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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Podcast, your guide to

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. This week on

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Speaker 2: the show, I'm joined by Steve Bartilla to break down

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Speaker 2: his best advice for hunting the second half November and

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Speaker 2: the late season. All right, welcome to the Wired to

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Speaker 2: And what else is pretty darn cool is the fact

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Speaker 2: that today we have a terrific guest. We have one

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Speaker 2: of my favorite guests that we've ever had on the show,

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Speaker 2: and this is Steve Bartilla. He's someone who has been

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Speaker 2: on over the years. He brings a wealth of knowledge

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Speaker 2: to the table. He is a very very experienced deer hunter.

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Speaker 2: Land manager and consultant and writer. He's appeared in the

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Speaker 2: pages of many deer hunting magazines. I'm sure you've read

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Speaker 2: his work, and he's a great communicator. He's fun to

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Speaker 2: listen to, and he really knows what he's talking about.

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Speaker 2: And today the topic we're tackling is how to find

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Speaker 2: success in the second half of the season, because that's

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Speaker 2: kind of where we're at. I always look at November

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Speaker 2: fifteenth as that middle point, that's like the halftime of

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Speaker 2: the season, and as me and Steve discuss, there's sometimes

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Speaker 2: a certain amount of pressure that comes with them. I

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Speaker 2: kind of feel like once November fifteen hits, man, it's

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Speaker 2: different after that. And that's especially so here where I

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Speaker 2: live in Michigan because opening they have gun season is

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Speaker 2: November fifteenth. But I think even if you're in a

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Speaker 2: different state without that gun season, things just feel different

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Speaker 2: back half of November, back half of the fall. And

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Speaker 2: so what I wanted to have Steve help us discuss

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Speaker 2: is what exactly does that mean? Is it all downhill

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Speaker 2: from here? Are our best chances all in the rear

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Speaker 2: are right now or not? Are there still some good

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Speaker 2: things coming. I believe there are still some good things coming,

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Speaker 2: and that's what we talk about. We break down a

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Speaker 2: whole bunch of different, very specific ideas Steve has for

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Speaker 2: hunting the two last weeks in November. So if you

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Speaker 2: are listening to this right when it drops on November sixteenth,

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Speaker 2: we're going to talk through specific things for the next week,

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Speaker 2: some other ideas for the last week in November, and

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Speaker 2: then a whole bunch about general late season hunting. What

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Speaker 2: to do once December rolls around. How can we make

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Speaker 2: the most of these final weeks and months of the season.

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Speaker 2: It's a good one, lots to share. Steve brings a

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Speaker 2: lot to the table, and I guess the one other

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Speaker 2: thing I would say is the mental side of things.

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Speaker 2: It might be the hardest at this point of the year,

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Speaker 2: because if you're like me, you've been going at it

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Speaker 2: pretty hard. Maybe your season started in September and maybe

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Speaker 2: you're hunting all through October chasing that deer or trying

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Speaker 2: and you grind. You were grinding through the first week

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Speaker 2: lot of all day sits. Maybe you've had some opportunities,

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Speaker 2: I don't know, this weight that comes with this time

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Speaker 2: A big missed opportunity, as we talked about a week

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Speaker 2: And I'm trying to I'm trying to move past that,

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Speaker 2: take a week off, whatever it is. Do whatever you

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Speaker 2: that happens in the woods. But if you're coming off

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Speaker 2: are probably worn down. You are probably beaten down to

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Speaker 2: a pulp. I know I am whooped right now. I'm

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Speaker 2: physically and mentally whooped, and I needed today. So today

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Speaker 2: and I'm gonna spend some time with them. I'm taking

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Speaker 2: a day here in the middle of November to reset,

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Speaker 2: to regroup, and then I think once I get back

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Speaker 2: as Steve and I discussed, there's good reason to feel

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Speaker 2: better because deer are still doing ruddy things in the

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Speaker 2: back half of November. Even if you've got a gun

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Speaker 2: still chasing, seeking, desperately trying to find a doll. All

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Speaker 2: that good stuff that you were excited about on November

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Speaker 2: the right way to approach it. So, without any further ado,

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Speaker 2: I want to get to Steve Bartilla talking about second

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Speaker 2: half of November, deer hunting strategies and how to keep

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Speaker 2: the good times rolling in December and beyond. Here we go,

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Speaker 2: returning guest, a fan favorite. We've got Steve Bartilla. Steve,

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Speaker 2: thank you so much for doing this it.

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Speaker 3: Mark is absolutely always my pleasure these things I find,

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Speaker 3: and frankly, anytime, anytime we can go ahead and try to,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with that. Well, you've been on the

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Speaker 2: show probably three or four times in the past, I

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Speaker 2: think now, and I know for sure that every single

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Speaker 2: one of those you have done that you have helped

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Speaker 2: know that's going to happen again to day.

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Speaker 3: Oh hey, and I since we're sitting there patting each

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Speaker 3: appreciate what you do out there too. Now we actually

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Speaker 3: But I'll tell you what, when a person can actually

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Speaker 3: honestly try to help those who threw on their shoulders

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Speaker 2: Yeah, very very true. So with that being the case,

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Speaker 2: then I guess, Steve, if we're trying to help folks today,

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Speaker 2: this is November when we're talking, and all of us

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Speaker 2: right into today's topic. And today's topic, Steve, is the

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Speaker 2: And when that day hits I don't know how you feel, Steve,

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Speaker 3: having that October lull, which is kind of a misnomer,

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Speaker 3: breeding phase, and man, a whole bunch of these animals

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Speaker 3: means that we're pretty much right at that we're looking at.

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Speaker 3: everybody in the world out there talks about the rock.

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Speaker 3: I mean, geez, during breeding, you got all these bucks

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Speaker 3: running around. They're showing up from anywhere. But I'm sorry,

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Speaker 3: You see shifting within that ground. But i'llthing, what these

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Speaker 3: Well, it's going to depend a lot on circumstances. Quite honestly,

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Speaker 3: hitting at night in the afternoons. You know, I might

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00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 3: be set back on a staging plot just fifteen to

430
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:08,040
Speaker 3: twenty yards fifty yards into the woods off of that.

431
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 3: So for the moment, if I'm just generically hunting, I'm

432
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:16,320
Speaker 3: still hunting the rock just like I mean, go ahead

433
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 3: and pick up any magazine out there, and we'll be

434
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:21,120
Speaker 3: an Ardle on the rut and it'll be a generic

435
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 3: This is how you hunt or that's how I'm hunting

436
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 3: the rock. Yeah, I'm hunting to the specific buck.

437
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 2: So quick quick interjection here, what if at that time

438
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:35,119
Speaker 2: of the year, so in the fifteenth of the twenty second,

439
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:40,200
Speaker 2: what if you get the sense that lockdown is underway.

440
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:42,639
Speaker 2: So what if you get the sense like you're hunting

441
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:45,639
Speaker 2: downwind of dough betting airs or you're hunting funnels and

442
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 2: these are historically good rut spots and you are seeing nothing.

443
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:51,879
Speaker 2: It's crickets. You're seeing a few loan dough fawns or

444
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:54,840
Speaker 2: a few loan fawns, and you know there's been no

445
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 2: cruising bucks for the last two days. And you're hearing

446
00:27:57,800 --> 00:27:59,679
Speaker 2: from all your buddies like a man, sure seems like

447
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:02,160
Speaker 2: there's there's gotta be some lockdown. And maybe you saw

448
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 2: one buck lockdown with a dough off in the distance,

449
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 2: and everything's telling you, like, man, it seems like that's happening.

450
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 2: Is there anything unique that you do, Steve when you

451
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:13,720
Speaker 2: think that is the case, or is it still exactly

452
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 2: the same game plan you just said and you're just

453
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:16,679
Speaker 2: waiting for them to break up.

454
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:20,160
Speaker 3: I'm grinding a note. If you look, if you look

455
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:23,399
Speaker 3: at study after study when it comes to when it

456
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:27,040
Speaker 3: comes to who's sired, who sired those fons from that

457
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 3: dome something like, I don't know, fifty percent of all

458
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 3: twins are sired by two different bucks. And then you

459
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 3: look at radio telemetry studies on bucks during lockdown, they

460
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:49,480
Speaker 3: average spend about Now I'm not saying the dough is

461
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:52,360
Speaker 3: only an estress for this long time, but and in

462
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 3: other bucks chasing them off other bucks, stealing the dough,

463
00:28:56,680 --> 00:29:01,000
Speaker 3: all that good stuff, them not finding them right away. Averages,

464
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 3: they're spending about eight hours with them, So that means

465
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 3: for that eight hours, yeah, they're taking off the board,

466
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:11,479
Speaker 3: but I don't know when that eight hours is, and

467
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:15,480
Speaker 3: I don't know when he's going to break loose from

468
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 3: there about the there's only two ways that I know

469
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 3: that I've had any success at grinding this out, and

470
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 3: that is first just grinding it out. Things that he's

471
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:29,960
Speaker 3: gonna break loose. He's gonna come through here again. He

472
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 3: still wants to breathe no, but it's just not as

473
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 3: fast and furious and as man this is awesome as

474
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:42,720
Speaker 3: it is that first week in November, for example, up here.

475
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 3: The other thing, the other thing that I mean, this

476
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 3: is kind of getting off a little bit of a tangent.

477
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 3: But we have this belief that bucks are leading doze

478
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 3: or doze are leading bucks around by the nose all

479
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:04,000
Speaker 3: over out in the deer woods during the ruck. I

480
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 3: think that is true to an extent up until that,

481
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 3: especially when you're talking to mature buck. Up until that

482
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:16,960
Speaker 3: mature buck. Okay, she's no longer on the cusp of estris.

483
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 3: She's an estress, and he actually has her locked down.

484
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 3: When he locks her down, I've seen it way too

485
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 3: dang many times to believe any differently. She is no

486
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:35,160
Speaker 3: longer telling him where to go. He is actually taking

487
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 3: his times and jamming them in her side when she

488
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 3: goes the wrong way, and he is literally forcing her

489
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:47,560
Speaker 3: where he wants her. And where does he want her.

490
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 3: He wants her out in the middle of that wide

491
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 3: open alfalpha field. He wants her up on that huge

492
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:58,800
Speaker 3: point that deer have no reason to go all the

493
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:01,959
Speaker 3: way to the top of that. He wants her in

494
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 3: places that he can protect her. He doesn't want her

495
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 3: wandering around the woods like she normally does, because she

496
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:14,720
Speaker 3: is going to attract every single buck out there that

497
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 3: smells her. That is not already on a dough. Okay,

498
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 3: So if if and this is a huge if, I

499
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 3: mean I've been able to pull it off three four

500
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 3: times my entire hunting life. If you know where those

501
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 3: bucks hand to drive those domes, that is a really

502
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 3: good place to be during lockdown. But figuring out that

503
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 3: is where that is is actually the whole key. Now,

504
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 3: obviously hunting the middle of that wide open field that

505
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 3: at noon you're driving down the highway. You look out there.

