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Speaker 3: a lot of our fellow friends and neighbors conspiracy realists
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Speaker 3: in this Thursday. First things first, Yes, we're not going
Speaker 3: to spend too much time on it. You saw the
Speaker 3: news about dire wolves. They're not really dire wolves. They're
Speaker 3: kind of a new thing. They're gray wolves that look
Speaker 3: like hearts of dire wolves. It's similar to the you know,
Speaker 3: the wooly mice thing we talked about earlier. So don't
Speaker 3: let the POPSI News mislead you. It is a phenomenal breakthrough.
Speaker 3: It is not a dire wolf. Dire wolves are actually
Speaker 3: way less closely related to modern wolves. Then you may think,
Speaker 3: but are anything we wanted to get into real.
Speaker 5: Quick though, ben yees, are dire wolves is a thing
Speaker 5: like I thought that was made up? Okay, I did
Speaker 5: not clock that. Could you maybe shared with the class
Speaker 5: I don't think.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 5: Maybe maybe a lot of folks that know the dire
Speaker 5: wolves are not just a George R. Martin creation.
Speaker 3: Right, let's go to real quick. Then let's go to
Speaker 3: a great breakdown from Michael Lapage writing for New Scientists.
Speaker 3: The title is no, the dire wolf has not been
Speaker 3: brought back from extinction. This is all about a company
Speaker 3: named Colossal Biosciences. Recently they created I think created, it's
Speaker 3: the right word, three pups that they claim are dire wolves,
Speaker 3: but instead they're gray wolves with genetic edits. A couple
Speaker 3: switches turned on that make them resemble the extinct dire wolf.
Speaker 3: The dire wolf has been gone for more than ten
Speaker 3: thousand years, and this is this is a good push.
Speaker 3: There are a lot of concerns that the introducing this
Speaker 3: kind of thing into the wild, something that's no longer
Speaker 3: quite a gray wolf and definitely not an actual dire wolf.
Speaker 3: It may harm local ecosystems because it's a new apex predator. Essentially,
Speaker 3: the dire wolf has again, it's been extinct. It was
Speaker 3: only named the dire wolf in like the eighteen mid
Speaker 3: eighteen hundreds, I want to say, because that it was
Speaker 3: discovered four years later, but it's not. It's never been
Speaker 3: a thing in modern human history.
Speaker 5: Well, color me educated, because I thought it was just
Speaker 5: a clever kind of Tolkien esque thing, like the olephants,
Speaker 5: like sort of a made up term for a species
Speaker 5: resembling something that exists in the real world, but sort
Speaker 5: of fantasized for lack of a better term.
Speaker 4: That's interesting.
Speaker 3: Dire wolf, disastrous elephant, mega, Yeah, something like that.
Speaker 4: Sure, I like that.
Speaker 3: So you can find a lot of really good science
Speaker 3: on what's happening there, and we'd love to hear your
Speaker 3: opinions on it. We'd also love to hear, by the way,
Speaker 3: before we begin, if you yourself can help us out
Speaker 3: with astronaut poop. Does anybody anybody in the crowd tonight
Speaker 3: we're doing crowd work, guys, Does anybody in the crowd
Speaker 3: tonight have a solution for recycling astronaut poop on the moon?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 3: Okay, let's hear it.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, that was a good idea. Sorry, we were
Speaker 2: listening to your idea there. I think it goes back
Speaker 2: to we talked about this before about blood, Like, what
Speaker 2: do we do with the blood and all the other stuff?
Speaker 2: We make bricks out of that poop poop, guys.
Speaker 5: Right, we've talked about the brick ideal, or you know,
Speaker 5: with the blood, we could perhaps make sausages.
Speaker 3: Oh blood, blood sausage, and that is Actually these are
Speaker 3: very clever references to the composition of human fecies, which
Speaker 3: which I greatly appreciate. Here's the the quick skinny on
Speaker 3: this on the surface of our own beloved moon, which
Speaker 3: does not influence menstruation. Thank you for the listeners who
Speaker 3: wrote in with that there are ninety six bags of
Speaker 3: human feces, urine and vomit. Apollo astronauts left that behind
Speaker 3: so they could hit the weight requirement for their spacecraft.
Speaker 3: If you can figure out how to recycle this stuff,
Speaker 3: NASA is going to pay you three million US dollars,
Speaker 3: which seems kind.
Speaker 2: Of low, right, I mean for some poopoo, it seems
Speaker 2: kind of low.
Speaker 5: It is astronaut poopo, though, I mean has clearly got superpowers.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, there we go. We'll tell us your ideas, folks,
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Speaker 3: could get a breaking news queue, Okay, something a little
Speaker 3: more ominous, perfect, we have to talk about this. We'll
Speaker 3: throw to a clip from the current president a little
Speaker 3: bit later here. But we've all heard the news, right
Speaker 3: Matt Noel. The United States, as we mentioned in a
Speaker 3: previous Strange News segment, has been without due process, extraditing
Speaker 3: innocent residents to different countries, sometimes not even their country
Speaker 3: of origin. You know, we talked about the Venezuela and
Speaker 3: gang moral panic we could call it at this point,
Speaker 3: and then we talked about we talked about the case
Speaker 3: of a guy who got sent off to several guys
Speaker 3: who got sent off to prisons in El Salvador. They
Speaker 3: are they have no proven criminal charges. There is right
Speaker 3: now a great hulla blue and that's that's too fun
Speaker 3: a word for it. There's a great hullablue going on
Speaker 3: in the United States about this policy. What do you
Speaker 3: guys know about it? Where's we what we consider a
Speaker 3: starting point for the conversation?
Speaker 5: I guess the big starting point for me is the
Speaker 5: story about the man uh his name is kilmar Abrego Garcia,
Speaker 5: who was mistakenly deported to a an Al Salvadorian prison
Speaker 5: known to be quite a brutal place, and then the
Speaker 5: Supreme Court ruled that he needed to be.
Speaker 4: Returned to which the Trump administration.
