WEBVTT - Matthew Daddario 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:03.200 Hey, shadow fam, this is Katherine McNamara. We love being 0:00:03.200 --> 0:00:05.800 your host for Return to the Shadows, relieving old memories 0:00:05.800 --> 0:00:07.920 and going back to the good old days of shadow Hunters. 0:00:08.080 --> 0:00:11.760 So we're excited to share a very special announcement. We 0:00:11.760 --> 0:00:14.680 are teaming up with Moment for an exciting live episode 0:00:14.720 --> 0:00:18.680 of the podcast. It will have all of your favorite things, BTS, stories, 0:00:18.840 --> 0:00:23.520 place lore, and of course domin Me. Nothing mundane, we promise. 0:00:24.000 --> 0:00:26.279 And the best part is there will be a live 0:00:26.360 --> 0:00:28.840 chat for some Q and A, some games and more 0:00:29.120 --> 0:00:31.880 by the Angel We can't wait. Tickets are on sale 0:00:31.880 --> 0:00:34.479 now at moment dot com. Slash Return to the Shadows 0:00:34.720 --> 0:01:14.080 See you March twenty second. Patty Baby, doing are you doing? This? Is? 0:01:14.120 --> 0:01:16.800 This is terrifying to see the three of us here. 0:01:17.360 --> 0:01:20.360 I'm nervous. I don't know what to make. Are you terrifying? 0:01:20.400 --> 0:01:23.200 Look at my hair this morning? I'm like, goodness, I 0:01:23.280 --> 0:01:25.200 was just about to say, letting it grow out. I'm 0:01:25.200 --> 0:01:27.160 into it. I like it. I'm totally I feel like 0:01:27.200 --> 0:01:29.399 I feel like a very nineties right now. It's some 0:01:29.440 --> 0:01:31.520 sort of middle part, you know, Yeah, you've got to 0:01:31.600 --> 0:01:34.720 You've got an end sync thing going on. Hey, middle 0:01:34.760 --> 0:01:38.080 parts are are perfectly valid. That's what the kids are 0:01:38.080 --> 0:01:41.480 doing again, what are they doing in the middle part? 0:01:41.880 --> 0:01:45.480 Very very in touch with the are you? Are you 0:01:45.520 --> 0:01:48.960 one community? I know about the younger kids these days. 0:01:48.960 --> 0:01:51.080 I know what they say and i know they're hair styles. 0:01:51.080 --> 0:01:53.040 And I'm very impressed by a lot of the works. 0:01:53.120 --> 0:01:55.600 Very British. It's a very British thing. They're all of 0:01:55.680 --> 0:01:58.080 the gym. I literally just go back from the gym 0:01:58.080 --> 0:01:59.680 and all of them have that sent a part, but 0:01:59.760 --> 0:02:02.160 like dead straight, like the David Beckhams, and they stu 0:02:02.640 --> 0:02:04.600 down to here and then and then it goes like 0:02:04.640 --> 0:02:07.080 this goes off the top of the head. Have you 0:02:07.120 --> 0:02:09.480 seen it, but like shaved everywhere else. It's like a 0:02:09.520 --> 0:02:13.440 reverse mullet. It's mental. No, that sounds terrified, it's wild. 0:02:13.440 --> 0:02:15.880 I don't know's it's the style. You know, we're just 0:02:15.919 --> 0:02:17.680 we're just out of touch because of our I think 0:02:17.680 --> 0:02:21.360 we're out of touch. Yeah, that's what it would all 0:02:21.360 --> 0:02:24.639 look like. It would be the d Could you imagine 0:02:25.919 --> 0:02:27.800 I'd have a middle part, you guys would have all 0:02:27.840 --> 0:02:30.799 these flips and flips and ship. Oh yeah, it would 0:02:30.800 --> 0:02:34.079 be a different show. Oh no, we would look so different. Well, 0:02:34.160 --> 0:02:35.880 Dom and I were talking about this the other day 0:02:35.919 --> 0:02:37.760 because we were looking back at some of the fashion 0:02:37.840 --> 0:02:40.120 and some of the stuff, and then chokers that emd 0:02:40.760 --> 0:02:44.560 in the show. It's insane. Chokers. Yeah, those are very 0:02:44.600 --> 0:02:46.680 in right now, are they? Have they come back again? 0:02:46.680 --> 0:02:51.760 I've come back that long? Yeah, Oh my lord, you 0:02:51.919 --> 0:02:56.480 don't know. I might. Here's the thing is that if 0:02:56.480 --> 0:03:00.560 I declare, it's true and it happens. So okay, let's 0:03:00.560 --> 0:03:02.760 go start it. That's true. I'm eating peanuts and I 0:03:02.800 --> 0:03:05.120 just want two more and then you can start. All right, Well, 0:03:05.240 --> 0:03:07.680 while you eat peanuts, I'm just gonna start this off 0:03:07.760 --> 0:03:11.560 and just say welcome back to Return to the Shadows today. 