506
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 3: Holy man, that's one hundred and sixty inch buck out

507
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 3: in the middle. Oh, there's a no bed. Buy it now.

508
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:03,960
Speaker 3: I'll tell you what. If it's perfectly flat, good luck

509
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 3: trying to kill that thing while he's on it. If

510
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 3: there's some cover, maybe you can low crawl out there.

511
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 3: When I'm actually really those specifically, is those things like

512
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 3: hunting Buffalo County, Wisconsin, You've got some huge relief. And

513
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:22,800
Speaker 3: I can guarantee you that there are three spots even

514
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 3: though I haven't been I haven't hunted grounds I'm going

515
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 3: to talk about right now in ten plus years, I

516
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 3: guarantee that I know three spots that breeding occur in

517
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:35,960
Speaker 3: this year in Buffalo County. If you can find I

518
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 3: mean talking specific within this ten acre area right here,

519
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 3: those were bred. If you can find a spot like that,

520
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 3: that is a great place to be. The problem is,

521
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 3: is I said, good luck. I don't know how you

522
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 3: scout to find where they where they've drive deer except

523
00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 3: for through observation and scouting cameras and also thinking of Okay,

524
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 3: where's the most ridiculous place a buck could be in

525
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 3: the world right now? And that might not be a

526
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 3: bad place to go check out.

527
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:16,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you see a buck in that situation, Steve,

528
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:19,480
Speaker 2: where you see a buck that's that's got a dough

529
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 2: locked down, he's kind of pushing her around, you know,

530
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 2: you can see the whole thing playing out, you know, like, oh,

531
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 2: there's some satellite bucks kind of circling and you know,

532
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:30,840
Speaker 2: maybe you see him go into a little brushy pothole

533
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 2: or something and you can tell they're in there still,

534
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 2: do you. I know you mentioned you could try to

535
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 2: slip in on one if there was relief or something

536
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 2: like that. But is there ever a situation where it

537
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 2: could actually work to call a buck off of a

538
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 2: dough if it's close. Is there ever any kind of

539
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:50,360
Speaker 2: other aggressive move you could take or any other tactic

540
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 2: that is worth trying at this point, other than just

541
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 2: getting as close as possible.

542
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:58,239
Speaker 3: The only thing I have ever got to work in

543
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 3: that situation in my entire hunting life, is to take

544
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 3: my lower lept, pinch it against my upper teeth, and

545
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 3: spit all over myself three times once in a blue moon.

546
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:18,280
Speaker 3: That'll work. But here's the problem with that. He wants

547
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 3: that dough. He wants that dough. I mean, go ahead

548
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 3: and throw some dough calls at him. Okay, I have

549
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 3: an estress dough, so why would I leave her for

550
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 3: another estra. No, that doesn't make any sense, and I've

551
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:40,920
Speaker 3: never had that work once. Try grunting at him. He

552
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 3: doesn't want to go interact with that other buck right now.

553
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 3: He has what he wants. So if anything that buck,

554
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:55,719
Speaker 3: grunt tend stuff make him want to go the spit

555
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 3: doll over yourself three times fast. What that does is

556
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:03,759
Speaker 3: it challenges him. Now he doesn't want to fight, but

557
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:09,439
Speaker 3: he may be tricked into believing that, man, I better

558
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:13,720
Speaker 3: throw down right now or this girl's gone. That said,

559
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:17,960
Speaker 3: the problem, and a lot of people have noticed when

560
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:20,880
Speaker 3: it comes to stuff like this, want to talk about

561
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:25,279
Speaker 3: the problems. The problem with that as I said, he

562
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 3: already has exactly what he wants. And when you do

563
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:33,640
Speaker 3: that and she goes running that other way, guess who's

564
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:37,920
Speaker 3: gonna follow her. So I'll tell you what about the

565
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 3: only when it comes to this is just a side

566
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 3: tangent freedy. When it comes to hunting, heavily pressured you,

567
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:52,920
Speaker 3: whether that's public ground or public private ground. Heck, quite honestly,

568
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:55,839
Speaker 3: a lot of outfitters grounds are pressured way more than

569
00:35:55,840 --> 00:36:03,800
Speaker 3: any public ground never will be but pressured situations. I'll

570
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:06,920
Speaker 3: tell you what. I barely do any calling a rattle andever,

571
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:11,239
Speaker 3: the only scenario I ever do is when I am

572
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:14,319
Speaker 3: thoroughly convinced that buck is headed that way and I'm

573
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:16,840
Speaker 3: never gonna see him again, and he is not coming

574
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 3: back naturally under any circumstances, then I'll go ahead and

575
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:26,719
Speaker 3: try doing some calling, and you know what when he

576
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:29,400
Speaker 3: ends up heading the other way. Because I mean, so

577
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:33,360
Speaker 3: much of this is just common dark sense. Calling and

578
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 3: rattling are so you cannot turn on a television show

579
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:42,359
Speaker 3: or hunting show, watch hunting channel for three hours and

580
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 3: not see somebody doing some calling and rattling and going

581
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 3: ahead and oh there's big slob and pretending the only

582
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:51,239
Speaker 3: reason they killed it was because of this fancy new

583
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:55,840
Speaker 3: call or these great rattling antlers here. Yeah, great, awesome.

584
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:58,719
Speaker 3: And I'm not saying that every time that's pure blooney,

585
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 3: but a whole bunch of times. Is The thing of

586
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:07,399
Speaker 3: it is, though, is as I said, you do those

587
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:11,840
Speaker 3: types of aggressive tactics on a buck that happens to

588
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:15,320
Speaker 3: already have what he wants, or one that's really pressured,

589
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 3: and you might as well just jump up and down

590
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:21,319
Speaker 3: and your standing the screen as you're waving your arms.

591
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:23,400
Speaker 3: Hey idiot, look at me. Don't come over here or

592
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 3: I'll kill you.

593
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:31,239
Speaker 2: Yeah. Do you do you find, Steve that calling works

594
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:33,719
Speaker 2: less in the second half of the month of the

595
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 2: month because maybe there's been more hunt right, there's been

596
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,360
Speaker 2: more hunting pressure, that hunters have been trying the calls

597
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:41,760
Speaker 2: and rattling all that for two weeks of November already,

598
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:44,840
Speaker 2: plus deer have been kind of ran through the ringer

599
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 2: already by the time they get to the second half

600
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 2: of November. So is there any kind of reduction in

601
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:51,960
Speaker 2: the possibility of that working or is it just the

602
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 2: same almost.

603
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 3: I would I'll be brutally honest with you, I have

604
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 3: not sat there and ran the numbers on what we're

605
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 3: talking about. But what you're saying fits what I believe.

606
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 3: That is the more times a buck here's a call,

607
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:12,719
Speaker 3: here's a way. And now I'm not saying that, I'm

608
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 3: not saying that bucks don't hear grunts. The deer what

609
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 3: do they do all the daytime. I'm not pretending that

610
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 3: just sitting there hitting a grunt is going to scare

611
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 3: the heck. But the more they hear this type of stuff,

612
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:28,279
Speaker 3: it doesn't matter if you're using decoys, it doesn't matter.

613
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:30,400
Speaker 3: If we're talking scent, it doesn't matter if we're talking

614
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 3: rattling and calling anything that is meant to attract deer.

615
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 3: Every single time that it doesn't or it doesn't, it

616
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 3: does not work out for the hunter. Theyns of what

617
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 3: work and the next time just went down. I mean

618
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 3: that to me as I said, that's just common sense. Okay.

619
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 3: So the deeper if you're talking pressure ground, you darn right,

620
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 3: the deeper you get in the season, the less I'm

621
00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:02,399
Speaker 3: doing any of that type of stuff now on Utopia's

622
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:06,440
Speaker 3: and I am exceptionally lucky to be able to hunt

623
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 3: the utopias that I manage on there that total we

624
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:17,800
Speaker 3: ate in Kansas no more. But that's a comple there's

625
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 3: really well. And here's another side note. One of the

626
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:24,399
Speaker 3: best things hunters can do when going in to hunt

627
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 3: a new situation simply ask themselves how much pressure does

628
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:33,919
Speaker 3: this area receive and gauge your tactics, not exclusively, but

629
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 3: predominantly on the amount of pressure that area simply receives

630
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:41,720
Speaker 3: if it does not, if it does not receive much pressure,

631
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:44,719
Speaker 3: I can essentially take two arrows and go like this,

632
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:48,360
Speaker 3: And odds are I might odds are not horrible that

633
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 3: I'll rattle in a deer. Non pressured animals are not

634
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:55,800
Speaker 3: the same as those that are run through the ringer.

635
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:59,240
Speaker 3: That they just aren't. And hunting both of them most

636
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 3: every season, no one will convince me any differently. You

637
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:08,440
Speaker 3: can get away with so ridiculously much more on stupid

638
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:10,439
Speaker 3: deer than you can on deer that are hunted hard.

639
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 3: That's just plain reality. And along those lines, anybody who's

640
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:20,799
Speaker 3: listening to this stuff that's hunting pummeled ground. If you're

641
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:26,360
Speaker 3: if you're being consistently successful, don't you dare feel inferior

642
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:31,240
Speaker 3: to any idiot like me, period Because you're earning any

643
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 3: every darn bit of success you're getting, and most idiots,

644
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:39,720
Speaker 3: like me, we hunt. You don't be exclusively now I don't,

645
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:45,000
Speaker 3: but hopefully what I just got done, I just as

646
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:47,920
Speaker 3: we were talking before this, I just got done putting

647
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:51,840
Speaker 3: in a really super hard three hours of this season.

648
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:54,279
Speaker 3: I hunting one buck before I was able to kill it.

649
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 3: And the first two hours and fifteen minutes we're a

650
00:40:57,719 --> 00:40:59,839
Speaker 3: throwaway hunt that I was just trying to make sure

651
00:40:59,880 --> 00:41:03,279
Speaker 3: that I had everything perfect in this situation. Really, I

652
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 3: hunted him for forty five minutes. It doesn't I'm not

653
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:10,399
Speaker 3: pretending that on Utopia asn't work so like that very

654
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:14,400
Speaker 3: often it doesn't. But I'm telling you it is a

655
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:19,439
Speaker 3: completely different world that you're seeing on TV than most

656
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 3: people are hunting.

657
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:27,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, that is absolutely what I've seen too, Steve.

658
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:33,279
Speaker 2: We're definitely tracking here. Now that said, let's bump all

659
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 2: this up one week further down the line. Now it's

660
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:40,759
Speaker 2: November twenty third through the thirtieth. Now is is the

661
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:43,319
Speaker 2: game plan the same or does something change? This last

662
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 2: week of November now is.