Speaker 5: More or less nah and hosted El Salvador President Nayeb
Speaker 5: Bucle in the Oval office, wherein they referred to the
Speaker 5: idea of bringing this man back as smuggling a terrorist
Speaker 5: back into the country. Just the charged language around it,
Speaker 5: as a lot of chatter indicating belief that this man
Speaker 5: is no longer living, or the idea that if he
Speaker 5: were to be returned, that it would be very bad
Speaker 5: for El Salvador because he would likely speak to the
Speaker 5: brutal conditions in the prison.
Speaker 3: Right, and that's the Terrorist Confinement Center or abbreviated as
Speaker 3: SEACOT in Spanish. It's a max prison, like we're talking
Speaker 3: about maximum security. Garcia is a salvador in of origin.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 3: He was mistakenly deported on March fifteenth, twenty twenty five.
Speaker 3: I would say renditioned, because later the DOJ lawyers said
Speaker 3: this was an administrative error, but they still maintain he's
Speaker 3: a member, not just a member, but a leader of
Speaker 3: MS thirteen. And like you said, Noel, the courts went
Speaker 3: to the current administration and they said, hey, you can't
Speaker 3: take this guy down, Salvadore. There's no way. And Matt,
Speaker 3: you and I talked about this in a previous Strange
Speaker 3: News towards the end of the program, the White House
Speaker 3: claims to have intelligence linking him Garcia to human trafficking.
Speaker 3: This case continues, and it's going to Critics of the
Speaker 3: administration say it's going to set a dangerous precedent, especially
Speaker 3: because of a recent hot mic incident that we will
Speaker 3: play a clip of. Now, we always have to obey
Speaker 3: the laws, but we also have homegrown criminals that push
Speaker 3: people into subways, hit elderly ladies on the back of
Speaker 3: the head with a baseball bat when they're not looking.
Speaker 4: That are absolute monsters.
Speaker 3: I'd like to include them in the group of people
Speaker 3: to get them out of the country. So what we
Speaker 3: just heard there was the idea from the current president
Speaker 3: that people his administration considers criminals should also be in
Speaker 3: the President's perspective, deported, presumably without due process, to prisons
Speaker 3: in Al Salvador, occurring in step with proposals to build
Speaker 3: more prisons in El Salvador.
Speaker 5: And just want to say, I mean, this is less
Speaker 5: of a hot mic moment and more of the camera
Speaker 5: that they're rolling I'm saying this to the public moment,
Speaker 5: which is a little scary. It's one of those things
Speaker 5: too that the president often likes to write off after
Speaker 5: the fact as a joke, you know, but it's not
Speaker 5: particularly funny when you start to realize the big picture
Speaker 5: ramifications and the massively slippery slope of this kind of thinking,
Speaker 5: because then it becomes well, what constitutes this level of
Speaker 5: criminality and that becomes a rubric for the administration to decide.
Speaker 5: And his Press secretary Caroline Levitt has said that this
Speaker 5: is something that they are looking into, so it's not
Speaker 5: even really being written off as a.
Speaker 3: Joke, right, yeah, And I want to be clear here,
Speaker 3: this is a conspiratorial idea that has not been said once.
Speaker 3: It has been reiterated as a matter of fact. We're
Speaker 3: recording on Wednesday, April sixteenth, twenty twenty five. On Monday
Speaker 3: of this week, on April fourteenth, the current US president
Speaker 3: reiterated so said again that he'd like to send US
Speaker 3: citizens to El Salvador in prison if they commit violent
Speaker 3: prime and he told the President of El Salvador, Kelly,
Speaker 3: that he'd have to quote build five more places to
Speaker 3: hold the potential new arrivals. And we already know, you know,
Speaker 3: like we said earlier, people have been immigrants primarily have
Speaker 3: been deported to Seacott and Seacott is known for its
Speaker 3: just horrific conditions.
Speaker 4: Why would you want them? I don't understand.
Speaker 5: This seems very presumptuous on the President's part to say,
Speaker 5: we'll just send them to your country so that you
Speaker 5: can deal with them in your prison system. Isn't the
Speaker 5: whole idea that this would be a burden on our
Speaker 5: prison system? So what's with the outsourcing and why isn't
Speaker 5: he pushing back against this instead having a real glad
Speaker 5: handy kind of you know, photo op moment in the
Speaker 5: Oval office.
Speaker 4: I'm a little confused.
Speaker 3: Well, they have kind of a they have kind of
Speaker 3: a rapport. The El Salvadoran president has called himself the
Speaker 3: world's coolest dictator. That is a quote from him. He
Speaker 3: has also met with some success in combating the violent
Speaker 3: crime rates of that country, and that stood out to
Speaker 3: the current US administration. They visit it like the conversation
Speaker 3: we're talking about happened on Monday, April fourteenth, And the
Speaker 3: idea is that you could take being tough on crime
Speaker 3: and extend that right so you can break some constitutional
Speaker 3: rights for the greater good. And this has met with
Speaker 3: some domestic support in parts of the United States. It
Speaker 3: really depends on the perspective that people are coming from,
Speaker 3: and quite candidly, the source of their news. Like we
Speaker 3: all obsessively talk with multiple experts and read multiple news
Speaker 3: sources that often contradict each other, and we have to
Speaker 3: do that. But for people who are only you know,
Speaker 3: you're only getting your news from MSNBC or Fox News
Speaker 3: or what's the other one, the one America network?
Speaker 2: What is it all news now? American News?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, news back is another one.
Speaker 2: But yeah, but don't you guys think this is this
Speaker 2: is doing a favor for the new strong man that's
Speaker 2: running the world's largest military as well as for sure. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but I mean, like his name is how do you say?
Speaker 4: I think that's right?
Speaker 2: Something like that, the U K E L E OK
Speaker 2: coming in and basically saying, yeah, oh sure, we'll do
Speaker 2: some things for you guys. We'll just you know, we'll
Speaker 2: be your friends.
Speaker 5: You're saying it's a it's perhaps evidence of a long
Speaker 5: term alliance. Yes, that could really mutate into something maybe
Speaker 5: that we've never seen before.
