speaker 1: Therefore he wouldn't take somebody's job. But he will sell 31 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:12,320 Speaker 1: tickets in Jacksonville, and it's a franchise that has struggled 32 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 1: to fill seats. And urban Meyer does consider him like 33 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:21,239 Speaker 1: a son. If my dad would have run a company 34 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:24,120 Speaker 1: and try to elevate me out of a junior college 35 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:28,399 Speaker 1: to a vice president, and I knew deep down I 36 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:32,320 Speaker 1: wasn't the most qualified and somebody else was more qualified, 37 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 1: but I was my dad's son, I would turn the 38 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 1: job down because I would ultimately want to earn the position, 39 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:44,960 Speaker 1: and ultimately, my loyalty to my father would be higher 40 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:50,080 Speaker 1: the best person, not your kid. Does Tim Tebow really 41 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:54,080 Speaker 1: think he'll be a valuable member of the Jags. He's 42 00:02:54,160 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 1: a six two four seven forty tight end. At some 43 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:06,200 Speaker 1: point of responsibility is on Tebow to acknowledge. Listen, Yes, 44 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 1: I'd sell tickets, Yes, Urban would always do me a solid, 45 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:14,240 Speaker 1: But I know I'm taking a job from somebody who 46 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 1: needs it more and who's better equipped to help the 47 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 1: Jags win. Don't sell that you're self lists when you 48 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:28,680 Speaker 1: also have a little selfish Well, he's a head football 49 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 1: coach at Clemson. He is a two time national champ 50 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:35,600 Speaker 1: in a seven time ACC champ. He played at Alabama 51 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 1: and then he went to Clemson. And it's funny about 52 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 1: college sports. John Wooden got a job at UCLA in 53 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 1: the late forties. He didn't win a title until almost 54 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 1: the mid sixties. John Wooden would have been fired four 55 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 1: times today if he was a college basketball coach. And 56 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 1: Dabo Sweeney now joins me. And you know, Dabo, what's 57 00:03:57,520 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 1: funny about that is tend to defend coaches all the 58 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 1: time and say, you know, we we've we've entered a 59 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 1: time dabble, when it's ridiculous if you don't show signs 60 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 1: of winning by year two, the AD is already calling 61 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 1: Jimmy Sexton, Hey give me another who's the next coach 62 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 1: I gotta hire? You look at it today, it took 63 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 1: you three or four years to get your recruiting really rolling, 64 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:26,159 Speaker 1: to to really put in your culture. Do you think 65 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 1: in the world we live in today, if you were 66 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:30,640 Speaker 1: in the SEC trying to beat Saban, you'd you'd be 67 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 1: able to get to a fourth year today. Uh, you know, 68 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:37,040 Speaker 1: that's a good question, And I don't know, probably not, um, 69 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:40,800 Speaker 1: you know, fortunately, I mean for me, I mean, we 70 00:04:40,839 --> 00:04:43,839 Speaker 1: won the league my third year, and you know, but 71 00:04:43,839 --> 00:04:46,040 Speaker 1: but even though we won the league, we got destroyed 72 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:48,520 Speaker 1: in the bowl game and it just you know, we 73 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:51,480 Speaker 1: we had and then we lost our rival and so 74 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 1: we you know, the first year we won the Division 75 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 1: one nine. The second year we won six games, and 76 00:04:56,760 --> 00:05:01,599 Speaker 1: that was that was, you know good. But then the 77 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:03,800 Speaker 1: next year we come back and won ten games, won 78 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 1: the league for the first time in twenty years. So 79 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:09,680 Speaker 1: that was that was big because we would have had 80 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:11,600 Speaker 1: back to back six games. I'm not sure I'd have 81 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:13,800 Speaker 1: got a fourth year Simpson, to be honest with you, 82 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 1: But so you know, but that that second year with 83 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:19,840 Speaker 1: the six wins, we lost five games by six points 84 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:21,600 Speaker 1: or less, two of them in overtime, one of those 85 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 1: to Auburn and cam Newton. And I'm thankful that I 86 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 1: had an ad that believed in me and Terry down 87 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:31,240 Speaker 1: Phillips and and in fact a true story. The second year, 88 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 1: we won six games, and we lost to South Carolina, 89 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:37,920 Speaker 1: and it was a bad day. And I remember coming 90 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:39,880 Speaker 1: up did the little press conference and I came out 91 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 1: and I was heading back to my office and my 92 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:44,400 Speaker 1: wife met me outside and she just had this horrible 93 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:48,239 Speaker 1: look on her face, and she was like, she said, maybe, 94 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 1: I'm so sorry, and she said, you know, mister Phillips 95 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:53,800 Speaker 1: is in your office. And I just looked at her, 96 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 1: and you know, I said, well, hey, we did the 97 00:05:56,480 --> 00:05:58,560 Speaker 1: best we could. I mean, I really thought I was 98 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 1: about to be fired. I mean, this is my second season. 99 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:06,400 Speaker 1: It's not like I was some sexy hire and so, 100 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:09,720 Speaker 1: you know, we just won six games, we just lost 101 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 1: to South Carolina. It's it's not good. And so I'm 102 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:15,479 Speaker 1: thinking I'm about to be fired. And I knew he 103 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:17,280 Speaker 1: was under a lot of pressure. And I walk in, 104 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 1: I'll come around the corner and I look in the 105 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:21,240 Speaker 1: doors kind of cracking. Terry Don sitting in there on 106 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:24,000 Speaker 1: the couch and I walk in there and it's dark. 107 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 1: He didn't have the light on, and I walk in. 108 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:27,840 Speaker 1: He just says, hey, come over here and sit down. 109 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 1: And I'm I'm fully prepared and you know, to tell 110 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:32,919 Speaker 1: him thank you for the opportunity, and hey, you know, 111 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:35,280 Speaker 1: sorry I let you down and it was just a 112 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 1: very bad moment and and you know, way, I sit 113 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:41,160 Speaker 1: down and he looked at me and he said, and 114 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 1: this was a turning point for me too, emotionally and 115 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:47,480 Speaker 1: just you name it, and he said, he said, dab 116 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:49,840 Speaker 1: will listen to me. He said, I know this is 117 00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:52,280 Speaker 1: a tough game. And he said, look, there's gonna be 118 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 1: a lot of criticism for me and for you. He goes, 119 00:06:55,279 --> 00:06:57,279 Speaker 1: but here's what I want you to know. And he 120 00:06:57,320 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 1: looked at me then night and he said, I believe 121 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:01,560 Speaker 1: in you more right now than when I did when 122 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:03,360 Speaker 1: I hired you. And he said, you're gonna be a 123 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:06,880 Speaker 1: great head football coach. And he said, he goes, I 124 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 1: wish want you to know that I got you back. 125 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 1: He said, if it don't work, you can help me 126 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:14,880 Speaker 1: pack and I'll come help you pack. Said, I just 127 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:17,720 Speaker 1: want you to know, I think you are a great 128 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:19,920 Speaker 1: coach and you're gonna do You're gonna do a great 129 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:22,840 Speaker 1: and he got up and left and and so so 130 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:25,240 Speaker 1: my mindset was in one and and I was just 131 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 1: like wow. And from that point on, like I said, 132 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:30,400 Speaker 1: the next year, we've had ten ten plus win seasons 133 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:33,440 Speaker 1: in a road only US in Alabama. And you know, 134 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:37,200 Speaker 1: but literally from that meeting forward, you know, just to 135 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:40,640 Speaker 1: know that, you know, this guy was truly all in 136 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:44,880 Speaker 1: and believed in me with all his heart. And so 137 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:48,239 Speaker 1: I'm thankful because not everybody has a Terry Don Phillips 138 00:07:48,400 --> 00:07:51,160 Speaker 1: as an ad and I'm thankful that I had a 139 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:54,200 Speaker 1: guy like him that that believed in me and saw 140 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 1: something in me, gave me a chance to be the 141 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:58,640 Speaker 1: interim and then a chance to be the head coach. 