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Speaker 2: breaking down the Cowboys offensive preview against the New York Jets.
Speaker 4: In Week two of the NFL season.
Speaker 2: Here with Nick Harris, John Machoda, Isaiah Standback, I'm Kyle Yeomans.
Speaker 4: Gentlemen. We doing today.
Speaker 2: Pretty good, quick click, getting ready for Week two and
Speaker 2: this is this is really the preview day that I've
Speaker 2: been looking forward to because the Jets defense has some pieces.
Speaker 4: I mean they are they are loaded, no doubt about it.
Speaker 2: And of course we talked yesterday about the Jets offense
Speaker 2: versus the Cowboys defense. The Cowboys defense is exceptionally loaded,
Speaker 2: but now you've got the Jets defense to to talk
Speaker 2: about and we'll see how the Cowboys offense can adjust.
Speaker 2: But I want to start things off with a little
Speaker 2: news and notes. We've done this quite a few times
Speaker 2: on top talking Cowboys, but I'll hand things over to
Speaker 2: Nick Harris. Give me the news and notes of yesterday.
Speaker 2: Cowboys back on the practice field. Just a tiny pit,
Speaker 2: kind of not really full yeah, practice, I mean it
Speaker 2: was just kind of a it was a mock walkthrough,
Speaker 2: so a mock game and a walk through. But there
Speaker 2: were some news that came out of Miam McCarthy's press
Speaker 2: conference yesterday.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so they gave a practice estimate report, which is
Speaker 5: basically saying if they were in a full practice, this
Speaker 5: is how much certain guys would have practiced. And I
Speaker 5: know a notable addition to that list was Brandon Cooks,
Speaker 5: who's dealing with a knee issue apparently. So we were
Speaker 5: able to talk to Mike McCarthy about it. He said
Speaker 5: that he's going to try to do a little bit
Speaker 5: more today, talking about Thursday and then hope.
Speaker 6: He said he's got a.
Speaker 5: Chance to to to play on Sunday, so, you know,
Speaker 5: and talking to Brandon Cooks in the locker room after
Speaker 5: he was very kind of hush hush about everything. He
Speaker 5: was like, yeah, I'll just like coach speak on that,
Speaker 5: and you know, I feel good and you know, we'll
Speaker 5: see where we go from here. So it looks like
Speaker 5: it's just like a nagging recovery as far as I
Speaker 5: can tell.
Speaker 6: That's my personal perspective of it.
Speaker 5: You know, if he if he can't go on Sunday,
Speaker 5: I think that makes, you know, some things interesting for
Speaker 5: the receiving corps. And we lost our host, you know,
Speaker 5: so we've we've lost a receiver and we've lost our host.
Speaker 6: Today, it's been bad.
Speaker 7: I found it interesting how he answered that question about
Speaker 7: how multiple times he was asked and he said, well,
Speaker 7: you're you gonna have to ask coach about there whatever.
Speaker 7: I'm just not used to players saying that, So I
Speaker 7: don't know if that's a he's used to doing that
Speaker 7: at other stops in his career whenever there's been injuries.
Speaker 7: But I found that interesting how there's multiple times it
Speaker 7: was circled back on like his possibilities of playing and
Speaker 7: everything of that, and he didn't reveal anything. So of
Speaker 7: course when we like leave the locker room, I go back.
Speaker 7: I'm like, let me just see when when's the last
Speaker 7: time he was out on the field and it's the
Speaker 7: play right before Turpin's touchdown to make it forty to nothing.
Speaker 7: And so he left basically when all the rest of
Speaker 7: the starters left. It wasn't like heh, he did something
Speaker 7: in the first half and then you know, we didn't
Speaker 7: see him in the second half. I mean that would have,
Speaker 7: you know, raised some red flags. But he was out
Speaker 7: there until when they pulled Dak and everybody else like, so,
Speaker 7: I don't know.
Speaker 5: And a lot of Texans beat writers were kind of
Speaker 5: coming to Twitter yesterday and be like, oh, yeah, it's
Speaker 5: Brandon Cook's Wednesday day off, like he does this, and
Speaker 5: we were like, Okay, good context, I guess, but I
Speaker 5: do feel like there's an actual injury going on here,
Speaker 5: just because of the way McCarthy communicated it yesterday.
Speaker 6: But I guess that's something to keep in mind.
Speaker 5: It was like, yeah, like Brandon Cooks took a few
Speaker 5: Wednesdays off last year, so is a veteran's day off.
Speaker 6: He's a ten year guy, he could do that.
Speaker 4: So did you ever take a veteran's day off? Isaiah?
Speaker 2: Did you ever get a chance to take take the
Speaker 2: kick the feet up a little bit.
Speaker 5: You're telling me a senior at U dub you weren't,
Speaker 5: you know, coming into practice timiously.
Speaker 8: And that was my get money year. I had no
Speaker 8: time to be taking breaks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, how much could missing Brandon Cooks this week? There's
Speaker 2: not a ton of concern, at least it doesn't seem
Speaker 2: like it. For Mike McCarthy, there was a little bit
Speaker 2: of concern when he said, yeah, he should be able
Speaker 2: to go. It's like, Okay, I don't like the words should.
Speaker 9: No, I think he said chance, chance.
Speaker 2: Even worse, So the wordage isn't necessarily great. But I
Speaker 2: still have confidence that that you'll see number three out there.
Speaker 2: But if he's not out there, Isaiah, how can that
Speaker 2: change things?
Speaker 10: Not drastically this week? And be honest with you, really,
Speaker 10: this defense is not it's not really a man to
Speaker 10: man defense, and these guys like to play a lot
Speaker 10: of his own. So with that being the case, I'm
Speaker 10: not saying that be Cooks is just like any other
Speaker 10: receiver run this team, because obviously not the case. But
Speaker 10: you know, we have other guys that could be serviceable
Speaker 10: against this particular type of defense. So Michael Gallup could
Speaker 10: have a day against these guys even Tolbert can have
Speaker 10: a day against these guys, so should be Cooks be missing,
Speaker 10: obviously you will miss him, but there's other guys that
Speaker 10: can still the job now for sure.
Speaker 2: What do you think about some of the other injuries
Speaker 2: that were kind of addressed. I mean, don Van Wilson
Speaker 2: still trying to work back. He did not practice yesterday.
Speaker 2: Tyron Smith was a full participant with the ankle in practice,
Speaker 2: so that was a good sign. And then you're still
Speaker 2: looking for maybe Jordan Lewis to get back in the
Speaker 2: fold this week.
Speaker 4: What do you think about some of those things. It's
Speaker 4: Lewis was active all week last week, but then he
Speaker 4: was inactive for the game.
Speaker 5: I want to start with Tyler Smith, just because it's
Speaker 5: starting to feel like he won't play on Sunday again.
Speaker 5: Whenever we asked Mike McCarthy yesterday about it, he's like
Speaker 5: Donna was closer than Tyler, which you know, Donald's been
Speaker 5: dealing with the injury a little bit longer, and you know,
Speaker 5: if there's a clear eschalon there, then that probably means that,
Speaker 5: you know, he's probably down a little bit further than
Speaker 5: we would probably want him to be.
Speaker 6: And then later in the press commerce.
Speaker 5: He was asked about Tchuma Udoga's performance last week and
Speaker 5: he's like, yeah, you know, he stepped up to the plate.
Speaker 6: He should be much more prepared this week. Now he's
Speaker 6: got the full week.
Speaker 5: And I was like, okay, so I think they're preparing
Speaker 5: Tuma again for a week two. But as far as
Speaker 5: Tyron Smith looks like he's good to go, you know,
Speaker 5: full participant yesterday in the estimate. And then Donovan Wilson
Speaker 5: would love to see his debut. But again, as we
Speaker 5: spoke on it yesterday, like if it's if you, if
Speaker 5: you feel like you're pushing it, there's no needs there's
Speaker 5: no need to. So you know, this defense proved that
Speaker 5: they're more than capable of, you know, doing things without
Speaker 5: him and Jordan, but would love to get those guys
Speaker 5: back on the field as suit as possible.
Speaker 4: You still look concerned without Tyler Smith in the fold.
