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Speaker 1: On the Dog Cast, the questions asked if movies have

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Speaker 1: or do they have individualism the patriarchy? Zef and Best

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Speaker 1: start changing it with the Beck dol Casts. Hello and

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Speaker 1: welcome to the beckdel Cast. I'm your host, Caitlin Darante.

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Speaker 1: I'm your other host, Jamie Lautus, and we have a

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Speaker 1: podcast about the portrayal of women in movie. It's not

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Speaker 1: this one is a different one. It's a different one.

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Speaker 1: We're starting off hot. Yeah, we're doing role man hot today.

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Speaker 1: I kept telling myself, I'm gonna stop calling myself the

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Speaker 1: other host. Yeah, but I'm mothering myself, you know, I

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Speaker 1: just try to. I know, it's not your fault. It's

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Speaker 1: what do you do it? Yeah, don't do that. You're

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Speaker 1: like a who's a star? Who's this member of single

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Speaker 1: movie star? I'm Natalie Portman. I'm not Mila coup Is right?

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Speaker 1: That dirty? Okay? This is this is what happens when

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Speaker 1: our guests are late. I hit the MIC's hard, too hard.

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Speaker 1: Before we start, and then the opening as a disaster.

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Speaker 1: Normally I'm very together for the opening, and then it

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Speaker 1: He is a writer for SpongeBob square Pants. Hey cool,

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Speaker 1: and he is with the Democratic Socialists of America the

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Speaker 1: Los Angeles chapter. Interesting juxtaposition, Josh Androwski. Hello, I'd also

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Speaker 1: like to point out I was a writer for I

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Speaker 1: did nothing I say currently reflects the values of the

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Speaker 1: Nickelodeon Corporation, Like look, come see, I couldn't say that

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Speaker 1: they you can. You gotta sneak it in. Yeah, sneak

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Speaker 1: it in. Get a lot of socialism into that show too, Okay,

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Speaker 1: socialism income we're off the bat. Let's talk gender roles,

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Speaker 1: because I kept trying to get bright part Info Wars

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Speaker 1: and shipped to get mad at me for Colin Baron

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Speaker 1: Trump a waterhead, but they only got mad at women

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Speaker 1: that did it right, because not just the way it

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Speaker 1: all about the thing. It's just about men that aren't

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Speaker 1: about it. I would like to reallocate some things that

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Speaker 1: I could take them, dude. Yeah, what do I do

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Speaker 1: all day? I got a bookieboard, put it on my

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Speaker 1: bookie board, unpacked and put it onto my bookie board. Wow,

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Speaker 1: what a great transition to the movie we're talking. Oh

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Speaker 1: that that was on purpose. I just love books. Who

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Speaker 1: uses the word bookie with any regularity? Hello, let's take

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Speaker 1: the transition. Let's ride that wave. Yeah. Oh whoa, whoa, whoa.

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Speaker 1: I know. Let's see how many bad puns we can

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's it's a squeeze. That's I think the

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Speaker 1: you haven't guessed or the movie is Boogie Nights, written

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Speaker 1: school friends. If you want to believe some of the stories,

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Speaker 1: I haven't heard those stories. He stole the whole movie.

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Speaker 1: He made it with his friends and that was like bye,

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Speaker 1: and then made it himself. But just you know, typical man.

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Speaker 1: I never will trust three names. I enjoy this film,

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Speaker 1: I perhaps enjoy this three names creative output, sure, but

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Speaker 1: I love him this movie. I also am a just

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Speaker 1: I saw this movie as part of like that like

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Speaker 1: know about. Much like Penn State, this movie also features

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Speaker 1: we've all had our hogs out this entire time. Yep.

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Speaker 1: I'm a great, bright, beautiful, shining star. Okay, to all

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Speaker 1: it's hogs Out. It's the Bexel Cats. Hogs out, grow up.

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Speaker 1: when he's about to have his first sex scene with

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00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:10,440
Speaker 1: amber A k a Pink Nips and they're like, Okay,

421
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:12,159
Speaker 1: here's what you're gonna do. And he's like, well do

422
00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:14,440
Speaker 1: we just go like right into the sex And he's

423
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:16,680
Speaker 1: like yeah, yeah, And then he turns to Ambery he's like,

424
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:19,480
Speaker 1: are you okay with that? Like, so he's like making

425
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:21,760
Speaker 1: sure everything is about to happen is something that she's

426
00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:24,880
Speaker 1: consenting to. So you know, that was interesting to see

427
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:28,280
Speaker 1: on screen. Um, and also like not a big deal,

428
00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:30,440
Speaker 1: Like it wasn't like, you know, it wasn't one of

429
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:32,480
Speaker 1: those things where it's like we're going to talk about consent,

430
00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:35,040
Speaker 1: but like very quietly throughout, like you could root for

431
00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:39,080
Speaker 1: Mark Wahlbert because the entire time he was like, very

432
00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:43,720
Speaker 1: I feel like consenting and wasn't the monster that you

433
00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:46,639
Speaker 1: would expect somebody that was on that much cocaine and

434
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:50,000
Speaker 1: an important industry to be right. In fact, not a

435
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:52,960
Speaker 1: lot of the characters were as villainous as you might

436
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:56,160
Speaker 1: think considering the industry that they were working. And although

437
00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:59,639
Speaker 1: there is that part whenever I think Amber is making

438
00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:05,160
Speaker 1: a documentary about porn or specifically her colleagues, and she's like, well,

439
00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:08,520
Speaker 1: what about the violence that's happening towards women in these movies,

440
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:12,280
Speaker 1: and he's she's speaking specifically about the Brocklanders series, and

441
00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:15,359
Speaker 1: Dirk's just like, well, like whatever, that's just what the

442
00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:18,040
Speaker 1: movie is, Like, that's my character, that's not me. And

443
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:21,200
Speaker 1: then read Rothchild said something similar. He's like, well, if

444
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:23,480
Speaker 1: you know, if movies cause violence, and then we could

445
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:26,280
Speaker 1: just eliminate violence altogether by getting rid of movies. And

446
00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:28,520
Speaker 1: it's like, I feel like that at least is portrayed

447
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:32,119
Speaker 1: as like comedy, they're stupid. Yeah, exactly, it was played

448
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:34,639
Speaker 1: for comedy. That was one of the dumbest moments they had.

449
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:36,520
Speaker 1: It was like that, and then the when they recorded

450
00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:39,080
Speaker 1: their song, We're like there too, funny sidest moments like

451
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:41,320
Speaker 1: as friends. That was another scene that was so hard

452
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:45,040
Speaker 1: to watch because they were so bad at music and

453
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:49,359
Speaker 1: Dirk Deggler is the worst singers. And then they were like,

454
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:51,639
Speaker 1: we made gold here. If we could just get our tapes,

455
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:53,679
Speaker 1: we could have a record deal and give us our

456
00:26:53,720 --> 00:27:01,080
Speaker 1: tapes because that's everyone we know. Delusion, I live for Delusion. Well,

457
00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:09,480
Speaker 1: rock you, we will like a little kitten. The tone

458
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:12,439
Speaker 1: of this movie is very interesting because it goes from

459
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 1: like having quite a bit of comic relief to that

460
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:19,119
Speaker 1: whole sequence where like everyone is like they've totally sucked

461
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:22,360
Speaker 1: their lives up. And it starts with William H. Macy

462
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 1: shooting his wife and her lover and then himself, and

463
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:30,399
Speaker 1: then that just becomes this whole sequence where everyone is

464
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:34,680
Speaker 1: a disaster. They're all like coke aduled and they're jerking

465
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 1: off for ten dollars in front of people, which they

466
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:41,479
Speaker 1: were doing at the beginning. Its Well, it was a

467
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 1: fun full circle moment when he's jerking off for ten

468
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:47,920
Speaker 1: dollars again. Well, I'll get back there, sure, but like it.

469
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:53,639
Speaker 1: And this sequence is so tragic people are getting the

470
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:56,520
Speaker 1: ship beat out of them and stuff, but um so

471
00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:59,520
Speaker 1: that the tone kind of shifts, but then it shifts

472
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:02,160
Speaker 1: back again end towards the end of the movie where

473
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:04,800
Speaker 1: they're all like, hey, it's all right, I took my

474
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 1: g E d and I get to be in a

475
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:08,960
Speaker 1: poor movie again and I'm going to show my dick

476
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 1: and because I'm I'm Dirk Diggler and I'm cool. But

477
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 1: there's so much there's a bunch of like running jokes,

478
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 1: where one is when William H. Macy keeps walking in

479
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:24,399
Speaker 1: on his wife sucking some other dude and he's like,

480
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:26,000
Speaker 1: what the hell are you doing and she's just like,

481
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:30,160
Speaker 1: get out of here. You're embarrassing me. And that has

482
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:31,920
Speaker 1: one of my favorite line, one of my favorite lines

483
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:34,159
Speaker 1: of the movie, which is actually a funk up that

484
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 1: they kept in where he goes Williams goes up to

485
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 1: Ricky J. The magician and the I R L magician

486
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:44,600
Speaker 1: who was in this movie, and he goes, my wife

487
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 1: has an assent her cock in the driveway and it's

488
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 1: not and he's just so flustered that he says ass

489
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:52,360
Speaker 1: in her cock and that was a funk up, but

490
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 1: they kept it in because Paul Thomas Anderson just loved

491
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:58,880
Speaker 1: how legit flustered Little Bill was. And yeah, I caught

492
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:01,560
Speaker 1: that and I wrote it down, is like that is funny,

493
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 1: total funk up by William H. Macy. Not planned what

494
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 1: fun up. He's unnoticed that running joke is like such

495
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 1: a class example of like the rule of three, and

496
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 1: it heightened each time, and then at the very end,

497
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 1: like how much more can you heighten it besides like

498
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 1: suicides exactly, But like up until then, it was like

499
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 1: a really funny running gag. And but also it spoke

500
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:30,120
Speaker 1: to the power that women had over men in this movie.