663
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 3: When I'm starting to switch more towards my late season

664
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:50,839
Speaker 3: tactics and As I mentioned earlier, that's morning hunting. I'm

665
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:54,120
Speaker 3: looking for the healthiest, most defining doe betting group I

666
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:58,360
Speaker 3: can possibly find out there. I want that there's dominance

667
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 3: within the doe communities you've been as much as within

668
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:06,320
Speaker 3: the buck community. I want that dominant do community, especially

669
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:10,319
Speaker 3: if it has that nice defined betting area. A whole

670
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 3: bunch of this is another one of the things that

671
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:17,799
Speaker 3: I'm guilty is anyone on this talking about hunting the

672
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 3: down wind sides of the dough betting. Well, that works

673
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:22,520
Speaker 3: great when you happen to have a seedar thicket like this,

674
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 3: you know that's going ahead and surrounded by mature woods,

675
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:30,280
Speaker 3: or happen to have a meadow like this that's surrounded

676
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:36,520
Speaker 3: by mature standupines, whatever. But a lot of times it's

677
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 3: just they bed in this area. When that's the case,

678
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:43,239
Speaker 3: what I'm about to describe doesn't work very anywhere near

679
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:47,960
Speaker 3: as effectively. What I'm looking for late season in the

680
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 3: mornings are the most dominant dough group I can find

681
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:54,719
Speaker 3: with the most well defined betting area. With a reasonably

682
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:58,720
Speaker 3: well defined betting area, I'm gonna hunt the downwind sides

683
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 3: of those in the morning, and if I'm getting good action.

684
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 3: I'm gonna sit there all day day. There's there's a

685
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:11,920
Speaker 3: handful of spots in the grounds I've managed over the

686
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:16,719
Speaker 3: years that I can bank, I mean literally bank on

687
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:23,800
Speaker 3: someday in either that last week in November or sometime

688
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:29,400
Speaker 3: during December, that every stink and mature buck in that

689
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:32,240
Speaker 3: entire area is going to show up on this camera

690
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 3: right here, that's outside of that nobetting area. Why it

691
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 3: happens to be an asteris dopon in there that day.

692
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:42,759
Speaker 3: And when you when you are in a stand like

693
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 3: that in the morning, yeah, we're not talking peak rut

694
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 3: no more. No one's doing all days since during late

695
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:53,719
Speaker 3: season unless it happened to be in a situation like that.

696
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:57,720
Speaker 3: If you're there and those bucks are active in the morning,

697
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 3: you just keep the rule I try to use when

698
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:04,120
Speaker 3: morning hunting situations like this is the two hour rule.

699
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 3: I ain't gonna leave unless I go at least two

700
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:09,799
Speaker 3: hours without seeing a single buck. If I go two

701
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:13,480
Speaker 3: hours without seeing a single buck after eight thirty in

702
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:17,719
Speaker 3: the morning, all right, ten thirty, I'm gonna bail. But

703
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:20,239
Speaker 3: a lot of when you hit it right to just

704
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 3: I know I'm laboring this point but when you hit

705
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:29,240
Speaker 3: it right, when that dofon happens to be an estress,

706
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:32,120
Speaker 3: stick it out, because you are going to be in

707
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 3: form even more fun hunt than you've had in the

708
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:42,239
Speaker 3: peak rupt because there's one, there's one dofont, maybe two

709
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 3: in this entire area that happens to be an estress

710
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 3: right now, instead of twenty thirty forty in this entire

711
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 3: area that happens to be an estress. When you're dealing

712
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 3: one or two, they get a lot of attention. So

713
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:04,360
Speaker 3: I'm starting in the mornings by if I'm morning hunting,

714
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 3: headed to the down wind side of those dough betting

715
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:12,280
Speaker 3: areas during that last week in November, and quite frankly,

716
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:16,319
Speaker 3: almost all the way on through seasons. Then in the

717
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 3: afternoons headed to the prime food sources because that's where

718
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:25,440
Speaker 3: a they need food. Now, they went through that that

719
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 3: humongous weight drop, and guess where the dolphins are going

720
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 3: to be half hour before dark? This really I I

721
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:37,879
Speaker 3: hate to say this because in some ways it is,

722
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:41,320
Speaker 3: but in so many ways the stuff ain't rocket science.

723
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 3: Figure out what the heck the buck wants and put

724
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:49,640
Speaker 3: yourself there before he goes gets it.

725
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:51,440
Speaker 2: It's hard argue with that.

726
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 3: That's that would be my that is my approach the

727
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 3: last week in November in the Midwest and points north.

728
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 2: Okay, So there's one curveball that could possibly interrupt this

729
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:08,080
Speaker 2: game plenty you've just discussed, which could be if you

730
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 2: are hunting in the state where gun season comes in

731
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 2: during that two week window. If I have a gun season,

732
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:16,239
Speaker 2: like here in my home state of Michigan, my gun

733
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:19,319
Speaker 2: season opens November fifteenth, yep, So I feel like that

734
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:20,880
Speaker 2: dramatically changes that.

735
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:27,640
Speaker 3: Wisconsin always opens the Saturday before Thanksgiving. Now most most

736
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 3: gun seasons, I think I was one of the pitifully

737
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 3: it doesn't have a gun season that messes up the rot.

738
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:37,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, so if you had that gun season.

739
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 3: Opening afterwards the exact because well, first off, hearkening back

740
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:52,360
Speaker 3: to my youth for a moment, I always believed growing

741
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:57,239
Speaker 3: up that man, once once firearm seasons done, you might

742
00:46:57,239 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 3: as well hang it up. I mean, there's nothing left

743
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:03,960
Speaker 3: out there, and it's all been so pounded that it

744
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:10,360
Speaker 3: just I'm not pretending that it's not easier trying to

745
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 3: shoot a deer when you have a potential pool of

746
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:18,640
Speaker 3: fifty of them to shoot versus a potential pool of

747
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 3: five of them to shoot, of course, and I'm just

748
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:26,239
Speaker 3: throwing these numbers out for illustration purposes. Of Course, it's

749
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:29,920
Speaker 3: easier when there's fifty of them running around there. Well,

750
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 3: at this point you don't have that full stock anymore.

751
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:38,040
Speaker 3: They've been taken down. Hard studies have shown, though, and

752
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:43,919
Speaker 3: radiotelemetry studies they have flaws that they do. I do

753
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 3: think that I can come up with all sorts of

754
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:53,520
Speaker 3: flaws in aspects of deer research, because there's so ridiculously

755
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 3: many variables, and the scientific equation, which is what should

756
00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:02,359
Speaker 3: be used to figure this stuff out, demands that what

757
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:06,239
Speaker 3: you do is you eliminate every variable you possibly can,

758
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:08,799
Speaker 3: and you test it over and over and over and

759
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 3: over and over again. Staying on this tangent for just

760
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:15,480
Speaker 3: a second, what we're doing is we're dealing with predominantly

761
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 3: antidotal data. And to me, that's like staring out this

762
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:24,720
Speaker 3: much of a crack in your curtains while you're sitting

763
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:29,879
Speaker 3: on the couch and you see that cat fly by outside. Oh,

764
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:33,480
Speaker 3: I wonder what was chasing that cat? And then you

765
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:37,720
Speaker 3: see this dog flying by, Oh, obviously it's the dog,

766
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:41,080
Speaker 3: never realizing that a half mile down the road is

767
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:43,720
Speaker 3: a blazing inferno and they're all running from the fire.

768
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 3: That's what antidodled without eliminating all of those variables. That's

769
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:53,719
Speaker 3: essentially antidotal data. We're looking through a window, like a

770
00:48:53,800 --> 00:49:00,200
Speaker 3: crack in a window like this, trying to interpret this. Yes,

771
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:04,560
Speaker 3: oftentimes we're right, but a whole bunch of times we

772
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:08,400
Speaker 3: don't see that fire, and we really have we misinterpret

773
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 3: our results so easily. But that said, I keep coming back.

774
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:22,640
Speaker 3: The telemetry studies show that what mature bucks tend to

775
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:29,879
Speaker 3: do again tendencies. There's meaning that we're talking fifty plus one.

776
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 3: That's it, just one more than fifty percent, okay, is

777
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:41,200
Speaker 3: a tendency. Okay. The tendency for mature bucks during firearms

778
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:45,200
Speaker 3: is not to go ahead abandoningland areas they know and

779
00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:48,280
Speaker 3: going running over to Gertrude's place a half mile away,

780
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:51,960
Speaker 3: because she doesn't allow any hunting that buck. If that's

781
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 3: if Gertrudes is not part of that buck's home range,

782
00:49:55,239 --> 00:50:00,680
Speaker 3: he has no idea whatsoever what's going on over a girt. Gertruths.

783
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:05,920
Speaker 3: What they do is they go to where they feel safest.

784
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:09,440
Speaker 3: They lay their butts down during the daylight hours, and

785
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:13,920
Speaker 3: they don't move. But what those same telemetry studies and

786
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:18,279
Speaker 3: they don't move unless they absolutely have But what those

787
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:22,800
Speaker 3: same telemetry studies show is, oh, after about four days,

788
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:26,799
Speaker 3: once the Orange army is gone, they pretty much go

789
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:31,840
Speaker 3: back to normal. So I'm a hunt and I'm just

790
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:33,200
Speaker 3: like I always need.

791
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:49,800
Speaker 2: I have a question asked about, a question about how

792
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:54,480
Speaker 2: we survey all of this, because I gotta believe there's

793
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:57,239
Speaker 2: a lot of hunters who, you know, throughout a lot

794
00:50:57,280 --> 00:51:01,960
Speaker 2: of the season, they are depending on on observations or

795
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 2: cameras to help confirm their hunches, to confirm their beliefs,

796
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:09,600
Speaker 2: or about these tendencies that you're referring to. They're looking

797
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:11,640
Speaker 2: for some kind of data to make them feel just

798
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:14,319
Speaker 2: a little bit better about choosing this dough betting area

799
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:17,320
Speaker 2: versus that dough betting area, or picking that funnel versus

800
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:20,840
Speaker 2: the other. All of this brings me to something you

801
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:23,920
Speaker 2: mentioned a while back, which is trail cameras, which are

802
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:29,600
Speaker 2: so insanely useful these days, and even like you said,

803
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:33,160
Speaker 2: maybe too useful when it comes to sell cameras. What

804
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:37,440
Speaker 2: I'm wondering is during this time period later November or December,

805
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:42,040
Speaker 2: are you changing how you use trail cameras at all,

806
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:45,040
Speaker 2: or changing where you place them at this time of year.

807
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:47,279
Speaker 2: Is it different than where I had my cameras on

808
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:50,239
Speaker 2: November first? Or do you kind of put them out

809
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:52,160
Speaker 2: there at some point the season and leave them in

810
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:54,200
Speaker 2: these standard areas the entire year, Steve.