Speaker 8: I would like to have him versus this front. I
Speaker 8: really would.
Speaker 10: The reason being, these these guys are they're pretty big humans,
Speaker 10: and they're pretty strong humans. And really their way of
Speaker 10: pass rush is bull rush. That's their form of that's
Speaker 10: their style that they choose, right, Dallas's style is stunts, speed,
Speaker 10: you know, beat you vertically or confuse you versus. These
Speaker 10: guys are really just line up and we're just going
Speaker 10: to push you back into the quarterback. Obviously, that is
Speaker 10: the strength of Tyler Smith. He can sit up there
Speaker 10: and and be broughtic with the big with the biggest
Speaker 10: guys in the league. So definitely will miss most likely
Speaker 10: miss that presence too, money Doga. It has good size
Speaker 10: to him and hopefully he can hopefully he can buck
Speaker 10: up his chin strap because he's gonna need it.
Speaker 9: Yeah, it's his old team.
Speaker 6: He's gonna be ready to go.
Speaker 4: Is that what it is. He's gonna he's gonna play
Speaker 4: play well against him.
Speaker 2: I mean, Jonathan Hankins played against his team last week
Speaker 2: that drafted him, and he played pretty well.
Speaker 4: So that's pretty sound reasoning overall.
Speaker 10: That's the that's the thing that sucks about the offensive line.
Speaker 10: You can't interchange guys based upon best matchups. Now, you know,
Speaker 10: you need chemistry. You know, if I was if you
Speaker 10: were able to interchange guys and chemistry wasn't really a factor,
Speaker 10: then I would put t J.
Speaker 8: Bass in this game because TJ.
Speaker 10: Bass is bigger in my opinion, he's a big bigger,
Speaker 10: more brawlic uh kind of road greater type of guy,
Speaker 10: right like, once you get in their physical old school irishman,
Speaker 10: right like. I think that's his style and I think
Speaker 10: that will work well against this defensive.
Speaker 8: Front Chimmy Douga.
Speaker 10: I think he should be serviceable as well, and being
Speaker 10: based upon his size, I think he has problems when
Speaker 10: guys are able to move and get around him. Right,
Speaker 10: So this is gonna be in a phone boo. It's
Speaker 10: gonna be strength on strength and who can really hunker
Speaker 10: down and put their foot in the ground, which also
Speaker 10: makes you want to turn your attention towards Tyrone Smith
Speaker 10: and find out how how strong that ankle is.
Speaker 4: How'd you feel like he played in Week one?
Speaker 8: I feel like he did really pretty good. I felt
Speaker 8: he did pretty good.
Speaker 10: But again, you know, that's that style of rush that
Speaker 10: he that that we dealt with last week is not
Speaker 10: what he's going to see.
Speaker 8: This week's different. Yeah, it's totally different.
Speaker 4: What did you think about Tyron Smith? Yeah?
Speaker 6: I really solid.
Speaker 5: I thought it was a sound effort, you know, all
Speaker 5: the way from both tackles with Tyrone and Terrence. Terrence
Speaker 5: had one bad penal leave, but other than that, it was.
Speaker 5: It was mostly pretty clean. You know, I didn't love
Speaker 5: Beotish's performance, and I know we talked about that, but
Speaker 5: the more I've gone back to watch film from that game,
Speaker 5: the more I see Beyondash calling out things pre snap
Speaker 5: and that just I love to see that, like that's
Speaker 5: that's invaluable. But as far as post snap, I feel
Speaker 5: like he could have cleaned some things up and had
Speaker 5: a better day overall. But Tyron, overall, I feel like
Speaker 5: he performed well my expectation for him.
Speaker 6: It was met. I wouldn't say it was exceeded, but
Speaker 6: it was met.
Speaker 2: So yeah, And I think there's ways that they can
Speaker 2: still see in Uptick. I mean, you were able to
Speaker 2: pave the way for the run early. You were able
Speaker 2: to get things going on the ground initially, and then
Speaker 2: the game was out of hand at that point, so
Speaker 2: it didn't really matter towards the back end. But I
Speaker 2: want to talk about the run game specifically this week
Speaker 2: because it's not going to be easy to run against
Speaker 2: this front and John. I mean, we've talked at nauseum
Speaker 2: about the number two and number three running backs, Rico
Speaker 2: Dawdle and of course Douce Vaughn. But Tony Pollard, he
Speaker 2: was limited. He had the two touchdowns, sounded good. He
Speaker 2: didn't have to do a whole lot. Do you expect
Speaker 2: more out of Tony Pollard just from a usage standpoint
Speaker 2: in week two than you did in week one or
Speaker 2: you saw in week one?
Speaker 9: Not much?
Speaker 4: Yeah, No, I don't.
Speaker 7: I think if anything, you might see more of Rico Dautle,
Speaker 7: maybe you see more Deuce Vawn. I could see Turpin
Speaker 7: getting a similar workload. So I guess it depends on
Speaker 7: how the game goes.
Speaker 8: You know.
Speaker 7: If there's certain situations where they just feel that way
Speaker 7: better off of Tony Pollard out there, they will be.
Speaker 7: But I just I don't get the sense at all
Speaker 7: that they're going to be throwing him out there for
Speaker 7: twenty twenty five carries a game.
Speaker 9: I just really don't.
Speaker 7: I think he's too valuable for the law on haul
Speaker 7: and what he can bring them in January. So I
Speaker 7: think that it's going to be managed to where he's
Speaker 7: out there in the right situations.
Speaker 9: And obviously that was the case on Sunday.
Speaker 7: They didn't have to give him the huge workload, but
Speaker 7: I think he had I want to say, like maybe eighteen.
Speaker 4: Touches I can give you for sure.
Speaker 9: I think it was.
Speaker 2: Around fourteen attempts and he had two receptions.
Speaker 4: Sixteen sixteen touches.
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, I think that that's about right. Yeah, keep
Speaker 9: that around twenty.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And then Dawbdell had six carries, did not have a target.
Speaker 2: Turpin of course, had three carries, he had the touchdown.
Speaker 4: Do you like the wrinkle of Turpin being thrown in
Speaker 4: there as a running back?
Speaker 2: I mean, we talked about it a little bit on
Speaker 2: Hit Sticks earlier this week, But he's not a running back,
Speaker 2: but they can use him in that standpoint kind of
Speaker 2: the same way they use Deuce Vaughan.
Speaker 4: In certain situations.
Speaker 10: If he's on the field, he's not pass blocking, I
Speaker 10: can tell you that much. Yeah, So I do like
Speaker 10: to I like it for two reasons. I like it
Speaker 10: from a standpoint that you're taking carries off of Tony
Speaker 10: Pollard because they favor each other in their their dynamic
Speaker 10: ability to make a play, right and in terms of
Speaker 10: trying to outflank and use your speed and hit the
Speaker 10: hole and get up there and make somebody miss. So
Speaker 10: if you're gonna have somebody that can take carries off
Speaker 10: him and you can get the same effectiveness.
Speaker 8: From that standpoint, then why not. And then from the
Speaker 8: other standpoint that.
Speaker 10: You keep guys under toes and you find a way
Speaker 10: to get the ball into your playmaker's hands. You know,
Speaker 10: Turping is a supreme runner right with the ball in
Speaker 10: his hand, he just is. You know, you don't have
Speaker 10: to really worry about it except for the preseason game
Speaker 10: about him fumbling. So you can trust him in that regard,
Speaker 10: and he's gonna make He's gonna be a matchup nightmare.
Speaker 10: Now once he comes into the game personnel wise, you know,
Speaker 10: when you're in a huddle. That's what's how that's how
Speaker 10: defenses are are are scripting.
Speaker 8: Right, let me back up. A defensive coordinator sitting in
Speaker 8: the booth.
Speaker 10: He's watching players come on the field as soon as
Speaker 10: he sees what players come on the field for the offense.