501
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 1: And that's something that I really tried to watch it,

502
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 1: like really focusing on the women in this movie because

503
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 1: usually I'm a read rothchild. That's how I watched the movie.

504
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 1: I watched it from his perspective, like when I was

505
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 1: like a teen, I just like the John c Riley

506
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 1: and then trying not to be the philipsine more Hoffman.

507
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:50,480
Speaker 1: But I watched how the women affected the men and

508
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 1: how they interacted with each other a lot, and women

509
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 1: had the power almost throughout the entire movie except for

510
00:29:56,560 --> 00:30:00,640
Speaker 1: when the ship hit like really hit the ski kids

511
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,800
Speaker 1: was when like there weren't that as much like women

512
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:06,000
Speaker 1: in charge. Like the whole reason that this happened was

513
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 1: because Marky Mark's mom is the most powerful woman in

514
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 1: that family, you know, like if you're talking like pure

515
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 1: power dynamics, cook Dad, cook dad, and then like wanted

516
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 1: to her son. Maybe it was weird that there was

517
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:21,239
Speaker 1: a weird moment in the beginning when he shoves here

518
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 1: against the wall. I was like, are they get kissed? Yeah?

519
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:28,480
Speaker 1: I did not interpret it that way. Oh I felt

520
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 1: it it was this morning for mommy. Yeah, no, but

521
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:33,920
Speaker 1: that I mean that was interesting because it's like, you know,

522
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:36,240
Speaker 1: the movie is already so long, there was no time

523
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 1: to explain why the family dynamic was that way per se,

524
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:43,719
Speaker 1: but it was so like it heightened so quickly and

525
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:46,920
Speaker 1: so intensely. I guess that's like one of the female

526
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 1: characters where I was like why is that? You know,

527
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:53,600
Speaker 1: like why is that the dynamic here? She understood why

528
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:56,400
Speaker 1: they did it for like narrative reasons, because she's basically

529
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:59,080
Speaker 1: the catalyst that gets him to be like Okay, I'm

530
00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 1: gonna choose his path of being and I need a daddy,

531
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 1: right yeah. Also, yeah, a mommy and a daddy. Yeah.

532
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 1: So basically Amber ends up being his like mother figure,

533
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 1: and then Jack Horner ends up being his father figure.

534
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 1: And so it was kind of upsetting to see his mom,

535
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:20,480
Speaker 1: his actual mom, being such like a shrew and just

536
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 1: such an awful person. But I mean that's how some

537
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 1: people are, so you know, I guess it makes sense.

538
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:32,600
Speaker 1: And the dad was portrayed just as shitty. He like

539
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 1: had no idea how to connect with his son at

540
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:37,480
Speaker 1: all or his wife for the world that you could

541
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:39,160
Speaker 1: just how this guy was, like it was one of

542
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 1: those three you just like staring out of a window

543
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 1: and then the scenery behind him changes. About that dad, Yeah,

544
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 1: spin up movie cut dad, cut daddy, cut daddy. So, Josh,

545
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 1: your point about like women kind of being the most

546
00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:01,200
Speaker 1: powerful force of the movie, I I agree, and I disagree.

547
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 1: I do like how anytime there's a sex scene, it's

548
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 1: often like on the women's terms and they're like calling

549
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 1: the shots and they're saying like, don't come inside me,

550
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:12,320
Speaker 1: I never take my roller skates off, blah blah blah.

551
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 1: But in terms of like the actual narrative and the

552
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 1: portrayal of their stories, like so every single character or

553
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 1: every main character has their own subplot where they have

554
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 1: like an individual desire or something they're pursuing. So you've

555
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 1: got like Don Cheatle wants to open a stereo store.

556
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 1: John c Riley wants to be a magician, and he's

557
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 1: like a musician and our poet and stuff like that,

558
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 1: and the sugar, the sugar is full of bees, but

559
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 1: the bees don't sting. Oh yeah, So you have these

560
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 1: different male characters have like these pretty strong desires, whereas

561
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 1: the women, in particular Roller Girl and Amber, they kind

562
00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 1: of have their subplots are just either like not as

563
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 1: clearly defined or if they do have like a distinct desire,

564
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 1: they're not pursuing it that ambitiously or nearly as ambitiously

565
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 1: as the men are. So like Amber's character she has

566
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:14,240
Speaker 1: a son. I mean, I feel free to disagree with me,

567
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 1: but um, she has a son and she is trying

568
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 1: to like pursue getting him back and it doesn't work

569
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 1: out for her. But I don't know, it just it

570
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 1: didn't strike me as like being as strong or is

571
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 1: a prominent part of the story as these other like

572
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 1: male subplots were. And then same thing with Roller Girl

573
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 1: to me, she can't. She's just you know, doing the movies.

574
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:36,480
Speaker 1: She wants to go back and get her G E D. Eventually,

575
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 1: that's something that's revealed because she drops out of high school,

576
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 1: but she doesn't really have a definitive desire that's like

577
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 1: carrying her subplot. I kind of disagree with that. I

578
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 1: think I think that they, you know, we could both.

579
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 1: We could argue that both these characters have clearly defined goals,

580
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 1: but they're just not as successful at achieving them. And

581
00:33:56,440 --> 00:34:00,480
Speaker 1: I think that that is like probably part of why

582
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 1: this movie reflects this industry and all this stuff where,

583
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 1: you know, for the guys that feel like it pans

584
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 1: out in a more black and white way. But I

585
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 1: think that with with Uh, with Amber she wants her son,

586
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:16,400
Speaker 1: and then we see with the documentary she makes that

587
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 1: she also sort of has higher aspirations than just being

588
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 1: like the true woman important and neither of those really

589
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 1: pan out for her. But I feel like there is

590
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 1: like an aspiration for something more and in your right

591
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:30,840
Speaker 1: that it's a little bit less defined. But Uh, and

592
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 1: then Roller Girl with her G E D also you know,

593
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:38,800
Speaker 1: like lots of roadblocks. But I don't know, I didn't

594
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:43,279
Speaker 1: I did think that for sure, every character's subplot was

595
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:46,440
Speaker 1: clearly defined, and just for the female characters, it didn't

596
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 1: tend to work out as black and white. I would

597
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 1: also say that, um, they're most Both of their most

598
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:56,839
Speaker 1: intense desires were freedom, like the freedom to do what

599
00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 1: they want as women. You know. I think that that

600
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:02,279
Speaker 1: was like, really the crux of ambers thing was she

601
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:06,720
Speaker 1: liked to party and fuck and be the mother of

602
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:09,360
Speaker 1: all of these people who are already old enough to

603
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 1: agree with her and want to do But then she

604
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 1: wanted her son, like she wanted to have it both ways,

605
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 1: and like it's the seventies, you know, like and same

606
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:19,720
Speaker 1: with the roller girl, like you saw her in school,

607
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 1: like she was trying hard to like figure it out,

608
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 1: and then like the dudes at the school were fucking assholes,

609
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:27,359
Speaker 1: and so she wanted the free She doesn't take off

610
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 1: her skates. She gets what she wants, you know, in

611
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 1: her way. I think it's a lot of it is

612
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:36,319
Speaker 1: a commentary on society like that time and how hard

613
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 1: it is for a woman to even be able to

614
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 1: come up with a distinct desire in this world, you know,

615
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:48,880
Speaker 1: like you're not useful in the seventies if you're a woman,

616
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 1: like to to capitalism, to industry, to whatever, you know,

617
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:55,799
Speaker 1: you would have to fight so much fucking harder. And

618
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:58,360
Speaker 1: so I think a lot of this was like the

619
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:01,400
Speaker 1: you know, last remnants of really love trying to like

620
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:05,360
Speaker 1: get for freedom. It also could be the men's characters

621
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 1: desires are more outward and the women's characters designs were

622
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:14,360
Speaker 1: more like internals. That's an interesting point though, because I

623
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 1: think that you could probably find a moment where every

624
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 1: male man or sub character clearly states what they want,

625
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:23,759
Speaker 1: maybe with the exception of Philip Seemore Hoffmann, because I

626
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:24,879
Speaker 1: don't want to kiss you on the math, I want

627
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 1: to kiss you in the mouth. He does. But but

628
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:31,359
Speaker 1: we don't really hear those sort of mission statements made

629
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 1: by the female characters, which maybe why it's less clear,

630
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 1: or if we do, you know, we could sort of

631
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:38,720
Speaker 1: argue that roller Girl sort of makes that mission statement,

632
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 1: uh in that scene where she's talking to Amber, but

633
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 1: that's yeah, like, but that's just them, you know, and

634
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:49,319
Speaker 1: it's like never stated to a male character. Yeah, And

635
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:51,080
Speaker 1: well that's also when she's like, I'm going to go

636
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 1: back and get my g E D. And we don't

637
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:57,319
Speaker 1: learn that about her until that's towards the end of

638
00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:01,759
Speaker 1: the movie. Yeah, but did she know that about her? Um,

639
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:04,359
Speaker 1: maybe not until that point. Is that what you mean?

640
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:08,279
Speaker 1: Maybe that was like a moment of clarity for her.

641
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:10,719
Speaker 1: She has kicked around for quite a bit of the

642
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 1: movie before we know what she actually wants. We also

643
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 1: have to remember that she's very young and like but

644
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 1: the same thing seduced into this world, just like Eddie

645
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 1: from Torrents. You know. But yeah, I mean this is

646
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:27,799
Speaker 1: why this movie is, like, it's very complex. So it's

647
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 1: like kind of difficult to at least for me to

648
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:34,319
Speaker 1: very long. It's very to take a walk. It's two

649
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:37,919
Speaker 1: and a half hours long. Yeah, that exceeds my attention span.

