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Speaker 1: Warning, today's episode contains spoilers for episode four of IT.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Derry on HBO B one. Hello, my name

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Speaker 1: is Jason Concepcion and I'm Rosey Night and welcome back

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Speaker 1: to x Ray Vision of podcast, where we dive the

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Speaker 1: your favorite shows, movies, comics, and.

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Speaker 2: Pop culture comedy from my heart.

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Speaker 3: We'll bring you three episodes plus.

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Speaker 4: In today's episode, it's Andy and Barbara Musghetti again and

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Speaker 4: they are returning to Derry with their new group of kids.

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Speaker 4: They're traumatizing years prior to the events of the movie.

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Speaker 2: But guys, guys, we're getting closer. We're getting closer to

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Speaker 2: understanding the mystery.

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Speaker 4: And as usual, Jason and I will be recapping the

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Speaker 4: episode together and then we will be bringing in the

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Speaker 4: Scream Queen's super producers Common.

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Speaker 2: And Joel to join us and discuss.

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Speaker 1: Okay it Episode four, Welcome to Derry, the Great Swirling

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Speaker 1: Apparatus of Our Planet's Function. Episode written by Helen Shang.

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Speaker 1: We open fresh after the Graveyard mission. The kids ride

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Speaker 1: over to the police station with the photos and they're

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Speaker 1: telling the police chief like everything happened, and they're like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it was we did the Santa Ria thing, and we

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Speaker 1: went there and it was really crazy and check out

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Speaker 1: these photos. You're gonna be blown away. And the chief

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Speaker 1: is like, holy shit, and then we see what he

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Speaker 1: sees and it's just kind of like the ghosts aren't there.

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Speaker 1: They disappeared, I guess from the negatives. So even though

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Speaker 1: they were there, when they were they just delusion?

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Speaker 2: Were they just illusions?

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Speaker 1: Did they disappear from the photo because of some magic unclear?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 1: But then they're like, well what about this one? And

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Speaker 1: they did manage to keep the image of Pennywise in

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Speaker 1: that very dark and blurry photo from inside the crypt

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Speaker 1: that Will took.

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Speaker 3: But she was like, I don't even that doesn't even

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Speaker 1: You guys, You guys are nuts. And by the way,

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Speaker 1: keep doing this shit, Lily.

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Speaker 3: You're going back to.

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Speaker 2: Hill kids in a house. What about the rest of them?

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Speaker 1: Just like anyway, but Lily, Lily's got that rep so

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Speaker 1: she might end up back into the Juniper Hill nuthouse.

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Speaker 1: And that's pretty scary. The kids talk it over at

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Speaker 1: school in the gym and they're like, maybe it's like

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Speaker 1: a Dracula thing, you know, like where the image doesn't

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Speaker 1: show up, you know, that kind of type of thing.

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Speaker 1: Ronnie's like, why don't you ask your mom, who's lived

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Speaker 1: in town her whole life, if she recalls, like any

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Speaker 1: weird stuff from when she was a kid, Like were

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Speaker 1: there visions or demons or disappearances, anything weird like that

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Speaker 1: clown specters, you know that kind of thing. Lily's like,

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Speaker 1: you know, my mom is not the best person, asks

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Speaker 1: but I know somebody. So she goes and asks Madeline Stowe,

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Speaker 1: who they never to my recollection, they have not yet

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Speaker 1: mentioned her name in this show, but this show, right,

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Speaker 1: but she's listed as Ingrid on IMDb, and there is

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Speaker 1: fervent speculation in the It Stephen King It movie communities

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Speaker 1: that she is the old woman from IT one who yeah,

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Speaker 1: Ingrid KSh.

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Speaker 4: Yes, the door who is believed to be the door

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Speaker 4: of Bob Gray's Penny Wise, that's right, and who runs

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Speaker 4: naked through the house in it too.

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Speaker 1: She runs naked through the house and Ingrid, if that's

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Speaker 1: her name, does dimly recall something like back in the

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Speaker 1: thirties and the depression era, kids were going missing, but

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Speaker 1: it was not there was no spectral clowns earning like

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Speaker 1: always wanted, and they're really bonding, and she grabs Ingrid

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Speaker 1: grabs Lily's hand and says, but it sounds like you've

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Speaker 1: got great friends, and with your friends, you know behind you,

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Speaker 1: you guys are gonna beat anything that comes out. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure you guys are going to succeed.

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Speaker 4: Is this because ever since Ingrid was a little kid

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Speaker 4: and she was the door of Bob Gray and then

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Speaker 4: Pennywise took over Bob Gray's pace, she's.

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Speaker 2: Been putting together these teams of kids and doesn't remember.

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Speaker 2: And she doesn't remember try.

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Speaker 4: I don't know, because she's like, she's like, you know,

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Speaker 1: I thought that too, but she seemed very sincere about

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that the cycle makes people act in weird ways,

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Speaker 1: Be that the that the dairy dementia is just hitting

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Speaker 2: You know, she's put these teams.

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Speaker 4: Together that would make a lot of sense compared to

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Speaker 1: And some kind of like essential goodness combined with her

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Speaker 1: past experiences that she doesn't remember, keeps her in this

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Speaker 4: I would like that perhaps Charlotte is at home reading

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Speaker 4: the news about Hatchet Hank's arrest, and she's obviously extremely

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Speaker 4: There's a knock at the door and it's Rose dropping

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Speaker 4: Charlotte invites Rose into coffee, and this scene basically marks like,

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Speaker 4: obviously a new team up that we're gonna get and

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Speaker 2: Rose explains that her.

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Speaker 4: People used to roam around the lands around Demi Derry

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Speaker 4: up to Nova Scotia. Rose obviously is digging politely for

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Speaker 4: information about the pipeline. Charlotte says, hey, the major doesn't

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Speaker 4: Charlotte wants to know something herself. She wants to know

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Speaker 4: about the theater event, the missing kids. Do I need

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Speaker 4: to be concerned about will? She asked, like, is this

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Speaker 4: something really worrying? And Rose is like, yeah, freaky shit

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Speaker 2: Here's my number.

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Speaker 5: She's like very great.

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Speaker 2: She's like, yeah, you're right, it's terrible. It's bad. Kids

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Speaker 2: and I want to see the two of these guys

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Speaker 2: team up. And how what a concerning answer.

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Speaker 1: I was watching this episode. Christina is peaking over my shoulder.

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Speaker 1: She's like, that's exactly like what your grandma said when

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Speaker 5: I'm like, that was like the same. She was like,

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Speaker 2: She's like, yeah, that's happens. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Dick and the airmen get to check out their new

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Speaker 2: Is the dance floor here?

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Speaker 1: All great ideas, but Dick, there's a there's a moment

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Speaker 1: At school, Lily is watching, you know, one of the

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Speaker 1: when a nuke goes off.