811
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:56,880
Speaker 3: I shift them around to what I believe are the

812
00:51:56,960 --> 00:52:00,600
Speaker 3: highest on spots and or the places I want until

813
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:05,799
Speaker 3: most throughout the entire season. The A couple of things

814
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:10,799
Speaker 3: to keep in mind here, though, is eight so many

815
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:13,960
Speaker 3: people when they're sitting there, especially when you got a

816
00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:16,600
Speaker 3: whole bunch of chips to go through, you're just there

817
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:22,160
Speaker 3: wrapping away, trying to get through there. Oh there's a buck, Okay,

818
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:26,240
Speaker 3: all right, I'll save this one now. Wrapping away trying

819
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:35,400
Speaker 3: to get through. You're ignoring so much valuable information by

820
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:40,040
Speaker 3: taking that approach. It's not even funny. Every darn I

821
00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:42,920
Speaker 3: know this sounds ridiculous, and I'm not saying I'm spending

822
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:46,720
Speaker 3: a half hour, right, No, it's but every darn picture

823
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:51,239
Speaker 3: you get, where's where are they coming from, where are

824
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:55,640
Speaker 3: they going to? What are they doing now? And just

825
00:52:55,880 --> 00:53:00,840
Speaker 3: simply trying to analyze those individual pictures you end up

826
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:04,560
Speaker 3: getting so much more data than oh there's a buck,

827
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:12,120
Speaker 3: there's another one, and then also take it a step further.

828
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:15,800
Speaker 3: These things should be helping us, not hurt. To me,

829
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:20,240
Speaker 3: an unforgivable sin is when our trail cameras are actually

830
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:24,040
Speaker 3: harming our hunting efforts. That seems so pants on heads

831
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:29,080
Speaker 3: stupid to me. It's not even funny. Okay, So you

832
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:32,640
Speaker 3: know what, there's all sorts of places that I want

833
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:36,160
Speaker 3: INTEL on, and with cell cams, especially if you pick

834
00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:39,920
Speaker 3: up a chart a solar panel with one. Now you

835
00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:42,480
Speaker 3: can go ahead and get away with putting that cell

836
00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:45,600
Speaker 3: cam in there and just leaveing it. You leave it

837
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:50,480
Speaker 3: run forever and it keeps it or rather than put

838
00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:56,319
Speaker 3: it in there. Okay, I have a beautiful staging plot

839
00:53:56,440 --> 00:53:59,200
Speaker 3: right here that I want INTEL on and a wide

840
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:03,080
Speaker 3: open field right here. Do I really need to go

841
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:07,080
Speaker 3: back to that staging plot to get INTEL. No, I

842
00:54:07,160 --> 00:54:10,520
Speaker 3: can go ahead and place a camera right there where

843
00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:13,080
Speaker 3: they're working that where they're working that scrape as they

844
00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:15,360
Speaker 3: come out in the main field and when they're heading

845
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:19,240
Speaker 3: from this direction. You know what, I'm pretty darn confident

846
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:22,000
Speaker 3: that they just got done visiting my staging plot before

847
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:26,040
Speaker 3: they get there. Think about how you can get intel

848
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:32,279
Speaker 3: on the higher impact locations without ever going into most

849
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:36,600
Speaker 3: higher impact locations for your can, because unless you're using

850
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:39,080
Speaker 3: a cell can, not only do you have to go

851
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:42,719
Speaker 3: in there to place the darn thing, now, you got

852
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:44,440
Speaker 3: to go in there every darn time you want to

853
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:48,480
Speaker 3: swap chips too. And yeah, by putting it on that

854
00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:53,000
Speaker 3: scrape rather than on that on that staging plot, I'm

855
00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:55,200
Speaker 3: not gonna get every single buck that goes through that

856
00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:59,600
Speaker 3: staging plot. But you know what, I'm gonna get enough

857
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:02,600
Speaker 3: of mo that scrape that it's going to give me

858
00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:06,960
Speaker 3: enough intel to be like, oh hm, I'm getting this

859
00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:12,359
Speaker 3: buck here every third day on that scrape, I bet

860
00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:14,920
Speaker 3: she's actually back in that stage in Yerea. Even more

861
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:16,880
Speaker 3: than that, maybe now is a really good time to

862
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:19,560
Speaker 3: go back there and hunt it, as well as the

863
00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:23,160
Speaker 3: fact that who knows what other bucks are going through

864
00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:27,040
Speaker 3: there as well. It's everything to me is a balancing act.

865
00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:33,439
Speaker 3: And when I'm talking in this specific case, I want

866
00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:38,800
Speaker 3: my impact to weigh way heavier than the intel I

867
00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:43,560
Speaker 3: get because so darn many times you can get intel

868
00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:46,560
Speaker 3: by nipping at the edges, but I can't get that

869
00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:49,040
Speaker 3: buck back once I went ahead and scooped him across

870
00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:52,279
Speaker 3: the road in a neighbors shot. There's nothing I can

871
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:59,320
Speaker 3: do about that. So that's that's kind of I hopefully

872
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:01,760
Speaker 3: somewhere in there there's the answer. I know I rambled

873
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:03,759
Speaker 3: on about all sorts of stuff. I'm just not sure

874
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:04,440
Speaker 3: I ever really am.

875
00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:09,759
Speaker 2: You covered it. You covered it, Steeve. So let's move

876
00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:13,080
Speaker 2: then into December. Fully, we've talked about the edges of

877
00:56:13,120 --> 00:56:15,040
Speaker 2: December a little bit, and one of the things you

878
00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:18,839
Speaker 2: talked about was your approach to hunting those dominant dough

879
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:23,600
Speaker 2: bedding areas in late November and into early December, because

880
00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:25,200
Speaker 2: you might be able to catch that, you know, that

881
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:29,640
Speaker 2: little fawn that's coming into estrus. How how long will

882
00:56:29,719 --> 00:56:34,359
Speaker 2: you continue hunting mornings in December. I thought I heard

883
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:36,560
Speaker 2: you say you would hunt mornings to the entire season,

884
00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:38,239
Speaker 2: but I want to make sure I heard that right.

885
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:40,480
Speaker 3: And if I'm not, if I want to go out

886
00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:46,080
Speaker 3: and hunt a morning, I'm going to be from pretty

887
00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:50,520
Speaker 3: much that last week in November on. I'm not again,

888
00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:55,759
Speaker 3: we're talking generalities. There are all sorts of individual free

889
00:56:55,880 --> 00:56:58,160
Speaker 3: cases out there where. Yeah, I'm going I mean, when

890
00:56:58,200 --> 00:57:00,919
Speaker 3: a buck is telling you kill me at this time,

891
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:05,600
Speaker 3: at this location. Try to listen to him. Now, I

892
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:10,600
Speaker 3: am very, very very big on especially when it comes

893
00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:13,160
Speaker 3: to habitat improven plans. Man, you go out there and

894
00:57:13,239 --> 00:57:16,560
Speaker 3: you improve the habitat without having a plan, Good luck, buddy,

895
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:20,160
Speaker 3: because odds are really good that you're gonna mess up

896
00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:25,040
Speaker 3: as much as you help. Now, I need a plan, Okay,

897
00:57:25,720 --> 00:57:28,600
Speaker 3: do the same thing for hunting, whether I'm talking about us,

898
00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:31,280
Speaker 3: I've got a plan for hunting season. I've got a

899
00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:33,800
Speaker 3: plan for hunting each property. I have a plan for

900
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:39,400
Speaker 3: hunting just about each time I'm on that. But I'll

901
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:41,680
Speaker 3: tell you what, when there is a mature buck that's

902
00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:44,960
Speaker 3: literally screaming at me, Hey idiot, all you have to

903
00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:48,080
Speaker 3: do is come over here and we'll meet each other,

904
00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:55,080
Speaker 3: I'm gonna listen to it. So I will go ahead,

905
00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:59,880
Speaker 3: and I will go ahead and make deviations. I will.

906
00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:03,800
Speaker 3: But the overwhelming majority of the time this time of year,

907
00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:06,800
Speaker 3: it's just as simple as I'm describing. And I if

908
00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:09,920
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go out morning hunting, I'm hunting that doe

909
00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:14,120
Speaker 3: betting area, because you know what, are as many some

910
00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:17,480
Speaker 3: of the seasons I hunt just barely trickle into January.

911
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:22,200
Speaker 3: Are there anywhere near as many dophons coming into estras

912
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:29,000
Speaker 3: on January third? Is there may be on December fourth?

913
00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:35,080
Speaker 3: I'd say no, But every year a few of them pop.

914
00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:38,160
Speaker 3: Then I don't know if one of them is gonna

915
00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:40,120
Speaker 3: be popping on my ground, but if it is there,

916
00:58:40,640 --> 00:58:43,040
Speaker 3: I can promise you there's no better place to be

917
00:58:43,160 --> 00:58:47,600
Speaker 3: on that entire property than hunting where that dopphone, that

918
00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:53,160
Speaker 3: estress dophon happens to be. But do you otherwise I'm

919
00:58:53,560 --> 00:58:56,360
Speaker 3: otherwise No, I'm the one who kind of interrupted you there.

920
00:58:56,600 --> 00:58:59,920
Speaker 3: I apologize, but otherwise otherwise I'll be honest with you.

921
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:02,680
Speaker 3: I don't do much more in hunting late season. That's

922
00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:05,800
Speaker 3: about it. I will be more than happy during the

923
00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:09,840
Speaker 3: rut in certain situations to go ahead and hunt more

924
00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:14,800
Speaker 3: disruptive stands in the morning. But early season and late season,

925
00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:16,800
Speaker 3: for me, I need to be able to get in.

926
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:18,240
Speaker 3: I need to be able to hunt, and I need

927
00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:20,840
Speaker 3: to be able to get out. I do not want

928
00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:26,760
Speaker 3: I think we booger, we us hunters do so much

929
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:30,840
Speaker 3: more damage to our hunting than we ever realize. And

930
00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:32,800
Speaker 3: I will go off on a tangent on this just

931
00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:36,800
Speaker 3: for a second. Always remember your odors can stay up

932
00:59:36,840 --> 00:59:39,600
Speaker 3: and out in the woods till well over seventy two

933
00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:44,200
Speaker 3: hours after you're gone. I have no doubt in my

934
00:59:44,400 --> 00:59:49,360
Speaker 3: mind whatsoever that we educate so ridiculously many deer after

935
00:59:49,480 --> 00:59:51,800
Speaker 3: we leave than we ever do well. We're in the

936
00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:57,280
Speaker 3: deer woods simply from the odors that we are leaving behind.

937
00:59:59,080 --> 01:00:02,400
Speaker 3: So when I'm talking about low impact, I'm saying I

938
01:00:02,560 --> 01:00:05,920
Speaker 3: need to be able to get in, preferably slipping up

939
01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:09,480
Speaker 3: a creek. Now you don't always have a situation like that,

940
01:00:09,640 --> 01:00:13,120
Speaker 3: but heavens when you do, that's a beautiful thing to do.