650
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 1: But I did my best. Wait, you so you've seen

651
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:43,919
Speaker 1: it countless time, So you spent like day's worth of time,

652
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 1: Probably at least two days of my life. It's been

653
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:51,759
Speaker 1: watching Boogie Nights and I love it. I mean, Titanic

654
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 1: is three and a half hours long. I've probably seen

655
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:57,320
Speaker 1: it fifty times. Yeah, we've maybe a whole week, probably

656
00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 1: at least three days watching the Jinks. Yeah, like I

657
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 1: think all the way through talked about him no bathroom breaks.

658
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 1: I am on a piss strike. I am announcing it

659
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 1: now on this podcast two years. Hey, here's a question

660
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:20,839
Speaker 1: in The Big Lebowski. Whenever the dude meets Jackie Treehorn,

661
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:24,880
Speaker 1: is that I wonder if that's a vague allusion to

662
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:28,440
Speaker 1: well Jack Corner. Isn't that like a nursery friend, little Jack? Yeah,

663
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:33,279
Speaker 1: I mean that's a fake name, Corner, Yeah, pointing themselves.

664
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 1: I should have chosen a porn scout name for myself.

665
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, actually I had one because my boss. My

666
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 1: boss made me business cards to hand out that I

667
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 1: never did, never handed a single one out to anyone.

668
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 1: You should start handing them out now. I might still

669
00:38:54,239 --> 00:39:00,279
Speaker 1: have that. I kept my first name, but my last

670
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:05,880
Speaker 1: name was Kelly. Caitlyn Kelly for right now. That's a

671
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 1: great name. I think you're going to say your name

672
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:10,839
Speaker 1: was like sex Xena. Oh that would have been good.

673
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 1: Fuck guy, horsewoman Caitlin the Hog, big old hog Kelly.

674
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:25,840
Speaker 1: Hogs out hogs out grow up dogs out Kelly. Let's

675
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:33,760
Speaker 1: let's do our general tests, Aristole. If we forget any less, no, uh,

676
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 1: steampunk imagery in this movie, I'm happy to report very low.

677
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:43,480
Speaker 1: Is there any steampunk immagery that not a rogue gear.

678
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:46,840
Speaker 1: And there's two magicians in the movie. There's two magicians,

679
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 1: and yet they suck, and so steampunk culture is not glorified.

680
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 1: I'd like to point out that Josh Androwski is currently

681
00:39:54,440 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 1: vaping the vision. It smells like coffee. It smells like

682
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:09,919
Speaker 1: breakfast here, bab um. What else? There's no bald women

683
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 1: in this movie, so I can't apply her bald woman test.

684
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:14,920
Speaker 1: What else is? We did mention Titanic already? We did

685
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:17,720
Speaker 1: mention Titanic. We said grow up? Did we say I'm triggered?

686
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 1: If not, I'm triggered. I've said it a couple of times. Okay,

687
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:22,719
Speaker 1: you've been triggered quite a bit. Yeah, this is very

688
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 1: trigger woman. There's no women. It doesn't pass the fact text.

689
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 1: Wait doesn't it? Because I was gonna say that's not

690
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:39,120
Speaker 1: stem I wish that roller Girl had had a more

691
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 1: defined desire. She wanted to go back and get her

692
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 1: g e d to specifically go on to be a

693
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:48,279
Speaker 1: woman instead. I want to be a woman instead. Hold on.

694
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 1: Julianne Moore explains the process in which a chemical enters

695
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 1: your body Cocaine to Marky Mark the first time he

696
00:40:57,120 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 1: does it, which is chemistry that ain't STEMP. There's also

697
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 1: a lot of chemistry in this movie that ain't STEMP.

698
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:11,760
Speaker 1: Baby chemistry, the lab, the chemistry between Julianne Moore and

699
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:14,120
Speaker 1: Mark Wahlberg during that first sex scene when she says

700
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:22,919
Speaker 1: to come in her Oh like a romantic chemistry. Funny. Okay,

701
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:28,240
Speaker 1: Josh was doing it funny. We didn't realize what's up there? Oh,

702
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:32,319
Speaker 1: how many degrees you have? I have two degrees. I

703
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 1: mentioned one of them already, a film degree from Penn State.

704
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 1: Do you just can't stop? I can't. And then I

705
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 1: have a second, a master's degree in screenwriting from Boston University.

706
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 1: I still just got my one in radio broadcasting. I

707
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:50,799
Speaker 1: dropped out of high school. Much like roller Girl, I'm

708
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:53,280
Speaker 1: the roller Girl of the Los Angeles East Side alternative

709
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:57,880
Speaker 1: comedy scene. I kept wanting to be able to drop

710
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:01,799
Speaker 1: parallels from like the porn industry to like the comedy community.

711
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 1: It's very similar, I think. So you're listening to nine,

712
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:10,399
Speaker 1: this is oh I forgot in the other episode where

713
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:12,759
Speaker 1: I did my R and B late night radio show boy,

714
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:14,720
Speaker 1: was that I gave the wrong name to the show

715
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 1: and the actual name of the show is way better.

716
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 1: It's you're listening to this secret spot. Oh no, that

717
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:27,480
Speaker 1: sounds like a Louis Guzman club name the Rodriquez Brothers's

718
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:33,399
Speaker 1: supposed to be and all he wants he just wants

719
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:35,479
Speaker 1: to be in one of the movies. Yeah, yeah, wants

720
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 1: to be fucking a lady, which he doesn't get to do.

721
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:40,240
Speaker 1: But he wants his brother to see him a lady,

722
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:43,920
Speaker 1: but his brothers get to see him betraying Chess Rockwell

723
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 1: and read roth your wait Chess Rockwell? And what was

724
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:49,879
Speaker 1: Dirk Deegler's fake name rock Landers? And then he gets

725
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 1: punched and falls way too early? Uh can we tell?

726
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 1: One of my favorite jokes in the movie is they're

727
00:42:57,040 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 1: going shopping with the money that like Dirk Degler now

728
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 1: as from like and they have a pair of shoes

729
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:05,759
Speaker 1: and someone goes, oh are they lizard and he goes, no,

730
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:12,839
Speaker 1: they're Italian. Loved it. My other favorite thing is Jesse St.

731
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 1: Vincent in her oil paintings. Yes they are very bad,

732
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 1: but that's another thing where it's like that she very

733
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 1: quietly has an ambition and doesn't talk about it. She

734
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:27,760
Speaker 1: doesn't externalize it like the men do. And then also, um,

735
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:31,760
Speaker 1: what's her name um that Don Jetle was with Becky Barnett.

736
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 1: Becky Barnett also just like gets out of the industry,

737
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 1: marries a man that she clearly liked more than Don Jeedle.

738
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, he was in the auto industry. They moved

739
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:47,880
Speaker 1: to Bakersfield, and she was she got married and she

740
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 1: was super happy, and she was totally she seemed like

741
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:52,439
Speaker 1: the most well adjusted one out of all of them

742
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 1: and got the funk out and was super quiet about it.

743
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 1: And so I think there is definitely something to the

744
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:59,400
Speaker 1: idea of the men just so externalizing their desires and

745
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:02,359
Speaker 1: the women in herinalizing them more. And but I think

746
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 1: she out of everybody because everybody else's success comes at

747
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:09,719
Speaker 1: hitting a real bottom. And as the movie has it,

748
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:13,960
Speaker 1: Becky Barnett, she gets out, she gets a family, she's

749
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:16,359
Speaker 1: living in Bakersfield with her husband, who's got a nice

750
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:19,400
Speaker 1: job for that, you know, for like the early eighties

751
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 1: management baby, Yeah bring it. Ah. Yeah, that is interesting.

752
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 1: I I kind of forgot about Becky Um. She gets

753
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 1: very little screen time. She and Jesse st Vincent don't

754
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:33,400
Speaker 1: have a ton of screen time. Yeah, I don't know,

755
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:36,319
Speaker 1: I mean, I I was I kind of forgot about that,

756
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:38,719
Speaker 1: And it's funny because I think it would be sort

757
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:40,640
Speaker 1: of like an easy gag to be like, oh and

758
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:44,239
Speaker 1: Jesse sam Vincent sucks at painting. But no one in

759
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 1: this movie is very good at anything, regardless of gender.

760
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:53,279
Speaker 1: Everyone's kind of fucking mediocre and just scraping by, Like

761
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 1: you know, Amber's documentary is not good. John c Riley

762
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 1: is not good at poetry or magic, like everyone's sort

763
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:05,759
Speaker 1: of sucking. Is a horrible singer, he's yeah, yeah, and

764
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 1: that's kind of sad, like all of their ambitions with

765
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:10,279
Speaker 1: I don't know, I can't I don't know if I

766
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:13,480
Speaker 1: can think of any Jack Horner's movies suck. Yeah, I'm

767
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 1: just about to say sad they're not good, and I

768
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 1: mean sure, like low budget porn movies aren't gonna be

769
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 1: but those are sure. And then he kept saying like

770
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 1: I want to make films. I want I want people

771
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:30,960
Speaker 1: to sit and watch and stew in that. So just

772
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:34,239
Speaker 1: because they're so engaged with the story, I think the

773
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 1: thing is And this gets to another reason why I

774
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:40,240
Speaker 1: really like this movie is that it portrays sex workers

775
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 1: as just people. These people are, They're they're not great,

776
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:47,080
Speaker 1: They're not bad like they're somewhere in between. They're just

777
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 1: human beings. Even like the new trailer where like it's

778
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 1: like the so called feminist movie where they like accidentally

779
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 1: kill a stripper, you know, it's like fuck you, Like yeah,

780
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:00,960
Speaker 1: like this this movie's portrayal of sex works like an

781
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:03,840
Speaker 1: honest thing that just people do and then leave or

782
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:06,640
Speaker 1: then go back to or whatever. It's the same as anything.