Speaker 10: Now he's calling his defense based upon the guys that
Speaker 10: are coming in for offense. So if you see Turping
Speaker 10: coming in, okay, obviously you have a four receivers on
Speaker 10: the field at one time. Okay, now you're sending out
Speaker 10: your dying but all of us and Turping lines up
Speaker 10: in the backfield. Oh crap, right, now we're now we're
Speaker 10: in a bad situation, right, So it's a mismatched nightmare
Speaker 10: for teams. And yes, they're gonna still try to match
Speaker 10: up based upon personnel. But when he lines up in
Speaker 10: the backfield, now all of a sudden, you only got
Speaker 10: five guys in the box, you have some things to
Speaker 10: worry about.
Speaker 6: Do you love it still? In goal line situations?
Speaker 5: Because I figure him being as a running back, it
Speaker 5: would be most effective between the thirties, get him out
Speaker 5: in the open field where he can break off and
Speaker 5: get loose with a big hole, but in the goal line,
Speaker 5: where everything's much more compact.
Speaker 6: I think he was only one.
Speaker 5: For three on goal line opportunities on Sunday, So I
Speaker 5: don't know if I love goal line, But do you do?
Speaker 6: You have the same sentiment.
Speaker 10: I don't have an issue with it because you think
Speaker 10: about it from like, what this is going to sound bad,
Speaker 10: somebody's gonna take the offense of this. But what does
Speaker 10: Tony Pollard provide for you on the goal line that
Speaker 10: Turpin doesn't.
Speaker 9: It's a little bit more physicality and more size.
Speaker 8: I mean, when the last time you saw Tony Pauler
Speaker 8: run through somebody on Sunday.
Speaker 6: I mean Sunday on the goal line.
Speaker 8: I mean, he'll run through something.
Speaker 10: I mean, I'm not saying that he can't, but I'm
Speaker 10: saying that's not his thing. I mean, I'm saying, you
Speaker 10: want to run through somebody, you put reco on the game, right,
Speaker 10: you want to talk about somebody running in tight spaces. Well,
Speaker 10: Turpen's kind of your guy, right, what does he do
Speaker 10: as a part returner? You run through tight spaces?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 10: Right, So, I mean so it's not like he has
Speaker 10: an inability to be able to run the ball down there. Sure,
Speaker 10: it's just out of the box thinking and people are
Speaker 10: struggling with that.
Speaker 7: And I liked how you mentioned just him even having
Speaker 7: him out there, what it does for opposing defenses that
Speaker 7: are watching it, Because there were some plays in that
Speaker 7: game that maybe they didn't have the biggest success, but
Speaker 7: like the dack keeper down in the red zone off
Speaker 7: when he ran to the left, Like, yeah, did they
Speaker 7: score a touchdown?
Speaker 11: No?
Speaker 7: But you liked that they're still showing, Hey, you have
Speaker 7: to account for the quarterback here. It's yeah, is he
Speaker 7: running like twenty sixteen? No, but you still have to
Speaker 7: count for it. We're still going to show that. Yeah,
Speaker 7: and probably my favorite play in the game was this
Speaker 7: was the screen of power. I know he fumbled, but
Speaker 7: the way they brought CD in motion and then he
Speaker 7: circled around the gun and then came back out still
Speaker 7: to the left, Like they didn't throw to CD, but
Speaker 7: it is the most that's the playmaker you worry the
Speaker 7: most about in defense, and it still did enough to
Speaker 7: like draw some attention there, so then they could throw
Speaker 7: the screen back to the right like that. Like, yeah,
Speaker 7: they didn't throw to CD, but you can off of that.
Speaker 7: And just to put that out there, there was just
Speaker 7: there was a few plays in there that I just
Speaker 7: really liked that. Like I said, it didn't hit big,
Speaker 7: but you can see what some big things that could
Speaker 7: come off of it.
Speaker 2: No, I think that's that that creativity is what we've
Speaker 2: been waiting for. We were talking about it on Thursday
Speaker 2: last week of get the screen Game going. I mean,
Speaker 2: get it, get it rolling, and you're gonna use it
Speaker 2: with Turpin, You're gonna use it with Pollard, You're gonna
Speaker 2: use it with Douce Vaughan, and those are gonna be
Speaker 2: guys that the screen game allows uh or that allow
Speaker 2: the screen game to open up.
Speaker 7: You also need a healthy offensive line to have some
Speaker 7: success and happening where you like from week to week.
Speaker 9: Maybe you have the same five guys. I know this
Speaker 9: is crazy.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I know, I know, but it happens sometimes. But
Speaker 7: if you have that, I just wonder how much.
Speaker 9: Continuity there really was maybe, And.
Speaker 7: I mean, let's be honest, since Micha McCarthy's been the
Speaker 7: head coach, it just really not had some good health
Speaker 7: in the offensive line. I think having you know, several
Speaker 7: weeks in a row with Tyron out there, Terrence Steele, Zach, Yeah,
Speaker 7: I think that could be that could help the screen
Speaker 7: game as well.
Speaker 6: Yeah, we need to buy like a wood plant. We
Speaker 6: knock on this.
Speaker 9: You don't think, what do you think that is?
Speaker 2: I think it's like plywood, like it's okay, it's just there,
Speaker 2: which I mean, it's got wood in the name, So
Speaker 2: I mean, I think.
Speaker 4: It's true work. I agree with you.
Speaker 2: I think a healthy offensive line is always going to
Speaker 2: help this offense move forward. But you can't count on that,
Speaker 2: and that's why we had a problem with the offensive
Speaker 2: line depth at the beginning at the beginning of the year,
Speaker 2: and now you're already seeing it with Tyler Smith and
Speaker 2: Tyron Smith.
Speaker 4: Last week there was a bit of a scare.
Speaker 2: Luckily true, Modoga came back in and did a nice job.
Speaker 2: Tyron Smith was healthy enough to play. It looks like
Speaker 2: that'll be the case going into week two. But you
Speaker 2: still don't necessarily feel comfortable with it.
Speaker 4: But it just it opens so many things up.
Speaker 2: If you can have all five of those guys up front,
Speaker 2: it's a completely different ball game. And we're talking and
Speaker 2: nitpicking on an offense that one thirty or I mean,
Speaker 2: excuse me, forty to nothing in week one. A lot
Speaker 2: of that came from the defense and the special teams.
Speaker 2: Of course we know that, but the offense did some
Speaker 2: good stuff too, and they were able to put drives together.
Speaker 4: They were able to make it look good.
Speaker 2: And Isaya even talked about it prior to really the
Speaker 2: introduction to the West Coast offense. It's not always pretty,
Speaker 2: and nor will it, but it's going to get the
Speaker 2: job done because it's supposed to help you help your
Speaker 2: defense and be complimentary to the other two units.
Speaker 10: Absolutely, and you're going to see more of that. I
Speaker 10: truly believe that you're going to see more of that. However,
Speaker 10: I think it's going to be a completely different approach
Speaker 10: this week. And like as I as I look at
Speaker 10: this this defense of the Jets, they're they're huge up front.
Speaker 8: They're huge upfront. I mean these guys.
Speaker 10: The smallest lineman they have, I think they have one
Speaker 10: hundred and sixty five pounds defensive end.
Speaker 8: Other than that it's two three hundred.
Speaker 10: Like they're ginormous, and they're athletic, but they don't use
Speaker 10: their athleticism right, right, So they want to to gap you,
Speaker 10: right And for those that don't know what two gap is,
Speaker 10: that means. I want to be in my three point stands.
Speaker 10: Come off the ball, put both hands on your chest,
Speaker 10: grab your chest, your your chest piece, and drive you
Speaker 10: back into the quarterback. I want to constrict your ability
Speaker 10: to rend the ball. I want to take away your
Speaker 10: running lanes, and I want to take away your quarterback's pocket.
Speaker 8: That that's the benefit of a two gap.
Speaker 10: So when you have usually most teams have one guy
Speaker 10: as good at two gapping, these guys have four.
Speaker 8: That's me. That's what they're doing. That's their style.
Speaker 10: They are not generic pass rushers in the sense that
Speaker 10: they're going to go out there and try to up
Speaker 10: and under They don't have a Michael Parsons, they don't
Speaker 10: have a d Law, they don't have a Sam Way,
Speaker 10: they don't they don't have any of those type of
Speaker 10: guys Like Cowboys Nation is very familiar with guys, you know,
Speaker 10: getting those one on one matchups and just making somebody
Speaker 10: just miss.