941
01:00:14,240 --> 01:00:17,120
Speaker 3: So you slip up a creek, you jump into that

942
01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:19,840
Speaker 3: stand that happens to be just off the creek bank,

943
01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:24,600
Speaker 3: You hunt it with your wind blown back over the creek.

944
01:00:25,320 --> 01:00:28,920
Speaker 3: Then you get back down, slip out the creek. Situation

945
01:00:29,120 --> 01:00:32,760
Speaker 3: like that, you can hunt this lot of stands. If

946
01:00:32,800 --> 01:00:34,720
Speaker 3: they do not see you, if they do not hear you,

947
01:00:34,840 --> 01:00:37,840
Speaker 3: if they do not smell, your perception is reality. You

948
01:00:38,040 --> 01:00:43,800
Speaker 3: were not there to a white tail. But that's the

949
01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:47,800
Speaker 3: key making sure I can get in, hunt and get

950
01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:51,720
Speaker 3: out one of the pitifully few places that are good

951
01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:55,439
Speaker 3: that time of year during morning Now if I happen

952
01:00:55,520 --> 01:00:58,360
Speaker 3: to know this buck is feeding on this food source

953
01:00:58,720 --> 01:01:02,080
Speaker 3: and he's better right here, and I can slip in between.

954
01:01:02,320 --> 01:01:05,400
Speaker 3: Oh heck, yeah, I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna do it.

955
01:01:06,080 --> 01:01:11,240
Speaker 3: But mind us some type of very specific intel like that. No,

956
01:01:11,600 --> 01:01:14,600
Speaker 3: I'm sticking to those no bedding areas because I got

957
01:01:14,680 --> 01:01:16,840
Speaker 3: those setups so I can't hunt them, and I can

958
01:01:16,920 --> 01:01:18,800
Speaker 3: get in, I can get out, and that's what he's

959
01:01:18,880 --> 01:01:19,240
Speaker 3: looking for.

960
01:01:20,120 --> 01:01:23,400
Speaker 2: So the you mentioned that most of the time you're

961
01:01:23,480 --> 01:01:25,480
Speaker 2: doing the evening hunts though in the late season, and

962
01:01:25,920 --> 01:01:28,280
Speaker 2: we talked earlier about how once you get into late November,

963
01:01:28,360 --> 01:01:31,920
Speaker 2: that's really when a buck's mindset most of the time

964
01:01:32,080 --> 01:01:35,040
Speaker 2: has shifted down to recovering from the rut, packing on

965
01:01:35,120 --> 01:01:38,360
Speaker 2: that food, and then that continues, you know, it increases

966
01:01:38,520 --> 01:01:40,840
Speaker 2: as the month of December continues, as it it's colder.

967
01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:42,640
Speaker 2: They got to just put on that weight again, they

968
01:01:42,720 --> 01:01:45,760
Speaker 2: got to pack the energy in. So they're focusing on food.

969
01:01:46,480 --> 01:01:49,360
Speaker 2: And if we're talking about making the choice of where

970
01:01:49,480 --> 01:01:52,920
Speaker 2: to hunt on a particular evening, one of those things

971
01:01:53,080 --> 01:01:57,240
Speaker 2: might be trying to determine what food source are the

972
01:01:57,360 --> 01:01:59,480
Speaker 2: majority of deer going to key in on on a

973
01:01:59,520 --> 01:02:02,640
Speaker 2: given night. And something I've thought a lot about, and

974
01:02:02,640 --> 01:02:06,120
Speaker 2: I've heard different people talk about this, is that sometimes

975
01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:10,440
Speaker 2: certain conditions might impact what food source is more attractive.

976
01:02:11,200 --> 01:02:11,800
Speaker 3: Do you put?

977
01:02:12,360 --> 01:02:15,000
Speaker 2: Is there truth to that, Steve? And if so, can

978
01:02:15,040 --> 01:02:17,720
Speaker 2: you walk me through, Hey, when it's this kind of condition,

979
01:02:17,840 --> 01:02:19,600
Speaker 2: focused on this kind of food, When it's this kind

980
01:02:19,640 --> 01:02:22,560
Speaker 2: of condition, focus on this kind of food? Have you

981
01:02:22,640 --> 01:02:23,520
Speaker 2: seen any trends like that?

982
01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:26,959
Speaker 3: Generally speaking, I've found that when it's wet out, deer

983
01:02:27,040 --> 01:02:31,280
Speaker 3: tend to prefer greens over greens. Not really true. I

984
01:02:31,400 --> 01:02:38,280
Speaker 3: imagine it's because it's so jeez, you're talking water coated greens.

985
01:02:38,280 --> 01:02:41,040
Speaker 3: I mean they probably are near dissolve in your mouth

986
01:02:41,280 --> 01:02:44,760
Speaker 3: versus I mean, I don't know if this is accurate

987
01:02:44,840 --> 01:02:47,640
Speaker 3: or not, But compared to eating soggy white bread that's

988
01:02:47,680 --> 01:02:52,240
Speaker 3: been soaping in water, you know, those greens, Oh man,

989
01:02:53,040 --> 01:02:55,160
Speaker 3: this a little bit of moisture on them make some taste.

990
01:02:55,200 --> 01:02:58,720
Speaker 3: Every bit is good, if not better, Whereas that moisture

991
01:02:58,800 --> 01:03:02,040
Speaker 3: on the greens tend to As I said, I don't

992
01:03:02,040 --> 01:03:03,920
Speaker 3: know if what I'm saying is through at all in

993
01:03:04,040 --> 01:03:10,120
Speaker 3: this case, that they taste like that essentially is toast

994
01:03:10,200 --> 01:03:13,720
Speaker 3: soaked in water that they're eating. But for whatever reason

995
01:03:14,440 --> 01:03:20,560
Speaker 3: you and what And here's here's something that a person

996
01:03:20,680 --> 01:03:23,680
Speaker 3: really needs to qualify all this with, and that is,

997
01:03:23,960 --> 01:03:29,560
Speaker 3: it doesn't matter how desperately badly that buck may want

998
01:03:30,040 --> 01:03:34,000
Speaker 3: white waite oak acorns today. If there ain't any white

999
01:03:34,040 --> 01:03:37,720
Speaker 3: o't gat good white oak acorns around. He ain't no

1000
01:03:37,920 --> 01:03:42,760
Speaker 3: white oak acorns. So so often it's not, oh geez,

1001
01:03:42,920 --> 01:03:45,439
Speaker 3: this is the food he wants most of this day.

1002
01:03:45,560 --> 01:03:47,640
Speaker 3: So that's where I'll be. For most hunters out there,

1003
01:03:47,640 --> 01:03:52,760
Speaker 3: I'm talking most of them don't have Okay, let's see,

1004
01:03:53,040 --> 01:03:55,240
Speaker 3: do I want to hunt the alfalfa? Do I want

1005
01:03:55,280 --> 01:03:57,720
Speaker 3: to hunt the clover? Do I want to hunt the

1006
01:03:57,800 --> 01:04:00,360
Speaker 3: antler king the honey whole plot? Do I want to

1007
01:04:00,480 --> 01:04:03,240
Speaker 3: hunt their fall on our spring plot? Do I want

1008
01:04:03,360 --> 01:04:07,600
Speaker 3: to hunt the soybeans? Or do I want to hunt

1009
01:04:07,880 --> 01:04:12,560
Speaker 3: the corn tonight? Well? I mean, you know as well

1010
01:04:12,600 --> 01:04:15,600
Speaker 3: as I do. Most people don't have those options.

1011
01:04:16,920 --> 01:04:19,760
Speaker 2: It'd be nice, though, it is very nice.

1012
01:04:22,320 --> 01:04:26,840
Speaker 3: So always keep in mind that it's not what they

1013
01:04:27,040 --> 01:04:31,040
Speaker 3: want worse at that time. It's really what they want

1014
01:04:31,200 --> 01:04:37,080
Speaker 3: worse that's available at that time. Okay, generally, uh, just

1015
01:04:37,200 --> 01:04:42,360
Speaker 3: a couple notes about food in general. Elf Alfa something

1016
01:04:42,480 --> 01:04:45,760
Speaker 3: that I never realized growing up, because I grew up

1017
01:04:45,760 --> 01:04:50,360
Speaker 3: in northern Wisconsin. We have snow up there. Everybody knows

1018
01:04:50,440 --> 01:04:54,520
Speaker 3: alf alfa sours with those first few hard frosts. Everybody

1019
01:04:54,640 --> 01:04:57,880
Speaker 3: knows that. What a lot of people don't realize is

1020
01:04:57,960 --> 01:05:03,520
Speaker 3: it sweetens up again. And you see it. I manage

1021
01:05:03,560 --> 01:05:06,800
Speaker 3: ground in Missouri and Illinois and a handful of states

1022
01:05:06,880 --> 01:05:12,280
Speaker 3: like that. Okay, you see it so clearly. There they're

1023
01:05:12,440 --> 01:05:16,400
Speaker 3: hammering it, hammering it, hammering it, hammering, hammering it. You

1024
01:05:16,560 --> 01:05:19,960
Speaker 3: get those couple of frosts, it's it doesn't completely die.

1025
01:05:20,760 --> 01:05:23,000
Speaker 3: But keep in mind this scenario. They have them all,

1026
01:05:23,160 --> 01:05:25,439
Speaker 3: and they have virtually every food source that they would

1027
01:05:25,520 --> 01:05:29,800
Speaker 3: want in these scenarios. So there they are hammering that

1028
01:05:29,920 --> 01:05:32,880
Speaker 3: alf alfa, and then you get those first couple of frosts,

1029
01:05:32,920 --> 01:05:35,800
Speaker 3: and boom, that just plummets. There's still some out there,

1030
01:05:35,880 --> 01:05:41,800
Speaker 3: but nowhere near as much until about oh depending on

1031
01:05:41,920 --> 01:05:48,840
Speaker 3: the weather conditions. But two three four weeks later, all

1032
01:05:48,880 --> 01:05:53,400
Speaker 3: of a sudden, that alf alfa it's turned on. And

1033
01:05:53,640 --> 01:05:55,920
Speaker 3: if it's not every bit as hot and heavy as

1034
01:05:56,040 --> 01:06:02,800
Speaker 3: that is, that mode corn, it's pretty darn close so

1035
01:06:04,240 --> 01:06:06,680
Speaker 3: that is something that is I'm just sharing that because

1036
01:06:06,800 --> 01:06:10,280
Speaker 3: heck I didn't realize that until about fifteen twenty years ago.

1037
01:06:12,960 --> 01:06:18,800
Speaker 3: But in general, when it's wet, I tend to hunt green.

1038
01:06:19,800 --> 01:06:23,320
Speaker 3: When it's cold and dry, I tend to hunt grains.

1039
01:06:24,160 --> 01:06:27,000
Speaker 3: Then you get in this huge debate on which is

1040
01:06:27,120 --> 01:06:32,320
Speaker 3: better corn or soybeans? You know which one is better?