Speaker 3: Well, I would argue there is precedent to it. I
Speaker 3: would argue this is not an original quid pro quo
Speaker 3: transactional relationship. We've seen dirty deals in the past. This
Speaker 3: does go to you know, this goes to what our
Speaker 3: colleague Maggie was saying earlier in an interview segment you
Speaker 3: guys did with her. And I'm still irritated that I
Speaker 3: was not able to be there, but to point out
Speaker 3: something that I'm really glad she said. And I think
Speaker 3: it's the most important point of that conversation. These kind
Speaker 3: of things should be treated as though they are expansionists,
Speaker 3: as though they are precedent, as though they are harbingers
Speaker 3: of ideas or desires for policy to come. You know,
Speaker 3: if people get sent to El Salvador, they are outside
Speaker 3: the jurisdiction of US courts, and that is a huge
Speaker 3: piece of the issue.
Speaker 4: Well, and they kind of double think of it. All
Speaker 4: that really rubs me the wrong way.
Speaker 5: Is this notion that this was a clerical error that
Speaker 5: has been immediately walked back by a high level Trump official,
Speaker 5: is like Stephen Miller, etc. Who are saying that this
Speaker 5: was not a clerical error and this is exactly where
Speaker 5: this man belonged, and that it is up to Al
Speaker 5: Salvador to decide whether or not to return him.
Speaker 3: This is the point I want to make the judges
Speaker 3: say this is illegal, because it turns out judges are
Speaker 3: very into rule of law. The current administration argues, look,
Speaker 3: if someone is sent to El Salvador, they're out the door.
Speaker 3: We cannot legally say they must be released or return
Speaker 3: to the US because we no longer have control over them,
Speaker 3: which is an incredibly orwellian argument. Regardless of what somebody's
Speaker 3: you know, political position or ideology is. We are approaching
Speaker 3: a point where the Supreme Court of the United States,
Speaker 3: the judicial branch, is going to be in increasingly escalating
Speaker 3: conflict with the executive branch. Now, granted, part of that
Speaker 3: is baked into the idea of the US legal system.
Speaker 3: The judges and the legislature and the executive branch are
Speaker 3: supposed to get beefed up to a degree, but ultimately
Speaker 3: it is Scootis who is allowed to say what is
Speaker 3: or is not legal, and their word is supposed to fly.
Speaker 3: That's one of the bedrocks of democracy. When the foundational pieces,
Speaker 3: the question becomes what happens if someone just ignores scutis.
Speaker 5: Okay, so we talk about the Chicago bulls angle that
Speaker 5: that's like.
Speaker 3: With the tattoo.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well no, no, it was a hoodie right right.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry the tattoos in one case, the hoodie in another. Yeah,
Speaker 3: we talked about strange.
Speaker 5: News, right, And just just to reiterate that, I think
Speaker 5: that has become or is used as sort of like
Speaker 5: gang colors in a way like Chicago bulls logos and color,
Speaker 5: et cetera. Has been reappropriated as the facto insignia of
Speaker 5: MS thirteen.
Speaker 3: And the Supreme Court has ordered the administration to quote
Speaker 3: facilitate the return of Garcia, never charged with a crime
Speaker 3: to this day, he got shipped against existing policy or
Speaker 3: legal policy. This has not happened in US history, And
Speaker 3: so we have to ask is the current administration just
Speaker 3: sort of playing jazz spitballing on things like, hey, what
Speaker 3: if we could get rid of inconvenient people? If so,
Speaker 3: where does it stop? And I want to pause here
Speaker 3: and ask everybody in the crowd just personally. Am I
Speaker 3: being alarmist? Are people like Maggie or myself being a
Speaker 3: little too quick to jump on the paranoia train?
Speaker 4: Well?
Speaker 2: Rolling Stone today wrote an article about a nineteen year
Speaker 2: old kid another person that was caught up when there
Speaker 2: were two hundred and thirty eight Venezuelan's Deporta del Salvador,
Speaker 2: and this kid was known to not be a part
Speaker 2: of any organization. Mister Gutierrez will Merriwell merwill mer w
Speaker 2: i L Gautierrez. According to the stories that are coming out,
Speaker 2: at least the one that was written in Rolling Stone,
Speaker 2: he was just standing out in front of his building
Speaker 2: and ice folks rolled up, grabbed him and a few others.
Speaker 2: One of them said that he wasn't the right kid,
Speaker 2: the right on.
Speaker 3: The ice agents said yep, this is not the guy
Speaker 3: we're looking for.
Speaker 2: One of the ice agents said, yep, this is not
Speaker 2: the guy we're looking for. And then that was it.
Speaker 2: Like they just took him because another one said, well, yeah,
Speaker 2: take him anyway.
Speaker 3: Take him anyway. Quote take him anyway. And this is
Speaker 3: this is still happening. So to that question, I know
Speaker 3: we're running long on time here. To that question, am
Speaker 3: I being paranoid by saying we should treat this as
Speaker 3: a precedent.
Speaker 5: No, I mean it's really scary, and like you said,
Speaker 5: we have this is not without precedent. This is just
Speaker 5: the first signs of what could potentially become an escalation
Speaker 5: of defining anyone that disagrees with an administration or with
Speaker 5: a government as an enemy of the States, you know,
Speaker 5: or as some sort of terrorists or homegrown that term
Speaker 5: there that you mentioned in the first place. It's really
Speaker 5: slippery and I don't care for it one bit.
Speaker 4: And just to answer my own question.
Speaker 5: From earlier, there is a deal between the US and
Speaker 5: l Salvador, a six million dollars deal where the Trump
Speaker 5: administration is paying for the housing of these deported individuals
Speaker 5: to El Salvador.
Speaker 3: Again, quick pro quo. President Harbinger's tell us what you think,
Speaker 3: folks at conspiracy at iHeartRadio dot com. There's so much
Speaker 3: more to get to. This may be an episode in
Speaker 3: the future. Meantime, just before we end this part of
Speaker 3: our weekly Strange News segment, we do want to congratulate
Speaker 3: good folks of Japan on making trading cards for middle
Speaker 3: aged men out in the small town of Kowara. So
Speaker 3: not everything is terrible. We're gonna check out more by
Speaker 3: going to Tokyo Weekend or excellent article by Naz Sarah Filil.