142 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 1: Boy that sounded like a scene from good Fellas or Sopranos. 143 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 1: There for a second, I'm gonna get whacked. Um, you 144 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 1: know it is it harder. I read a business book 145 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 1: dabbled not long ago, and a CEO would remark, it's 146 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:21,400 Speaker 1: harder stand there than getting there. Your thoughts on that, Yeah, 147 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:24,880 Speaker 1: I think they're you know, there's it's they're both both hard. 148 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:26,920 Speaker 1: But I don't, I just I think it's a mentality. 149 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:29,360 Speaker 1: Like for me, I don't, I don't ever look at 150 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:33,679 Speaker 1: it as staying there. Like to me, I'm always building, 151 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:37,199 Speaker 1: you know. I think I try to have that mentality 152 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:40,000 Speaker 1: every year. I'm I got an NBA. I was a 153 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:42,440 Speaker 1: business school, and one of the things they teach you, 154 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:45,400 Speaker 1: and you know the life cycle of of anything, a 155 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 1: business or whatever. You know, you got the birth, you've 156 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 1: got growth, you've got plateau, you got declined, you got death. 157 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:56,320 Speaker 1: All right, So so the key is never plateau. And 158 00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:58,400 Speaker 1: so how do you do that? Well, you gotta always 159 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 1: you know, recommit, refocus, restart, recharge, reinvest all those things. 160 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:07,679 Speaker 1: And that's just kind of how I've done it every year. 161 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:10,079 Speaker 1: I mean, we start over every year as if we 162 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:13,480 Speaker 1: all just landed from a planet and and we don't 163 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:17,319 Speaker 1: even know each other, and reinstall the program, reinstall everything 164 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 1: we do. Why we do it that way. I do 165 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 1: the same thing with the team, you know, because I 166 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:25,440 Speaker 1: just think that you know, if you don't, complacency sets in. 167 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:27,760 Speaker 1: I mean, and and so we have a saying around 168 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:31,520 Speaker 1: here that that that uh, you know, greatness is always 169 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 1: under construction, all right, like like like like our interstate 170 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:37,920 Speaker 1: out here, it's you know, I eighty five. I don't 171 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 1: know how it is wherever you are, but I've been 172 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 1: here eighteen years and it's it's never not been under 173 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:47,719 Speaker 1: constructive mentality that you have to have, and I think 174 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 1: anybody who's had consistent because if you're going to be 175 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:53,600 Speaker 1: great at anything, and this is something I remember when 176 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:56,600 Speaker 1: back in eleven we won that the ten games for 177 00:09:56,600 --> 00:09:58,200 Speaker 1: the first time in twenty years, you would have thought, 178 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:00,400 Speaker 1: I mean, it was like, oh my god, in ten 179 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 1: games and everybody was all and I'm like, listen, now, 180 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:05,839 Speaker 1: you gotta understand. I spent thirteen years at Alabama, so 181 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:08,640 Speaker 1: I had I had a mentality when I came to Clemson. 182 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:11,199 Speaker 1: A thirteen years at Alabama. Now I'm entering my nineteenth 183 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:14,920 Speaker 1: at Clemson. My thirteenth is the head coach. And I 184 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:16,520 Speaker 1: mean that really wasn't that big a deal to me, 185 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:20,079 Speaker 1: you know, And my focus was, Okay, that's great, but 186 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 1: let's go put three, four or five six years of 187 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 1: these in a row together, because we're never going to 188 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:29,800 Speaker 1: be considered great if we don't do something really really well. 189 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:32,360 Speaker 1: For a long period of time, and that was really 190 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:35,800 Speaker 1: my goal from day one was to build consistency. Consistency 191 00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:38,680 Speaker 1: on the field, consistency off the field. And you know, 192 00:10:38,760 --> 00:10:40,559 Speaker 1: nine out of the last ten years, you know, we 193 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:44,439 Speaker 1: top ten academically, Clemson Duke in Northwestern the last ten 194 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:46,840 Speaker 1: years were second in the country and wins, you know, 195 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:49,280 Speaker 1: second in draft pick. Since I've been a head coach, 196 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 1: I mean, so we've built a model of consistency and 197 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:54,599 Speaker 1: we've done it our way. We've done it in a 198 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:57,600 Speaker 1: consistent way. And that's really what I'm more proud of 199 00:10:57,679 --> 00:11:00,640 Speaker 1: than anything is is the consistency. I had two hundred 200 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:02,880 Speaker 1: and eighty nine seniors, two hundred and eighty four graduates, 201 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:05,280 Speaker 1: so there's been a lot of consistency in what we do. 202 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:07,720 Speaker 1: But I just don't ever look at that. I don't 203 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:10,080 Speaker 1: ever feel look, you know, to me, when that's your mentality, 204 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:12,800 Speaker 1: it's like you've arrived, and so now how do we 205 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:15,160 Speaker 1: stay here? Oh? We don't ever stay there? So, like 206 00:11:15,559 --> 00:11:17,920 Speaker 1: you know, it's like climbing a mountain all over every year. 207 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:19,720 Speaker 1: You don't get to stay on top of the mountain. 208 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:22,680 Speaker 1: Every year, we're back at the bottom. You know, I 209 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:26,800 Speaker 1: went and looked at your background. I had a discussion 210 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:32,640 Speaker 1: with my sister one time. My dad was a doctor, divorced, 211 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:36,280 Speaker 1: son of divorce. My mom British, moved over to the 212 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:38,800 Speaker 1: States at fourteen years old, gotten a boat by herself, 213 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:42,560 Speaker 1: ended up running the school lunch service program. But it 214 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:44,880 Speaker 1: was a little bit different. It was isolated, it was rural. 215 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 1: I went through a lot of divorces. My dad was 216 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:51,760 Speaker 1: an alcoholic, although it wasn't to me very noticeable until 217 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:56,400 Speaker 1: he retired. Never abusive, but chaotic. And I read your 218 00:11:56,440 --> 00:11:59,240 Speaker 1: background and it was not a white picket fence background. 219 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:02,880 Speaker 1: And I had a discussion with my sister one time 220 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 1: about this, and I said, you know, you can kind 221 00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:07,440 Speaker 1: of look at it two ways. I said, I could 222 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:09,880 Speaker 1: look at it and be a victim, or I could 223 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:12,120 Speaker 1: look at it and think, you know, I kind of 224 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:16,200 Speaker 1: had to be resilient emotionally, and I've gone to enough therapy. 225 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 1: I haven't gone in a while. But you didn't have 226 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:22,880 Speaker 1: your life dabbl wasn't always easy. I read your background, 227 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 1: and I wonder if that there's a resilience to you 228 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:30,560 Speaker 1: that have you Maybe you did appreciate it in the moment. 229 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:34,080 Speaker 1: I didn't, but have you looked back and gone, you know, 230 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 1: I'm pretty tough. I'm pretty resilient, and some of that 231 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:40,080 Speaker 1: comes from a little bit of chaos when you're younger. 232 00:12:40,920 --> 00:12:44,599 Speaker 1: There's no question about that, you know, I mean, and 233 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:47,520 Speaker 1: that that really resonated with me big time when I 234 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:49,200 Speaker 1: became a coach, because I didn't go to college to 235 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:53,800 Speaker 1: be a coach. And and you know, I guess if 236 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:57,079 Speaker 1: I was growing up today, I would be considered an 237 00:12:57,120 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 1: at risk kid. You know how the world labels people. 238 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:02,240 Speaker 1: You know, I would be at risk. I mean, so 239 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:05,920 Speaker 1: no education in my family. My parents were married at eighteen. 