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Speaker 2: But she's lost trick kids into being relaxed while they die.

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Speaker 1: Right, I'm behaving, but she's she's kind of lost in

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Speaker 1: Will arrives at home and he goes immediately to his

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Speaker 1: Charlotte's like, don't do that anymore. And we're not going

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Speaker 2: So I'm listening, and.

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Speaker 5: We're not going to tell your dad, but just and

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Speaker 4: The next awkward dinner scene is directly connected to those actions.

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Speaker 2: Dinner at the handleans dad asked about school. Will tries

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Speaker 4: Charlotte wants the major to go spend some time with Will,

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Speaker 4: so he takes Will fly fishing.

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Speaker 2: Will is antsy. He's stressed.

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Speaker 4: He's trying to keep the fact that he's grounded and

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Speaker 2: And this is something I love about this season. They've

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Speaker 4: With what may always made it so scary, which is

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Speaker 6: Huge fish, swims up to him and looks up at him,

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Speaker 6: and as Will connects eyes and he's like, what the

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Speaker 4: Vohe's style and pulls him into water, splashing down. The

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Speaker 4: Major runs back and Will is like, bro, that was

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Speaker 4: for Will, you know, Finally the Major sees bruises on

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Speaker 4: his wrist, yes, and knows that something crazy has actually happened.

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Speaker 4: It's getting into Freddy Krueger territory. Now the things from

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Speaker 4: the dreams can hurt you. That makes it much more

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Speaker 4: easy for Major Handan to believe it. And if you

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Speaker 4: need a double confirmation, sir. They look back and they

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Speaker 4: see a red balloon floating in the water in the river,

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Speaker 4: and obviously Major Handlan sees it too.

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Speaker 1: Charlotte goes to the police station and she's like, listen,

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Speaker 1: the the kids are telling the truth. Something crazy happened,

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Speaker 1: and certainly hatchet Hank was not involved in this disappearance.

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Speaker 1: And Chief Bowers is not doesn't care, he's not listening

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Speaker 1: to a lawyer? And the Chief says, yeah, man, this

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Speaker 1: Molly Percoset, Lily Ronnie Percoset, Molly Percoset, Will Richie Percoset.

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Speaker 2: Do my thing.

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Speaker 1: You're gonna have to go to trial, but you can

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Speaker 1: You don't have to sit in jail while you wait

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Speaker 3: Here's why I was.

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Speaker 1: I was fucking a woman, a white woman, and we

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Speaker 4: The colonel tells the general that the areas that Rose

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Speaker 2: He grabs a file.

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Speaker 4: Inside there are security pictures of local Indian kids peeking

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Speaker 4: That you've forgotten a lot of stuff, Like how about

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Speaker 4: Marge, Marge, Marge, Marge, March, Marge, Marge, Marge, Marge, March.

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Speaker 2: Marge is not a good person. I'm sorry.

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Speaker 4: Patty and the mean girls watch from afar and then

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Speaker 4: Tim the sexy high school quarterback jock sports king.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, he's just one of those guys that

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Speaker 4: And he comes over to say hi, and Marge of

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Speaker 4: She follows Lily to the bathroom, where her alleged best

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Speaker 4: But then she's like, oh, oh, my eye, Why is

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Speaker 2: I don't know, it was scary to me.

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Speaker 2: I mean, business much of a good friend. It's like,

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Speaker 1: Up and I and I love that you're the type

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Speaker 2: That's all exactly.

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Speaker 1: We'll continue covering episode four of it. Welcome to Eric,

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Speaker 1: and we're back the Major. Leroy confronts his wife Charli

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Speaker 1: Here we go again with this whole rock in the

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Speaker 2: She's literally doing like the only good vibe, Like this

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Speaker 1: He's an innocent man, like, you know what this is.

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Speaker 1: And LeRoy's like, listen, okay, there's some actual, like top

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Speaker 2: But I can't tell.

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Speaker 4: You, Hella, because like she knows and she believes Will

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Speaker 4: class like they both not communication.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very spy X family.

440
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Speaker 1: It's very good. And he's like, okay, so you know,

441
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Speaker 1: it's real serious, top secret shit, okay, and what you're

442
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Speaker 1: doing could mess it up in a way that's bad.

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Speaker 3: He doesn't explain anything.

444
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Speaker 1: Charlotte agrees in a way where you believe that she's

445
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Speaker 1: gonna keep doing what she's doing anyway, Like.

446
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Speaker 2: She's just like, yeah, okay, you got it. Yeah.

447
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Speaker 1: Will is in bed. He has a brief nightmare of

448
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Speaker 1: the fishing trip and he can't sleep, so he gets up.

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Speaker 1: He decides to look through the telescope, and when he's

450
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Speaker 1: looking through the telescope, he looks down at the street,

451
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Speaker 1: just kind of watching a guy walk his dog. And

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Speaker 1: he sees a catches a glimpse of a scary clown

453
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Speaker 1: watching him, very scary image.

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Speaker 3: He's screaming.

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Speaker 1: Dad comes in. He tells Dad there's a scary fucking

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Speaker 1: clown out.

457
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Speaker 3: There in the street.

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Speaker 2: Dad runs out with a golf club, like.

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Speaker 1: Hey, he actually thinks that it's a spying It's like

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Speaker 1: a counterintelligence situation at something to do with the base.

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Speaker 4: Leeboy's always so worried about Charlotte, like messing, like making a.

462
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Speaker 2: Scene or messing things up.

463
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Speaker 4: But Tree has no fear and he's just running out

464
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Speaker 4: into the street with this golf club. I'm like, please

465
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Speaker 4: have some fear for yourself, Like, have some worry for yourself, please.

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Speaker 3: Yes. So he's screaming in the street with the golf club.

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Speaker 1: But then he looks up in a tree he's a

468
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Speaker 1: red balloon and he's like, oh shit, it's happening. He

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Speaker 1: goes to see the General. He's like, what the fuck

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Speaker 1: are we doing? Like what's what the fuck is why?

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Speaker 7: What's not?

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Speaker 1: In General is like you know what, it's time you

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Speaker 1: see what we do here. So he takes Leroy to

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Speaker 1: come see the interrogation of Taniel, the Native American kid

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Speaker 1: who they caught peeking through the fence, and he's like, listen,

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Speaker 1: Taniel knows the location is this thing we're looking for. Okay,

477
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Speaker 1: and the Russians and the Cubans, all that shit is happening,

478
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Speaker 1: Like we're on the clock here. We need the weapon.

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Speaker 1: You gotta go into his mind and find out where

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Speaker 1: the fuck it is. Uh, okay, you know, excuse me.