Speaker 3: Will be back with more strange news.
Speaker 2: And we've returned. I would argue that most things are
Speaker 2: terrible for those poor middle aged men that are on
Speaker 2: those cards. It's like one is just.
Speaker 4: It's no joke.
Speaker 5: Can I also just say that I think it's funny
Speaker 5: that we have middle aged, overweight man action figures in
Speaker 5: the form of the Minecraft movie. There is a Jack
Speaker 5: Black Steve figure that you can buy, and I've just
Speaker 5: seen tons of no fat shaming here. It's just funny
Speaker 5: the idea that a kid would want like a tubby
Speaker 5: middle aged beer he did guy action figure. They're wearing
Speaker 5: a T shirt.
Speaker 3: I love the I love the positivity of it too.
Speaker 5: It's just funny, like it's very similar to the trading
Speaker 5: card notion.
Speaker 2: It's also not Steve. That's not Steve.
Speaker 3: It's not it's a different it's the mythos the Middle
Speaker 3: East trade man. Trading cards are a they're a trading
Speaker 3: card game.
Speaker 2: Oh that's amazing. Okay, so they have.
Speaker 3: Now you're back in Yeah, properties and powers.
Speaker 2: Either way, have you seen the Divorced Dads trading cards.
Speaker 2: There's somebody on TikTok and Instagram that does that. He
Speaker 2: open them like magic. They look like magic cards, but
Speaker 2: they're divorced dads. They're pretty great. Girlfriend.
Speaker 3: Anyway, I still got to get those Japanese magic cards
Speaker 3: to you, Matt, Oh, Yeah, when.
Speaker 5: You when you tap the card, does that mean you
Speaker 5: get to exercise your loneliness powers?
Speaker 2: Yes, every time.
Speaker 3: I think it means you start a band.
Speaker 2: It depends on how I think it's all for the
Speaker 2: regular magic to all that applies too real. Okay, So
Speaker 2: here we go, guys, this is a story that has
Speaker 2: been coming out of the woodwork everywhere around Maryland. Everyone
Speaker 2: in the local news game has been writing about this
Speaker 2: because it is not about a criminal trial. It is
Speaker 2: about a lawsuit that has to do with a potential
Speaker 2: criminal trial. So let's put that up front. This is
Speaker 2: a class action lawsuit that we're going to be talking
Speaker 2: about today, not a criminal trial that is going to
Speaker 2: change things and maybe how we look.
Speaker 3: At it, but in its distinctions.
Speaker 2: Yes, but it's still it includes some of the most
Speaker 2: disturbing allegations that I've seen in a long while. So
Speaker 2: here we go. This comes to us again. Everybody is
Speaker 2: writing about it, but what we're reading from directly is
Speaker 2: from the Baltimore Banner, written on April third, twenty twenty five,
Speaker 2: by Tim Prudente. So Tim, thank you. A lot of
Speaker 2: these are going to be your world words. I want
Speaker 2: to read it verbatim because it is important to get
Speaker 2: some of this right, and it's messed up. Here we go,
Speaker 2: Here we go, Here we go. A pharmacist at the
Speaker 2: University of Maryland Medical Center allegedly carried out a nearly
Speaker 2: decade long campaign of cyber voyeurism, hacking hundreds of hospital
Speaker 2: computers to activate the webcams and watch young female doctors
Speaker 2: and medical residents undressing and pumping breast milk, according to
Speaker 2: this class action lawsuit. But it doesn't stop there, guys.
Speaker 2: It's a class action lawsuit by six women. It was
Speaker 2: filed very recently, right around to April third, twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2: The women further accuse this person, I'm not going to
Speaker 2: say their name yet, a man, a doctor, of installing
Speaker 2: software on hospital computers to steal their personal passwords and
Speaker 2: take control of their networks, like their home networks.
Speaker 3: This has given me, This has given me terrible recollections
Speaker 3: of the inthroom case in South Korea.
Speaker 2: Maybe know that one, but let's continue here. But let's
Speaker 2: go back to that ben because I want to know
Speaker 2: what that is. The allegations here include that this doctor
Speaker 2: watched the women in real time including one in Howard County,
Speaker 2: while she was at home where their children breastfeeding, undressing,
Speaker 2: and having sex with her husband like again watching the
Speaker 2: webcam in her house from wherever he is. He is
Speaker 2: accused of disabling the camera lights inside the other women's
Speaker 2: homes to secretly record videos of the women and their children,
Speaker 2: of hacking into the cloud account of another plaintiff to
Speaker 2: see her personal photos, her driver's license, passport, and credit
Speaker 2: card information. So before we continue on.
Speaker 3: Thoughts, ew uh yeah, abhorrent, unclean. Clearly this is not
Speaker 3: just about sexual exploitation, but it's about control and violation
Speaker 3: of people's boundaries. The fact that this guy, I know
Speaker 3: you'll want to mention, yet the fact that this guy
Speaker 3: is most likely acting alone Matt is perhaps one of
Speaker 3: the equally disturbing things about this because the Interroom case
Speaker 3: was a national scandal doing similar and perhaps even more
Speaker 3: evil things throughout South Korea. But this, this sounds so
Speaker 3: tell me if I'm on the mark here. This sounds
Speaker 3: like a single actor in a position of some authority,
Speaker 3: leveraging that to deeply invade the lives of innocent people.
Speaker 2: Yes, and it also gets into student teacher relationships stuff
Speaker 2: and we're gonna we're gonna say his name now.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 2: This is a quote from the attorney Steve Kelly, who
Speaker 2: is representing the six plaintiffs in the current class action suit. Quote.
Speaker 2: For nearly a decade, a single pharmacist named Matthew Bathula
Speaker 2: installed spyware on at least four hundred computers in clinics,
Speaker 2: treatment rooms, labs, and a variety of other locations at
Speaker 2: one of the nation's premier teaching hospitals.
Speaker 3: And that's Bathula, Batula.