240 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:08,720 Speaker 1: My dad was just an appliant service man. My mom, 241 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:12,560 Speaker 1: you know, worked at uh kmart, the mall, cut hair, 242 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:16,120 Speaker 1: did whatever she could. Um, you know, I'm the baby 243 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:20,400 Speaker 1: of three boys. Nobody in my family had been to college. Parents, grandparents, 244 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:23,000 Speaker 1: great grandparents, great great I didn't even know any of 245 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 1: my great grandparents. So, but nobody had been no education, 246 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:30,600 Speaker 1: you know, just hard working people. And um, you know, 247 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:33,480 Speaker 1: you went to work in our family, that's just it's 248 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:36,760 Speaker 1: just what you did. And you know, my father was 249 00:13:36,800 --> 00:13:40,200 Speaker 1: an alcoholic, a good man, a great heart, but had 250 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:42,760 Speaker 1: a lot of demons and he was he was a 251 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:46,720 Speaker 1: mean drunk when I mean, he was not anybody wanted 252 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:50,119 Speaker 1: to be around. And you know, violence in the home, divorce, 253 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:54,160 Speaker 1: uh you know, living here, living there, moving all over 254 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:55,800 Speaker 1: the place. I mean, so you know I would I 255 00:13:55,800 --> 00:13:59,640 Speaker 1: would be considering an at risk kid for sure. Um 256 00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:05,440 Speaker 1: and uh you know, and you know what uh I was. 257 00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:08,520 Speaker 1: I was an Honor Society student. I was a three 258 00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 1: sport guy. And you know, athletics was huge for me. 259 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:18,640 Speaker 1: My teachers, my coaches, you know, small town. My now wife. 260 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:20,800 Speaker 1: My wife and I have been together since the first grade. 261 00:14:20,800 --> 00:14:23,200 Speaker 1: We started going together in sixth grade and dated in 262 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:26,040 Speaker 1: high school and all through college. And and her family 263 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:30,040 Speaker 1: was the exact opposite. You know, she all everybody her 264 00:14:30,080 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 1: family's a PhD, a masters, teachers, you know all that, 265 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:36,280 Speaker 1: and and uh, you know, so I just had some 266 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:40,960 Speaker 1: I had a lot of people that really, uh you know, 267 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:44,480 Speaker 1: just helped me. I mean my faith. You know, I 268 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 1: got led to the Lord when I was sixteen years old. 269 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:51,480 Speaker 1: That was a huge, uh turning point for me. And 270 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:54,960 Speaker 1: just creating hope and creating belief in something more than 271 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:57,360 Speaker 1: what I had. And and and you're right, I mean 272 00:14:57,400 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 1: I think at the end of the day, you know, 273 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:00,880 Speaker 1: I think and even to this day, I mean when 274 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:03,440 Speaker 1: I meet with players, I mean sometimes guys will come 275 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:05,000 Speaker 1: in and be like, well, you don't understand, you know, 276 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:07,120 Speaker 1: I mean my dad this, my mom that, and I'm like, no, 277 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:10,000 Speaker 1: I do understand. And here's what I do. Know. You're 278 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:11,880 Speaker 1: either going to be part of the solution or part 279 00:15:11,920 --> 00:15:14,240 Speaker 1: of the problem. You're either going to create the change, 280 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:17,600 Speaker 1: all right, or you're gonna or you're gonna continue to 281 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:20,480 Speaker 1: have the same. So if that's what's been happening in 282 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:24,680 Speaker 1: my family, somewhere along the line, somebody's got to change that. 283 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:28,800 Speaker 1: And for me, all I knew was that if I 284 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:31,600 Speaker 1: got a college education, I was going to have a 285 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:33,760 Speaker 1: chance to be successful in life. That's all I knew. 286 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:36,640 Speaker 1: And that's what I believed in. And you know, I 287 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:38,480 Speaker 1: could have played some I wanted to go to the 288 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 1: University of Alabama, That's all I knew. And I wanted 289 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:43,320 Speaker 1: to see if I could play ball. And I wanted 290 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:45,600 Speaker 1: to be a doctor. I wanted to be a pediatrician. 291 00:15:45,920 --> 00:15:48,600 Speaker 1: I was a pre med major for three years major 292 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:52,960 Speaker 1: and I just you know, next thing, you know, ended 293 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:55,680 Speaker 1: up getting my degree in hospital administration. Once I realized 294 00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:57,320 Speaker 1: I wasn't gonna be able to go to med school 295 00:15:57,320 --> 00:16:00,480 Speaker 1: for ten more years. And and then I and when 296 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:03,720 Speaker 1: I finished playing, I've made the team, got a scholarship 297 00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 1: better than three years, won a national championship. And when 298 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:09,400 Speaker 1: I finished playing, Coach Stallins I went out to spring practice. 299 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:13,640 Speaker 1: I was graduating May of ninety three and getting ready 300 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:16,520 Speaker 1: to start a job and getting married, and Coach Stallings 301 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:18,440 Speaker 1: was like, hey, you need to get a master's degree. 302 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:20,640 Speaker 1: And I'm like, Coach, I don't want. I'm done with school. 303 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:22,680 Speaker 1: I'm going to work. And he's like, I said, you 304 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 1: need a master's degree and you start in July. And 305 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:29,360 Speaker 1: so the next thing I know, I'm a grad assistant 306 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:32,600 Speaker 1: for coach Stallins and Homer Smith and and you know 307 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:37,200 Speaker 1: Woodie mccorby and those guys, and you know, within a 308 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:39,280 Speaker 1: week of being a GA, I was it was like 309 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:42,760 Speaker 1: clarity of my life, like like wow, like it just 310 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:45,400 Speaker 1: all of a sudden. I just realized that God had 311 00:16:45,400 --> 00:16:50,400 Speaker 1: been equipping me to do this job. And I made 312 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:51,720 Speaker 1: a decision this is what I saw. I went on 313 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 1: and got my NBA and I'm ready to coach. And 314 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:56,760 Speaker 1: then Coach Stallins hired me full time at twenty six, 315 00:16:56,840 --> 00:16:59,520 Speaker 1: and so I stayed on there and and actually got 316 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:01,400 Speaker 1: out of coach for two years and oh one and 317 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:04,280 Speaker 1: O two, and then I came to Clemson in February 318 00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:06,520 Speaker 1: of O three, thinking I'd be here a year or two, 319 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:10,440 Speaker 1: and now I'm starting my nineteenth season and and my 320 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:12,680 Speaker 1: thirteenth is the head coach. So just like I was 321 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:15,720 Speaker 1: an at risk kid, and I was an at risk 322 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:18,960 Speaker 1: higher as a football coach here. I mean, it's one 323 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:21,639 Speaker 1: of my you know, and I wake up every day 324 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:23,240 Speaker 1: I see the same thing I mean to this. I 325 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:26,240 Speaker 1: mean literally there's a graphic. I still I have that graphic. 326 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:31,280 Speaker 1: ESPN had me listed as a D plus hire and 327 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:33,760 Speaker 1: and and I'll never forget that. I mean, I still 328 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:36,280 Speaker 1: got it. I got it printed out. Man. It's like 329 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:38,640 Speaker 1: I was a D It was the Hires of two 330 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:41,239 Speaker 1: thousand and nine. I was a D plus hire and 331 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:45,399 Speaker 1: they basically said Clemson is crazy. And you know, so 332 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:48,520 Speaker 1: I'm thankful for the plus. I can tell you that. 333 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:51,200 Speaker 1: But you know, I was an at Shire. But those 334 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:54,119 Speaker 1: same things that made me successful, you know, And and 335 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:56,680 Speaker 1: what I learned in my life is to not let 336 00:17:56,720 --> 00:18:01,960 Speaker 1: other people, you know, the herman my worth and I 337 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:04,280 Speaker 1: learned how to live inside out and on outside in. 338 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:07,440 Speaker 1: And that's just how I've always gone about my business. 339 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:10,359 Speaker 1: And you know, every day that I get up, I 340 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:14,240 Speaker 1: don't I don't see what you know now people see 341 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:17,560 Speaker 1: this a successful coach and and all these things, and 342 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:20,639 Speaker 1: what people reading the paper. 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Well, you had 360 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:26,639 Speaker 1: me as a DP plus sportscaster a few years ago. 361 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:29,959 Speaker 1: Now we're on good Now we're on good ground, and 362 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:32,600 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, we left no doubt 363 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:38,040 Speaker 1: tonight you know we wanted to play Alabama because now 364 00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:40,679 Speaker 1: y'all got to change your stories. You gotta change the narrative. 