0:03:11.880 --> 0:03:14.760 Dom and I, I think are beyond excited because we 0:03:14.840 --> 0:03:17.920 have not only one of the most special people in 0:03:18.000 --> 0:03:20.320 the world of shadow Hunters, but one of our favorite people, 0:03:20.680 --> 0:03:25.280 the one, the only, Alec Lightwood. Matthew Didario. Welcome to 0:03:25.320 --> 0:03:28.600 the show. Thank you, Kat. That was a lovely introduction. 0:03:28.680 --> 0:03:31.000 I feel honored. I'm a little disappointed. Actually, I thought 0:03:31.040 --> 0:03:36.000 we were having Alberto back on. That's so I'm been hoodwinked. Yeah, 0:03:36.000 --> 0:03:39.280 that's the only way I got yet. I want to 0:03:39.280 --> 0:03:43.080 go from there. Oh yeah, I was going to let 0:03:43.240 --> 0:03:46.120 it a little bit, let's start starts what we mean 0:03:46.160 --> 0:03:48.520 to go on? I'm into it, Yeah, Angels, just to 0:03:48.600 --> 0:03:50.600 let y'all know, this is just a little peek into 0:03:50.640 --> 0:03:53.600 what actually went down on the Shadow Hunters set. Just 0:03:53.720 --> 0:03:56.960 utter Shenandians all the time. You don't even know, don't 0:03:57.160 --> 0:04:01.480 you don't know, you don't know us. It was the 0:04:01.480 --> 0:04:03.840 show was canceled because of us. That's the real truth, 0:04:03.880 --> 0:04:07.760 that they just couldn't take us anymore. We're finally telling them, Wow, 0:04:08.480 --> 0:04:10.960 it was us. It was our it was our misbehavior 0:04:11.000 --> 0:04:14.960 and our constant, unrelenting aggression towards each other. It was 0:04:15.000 --> 0:04:19.719 it was spiteful, hateful, even wholiganism. That's what it really was. 0:04:19.760 --> 0:04:24.840 I almost said hula hooliganism. Yeah, but it's hoholiganism. Hula hoop. 0:04:24.920 --> 0:04:26.960 Who is there h hoop on? That I missed that 0:04:27.000 --> 0:04:29.400 would have been. It makes me so sad, and now 0:04:29.400 --> 0:04:32.800 I'm stuck on that word. Hum. All right, So what 0:04:32.839 --> 0:04:34.280 are we dealing with today? What are we talking about? 0:04:34.279 --> 0:04:36.760 And what about the full introduction? You need more things? 0:04:36.839 --> 0:04:38.640 Is this? Is this the extent of what you guys do. 0:04:38.880 --> 0:04:43.120 This is pretty much literally it's exactly like a convention. 0:04:43.520 --> 0:04:45.680 That's all it is. We just have microphones. Oh wait, 0:04:45.680 --> 0:04:48.400 we have microphones at conventions as well. It's very similar 0:04:48.400 --> 0:04:52.760 to convention, except time on a chair. I like, dude, 0:04:52.960 --> 0:04:56.280 this is mental. I have this stool right in front 0:04:56.279 --> 0:04:58.360 of me, which is what I use for auditions. It's 0:04:58.520 --> 0:05:03.040 really uncomfortable. And for the first not kidding, fifty episodes 0:05:03.080 --> 0:05:05.320 of this show, that's what I sat on, and I 0:05:05.320 --> 0:05:07.280 was uncomfortable the whole time. And then I realized that 0:05:07.320 --> 0:05:10.960 I could just turn this from my living room directly 0:05:11.000 --> 0:05:14.800 into this space. I mean, what a revelation, Matt. You know, 0:05:14.839 --> 0:05:18.040 it's just breaking news. Tom turned a chair and now 0:05:18.080 --> 0:05:20.359 he's kind of took some It took some very impressive 0:05:20.400 --> 0:05:22.800 that you figured that out. It's these kind of these 0:05:22.880 --> 0:05:26.920 kind of really this this genius is display of genius. 