Speaker 2: That is correct. If you wish to look it up again,
Speaker 2: you will find everybody in the local vicinity talking about this.
Speaker 2: Tim the writer of this article, notes around this part
Speaker 2: of the article that state and federal court records show
Speaker 2: that Bethulah has not been charged with a crime at
Speaker 2: this point. So these are allegations. Everything we're talking about
Speaker 2: here are allegations brought forth in a class action lawsuit,
Speaker 2: not a criminal suit like a trial by jury situation.
Speaker 2: The University of Maryland Medical System officials, according to Tim,
Speaker 2: have been working with the FBI and federal prosecutors for
Speaker 2: the past several months as part of an ongoing criminal investigation.
Speaker 2: So it is an investigation. It just isn't at the
Speaker 2: part yet where they file charges right the state prosecutor
Speaker 2: or somebody.
Speaker 3: And can't comment publicly.
Speaker 2: As a result, they will not neither will the FBI.
Speaker 2: So none of the authorities are talking about it. But
Speaker 2: since there is a class action lawsuit and statements are
Speaker 2: being made, stuff is being filed, we know about it.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 2: Here is where it gets pretty crazy, because the class
Speaker 2: action lawsuit is actually against the hospital, the medical center itself,
Speaker 2: because the plaintiffs say that essentially they were unaware that
Speaker 2: this is what was happening, and they were so they
Speaker 2: were not told that this is what's happening. You know,
Speaker 2: our privacy is being invaded by a single creeper, and
Speaker 2: they were not told, hey, here's how to protect yourself
Speaker 2: the They just were in the dark basically for a
Speaker 2: long time. Because, according to the lawsuit, the University of
Speaker 2: Maryland Medical Center in Baltimore alerted employees in October of guys, quote,
Speaker 2: a serious it incident. Right, there's been a serious incident.
Speaker 5: More than that, a bit more than just let's turn
Speaker 5: it off and back on again.
Speaker 3: It's incredibly vague language.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, so let's talk about that. They send an
Speaker 2: email out to employees, and they said they described this
Speaker 2: event as quote a highly sophisticated and very difficult to
Speaker 2: detect cyber attack that has resulted in the theft of
Speaker 2: data from shared UMMS computers, which is true, right, yes,
Speaker 2: but the theft of data, like what is that data?
Speaker 3: It's a implication.
Speaker 5: The other very vague phrase, the implication being that we've
Speaker 5: got this under control. This was our proprietary data. No
Speaker 5: indication of individuals being targeted or individuals being violated, like
Speaker 5: the idea is that. Okay, good to know, Glad you
Speaker 5: guys sorted it out. But absolutely no indication that someone
Speaker 5: might need to be concerned about videos of them floating
Speaker 5: out on the way.
Speaker 3: Also, no specific next steps, No like freach your credit report,
Speaker 3: something that would let you, you know, give you a
Speaker 3: sense of the type of content being being compromised here,
Speaker 3: No specific it looks I'm reading a couple other sources
Speaker 3: here as well, Matt. No specific at the time. Declarations
Speaker 3: of everybody bring your work computer.
Speaker 5: In it, you know, arguably intentionally misleading, which I'm sure
Speaker 5: is at the heart of the suit.
Speaker 3: Intentionally vague.
Speaker 2: But listen, listen to this, guys. Okay, So the Allegations
Speaker 2: in this suit state that doctor Bethula went into individual
Speaker 2: rooms using his like his credentials to get into specific
Speaker 2: rooms in the hospital. A lot of it, a lot
Speaker 2: of them are key carded. I'm imagined, just because I'm
Speaker 2: watching Severance, I'm imagining the Severance employees putting their cards
Speaker 2: into different things, and you would know, oh, it's logged
Speaker 2: that this doctor went for that room or whatever. In
Speaker 2: this case, he was going into individual rooms and installing
Speaker 2: keyloggers on all of the machines.
Speaker 3: Dude, but he was doing it. Maybe he was targeting
Speaker 3: a few people, but it sounds like at some point
Speaker 3: in the operation here, he just started going to everyone
Speaker 3: he could find.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he wanted everyone. Again. It's that control thing, right,
Speaker 2: I want to know what everyone is saying about everything
Speaker 2: at all times and doing and all that stuff. It's
Speaker 2: it's insane power trip stuff, and it's hard to describe.
Speaker 2: It's hard to understand. You'd think something this serious if
Speaker 2: it were real, if it was happening, if you found
Speaker 2: out it's happening, as the employers of this person, you
Speaker 2: would take some pretty heavy action against them, against the person.
Speaker 2: What they did was they put him on administrative leave.
Speaker 2: Then they fired him, but they did not mention any
Speaker 2: of this happening. When he went to take another job
Speaker 2: at another medical institution, she saw that where he currently
Speaker 2: is and is employed in another place. And again we
Speaker 2: have said his name here. So it is difficult. It's
Speaker 2: a tough thing. Right, he is accused of the things.
Speaker 2: He has not been charged with these things. So you
Speaker 2: have to leave a little bit I don't know. We
Speaker 2: have to be at least a little bit objective and
Speaker 2: say these are accusations. But at the same time, to
Speaker 2: have six different individuals come forward to make a class
Speaker 2: action lawsuit, it does feel like there's some sand to this.
Speaker 3: And to have the FBI involved, you know, they don't
Speaker 3: waste a ton of time. We know that I read
Speaker 3: in Campus Safety, I read that attorney's representing the current
Speaker 3: plaintiffs say there may be as many as eighty additional victims.
Speaker 3: So ye, this feels like the beginning of a larger
Speaker 3: heroin story.
Speaker 2: And that's an unknown that's a statement coming from the
Speaker 2: folks filing the lawsuit, right, but still it gives you pause.
Speaker 2: They just said we don't know the scope. That's one
Speaker 2: of the other attorneys, Cindy B. Morgan.
Speaker 3: But they did ultimately replace those compromise computers.
Speaker 2: At the very least, right, Yeah, they replaced all the computers. Yeah,
Speaker 2: because you kind of just have to because now you're
Speaker 2: unsure what has what on it and what are you
Speaker 2: going to do, Like he compromised specific workstations as well
Speaker 2: as ones that are specifically used for cameras, you know,
Speaker 2: and most of them have cameras installed in them anyway nowadays, right.