783
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 1: It's the same as any people. And I think that

784
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 1: is a really underplayed part of the movie, is that

785
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 1: just how fucking real all these people are and they

786
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 1: also happen to be sex workers. Yeah, I'm on board

787
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:22,399
Speaker 1: co signed. You know what, I would like to take

788
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:26,799
Speaker 1: credit for all that I like to co sign, but

789
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:30,239
Speaker 1: now it's mine. Yeah. Well, as when you agree to

790
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:32,279
Speaker 1: do this podcast, if you give any like cool and

791
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:36,239
Speaker 1: good opinions, they actually become ours. That I should have

792
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:39,279
Speaker 1: read the fine prints to the podcast once before I

793
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 1: flip the table. Go flift the table. It's that that's

794
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 1: really all I ever want to do in my whole life.

795
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:47,760
Speaker 1: If I flip to table today, I can die tomorrow

796
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:51,320
Speaker 1: and totally fine, Well, you gotta wait to plup that table.

797
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:53,279
Speaker 1: It's got to be the perfect table. Because if you

798
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 1: waste it on this, I barely a table, folks. My

799
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:00,520
Speaker 1: Here's how I think this is going to go. I'm

800
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 1: going to live to be ninety four years old beyond

801
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:07,320
Speaker 1: my deathbed, and my great great grandchild will be like, hey,

802
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:15,040
Speaker 1: you move. Did you ever flip that table? And I'll

803
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:17,600
Speaker 1: say I'll look at my tattoo which reminds me to

804
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:20,319
Speaker 1: do it, and I'll say, no, I never did, and

805
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:24,600
Speaker 1: she'll set up a table and then I'll almost flip it,

806
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:27,160
Speaker 1: but I'll die in the middle. Here's how I wanted

807
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:29,799
Speaker 1: to have Here's how it should happen. So you're on

808
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:35,479
Speaker 1: a you're on a boat, a boat Titanic. Yeah, so

809
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:39,800
Speaker 1: you're gonna be like I've told my story about always

810
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 1: wanting to flip the table, and then you're going to

811
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 1: flip there over the edge of a boat and it's

812
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:47,359
Speaker 1: going to sink down into the water, and then you're

813
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:49,920
Speaker 1: going to go to sleep that night and die and

814
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 1: then go to heaven. And you're gonna see, don't even

815
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:57,160
Speaker 1: start with the heaven seed. I like tears jumped to

816
00:47:57,239 --> 00:48:00,680
Speaker 1: my eyes. Just wait and Titanic, do they go to heaven? Yes,

817
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 1: Patamic ends in heaven. They go to heaven. I'm sorry,

818
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:10,720
Speaker 1: I still think it's a dream. They go to heaven.

819
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:16,879
Speaker 1: It's not a dream, it's real life. And it's so

820
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:19,200
Speaker 1: sad because they walk in and you're like, it's all

821
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:22,960
Speaker 1: the beaters see characters, and then they got to hang

822
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:27,360
Speaker 1: out here too, and then they're all there. That's not

823
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:32,280
Speaker 1: the person heaven. Bit. Well, there's a lot of parallel heavens.

824
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 1: I don't understand why that would be hold on, you

825
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 1: can't just zoom right by that. There's a lot of

826
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:42,000
Speaker 1: parallel heavens who are all aware of that. What also,

827
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 1: why would everyone has their own Why would heaven be

828
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 1: the place died all those people died on the ship.

829
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 1: Why would their version of heaven be like, oh, remember

830
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:53,920
Speaker 1: the ship that killed me. Jesus is just on the

831
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:56,480
Speaker 1: cross in heaven, just hopping around on like the bottom

832
00:48:56,520 --> 00:49:00,080
Speaker 1: of the heaven. But what if it's mine, then what

833
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:02,480
Speaker 1: are you doing? Well? Then where is he? He has

834
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:04,239
Speaker 1: to know a little bit and his heaven that he's

835
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:07,160
Speaker 1: doing that in mind, it's parallel, Jesus. What if heaven

836
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:09,440
Speaker 1: is like you get plugged into the matrix or like

837
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:11,759
Speaker 1: what I mean want and then you're like, this is

838
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:14,320
Speaker 1: how I don't make this into sci fi. I'm having

839
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:19,080
Speaker 1: fun with my heaven, my heaven when my heaven would

840
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:23,359
Speaker 1: be Yeah, that last thing in Titanic except I am

841
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 1: Fabricio's girlfriends. You're even a minor character in your own

842
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:31,319
Speaker 1: heaven fun. Yes, Like at the beginning, I cast myself.

843
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:33,080
Speaker 1: I only have four five seconds of the screen time

844
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:36,520
Speaker 1: in my own movie. Wow, it's it's it's round. We're

845
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:39,120
Speaker 1: going in circles, just like we're on wheels. And my

846
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:42,399
Speaker 1: blood blood pressure is insane right now, did you bleed

847
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:45,360
Speaker 1: a lot or something? I feel like my bloods about

848
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:50,760
Speaker 1: to first out of my body all myfices. Yeah. Yeah,

849
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:55,560
Speaker 1: there's a surprising amount of the murder, and there's a

850
00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:57,080
Speaker 1: lot of blood. There's a lot of blood, a lot

851
00:49:57,080 --> 00:50:00,720
Speaker 1: of blood for people's heads and mouths and went in Titanic, No,

852
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:03,600
Speaker 1: they cut that all out. I was like, can we

853
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:06,520
Speaker 1: talk about Titanic now? Remember when they used the necklace

854
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:09,280
Speaker 1: to strangle all those people. Well, there's murder in both movies.

855
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:11,719
Speaker 1: We can you know what, I'd love to keep talking

856
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:15,719
Speaker 1: about Titanic. I would not. I just thought a book nights.

857
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:18,080
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm bored. I want to talk about Titanic

858
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:23,439
Speaker 1: is so good. Does anyone have any And he's got

859
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:26,399
Speaker 1: heaven in it. Yeah, there is heaven in it. There's

860
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:29,480
Speaker 1: heaven and boogie Knights. Heaven and boogie Knights is the

861
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:32,160
Speaker 1: fucking when they all are dancing together and they all

862
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:35,480
Speaker 1: have a group dance routine on the disco, that's a metaphor,

863
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:39,239
Speaker 1: yea for heaven. Everything heaven and we're never going to die.

864
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:43,960
Speaker 1: That's heaven. Titannic is real heaven. And you take his

865
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:45,960
Speaker 1: hand and then it pans up and hey, it's the

866
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:51,480
Speaker 1: captain end of the movie. I'm triggered. Um, can we

867
00:50:51,520 --> 00:51:00,560
Speaker 1: talk about the scene where Dirk Diggler pulls out the out?

868
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:05,680
Speaker 1: I like that this movie is basically an extended objectification

869
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:09,000
Speaker 1: of a man based on his dick size. He's just

870
00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:11,759
Speaker 1: treated mostly as a commodity. They're like, you're we're going

871
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:13,719
Speaker 1: to make money off you because you're a huge dick,

872
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:17,799
Speaker 1: and that's what this movie is about. Um, and you're

873
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:19,799
Speaker 1: too stupid, like his mom is just like you're too

874
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:26,440
Speaker 1: stupid to know anything? Yeah something that. Yeah, that another

875
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:29,399
Speaker 1: hard scene to watch, especially because he almost sucked his mom.

876
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:33,120
Speaker 1: I don't I would have I would have forgiven everything.

877
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:37,759
Speaker 1: If they had just give me a little kiss. If

878
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:41,520
Speaker 1: he was like, Mom, give me a little kids, like mom,

879
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:45,600
Speaker 1: or give me a little kids. I want to kiss

880
00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:47,560
Speaker 1: my own. Let's talk about the same where he pulled

881
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:54,440
Speaker 1: his stick out in front of his mom. Mom to TVs.

882
00:51:54,680 --> 00:52:05,320
Speaker 1: Very need more oxygen. Okay, old hogs just left because

883
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:10,560
Speaker 1: he can't handle I I bet he's doing he's break. No,

884
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:12,800
Speaker 1: he's jerking off. We haven't have one of those inns.

885
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:15,320
Speaker 1: We haven't know he's jerking off in someone's paying in

886
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:20,360
Speaker 1: ten bucks. But he'll be thinking about a hog. Mom. Wait, okay,

887
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:22,759
Speaker 1: so this is what I was thinking about about hogs,

888
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:26,799
Speaker 1: old hogs wild hogs? Is that like a hogs reference?

889
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:30,879
Speaker 1: I mean, look, what isn't? But is it? I don't.

890
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:34,040
Speaker 1: I've never seen wild dogs, but I assume about motorcycles.

891
00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:37,440
Speaker 1: But it's like also like old dicks. So you're confusing

892
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:40,520
Speaker 1: old dogs. You're you're confusing old dogs as wild hogs,

893
00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:43,200
Speaker 1: which I totally understand. But there are two very different movies.

894
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:47,279
Speaker 1: Isn't there old hogs? No, that is a that is

895
00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:50,720
Speaker 1: a genre. That is just a genre. That's not a movie.

896
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:54,840
Speaker 1: That's a part. If you go, yeah, there is a U.

897
00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:59,080
Speaker 1: I purchased whippets last night at the exotic boutique right

898
00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:02,959
Speaker 1: by my house. There is an entire section of pornography

899
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:05,360
Speaker 1: that is like one of the titles was, Oops, I

900
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:09,600
Speaker 1: fuck your Grandma? Where do you get whip it? At

901
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:12,919
Speaker 1: the portant Place. I do want everyone that I am

902
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:15,920
Speaker 1: the whippet comedian. God damn it, I'm going to be

903
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:17,680
Speaker 1: the dug bends at a whipp Its. I didn't know

904
00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:21,040
Speaker 1: how many I'm gonna do all my shows at three eleven,

905
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:26,399
Speaker 1: which is the Times and whips get getting whipped with it.