365 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:44,840 Speaker 1: Y'all gotta mix it up. You know the guy that 366 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:48,919 Speaker 1: called us a fraud, ask Alabama for a fraud? Was 367 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:52,080 Speaker 1: it named Colin Coward? Asking All'm never met him, don't 368 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:54,399 Speaker 1: know him. Ask him if if we're Alabama for a fraud, 369 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:57,280 Speaker 1: Ask Ohio state if for a fraud, Ask Oklahoma if 370 00:19:57,280 --> 00:20:03,200 Speaker 1: for a fraud? The only fraud is that guy because 371 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:06,680 Speaker 1: he didn't do his homework. I hope y'all print that. Yeah, 372 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:09,520 Speaker 1: you know I I I didn't. I did not know 373 00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:12,119 Speaker 1: who you were. To be honest with you, I really didn't. 374 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:15,359 Speaker 1: In fact, you That's how I found out who you were. 375 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:19,480 Speaker 1: Uh was somebody, somebody sent me your clip, and I've listened. 376 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:22,520 Speaker 1: I'm thankful for you. Somebody sent me your clip. I 377 00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:24,800 Speaker 1: think you called us a fraud or something, and I'm like, 378 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:26,600 Speaker 1: who the heck is this guy. I didn't know it was, 379 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:28,000 Speaker 1: but I had. I had a lot of fun with 380 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:30,720 Speaker 1: our team. Uh, and it was great. It was one 381 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:33,080 Speaker 1: of those cool moments. And we were getting ready to 382 00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:36,919 Speaker 1: play Alabama and and I and I don't know, somebody 383 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:38,520 Speaker 1: had gotten me this clip and I was like, this 384 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:40,760 Speaker 1: is perfect. Save that and I'm like, who is this? 385 00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:44,720 Speaker 1: And uh and so, uh, you know, I don't do 386 00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:46,840 Speaker 1: social media. I don't have all that stuff. I don't 387 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:49,480 Speaker 1: I don't I've never done that stuff. So I didn't 388 00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:52,119 Speaker 1: really know. But but I'm thankful for you because it 389 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:54,399 Speaker 1: was great and just one of those deals. I say, hey, boys, 390 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:56,600 Speaker 1: just give me to the press conference. Just get me 391 00:20:56,640 --> 00:21:00,239 Speaker 1: there and and we'll have some fun with this. So so, 392 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:02,919 Speaker 1: to be honestly, I had forgotten about it. And uh, 393 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:05,080 Speaker 1: you know, you just went a national championship, you know, Yeah, 394 00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:07,600 Speaker 1: a lot going on and one of the players in mind, 395 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:09,240 Speaker 1: and hey, don't forget about that. I'm like, oh no, 396 00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:13,239 Speaker 1: that's right, that's right, and uh so, anyway we had 397 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:18,120 Speaker 1: we had a little fun at your expense. But anyway, 398 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:20,639 Speaker 1: I love it. It's so funny. So so Dabo, I 399 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:22,600 Speaker 1: come in and do about two hours of prep every morning. 400 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:25,720 Speaker 1: So the game was over and we were all rooting 401 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:27,800 Speaker 1: for you because we were getting tired of Alabama. So 402 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:30,199 Speaker 1: you won. I went to bed because I have to 403 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:33,160 Speaker 1: get up early. So, um, I didn't see the post game. 404 00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:38,479 Speaker 1: So I come in for my prep and I sit there. Okay, 405 00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:42,560 Speaker 1: so the prep starts about five fifty seven twenty seven. 406 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:45,160 Speaker 1: The guy all the guys look at me and they go, well, 407 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:46,920 Speaker 1: aren't you going to talk about what Dabbo said? And 408 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:49,520 Speaker 1: I said, well, what the hell Dabbo say? Were you 409 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:52,639 Speaker 1: talking about? And they played it and I went, guys, 410 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:56,119 Speaker 1: this is the lead the show. What are we doing 411 00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 1: for two hours? And by the way, we loved it. 412 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:01,119 Speaker 1: I mean I went on the air and I'm like, 413 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:04,960 Speaker 1: you know what I own it was because it's funny. Watch. 414 00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:07,920 Speaker 1: I watched you twice early because I love college football, 415 00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:11,480 Speaker 1: and you struggled a little bit offensively, and I think 416 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:15,080 Speaker 1: it was you couldn't put away NC State and I said, 417 00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:18,399 Speaker 1: how did these guys get But it was classic. I 418 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:22,120 Speaker 1: saw you early and I didn't catch you late. And boy, 419 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:23,840 Speaker 1: by the time, you know, that was a team that 420 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:27,199 Speaker 1: got much better in the last six weeks of the season. 421 00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:29,800 Speaker 1: But you know, to be honest with you, we we 422 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:31,560 Speaker 1: loved it. I had a ball with it. And by 423 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:34,119 Speaker 1: the way, I used to work at ESPN, so I 424 00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:36,840 Speaker 1: can tell you, Dabbo, they just hated you saying that 425 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:41,440 Speaker 1: on the air. They hated it. So I want to 426 00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:45,320 Speaker 1: go to this. So I saw Trevor Lawrence in San 427 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:49,040 Speaker 1: Diego his junior year. So a buddy of mine, Steve Clarkson, called, 428 00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:51,480 Speaker 1: he said, I'm having a camp down here. There's a 429 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:54,520 Speaker 1: kid you need to look at. So I went down 430 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:57,040 Speaker 1: and watched him. And I came back from that camp 431 00:22:57,200 --> 00:22:59,359 Speaker 1: and I went on the air and I said, I 432 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:01,720 Speaker 1: just saw the best high school quarterback I I think 433 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:05,160 Speaker 1: I've ever seen you. You see all the good ones. 434 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:08,840 Speaker 1: The first reaction when you saw Trevor Lawrence? What was 435 00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:13,840 Speaker 1: your first reaction? You know, just I mean like a 436 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:17,000 Speaker 1: sideboard man, I mean just unbelievable. Never really see anything 437 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:20,320 Speaker 1: like it, you know, I what does it look like 438 00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:22,720 Speaker 1: when you see Steph Curry shoot a basketball? You know, 439 00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:25,960 Speaker 1: you just go wow, you know, like you just sit 440 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:27,840 Speaker 1: there and watch him shoot a basketball all day, right, 441 00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:30,640 Speaker 1: And that's kind of how you feel when you watch Trevor. 442 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:32,480 Speaker 1: And you know, the first time I met him was 443 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:34,240 Speaker 1: in the ninth grade. He came into the office and 444 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:36,479 Speaker 1: I was like, this, this is a man. I had 445 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:38,800 Speaker 1: not watched any tape on him at that point. I 446 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:41,400 Speaker 1: just met him and he was up here passing through 447 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:43,679 Speaker 1: and uh, I told him I was gonna watch him 448 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:46,160 Speaker 1: his sophomore year. I didn't offer him a scholarship. That's 449 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:48,040 Speaker 1: that's probably one of the reasons we got him, is 450 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:50,000 Speaker 1: he had like fifty offers. I said, I don't even 451 00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:52,320 Speaker 1: I just meet you. I haven't watched you your tape, 452 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:54,080 Speaker 1: I said, but I'm gonna watch you this year. I 453 00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:56,040 Speaker 1: want to see you drive a car. I'd like to, 454 00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:58,520 Speaker 1: you know, maybe see you go to prim or something. 