Speaker 8: That's not this team.
Speaker 10: This team wants to drive you back into the ball,
Speaker 10: you know, to the quarterback or into the lap of
Speaker 10: the runner.
Speaker 8: What does that do for you offensively?
Speaker 5: Though?
Speaker 2: Let's talk about it in the second back bet I
Speaker 2: like it? Yeah, how about that for a tease? How
Speaker 2: does that change things offensively? We'll get Isaiah's full scouting report.
Speaker 2: We'll talk about this Jets defense in the matchup for
Speaker 2: the Cowboys offense.
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Speaker 2: of Kyle the omens. All right, Isaiah, you've you've crunched
Speaker 2: the film, you've broken this thing down. I want you
Speaker 2: to tell me about the Jets defense. They're complete scouting
Speaker 2: report and how it could change things this week for
Speaker 2: the Cowboys offense game plan wise. There are gonna be
Speaker 2: times this year where Isaiah will say that.
Speaker 4: What team did you call compost last year?
Speaker 10: A few you will hear it this week this year.
Speaker 10: Sometimes it's not gonna be this week though. This team
Speaker 10: is not compost on the defense.
Speaker 4: They have some dudes offense.
Speaker 10: On offense, they have guys, But I think it's gonna
Speaker 10: be a rough night for them. Yeah, it's gonna be
Speaker 10: a rough knight for Wilson. Okay, let's get into it.
Speaker 10: So defense, so defensively, their defensive front is their strength
Speaker 10: of their team.
Speaker 8: All right. Everybody can talk about Salis Gardner all day long.
Speaker 10: Sauce Gardner is a dude, but how they utilize these
Speaker 10: and how he gets his opportunities to come from this
Speaker 10: front right, and it's really the front six.
Speaker 8: I wouldn't even call it the front seven. Defensive lineman.
Speaker 10: Obviously everybody knows Keenan uh it, Keenan, Quinn, Quinn, Quinn, Quinn, Quinn, Williams. Okay,
Speaker 10: he's a dude, but he he's not as much of
Speaker 10: a dude as I as I would expect him to
Speaker 10: be as I watch him on film, and I think
Speaker 10: because he has one style that I've seen, I think
Speaker 10: he is limited. I think he's very limited. Now is
Speaker 10: he dominant in that one way of going about it?
Speaker 10: It's almost like if you took Michael Parsons and said, Okay,
Speaker 10: Michael Parson's gonna line up outside.
Speaker 8: He's going to run outside you every single time. Good
Speaker 8: luck trying to keep up?
Speaker 10: Yeah, right, play linebacker like he didn't come Yeah, I
Speaker 10: mean lineman that like, they'll be happy to know that
Speaker 10: he's going to do that every single time. But can
Speaker 10: you stop it? No, you probably still can't stop a
Speaker 10: majority of the times. And that's really how Quinn and
Speaker 10: Williams is as well. So he's gonna two.
Speaker 9: You realize he was the third over pick in that
Speaker 9: twent nineteen drafts.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was didn't realize.
Speaker 8: Yes, he just got paid again.
Speaker 2: There was a chance they were going to trade him
Speaker 2: and Dallas was an interested team. It just was back
Speaker 2: in like this is the the Jamal Adams trade time,
Speaker 2: you know, like there was a there was a time
Speaker 2: where it's like Dallas was kind of throwing their hat
Speaker 2: in the ring of like we would like to maybe
Speaker 2: throw something at you for Quinn Williams and Jets are like,
Speaker 2: you know what, we'll hold on.
Speaker 9: So if he was in this defense, he would be
Speaker 9: used differently.
Speaker 10: Oh man, oh, if he was in this defense, I
Speaker 10: wouldn't say that he'd be used differently. I think that
Speaker 10: he would be a great accomplishe to to Hankas, Yeah,
Speaker 10: I mean.
Speaker 8: He he does what you hope Mazi will do. Okay,
Speaker 8: pretty much. That's probably That's probably the best way.
Speaker 6: Of saying basically just using his strength to.
Speaker 8: Be using your strength to be purely just.
Speaker 10: I don't need you to I don't need you picking
Speaker 10: a side. That's what our defense is kind of falling
Speaker 10: into right now. We'll touch base on that in film
Speaker 10: room this week. But you know, our defense likes to
Speaker 10: jump around and like the stunt a lot. There's a
Speaker 10: lot of cross there's a ton of movement, right, So
Speaker 10: there's benefits of that when you get your matchups, but
Speaker 10: you can get out of place as well. This team
Speaker 10: isn't going to get out of place. They're always going
Speaker 10: to be where they're supposed to be. But you have
Speaker 10: to drive them off the ball. You have to use
Speaker 10: your combo blocks, your double teams to get these guys
Speaker 10: moving the opposite direction because if you don't, they will
Speaker 10: disrupt everything you have going on in the backfield. So
Speaker 10: as we talk about at you money Doga's that is
Speaker 10: a potential red flag if he can't hold the fort,
Speaker 10: because they will obviously try to expose him in that regard.
Speaker 10: But that the front four of those guys is pretty
Speaker 10: dark on solid right, all right, So ninety five, ninety three,
Speaker 10: ninety one, Okay, those are the main guys that you
Speaker 10: have to worry about. I think the most impactful aspect
Speaker 10: of their defense are their linebackers.
Speaker 8: Dogs, complete utter dogs.
Speaker 10: And one thing that we've talked about in the past
Speaker 10: is the reason why Dallas Dallas's defense a front is
Speaker 10: so important. While we need interior linemen that can hold
Speaker 10: the ford and demand double teams is because what what
Speaker 10: does it do for your second level? Allows for your
Speaker 10: second level to free flow? Well, guess what that is
Speaker 10: exactly what they do in New York. New York has
Speaker 10: their down linemen. These guys are gonna two gap.
Speaker 8: You better.
Speaker 10: You better get a little shoulder on them or something
Speaker 10: to stop the men from coming forward.
Speaker 8: Otherwise you're gonna be in the quarterback's lap.
Speaker 10: But those guys are taking up your linemen so that
Speaker 10: their second level guys can free flow. And those are
Speaker 10: their playmakers. So their playmakers are that and CJ. Moseley
Speaker 10: out of Baltimore, uh and in Quincy Williams. So fifty
Speaker 10: six to fifty seven. So as fans, as you're watching
Speaker 10: the game, fifty six to fifty seven. Those dudes are dudes,
Speaker 10: and they fly around. They are they have the energy
Speaker 10: of what I would call.
Speaker 8: Like a Michael Parsons.
Speaker 10: They have that energy right like they're like, they're tenacious,
Speaker 10: they're relentless, they are gonna they have no regard for
Speaker 10: their body. They are coming downhill, they're making a decision.
Speaker 10: They're trying to take your head off.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Mosely especially like he's a downhill beat.
Speaker 10: Yes, yes, And now there's advantages to that. Yeah, there's
Speaker 10: advantages to that. Right, So we talk about their front
Speaker 10: four really just getting vertical, right. They just want to push, push, push,
Speaker 10: push push, let their linebackers free flow run to the ball.
Speaker 10: But what happens when those guys are overly aggressive, they oversell.
Speaker 10: They oversell. So now, all of a sudden, if you
Speaker 10: can establish a running game and demand the respect of
Speaker 10: those second level guys, if you could demand the spect
Speaker 10: them mostly, if you can just demand the respect of Williams,
Speaker 10: then all of a sudden, you can run your play
Speaker 10: action game all day long. And the reason being is
Speaker 10: because these guys want to play a base defense. On
Speaker 10: the back end, they are a too high defense. They
Speaker 10: want to play two safeties all day, every day. There
Speaker 10: are a couple of ways that I found that you
Speaker 10: can force them out of a too high look, okay,
Speaker 10: and that's usually comes in the form of bunch sets.
Speaker 10: They don't want to play too high in bunch they
Speaker 10: really don't. But and for the most part, they want
Speaker 10: to play quarters coverage, which is cover four right, everybody,
Speaker 10: all their guys the corners have a quarter, the safeties
Speaker 10: have a quarter of the field, or they want to
Speaker 10: play Cover two right, and the corners are sitting five yards.