0:05:27.600 --> 0:05:29.520 You would love this chair. You're making fun, but you 0:05:29.520 --> 0:05:31.560 would love this chair. I bought this chair and I went, 0:05:31.720 --> 0:05:33.919 Matt would love this, and I got a discount, and 0:05:33.960 --> 0:05:35.960 I know you love that I've ever shown an interest 0:05:36.000 --> 0:05:38.960 in comfortable chairs? Is that something that I'm I'm sort 0:05:38.960 --> 0:05:41.479 of you believe about. You got a hammock, you lived 0:05:41.480 --> 0:05:43.880 in a hammock for like the first two years of 0:05:43.880 --> 0:05:47.719 filming the show. Okay, okay, well get clear though you 0:05:47.760 --> 0:05:50.040 wanted to stand as long as you Okay, well listen, 0:05:50.240 --> 0:05:53.200 a hammock it's quite different from a chair. These are 0:05:53.240 --> 0:05:55.000 two very different things. And if you're going to say 0:05:55.040 --> 0:05:58.440 that you know me so well, okay, you know what, 0:05:58.720 --> 0:06:02.400 this is what we're doing. I'm gonna I don't think 0:06:02.440 --> 0:06:03.800 you want I don't think you want to be at 0:06:03.800 --> 0:06:06.400 that angle. It you don't think you want to be 0:06:06.440 --> 0:06:09.720 at that angle? I really don't. I don't. Okay, you're 0:06:09.720 --> 0:06:13.400 just yeah, you're just crotch first into the into the microphone, dignified. 0:06:13.560 --> 0:06:15.560 Tell me this isn't like a hammot now all right, 0:06:15.680 --> 0:06:19.600 Oh dear, I'm so far away from my mark. You're 0:06:19.640 --> 0:06:22.640 just yeah, you're just crotch first into the into the microphone. 0:06:23.400 --> 0:06:28.000 All right, oh dear? So well, well, dam is in 0:06:27.600 --> 0:06:32.240 this structure. This is Matt. This is as much structure 0:06:32.279 --> 0:06:35.400 as we get on this show. So welcome, Matt. Let's 0:06:35.440 --> 0:06:38.440 talk a little bit about you, because obviously so many 0:06:38.480 --> 0:06:40.520 of these folks have seen you on the show. They 0:06:40.560 --> 0:06:43.640 adore you as we do. But let's let's talk about you. 0:06:43.720 --> 0:06:46.880 Let's talk about Matt, the Matt up until Shadow Hunters. 0:06:47.440 --> 0:06:49.000 So you were you were born and raised in New 0:06:49.080 --> 0:06:54.640 York City, maybe maybe allegedly allegedly born and raised in 0:06:54.680 --> 0:06:57.760 New York City. Already a nightmare. We're all from places, 0:06:58.000 --> 0:06:59.920 and I'm from New York City, is what you say. 0:07:00.200 --> 0:07:02.440 And I think that I sound like somebody from New 0:07:02.520 --> 0:07:05.080 York City. That's all you've got. That's all the proof 0:07:05.080 --> 0:07:06.919 you've got, So continue, what else about me? Tell me 0:07:06.960 --> 0:07:08.880 more about me? I want to tell you more about you. 0:07:09.560 --> 0:07:12.000 You went to Indiana University. Actually, Matt, you and I 0:07:12.080 --> 0:07:17.640 have the same university degree, which is very interesting. Yes, yeah, true, yeah, 0:07:17.880 --> 0:07:21.960 like you graduated with a degree. What did you study 0:07:22.440 --> 0:07:25.679 mine or yours? What? It's the same. My official degree 0:07:25.800 --> 0:07:31.360 is majored in either finance and then economics as a 0:07:32.120 --> 0:07:36.720 as a miner or was economics, business economics and public policy. Boy, okay, 0:07:36.760 --> 0:07:38.680 well I didn't have the public policy part, but mine 0:07:38.800 --> 0:07:43.240 was also about thrown on there is business economics public policy? 0:07:43.240 --> 0:07:45.440 What does he even really mean? You know, whatever you 0:07:45.480 --> 0:07:48.000 wanted to make them, But it's a it's a Bachelor 0:07:48.000 --> 0:07:52.120 of Science and Business administration, you know, that's what that's 0:07:52.160 --> 0:07:54.840 well we did. I should be running. I'm supposed to be. 0:07:54.880 --> 0:08:00.960 I was designed by ro run public policy robots. One 0:08:00.960 --> 0:08:02.920 of the problems we had in Shadowers, we had a 0:08:02.920 --> 0:08:05.240 problem in shadow wanners, and I want to discuss this 0:08:05.320 --> 0:08:07.320 is a very serious problem. It was something it was 0:08:07.360 --> 0:08:09.720 never brought up. And I think because there's just a 0:08:10.240 --> 0:08:15.920 sort of a neat hatred on that set for robots. 