455 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:01,320 Speaker 1: And let's let's when you're talking about the you want 456 00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:03,600 Speaker 1: to be the face of our program. And so I did. 457 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:06,000 Speaker 1: I watched him in sophomore year every week, and I mean, 458 00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:09,280 Speaker 1: oh my goodness. So we offered him and then he 459 00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:12,840 Speaker 1: committed as a junior. But I remember, it's funny you 460 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:15,480 Speaker 1: say that every year, we usually do a Nike trip 461 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:19,480 Speaker 1: with about twenty coaches, and so he had committed his 462 00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:22,760 Speaker 1: junior year and we're on the Nike trip and we 463 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:25,680 Speaker 1: go in February every year, and David Shaw is a 464 00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:28,320 Speaker 1: good friend of mine. I love David and David. David 465 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:31,000 Speaker 1: and I were sitting there talking and he said, I'm 466 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:34,000 Speaker 1: gonna tell you he said, he is exactly what he said. 467 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:37,200 Speaker 1: And we had a bunch of good players at the time. 468 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:39,240 Speaker 1: He goes, I don't know who your quarterback. He was 469 00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:41,240 Speaker 1: a junior in high school. And another year of high 470 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:43,720 Speaker 1: school he said, I so, I know you've got a 471 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:45,399 Speaker 1: couple of good guys committed this year, and I know 472 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:47,399 Speaker 1: you got some good guys on the team, but I 473 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:49,400 Speaker 1: can tell you who your quarterback's going to be next year. 474 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:52,200 Speaker 1: And uh, he said, that kid you got committed out 475 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:54,440 Speaker 1: of Georgia. He said, that's the best quarterback I have 476 00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:59,119 Speaker 1: ever seen in high school about and and you know 477 00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:02,360 Speaker 1: that and always up with me and and so so 478 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:06,480 Speaker 1: you know, but you never really know until you start coming. Guy, 479 00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:09,040 Speaker 1: like you know, we've had lots of great high school 480 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:10,680 Speaker 1: players and then all of a sudden you get them, 481 00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:13,199 Speaker 1: and you know the transition is different, you know how 482 00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:15,359 Speaker 1: the speed of the game, that the technical part of 483 00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:19,760 Speaker 1: the game, the the the transition from an installation and 484 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 1: verbiage and all those things. I mean, you never know, 485 00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:25,679 Speaker 1: you know how a guy's gonna adjust, and you know 486 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:28,879 Speaker 1: he's just you know, Deshaun was special in that in 487 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:31,080 Speaker 1: that way. I mean, you know, Deshaun just wasn't as 488 00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:34,919 Speaker 1: biggest Trevor, and but he was unique and that he 489 00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:38,359 Speaker 1: absorbed it and you knew right away, like this kid 490 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:42,000 Speaker 1: is different, h and everything that I loved about Deshaun. 491 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:43,760 Speaker 1: I didn't know that I would ever coach another guy 492 00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:47,680 Speaker 1: like Deshaun and everything I loved about Deshaun. Here, this 493 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:50,480 Speaker 1: guy shows up except these six six and you know, 494 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:55,240 Speaker 1: two hundred and fifteen pounds and and unbelievable arm talent 495 00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:57,959 Speaker 1: and so but you never really know where are they 496 00:25:57,960 --> 00:25:59,840 Speaker 1: going to be mentally, And he shows up here that 497 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:03,520 Speaker 1: first spring and it was just I mean, like wow, 498 00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:05,600 Speaker 1: I mean you really would watch this kid and you 499 00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:07,800 Speaker 1: just knew, like as soon as he gets through Spring 500 00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:09,639 Speaker 1: and he kind of gets gets his feet on the 501 00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:12,919 Speaker 1: ground and really has the but the game never seemed 502 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:16,360 Speaker 1: fast to him from day one, like he had been 503 00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:19,800 Speaker 1: doing it forever and and uh, you know, his first 504 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:22,800 Speaker 1: pass at A and M in College station, touchdown to 505 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:28,200 Speaker 1: Tee Higgins, his first pass on that stage, and so 506 00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:31,080 Speaker 1: you know, but he's just a he's just a very 507 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:35,480 Speaker 1: very gifted player. And you know, I've I've there's not 508 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:38,040 Speaker 1: anything if there's a hundred boxes that you want to 509 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:40,159 Speaker 1: write down on a guy that you would want in 510 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:44,320 Speaker 1: the ideal quarterback. He checks every box. There's not a 511 00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:47,440 Speaker 1: single box that that he checks in facts. He has 512 00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:49,399 Speaker 1: some things that you don't even really need. I mean, 513 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:54,200 Speaker 1: he's just he's just he's just a generational type player 514 00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:56,800 Speaker 1: and and I'm super excited about it. I tell him, 515 00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:59,320 Speaker 1: we got a kid that that's gonna take his place. 516 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:03,359 Speaker 1: That's looks like somebody went to a lab and you know, 517 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:07,240 Speaker 1: birth between Trevor and DeShawn. You know, he's you know 518 00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:11,000 Speaker 1: this d he's a Yep, he's gonna be a great 519 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:13,960 Speaker 1: one too. And uh, you know, has the same type 520 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:17,679 Speaker 1: of physical gifts and aptitude just just unique in his 521 00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:21,080 Speaker 1: own way. Yeah, he's the best high school quarterback out 522 00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:24,920 Speaker 1: of California I've ever seen. So I saw him two 523 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:28,920 Speaker 1: years ago a thirty minutes I live in California. Yeah. 524 00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:30,760 Speaker 1: So I saw him play in California and there were 525 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:34,040 Speaker 1: two kids, Bryce Young and your quarterback, And I thought 526 00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:37,119 Speaker 1: your quarterback. M he's got a bigger arm He's a 527 00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:40,080 Speaker 1: bigger athlete. He needs to get a little tempo on 528 00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:43,040 Speaker 1: his ball. Sometimes he throws ninety eight miles an hour. 529 00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:46,600 Speaker 1: He needs a little tempo. But he's a he's a 530 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:48,920 Speaker 1: special athlete. He came to camp. First time I saw 531 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:50,720 Speaker 1: him throw live. I mean, I thought he was gonna 532 00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:54,200 Speaker 1: kill somebody. Uh. Got all these little high school kids, 533 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:55,600 Speaker 1: you know, they're lined up and they all want to 534 00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:57,480 Speaker 1: go with DJ And I'm like, wait a minute, whoa 535 00:27:57,480 --> 00:27:59,159 Speaker 1: whoa whoa? You know, because they don't have helmets on. 536 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:01,920 Speaker 1: I'm like, like she to get a broken nose or something, 537 00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:04,240 Speaker 1: because you're right, he's throwing a slant route like a 538 00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:09,200 Speaker 1: you know, deposed Uh. And but he's he's he's matured 539 00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:10,439 Speaker 1: a lot in that. But I think he wanted to 540 00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:13,080 Speaker 1: really show us what is what kind of army had 541 00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:15,840 Speaker 1: when he came into camp. He can know da boat. 542 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:19,720 Speaker 1: Lou Holtz once said that he turned down a five 543 00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:23,479 Speaker 1: star recruit because he was in the house and he 544 00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:27,120 Speaker 1: was disrespectful to his mom and Lu said, I can't 545 00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:31,320 Speaker 1: sign him. You you get a lot of five star 546 00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:33,720 Speaker 1: kids that want to talk to you because you're Dabbo 547 00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:37,800 Speaker 1: and your Clemson. Have you ever, Um, you've created a 548 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:40,760 Speaker 1: culture that's unique to you. It's it's it's an extension 549 00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:43,240 Speaker 1: of your personality. You don't have to mention names. I 550 00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:46,040 Speaker 1: wouldn't expect that. But you ever have you ever gone 551 00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:49,320 Speaker 1: on a recruiting trip, said fellas, I know he's talented, 552 00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:53,960 Speaker 1: but he's not us. It doesn't work. Oh many times, 553 00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:57,120 Speaker 1: many times. Listen, Um, I don't even have to go 554 00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:59,600 Speaker 1: on a trip. Uh, you know, I mean I can. 555 00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:02,200 Speaker 1: I can spend five minutes with a guy. I mean, 556 00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:05,080 Speaker 1: you know, And I think that's that's something that that 557 00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:08,240 Speaker 1: has led to our success. You know, I've never we 558 00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:11,280 Speaker 1: don't sign We've never signed transfers or junior college players. 