Speaker 3: And honestly it's pretty sophisticated. Yeah, no, and not being sarcastic.
Speaker 3: It's like controlling the cameras, turning off camera lights, things
Speaker 3: like that are not your run of the mill script
Speaker 3: kitty kind of stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure, No, for sure.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Let's see, let's just read a little bit more of
Speaker 2: this and then we'll move on to the next thing.
Speaker 2: But here's a last quote here from Tim. The medical
Speaker 2: center where Bethula worked serves as the academic campus of
Speaker 2: the University of Maryland Medical Systems, hospitals and clinics. So
Speaker 2: this is like where the future doctors go to train,
Speaker 2: and this guy is just running his little game there
Speaker 2: on everybody. The plaintiffs who are currently filing this lawsuit
Speaker 2: are requesting a jury trial, so to make all of
Speaker 2: this come to light. I do not know how much, guys.
Speaker 2: Maybe I don't know how. If there is a trial
Speaker 2: like this, it will officially be on record all of
Speaker 2: the evidence that gets presented, I believe, But I don't
Speaker 2: know if it's the same way if it's a class
Speaker 2: action suit versus a trial by jury. I just don't
Speaker 2: know how the evidence actually becomes public or not.
Speaker 3: I believe. I believe aspects of it have to become public.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, MLK everything became public.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's the most notable exception in this country. In
Speaker 3: legal beagles clarify this for us, the most notable exception
Speaker 3: in this country is going to be cases that touch
Speaker 3: on collection methods or now national security stuff, like the
Speaker 3: FBI knows you're guilty, but they can't tell you how.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And the thing I want to leave you with here,
Speaker 2: everybody is that this kind of thing is not happening
Speaker 2: everywhere at all times.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 2: This is a very rare instance of somebody like this
Speaker 2: just happening to exist. They're at the University of Maryland's
Speaker 2: medical system. It is weird to know that in twenty
Speaker 2: fifteen he was recognized as Preceptor of the Year or
Speaker 2: Instructor of the Year by the University of Maryland School
Speaker 2: of Pharmacy. So like he was given he was this
Speaker 2: accoladd held up instructor there, and meanwhile in the background,
Speaker 2: he's doing all this stuff once he gets home on
Speaker 2: his laptop, which is ikey, ikey, ikey.
Speaker 3: To the point about authority, right, an accolade. It's in
Speaker 3: hierarchical positioning.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you look at this guy. You probably even
Speaker 2: talked to this guy. He seems really great, I bet,
Speaker 2: but then turns his head and he's doing this stuff. Yuck. Okay,
Speaker 2: so there's other stuff we can talk about, but we'll
Speaker 2: leave that for another day. Just put this on your radar, everybody,
Speaker 2: lab grown human teeth. Just keep that on your radar. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's exciting news. All right, we'll be right back with
Speaker 2: more strange news.
Speaker 5: And we've returned and Ben teased it at the top.
Speaker 5: We're going to North Sentinel Island. But wait, no, don't
Speaker 5: go there. Don't go there. You're not supposed to go there.
Speaker 5: We heard a ways back about a missionary who attempted
Speaker 5: to make contact with the Sentinel Ease people. They made
Speaker 5: contact and they made contact right back in the form
Speaker 5: of arrows through his guts, and he did not make it.
Speaker 5: And that's indeed correct. One might argue, however misguided. His
Speaker 5: intentions were good, and I guess from his perspective he
Speaker 5: was going there to, in his mind, do the Lord's work,
Speaker 5: and you know what intentions are irrelevant there.
Speaker 4: It was a boneheaded idea and he paid the ultimate
Speaker 4: price for it.
Speaker 5: I guess I'm just putting in a slightly different category
Speaker 5: than what we're talking about today, which is going to
Speaker 5: North Sentinel Island for clout for Internet clicks. An American
Speaker 5: tourist has been arrested, has been detained for piloting an
Speaker 5: inflatable dinghy which is a word that I like, a
Speaker 5: little boat to the remote island of North Sentinel in
Speaker 5: the Indian Ocean. He presumably wanted to make a video
Speaker 5: for social media. The person's name is Mick Viktorovich Polyyakov,
Speaker 5: a twenty four year old internet TikToker YouTuber in the
Speaker 5: YouTuber he's a YouTuber.
Speaker 4: I have not checked out his stuff.
Speaker 5: Maybe I should might give a little bit of context
Speaker 5: to what this person was thinking. He came armed, not
Speaker 5: with weapons, minds you, but with a can of diet
Speaker 5: coke and a coconut, which is there's so many things
Speaker 5: wrong with that. The whole point of this law, you know,
Speaker 5: preventing people from setting foot onto North Central Island, is
Speaker 5: the idea of giving autonomy to indigenous people who have
Speaker 5: maintained their isolation from the rest of the world at large,
Speaker 5: who live a life free of technology, free of you know,
Speaker 5: a lot of the trappings that you or I certainly
Speaker 5: fall victim to, you know, and whatever. It's not a
Speaker 5: judgment call, it's just the facts. They do not have
Speaker 5: to deal with a lot of the thing that we do.
Speaker 5: They have a very specific way of life that has
Speaker 5: maintained the legacy of indigenous community is many of which,
Speaker 5: as we know, have been horribly changed by modern innovations,
Speaker 5: by capitalism, by colonialism, all of those things. So the
Speaker 5: idea that one could remain as it has been, I
Speaker 5: think is a noble thing.
Speaker 4: I don't know how you guys feel about that part
Speaker 4: of it.
Speaker 5: But the idea of going to this place and disrupting
Speaker 5: this a diet coke to me representing that kind of commercialism.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 5: It's almost like this person was doing a really elaborate troll.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I agree with that cinement, and I hope
Speaker 3: a lot of us are on the same patriar the
Speaker 3: crowd because we did. We did several episodes about this.
Speaker 3: Have long been fascinated with the mystery of North Sentinel Island.