1041
01:06:33,000 --> 01:06:35,480
Speaker 3: The one the deer feed none more that day. That's

1042
01:06:35,480 --> 01:06:37,680
Speaker 3: about the only I have been able to come up with.

1043
01:06:38,280 --> 01:06:42,160
Speaker 3: I think, in general, deer like soybeans a little bit more,

1044
01:06:42,200 --> 01:06:45,200
Speaker 3: and I think they're a better thing to plant from

1045
01:06:45,240 --> 01:06:48,800
Speaker 3: a cost standpoint. The deer feed heavily on the green

1046
01:06:48,920 --> 01:06:52,920
Speaker 3: leaves all summer long, all that type of stuff. But

1047
01:06:53,880 --> 01:06:59,640
Speaker 3: on a given blisterly cold day, which of the two

1048
01:07:01,600 --> 01:07:03,720
Speaker 3: you tell me it's gonna be the one that most

1049
01:07:03,800 --> 01:07:07,880
Speaker 3: of the deer on. And I've seen it waffle plenty

1050
01:07:07,920 --> 01:07:11,800
Speaker 3: of times. And I'm not talking about I've got beans

1051
01:07:11,880 --> 01:07:14,080
Speaker 3: over here and I've got corn, No, I'm talking I

1052
01:07:14,200 --> 01:07:17,800
Speaker 3: got beans, I got corn. They're sitting side by side

1053
01:07:18,080 --> 01:07:21,400
Speaker 3: and getting off on a little bit of a tangent

1054
01:07:22,040 --> 01:07:26,480
Speaker 3: for management and getting deer to move the way you

1055
01:07:26,600 --> 01:07:29,880
Speaker 3: want them to. That type of stuff. What works out really,

1056
01:07:30,040 --> 01:07:34,800
Speaker 3: really good is if you can go ahead, soy beans, corn, Oh,

1057
01:07:35,080 --> 01:07:39,720
Speaker 3: and here's some green, and you're hunting those transition zones

1058
01:07:39,760 --> 01:07:44,240
Speaker 3: between the two because you know what I've found. Yeah,

1059
01:07:45,000 --> 01:07:49,800
Speaker 3: those deer really want that fall winter spring cereal rde today.

1060
01:07:50,000 --> 01:07:52,320
Speaker 3: They want that so and they are hammering it. And

1061
01:07:52,360 --> 01:07:55,640
Speaker 3: I'll tell you what, cereal right is a glorious planting

1062
01:07:55,720 --> 01:07:59,760
Speaker 3: for white tails. They are pounding the snot out of

1063
01:07:59,800 --> 01:08:04,280
Speaker 3: it today. They're eventually gonna want a little bit of green.

1064
01:08:05,080 --> 01:08:07,720
Speaker 3: And the overwhelming majority of those deer that they're feeding

1065
01:08:07,760 --> 01:08:10,160
Speaker 3: in that cereal ride are gonna go get some beans

1066
01:08:10,240 --> 01:08:15,680
Speaker 3: or some corn, most likely both tomorrow. Oh man, do

1067
01:08:15,800 --> 01:08:19,680
Speaker 3: they ever want that grain? They're just pound in the

1068
01:08:19,880 --> 01:08:22,760
Speaker 3: snot on it. But they're gonna want a couple of

1069
01:08:22,760 --> 01:08:26,040
Speaker 3: bites of green too, So they're gonna transition from that

1070
01:08:26,200 --> 01:08:28,360
Speaker 3: green to the green and from the green to the grain.

1071
01:08:29,040 --> 01:08:33,080
Speaker 3: It makes a nice little way to create a natural

1072
01:08:33,280 --> 01:08:39,080
Speaker 3: dear flow while also going ahead and providing them diversity

1073
01:08:39,200 --> 01:08:41,760
Speaker 3: that they want and need. And you know what, it

1074
01:08:41,880 --> 01:08:44,360
Speaker 3: makes it so much easier to figure out what they

1075
01:08:44,400 --> 01:08:46,880
Speaker 3: want to feed on today When you got it all

1076
01:08:46,960 --> 01:08:50,439
Speaker 3: on one plot I'm right every time.

1077
01:08:50,880 --> 01:08:52,720
Speaker 2: I can see that being mm hm.

1078
01:08:54,400 --> 01:08:54,439
Speaker 3: So.

1079
01:08:55,120 --> 01:08:58,559
Speaker 2: So one last question on that topic, Steve, So, cold

1080
01:08:58,640 --> 01:09:01,320
Speaker 2: weather we're going with grains more often than not. Wet weather,

1081
01:09:01,400 --> 01:09:03,760
Speaker 2: we're going with grains more often than not. Best case

1082
01:09:03,800 --> 01:09:07,000
Speaker 2: scenarios have all of them. What about the dreaded late

1083
01:09:07,120 --> 01:09:08,240
Speaker 2: season warm.

1084
01:09:08,080 --> 01:09:11,519
Speaker 3: Spell, warm, high tend hunt green.

1085
01:09:13,439 --> 01:09:17,479
Speaker 2: Okay, I've heard that too, so I wanted to confirm

1086
01:09:17,520 --> 01:09:21,880
Speaker 2: if that's what you saw too. Okay, So moving on

1087
01:09:22,040 --> 01:09:25,040
Speaker 2: from that real quick. We've covered some of the food

1088
01:09:25,120 --> 01:09:29,600
Speaker 2: things we've talked about. You know, what's available is the

1089
01:09:29,680 --> 01:09:34,679
Speaker 2: most important thing. One of the other main I guess

1090
01:09:34,760 --> 01:09:35,840
Speaker 2: pillars of late season.

1091
01:09:36,640 --> 01:09:39,040
Speaker 3: Just throw one more thing in there that's pretty important,

1092
01:09:39,560 --> 01:09:42,880
Speaker 3: and that is the most by fire, the most ignored

1093
01:09:43,080 --> 01:09:46,920
Speaker 3: food source there is, especially especially if you just get

1094
01:09:47,080 --> 01:09:49,600
Speaker 3: one state down from the northern pier of states in

1095
01:09:49,680 --> 01:09:55,400
Speaker 3: this country. I don't know why, what do you brows? So?

1096
01:09:55,800 --> 01:10:05,519
Speaker 3: I mean, so many of the people, especially in that Indiana, Ohio, Illinois, Iowa, Missouri,

1097
01:10:06,160 --> 01:10:11,160
Speaker 3: that latitude belt right there, their woods are I'm sorry,

1098
01:10:11,200 --> 01:10:13,640
Speaker 3: I'm not trying to offend anybody, but the woods in

1099
01:10:13,800 --> 01:10:19,000
Speaker 3: general and that belt are pathetic. The overwhelming majority have

1100
01:10:19,120 --> 01:10:23,479
Speaker 3: been grazed at one point with cattle, and they're so mature,

1101
01:10:23,680 --> 01:10:27,240
Speaker 3: and you get in there. Even in the richest farm

1102
01:10:27,320 --> 01:10:30,599
Speaker 3: country there is in this world, white tails are gonna

1103
01:10:31,120 --> 01:10:35,240
Speaker 3: eat more natural brows than they are gonna want would

1104
01:10:35,840 --> 01:10:40,519
Speaker 3: if given the option, or mean preface this, if given

1105
01:10:40,560 --> 01:10:43,759
Speaker 3: the option, white tails even in the richest farm country

1106
01:10:43,880 --> 01:10:47,960
Speaker 3: with every single crop you can possibly imagine, and throw

1107
01:10:48,160 --> 01:10:51,640
Speaker 3: every turn fruit tree you can think of on that,

1108
01:10:52,080 --> 01:10:55,880
Speaker 3: and they're still, if they haven't, are gonna eat more

1109
01:10:56,000 --> 01:10:57,920
Speaker 3: natural brows than they are going to have the stuff

1110
01:10:57,960 --> 01:11:03,960
Speaker 3: you planted. You get in there with with the chainsaw,

1111
01:11:05,040 --> 01:11:07,800
Speaker 3: and I'm not saying please don't if you don't feel

1112
01:11:07,880 --> 01:11:10,280
Speaker 3: skilled with it, and if you do, follow every darn

1113
01:11:10,960 --> 01:11:14,759
Speaker 3: chainsaw safety rule it is. And please remember we're talking

1114
01:11:14,800 --> 01:11:17,559
Speaker 3: about deer. For crying out loud, it is not worth

1115
01:11:17,680 --> 01:11:21,599
Speaker 3: getting seriously injured or hurt over your loved ones. Would

1116
01:11:21,720 --> 01:11:25,639
Speaker 3: never take that trade versus the biggest buck in the world. Okay,

1117
01:11:27,920 --> 01:11:33,080
Speaker 3: but it's a situation. You can actually often get loggers

1118
01:11:33,120 --> 01:11:35,120
Speaker 3: to come in, and if you do, please have a

1119
01:11:35,200 --> 01:11:38,120
Speaker 3: plan beforehand all that stuff and keep track of them

1120
01:11:38,360 --> 01:11:42,760
Speaker 3: daily if you can. But you can go ahead and

1121
01:11:43,200 --> 01:11:48,639
Speaker 3: literally Jack the food on that property, not putting money

1122
01:11:48,720 --> 01:11:51,360
Speaker 3: in your pocket. And you can have them go ahead

1123
01:11:51,439 --> 01:11:53,760
Speaker 3: and clear out areas for food plots if you want.

1124
01:11:53,840 --> 01:11:56,479
Speaker 3: You can have them make access roads for you, all

1125
01:11:56,640 --> 01:12:00,960
Speaker 3: sorts of things. But my only advice is first, figure

1126
01:12:01,000 --> 01:12:04,240
Speaker 3: out what exactly you want to achieve with this. Second,

1127
01:12:04,800 --> 01:12:08,599
Speaker 3: contact a forester and have a plan meet up. Third,

1128
01:12:09,040 --> 01:12:12,320
Speaker 3: stay on top of the loggers daily. Make sure not

1129
01:12:12,400 --> 01:12:16,000
Speaker 3: that they're trying to hose you. They're not, but you're

1130
01:12:16,080 --> 01:12:19,600
Speaker 3: trying to accomplish something very different than they're used to

1131
01:12:19,760 --> 01:12:24,200
Speaker 3: trying to accomplish. So stay on and make sure you're

1132
01:12:24,280 --> 01:12:27,839
Speaker 3: on the same page. And that will do more. Honestly,

1133
01:12:27,960 --> 01:12:33,640
Speaker 3: for so many done Midwestern properties. That and changing the

1134
01:12:33,680 --> 01:12:36,040
Speaker 3: way you're hunting it are the two things that can

1135
01:12:36,680 --> 01:12:39,320
Speaker 3: jack your success. Forr you up through the dim roof.