0:08:14.920 --> 0:08:19.720 For robots, no robots. You think you have all this technology, 0:08:19.760 --> 0:08:21.320 and I know a lot of it's a lot of 0:08:21.320 --> 0:08:24.000 sort of magical elements of play here, but we never 0:08:25.200 --> 0:08:27.760 built a robot. And if you thought about it, you know, 0:08:27.800 --> 0:08:30.840 even just a robot one of those like vacuum robots 0:08:32.840 --> 0:08:35.439 had a roombat. Do you remember Rancor? Yeah, I remember, 0:08:36.080 --> 0:08:38.559 and then I since since the show, you remember Rancor, 0:08:38.640 --> 0:08:40.280 a little robot that used to eat my curtains. At 0:08:40.320 --> 0:08:42.480 the time, he was a nightmare. And then I threw 0:08:42.520 --> 0:08:45.280 him out and then I said, okay, I'm going to 0:08:45.320 --> 0:08:47.360 get a rank or two, and I got a rank 0:08:47.480 --> 0:08:49.199 or two. When I was in LA he was a 0:08:49.320 --> 0:08:53.360 nightmare as well. He would clean one spot of my 0:08:53.360 --> 0:08:56.360 my house and it was only exactly where my feet were. 0:08:56.880 --> 0:08:59.120 And I tested it like this is what happens when 0:08:59.240 --> 0:09:01.960 when actors between jobs. So you're unemployed, you play video 0:09:01.960 --> 0:09:04.800 games and you do free shot like this a lot 0:09:04.840 --> 0:09:06.480 of free time, right. So I would walk around the 0:09:06.559 --> 0:09:07.960 house with a cup of tea and see if it 0:09:07.960 --> 0:09:09.640 followed me. And it used to follow me around like 0:09:09.640 --> 0:09:12.199 a puppy. It was the weirdest thing, and so owns. 0:09:12.240 --> 0:09:14.480 The only trail around my house that would get clean 0:09:14.600 --> 0:09:18.200 is exactly where I'm standing. It was mentally damn dumb dumn. 0:09:18.480 --> 0:09:20.600 This thing happened too, and you don't realize that that's 0:09:20.640 --> 0:09:23.160 the first step towards sentience. This thing was searching. It 0:09:23.280 --> 0:09:26.080 is for love for car. It was like a small 0:09:26.160 --> 0:09:29.120 duckling following with its mother. You didn't you didn't get 0:09:29.160 --> 0:09:32.360 imprinted on you? Yeah, it imprinted on you. Very good. 0:09:32.720 --> 0:09:34.240 It sounds like no I did. That's why I threw 0:09:34.240 --> 0:09:35.959 them out. That's why I threw it out. A hundred 0:09:36.000 --> 0:09:38.360 cent put this together is how Maximum Overdrive started. And 0:09:38.600 --> 0:09:42.160 Terminator and like eighteen other robot movies. There's no way 0:09:42.200 --> 0:09:44.120 I was having that in my house. Actually sent it 0:09:44.160 --> 0:09:46.520 to you. But wait, if you threw it out or 0:09:46.559 --> 0:09:48.600 sent it to someone else, didn't you anger it further 0:09:49.440 --> 0:09:53.160 that he did was he No, he killed it. He 0:09:53.280 --> 0:09:57.360 killed a living sentient being, probably the first example of 0:09:57.360 --> 0:09:59.200 a robot becoming sentient, and he killed it. Now, this 0:09:59.240 --> 0:10:01.079 is the thing, is I think this is actually better 0:10:01.760 --> 0:10:04.240 than how the shadow Hunters would have handled it. You 0:10:04.280 --> 0:10:06.160 see what we would have done in the shadow Hunter world, 0:10:06.160 --> 0:10:08.400 we would have said, Okay, well look at this potential 0:10:08.440 --> 0:10:11.440 menace here. You know what we should do is I 0:10:11.480 --> 0:10:15.719 don't know nothing to see what plays out. Because if 0:10:16.160 --> 0:10:18.560 you've never watched the show, anyone who's listening to this, 0:10:18.760 --> 0:10:20.680 one of the things that shadow Hunters were very good 0:10:20.720 --> 0:10:26.720 at was ignoring realistic and obvious threats yeah and if, 0:10:26.800 --> 0:10:30.320 and sometimes even inviting them in, sometimes even creating those 0:10:30.360 --> 0:10:33.880 threats entirely by their own sort of will. Yes. And 0:10:34.360 --> 0:10:39.320 Kat's character Clary, was especially talented at this, well remembered. 