906
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:30,759
Speaker 1: Your theme song can be getting whippy with It. There

907
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:35,920
Speaker 1: is literally a song called whipp It. There's you need

908
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:38,919
Speaker 1: to do any work for it. You got to write

909
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:45,160
Speaker 1: a different song. That's so much extra alright, deal, you

910
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:47,440
Speaker 1: can hire out the person who wrote the Bactel Cast

911
00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:51,839
Speaker 1: theme song to write who is Mike Kaplan wrote the lyrics? Okay?

912
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:53,759
Speaker 1: We were like, I think again, I can see my

913
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:57,839
Speaker 1: peripherals screen. It's three eleven. Okay, okay. You know what

914
00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:05,640
Speaker 1: turns out there is steampunk. You're in the weird chrome

915
00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:12,400
Speaker 1: steampunk vape cigarettes. It's like as long as a bugle,

916
00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:17,000
Speaker 1: it's ridiculous. One of the buttons a little flag on

917
00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:20,799
Speaker 1: FROs it his bag. He got vapid. He keeps he

918
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:24,960
Speaker 1: keeps blowing out smoke cloth. It's not smoke, gets vape.

919
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:29,200
Speaker 1: He keeps vaping little cogs out of his mouth and

920
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:32,920
Speaker 1: swayed vests. I hate it. Hey, does anyone have any

921
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:41,680
Speaker 1: final thoughts about the movie? I like it very poignant. Yes,

922
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:44,520
Speaker 1: so it does does a couple different times. I was

923
00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:47,239
Speaker 1: pleasantly it's in the first five minutes it does with

924
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:51,440
Speaker 1: the yeah yeah. Roller Girl rolls up to Amber at

925
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:54,560
Speaker 1: the table and Ambers like, hey, do you call that girl?

926
00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:56,640
Speaker 1: You gotta get that checked off. You don't call tomorrow,

927
00:54:56,680 --> 00:54:59,160
Speaker 1: you won't be able to get to see her. Presumably

928
00:54:59,239 --> 00:55:01,759
Speaker 1: she has a T I or an S t I

929
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:05,719
Speaker 1: or something. She'satively like, I imagine someone trying, you know,

930
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:07,080
Speaker 1: like if you have a U T I and someone

931
00:55:07,080 --> 00:55:09,160
Speaker 1: tries to talk to you and you're like, like, there's

932
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:12,440
Speaker 1: someone tries to dance with her. She's like, I gotta go, yeah,

933
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:15,680
Speaker 1: I'm on fire. Then it happens again. There's a montage

934
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:19,080
Speaker 1: where we see a few different scenes between Amber and

935
00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:22,399
Speaker 1: roller Girl. Again, they're doing a bunch of coke yeah,

936
00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:24,719
Speaker 1: rule girls, like let's take a pottery class. I want

937
00:55:24,719 --> 00:55:27,760
Speaker 1: to get my g e. D lasts for maybe fifteen

938
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:29,719
Speaker 1: seconds and then it cuts back and then she they

939
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:32,239
Speaker 1: are talking about Dirk for a minute. They're like I

940
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:35,040
Speaker 1: miss him. But then she's like, be my mom. Will

941
00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:37,800
Speaker 1: you say that you're my mom? And she's like, yes, honey,

942
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:40,560
Speaker 1: I'm your mom. And that's arguably the most intense part

943
00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:43,319
Speaker 1: of the entire movie. Like, like, I mean, it's a

944
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:46,520
Speaker 1: super intense movie at parts, but I mean it's to me,

945
00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:50,080
Speaker 1: it's more intense than the violence. It's more intense than

946
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:53,759
Speaker 1: any of the actual physical violence done. Is just the

947
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:57,120
Speaker 1: emotional violence of that scene and just they're so desperate

948
00:55:57,360 --> 00:55:59,440
Speaker 1: and they need each other so much and this world

949
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:01,879
Speaker 1: has given them fucking nothing and they just have each

950
00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:06,480
Speaker 1: other and it's like so intense. I've gotta I got

951
00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:13,000
Speaker 1: a vape. Yeah together, Aristotle. I want to talk about,

952
00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:17,040
Speaker 1: just real quick, the romantic relationships or sort of lack

953
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:22,480
Speaker 1: thereof in like maybe Jack is like dating slash with

954
00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:26,000
Speaker 1: roller Girl and Amber, we're not really sure, like no

955
00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:29,839
Speaker 1: one's really together, Like they're fucking on screen like on

956
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:33,000
Speaker 1: camera all the time, but no one like really had

957
00:56:33,080 --> 00:56:37,840
Speaker 1: except for like Don Cheatle and um Justine st Vincent.

958
00:56:38,239 --> 00:56:40,640
Speaker 1: The people who like get together and then they pair

959
00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:43,759
Speaker 1: off and then they basically leave the industry are really

960
00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:46,520
Speaker 1: the only ones who are like managed to like sustain

961
00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:49,880
Speaker 1: a like a solid romantic relationship everyone who stays in it,

962
00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:54,200
Speaker 1: which like stands to reason. I mean, like imagine trying

963
00:56:54,239 --> 00:56:57,840
Speaker 1: to sustain a relationship where you're just like, oh, but

964
00:56:57,920 --> 00:57:00,520
Speaker 1: you gotta go fuck my friend for money, right, But

965
00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:05,560
Speaker 1: also like it seems like Amber and Jack have an understanding,

966
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:08,080
Speaker 1: you know, they have a mutual respect almost like a

967
00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:10,920
Speaker 1: kind of but not even I wouldn't even say Henry

968
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:14,200
Speaker 1: because Jack for as fucking weird as he is and

969
00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:16,440
Speaker 1: and correct me if I'm wrong. As a man watching it,

970
00:57:16,560 --> 00:57:18,840
Speaker 1: Jack never came off like a creep, like the colonel

971
00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:22,240
Speaker 1: or even the other the guy that was the dying

972
00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:25,520
Speaker 1: guy in Magnolia that that was the videotape guy, like

973
00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:29,520
Speaker 1: all of them, like we're fucking creeps. But to me,

974
00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:32,520
Speaker 1: Jack never seemed like a creep. He just seemed like

975
00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:34,480
Speaker 1: he was like, I run a business, and I know

976
00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:36,440
Speaker 1: you're the type of people that would be in this business.

977
00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:39,600
Speaker 1: You need me, I need you, and let's have an understanding.

978
00:57:39,960 --> 00:57:43,040
Speaker 1: He didn't seem to exploit anyone more than necessary, more

979
00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:45,800
Speaker 1: than they wanted to be exploited for a moment at least,

980
00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:48,360
Speaker 1: you know, and then afterwards, like he stopped. And the

981
00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:51,560
Speaker 1: only true moment of exploitation you really saw at the

982
00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:54,360
Speaker 1: hands of a woman with Jack was that Limos scene

983
00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:57,880
Speaker 1: and Jack almost murdered the man afterwards. That did it?

984
00:57:58,040 --> 00:58:02,520
Speaker 1: You know, I feel like it is obviously per problematic,

985
00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:06,320
Speaker 1: but like there wasn't understanding we could speculate us to what.

986
00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:08,920
Speaker 1: He only went after him after he said, well, your

987
00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:11,560
Speaker 1: movie stuck now anyway, and that's what triggered him to

988
00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:16,040
Speaker 1: go and like be And then it was roller girl,

989
00:58:16,080 --> 00:58:18,400
Speaker 1: who's like, you disrespected me and then she stomps on

990
00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:21,520
Speaker 1: his face with her roller skates. Um, so who knows

991
00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:23,600
Speaker 1: a few if part of I mean he was talking

992
00:58:23,640 --> 00:58:26,000
Speaker 1: about like, hey, this this is a woman. Don't treat

993
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:28,560
Speaker 1: her like just a hole like in the fucking you

994
00:58:28,560 --> 00:58:31,000
Speaker 1: know Limo. So I mean, obviously, yeah, you could positive

995
00:58:31,120 --> 00:58:34,920
Speaker 1: that it was his the slight to his own ego

996
00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:36,440
Speaker 1: that made him do it. I could totally see that.

997
00:58:36,680 --> 00:58:38,480
Speaker 1: But it just was interesting to me in a movie

998
00:58:38,520 --> 00:58:41,640
Speaker 1: where it would have been so easy to paint people

999
00:58:41,720 --> 00:58:44,600
Speaker 1: with such broad strokes. Paul Thomas Anderson did such a

1000
00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:49,400
Speaker 1: great job of like finely detailing three names. Yeah. Uh No.

1001
00:58:50,040 --> 00:58:54,200
Speaker 1: Jack's character is is interesting to me, like because I

1002
00:58:54,200 --> 00:58:56,880
Speaker 1: don't think that he's a pervert either, but it's just

1003
00:58:56,920 --> 00:58:59,800
Speaker 1: like his I feel like his whole narrative is just

1004
00:58:59,840 --> 00:59:05,560
Speaker 1: like this really sad, desperate search for integrity of some sort.

1005
00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:09,280
Speaker 1: And he and it seems like he treats every area

1006
00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:11,960
Speaker 1: of his life with that approach of like I'm going

1007
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:14,560
Speaker 1: to approach the people I work with with integrity. I'm

1008
00:59:14,560 --> 00:59:17,640
Speaker 1: gonna try to approach my my own work with integrity.

1009
00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:21,080
Speaker 1: And none of it is great or works out well.

1010
00:59:21,080 --> 00:59:23,760
Speaker 1: But it's like I feel like he always compromises it.