Speaker 8: The safeties have that the haves one thing that they
Speaker 8: do really.
Speaker 10: Well of and it's screwed the crap out of Josh
Speaker 10: Allen is they don't like to just play two and
Speaker 10: just play four. And sometimes they want to play two
Speaker 10: on one side of the field and they want to
Speaker 10: play four on the other side, or they want to
Speaker 10: play two on one side of the field and they
Speaker 10: want to play man on the other side of the field.
Speaker 10: So what Josh Allen ran into, and the reason why
Speaker 10: he threw three picks other day, is because of the
Speaker 10: fact that he was seeing the front side of the
Speaker 10: coverage and he wasn't picking up that they were running
Speaker 10: a completely different coverage on the backside. So when he
Speaker 10: had guys running deep routes and backside posts and over routes, Okay, yeah,
Speaker 10: I see what they're running front side.
Speaker 8: Cool, got that diagnosed.
Speaker 10: Okay, So if I see that and I know they're
Speaker 10: running Cover four over here, that means that the guy's
Speaker 10: open on the backside over here shooting. Yeah, he's just
Speaker 10: shooting over there, right, Because he was assuming that the
Speaker 10: coverage was the same on the other half of the field.
Speaker 10: They were really dividing their coverage right down the middle
Speaker 10: right cover for this side, cover two backside, man on
Speaker 10: this side, cover two backside right. So he was getting
Speaker 10: screwed because he wasn't diagnosing the entire play. So that's
Speaker 10: something that Dak's going to have to be uber aware
Speaker 10: of as he goes out there and starts trying to
Speaker 10: throw some of these routes because you have to see
Speaker 10: the entire field. They do a good job with their
Speaker 10: safeties of making it look like the base coverage when
Speaker 10: in reality, this half is one coverage, that half's another.
Speaker 2: So if that's the case, there's no such way that
Speaker 2: Dak can come up to the line of scrimmage other
Speaker 2: than just watching film and knowing that it's a possible
Speaker 2: ability he can diagnose that pre snap. That's all post
Speaker 2: snap diagnosis quarterback.
Speaker 10: So as a quarterback, when you step to the line
Speaker 10: of scrimm, it's you. It's a process of elimination. Right,
Speaker 10: So I stepped to the line of scrimmage, I see
Speaker 10: two safeties, Okay. Automatically my mind goes to okay, either
Speaker 10: it's cover two or cover four. Usually that's where my
Speaker 10: mind goes. Okay, great for running the ball against. So
Speaker 10: the ability to run the ball awesome if you can
Speaker 10: get these guys moving in opposite direction on the front. Okay,
Speaker 10: but easier said than Donehen you got three hundred pounds
Speaker 10: across the d line that played with good pad level
Speaker 10: and have good strength, and the linebackers can roam free
Speaker 10: without alignment being able to work up to them. So
Speaker 10: Tony Pollard and you know, Rico, You're gonna have to
Speaker 10: make a man miss. You have to run through a
Speaker 10: guy who doesn't care about his face because he's going
Speaker 10: to come and try to try to take your chest out.
Speaker 10: But on the backside, Daxson have to come up and
Speaker 10: really diagnosis. So pre stap okay, cover two. Okay, that's
Speaker 10: safety is a little bit, a little bit deeper than
Speaker 10: the other. Okay, I'll keep my eye on it. Okay,
Speaker 10: I snapped the ball, now, what is it?
Speaker 8: Right?
Speaker 10: It doesn't become too much of a problem when I'm
Speaker 10: in my typical drop back, but it does become a
Speaker 10: problem when I'm in play action, because when I'm in
Speaker 10: play action, Okay, I'm diagnosed.
Speaker 8: Okay, so two is it? Four? Okay? I snapped the ball?
Speaker 10: Now I'm doing what as a quarterback, I'm turning my
Speaker 10: back to the coverage right. So when I turn my
Speaker 10: back to the coverage right, I have my pre snap.
Speaker 10: But now I don't get my post snap until I
Speaker 10: get my head back around, and I have to reevaluate
Speaker 10: what that defense is within what half a second to
Speaker 10: make my decision based upon what.
Speaker 8: I thought it was. So that's where he is terrible.
Speaker 8: It is terrible. It is terrible, But that's the reality.
Speaker 8: Will Yeah. So I was sitting there talking to my wife.
Speaker 10: Last night when I was watching film, and she's sitting
Speaker 10: there and and she's like, what do you what are
Speaker 10: you watching? I was watching the game, you know, and
Speaker 10: I'm like, man, I showed her one pass rush and
Speaker 10: she was like, man, why did he take someone?
Speaker 8: I said, who whaha whoa.
Speaker 10: I said, you have maybe two and a half seconds,
Speaker 10: Like maybe two and a half seconds. She looked at
Speaker 10: me like I was crazy. I was like, no, no,
Speaker 10: to count this out. Count this out, because on the
Speaker 10: play it looked like he had all day long. But
Speaker 10: in reality, Josh Allen ended up getting sacked on a
Speaker 10: two and a half second drop.
Speaker 8: I'm like, it comes at you fast.
Speaker 2: I mean, they put the clock on the Dallas defense
Speaker 2: getting after Daniel Jones and it was like two point three,
Speaker 2: and they had the clock on it on the NBC
Speaker 2: broadcast the other day. It's not too far off from
Speaker 2: this New York Jets front. And I think the secondary
Speaker 2: benefit from it. I mean, you've got a guy like
Speaker 2: Whitehead that had the three picks because of bad decisions,
Speaker 2: the decision making and confusing a quarterback that's gonna have
Speaker 2: to be honest reads this week.
Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, and one thing that Josh Allen did. And honestly,
Speaker 10: there's gonna be a huge opportunity for Dallas's defense as
Speaker 10: well because the Jets offense. I know we were ready
Speaker 10: hit on that yesterday, but these guys push everything down
Speaker 10: the field. Everything's way down the field like they want
Speaker 10: to sit back. And that's why I think there's gonna
Speaker 10: be another six or seven sack game for this defense.
Speaker 10: But the same thing with with Buffalo. They were pushing
Speaker 10: everything down the field. And that's not the weakness of
Speaker 10: this defense. The weakness of this defense is right in
Speaker 10: the middle of their defense because they're relying so heavily
Speaker 10: on mostly they were lying so heavily on Williams. At
Speaker 10: that second level, both of those guys are being asked
Speaker 10: to cover the entire middle of the field and they
Speaker 10: can't because they really want to play the run.
Speaker 5: So a lot of slant drags trying to get those
Speaker 5: guys out in space.
Speaker 8: Overs, overshit destroy these guys.
Speaker 10: Okay, that's what we talk so when we talk about
Speaker 10: be Cooks, right, that's what Bee Cooks does really well
Speaker 10: in this offense. At least that what we saw in preseason.
Speaker 10: What we saw at camp is a lot of over
Speaker 10: routes and week won Yeah, right, lots of over so
Speaker 10: overs ferguson. Okay, you should be killing them on a
Speaker 10: little post routes, you should be killing them on corner
Speaker 10: routes like all those type of things that's in that
Speaker 10: middle portion of the field, right, Shallows. It should be good,
Speaker 10: right if you can get those guys biting. Play action
Speaker 10: is going to be a real thing this week.
Speaker 5: So let me ask you, because I don't feel like
Speaker 5: any of this is successful without being able to utilize
Speaker 5: the play action, which means you gotta get the running
Speaker 5: You got run, ye, So how do you get the
Speaker 5: running game going?
Speaker 10: Yes, front like this, you're gonna have to I would
Speaker 10: come out personally in twelve personnel and it's just bully ball.
Speaker 8: You're big, you're strong, we know what you do, which
Speaker 8: you We're gonna get your moving thirteen person No, I'm
Speaker 8: not going thirty.
Speaker 5: They have a lot of plays in thirteen though on
Speaker 5: Sunday Night, on Sunday Night, but they are pulling Jake
Speaker 5: Ferguson and putting them in the sea gap and he's
Speaker 5: getting it done correct.