559 00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:14,000 Speaker 1: Everything has been through the draft, if you will, and 560 00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:16,240 Speaker 1: I and to this point, and we may have to 561 00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:18,800 Speaker 1: change or adjust, who knows, But but that's been our 562 00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:22,560 Speaker 1: philosophy from day one. Uh, because it's it's just been 563 00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:26,800 Speaker 1: you know, we've been a developmental, relationship driven program. And 564 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:29,239 Speaker 1: if that's your philosophy, you better be right on the 565 00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:31,360 Speaker 1: front end. You know, this is not a program. I mean, 566 00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:34,200 Speaker 1: nine out of ten years top ten academically. You know, 567 00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:36,640 Speaker 1: you can't have a lot of attrition and running guys 568 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:38,880 Speaker 1: off and things like that. Our kids graduate. I mean 569 00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:42,640 Speaker 1: we're ninety eight percent graduation rate. Um. You know, since 570 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:44,320 Speaker 1: I've been the head coach, that's the number one thing 571 00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:46,880 Speaker 1: in our program. You know, again, it all goes back 572 00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:49,480 Speaker 1: to my how I was shaped, you know. You know, 573 00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:52,200 Speaker 1: I've had a lot of great experiences, but walking across 574 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:55,040 Speaker 1: that stage and getting my degree at Alabama made me 575 00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:58,560 Speaker 1: different from everybody else in my family. And it gave 576 00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:01,440 Speaker 1: me opportunities that my mom and dad, my brothers that 577 00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:05,960 Speaker 1: they didn't get in life because because of that. And 578 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:11,880 Speaker 1: I also saw firsthand a lot of players teammates that 579 00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:15,440 Speaker 1: the band cheered loud for them and everybody was cheering 580 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:17,520 Speaker 1: for him, and then all of a sudden, football's over 581 00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:19,320 Speaker 1: and they don't have because back in those days, you 582 00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:21,880 Speaker 1: just majored ineligibility. You know, there was a lot of 583 00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:24,200 Speaker 1: guys just stayed eligible every year and they were there 584 00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,400 Speaker 1: three four years and that weren't any closer to a 585 00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:28,200 Speaker 1: degree than they were when they walked in the door. 586 00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:32,680 Speaker 1: Thankfully all those rules have been changed, you know, And 587 00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:36,120 Speaker 1: and I just never wanted that for my players, you know. 588 00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:38,400 Speaker 1: And so the number one thing in our program is 589 00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:42,840 Speaker 1: value and education and equipping getting your degree. You know, 590 00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:45,640 Speaker 1: one point seven percent of college players playing in the NFL, 591 00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:48,840 Speaker 1: and it's a shame that we make it all about that, 592 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:51,600 Speaker 1: and that's not what it's all about here. I love that, 593 00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:54,040 Speaker 1: I mean, I want Hey, we're I'm second in draft 594 00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:55,920 Speaker 1: picks as a head coach since I've been a head coach. 595 00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:59,520 Speaker 1: Second in first round pick, So that's great. But but 596 00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:02,720 Speaker 1: we're ninety eight percent graduation rate nine out of ten years, 597 00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:06,200 Speaker 1: top ten academically. Christian Wilkins won the Cambell Trophy. Trevor 598 00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:09,000 Speaker 1: Lawrence graduated in three years to sean two and a 599 00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:11,920 Speaker 1: half years. Though that means more to me than anything 600 00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:15,680 Speaker 1: is knowing that when when football goes away whenever that is, 601 00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:19,600 Speaker 1: whether it's in college or right after college, that they 602 00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:23,240 Speaker 1: that they're equipped and and you know, they've got they've 603 00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:27,000 Speaker 1: got they they've got that education to get a job 604 00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:29,000 Speaker 1: and to be able to have a career doing something 605 00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:31,400 Speaker 1: because there's so many places you can't get a job 606 00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:34,160 Speaker 1: if you don't if you're not qualified. And so that's 607 00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:37,000 Speaker 1: important to me. But but you know, when you when 608 00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:40,760 Speaker 1: your philosophy is what it is here, you got to 609 00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:44,960 Speaker 1: be right. And you know, early on, you know, had 610 00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:46,760 Speaker 1: to take a few more chances on some guys. You're 611 00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:48,600 Speaker 1: trying to build a program, and when you get a job, 612 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:50,880 Speaker 1: nobody came there for you to be their head coach. 613 00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:52,200 Speaker 1: So the first thing you gotta do is you got 614 00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:54,920 Speaker 1: to recruit your team, and you got to have a vision, 615 00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:56,520 Speaker 1: and you got to articulate it, and you got to 616 00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:59,080 Speaker 1: get them to buy in. And that's why I'm forever 617 00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:04,520 Speaker 1: thankful for my first few teams, because they're the forefathers 618 00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:07,200 Speaker 1: of what we have today, you know, because those kids 619 00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:09,560 Speaker 1: had to make a decision to buy into the way 620 00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:11,000 Speaker 1: I wanted to do things and what we were going 621 00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:15,200 Speaker 1: to be about. And and now, you know, to protect 622 00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:18,960 Speaker 1: our program, it's all about you know, a limp, you know, 623 00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:22,400 Speaker 1: I mean, don't avoid red flags. You know, so many 624 00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:26,120 Speaker 1: people they they they just look the other way. And 625 00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:28,320 Speaker 1: you know, the philosophy of our program is to serve 626 00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:31,680 Speaker 1: their heart, not their talent. And and you know, so 627 00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:35,800 Speaker 1: that starts in the recruiting process to me. We're incredibly 628 00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:38,760 Speaker 1: transparent in the like brutally if you look at how 629 00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:41,960 Speaker 1: many I think we've had three D commitments in six years, 630 00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:47,400 Speaker 1: and that's because we're incredibly transparent. I hate the term 631 00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:49,120 Speaker 1: if sometimes people say, oh, we got to de recruit them, 632 00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:51,400 Speaker 1: If we got to de recruit somebody, then we weren't authentic, 633 00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:54,160 Speaker 1: we weren't genuine, We didn't tell them the truth. You know, 634 00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:56,080 Speaker 1: I don't want to de recruit nobody. I want them 635 00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:57,480 Speaker 1: to know this is the way it's going to be. 636 00:32:57,520 --> 00:32:59,080 Speaker 1: If you won't go to class here, you ain't playing. 637 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:01,600 Speaker 1: If you're not gonna follow the rules, and you're not 638 00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:03,560 Speaker 1: gonna be a good citizen, you're gonna be out smoking dope, 639 00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:06,480 Speaker 1: whatever it is, you ain't playing. I mean, it's just 640 00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:09,680 Speaker 1: that symbol. Don't come here because we're not gonna use you. 641 00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:11,520 Speaker 1: You know, we're gonna empower you, we're gonna serve your 642 00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:15,719 Speaker 1: hard and that's been that way from day one. And 643 00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:18,640 Speaker 1: so that's not for everybody. But we got to get 644 00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:20,680 Speaker 1: the right guys. And there's been a ton of guys, 645 00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,920 Speaker 1: a ton that have all kind of offers that they 646 00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:26,200 Speaker 1: don't ever get an offer from Clemson. New fact and 647 00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:28,120 Speaker 1: you can. The last time I looked, it was about 648 00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:31,640 Speaker 1: a month ago or so. The Power sixty five teams, 649 00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:34,440 Speaker 1: I think we were third and fewest offers. So the 650 00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:36,520 Speaker 1: number one team had like four hundred and something offers 651 00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:39,040 Speaker 1: and we had like fifty. All right, So we just 652 00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:42,640 Speaker 1: don't offer many guys. But our offers mean something too. 653 00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:45,600 Speaker 1: You know, if you get an offer from us, it 654 00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:50,560 Speaker 1: you know it's a committable offer. There's no uncommittable offer 655 00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:54,320 Speaker 1: or whatever that means. And we're the second winningest team 656 00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:55,960 Speaker 1: in the country the last ten years, and we've not 657 00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:58,920 Speaker 1: had a single number one recruiting class. Alabama I think 658 00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:00,560 Speaker 1: has been number one in the country nine out of 659 00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:02,200 Speaker 1: the last ten years. We ain't had we ain't had 660 00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:05,320 Speaker 1: a number one class yet. I think we're an average 661 00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:10,280 Speaker 1: about ninth over the last ten years. But yet we've 662 00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:12,640 Speaker 1: we've won two national championships, and we want a bunch 663 00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:15,120 Speaker 1: of games. So you know, we do it with people, 664 00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:18,040 Speaker 1: we do it with a relationship, we do it with development, 665 00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:21,520 Speaker 1: and uh you know, hopefully, hopefully that's how we can 666 00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:24,560 Speaker 1: continue to do things here. So Dabbo, I want to 667 00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:27,040 Speaker 1: end this with what I call rapid fire. I'm going 668 00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:30,799 Speaker 1: to ask you a question and you give me a 669 00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:34,239 Speaker 1: sentence or maybe an explanation. And you're a good storyteller, 670 00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:36,320 Speaker 1: so that's not easy for you. You're a good storyteller. 