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Speaker 1: He's saying, we're going to go into his mind. Dick

482
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Speaker 1: is going to go into his mind, Leroy, and he's

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Speaker 1: going to find out, like where the thing is. That's

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Speaker 1: what we're doing. So Dick puts the shining on Taniel,

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Speaker 1: and she finds himself in the space of like many

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Speaker 1: many doors. He opens the door, he goes into it

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Speaker 1: and he sees a memory.

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Speaker 2: It Rose.

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Speaker 1: Telling Taniel an actual thing that happened like when Taniel

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Speaker 1: was young, that hey, the legend of penny Wise.

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Speaker 3: That they don't call it Pennywise, but.

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Speaker 1: He's like, the legend, that legend of the evil spirit

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Speaker 1: is real. Tell me about the story so I know

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Speaker 1: that you remember it. And then Daniel recounts the story

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Speaker 1: so we can all learn it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so penny Wise, it the alien crashed on Earth,

497
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Speaker 4: and he's basically been trapped there for a million years, correct, Jason,

498
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Speaker 4: We were right, millions only been three hundred and twenty

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Speaker 4: six years. But it was their ancestor who carved a

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Speaker 4: weapon from Pennywise's comet to use against it, and that

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Speaker 4: was how they beat him and ended up trapping him.

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Speaker 2: Then the Whites came.

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Speaker 4: They did not heed the warnings of the glue, and

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Speaker 4: many were killed.

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Speaker 2: The clan mothers got together.

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Speaker 4: And sent an expedition to get more comet stone to

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Speaker 4: use as weapons against Pennyways smart plan, but the young

508
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Speaker 4: party went missing. When rescuers were sent, they were taken

509
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Speaker 4: two attacked by visions of what they most feared.

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Speaker 2: The tribe's greatest warriors killed.

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Speaker 4: Eventually the warrior's daughter went to the cave where the

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Speaker 4: comet lay. They did end up making more weapons, and these,

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Speaker 4: I feel like are going to become a really big

514
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Speaker 4: part of this. So the season we can expect, I think,

515
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Speaker 4: for the kids to maybe get their hands on some

516
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Speaker 4: of these and came up with a plan to trap it.

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Speaker 2: Now this is why the government is here.

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Speaker 4: Guys.

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Speaker 2: We were right.

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Speaker 4: This was it now, I have to say, though I

521
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Speaker 4: did not realize it was gonna be so.

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Speaker 2: Literal and I'm very interested. So how did they do it?

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Speaker 2: How did they trap the mystery monster? They trapped him

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Speaker 2: in pillars of its own comet. This is very kryptonite.

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Speaker 4: I'm vibing on it. You know, it's greatest weakness is

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Speaker 4: its own this thing from its own planet, you know,

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Speaker 4: which I'm assuming there will argue is because he was

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Speaker 4: in a meteorites. Maybe he was trapped in there to

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Speaker 4: get him away from the planet. But anyway, Rose is like, yep,

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Speaker 4: you're right, Daniel, and then Dick appears and he says,

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Speaker 4: where are the pillars? Daniel opens the door to show

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Speaker 4: Dick where they are and close up.

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Speaker 2: Of dont don't house from the movie and that is

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Speaker 2: the end of it. Welcome to Davery Episode four.

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Speaker 1: Let's take a quick break and we'll be back with

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Speaker 1: the screen queens to discuss episode four.

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Speaker 3: Hey, welcome here.

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Speaker 2: Anywhere back?

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Speaker 1: Want to show Joel and Carmen welcome.

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Speaker 8: I think that dairy dementia off that off the perks.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, before we dive into the discussion, your your you know,

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Speaker 1: headline thoughts on this episode, Carmen.

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Speaker 8: Really fun episode. The scares in this episode are like evolving,

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Speaker 8: I think into something even like bigger. I think that

545
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Speaker 8: might take away from this episode, like, Wow, it really

546
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Speaker 8: is like getting kind of junge Eto style scares in

547
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Speaker 8: this episode, which I really enjoyed. I'm also continuing to

548
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Speaker 8: love how we are getting more of Dick Halloran's backstory.

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Speaker 8: And also I'm loving how we're getting more of the

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Speaker 8: shining and how we're seeing the shining and action a

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Speaker 8: lot more sh Yeah, that is the connective tissue between

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Speaker 8: all of the Stephen King you know, I p you know,

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Speaker 8: so it's cool to see more of that. It reminds

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Speaker 8: me too of you know, another movie that.

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Speaker 2: Is good.

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Speaker 8: Time to go back and watch Doctor Sleep.

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Speaker 7: You know, so m great film.

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Speaker 8: Yeah it, loving it, Loving it, Joelle, I'm.

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Speaker 9: About to get in my black person bag about this episode.

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Speaker 9: I have many thoughts. I am thrilled at what Court

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Speaker 9: Jefferson is doing and Jovanna Duffo and Taylor Page the

562
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Speaker 9: hottest couple of the year by the way, Yeah sorry.

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Speaker 7: Sinners, but we've we found him.

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Speaker 9: Uh just iconic performances out of them, and I really

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Speaker 9: love it.

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Speaker 7: Yes to the jungi Eto scared really freaking gross.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, and then I'm curious about how we're stretching the

568
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Speaker 9: lore and if we're doing it in the best ways,

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Speaker 9: where is it working?

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Speaker 7: Where is it not working. I'm excited to discuss with

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Speaker 7: you guys.

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Speaker 3: Okay, well let's discuss it.

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Speaker 1: Let's just get into it then, because I have I

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Speaker 1: also have some thoughts regarding the extended a flashback of

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Speaker 1: you know, Rosentaniel's ancestors conversation. Yeah, last yes, whether it

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Speaker 1: wasn't working for you, Jason, it's not that it wasn't

577
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Speaker 1: It's not that it wasn't working. I have no particular

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Speaker 1: qualms about the way all of our characters are depicted

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Speaker 1: in this show, and I just wanted to kind of

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Speaker 1: point out, and it's a it's a hard point to

581
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Speaker 1: get it. It's a weird point to get into. But

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Speaker 1: I guess while I agree that like our characters are

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Speaker 1: depicted in positive ways, in ways that like, you know,

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Speaker 1: show them in a fleshed out way, not the negative

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Speaker 1: kind of stereotypical tropes about you know, indigenous people, Native Americans,

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Speaker 1: it is also like heavily relying on tropes, but it's

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Speaker 1: the ones we like, right, Like it's and I just

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Speaker 1: am left one more because to me, It's like when

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Speaker 1: you don't when you show a particular community in ways

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Speaker 1: that they are always shown running around in the hood

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Speaker 1: in the woods, hunting evil spirits that they understand and

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Speaker 1: we don't because of their connection to nature, et cetera,

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Speaker 1: et cetera, et cetera, you're kind of like robbing us

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Speaker 1: of an opportunity to like just connect with that culture

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Speaker 1: on a human level. That's why I'm like, you know,

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Speaker 1: what are they Like, what do they talk about when

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Speaker 1: they're like sitting and eating dinner.