1136
01:12:40,800 --> 01:12:44,800
Speaker 2: Wise words you mentioned there at the end, then not

1137
01:12:44,920 --> 01:12:48,920
Speaker 2: only the habitat but also how you're hunting it makes

1138
01:12:48,960 --> 01:12:51,200
Speaker 2: a huge difference in the success that you have. And

1139
01:12:52,000 --> 01:12:54,120
Speaker 2: I think that you tell me if you think this

1140
01:12:54,280 --> 01:12:56,920
Speaker 2: is wrong, but probably one of the biggest things that

1141
01:12:58,080 --> 01:13:01,240
Speaker 2: can impact success in the late season, other than having

1142
01:13:01,320 --> 01:13:04,519
Speaker 2: that great high quality food source, is figuring out a

1143
01:13:04,600 --> 01:13:07,080
Speaker 2: way to hunt these deer without them feeling pressure because

1144
01:13:07,080 --> 01:13:10,800
Speaker 2: they're particularly you know, attuned to pressure. Now after being

1145
01:13:10,880 --> 01:13:13,400
Speaker 2: hunted all season, once you get to the late season,

1146
01:13:13,439 --> 01:13:17,040
Speaker 2: it seems like, hey, find that attractive food source and

1147
01:13:17,160 --> 01:13:20,280
Speaker 2: then hunt it smart. Only at the right time when

1148
01:13:20,360 --> 01:13:22,280
Speaker 2: you can get in, Yeah, when you can get in

1149
01:13:22,360 --> 01:13:24,800
Speaker 2: and out without spooking, and you know, strike on those

1150
01:13:24,960 --> 01:13:27,320
Speaker 2: right days when it's most likely that they'll be moving.

1151
01:13:28,880 --> 01:13:30,280
Speaker 2: A lot of people like to wait for big cold

1152
01:13:30,320 --> 01:13:32,960
Speaker 2: fronts or snow event or something. Is there Is there

1153
01:13:33,040 --> 01:13:36,960
Speaker 2: anything else or anything that you would like to add

1154
01:13:37,000 --> 01:13:39,559
Speaker 2: some more detail around when it comes to hunting these

1155
01:13:39,720 --> 01:13:42,759
Speaker 2: late food source type hunts the right way.

1156
01:13:42,720 --> 01:13:47,160
Speaker 3: When we have it's something else. I grew up, grew

1157
01:13:47,240 --> 01:13:49,439
Speaker 3: up hearing everybody as much as you can't pattern a

1158
01:13:49,479 --> 01:13:52,479
Speaker 3: buck during the rut man when it's windy, good dear,

1159
01:13:52,600 --> 01:13:55,160
Speaker 3: they just ain't moving. They just shut right down below

1160
01:13:56,320 --> 01:13:59,080
Speaker 3: when I'll tell you what some of the best days

1161
01:13:59,120 --> 01:14:01,800
Speaker 3: I've ever had hunting out on stands or twenty twenty

1162
01:14:01,840 --> 01:14:05,799
Speaker 3: five plus mile an hour wins. Now, the big issue

1163
01:14:06,640 --> 01:14:08,880
Speaker 3: is you better not be sitting up in some little

1164
01:14:08,920 --> 01:14:12,280
Speaker 3: popple tree that's going like this, whipping around in the wind,

1165
01:14:12,400 --> 01:14:17,120
Speaker 3: because geez, hopefully you're gonna be taking a shot, and

1166
01:14:17,160 --> 01:14:20,120
Speaker 3: it's pretty hard to shoot when you're whipping back and

1167
01:14:20,240 --> 01:14:24,040
Speaker 3: forth up there. It has to either be a really

1168
01:14:24,280 --> 01:14:30,640
Speaker 3: really really manly tree or redneck on stilts or a

1169
01:14:30,760 --> 01:14:34,880
Speaker 3: ground blind or something like that so that you can

1170
01:14:35,000 --> 01:14:38,720
Speaker 3: still shoot accurately. And the other thing you need you

1171
01:14:38,720 --> 01:14:40,640
Speaker 3: a person really needs to do it. I don't care

1172
01:14:40,680 --> 01:14:42,840
Speaker 3: if you're talking crossbow, I don't care if you're talking

1173
01:14:42,960 --> 01:14:47,880
Speaker 3: compound whatever. If you're gonna hunt and really stiff wins,

1174
01:14:48,479 --> 01:14:52,600
Speaker 3: you need to practice in really stiff wins so you

1175
01:14:52,920 --> 01:14:55,719
Speaker 3: know what that wind is gonna do to your airwre

1176
01:14:55,760 --> 01:14:59,360
Speaker 3: bowl before you ever step out in that situation. Now,

1177
01:14:59,680 --> 01:15:03,120
Speaker 3: one big things I know this is completely off topic,

1178
01:15:03,240 --> 01:15:05,760
Speaker 3: but one of the big things I think people most people,

1179
01:15:06,240 --> 01:15:09,040
Speaker 3: one of the things that have helped me personally the most.

1180
01:15:10,400 --> 01:15:14,639
Speaker 3: It is awesome for getting yourself in shape and figuring

1181
01:15:14,720 --> 01:15:17,519
Speaker 3: out getting yourself sighted in all that stuff. Standing in

1182
01:15:17,600 --> 01:15:21,880
Speaker 3: the backyard at thirty yards going like this at those

1183
01:15:22,479 --> 01:15:27,280
Speaker 3: at those targets. That's awesome, But it has virtually nothing

1184
01:15:27,320 --> 01:15:29,439
Speaker 3: to do with hunting in any way, shape or form.

1185
01:15:30,479 --> 01:15:33,040
Speaker 3: Pit I can't speak for you but I can tell

1186
01:15:33,080 --> 01:15:38,639
Speaker 3: you I myself, my whole life, I've shot one deer,

1187
01:15:39,680 --> 01:15:43,280
Speaker 3: both feet on the ground, standing perfectly upright, going like this.

1188
01:15:43,840 --> 01:15:46,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, so true.

1189
01:15:46,200 --> 01:15:50,960
Speaker 3: It's not hunting. Hunting is twisting your body, contorting, shooting

1190
01:15:51,080 --> 01:15:54,360
Speaker 3: in stiff winds, shooting in a shooting in a mist,

1191
01:15:54,479 --> 01:15:58,439
Speaker 3: shooting in low light, shooting from tree stands, shooting bouncing

1192
01:15:58,720 --> 01:16:01,719
Speaker 3: arrows off of the bottom of your window and ground blinds,

1193
01:16:02,720 --> 01:16:05,960
Speaker 3: all that. How do you not do that? You actually

1194
01:16:06,240 --> 01:16:11,000
Speaker 3: practice from those things before you hunt. Practice with all

1195
01:16:11,080 --> 01:16:18,040
Speaker 3: your equipment. Make practice as realistically realistic as you can, meaning,

1196
01:16:18,920 --> 01:16:23,559
Speaker 3: don't sit there for ten minutes. Get that pin one

1197
01:16:24,840 --> 01:16:29,439
Speaker 3: perfectly on that delton, dear target. No, go like this,

1198
01:16:29,720 --> 01:16:32,720
Speaker 3: put it on shoot because that's what you're going to

1199
01:16:32,760 --> 01:16:38,599
Speaker 3: be doing on the gear once. Make your practice mimic hunting.

1200
01:16:39,520 --> 01:16:42,519
Speaker 3: Practice with every stinking thing you're going to take out

1201
01:16:42,640 --> 01:16:48,479
Speaker 3: the deer's woods with you at least once and practice

1202
01:16:48,560 --> 01:16:53,560
Speaker 3: those less than ideal situations that we we hunt in.

1203
01:16:53,720 --> 01:17:00,360
Speaker 3: And finally, finally, whatever your mac shooting ranges, double it

1204
01:17:00,520 --> 01:17:02,679
Speaker 3: for practice, and do a heck of a lot more

1205
01:17:02,760 --> 01:17:05,840
Speaker 3: practice at that distance than you ever do at what

1206
01:17:06,000 --> 01:17:11,240
Speaker 3: your real shooting distance. Is not because if you're let's

1207
01:17:11,240 --> 01:17:15,680
Speaker 3: say it's thirty yards, you're practicing out to sixty. Is

1208
01:17:15,760 --> 01:17:18,120
Speaker 3: this because you want to be able to shoot you're

1209
01:17:18,120 --> 01:17:22,920
Speaker 3: at sixty yards for a first shot. Heck, no, you

1210
01:17:23,080 --> 01:17:26,839
Speaker 3: do not. You're gonna keep your limited at thirty yards.

1211
01:17:27,920 --> 01:17:32,840
Speaker 3: But by practicing at sixty it makes that thirty yard

1212
01:17:32,960 --> 01:17:38,880
Speaker 3: shot seems so ridiculously easy. And guess what you messed up.

1213
01:17:39,360 --> 01:17:42,479
Speaker 3: You accidentally shot him in the guts. Now he's standing

1214
01:17:42,560 --> 01:17:45,800
Speaker 3: out there at sixty yards. Shoot him again, and you

1215
01:17:46,000 --> 01:17:49,439
Speaker 3: can because you have been practicing out to sixty yards

1216
01:17:49,800 --> 01:17:52,120
Speaker 3: and now you throttle him at sixty and there he

1217
01:17:52,240 --> 01:17:56,120
Speaker 3: is laying in the field for you perfectly by going

1218
01:17:56,400 --> 01:18:00,880
Speaker 3: behind my head and me personally, I I'm willing to

1219
01:18:00,920 --> 01:18:03,840
Speaker 3: shoot out to fifty, but only I will not shoot

1220
01:18:03,920 --> 01:18:08,120
Speaker 3: over thirty unless everything's perfect. I have him ranged, he

1221
01:18:08,280 --> 01:18:13,320
Speaker 3: is calm as can be and almost always exclusively head

1222
01:18:13,400 --> 01:18:17,240
Speaker 3: down and eating if he's moving at all. No, I'm

1223
01:18:17,280 --> 01:18:20,479
Speaker 3: not shooting over thirty yards, even if I can stop him.

1224
01:18:21,479 --> 01:18:25,920
Speaker 3: But when everything is absolutely perfect, I'll shoot out to fifty.

1225
01:18:26,880 --> 01:18:30,040
Speaker 3: The overwhelming majority of my practice, I mean, I practice

1226
01:18:30,400 --> 01:18:32,640
Speaker 3: way more at one hundred yards than I ever do

1227
01:18:32,760 --> 01:18:37,200
Speaker 3: at fifty year lass once. Once you get sited in,

1228
01:18:37,720 --> 01:18:41,040
Speaker 3: there's really no reason to be shooting at twenty yards anymore.