0:10:39.600 --> 0:10:41.520 I was unsure if you were going to remember all 0:10:41.559 --> 0:10:43.680 the character names. You've got the lead, so that's a 0:10:43.720 --> 0:10:46.760 good start. I'm very proud of you. Well, who did 0:10:46.800 --> 0:10:50.320 I play? You know, I did my research. Dom played? 0:10:50.920 --> 0:10:53.679 Do you say, Jason, I'm going to fly to Minneapolis. 0:10:53.679 --> 0:10:57.760 Intention in the face where you live? Jay's good, very good, Jay. 0:10:58.400 --> 0:11:03.080 What's Jay short for? Because he's got little legs? What 0:11:03.880 --> 0:11:08.400 this is me? This is me sober, like entirely sober. 0:11:08.679 --> 0:11:11.560 I haven't had a sip of alcohol. That might be 0:11:12.120 --> 0:11:15.320 might be stupidest things I've ever said in my entire life. 0:11:15.880 --> 0:11:19.080 That was almost a me jokes. Are you okay? Because 0:11:19.080 --> 0:11:20.800 he has little legs? You? What do you mean? You 0:11:20.840 --> 0:11:23.840 don't understand? What's he short for? Like? What's the reason 0:11:23.920 --> 0:11:26.120 for him being sure? Is the joke? Because why is 0:11:26.160 --> 0:11:28.079 he sure? Because he's got little legs? Not? What is 0:11:28.160 --> 0:11:32.520 Jay short for? His full name? Yeah? Okay, Well, if 0:11:32.520 --> 0:11:34.920 anyone else there is a dumb dumb like Mattie and 0:11:34.920 --> 0:11:37.000 didn't understand the joke, I just gave you a play 0:11:37.040 --> 0:11:41.320 by play explanation of exactly why that's funny. I understand it, 0:11:41.360 --> 0:11:43.160 and I thought, actually it was very funny, and I'm 0:11:43.200 --> 0:11:45.959 just I'm very sore about it because it made me chuckle, 0:11:46.000 --> 0:11:49.480 but I didn't want it to. Okay, Well, matt we're 0:11:49.559 --> 0:11:54.360 very sorry for forcing humor upon you this morning. Um, 0:11:54.400 --> 0:11:56.960 but back to back to the structure of the show. 0:11:57.080 --> 0:11:59.520 This is half of my job on this podcast. Yeah, 0:12:00.280 --> 0:12:03.320 a little bit about you know, now you're an actor, 0:12:03.400 --> 0:12:06.560 you're a producer, you've directed things, you're you're doing, you're 0:12:06.559 --> 0:12:09.600 writing things. You're so involved in this industry. But that's 0:12:09.600 --> 0:12:11.000 not what you went to school for. So is that 0:12:11.080 --> 0:12:13.960 always where you wanted to go or what brought you 0:12:14.040 --> 0:12:15.760 kind of into this world that then brought you to 0:12:15.800 --> 0:12:19.200 shadow Hunters? Okay, here's all right. Fine, I'll give you 0:12:19.240 --> 0:12:22.760 a little sincerity for a moment, which I do not 0:12:22.880 --> 0:12:27.000 promise will continue. I think that I was reading something recently. 0:12:27.320 --> 0:12:30.040 This man was asking a question. He said that he 0:12:30.120 --> 0:12:34.720 wanted to he wanted to be an artist, and he 0:12:34.880 --> 0:12:37.720 doesn't like his job, and he wants to be an artist. 0:12:37.880 --> 0:12:42.480 And he says, somebody asked him, what specifically is it 0:12:42.559 --> 0:12:44.800 that you want to do? What do you want to create? Artist? 0:12:44.880 --> 0:12:47.520 Kind of a broad subject, right, and he's like, I 0:12:47.600 --> 0:12:49.960 just want to create stuff. I just want to feel creative. 0:12:50.000 --> 0:12:51.800 I want to be an artist. And it's kind of 0:12:51.800 --> 0:12:55.680 an interesting thought because you could sort of reject that 0:12:55.880 --> 0:12:59.320 very aggressively and say, well, that's that's silly. Different forms 0:12:59.320 --> 0:13:02.520 of art required sort of skills and different educations and 0:13:03.160 --> 0:13:06.480 whatever else. And in his case, it wasn't really like that. 0:13:06.559 --> 0:13:08.079 It was like, I don't really care how good it is. 0:13:08.120 --> 0:13:09.800 At first, I want to get better at it and 0:13:09.840 --> 0:13:12.840 I want to learn to create things. And I think 0:13:12.840 --> 0:13:15.840 that in the case of when you're an actor, when 0:13:15.840 --> 0:13:19.000 you're in this industry in general, you are so exposed 0:13:19.000 --> 0:13:21.000 to all the parts of it that they start to 0:13:21.000 --> 0:13:23.280 sort of melt together. And especially when you're on a 0:13:23.320 --> 0:13:25.880 show like Shadowners for a long time, you're exposed to 0:13:25.920 --> 0:13:28.280 all areas of that business and doesn't make you good 0:13:28.280 --> 0:13:30.160 at the other ones, but it does expose you to them, 0:13:30.160 --> 0:13:32.840 and you see their value, You see how you might 0:13:32.920 --> 0:13:35.720 want to take part in those other areas, and eventually, 0:13:35.760 --> 0:13:37.160 when it comes down to it, And I think this 0:13:37.240 --> 0:13:39.640 is something that said a lot maybe overset is that 0:13:39.640 --> 0:13:42.120 you want to tell stories and you want to you 0:13:42.160 --> 0:13:47.839 want to create something artistic. For lack of a better 0:13:47.880 --> 0:13:49.680 word there, I don't really know what else to say. 0:13:49.720 --> 0:13:51.840 You want to create something an art You want to 0:13:51.880 --> 0:13:55.280 create a story. You want to tell people a story 0:13:55.280 --> 0:13:58.839 that they find interesting. And I think that you can 0:13:58.880 --> 0:14:01.079 sometimes do that through acting, but other times you might 0:14:01.120 --> 0:14:03.160 have to make things. You have to maybe write things, 0:14:03.320 --> 0:14:06.240 and if they're not good, they don't get made. And 0:14:06.360 --> 0:14:08.439 that's okay, you know, but at least you're doing it. 0:14:08.920 --> 0:14:11.440 And as Dom said, sometimes if you're an active you 0:14:11.440 --> 0:14:13.400 have a lot of free time, you can spend that 0:14:13.520 --> 0:14:16.920 time twiddling your thumbs and uh, you know, sitting out 0:14:16.960 --> 0:14:19.520 in the fields, which would be really cool. Actually just 0:14:19.520 --> 0:14:21.160 sit out with your grousse all day and just waiting 0:14:21.160 --> 0:14:24.480 for quite therapeutic. It is, except if you did it, 0:14:24.520 --> 0:14:26.840 you know, nine hours a day, it's not really good 0:14:26.920 --> 0:14:29.520 use of your time and probably would get boring unless 0:14:29.520 --> 0:14:34.200 you're really chill. I'm not. So I do other things, 0:14:34.240 --> 0:14:36.160 and as I've been doing them over these years, I 0:14:36.200 --> 0:14:38.120 think I've been getting better at them, and I'm actually 0:14:38.200 --> 0:14:40.800 really starting to enjoy it. You said you weren't going 0:14:40.840 --> 0:14:44.920 to eat any more peanuts. I'm gonna though that was such. 0:14:45.000 --> 0:14:48.120 I was a really eloquently beautiful story, and you finished 0:14:48.120 --> 0:14:52.240 it by breaking your one rule for the podcast. It 0:14:52.400 --> 0:14:55.480 wasn't that beautiful. I'm not saying his role in life 0:14:55.640 --> 0:14:58.080 is not tweetings doesn't make any sense. It was, it was. 0:14:59.280 --> 0:15:00.800 It was nice. If I'm honest, I was waiting for 0:15:00.840 --> 0:15:03.160 a punchline the whole time. You had mischief written all 0:15:03.160 --> 0:15:07.040 over your face, like license. But I think we've just forgotten. 0:15:07.120 --> 0:15:10.280 That's just Matt difficult to tell sometimes. What is it 0:15:10.320 --> 0:15:12.800 that you know? You know, you guys are both actors, 0:15:13.280 --> 0:15:14.960 but I know that I know that both of you 0:15:15.040 --> 0:15:16.760 like to tell kind of story. I know that you 0:15:16.760 --> 0:15:23.000 guys actually really like this whole uh movie and TV thing. Hmm. Yeah. 0:15:23.320 --> 0:15:27.240 Do you have any aspirations beyond acting? Are you? Do? 0:15:27.240 --> 0:15:30.520 You just want to be a space cowboy, but you 0:15:30.520 --> 0:15:32.960 could act as a space cowboy, you know, I want 0:15:32.960 --> 0:15:35.120 to be a space cowboy. Yeah, but that's a that's 0:15:35.120 --> 0:15:37.440 a different that's not really art, is it? Or is 0:15:37.480 --> 0:15:40.920 everything art? Everything's on how you do it. You know, 0:15:41.120 --> 0:15:44.440 anything can be sciences up. Then I