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Speaker 4: I was gonna say, I want to see more of

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Speaker 4: Tanio and his friends, Like what do they do when

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Speaker 4: then not hunting?

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Speaker 2: It like do they time together?

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Speaker 1: And so you know, So it's not a negative. It's again,

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Speaker 1: it's not. I'm it's just I would love I would

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Speaker 1: love to be for it to be expanded and for

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Speaker 1: there to be more because I do feel while you know,

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Speaker 1: we rightfully so have criticized Stephen for some of his

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Speaker 1: depictions of Native Americans that lean heavily on hey I

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Speaker 1: saw this in a movie.

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Speaker 2: Yeah exactly, you know what.

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Speaker 4: I read this that this happens, this, this.

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Speaker 1: Show, which is depicting its characters in a positive light,

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Speaker 1: is also doing that. It's just that we like it,

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Speaker 1: that's all I'm saying.

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Speaker 9: We have got to find I'm searching for indigenous journalists

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Speaker 9: who can sort of speak to the like a critical

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Speaker 9: way about the show. I do wonder I agree with

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Speaker 9: you that there's not enough balance. That's just a hard stop,

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Speaker 9: like there's not enough there's a variety that we, you know,

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Speaker 9: that we're getting out of, like let's say our black family,

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Speaker 9: Like we're seeing all kinds of areas of the black

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Speaker 9: communities and all that.

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Speaker 7: But I also wonder.

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Speaker 9: If in the same way when people are like, uh,

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Speaker 9: we can always se black people says, should't always set

625
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Speaker 9: them as slaves, but like we were enslaved at one

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Speaker 9: point as the important part of our culture in our

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Speaker 9: history in America, and seeing those stories, I don't feel

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Speaker 9: personally diminishes us. And so I just wonder if if

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Speaker 9: there is an element of story that, like it is

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Speaker 9: at all resonant to the end of just community possibly

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Speaker 9: not open to it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm yeah, I think that's that would be

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Speaker 1: a really cool conversation to have. I think just from

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Speaker 1: my perspective, it's like you see another tribal gathering where

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Speaker 1: the you know, the the elders are discussing what to do,

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Speaker 1: and it's like, I feel like I've seen the scene

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Speaker 1: a million times, and whenever I want to see like

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Speaker 1: white people making a decision, it doesn't happen.

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Speaker 3: Like at the halls of Congress.

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Speaker 1: Oh, like all the congressmen get together to discuss, like

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Speaker 1: what decision some white people are gonna do? It's right,

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Speaker 1: you know, like it's never on a human to human level.

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Speaker 1: Two characters who are from a place just discussing like

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Speaker 1: what's going on in a not.

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Speaker 8: A dinner table.

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Speaker 4: I would even say, but I would even say, like

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Speaker 4: I think something for example that would that would help

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Speaker 4: even if they want to do it in the space

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Speaker 4: of having the res there and being able to show

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Speaker 4: all different kinds of people and have it at the

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Speaker 4: meeting you it would be good if like the first

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Speaker 4: part was just about you know, like the electricity bills

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Speaker 4: going up because of a day SNR or something that

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Speaker 4: wasn't directly connected to it.

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Speaker 2: I think that would also help.

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Speaker 4: But at the moment, everything we're getting from them is

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Speaker 4: just about their connection.

658
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 1: To and get I get that this is a nitpicky,

659
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:20,440
Speaker 1: a little bit of a nitpicky it's just like I

660
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:28,440
Speaker 1: don't feel like I've seen versions of that entire flashback

661
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:31,760
Speaker 1: a million times, like the good and the bad version,

662
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:35,239
Speaker 1: and I'm just left. This is kind of like why

663
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:39,399
Speaker 1: I love res Dogs so much, because it's like it

664
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:44,760
Speaker 1: was not that it was life, just like the lives

665
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 1: of people who live in a place and you get

666
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 1: to know them on a human level, and you get

667
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:52,160
Speaker 1: to see the ways that like, oh we talk about

668
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 1: I talk about that kind of thing too, or that's

669
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:57,799
Speaker 1: how like we have the same kind of conversations but

670
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:00,880
Speaker 1: on different topics. It was like that it robs us

671
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:03,440
Speaker 1: of our ability to like latch on to this culture

672
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 1: and kind of like understand it. Instead, it's so mythologized

673
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 1: and like heightened in this legendary mythic way that it

674
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 1: feels like.

675
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 2: I think it's hard to connect to it.

676
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:15,799
Speaker 4: You know, res Dogs did a good job as well

677
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:20,720
Speaker 4: of bringing in the stuff that was very much about

678
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 4: like how they interacted with their own ideas of folklore

679
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:25,719
Speaker 4: and mythology.

680
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:28,040
Speaker 2: And you did get those elements, but it was about

681
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 2: that center, but in.

682
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 1: A way that it intersected with their normal life and

683
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:37,720
Speaker 1: conversation and and and I'm just feeling like I want

684
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 1: that from.

685
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:40,760
Speaker 2: Some of this thing. I just I totally agree.

686
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:43,920
Speaker 4: I will also just say there was some there was

687
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:47,799
Speaker 4: some quite deep criics, especially of the first season of

688
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:49,759
Speaker 4: res Dogs, for not doing a great job with like

689
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:52,319
Speaker 4: blackness and anti blackness in the show. So I would

690
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 4: say that oftentimes I think, like with within a studio system,

691
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 4: if there's a focus on one set of characters, this

692
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:00,120
Speaker 4: kind of just happened. Well.

693
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:01,879
Speaker 2: At the same time, that doesn't mean we shouldn't aim

694
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:05,840
Speaker 2: for more. And I love what they're doing and.

695
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 4: Taniel, but I agree for this show to go truly

696
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:14,480
Speaker 4: like elevate this Stephen King use of Indian burial grounds

697
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 4: Native American burial grounds for a trope, then they need

698
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:23,279
Speaker 4: to start doing something that imagines what life is like

699
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 4: for them outside of the trope.

700
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 2: So fingers crossed, I would love like a.

701
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:30,760
Speaker 4: Rose Bottle episode that's more just about her throughout her life.

702
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 4: But yeah, how are you guys feeling about that aspect?

703
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 4: And also about how this episode we're starting to really

704
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 4: see these storylines come together with Leroy seeing what's going on,

705
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:46,800
Speaker 4: knowing what's going on with Taniel and Dick and everything,

706
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 4: Like Joelle, how are you feeling all the threads are

707
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:51,960
Speaker 4: coming together at this point?

708
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 7: Beautifully?

709
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 9: We were talking before we got on mic about how

710
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 9: much less as though we were right episode.