Speaker 3: I think we all the way back gosh, early years,
Speaker 3: maybe twenty thirteen. Important to know to your point, know
Speaker 3: that the people living there, the community living on North
Speaker 3: Sentinel Island, has encountered quote unquote modern civilization, and inevitably
Speaker 3: in disastrous ways, like some of their children were kidnapped,
Speaker 3: diseases were transmitted to these people in the eighteen hundreds,
Speaker 3: So there are very real reasons from their perspective that
Speaker 3: they say no, they don't want to hang out with outsiders.
Speaker 3: And I am ninety eight percent convinced that just due
Speaker 3: to the way ocean currents and pollution work along the shore,
Speaker 3: they have probably encountered, you know, artifacts of modern civilization.
Speaker 4: Sure flotsam and or jetsam right.
Speaker 3: Right, jetsam seeing flots and floats right flo Yes, they
Speaker 3: found this and there must be you know, we all
Speaker 3: felt it when we were researching, recording, and talking with
Speaker 3: experts for our previous episodes on this there is a
Speaker 3: tantalizing aspect there for people to say, Oh, I'm the
Speaker 3: person who visited, whether I am bringing these people to
Speaker 3: my religion on some kind of holy mission, or whether
Speaker 3: I am, to your point, doing this for attention on
Speaker 3: the internet. And you need to realize, folks, the government
Speaker 3: of India, which sort of runs the overall affairs of
Speaker 3: North Sentinel Island, they have hard rules against approaching this place,
Speaker 3: and they haven't for reason because the North Sentinel Ease
Speaker 3: have what appears to be hard rules of their own,
Speaker 3: which is that all outsiders should be treated as an
Speaker 3: active threat.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, look, I have the flu right now. Guys,
Speaker 2: imagine if somebody who isn't showing symptoms but has the
Speaker 2: flu shows up on North Sentinel Island and actually greeted
Speaker 2: people and made contact and was close with them. Do
Speaker 2: you like what what happens?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: Does their small population have enough immunity to influenza of
Speaker 2: whatever strain that visitor has to like not all get
Speaker 2: crazy sick and potentially die.
Speaker 3: Oh That's exactly what I'm talking about, right, That's what happened.
Speaker 3: I just looked it up. January eighteen eighty expedition named
Speaker 3: Oh Wow, January eighteen eighty January March eighteen sixty seven.
Speaker 3: These things happened, and those diseases were transmitted just like
Speaker 3: your point, Noel, with uncontacted tribes, I would imagine in
Speaker 3: earlier in parts of South and Central America, disease riddled
Speaker 3: people because the folks simply weren't prepared. They had not
Speaker 3: developed the so called herd immunity. And Matt, I do
Speaker 3: thank you for spending tonight with us while you're recovering
Speaker 3: from the flu. But I also think you raise a
Speaker 3: fantastic point there. This really could happen that influencer, that
Speaker 3: missionary they could to mass point, had some kind of
Speaker 3: infection that they were not aware of that ordinarily would
Speaker 3: have just been a bad couple of weeks for them,
Speaker 3: and it could have killed innocent people just by being
Speaker 3: in the same air. Yeah.
Speaker 5: Indeed, and again you know, all of that being said,
Speaker 5: the idea of doing this for some sort of internet
Speaker 5: clout and bringing a can of diet coke and a
Speaker 5: coconut that it seems like inherently disrespectful just as a
Speaker 5: gesture like what it represents. So as you mentioned, been
Speaker 5: North Centinel Island is home to the Sentinel Eese, as
Speaker 5: a tribe believed to have between one hundred and three
Speaker 5: hundred people. They have lived in complete isolation and are
Speaker 5: known to defend their territory. And I imagine that some
Speaker 5: of the laws surrounding this in that part of the world,
Speaker 5: you know, from the Indian government, would consider their acts
Speaker 5: defending their shores as acts of self defense and therefore
Speaker 5: not you know, subject to prosecution. They were, they have,
Speaker 5: they've killed and were seen dragging the bodies of two
Speaker 5: fishermen who mistakenly washed ashore there.
Speaker 4: On the on the shores of North Sentinel Island.
Speaker 3: And the helicopters.
Speaker 5: That's right, And of course they did kill that missionary
Speaker 5: that you were mentioning as well, try as he might.
Speaker 5: Mikhailo Viktroviovich Viktrovovic, Yeah, that's right. Polyakoff did not make contact.
Speaker 5: He blew a whistle from his little boat when he
Speaker 5: came ashore, and when he was not greeted by any
Speaker 5: of the sentinels, he left those quote unquote offerings on
Speaker 5: the beach and took off, where he was then later apprehended.
Speaker 5: He is known for doing like travel vlogs, travel you know,
Speaker 5: videos and leaning toward the kind of dangerous.
Speaker 4: Side of those types of things.
Speaker 5: He referred to the can of diet coke and the
Speaker 5: coconut as gifts and as I said, he blew a
Speaker 5: whistle to a train attention. Local fishermen, however, did see him,
Speaker 5: and they were the ones who reported him to the police,
Speaker 5: so they must have some recourse for reaching out to
Speaker 5: the outside world. When we say local fishermen, we are
Speaker 5: talking about Centinalese fisherman.
Speaker 3: Correct, We're talking about people off the southern offshore India
Speaker 3: and other islands.
Speaker 4: The most seen him making.
Speaker 5: They must have seen him making his approach. That makes sense,
Speaker 5: thanks Ben. And he was detained and accused of illegally
Speaker 5: attempting to contact the Sentinalese. A local court this is
Speaker 5: from the ap last week sent him to a fourteen
Speaker 5: day judicial custody and he is set to appear in
Speaker 5: court on April seventeenth, which is actually tomorrow as we
Speaker 5: record this, So he could potentially get up to five
Speaker 5: years in prison as well as a hefty fine. Indian
Speaker 5: authorities have said that they informed the US embassy because
Speaker 5: he is from scotts Dale, Arizona. I don't think we
Speaker 5: mentioned that is of his father is of Ukrainian descent,
Speaker 5: but he is an American citizen, and they have informed
Speaker 5: the US embassy visitors are actually vanned from traveling within
Speaker 5: three miles of the ice, and this is due to
Speaker 5: the fact that they have more or less successfully maintained
Speaker 5: that isolation for the rest of the world for thousands
Speaker 5: of years. They do use bows and arrows and spears
Speaker 5: for hunting the animals that roam this island, which is
Speaker 5: heavily forested, and they are able to maintain that self reliance.