1011
00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:26,600
Speaker 1: He always compromises it when push comes to shove, but

1012
00:59:26,720 --> 00:59:30,919
Speaker 1: like wants to believe that he's this principle alpha boy.

1013
00:59:31,120 --> 00:59:35,200
Speaker 1: There's a scene as everyone else is deteriorating in their lives,

1014
00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:38,400
Speaker 1: are going to ship. His also sort of is because

1015
00:59:38,560 --> 00:59:41,040
Speaker 1: first of all, he had to like compromise and switch

1016
00:59:41,120 --> 00:59:44,240
Speaker 1: to video, which he didn't really do, and then he's

1017
00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:49,720
Speaker 1: directing a movie with uh, a little boy, and then

1018
00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:53,920
Speaker 1: movie and and and uh and Jesse san Vincent's like,

1019
00:59:54,200 --> 00:59:55,880
Speaker 1: is he gonna suck me in the ass? And he's like,

1020
00:59:56,000 --> 00:59:57,720
Speaker 1: I don't know, do you want him to? And she's

1021
00:59:57,720 --> 00:59:59,520
Speaker 1: like yeah, that'd be great. He's like all right, fuck

1022
00:59:59,520 --> 01:00:02,200
Speaker 1: her in the as like he just he's kind of

1023
01:00:02,240 --> 01:00:04,520
Speaker 1: given up. He's like, well, I'm not I can't you

1024
01:00:04,520 --> 01:00:08,480
Speaker 1: know what is that is right? This isn't the art

1025
01:00:08,600 --> 01:00:14,120
Speaker 1: I was making rama. But when you're calm. I do

1026
01:00:14,240 --> 01:00:17,560
Speaker 1: like the scene where whenever the Dirk comes back and

1027
01:00:17,560 --> 01:00:19,520
Speaker 1: it's like I need help? Can you help me? And

1028
01:00:19,520 --> 01:00:23,440
Speaker 1: he's just like give me a huggle, pal. They make up. Yeah, yeah,

1029
01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:27,520
Speaker 1: but but it is God. Those characters are so weird,

1030
01:00:28,040 --> 01:00:30,400
Speaker 1: and I think that Julianne Moore's character is kind of this,

1031
01:00:30,520 --> 01:00:34,760
Speaker 1: like uh, people who like get off on being needed

1032
01:00:35,600 --> 01:00:38,520
Speaker 1: people around them, Like I think the Amber and Jack

1033
01:00:38,560 --> 01:00:40,400
Speaker 1: are both like that in a way that I feel

1034
01:00:40,440 --> 01:00:46,760
Speaker 1: like in real life is so weird. Yeah yeah, where

1035
01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:49,280
Speaker 1: they're like, you know, I know that you funked up

1036
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:51,080
Speaker 1: and I probably shouldn't forgive you, but I need to

1037
01:00:51,120 --> 01:00:53,360
Speaker 1: feel important, so I'm going to make this big show

1038
01:00:53,400 --> 01:00:56,080
Speaker 1: of forgiveness and then you're just like, this is not

1039
01:00:56,440 --> 01:00:58,760
Speaker 1: this is just gonna fault to ship again for sure.

1040
01:00:59,240 --> 01:01:01,480
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, most of the people in

1041
01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:04,560
Speaker 1: the movie have pretty severe emotional baggage. I mean, like

1042
01:01:04,600 --> 01:01:08,600
Speaker 1: we said before, one of the reasons that Dark leaves

1043
01:01:08,640 --> 01:01:12,880
Speaker 1: and like enters into this this enterprise is because his

1044
01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:16,960
Speaker 1: mom was HORRILYA is where you were going, I was

1045
01:01:16,960 --> 01:01:25,680
Speaker 1: gonna say horribly. He was very emotionally verbally abusive. Okay, daddy,

1046
01:01:27,560 --> 01:01:35,080
Speaker 1: market mark kiss, Yeah, daddy, I have to I'm just

1047
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:42,680
Speaker 1: cock daddy. I'm not too directed by Joel made. We're

1048
01:01:42,680 --> 01:01:47,120
Speaker 1: going to kill kill herself. I'm gonna flip a table. Yeah,

1049
01:01:47,680 --> 01:01:52,320
Speaker 1: his mom was very emotionally and verbally abusive, and you know,

1050
01:01:52,360 --> 01:01:57,320
Speaker 1: he hadn't so he had to leave. And so, like,

1051
01:01:57,360 --> 01:01:59,800
Speaker 1: I mean, we don't know a lot of other people's

1052
01:02:00,120 --> 01:02:03,240
Speaker 1: stories or any really, but we can kind of imagine

1053
01:02:03,240 --> 01:02:06,640
Speaker 1: that they all have a lot of emotional baggage. That

1054
01:02:06,880 --> 01:02:12,040
Speaker 1: except Cosmo, the Chinese boy who throws fireworks, she who

1055
01:02:12,080 --> 01:02:14,640
Speaker 1: is the true hero of the tale. Oh man, that

1056
01:02:14,840 --> 01:02:19,160
Speaker 1: scene is God, It's just one hard scene to watch

1057
01:02:19,240 --> 01:02:21,920
Speaker 1: after another. That scene is not hard to watch. That

1058
01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:24,640
Speaker 1: scene is the easiest scene to watch. That scene is

1059
01:02:24,680 --> 01:02:27,680
Speaker 1: such a payoff after so much brutal, fucking awful ship.

1060
01:02:27,840 --> 01:02:31,000
Speaker 1: It's just funny. It's funny, but I mean with the

1061
01:02:31,040 --> 01:02:34,360
Speaker 1: firecrackers going off, Yeah, it's start a lot. That's startling.

1062
01:02:34,400 --> 01:02:36,400
Speaker 1: And I love how they're so jumpy. It's just the

1063
01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:40,000
Speaker 1: most tense. Yeah, it is literally hard to watch in

1064
01:02:40,120 --> 01:02:43,680
Speaker 1: that there's booms and bangs throughout it, but it's not

1065
01:02:43,720 --> 01:02:48,200
Speaker 1: hard to watch like emotionally sure y yeah exactly, but yeah,

1066
01:02:48,240 --> 01:02:50,840
Speaker 1: that seems so funny. And Tom Jane, what a performance

1067
01:02:50,880 --> 01:02:55,360
Speaker 1: by Tom Jane. The dancer, the strip, the stripping, the

1068
01:02:55,360 --> 01:02:58,040
Speaker 1: stripper who comes in and ruins the heist at the end,

1069
01:02:58,280 --> 01:03:02,000
Speaker 1: who's Red's friend? But yeah, Tom Jane kills it as

1070
01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:05,320
Speaker 1: the Chippendal's dancer turned coke at it turned guy who

1071
01:03:05,320 --> 01:03:08,200
Speaker 1: introduces them all to Crystal meth. Uh, and I love

1072
01:03:08,240 --> 01:03:11,920
Speaker 1: watching his car, Like as soon as Tom Jane introduces

1073
01:03:11,960 --> 01:03:15,040
Speaker 1: them to Crystal meth, then you just the next time

1074
01:03:15,080 --> 01:03:18,880
Speaker 1: you see uh, Dirk Diggler's car, it looks like absolute shit,

1075
01:03:19,440 --> 01:03:21,440
Speaker 1: like you're out all the coke. His car looks fine.

1076
01:03:21,720 --> 01:03:23,560
Speaker 1: But then the minute he was like because that was

1077
01:03:23,560 --> 01:03:25,120
Speaker 1: also the first time that he was a dick to

1078
01:03:25,280 --> 01:03:28,080
Speaker 1: roller Girl was when Tom ja was like, careful to

1079
01:03:28,080 --> 01:03:31,000
Speaker 1: only do bumps. This is crystal and and fucking Dirk

1080
01:03:31,040 --> 01:03:34,040
Speaker 1: Tiggers like like he just takes a whole rail. And

1081
01:03:34,080 --> 01:03:36,000
Speaker 1: then roller girl comes in. She's like, how are you

1082
01:03:36,040 --> 01:03:40,760
Speaker 1: and he's like whatever, Yeah it is. I was impressed

1083
01:03:40,800 --> 01:03:44,000
Speaker 1: with how long Dirk Diggler is decent to people in

1084
01:03:44,040 --> 01:03:47,800
Speaker 1: this movie. He pretty far like Pique Philip Syemore homing

1085
01:03:47,840 --> 01:03:51,680
Speaker 1: like I'm so dummy, but I'm so horny. That's every

1086
01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:55,280
Speaker 1: Philip sye Ar hoping character ever, but Mark, and Mark

1087
01:03:55,440 --> 01:03:59,360
Speaker 1: handles it rather well and he's like no, but I

1088
01:03:59,400 --> 01:04:04,200
Speaker 1: love you yes, and then and then he leaves and

1089
01:04:04,200 --> 01:04:06,880
Speaker 1: it was like, oh, what a sweet little buff teenager. Yeah,

1090
01:04:07,640 --> 01:04:11,360
Speaker 1: he was such a sweet teen meat, sweet teen beef,

1091
01:04:11,800 --> 01:04:17,920
Speaker 1: sweet teen beef, sweet teen beef, sweet teen beef. Daddy's

1092
01:04:17,920 --> 01:04:29,200
Speaker 1: out there hogs out baby that sweet teens of consenting ages.