would say everything's up. 0:15:44.640 --> 0:15:47.000 I could argue sciences art, you know what. I'm just 0:15:47.040 --> 0:15:48.880 going to accept that. That's like it's like when somebody 0:15:48.880 --> 0:15:52.440 says something really just succinct, like that sciences art. So 0:15:52.520 --> 0:15:54.320 everything's art, you know what. I'm not going to even 0:15:54.320 --> 0:15:55.920 read into what that means because I don't even know 0:15:55.960 --> 0:15:58.080 what that means. But I don't pack it. You can 0:15:58.120 --> 0:16:00.320 feel it. I don't, but I think you can feel. 0:16:00.440 --> 0:16:03.040 That's a great saying. Also you can feel what that means? 0:16:03.160 --> 0:16:05.720 What does that mean? I don't know, but I like 0:16:05.840 --> 0:16:08.640 I like it because it's vague, doesn't really say anything, 0:16:08.920 --> 0:16:11.280 and it accomplishes this task, which is to basically tell 0:16:11.400 --> 0:16:14.440 Matt to stop talking and move on to the next point, 0:16:15.200 --> 0:16:19.320 so I can feel what you mean. Right now, you 0:16:19.360 --> 0:16:21.560 can feel what I mean. So tell me about Tell 0:16:21.600 --> 0:16:23.480 me about when I when I first showed up on set. 0:16:23.520 --> 0:16:26.200 I want to know when did this happen? You could 0:16:26.240 --> 0:16:29.800 tell me. I want to tell me how you hell 0:16:29.960 --> 0:16:34.720 upon first seeing me. I want you to describe so well, 0:16:36.360 --> 0:16:38.280 my first thought because I had just landed and all 0:16:38.280 --> 0:16:40.600 of y'all were there already, and you whisked me away 0:16:40.600 --> 0:16:42.680 to dinner and I met you, and my first thought 0:16:42.760 --> 0:16:48.200 was tall tall, Yeah, my first thought. So many more 0:16:48.200 --> 0:16:50.360 adjectives that could have been used to describe Matt, but 0:16:50.480 --> 0:16:52.600 you know, I know, but that was so clear. It 0:16:52.640 --> 0:16:54.560 was my first thought. I was like, Wow, this man 0:16:54.720 --> 0:16:58.080 is tall, which incept that as it, which is its accurate. 0:16:58.120 --> 0:17:00.600 But then but then I could tell because you you're like, 0:17:00.720 --> 0:17:02.800 you know, you take some time to get to know people, 0:17:02.840 --> 0:17:06.120 generally speaking, and I was like, there's more to this man. 0:17:06.600 --> 0:17:11.640 This will be fun than than just I have layers. Yes, yeah, 0:17:11.720 --> 0:17:14.399 And then there was nothing. Nothing came from that. Yeah, no, 0:17:14.480 --> 0:17:18.040 it really came from that, you know. Seven years later, 0:17:18.240 --> 0:17:20.680 lots came from that man. No, I would say seven 0:17:20.760 --> 0:17:22.840 years later. A tool is how I describe him. When 0:17:22.840 --> 0:17:25.159 people ask what do you like? What was it like 0:17:25.200 --> 0:17:29.760 working with him for that many years? I say, tall. Okay, 0:17:29.920 --> 0:17:31.239 I accept this, and I think that makes a lot 0:17:31.240 --> 0:17:33.680 of sense. I think tall and layered is what you said. 0:17:33.680 --> 0:17:36.080 A lot of depth, you said, a very interesting and 0:17:36.200 --> 0:17:38.720 fascinating person. You said all that, and don what's what's 0:17:38.760 --> 0:17:42.760 your opinion? My opinion was, um, so we I was 0:17:42.800 --> 0:17:45.359 there first, so I sort of heard the casting announcements 0:17:45.359 --> 0:17:49.640 coming in um and that sensation of you know, when 0:17:49.640 --> 0:17:53.520 you're about to have a heart attack, and it's just dread, 0:17:53.800 --> 0:17:56.680 like dread full dread, like the world is coming from 0:17:56.680 --> 0:17:59.000 an end, Like being a first date with somebody and 0:17:59.040 --> 0:18:01.439 you see them and they're just amazing. This is like 0:18:01.520 --> 0:18:04.200 being on a first date with someone and they turn 0:18:04.280 --> 0:18:07.280 up and they're the epitome of your worst enemy and 0:18:07.280 --> 0:18:10.720 you're like, oh no, everyone said this was going to happen, 0:18:10.800 --> 0:18:14.000 but I ignored them and I'm here anyway. And then 0:18:14.000 --> 0:18:16.600 I spent four years making the best of it. You know, 0:18:16.680 --> 0:18:20.680 it's like the beginning of every great film about two buddies. 