Speaker 2: I really like Jake Ferguson's ability to block and his
Speaker 2: willingness to willingness in this in this scheme and what
Speaker 2: he was able to do. Uh in that game on
Speaker 2: Sunday Night, plus New York offensively ran a lot of
Speaker 2: thirteen personnel. There's some some teams going back to that
Speaker 2: that heavy tight end package.
Speaker 6: To be able to try and push the balled it.
Speaker 8: I would go.
Speaker 10: I would go twelve, and I would not come out
Speaker 10: in a duce set. So a duce set is when
Speaker 10: you have just mim we have a tight end on
Speaker 10: each side right. I would put these guys more in
Speaker 10: a wing set, meaning that hey, I have one tight
Speaker 10: end on line of scrimmage, I have another tight end
Speaker 10: right in his hip pocket and the reason being because
Speaker 10: it gives you an ability to run your combo blocks.
Speaker 10: So you don't want to run straight down here with
Speaker 10: these guys. Don't don't. I mean you're going to have
Speaker 10: to try it, but the success rate is probably slimmed
Speaker 10: to none against these guys. They're just too big, they're
Speaker 10: too strong. This is what they do well. They want
Speaker 10: you to run at their face, like, come come down.
Speaker 10: I want you to come downhill. Right, I'm a two
Speaker 10: gap you. I'm gonna throw one guy one direction. I'm
Speaker 10: gonna get my arm out there, and then my linebackers
Speaker 10: are filling the gaps, right, They're gonna knock the crap
Speaker 10: out of your chin strap. So you want to get
Speaker 10: these guys moving sideways. The linemen don't do well moving sideways.
Speaker 10: But what happens is if you can't get off of
Speaker 10: the defensive linemen. Though again, Moseley and Williams are literally
Speaker 10: free flowing. I mean they're coming one hundred miles per
Speaker 10: hour and they're knocking the crap out of you at
Speaker 10: the line of scrimmage, if not behind the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 10: So if you have those combo blocks by your tight ends,
Speaker 10: now you can outflake the defensive line right, and your
Speaker 10: tight ends can now work up and seal those guys
Speaker 10: as they free flow. On the second level, now you
Speaker 10: have some lanes because those cornerbacks don't want to come
Speaker 10: up and hit. Those cornerbacks are playing out in coverage, right,
Speaker 10: you could run your guys off as if they're running
Speaker 10: a route and get them out the picture.
Speaker 8: And really have an opportunity to get some big plays
Speaker 8: on the ground.
Speaker 2: Williams had ten tackles in Sunday Night Football excuse me,
Speaker 2: Monday Night Football for the Jets, and he was ranked
Speaker 2: as the seventh out of seventy three linebackers. So I mean,
Speaker 2: the second level of that Jets defense is very good,
Speaker 2: but it's mostly because of what Quinn Williams is doing
Speaker 2: up run and how they're paving the way consuming John.
Speaker 2: When you look at the Jets defense and you've kind
Speaker 2: of done your study on them, how do they compare
Speaker 2: to some of the defenses that the Cowboys have seen
Speaker 2: in the past, because Giants had a solid front seven,
Speaker 2: but they didn't necessarily have the experience on the outside
Speaker 2: before that.
Speaker 4: You go back to San Francisco.
Speaker 2: Of course, San Francisco in the playoff game had a
Speaker 2: phenomenal defense and that's why they did what they did.
Speaker 4: In the last couple of years.
Speaker 2: But where do you think the Jets defense, now that
Speaker 2: you've kind of looked at it a little bit, kind
Speaker 2: of ranks along the lines of some of the past
Speaker 2: defense as Cowboys offenses have gone against.
Speaker 9: I think it's up there with all of them.
Speaker 7: And that's why it's going to be good to see
Speaker 7: because it is going to be that type of a
Speaker 7: playoff type defense that you're going against that Let's be honest,
Speaker 7: the last two times that the Cowboys were in the playoffs,
Speaker 7: they got sent home because they played probably the best
Speaker 7: defense in the NFL. And so I think there's a
Speaker 7: lot of us wondering, Okay, then how are they going
Speaker 7: to how are they going to do against one of
Speaker 7: these this type of test also coming off of a
Speaker 7: game that you can factor in a lot of first
Speaker 7: time Mike McCarthy is a play caller, sloppy weather, you're
Speaker 7: not going to have that you're inside, you're at home,
Speaker 7: you're gonna be pretty hyped up. I mean talking to
Speaker 7: Brandon Cooks at his locker after like the whole group left,
Speaker 7: you know, he's asked about like how much they even
Speaker 7: showed on offense, and he was like, no, no, no, we
Speaker 7: haven't really shown it. There's a lot that we haven't
Speaker 7: even come close to getting too yet. So going against
Speaker 7: an elite defense like this, like, I don't think they're
Speaker 7: San Francisco elite, but I think they're one of the best,
Speaker 7: one of the better defenses in the league. So just
Speaker 7: to see Dak and some of these wide receivers, seeing
Speaker 7: Jalen Tolbert, seeing the kind of success he can have.
Speaker 9: But I also wonder with a.
Speaker 7: Guy like like a Jordan Whitehead, you know, I think
Speaker 7: this is fifth or six year in the league, never
Speaker 7: had more than two picks in an entire season, and
Speaker 7: then he has three in one game. He is he
Speaker 7: had a hot handed he was he in the right
Speaker 7: place at the right time. Is that does that carry
Speaker 7: Does that carry over? And then there's Sauce Gardner back there,
Speaker 7: that that so, and then all this stuff. Obviously Isaiah said,
Speaker 7: there's just there's gonna be a lot of stuff to
Speaker 7: evaluate Dak off of this game, maybe more so than
Speaker 7: than the last game. So that's kind of excuse me,
Speaker 7: That's how I kind of look at it. It's just like,
Speaker 7: all right, this will give us a chance early on
Speaker 7: to see how this this offense will stack up against
Speaker 7: a defense that that's certainly going to be better than
Speaker 7: the Giants was.
Speaker 4: Would you say this is an elite defense that they're
Speaker 4: going up against.
Speaker 7: I think he has a chance to be Yeah, I
Speaker 7: mean it's super early, but I mean, yeah, there's a
Speaker 7: lot of question marks about their quarterback. But if they're
Speaker 7: going to have the type of success that they expect
Speaker 7: to have, well, let's say even if they had Aaron Rodgers,
Speaker 7: sure they weren't going to get to whatever level that
Speaker 7: they wanted to. Like, you know, if you're making picks
Speaker 7: at the end of the year, there's a lot of
Speaker 7: people that thought, you know, Jets could win that division,
Speaker 7: possibly the super Bowl. Yeah, Aaron Rodgers a big part
Speaker 7: of it, but it's also because of that defense, you know. So,
Speaker 7: like I said, it's not San Francisco's, it's not Dallas's.
Speaker 8: They should put them.
Speaker 10: They went into this season realizing that, hey, if we
Speaker 10: have a quarterback, we have a chance because our defense
Speaker 10: is so good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, would you put them up there with let's say,
Speaker 2: here's some of the San Francisco, Dallas, Philadelphia New England's
Speaker 2: defense is still legitimate. Yeah, Pittsburgh got a good defense,
Speaker 2: Washington's got a solid front seven, Miami's got a good defense,
Speaker 2: Baltimore always does.
Speaker 4: Would you put them up there kind of.
Speaker 2: With the the Eagles and the Cowboys and the forty nine.
Speaker 9: Team, it'd be like the next tier.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the second tier down.
Speaker 7: Yeah, but it's it's certainly close for sure. I look
Speaker 7: at the Cowboys even, I just think that there's just
Speaker 7: more playmakers on all three levels. So that's the only
Speaker 7: reason why I wouldn't put them there. But most of
Speaker 7: the times, anytime you have, you know, a defensive head coach,
Speaker 7: your defense is probably going to be pretty good, and
Speaker 7: if it's not, then that coach isn't gonna be very long.
Speaker 4: That's this is gonna be such a fun challenge for
Speaker 4: this offense.
Speaker 2: Like you said, the last two times they've been bounced
Speaker 2: from the playoffs, has been one of the.
Speaker 4: Best defenses in the NFL. Here's a great early look
Speaker 4: at it.