671 00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:42,839 Speaker 1: So here we go. Best coach you've faced, who who 672 00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:47,720 Speaker 1: never gets mentioned among the great coaches? Best coach I've faced, 673 00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:53,000 Speaker 1: who never gets mentioned amongst the great coaches? Um, I 674 00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:57,839 Speaker 1: would say Dave Clawson at Wait Forest, think he think 675 00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:00,520 Speaker 1: he's I think he's a really good football coach, and 676 00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:02,359 Speaker 1: he has done a great job there. I mean he's 677 00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:05,759 Speaker 1: he is a he's at Dino, He's another one at Syracuse. 678 00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:10,640 Speaker 1: He's always a handful, you know. I think Bronco at 679 00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:15,080 Speaker 1: Virginia is a really good football coach. That would probably be, 680 00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:17,319 Speaker 1: you know something, just thinking about guys we play every 681 00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:20,279 Speaker 1: single year, right, those are some of the guys that 682 00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:31,040 Speaker 1: jump out. Toughest loss of your career, oh man, every 683 00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:34,920 Speaker 1: loss is tough. Uh. Probably the first National championship in fifteen. 684 00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:38,000 Speaker 1: You know, I thought we were the better team. We 685 00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:41,000 Speaker 1: really dominated the game, had the lead in the fourth quarter, 686 00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:44,239 Speaker 1: and you know, they had the one hundred yard kick 687 00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:47,360 Speaker 1: return and they had the on side kick, and that 688 00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:49,600 Speaker 1: was the difference in the game. Uh, it was a 689 00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:53,080 Speaker 1: forty was at five forty and you know, at thirty 690 00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:56,120 Speaker 1: five years since Clemson had been a national champion. And 691 00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:58,440 Speaker 1: here we are. You know, we've come from this our 692 00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:01,920 Speaker 1: beginnings in oh nine and now it's it's two thy 693 00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:05,239 Speaker 1: fifteen and six years later we're in a national championship. 694 00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:08,480 Speaker 1: We're playing Alabama and we really I mean, we put 695 00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:12,239 Speaker 1: up almost six hundred yards of offense, but you know, 696 00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:15,239 Speaker 1: we just made a couple too many mistakes and and 697 00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:18,440 Speaker 1: uh uh you know the kick return and their execution 698 00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:22,160 Speaker 1: on that own side kick. Uh, that was a that 699 00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:25,240 Speaker 1: was a really really tough I mean they're all tough, 700 00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:28,480 Speaker 1: but that was just gut wrenching because you just, you know, 701 00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:32,359 Speaker 1: you felt like you just let everybody down. And um, 702 00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:36,360 Speaker 1: it was a tough moment, you know, but you know, 703 00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:38,239 Speaker 1: just wast meant to be. But it was all part 704 00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:40,400 Speaker 1: of our journey. And then the very next year we 705 00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:43,080 Speaker 1: went it all with one second on the clock, you know, 706 00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:49,600 Speaker 1: and another epic, epic game. Last time on the headset 707 00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:53,520 Speaker 1: in a game an assistant coach talked to enter out 708 00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:59,880 Speaker 1: of something. Uh shoot, probably probably the last game we played. 709 00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:04,319 Speaker 1: That happens all the time. Man's that's every game. I mean, 710 00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:09,480 Speaker 1: we were very we communicate. Um, you know, well, again, 711 00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:12,120 Speaker 1: most of these guys played for me. Streeter, my quarterback coach, 712 00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:15,400 Speaker 1: was a GA for me, Tony my offensive coordinator, was 713 00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:19,360 Speaker 1: a receiver for me, and captain and you know so, 714 00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:21,399 Speaker 1: I mean I have great relationships with all these guys 715 00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:28,360 Speaker 1: and then we communicate constantly. So that's happened many times. 716 00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:30,600 Speaker 1: M true or false. Have you ever gone to your 717 00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:34,080 Speaker 1: athletic director and said, it's so dang hot here in September? 718 00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:36,480 Speaker 1: Can we just play night games? It's too hot to 719 00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:39,279 Speaker 1: stand in that sun at one one eastern h You're 720 00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:42,160 Speaker 1: talking to the wrong guy there, man, Mohata mo Betta. 721 00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:44,920 Speaker 1: That's my saying. I like it hot. Uh. You know, 722 00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:46,919 Speaker 1: I'm from Alabama, Man, I grew up in the heat. 723 00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:50,040 Speaker 1: I like it hot and sweaty, and it don't matter. 724 00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:53,000 Speaker 1: You don't play whenever. It just doesn't matter to me. 725 00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:57,040 Speaker 1: I love it. That's my mentality. Moha tell my team 726 00:37:57,040 --> 00:38:03,560 Speaker 1: at all time, Mohata Mobetta, let's go the recruit. Your 727 00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:07,800 Speaker 1: proudest of that. You sold your staff on, you sold 728 00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:10,200 Speaker 1: people on, and you got a little pushback and you 729 00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:12,840 Speaker 1: look back years later and you're like, boy, he was, 730 00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:16,760 Speaker 1: You're proud of that. Oh, that's easy, that's really easy. 731 00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:21,320 Speaker 1: That's Grady Jared, who was the thirty seventh highest paid 732 00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:24,839 Speaker 1: athlete in the world right now. He was a two 733 00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:29,640 Speaker 1: star recruit and he but he was the state wrestling 734 00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:32,200 Speaker 1: champ led the state of Georgia and sacks and he 735 00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:36,279 Speaker 1: was from down there at Rockdale, Georgia, and he came 736 00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:41,000 Speaker 1: to camp. All right, he comes to camp. I'll never 737 00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:43,239 Speaker 1: forget it. I go over to watch the oldl you know, 738 00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:46,480 Speaker 1: pass rush section and Dan Brooks like, he goes, you 739 00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:48,319 Speaker 1: need to watch this kid, And so I watched him, 740 00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:50,680 Speaker 1: and I mean, he was destroying everybody. He's only he's 741 00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:55,040 Speaker 1: barely six feet like on his tippy toes and doesn't 742 00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:57,480 Speaker 1: have any of the measurables that you want. You know, 743 00:38:58,080 --> 00:38:59,919 Speaker 1: if you met him to this day, you would never 744 00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:04,200 Speaker 1: know who he is. It's amazing. But I watched him, 745 00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:06,640 Speaker 1: and we already had a kid who was kind of 746 00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:10,160 Speaker 1: similar body type, and actually he plays for the Broncos now, 747 00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:13,879 Speaker 1: kid named DeShawn Williams. And uh and I and I'll 748 00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:15,720 Speaker 1: never get it. I'm watching, I'm watching, and I finally 749 00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:18,160 Speaker 1: I said, I'm watching his mom over there. As mom's 750 00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:20,160 Speaker 1: into she's old, and she's as much into it as 751 00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:23,120 Speaker 1: he is. And the kid would go every he would go, 752 00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:25,200 Speaker 1: and he'd go and get in line again, and he 753 00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:27,600 Speaker 1: didn't care who he went against. And I'm like, man, 754 00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:29,759 Speaker 1: this is what I want on my team. And this 755 00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:33,040 Speaker 1: would have been so eleven twelve thirty fourth, so his 756 00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:36,759 Speaker 1: first year here was eleven, and uh so this would 757 00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:38,640 Speaker 1: have been two thousand and ten. I'm like, so, I 758 00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:40,640 Speaker 1: tell his mom and this kid to come to my office. 759 00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:42,880 Speaker 1: And so the coaches, some of the coaches heard about it, 760 00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:45,960 Speaker 1: and I said, man, I'm gonna offer this kid. And 761 00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:47,640 Speaker 1: I had some of my coaches, man, we so we 762 00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:50,040 Speaker 1: had the staff meeting talk about it. I got the 763 00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:53,040 Speaker 1: mom and Grady coming to my office and I already 764 00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:54,560 Speaker 1: know I'm gonna of for him. And I get in 765 00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:57,080 Speaker 1: there and man, it was it was. It was one 766 00:39:57,080 --> 00:39:58,600 Speaker 1: of I listened. It was a come to Jesus. And 767 00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:01,040 Speaker 1: I had coaches like, Coach, we don't, we cannot do that, 768 00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:03,960 Speaker 1: we don't need another short guy, we don't, you know whatever, 769 00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:06,880 Speaker 1: and uh and I listened for a little while and 770 00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:09,319 Speaker 1: I said, I said finally, I said, well, I tell 771 00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:11,600 Speaker 1: you what, here's what we're gonna do. I've been doing 772 00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:13,719 Speaker 1: camp for a long time and I have yet to 773 00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:17,600 Speaker 1: see anybody like that guy. And I want that guy 774 00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:20,200 Speaker 1: on this team. And it's gonna put He's gonna be 775 00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:24,359 Speaker 1: a coach Sweeney signy if he stinks, and ain't nobody's fault. 