0:18:21.000 --> 0:18:23.359 You start off hating each other, and then over time 0:18:23.560 --> 0:18:27.919 you grow. One of you becomes a more mature, impressive person, 0:18:28.040 --> 0:18:31.480 a more mature capable individual, and eventually that person is 0:18:31.560 --> 0:18:33.479 up to the standards of the other person and they 0:18:33.520 --> 0:18:38.080 become friend. So in my analogy, Aliens obviously maybe the 0:18:38.080 --> 0:18:43.560 best coming of age buddy story. You implanted an egged me. No, 0:18:43.720 --> 0:18:46.080 I'm saying you're the Queen. I would think you're the Queen. 0:18:47.320 --> 0:18:52.680 I'm I'm the queen. Queen. I put the egg into 0:18:52.760 --> 0:18:56.920 you and then she never does that. The Queen never 0:18:56.960 --> 0:18:59.000 does that. The Queen lays the eggs. We need to 0:18:59.040 --> 0:19:01.639 watch Aliens again, man. And I also I was seeing 0:19:01.640 --> 0:19:05.000 myself as Sigourney Weaver or newte you you, I mean, 0:19:05.080 --> 0:19:08.600 that is an outright Sigourney Weaver is a is a legendary. 0:19:10.119 --> 0:19:12.760 It's honestly, it's just outrageous for you to make that claim. 0:19:12.920 --> 0:19:14.200 But I actually, you know what you do give me 0:19:14.280 --> 0:19:19.639 Sigourney vibes sometimes. Yeah, that's powerful and strong. You're independent, 0:19:20.080 --> 0:19:23.320 very capable cat. You also gave me Sigourney vibe sometimes. 0:19:23.440 --> 0:19:26.520 Although I think Sigourney is quite tall. Yes, I'm quite 0:19:26.560 --> 0:19:48.440 sure I am. But we we let's talk a little 0:19:48.440 --> 0:19:50.680 bit about the casting process. So when did you were 0:19:50.680 --> 0:19:52.639 you aware of the of the books? How do you 0:19:52.640 --> 0:19:54.600 read them? How had you seen the film when you 0:19:54.680 --> 0:19:57.400 first got this in your inbox? What? What were your 0:19:57.400 --> 0:20:01.120 initial thoughts? Your costing story is my favorite of all 0:20:01.160 --> 0:20:03.400 of them. Give it to the people. Match just okay, fine, 0:20:03.400 --> 0:20:06.760 I'll throw a bone here. Okay, So the story is 0:20:07.200 --> 0:20:10.560 previously an audition for the film years before. That was 0:20:10.560 --> 0:20:14.240 my first exposure to this, and I auditioned for Jace. 0:20:14.520 --> 0:20:18.000 I believe the time, Um I wasn't right for the role, 0:20:18.160 --> 0:20:24.359 because um I wasn't a stupid idiot. But then I 0:20:25.480 --> 0:20:27.879 but then I. Then I eventually got this audition for 0:20:27.920 --> 0:20:30.720 the TV show version, and they auditioned me for Alec 0:20:31.200 --> 0:20:33.440 maybe the audition me for Jay's first Now I don't 0:20:33.440 --> 0:20:35.560 even remember. This is so long ago, guys, You have 0:20:35.560 --> 0:20:38.960 to understand the years just they keep flying by. This 0:20:39.080 --> 0:20:41.639 was like it was almost eight years ago that we 0:20:41.640 --> 0:20:45.800 were auditioning. Is it really just that? Yeah? Okay, it was. 0:20:48.920 --> 0:20:50.520 I go in, I do the audition in New York. 0:20:50.920 --> 0:20:53.000 I get a phone call they tell me, you got 0:20:53.000 --> 0:20:55.200 to go to LA for the audition in front of 0:20:55.280 --> 0:20:58.320 the big wigs or whatever. And you walk into a 0:20:58.400 --> 0:21:00.680 room lots of people in this in this big dark room, 0:21:00.960 --> 0:21:03.239 and you do your thing and then you leave. And 0:21:03.280 --> 0:21:04.520 then the next morning they call me and they say 0:21:04.560 --> 0:21:07.160 you're doing this. You're doing the show. And I go, oh, great, 0:21:07.320 --> 0:21:09.480 that's awesome. And they said you have to make a Twitter, counter, 0:21:10.080 --> 0:21:14.280 Instagram or social media accounts and you have to make 0:21:14.320 --> 0:21:16.960