Speaker 2: And then you got a couple a couple more down
Speaker 2: the road with Philadelphia and forty nine ers and the
Speaker 2: Patriots and everything down the road as well, So it
Speaker 2: gets uh, it doesn't get much easier for this Cowboys
Speaker 2: offense to try and find that rhythm early in the.
Speaker 4: Season when we come back.
Speaker 2: Though, on talking Cowboys, who's the most polarizing figure in
Speaker 2: the NF right now without Aaron Rodgers and without Tom Brady. Plus,
Speaker 2: let's talk about Dak Prescott being the most tenured player
Speaker 2: in the NFL tenured quarterback, I should say in the
Speaker 2: NFL when we come back.
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Speaker 2: something from our old friend David Hellman, of course with
Speaker 2: Dallas Cowboys dot com, the former beat writer, good friend
Speaker 2: of John and Man. He's on this NFL on Fox podcast.
Speaker 2: We're really happy for Dave. He's doing phenomenal work out there.
Speaker 4: And he put up a a it was.
Speaker 2: A graphic and it was Dak Prescott is now the
Speaker 2: most tenured quarterback in the NFL. He's been with the
Speaker 2: team the longest He's continued to be with the Cowboys
Speaker 2: for the longest amount of time that any quarterback in
Speaker 2: the NFL has been with a certain team.
Speaker 4: Nick, does that give.
Speaker 2: Any sort of advantage whatsoever to being the most tenured.
Speaker 2: It's It's an interesting stat because it feels like just
Speaker 2: yesterday he was one of the young guns in the league.
Speaker 6: It is crazy. Whenever I saw that yesterday, I was like, wow,
Speaker 6: like you posted that gift.
Speaker 4: Of like Keenan Thomas.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, it's very much how I felt about it too.
Speaker 5: Advantage if there is, you could say, just experiencing and
Speaker 5: knowing what to expect when you walk in the building.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 6: Even let's look at Aaron Rodgers case.
Speaker 5: You know, he's had what was at eighteen years in
Speaker 5: Green Bay and then you know, walks into a new
Speaker 5: situation in New York, pretending he's healthy. Walking into a
Speaker 5: new situation in New York, He's having to get used
Speaker 5: to a new system, a new home stadium, you know,
Speaker 5: a new and new weapons around him. But you know,
Speaker 5: at the end of the day, he's still Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 5: He's going to have more experience than Dak Prescott. At
Speaker 5: the end of the day, he's going to be able
Speaker 5: to overcome that a lot quicker. So it's like, yeah,
Speaker 5: there's an advantage of just knowing what to expect when
Speaker 5: you walk in the door every Sunday, But I don't
Speaker 5: think it's one that decides win and losses.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think the biggest thing is just the Dallas
Speaker 7: Cowboys brand and everything that comes with being the Cowboys quarterback.
Speaker 9: To be experienced through that.
Speaker 7: I'll just use this saying that I've heard him say
Speaker 7: a bunch of that water off a duck's back, like
Speaker 7: allowing things to just move on. And he said that
Speaker 7: early in his career, and I'm sure that he did
Speaker 7: deal with it as well as pretty much anybody could.
Speaker 7: But then there's another thing of just like every year
Speaker 7: that goes by, there's just certain things that happened that
Speaker 7: you're gonna be able to handle better because you're like, yeah,
Speaker 7: I get it's I got to just deal with this,
Speaker 7: like I don't know, I'm just gonna let me think
Speaker 7: of oh, I don't know, like trading for a tree lance.
Speaker 7: You probably handle that a little bit better now than
Speaker 7: maybe you would have handled it earlier in his career.
Speaker 7: There's just a lot of stuff that comes with being
Speaker 7: the Cowboys quarterback. The thing I always say is that,
Speaker 7: like I don't believe Tom Brady wins seven Super Bowls
Speaker 7: if he's then his entire careers with the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 7: I just think that there's so many other things that
Speaker 7: come with it that I think they would. It's a
Speaker 7: lot for anybody mentally.
Speaker 9: Whatever.
Speaker 7: You can stay off social media and do all that,
Speaker 7: but there's still it's it's going to be.
Speaker 9: You can't live in a bubble. You know, There's always
Speaker 9: going to be stuff.
Speaker 7: That that you hear, and it's it's not the easiest
Speaker 7: to deal with. So yes, obviously to your point all
Speaker 7: the stuff on the field, but I think of even
Speaker 7: off the field stuff. I just being the Cowboys franchise
Speaker 7: quarterback is is just it's not for everybody, you know,
Speaker 7: it's it's there's more to it than than it is
Speaker 7: for a lot of the other organizations.
Speaker 5: How many Super Bowls does Tom Brady win if he's
Speaker 5: the quarterback of the Cowboys this whole career, thinking about
Speaker 5: the teams that he would have.
Speaker 9: Had, Okay, the entire time, including the time he was
Speaker 9: with the Bucks.
Speaker 6: Ye yeah, say your entire career three to five Okay,
Speaker 6: do you.
Speaker 4: Know what years seven? Uh seven?
Speaker 9: Maybe, yeah, that's a possibility. Fourteen sixteen, maybe that's tough.
Speaker 7: You got to be so bad in fifteen to get
Speaker 7: the drafts of sixteen, so maybe they never even get
Speaker 7: that down that level. Yeah, I know it's Bill Beljick
Speaker 7: could to come with him during all.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a good question, Mark too, Yeah, that would
Speaker 4: be nice. No he doesn't so.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and if there's no Bill, then yeah, I'm in
Speaker 7: that probably three to five ring.
Speaker 4: I could see that.
Speaker 9: It would be.
Speaker 7: Interesting to see Bill coaching with Jerry would be fascinating.
Speaker 2: Isaiah's like, I'm not going to say anything, You're going
Speaker 2: to stay off to the side here.
Speaker 4: What kind of the John's point?
Speaker 2: I mean, there's there's really not a more polarizing figure
Speaker 2: in sports. I mean, there are polarizing figures in sports around,
Speaker 2: but the quarterback for the Dallas Cowboys is always up
Speaker 2: toward the top of the list. And without Tom Brady,
Speaker 2: without now Aaron Rodgers active in twenty twenty three, where
Speaker 2: does Dak rank on that list in terms of the
Speaker 2: most polarizing individuals in sports? Because you could put up
Speaker 2: i mean Lebron on the NBA side, Kevin Durant, probably NBA.
Speaker 4: Side, Steph Curry, Steph Curry, Oh yeah, for sure, No doubt. Golf,
Speaker 4: there's not.
Speaker 2: I mean, Tiger has always been that guy, but is
Speaker 2: he that guy right this second? Probably not? Show Hey
Speaker 2: in baseball, that's about the only baseball guy you would get.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's tough, like Dak's up there in terms
Speaker 2: of those guys, maybe Joe Burrow now Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 4: I mean those guys are up there.
Speaker 9: Number one in the NFL.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, but I mean Dak as the quarterback for
Speaker 2: the Cowboys is always there.
Speaker 7: The eyes are on Dak though for this is Michael Parsons.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I could see that.
Speaker 5: I would put Tyreek above Dak right now, just with
Speaker 5: all the mess that he loves to talk and he
Speaker 5: backs it up.
Speaker 6: It's he's started to become kind of a figure down there.
Speaker 10: And we talked about polarizing, like I have to take
Speaker 10: the brand off of it. Why because the brand bears
Speaker 10: majority of the weight of the polarizing, of the polarization
Speaker 10: in regards to Dak.
Speaker 4: That's fair because the Cowboys are the most polarizing in
Speaker 4: the NFL.
Speaker 10: All those other individuals you mentioned they're polarizing, and their
Speaker 10: media follows them because them, Yeah, and then what they've done.
Speaker 10: So from that regard, I think the brand bears more
Speaker 10: polarizing weight on Dak than Dak does on the brand.
Speaker 10: Tyreek Hill made a brand for himself. He don't matter
Speaker 10: where he goes. Patrick Mahone in freaking Kansas City. You know,
Speaker 10: we got Burrow, He's in Cincinnati, you know. Lebron doesn't
Speaker 10: matter where he goes, you know, So he's not about
Speaker 10: some of these guys. I guess the player that you're following.