776 00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:26,840 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna hold anybody accountable. All right, this is 777 00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:30,440 Speaker 1: one hundred percent on me. Nobody's accountable for this guy. Well, 778 00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:32,640 Speaker 1: we signed him, and it was some some you know, 779 00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:35,920 Speaker 1: hurt feelings and a little pouting and all that. And 780 00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:37,799 Speaker 1: so the next thing, you know, I got this kid 781 00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:40,960 Speaker 1: in my office and his momaia Lisa Jarrett, and she's 782 00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:44,319 Speaker 1: an amazing lady. And and I told him, I said, look, 783 00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:48,440 Speaker 1: I'm just telling you right now. You know what you 784 00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:51,040 Speaker 1: got we want on this team. And we had a 785 00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:55,480 Speaker 1: great talk. When he commits and we beat Buffalo University 786 00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:57,600 Speaker 1: of Buffalo to get this guy. He had no offers 787 00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:00,600 Speaker 1: and he comes in here and he ends up starting 788 00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:03,880 Speaker 1: as a true freshman, all right, And in his senior 789 00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:06,560 Speaker 1: year twenty fourteen, we were in the number one defense 790 00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:10,080 Speaker 1: in the country in every statistical category, every single one 791 00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:13,040 Speaker 1: of them. All right, and then so now it's time 792 00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:15,920 Speaker 1: to go to the draft. Well, the same things happens 793 00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:19,160 Speaker 1: in the draft. Guess what, he's too short, his arms 794 00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:22,200 Speaker 1: aren't long enough, he's not big enough, he's barely three 795 00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:24,360 Speaker 1: hundred pounds, and you know whatever. You know all this stuff. 796 00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:28,040 Speaker 1: And I sat in my office with Dan quinn and 797 00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:31,240 Speaker 1: and the GM because they wanted to go draft Vic Beasley, 798 00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:34,480 Speaker 1: all right, and I told him, I said, well, you're 799 00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:37,160 Speaker 1: gonna love Vick Beasley because he's a freaky dude. Man. 800 00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:40,919 Speaker 1: This guy can rush the passer. He's gonna make you better, 801 00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:45,680 Speaker 1: I said, But Grady Jarrett will change your locker room, 802 00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:49,200 Speaker 1: he'll change your community. He gonna make you better as coaches. 803 00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:52,120 Speaker 1: And that's the guy. And I literally to this day, 804 00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:56,600 Speaker 1: if you told me I could redraft my team, start 805 00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:59,360 Speaker 1: a program all over again, and draft from all the 806 00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:01,120 Speaker 1: kids that I've had in this program, he'd be in 807 00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:04,040 Speaker 1: my top three draft picks. And he was a fifth 808 00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:06,239 Speaker 1: round draft pick. And if you went back right now 809 00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:08,400 Speaker 1: and looked at all the de tackles that were drafted 810 00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:14,360 Speaker 1: in front of Grady Jared, it's embarrassing, all right, it's embarrassing. 811 00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:17,120 Speaker 1: Most of them made in the League no more. This 812 00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:22,400 Speaker 1: guy is unbelievable human being, one of the greatest leaders 813 00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:24,080 Speaker 1: I've ever been around, one of the one of the 814 00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:28,120 Speaker 1: He is like a foundational piece to what we enjoy today. 815 00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:30,200 Speaker 1: He didn't get a chance to win a national championship, 816 00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:32,399 Speaker 1: but you best believe we would never have won one 817 00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:34,840 Speaker 1: if it wasn't for Grady Jared and the impact that 818 00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:37,239 Speaker 1: he had while he was here. And so that's an 819 00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:38,960 Speaker 1: easy answer right there. And I got a bunch of 820 00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:41,520 Speaker 1: guys like that. Adam Humphreys, I think he makes nine 821 00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:45,520 Speaker 1: million dollars a year. He was a little wide out 822 00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:51,080 Speaker 1: only Division. One offer that he had was US, and 823 00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:53,359 Speaker 1: we called a lot of grief for signing him because 824 00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:55,920 Speaker 1: there was another kid there. Everybody's like oversigning him to 825 00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:58,920 Speaker 1: get this kid. And well, Adam was a great player 826 00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:02,239 Speaker 1: here and he was a tryout free agent for the 827 00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:05,399 Speaker 1: Bucks and ended up starting his first ever NFL game 828 00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:08,560 Speaker 1: as a tryout free agent. And you know it was 829 00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:11,239 Speaker 1: making nine million dollars a year last year for the 830 00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:14,080 Speaker 1: for the Titans, and now he's with red Skins. But 831 00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:16,040 Speaker 1: he's had an unbelievable career. So we've had a lot 832 00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:18,839 Speaker 1: of those type of guys and it's cool to see 833 00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:23,120 Speaker 1: the hunter Infro walk on. He's been good. He was 834 00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:26,520 Speaker 1: a he was a walk on his first National championship game. 835 00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:29,480 Speaker 1: He was a red shirt freshman walk on and had 836 00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:33,080 Speaker 1: ten catches and two touchdowns against Alabama out there in Arizona, 837 00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:35,120 Speaker 1: and then came back the next year a sophomore year 838 00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:38,200 Speaker 1: and had the game winner. He's one hundred and fifty 839 00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:41,840 Speaker 1: five pound. Dude, it looks like the you know the 840 00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:44,919 Speaker 1: you know the trainer. Uh, he never looks like even 841 00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:46,840 Speaker 1: if you met him today, you'd never think he plays 842 00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:50,760 Speaker 1: it starts for the Raiders. I'll tell you what, Davil, 843 00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:53,279 Speaker 1: this was such a pleasure. I can see. You know, 844 00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:58,840 Speaker 1: recruiting is so much about relationships. It's you. There is 845 00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:02,839 Speaker 1: no question. I look at you now and I think, oh, yeah, 846 00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:04,719 Speaker 1: of course, this is why you built a program. Your 847 00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:08,359 Speaker 1: story is great. You're a great communicator. You're a great storyteller. 848 00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:10,360 Speaker 1: And this was just a pleasure for me. And I 849 00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:13,440 Speaker 1: have a I don't know if you like a beer occasionally, 850 00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:18,920 Speaker 1: but if if we ever, that's one. See I'm from California. 851 00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:20,680 Speaker 1: I should love that stuff. I'd rite it ever beer. 852 00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:25,200 Speaker 1: It's great talking to your coach. Yep, enjoyed it. I 853 00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:28,360 Speaker 1: appreciate it. And uh, you know, we I don't know this. 854 00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:30,200 Speaker 1: Are we what are we on? Are we live? Are 855 00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:32,840 Speaker 1: we alive? No? No, we're um. We are on a 856 00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:36,440 Speaker 1: podcast and this will be out tomorrow, tomorrow morning, and 857 00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:39,280 Speaker 1: it'll be for the world to see tomorrow morning. Oh okay, 858 00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:41,640 Speaker 1: I was gonna tell you we got a big fundraiser 859 00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:45,240 Speaker 1: this weekend our foundation, but John Gruten's coming in gonna 860 00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:47,920 Speaker 1: spend Friday and Saturday with me, so I'm super excited 861 00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:52,080 Speaker 1: about that. It'll be pretty cool. Good luck to your coach, 862 00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:57,600 Speaker 1: all right, man, good be with you. Thank you all right, everybody, 863 00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:02,000 Speaker 1: Uh that was fun. See even Dabbo likes me. This 864 00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:04,880 Speaker 1: is why you need to get on the Volume sports 865 00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:08,800 Speaker 1: or Twitter and Instagram, rate review, subscribe. Even the people 866 00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:11,799 Speaker 1: you think don't like me like me. It's it's hard 867 00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:15,440 Speaker 1: to explain. I'm like Tebow with a microphone. Everybody likes me. 868 00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:49,720 Speaker 1: We'll see you soon. The Volume