1229
01:18:41,760 --> 01:18:47,720
Speaker 3: None shoot long distances. You automatically know any flaws you

1230
01:18:47,880 --> 01:18:51,240
Speaker 3: have in your form, any flaws you have in your equipment,

1231
01:18:51,640 --> 01:18:56,560
Speaker 3: and never forget. Every darn sport in this world is

1232
01:18:56,600 --> 01:18:59,680
Speaker 3: at least fifty percent played right up here. When I

1233
01:18:59,760 --> 01:19:03,120
Speaker 3: am drawing that bowl, if I believe that animal is dead,

1234
01:19:04,840 --> 01:19:07,720
Speaker 3: I do not want to be that animal. If I'm

1235
01:19:07,800 --> 01:19:11,160
Speaker 3: drawing that bow and I have any question if I'm

1236
01:19:11,240 --> 01:19:14,639
Speaker 3: gonna make that shot, I've learned to just let down

1237
01:19:14,920 --> 01:19:19,080
Speaker 3: because I know, I know the odds that shot turning

1238
01:19:19,120 --> 01:19:23,000
Speaker 3: out good are hitifully few are pitifully pathetic.

1239
01:19:23,560 --> 01:19:25,719
Speaker 2: Okay, great.

1240
01:19:26,240 --> 01:19:30,080
Speaker 3: Your mind is the most powerful weapon you got. Use

1241
01:19:30,160 --> 01:19:33,439
Speaker 3: it to its fullest extent, and that is even playing

1242
01:19:33,520 --> 01:19:37,280
Speaker 3: games with yourself such as there he is at twenty yards.

1243
01:19:38,080 --> 01:19:40,439
Speaker 3: I'm not worried about making that shot one durn bit.

1244
01:19:40,520 --> 01:19:42,519
Speaker 3: I make shots in one hundred all the darn time.

1245
01:19:43,840 --> 01:19:47,040
Speaker 3: The more you can trick yourself into believing that it's

1246
01:19:47,080 --> 01:19:50,400
Speaker 3: going to be successful, and heck, it's not a trick.

1247
01:19:50,560 --> 01:19:54,040
Speaker 3: The more you practice long distances, the more you practice

1248
01:19:54,080 --> 01:19:57,280
Speaker 3: weird situations that you're going to in toner hunting. You

1249
01:19:57,400 --> 01:20:01,280
Speaker 3: know what, higher you success on its right along with it,

1250
01:20:01,920 --> 01:20:05,479
Speaker 3: and so does this And when at least, speaking for myself,

1251
01:20:05,520 --> 01:20:07,160
Speaker 3: when my head is in the game, and when I

1252
01:20:07,320 --> 01:20:10,479
Speaker 3: believe I wouldn't want to be into here out there,

1253
01:20:11,160 --> 01:20:13,360
Speaker 3: when my heavy in the game, and I don't believe

1254
01:20:13,479 --> 01:20:15,160
Speaker 3: I wouldn't want to be me out there because it's

1255
01:20:15,160 --> 01:20:16,040
Speaker 3: gonna end real poor.

1256
01:20:17,640 --> 01:20:21,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's great advice, and I think it's an important reminder,

1257
01:20:22,000 --> 01:20:24,599
Speaker 2: and especially important reminder for this time of year, because

1258
01:20:24,640 --> 01:20:27,080
Speaker 2: I think a lot of people take their practice pretty

1259
01:20:27,120 --> 01:20:29,720
Speaker 2: serious in the summer and those weeks leading up to

1260
01:20:29,760 --> 01:20:33,080
Speaker 2: the season and maybe even through October. But when November hits,

1261
01:20:33,560 --> 01:20:35,200
Speaker 2: a lot of us are in the woods a lot,

1262
01:20:35,600 --> 01:20:37,760
Speaker 2: and especially when you gets to late season now it's

1263
01:20:37,840 --> 01:20:40,960
Speaker 2: cold and snowy, and I think for a lot of folks,

1264
01:20:41,080 --> 01:20:44,400
Speaker 2: practice drops off dramatically during this time period, and that

1265
01:20:44,600 --> 01:20:46,960
Speaker 2: is a it's a big mistake for all those things,

1266
01:20:47,000 --> 01:20:50,000
Speaker 2: all those reasons you just described, keeping yourself sharp, keeping

1267
01:20:50,080 --> 01:20:53,640
Speaker 2: yourself feeling confident. You know, that's just as important on

1268
01:20:54,120 --> 01:20:58,120
Speaker 2: November twenty fourth and December fifteenth as it is October one, and.

1269
01:20:58,200 --> 01:21:00,280
Speaker 3: I would just throw one last thing in there that

1270
01:21:00,360 --> 01:21:02,799
Speaker 3: I forgot to mention, for the love of God, practice

1271
01:21:02,840 --> 01:21:06,560
Speaker 3: with those layers, because the time to figure out that

1272
01:21:06,640 --> 01:21:09,160
Speaker 3: that's throwing your shot three inches to the right is

1273
01:21:09,320 --> 01:21:12,719
Speaker 3: not when you're shooting at a buck that has already

1274
01:21:12,760 --> 01:21:16,960
Speaker 3: got your nerves flattered frazzles to the point where you're

1275
01:21:17,000 --> 01:21:19,639
Speaker 3: going to accidentally shoot four inches to the right. Ready,

1276
01:21:20,560 --> 01:21:23,200
Speaker 3: and now you throw an extra three inches and now

1277
01:21:23,400 --> 01:21:27,400
Speaker 3: you got problems. Now you're going on a wild goose chase,

1278
01:21:27,479 --> 01:21:30,400
Speaker 3: and that is the least of your concerns. I'm sorry

1279
01:21:30,479 --> 01:21:33,560
Speaker 3: to get all preachy here, but and this is just

1280
01:21:33,760 --> 01:21:37,720
Speaker 3: my belief, but I believe it extremely strongly. God put

1281
01:21:37,840 --> 01:21:40,000
Speaker 3: us down on this earth as the number one predator.

1282
01:21:40,840 --> 01:21:45,880
Speaker 3: We have every right within reason tarve us whatever we

1283
01:21:46,520 --> 01:21:50,719
Speaker 3: will utilize, but a heck of a responsibility comes along

1284
01:21:50,800 --> 01:21:55,719
Speaker 3: with that too, and that means we don't waste these

1285
01:21:55,960 --> 01:22:01,559
Speaker 3: animals are essentially under our care. I know that's going

1286
01:22:01,600 --> 01:22:04,720
Speaker 3: to sound ridiculous to some people, but I'm telling you,

1287
01:22:04,840 --> 01:22:09,839
Speaker 3: nobody's gonna convince me any differently. When we are actually

1288
01:22:10,000 --> 01:22:12,479
Speaker 3: doing these types of things out in the deer ones.

1289
01:22:12,880 --> 01:22:16,320
Speaker 3: We are placing. There is a responsibility that comes along

1290
01:22:16,439 --> 01:22:23,880
Speaker 3: with our actions. And man, you forget about this selfishly.

1291
01:22:23,920 --> 01:22:25,840
Speaker 3: If this is what works for you, cling to it.

1292
01:22:28,360 --> 01:22:32,679
Speaker 3: If you actually do these things, your wild goose chases

1293
01:22:32,840 --> 01:22:37,519
Speaker 3: go way the heck down. And as they said, quite honestly,

1294
01:22:37,600 --> 01:22:40,439
Speaker 3: I'm sorry. We owe it to those animals we do

1295
01:22:41,840 --> 01:22:44,519
Speaker 3: to make sure that our shots are as good and

1296
01:22:44,720 --> 01:22:48,800
Speaker 3: ethical as they as they reasonably can be. Murphy's law

1297
01:22:48,880 --> 01:22:51,800
Speaker 3: is going to apply playing now, even when you do

1298
01:22:52,000 --> 01:22:56,960
Speaker 3: everything right every single time. The only people that have

1299
01:22:57,080 --> 01:22:59,839
Speaker 3: never missed dear, are never wounded deer, are either liars

1300
01:22:59,920 --> 01:23:03,920
Speaker 3: or are really really really bad hunters because they didn't

1301
01:23:03,960 --> 01:23:08,080
Speaker 3: get a bunch of opportunities. No, yeah, that stuff is

1302
01:23:08,160 --> 01:23:13,920
Speaker 3: gonna happen when we do everything perfect. So don't sabotage

1303
01:23:13,960 --> 01:23:16,280
Speaker 3: it before you let that arrow fly by taking shots.

1304
01:23:16,320 --> 01:23:20,479
Speaker 3: He shouldn't and do those silly little practice things because

1305
01:23:20,560 --> 01:23:24,519
Speaker 3: they make such a difference it's not even fun. And

1306
01:23:24,640 --> 01:23:26,400
Speaker 3: with that, I'll jump off my soapbox.

1307
01:23:26,479 --> 01:23:31,000
Speaker 2: Now, well, I think that is that's a perfect place

1308
01:23:31,080 --> 01:23:33,120
Speaker 2: for us to wrap this up, Steve, because that's that's

1309
01:23:33,200 --> 01:23:35,800
Speaker 2: so important and it's such a great reminder at this

1310
01:23:35,920 --> 01:23:38,559
Speaker 2: time of year, when when so many of us are

1311
01:23:38,600 --> 01:23:40,400
Speaker 2: obsessed with just getting a deer in front of us,

1312
01:23:41,120 --> 01:23:43,880
Speaker 2: I can I can speak from experience. Unfortunately, this year

1313
01:23:44,520 --> 01:23:48,240
Speaker 2: it is a very, very well, it's as bad of

1314
01:23:48,240 --> 01:23:49,920
Speaker 2: a feeling as you could ask for when you get

1315
01:23:49,960 --> 01:23:51,559
Speaker 2: that deer in front of you've been after all year

1316
01:23:51,840 --> 01:23:53,880
Speaker 2: and the shot doesn't go the way you want. So

1317
01:23:54,320 --> 01:23:57,479
Speaker 2: thank you for bringing that to the forefront again for us, Steve,

1318
01:23:57,520 --> 01:23:59,880
Speaker 2: and thanks so much for taking the time to do this.

1319
01:24:00,080 --> 01:24:02,400
Speaker 2: I think we've all learned a lot and I enjoyed it.

1320
01:24:02,520 --> 01:24:06,120
Speaker 3: I hope something worth while came of it. I can

1321
01:24:06,200 --> 01:24:09,640
Speaker 3: tell you it's followays my question always.

1322
01:24:11,640 --> 01:24:13,720
Speaker 2: All right, and that is going to do it for

1323
01:24:13,880 --> 01:24:17,200
Speaker 2: us today. Thank you for tuning in. Appreciate your support,

1324
01:24:17,400 --> 01:24:22,040
Speaker 2: Appreciate you listening. Keep the faith, keep on going. There

1325
01:24:22,080 --> 01:24:25,240
Speaker 2: are good times still ahead. The best does not necessarily

1326
01:24:25,360 --> 01:24:27,599
Speaker 2: have to be behind us. So I'm wishing you all

1327
01:24:27,600 --> 01:24:30,360
Speaker 2: the lack of the world, and until next time, stay

1328
01:24:31,200 --> 01:24:32,639
Speaker 2: wired to hunt.