711
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 7: Right, we called out.

712
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 9: That Marge's eyes were doing funky things in episode two,

713
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 9: we saw that it glowed in her eyes, and then

714
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 9: here we are cutting out it from her eyes.

715
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:17,359
Speaker 7: You know, we had mentioned briefly the element of fear.

716
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 9: In our major and I really think.

717
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 7: That that's come full circle.

718
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 9: And I think what's most interesting about this episode for

719
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 9: me is the dynamic between Leroy and Charlotte. I am

720
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 9: compelled endlessly by this dichotomy. And it's something we've seen done.

721
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 9: I mean, you can all it back to a raisin

722
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:42,359
Speaker 9: in the sun, like black family, different sides of how

723
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:44,880
Speaker 9: to attack the problem of injustice.

724
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 3: Da da da da.

725
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 9: But I think what Cord has done so well here

726
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 9: and what maybe is not often done, is like he

727
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:57,880
Speaker 9: similar to what he did in episode six of Watchmen. Yeah,

728
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:02,239
Speaker 9: he puts black people in positions of assumed power, showcases

729
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 9: how that's not really any kind of power, and then

730
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:10,920
Speaker 9: sort of attacks it from a community perspective. And you know,

731
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:12,719
Speaker 9: I was thinking too, I was like, oh, I wonder

732
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 9: when Maryland integrated their schools. Maryland starts the integration process

733
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 9: in nineteen fifty four, but it's not until nineteen seventy

734
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:24,279
Speaker 9: three that all counties are integrated. So if you could

735
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 9: this idea what's happening in Maryland at this time, Matt

736
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:31,360
Speaker 9: and so so, then in addition to the dynamics between

737
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:35,440
Speaker 9: the parents, you have Will, who his whole life has

738
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:43,799
Speaker 9: lived essentially under a national goal to integrate schools. He

739
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 9: was in the South, so probably not getting much there.

740
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 9: We know they can come later becomes of Maryland. Is

741
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 9: this his first time in an integrated school?

742
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 7: I'm not sure. It doesn't quite feel like it.

743
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 9: It does feel like this school has only been integrated

744
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:56,880
Speaker 9: for a short period of time. And I think this

745
00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 9: sort of highlights what Jason was saying earlier about like

746
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 9: what's life like Fordigitou communities in this area at this time?

747
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:04,960
Speaker 9: I feel like I know so much about what black

748
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:08,319
Speaker 9: life is like in this area at this time, just

749
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:10,399
Speaker 9: through the show's lens, because it leads you to ask

750
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:14,399
Speaker 9: all of these questions. And I love the idea of fear.

751
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 9: So getting back to fear, Okay LeRoy's fear, I think

752
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:21,279
Speaker 9: two things one, it's possible to the army just straight up

753
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:23,239
Speaker 9: lied and they were like, Bye, people don't experience fear

754
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:23,799
Speaker 9: at the same tight.

755
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:28,839
Speaker 4: I totally thought that could be because they the way

756
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:31,400
Speaker 4: that they describe it is that like he's just able

757
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:34,279
Speaker 4: to be analytical when he hasn't gone to his head,

758
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:34,759
Speaker 4: And it's like.

759
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 2: That just sounds like maybe like he's on the.

760
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:42,839
Speaker 9: Jick says, you don't experience fear in the same way

761
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:43,279
Speaker 9: that I.

762
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 7: Say experience fear.

763
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 9: So I think that this is a really interesting commentary

764
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:55,279
Speaker 9: on black masculinity and this idea of like and and

765
00:39:55,560 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 9: so not black masculinity and the idea of respectability politics, and.

766
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:01,799
Speaker 5: Really like teasing that out right.

767
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 9: So Lee Ray is the guy who's like, if I

768
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:05,839
Speaker 9: follow the rules, if my wife follows the rules, if

769
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:09,399
Speaker 9: my son is good in school and like sports, then

770
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:12,760
Speaker 9: we can all come together and be the quintessential American family.

771
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:15,759
Speaker 9: Be safe, be happy. My wife is messing this up.

772
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 9: She's like, I'm trying to fulfill your dream by doing

773
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:19,760
Speaker 9: the dirty work that you just don't want.

774
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:21,319
Speaker 7: To look at. That's fascinating.

775
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:23,879
Speaker 5: Will's out here living the life, and I.

776
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 9: Think when we see his fear triggered. It's always around Will.

777
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:29,920
Speaker 9: I don't think if the army's telling the truth, I

778
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:31,279
Speaker 9: don't think the fear lives in his head. I don't

779
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 9: think it's fear for himself. I think he only has

780
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 9: fear and his kid's future. And I think that is

781
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:38,759
Speaker 9: such a fucking beautiful way to explore the world of

782
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 9: it that we haven't had before, because most parents are

783
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:43,839
Speaker 9: trash and awful in this series, and so to get

784
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:47,400
Speaker 9: two parents who care in totally different ways, who's ways

785
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 9: of caring clash with each other, but they have clearly

786
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 9: so much love for each other and so much love

787
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 9: for their kid, and then doing it in Maryland, where

788
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:58,480
Speaker 9: integration is really I mean, like we could even look

789
00:40:58,520 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 9: this is the last thing I'll say, but we can

790
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:02,320
Speaker 9: look at this scene where Charlotte goes to the police

791
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 9: office and they're like, we're not the South, while dropping

792
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:08,400
Speaker 9: like an atomic bomb's worth of microaggressions on her to

793
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:11,920
Speaker 9: be like, you don't know what you're talking about. I

794
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:14,960
Speaker 9: don't have to address you, lady, not calling her by

795
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:17,359
Speaker 9: her name, not you never speak to a white woman

796
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 9: this way with your back turn and continuing your work, never,

797
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:25,279
Speaker 9: especially this time week. No no, and so I think

798
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 9: this show has done such a beautiful job of sort

799
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 9: of exploring black culture. And they've I mean, they've credited

800
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 9: Chord quite a lot, not to take anything away from

801
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 9: each individual writer for these episodes, but they said like

802
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:38,800
Speaker 9: they brought Chord in specifically to work on the dynamics

803
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:41,120
Speaker 9: of this family, and I'm so excited. I'm really guys,

804
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 9: everyone cross your fingers. I'm trying to get him for

805
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:43,239
Speaker 9: episode six.

806
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:47,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, the sense of the father episode do we feel about.

807
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 1: When they I feel complex when when a production signals

808
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:54,359
Speaker 1: that it's because it's On the one hand, I love

809
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 1: the acknowledgment of we need some we need to do

810
00:41:57,120 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 1: this right, we need to have that life experience and

811
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 1: we don't heaven Sweeney Tea. I also feel like there's

812
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:04,799
Speaker 1: a cynical version that I've seen a lot where it's

813
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:06,720
Speaker 1: like it's all that person's fault.