1093
01:04:29,640 --> 01:04:35,480
Speaker 1: Of course, without that hog. That's why I say in

1094
01:04:35,520 --> 01:04:39,240
Speaker 1: public at night, whoa. My phone just buzzed and said

1095
01:04:39,320 --> 01:04:46,320
Speaker 1: time for bed. Look, it's a time for bed. Can

1096
01:04:50,120 --> 01:04:53,960
Speaker 1: do that. You gotta go to sleep. Now. You talk

1097
01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:58,280
Speaker 1: too much about tea and beef, typer bed bed? Well,

1098
01:04:58,400 --> 01:05:00,760
Speaker 1: does anyone have any else do you you want to say

1099
01:05:00,760 --> 01:05:04,400
Speaker 1: about the movie, is that twenty minutes ago? Uh, Alphad

1100
01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:07,640
Speaker 1: Mallina steals a scene. Oh god, the one scene, the

1101
01:05:07,760 --> 01:05:09,840
Speaker 1: only scene that matter. If that movie was just that scene,

1102
01:05:09,840 --> 01:05:11,440
Speaker 1: I'd love it just as much. I would like to

1103
01:05:11,520 --> 01:05:15,920
Speaker 1: draw out the comparison of Alphad Mellina's scene Steeler in

1104
01:05:16,320 --> 01:05:22,240
Speaker 1: Boogie Nights to Christopher Waltkin scene Steeler and Jeelie, which

1105
01:05:22,280 --> 01:05:27,919
Speaker 1: is another movie done on that Uh that Klein gets

1106
01:05:27,960 --> 01:05:33,600
Speaker 1: upset just thinking about. I'm furious right now, you're driving

1107
01:05:33,600 --> 01:05:36,720
Speaker 1: me to vape. I'm sorry. It's a really good scene.

1108
01:05:36,960 --> 01:05:40,400
Speaker 1: Christopher Walkin clearly has food he brought from craft services

1109
01:05:40,480 --> 01:05:43,200
Speaker 1: and has it in the scene the whole time. We

1110
01:05:43,280 --> 01:05:46,240
Speaker 1: could hear you vaping, Oh my god, trying to do

1111
01:05:46,280 --> 01:05:48,200
Speaker 1: it as audibly as possible, because I do not care

1112
01:05:48,400 --> 01:05:52,080
Speaker 1: all about this story, what allowed vape, of the homes

1113
01:05:52,080 --> 01:05:55,920
Speaker 1: of vaping? Should we should we rate the movie? Yes? Okay?

1114
01:05:56,160 --> 01:06:00,440
Speaker 1: What's your scale? Oh? Zero to five? Nipples and nipples

1115
01:06:00,480 --> 01:06:04,560
Speaker 1: being great? Five nipples is the highest score. Nipples are good.

1116
01:06:05,880 --> 01:06:08,720
Speaker 1: You got to describe them. Okay, So you guys go first,

1117
01:06:08,760 --> 01:06:10,440
Speaker 1: or do you want me to go first? You go last?

1118
01:06:11,480 --> 01:06:14,640
Speaker 1: You're a man, put your muzzle back on. Shut up

1119
01:06:15,120 --> 01:06:18,240
Speaker 1: a second. But now I'm okay. Oh no, he's making

1120
01:06:18,280 --> 01:06:30,560
Speaker 1: too much control. He's in the main frame. See everything,

1121
01:06:31,400 --> 01:06:41,240
Speaker 1: numbers are colored. Did you give it though? Man? Again,

1122
01:06:41,360 --> 01:06:51,960
Speaker 1: I this movie is it's hard. It's a little muppet noise.

1123
01:06:52,160 --> 01:06:57,720
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess three and a half again. It's

1124
01:06:57,760 --> 01:07:02,200
Speaker 1: a movie about people working in porn, which again is

1125
01:07:02,360 --> 01:07:08,760
Speaker 1: an industry that revolves almost entirely around objectifying people. Although

1126
01:07:10,040 --> 01:07:12,880
Speaker 1: I think there may maybe some recent developments in the

1127
01:07:12,920 --> 01:07:16,200
Speaker 1: porn industry where people are kind of like taking back

1128
01:07:16,240 --> 01:07:19,400
Speaker 1: power and like this is porn for women and buy

1129
01:07:19,480 --> 01:07:24,040
Speaker 1: women and it's not so horrible. Yeah, because it's everyone's

1130
01:07:24,080 --> 01:07:27,160
Speaker 1: gonna come all the time. You're never going to stop

1131
01:07:27,160 --> 01:07:29,440
Speaker 1: people from coming. You could just stop the people from

1132
01:07:29,480 --> 01:07:32,480
Speaker 1: getting hurt to make other people come. Please stop reading

1133
01:07:32,520 --> 01:07:40,640
Speaker 1: my uncle's tombstones. Incredibly triggering, unbelievable. I guess r I

1134
01:07:40,720 --> 01:07:49,320
Speaker 1: p Uncle Louis, we miss you. I'm down here in hell.

1135
01:07:49,520 --> 01:07:53,320
Speaker 1: Let me tell you I'm great in my hog gripped

1136
01:07:53,360 --> 01:08:00,920
Speaker 1: off every day. It's a dream hog rip off. Oh,

1137
01:08:00,960 --> 01:08:07,200
Speaker 1: it's so good. Who there's so many different versions of heaven.

1138
01:08:07,360 --> 01:08:10,919
Speaker 1: You know, coal is getting his dick ripped off every day. Hey,

1139
01:08:10,960 --> 01:08:13,680
Speaker 1: he should call that the doctor who gave birth to

1140
01:08:13,680 --> 01:08:16,880
Speaker 1: you twice because he did a penis transplant. We should

1141
01:08:16,920 --> 01:08:19,679
Speaker 1: add that to the list. Was I born in mate

1142
01:08:19,760 --> 01:08:26,160
Speaker 1: or au guess, we don't know. I'd say like three

1143
01:08:26,240 --> 01:08:29,040
Speaker 1: and a half. Again, good points were made, but I

1144
01:08:29,080 --> 01:08:32,400
Speaker 1: still wanted to see women have I just wanted to

1145
01:08:32,400 --> 01:08:35,120
Speaker 1: see them be more ambitious or have like more clearly

1146
01:08:35,160 --> 01:08:38,080
Speaker 1: defined desires that were a bit more cauthartic, because we

1147
01:08:38,120 --> 01:08:40,799
Speaker 1: see like the men I got my got my stereo

1148
01:08:40,880 --> 01:08:44,200
Speaker 1: store now, or I'm a performing magician, and then like

1149
01:08:44,240 --> 01:08:46,400
Speaker 1: the women are just like, well, I kind of I

1150
01:08:46,479 --> 01:08:49,320
Speaker 1: don't really do anything but um, for a movie that

1151
01:08:49,400 --> 01:08:52,719
Speaker 1: could have treated the female characters in it very poorly,

1152
01:08:53,360 --> 01:08:56,840
Speaker 1: it didn't. And it even addressed like violence towards women

1153
01:08:56,840 --> 01:08:59,599
Speaker 1: in porn. So I think overall it did a pretty

1154
01:08:59,600 --> 01:09:03,960
Speaker 1: good job hub, but I still have some some complaints

1155
01:09:03,960 --> 01:09:10,120
Speaker 1: about it, some notes, some com plaints. I'm gonna give

1156
01:09:10,160 --> 01:09:12,519
Speaker 1: it three and a half as well. I think that's good, uh,

1157
01:09:12,600 --> 01:09:14,479
Speaker 1: for all the reasons you said. And also there are

1158
01:09:14,560 --> 01:09:18,040
Speaker 1: some scenes where it's like we're using naked ladies as

1159
01:09:18,400 --> 01:09:21,920
Speaker 1: set dressing. In this scene maybe a little bit. Um

1160
01:09:22,200 --> 01:09:26,479
Speaker 1: we do. They also linger on roller girl roller skating

1161
01:09:26,520 --> 01:09:32,040
Speaker 1: around like pretty much looking at yeah, yeah, yeah, we

1162
01:09:32,120 --> 01:09:35,880
Speaker 1: see that a bunch. Yeah that's true. Um so I'll

1163
01:09:35,880 --> 01:09:37,200
Speaker 1: give it three and a half as well, And I

1164
01:09:37,320 --> 01:09:45,320
Speaker 1: give two nipples too hard troubled nipples to cut daddy,

1165
01:09:45,640 --> 01:09:51,760
Speaker 1: give one leaky faucett nipple to horny mommy, and give

1166
01:09:51,840 --> 01:09:57,640
Speaker 1: a half nipple to the perfect who got beat up

1167
01:09:57,680 --> 01:10:01,360
Speaker 1: in jail. This is a five nip. This is a

1168
01:10:01,400 --> 01:10:06,280
Speaker 1: five thousand, six hundred nipples. This is a five an

1169
01:10:06,320 --> 01:10:10,679
Speaker 1: effort for me, defend yourself, defend your nip choice. I mean,

1170
01:10:11,080 --> 01:10:16,200
Speaker 1: it's my favorite movie. It takes it takes a it

1171
01:10:16,280 --> 01:10:20,439
Speaker 1: takes a subject that is I mean, this was like

1172
01:10:20,560 --> 01:10:23,280
Speaker 1: eight heggs in a duffel bag and like, you know whatever,

1173
01:10:23,360 --> 01:10:25,360
Speaker 1: like those like let's go kill a stripper, Like there

1174
01:10:25,400 --> 01:10:29,599
Speaker 1: was nothing at all about the adult industry that treated

1175
01:10:29,680 --> 01:10:32,479
Speaker 1: any of them like the human beings that they are.