Speaker 10: I don't know if Dak's hit that yet, but he
Speaker 10: has a great chance to this year.
Speaker 7: I mean, he's already in that spot of you know,
Speaker 7: he can retire after the season and if he wants
Speaker 7: one of those top TV jobs, he's getting it.
Speaker 8: Yeah, you know.
Speaker 7: I mean that's just that's one of those it's those
Speaker 7: that cowboys slash, you know, like all the former players
Speaker 7: and stuff with like Duke, that they get all these
Speaker 7: TV jobs and.
Speaker 9: Things like that.
Speaker 7: And the reason I bring that up is because sometimes
Speaker 7: you're even more you become even more known for that
Speaker 7: than you were even from your your playing days. So
Speaker 7: when the polarizing part. I do agree with you on
Speaker 7: that the Cowboys brand. There's good and bad with it,
Speaker 7: you know, like like I sit there and I say, oh,
Speaker 7: you know, you know, he's had a lot to deal
Speaker 7: with whatever. Cowboys brand has also made him a lot
Speaker 7: of money, to know what I'm saying, Like, uh so there,
Speaker 7: you know, there's the give and take of that. But
Speaker 7: I just think he's just wired the right way to
Speaker 7: hand to handle that. That's why I don't know, it
Speaker 7: had been kind of interesting. I know it's not good
Speaker 7: for the Cowboys probably if he did this, But after
Speaker 7: getting done watching that Quarterback series of Netflix, I would
Speaker 7: have kind of liked to see dak On there just
Speaker 7: to see because there's a lot of off the field
Speaker 7: stuff like being back at home and things like that.
Speaker 7: I think they did a great job on it from
Speaker 7: three different quarterback perspectives in that, but it would be
Speaker 7: interesting to see.
Speaker 9: How the Cowboys.
Speaker 7: But then, you know, when he's asked about it, he
Speaker 7: was like, yeah, no, we get enough coverage here, you
Speaker 7: know the Cowboys, which is true.
Speaker 4: Which is very very true.
Speaker 2: And I think we've talked about this enough and and
Speaker 2: by we I mean just Cowboys Nation, Like there's there's
Speaker 2: very few quarterbacks that could handle this job as well
Speaker 2: as Dak Prescott does. There are very few guys that
Speaker 2: can handle that level of pressure, that level of intensity
Speaker 2: from a fan base that is as passionate as the Cowboys,
Speaker 2: and that's what makes it great. That's what makes Cowboys
Speaker 2: Nation great is the fact that they are passionate about it.
Speaker 2: But it does bring some ups in and bring some downs,
Speaker 2: and he's got to be able to ride the wave
Speaker 2: with it.
Speaker 7: Hey, the way his face looked and just the way
Speaker 7: he answered those questions on that pre game interview with
Speaker 7: Melissa Stark, like it was like locked in. Yeah, we're
Speaker 7: not We're not doing any type of ads right now.
Speaker 4: Did you like that Campbell? Like it was like he
Speaker 4: Isaiah can he can?
Speaker 7: Uh?
Speaker 8: I wasn't. I was irritated by that, Yeah he.
Speaker 2: Can, he can, attest to it. I was sitting there,
Speaker 2: I was I was not happy.
Speaker 6: It was weird.
Speaker 8: Like I get that TV is TV and they have
Speaker 8: you know, yeah, but like, come on, he's that work.
Speaker 8: He's at work at work.
Speaker 4: It's like the locked in that's a sacred times.
Speaker 8: This is not preseason.
Speaker 10: No, it's not preseason where you're trying to you know,
Speaker 10: kill time, and no, this is he has prepared all
Speaker 10: week for this opportunity.
Speaker 9: Like, get he looks like he was ready to go.
Speaker 10: Yeah you got you go postgame for that. Yeah you
Speaker 10: got postgame for that. Go talk to coach as he's
Speaker 10: coming out of the tunnel. He has obligation to do
Speaker 10: that. That sounds that's contractual, right, But talking.
Speaker 2: To a coach is different than talking to your franchise
Speaker 2: quarterback seconds before he takes the field. Now that that
Speaker 2: that specific interview was pre recorded, I don't know.
Speaker 4: I mean, just to pull the curtain back.
Speaker 2: That was not a live interview right as they were
Speaker 2: about to walk on to the field. It was probably
Speaker 2: twenty men and a's prior to that, It was probably
Speaker 2: before they went back into the locker room. But still,
Speaker 2: like that's pregame stretching.
Speaker 4: That should be a no touch zone.
Speaker 8: I should player. I don't like it.
Speaker 4: I'll say that that should be offline.
Speaker 7: Yeah I'm not even as a member of the media,
Speaker 7: I shouldn't says, but like I'm even good with if
Speaker 7: you don't do the coaches either, Yeah, I really, I mean,
Speaker 7: and I guess I'm not thinking about it as much
Speaker 7: from the NFL. I think for me, it's more just
Speaker 7: like NBA playoff games, like you just so rarely get
Speaker 7: anything that you're even like, WHOA, Okay, well that's what
Speaker 7: they're doing. Like it's just like they're a miserable miserable
Speaker 7: to a certain extent that they have to do it.
Speaker 7: But they're also like a lot of these coaches, this
Speaker 7: is maybe the only chance they're going to be in
Speaker 7: like this deep in the playoffs and things like, I
Speaker 7: don't know, like I've just and like I said, you
Speaker 7: rarely the return on investment is generally not great. I mean,
Speaker 7: it's got to the point in the NBA where one
Speaker 7: of the most talked about ones is just the fact
Speaker 7: of how Greg Popovich blows off the reporter. You know,
Speaker 7: it's not even about like did you get anything, it's
Speaker 7: just that, oh, look at how entertaining that is. Like
Speaker 7: he totally made that reporter look like an idiot, and
Speaker 7: you're just like, well, why is this even being done anymore?
Speaker 5: You know, it's a pop And then Quinn Snyder, the
Speaker 5: head coach for the Atlanta Hawks, he always like the interview, Yeah,
Speaker 5: that's starting to.
Speaker 4: Pay Nothing ever good comes out of it.
Speaker 8: On just put a count to it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I tried one time. It's impossible. Like that's how
Speaker 5: fast he's blinking during an interview.
Speaker 7: So Jason Whitney has been the one in previous years
Speaker 7: that before some of those sudden that games is the
Speaker 7: one that did an interview. And that's the most like
Speaker 7: because Jason Witten it like that, very very media friendly,
Speaker 7: but that's the most I've ever seen him be like, Yeah,
Speaker 7: I'm I'll give you these answers, but I really just
Speaker 7: want to run away from this as soon as possible.
Speaker 7: I don't want to be here right now. But yeah,
Speaker 7: it's it's rough.
Speaker 2: I mean, John tweeted out a video of me last
Speaker 2: year with Mike McCarthy and Denver.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was that was a part.
Speaker 2: I mean, that was that was my learning opportunity with
Speaker 2: with that whole situation. But yeah, I mean, things happen
Speaker 2: and you gotta you gotta roll with the punches. Both
Speaker 2: from a media stame kind of job, so from a
Speaker 2: player standpoint, you both have a job to do and
Speaker 2: you got to get through it.
Speaker 4: But I just didn't like it.
Speaker 2: Pregame, halftime and postgame all you want, but pregame, especially
Speaker 2: with the franchise quarterback.
Speaker 4: Let's not do that. Let's not do that.
Speaker 8: NBC.
Speaker 2: All right, when we well, we're done for the day.
Speaker 2: How about that it flew by. I thought we had
Speaker 2: one more segment left. I'm trying to keep John around.
Speaker 2: I want to get his predictions. That's gonna do it
Speaker 2: for us tomorrow. Say it with your chest, Friday, bring
Speaker 2: the energy. We'll give our pick'ems. We'll already have John's
Speaker 2: in the bank and we will get you ready for
Speaker 2: the Week two matchup with the New York Jets. For
Speaker 2: Chris Beam in the back, Isaiah standback, John Machoda, Nick Harris, i'
Speaker 2: Kyle Yomen saying so long from the Star in Frisco.
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