814
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:07,799
Speaker 2: Of course it is.

815
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 4: I do think that oftentimes when you take on that responsibility,

816
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:13,799
Speaker 4: it is so that the studio can go, well, we

817
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:14,840
Speaker 4: had one person.

818
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 2: If you don't like it, they approved everything that we did.

819
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:19,560
Speaker 2: But I also do think that Cord is.

820
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 9: I think this is the great this it Yes, agree

821
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:25,240
Speaker 9: the best possible outcome, the best possible even.

822
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:27,359
Speaker 2: If there isn't exact who feels like that, that's fine

823
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 2: because Coord's gonna do his thing. Yeah, Court, you know

824
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:29,560
Speaker 2: what I mean.

825
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 4: But I totally, I totally understand. I would also say

826
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 4: as well, just to jump off what you were saying, Joelle,

827
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 4: I was looking up some stuff. I find that the

828
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 4: inclusion of Julia Juniper Hill really interesting as just kind

829
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:45,279
Speaker 4: of such a major plot point and Maryland at the

830
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 4: same time still had segregated institutions. It also was had

831
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 4: a lot of institutions that ran from the seven late

832
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 4: like seventeen hundreds where they were putting women and children

833
00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 4: all the time. So I just think there is a

834
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 4: level of history here that they are delving into about

835
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 4: American history that is more.

836
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:07,440
Speaker 2: Than surface level. And that's me is a big appeal.

837
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 1: It's giving so much more than it needed to, which

838
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:17,239
Speaker 1: I like respect, like there is on the.

839
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:20,759
Speaker 2: Quote, there is a giving more than it needed to.

840
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:24,840
Speaker 1: There's a portion of this show that that just goes

841
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:29,759
Speaker 1: very surface level with all of the societal and racial dynamics,

842
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:31,880
Speaker 1: and we kind of shrug and go, okay, it's it,

843
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 1: you know whatever.

844
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 3: But credit to the show for not doing that.

845
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:39,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, for and for accepting a very kind of quietly

846
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:45,800
Speaker 1: radical good version of of this into a show that's

847
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 1: this mainstream.

848
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:49,880
Speaker 4: Is kind of great that they Okay, guys, before we

849
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 4: jump off, because I just I love talking about the show.

850
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:55,439
Speaker 2: What do you think I'll we kind.

851
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:57,920
Speaker 1: Of talked about the sling shot.

852
00:43:58,200 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 2: No need to talk about it.

853
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:01,759
Speaker 1: We have to Is the slingshot doing too much?

854
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 2: Okay?

855
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:05,360
Speaker 9: First of all, first of all, I'm gonna I'm going

856
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:08,799
Speaker 9: about it back to you briefly, Jason explain what the

857
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:12,279
Speaker 9: slingshot means in the original text.

858
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:16,799
Speaker 5: In the original text, is it Bill.

859
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 4: Has a slingshot that also can kill monsters, And it's

860
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 4: this representation of, like I think it's meant to be about,

861
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 4: like youth and innocence, and it's their version of like

862
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:30,480
Speaker 4: the Freddy Krueger you don't exist. Is like this toy

863
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:33,920
Speaker 4: that a kid can use can defeat a monster.

864
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 2: That's how I read it when I was young.

865
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:39,279
Speaker 4: I do feel like at this point we've seen that

866
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:40,759
Speaker 4: slingshot do a lot.

867
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 2: Is it the same slingshot?

868
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:46,359
Speaker 1: That's why I want to slingshot, right, I thought? See

869
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:51,360
Speaker 1: now my reading of this slingshot was that because Rose

870
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:54,120
Speaker 1: head shot it with it, there is now a connection

871
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:54,880
Speaker 1: between the.

872
00:44:57,360 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 5: And the item.

873
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 1: It's not like some kind of myster embodiment of like

874
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:04,440
Speaker 1: the innocence of childhood that can like the garlic or

875
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:06,759
Speaker 1: the silver bullet that can hurt it. It's just like

876
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 1: you hit the demon with this thing and it's got

877
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:09,720
Speaker 1: demon juice.

878
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:13,359
Speaker 4: In that case, is I would say in that case,

879
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 4: because that's a really great read. And in that case,

880
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:19,920
Speaker 4: I would say that it probably is the same slingshot

881
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 4: that they will reveal goes to Bill somehow. Now, as

882
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:25,880
Speaker 4: Chris Hayna, someone I've been on many fun set visits

883
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 4: with and who is generally just a great writer who

884
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 4: wrote a polygon, is like, does Bill unknowingly find the

885
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:36,399
Speaker 4: magical slingshot at thrift store or is welcome to dairy

886
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:39,279
Speaker 4: making the leap that slingshots in general often at all

887
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:41,279
Speaker 4: by children. He's on the same page as me, are

888
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:44,320
Speaker 4: especially dangerous against him once that feeds on kids, because

889
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 4: as he points out, there's no link like the general

890
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:48,320
Speaker 4: isn't in the original books.

891
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:49,760
Speaker 2: That's a new character.

892
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:55,239
Speaker 9: Through like the mother's side of the family. I mean,

893
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 9: Chris mentions that earlier in the article.

894
00:45:57,360 --> 00:45:59,759
Speaker 4: I would also say Rose like it just ends up

895
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 4: in her shop, and she the family make sure that

896
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:04,799
Speaker 4: the sling shot always ends up with kids who are

897
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:05,239
Speaker 4: in the town.

898
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:07,839
Speaker 9: I love this secret adults who don't remember but are

899
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:10,719
Speaker 9: constantly setting kids up for success. Yeah, and that I

900
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 9: think it seems to be all adults against all children,

901
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 9: like if there's a I sort of enjoyed this idea

902
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:18,040
Speaker 9: of because I think too, if you think about a

903
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 9: small town, I grew up in a very small town. Uh,

904
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 9: there are radical.

905
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:24,879
Speaker 5: Adults sprinkled throughout who like just give you the tools.

906
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 7: To not just survive, but like get out if you

907
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:26,920
Speaker 7: want to.

908
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:30,080
Speaker 9: And I would be curious to see how that play

909
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 9: out in a Stephen King type universe.

910
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 3: I think that could be a lot of fun.

911
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 4: It makes sense too, because, like you said, we already

912
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 4: establishing the fact that.

913
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 2: There is.

914
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:44,320
Speaker 4: No adults who seemingly remember this in any definite way.

915
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 1: Or can I ask you to I only think, oh, no,

916
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:53,240
Speaker 1: go ahead, no, no, let's talk. Well, I just wanted

917
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 1: to ask, I guess what do we think the general's

918
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:02,200
Speaker 1: actual plan? Or it is like they're going to put

919
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:04,319
Speaker 1: them in the comment and drop them on.