1176
01:10:33,040 --> 01:10:37,320
Speaker 1: And it also was like the soundtrack was phenomenal. The

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01:10:37,360 --> 01:10:39,800
Speaker 1: movie was just like I just thought that the most

1178
01:10:39,880 --> 01:10:42,960
Speaker 1: complex characters in the movie were The most complex character

1179
01:10:43,000 --> 01:10:45,280
Speaker 1: in the movie to me was Amber. You know, everybody

1180
01:10:45,280 --> 01:10:48,559
Speaker 1: else was pretty straightforward and Julianne Moore's performance at Amber

1181
01:10:48,640 --> 01:10:51,200
Speaker 1: or as Amber like I fell in love with when

1182
01:10:51,200 --> 01:10:53,000
Speaker 1: I was fifteen years old, Like I wanted her to

1183
01:10:53,040 --> 01:10:56,839
Speaker 1: be my horny mommy. Uh and I just like couldn't

1184
01:10:56,840 --> 01:11:00,160
Speaker 1: handle it. It's like her performance. I think it's one

1185
01:11:00,160 --> 01:11:04,760
Speaker 1: of the most like emotionally complex and like she's so

1186
01:11:04,840 --> 01:11:09,799
Speaker 1: much more developed than every other man. Every man because

1187
01:11:09,920 --> 01:11:13,640
Speaker 1: they have their their wants and needs are so distinct

1188
01:11:14,040 --> 01:11:21,280
Speaker 1: and often so external. Are they delusional? Also delusional? She

1189
01:11:21,439 --> 01:11:23,599
Speaker 1: just seems I don't know, she's the anchor of that movie.

1190
01:11:23,680 --> 01:11:26,200
Speaker 1: She's the glue of the movie. She's the jizz that

1191
01:11:26,320 --> 01:11:29,360
Speaker 1: glues the pages shut in the script of that movie.

1192
01:11:29,840 --> 01:11:33,000
Speaker 1: I love her, and I also like watching brother Girls

1193
01:11:33,040 --> 01:11:36,879
Speaker 1: stomp the ship out of that fucking asshole that ruled

1194
01:11:37,479 --> 01:11:40,120
Speaker 1: I don't know, I mean, I totally understand your three

1195
01:11:40,120 --> 01:11:43,439
Speaker 1: and a half nips and uh as a as a boy,

1196
01:11:43,840 --> 01:11:48,800
Speaker 1: as a boy toy, as as OOPSI otter. I am

1197
01:11:48,840 --> 01:11:54,160
Speaker 1: allowing myself the privilege to not get triggered, prav I'm

1198
01:11:54,200 --> 01:11:57,479
Speaker 1: using my priv and everybody's just themselves and like going

1199
01:11:57,520 --> 01:12:00,120
Speaker 1: through everybody, male and female are just constantly playing at

1200
01:12:00,160 --> 01:12:02,600
Speaker 1: their looks like that's a super underrated part of the

1201
01:12:02,600 --> 01:12:05,880
Speaker 1: movie is that constantly everybody's playing with their luck and

1202
01:12:06,200 --> 01:12:11,680
Speaker 1: cheetles like Rick James I it finally takes off that

1203
01:12:11,840 --> 01:12:14,880
Speaker 1: stupid wig and just gets honest. Yeah, and then they

1204
01:12:15,600 --> 01:12:19,599
Speaker 1: about Sunrise. They better than Sunset. Yeah, it's like the

1205
01:12:19,680 --> 01:12:22,160
Speaker 1: cutest thing. And then they have a baby and they

1206
01:12:22,160 --> 01:12:25,439
Speaker 1: are actually in love. Yeah. Yeah, I loved it. I

1207
01:12:25,479 --> 01:12:28,040
Speaker 1: thought it was super uplifting. And again the score is amazing.

1208
01:12:28,120 --> 01:12:30,280
Speaker 1: Dummies fall in love and that's what that was like

1209
01:12:30,320 --> 01:12:33,280
Speaker 1: the best scene of like you like the sunset, like

1210
01:12:33,360 --> 01:12:36,400
Speaker 1: the sunset, but my god, but Sunrise it's better. It's

1211
01:12:36,439 --> 01:12:40,519
Speaker 1: just good. Oh yeah, I feel the same one. I thought, yeah,

1212
01:12:40,720 --> 01:12:43,799
Speaker 1: this nice. So I was like. My other favorite moment

1213
01:12:43,920 --> 01:12:46,360
Speaker 1: from the movie is when I think it's William H.

1214
01:12:46,439 --> 01:12:48,519
Speaker 1: Mazie is talking to I want to say, like the

1215
01:12:48,600 --> 01:12:52,800
Speaker 1: d P and they're talking about the movie that they're

1216
01:12:52,840 --> 01:12:54,559
Speaker 1: supposed to shoot in a couple of days, and they're like, well,

1217
01:12:54,560 --> 01:12:56,200
Speaker 1: is there even a script? And they're like, I don't know,

1218
01:12:56,320 --> 01:12:59,760
Speaker 1: Like they clearly just make up the scenes as they go.

1219
01:13:00,240 --> 01:13:03,040
Speaker 1: Story doesn't matter, and they're just fine with it. Well,

1220
01:13:03,040 --> 01:13:05,599
Speaker 1: there's a line that I also whenever I make a thing,

1221
01:13:05,800 --> 01:13:07,960
Speaker 1: like my friends and I make a thing, uh, we

1222
01:13:08,040 --> 01:13:10,879
Speaker 1: always say like when we're lighting and their shadows shadows

1223
01:13:10,920 --> 01:13:14,400
Speaker 1: in life, Dude, like this that's just like, yeah, why

1224
01:13:14,400 --> 01:13:17,280
Speaker 1: are we gonna light this? It's there's shadows in life,

1225
01:13:17,439 --> 01:13:20,800
Speaker 1: Like that's their whole. That's like a production mentality. It's

1226
01:13:20,960 --> 01:13:24,040
Speaker 1: their shadows of life. Yeah, that's the name of my

1227
01:13:24,120 --> 01:13:30,280
Speaker 1: new email band. All right. I like sweet teen Beef

1228
01:13:30,439 --> 01:13:34,840
Speaker 1: is my like fucking room room or cycle music. I

1229
01:13:35,000 --> 01:13:43,240
Speaker 1: was getting robed. Everybody's just getting rubbed. Genderless rubub, non

1230
01:13:43,360 --> 01:13:47,560
Speaker 1: battery robe, sweet teen beef. Yeah, you just had that

1231
01:13:47,760 --> 01:13:52,800
Speaker 1: tag it. Uh. So my nips belong to Cosmo. Two

1232
01:13:52,840 --> 01:13:55,080
Speaker 1: of them belong to Cosmo the Chinese because there those

1233
01:13:55,080 --> 01:13:58,799
Speaker 1: of firecracker nips. He's also wearing a Rick Springfield shirt

1234
01:13:59,360 --> 01:14:04,320
Speaker 1: while Jesse Girl plays They Love Jesse's Girl. Um, two

1235
01:14:04,320 --> 01:14:07,200
Speaker 1: of my nips have to go to Julian Moore's perfect

1236
01:14:07,200 --> 01:14:09,960
Speaker 1: pink naps. Is that you've mentioned perfect? So I got

1237
01:14:09,960 --> 01:14:12,360
Speaker 1: one and a half more nips. One of those nips

1238
01:14:13,160 --> 01:14:16,240
Speaker 1: is the one that's poking out of Scottie's tank top,

1239
01:14:17,400 --> 01:14:20,519
Speaker 1: uh when his arms are crossed, and the half nip.

1240
01:14:21,040 --> 01:14:23,320
Speaker 1: That's my man, Louise. Are you giving the movie five

1241
01:14:23,360 --> 01:14:26,240
Speaker 1: and a half five and a half nicks because Luis

1242
01:14:26,280 --> 01:14:32,360
Speaker 1: Gooseman puts it over the top. You can't deny those nips.

1243
01:14:32,520 --> 01:14:35,599
Speaker 1: So you can't deny those Gooseman nips. Great. I feel

1244
01:14:35,640 --> 01:14:38,320
Speaker 1: good about all of our choices here today. We didn't.

1245
01:14:38,360 --> 01:14:40,360
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. Thanks for being here, Thank you

1246
01:14:40,400 --> 01:14:42,840
Speaker 1: so much. Hey, where can people find you online? You

1247
01:14:42,880 --> 01:14:48,760
Speaker 1: can find me at Twitter dot com, backslash, help me

1248
01:14:49,560 --> 01:14:52,800
Speaker 1: at shut up androwsky. Yeah, you're gonna read it. You're

1249
01:14:52,880 --> 01:14:55,760
Speaker 1: looking at it. Fans want to know where'd you get

1250
01:14:55,760 --> 01:15:03,120
Speaker 1: that horrible vapeur colisl Let's burn it down. Run a

1251
01:15:03,240 --> 01:15:08,120
Speaker 1: show here at nerd Mold every month called Reunited that's

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Speaker 1: fun and good and the next one is April Night. Question,

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Speaker 1: why should I know? I'm just the programmed and I'm

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Speaker 1: just the person the work into it. Yet I think

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Speaker 1: it's in two weeks. It's a whole wild card. I

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Speaker 1: don't care. Yeah. Come, we's me and Brian Cook and

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Speaker 1: we make fun of stuff from TV and we've had

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Speaker 1: Greg proops and also, um ah, so many people that

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Speaker 1: are good. Karen killed Gareth played a ghost once so

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Speaker 1: it's great. Hey Jamie, do you want to plug anything

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Speaker 1: your new bands No Shadows in the Desert Shadows and

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Speaker 1: like I exhaust myself, you don't need to pay to me.

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Speaker 1: This week you can check out my new hit single,

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Speaker 1: getting Whippy with It and give me laugh ape out,

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Speaker 1: maype out. I'm gonna bury you alive, tell you dude,

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Speaker 1: I'm down. Let's go to the beach alright. You can

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Speaker 1: also follow the podcast on Twitter at bectel cast, and

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Speaker 1: you can write and review us. We got more reviews.

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Speaker 1: We got more reviews are positive. Thanks guys for reviewing us.

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Speaker 1: We really appreciate no haters and everyone and just you know,

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Speaker 1: support movies that feature women and that treat women well

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Speaker 1: and treat the women in your life. Well, yeah, Horney,

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Speaker 1: mommy says, give me a little kiss. Okay, bye, mommy

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Speaker 1: a kist all right, bye,