920
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:05,440
Speaker 2: Moscow or something.

921
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:10,960
Speaker 5: What's I do think the Annual Plan.

922
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 4: I do think that for some reason he thinks that

923
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:19,719
Speaker 4: they need to be in charge of it because it

924
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:23,800
Speaker 4: will give them some kind of technology fear weapons, fear weapons,

925
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:26,280
Speaker 4: which I'm just like, guys, haven't you lumped by this point?

926
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:29,399
Speaker 2: Like this is the eerr of like MK ultra, like.

927
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 8: Guys weaponing people off handedly in one of the episodes

928
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:36,839
Speaker 8: about the men Whoster at Goats program or something.

929
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:41,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, exactly, Like it's acknowledging that this is America's

930
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:42,640
Speaker 4: occult exploration.

931
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 1: I will say what's interesting about MK ultra and the

932
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 1: whole Not to get too far on.

933
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:49,440
Speaker 3: Aside, but part of this was spurred on by.

934
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 1: Powc came back from North Korea in the Korean War,

935
00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:58,799
Speaker 1: who appeared to have been broken in some kind of

936
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:03,680
Speaker 1: mind control way. That led the US government to be like,

937
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:06,399
Speaker 1: we've got a mind control gap. We need to get

938
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:08,719
Speaker 1: up with the we need to beat the Soviets and

939
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:12,719
Speaker 1: the Communists in mind control technology, believing that the Communists

940
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:15,880
Speaker 1: had somehow broken the code on how to like create

941
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:19,440
Speaker 1: sleeper cells, break people's minds, et cetera, which led to

942
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:22,919
Speaker 1: so it is a fascinating. It is that whole trip

943
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:25,839
Speaker 1: is very fascinating. This makes sense that this would they

944
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:26,960
Speaker 1: would be trying to do this.

945
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 2: Agreed.

946
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 4: What if you guys each going forward from now to

947
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 4: the end of the season, what is the character that

948
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:37,680
Speaker 4: you're most excited to see that journey from here on out?

949
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:42,399
Speaker 8: I think it's got to be for me. I am

950
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:46,480
Speaker 8: most curious about what Rose is doing and what her

951
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:49,719
Speaker 8: plan for the community is, because she seems to be

952
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 8: like kind of a maternal character. But I'm telling you,

953
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:58,759
Speaker 8: if they don't, if that atomic bomb doesn't happen by

954
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:01,640
Speaker 8: the end of the season, I'm gonna.

955
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:11,800
Speaker 1: I will say Carmen Rose is so unconcerned. There must

956
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:15,560
Speaker 1: be something else that she has in mind, or that

957
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:19,840
Speaker 1: that's what I'm she has going because she is not

958
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:24,799
Speaker 1: at all obviously it's concerning that the military is digging

959
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:25,759
Speaker 1: around looking for it, right.

960
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:28,240
Speaker 5: She also doesn't seem like that pressed.

961
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:32,960
Speaker 9: She really doesn't so like bringing in other people, real

962
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:36,160
Speaker 9: calm demeanor about everything. She must have backup plans on

963
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 9: backup plans, like I think she's like prepared, like these

964
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 9: white people are crazy, and I'm gonna stay prepared so

965
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:42,960
Speaker 9: I don't be surprised, and I respect the ship out

966
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:48,920
Speaker 9: of prass for that. Uh, I am just okay. Two,

967
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:53,759
Speaker 9: it's it's Charlotte for sure. I need she. She's such

968
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:58,560
Speaker 9: an interesting and unique character, Like her energy is so distinct,

969
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:01,359
Speaker 9: like that not being able, it's still the sort of

970
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:04,120
Speaker 9: like coin is she plays with her husband where he

971
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:06,120
Speaker 9: was like, don't over trouble, She's like, you don't even

972
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:08,160
Speaker 9: have to worry about me, don't even Yeah, I'm just thinking,

973
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:09,040
Speaker 9: would you even.

974
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:09,480
Speaker 7: Think about that?

975
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:12,600
Speaker 9: She is just so like I'm just gonna do whatever

976
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:14,680
Speaker 9: I feel is right in this moment. I love that

977
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:16,319
Speaker 9: in a woman, and I feel like most women are

978
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 9: like that, and I feel like most women aren't represented

979
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:18,200
Speaker 9: like that.

980
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:19,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree.

981
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:24,560
Speaker 9: I love Charlotte. And then, oh, there's one other thing

982
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:26,719
Speaker 9: I've talked about. Baby Will is my other one who's

983
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:27,560
Speaker 9: no longer a baby.

984
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:28,239
Speaker 5: Guys, one of this.

985
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:30,080
Speaker 2: Age show is crazy.

986
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:35,200
Speaker 5: These kids are suddenly so much older.

987
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 9: This shot through both of the strikes, and so there

988
00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:42,560
Speaker 9: was a lot of stoppage and restarting, and so suddenly

989
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:45,040
Speaker 9: the kids are two years older. And it's a little wild.

990
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 9: But I feel like the show doesn't they play it

991
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:50,880
Speaker 9: off well enough that it doesn't bother even you're he's sway.

992
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:52,440
Speaker 7: He's grown like four full inches.

993
00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:57,640
Speaker 1: I was looking through the telescope and I saw a

994
00:50:57,760 --> 00:50:59,560
Speaker 1: scared clo scared right now.

995
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 5: In the fifth grade.

996
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:07,920
Speaker 4: But I will say, Will, I'm glad you brought him

997
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:10,920
Speaker 4: up because I love Will, and I'm specifically I'm very

998
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:15,320
Speaker 4: excited to see how Charlotte Will and LeRoy's relationship. I

999
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:18,239
Speaker 4: feel like that could be an ultimate kind of the

1000
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:21,000
Speaker 4: tip of the IT fighting triangle.

1001
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:21,520
Speaker 2: Is that family.

1002
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:23,840
Speaker 4: And I'm really excited to see how they bring in

1003
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 4: everyone else because also Charlotte's clearly like a found family

1004
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:27,719
Speaker 4: type mom.

1005
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:30,360
Speaker 2: She's gonna look at anyone like.

1006
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:32,319
Speaker 1: I'm going to take a hard left turn on who

1007
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:34,200
Speaker 1: I'm excited.

1008
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:36,359
Speaker 2: You're gonna say, what.

1009
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:39,760
Speaker 1: Do you think I'm gonna say anyway? No, no, no, no, no, okay.

1010
00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:42,919
Speaker 1: I want to see Marge, what's up now?

1011
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:43,480
Speaker 3: What's up?

1012
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:43,640
Speaker 8: Now?

1013
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:50,319
Speaker 2: What happened? What Marge? What happened? What up?

1014
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:56,440
Speaker 1: I can't wait to see how badly or not your

1015
00:51:56,480 --> 00:52:01,640
Speaker 1: eye stalks are cut. Don't listen things that go on

1016
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:04,439
Speaker 1: in high school ut to school like it's in a sense,

1017
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:06,360
Speaker 1: it's all okay because you can move on and it

1018
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:10,080
Speaker 1: doesn't matter, but hopefully you'll you know, you're the type

1019
00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:12,759
Speaker 1: of person who processes all the bad things you did

1020
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:14,239
Speaker 1: in high school and go, Okay, that was terrible.

1021
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:15,680
Speaker 3: I'm not going to do that again. I learned to

1022
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:19,719
Speaker 3: not do that. But come on, that was.

1023
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:24,480
Speaker 1: You know, you did your girl so fucking dirty, and

1024
00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:26,200
Speaker 1: I don't care that you had to change your heart

1025
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:29,040
Speaker 1: at the last second and that Pennywise kept you from

1026
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:31,759
Speaker 1: like you still put the thing in motion, and the

1027
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:34,840
Speaker 1: way the switch up when she's like when Lily's not

1028
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:36,520
Speaker 1: looking at her and she's like feeling, oh my gosh,

1029
00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:38,440
Speaker 1: should I do this? And then Lily looks at her

1030
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:40,480
Speaker 1: and she turns it on all of a sudden, She's like,

1031
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:44,320
Speaker 1: I miss you so much, like when are we gonna?

1032
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:49,200
Speaker 1: It's like, you're so it's so chay, I don't care

1033
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:52,920
Speaker 1: you feel bad Tilda Lawlor though, because she's crushing performance.

1034
00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:58,640
Speaker 2: We all knew that girl again.

1035
00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:01,680
Speaker 4: A brash side of womanhood that you don't really get

1036
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:04,160
Speaker 4: to see, which is like the nerdy girl who gets

1037
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:09,040
Speaker 4: in with the popular girl. You see real life, but

1038
00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:12,520
Speaker 4: we haven't necessarily seen it on screen represented in this way.

1039
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:15,120
Speaker 4: It's usually a mean girls type thing, a kind of

1040
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:16,280
Speaker 4: like played for jokes.

1041
00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:18,960
Speaker 2: This is very interesting to see a girl.

1042
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:23,600
Speaker 9: Turned sort of version where now she's and now she's just.

1043
00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:28,080
Speaker 4: Now they're gonna obviously reject her because of this, or

1044
00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:31,800
Speaker 4: they could turn her into another classic kind of American trope,

1045
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:35,400
Speaker 4: which is like she's like their pet because she's disabled.

1046
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:36,960
Speaker 2: And aren't they so nice but all sticking with her.

1047
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:41,040
Speaker 4: But Mike got says on a storytelling level, exactly, like,

1048
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:44,279
Speaker 4: on a storytelling level, I would say that we're probably

1049
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:46,880
Speaker 4: gonna see margin Lily now come together.

1050
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:48,720
Speaker 2: Marge will cover for Lily.

1051
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:52,560
Speaker 4: Say that Marge, Yeah, because they have to bring Marge

1052
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:53,359
Speaker 4: back into the crew.

1053
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:56,160
Speaker 2: It was always gonna happen. Is she gonna the.

1054
00:53:56,120 --> 00:53:59,239
Speaker 7: Third trip to the sanatorium for poor Lily?

1055
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:02,000
Speaker 5: Like I feel like she get out of that.

1056
00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:03,879
Speaker 9: I don't think she could do a third trip, first

1057
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:05,760
Speaker 9: of all, and I don't think the show can sustain

1058
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:06,960
Speaker 9: a third trip at this point.

1059
00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:09,480
Speaker 7: It's too soon. So you might be right about that.

1060
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:12,760
Speaker 9: I just think, like, yeah, Marge's thorist because your friend

1061
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:18,200
Speaker 9: lost her father in a horrific accident, institutionalized twice by

1062
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:20,720
Speaker 9: your side while you were getting the dog shit bullied

1063
00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:22,520
Speaker 9: out of you and then you portray her.

1064
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:24,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, Marge, you have to work for this forgiveness.

1065
00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:32,760
Speaker 2: Yeah you got back. I deserve to get snail eyed plenty.

1066
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:36,440
Speaker 1: Wise, I did enjoy it for a for a brief

1067
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:41,920
Speaker 1: for one second second, I was like, well, you played

1068
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:47,080
Speaker 1: around and look what happened, and friend who you don't

1069
00:54:47,120 --> 00:54:49,880
Speaker 1: deserve is out here trying to stop you from cutting

1070
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:52,600
Speaker 1: your snail eyes out. And let me tell you when

1071
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:56,120
Speaker 1: it's all said and done, when when when we come

1072
00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:58,720
Speaker 1: back next episode, you better be like that she didn't

1073
00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:01,239
Speaker 1: she was trying to help me, because if I'll tell

1074
00:55:01,239 --> 00:55:04,400
Speaker 1: you what if Marge is like, yeah, maybe she was

1075
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:06,839
Speaker 1: trying to kill me, And that was like, you know,

1076
00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:09,480
Speaker 1: like that makes sense the vision that I saw that

1077
00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:11,799
Speaker 1: seems so real, like maybe I was just losing it

1078
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:15,000
Speaker 1: and it was just Lily's craziness infecting me when actually

1079
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:18,200
Speaker 1: she was like harming me. If that's where you go, March,

1080
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:23,680
Speaker 1: well that's wroth. I will turn my back on you.

1081
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:26,080
Speaker 2: Time your back on much no forgiveness.

1082
00:55:26,719 --> 00:55:28,799
Speaker 1: On the next episode of X Ray Vision, we're getting

1083
00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:30,600
Speaker 1: ready for the final season of Stranger Things with a

1084
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:32,800
Speaker 1: recap up season four. That's it for this episode.

1085
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:33,480
Speaker 3: THANXT for listening.

1086
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:36,320
Speaker 2: Bye Hey by.

1087
00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:40,960
Speaker 1: X ray Vision is hosted by Jason Concepcion and Rosie

1088
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:43,080
Speaker 1: Night and is a production of iHeart Podcast.

1089
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:47,000
Speaker 4: Our executive producers are Joel Monique and Aaron Kaufman.

1090
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:49,279
Speaker 3: Our supervising producer is Abuzafar.

1091
00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:53,640
Speaker 4: Our producers are Common, Laurent Dean Jonathan and Fey Wack.

1092
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:56,520
Speaker 1: A theme song is by Brian Vasquez, with alternate theme

1093
00:55:56,600 --> 00:55:57,840
Speaker 1: songs by Aaron Kaufman.

1094
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Speaker 4: Special thanks to Saul Rubin, Chris Lord, Kenny Goodman and

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