Speaker 5: A couple of perspectives that I thought were worth mentioning
Speaker 5: from an Economic Times report on the case. One comes
Speaker 5: from Carolina Pierce from the Survival International charity group, saying,
Speaker 5: this is I think a UK organization. It beggars belief
Speaker 5: that someone could be that reckless and idiotic. This person's
Speaker 5: actions not only endangered his own life, but they also
Speaker 5: put lives of the entire Sentinelese tribe at risk. To
Speaker 5: y'all's point about the spread of disease, and I don't know.
Speaker 5: This to me is just it's such an interesting intersection
Speaker 5: of like the gross consumerism and look at me asm
Speaker 5: of kind of American TikTok and YouTube culture completely clashing
Speaker 5: with a part of the world and a people whose
Speaker 5: whole existence is antithetical to all of that.
Speaker 4: So I would just.
Speaker 5: Say leave the Sentinelesee the hell alone and stop chasing
Speaker 5: cloud at the expense of others.
Speaker 3: If someone tells you they don't want you to go
Speaker 3: to their party, then you know, don't This is We
Speaker 3: know also from the Sentinelese perspective that they've repeatedly had
Speaker 3: disastrous interactions with outsiders, and we can lay a lot
Speaker 3: of that at the feet of again the British when
Speaker 3: they abducted six innocent people from a tribe. I think
Speaker 3: right now, the current the current like satellite intel and
Speaker 3: the current research suggests this is.
Speaker 4: So.
Speaker 3: This is an island about the size of Manhattan. There
Speaker 3: are roughly three loose groups, but they're all continually going
Speaker 3: to be in contact. So again, these folks who, doubtlessly
Speaker 3: because they're human, they have rich oral history, They have traditions, right,
Speaker 3: they have a collective memory of things that happened before,
Speaker 3: so they they know and they have probably grown up
Speaker 3: being taught that communication with these outsiders, whatever the word
Speaker 3: for those outsiders may be, is catastrophic. And you can't
Speaker 3: really blame.
Speaker 4: Them, you know, you certainly can.
Speaker 5: The police issued a statement saying that his actions posed
Speaker 5: a serious threat to the safety and well being of
Speaker 5: the Sentinel Theese people, whose contact with outsiders are strictly
Speaker 5: prohibited by law to protect their indigenous way of life.
Speaker 5: New York Times reported on this, saying the police said,
Speaker 5: or rather, let me give you the person's name by
Speaker 5: Christine Hauser and Harry Kumar, and they paraphrased a subsequent
Speaker 5: part of the statements, thusly saying the police said during
Speaker 5: their questioning of mister Polykov, he disclosed that he was
Speaker 5: drawn to the island out of a quote passion for
Speaker 5: a venture and his desire to undertake extreme challenges. Officials
Speaker 5: said that his go pro footage suggested entry into the island,
Speaker 5: and that he used GPS navigation throughout his voyage.
Speaker 3: Then just go to Myanmar, you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: show over the border into DPRK. Those are both in
Speaker 3: the regional neighborhood.
Speaker 2: May might I suggest to any adventurous young tuber out
Speaker 2: there South Sentinel Island, why not visit Lee Sunny South
Speaker 2: Sentinel Island. It's much smaller, but at the right angle
Speaker 2: it would look almost exactly like North Sentinel Island. Why
Speaker 2: not get some footage there and then just tell everybody
Speaker 2: went to the other place. It'll be fine.
Speaker 3: What could go wrong about lying to millions of people?
Speaker 3: Could you could?
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I like that idea because you can visit South Sentinel Island.
Speaker 3: That's the thing we discussed in the past as well.
Speaker 3: And there's actually there's been some great research in previous
Speaker 3: years about kind of figuring out the language of North
Speaker 3: Sentinel Island, like to the people in South Sentinel Island
Speaker 3: speak a mutually intelligible tongue, and if so, could that
Speaker 3: be a way to communicate with people safely?
Speaker 2: It's are there people who live in South Center? It's
Speaker 2: just super tiny, That's all I know.
Speaker 3: I did just finally, I am thinking of Andeman's or
Speaker 3: Nico bar totally.
Speaker 5: I did just finally find his YouTube channel, which only
Speaker 5: has three point two four k subscribers. He's got nineteen
Speaker 5: videos and the name of the YouTube channel is in
Speaker 5: itself a little problematic Neo orientalist past growth not good,
Speaker 5: and there are videos of him entering Taliban controlled parts
Speaker 5: of Afghanistan. Honestly, that seems to be mostly what is
Speaker 5: on here? There aren't that many videos, so I guess
Speaker 5: this guy's just getting started. But uh, sorry, buddy, looks
Speaker 5: like the kaibash has been put on your youtubing days. Yeah,
Speaker 5: and looking at these videos all very again, look at
Speaker 5: me kind of like benefiting from difficult situations in other
Speaker 5: parts of the world. There's one where he's actually, like
Speaker 5: very glibly eating a soft served ice cream cone, you know,
Speaker 5: while roaming Taliban controlled Afghanistan. It just feels very dismissive
Speaker 5: and gross, like here, look at me, I'm getting a
Speaker 5: haircut in Afghanistan.
Speaker 4: Wow. Agreed. Not good?
Speaker 5: Not good guy. I think he had this coming. Frankly, yeah,
Speaker 5: might didn't get killed, but I think this punishment.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 5: I hope he doesn't get five years in prison, but
Speaker 5: I hope this makes him rethink this kind of Shenanigan ring.
Speaker 3: There is a non zero chance, Noel, that the next
Speaker 3: video will be how I survived prison in India.
Speaker 4: Hmm, fair enough, that's true.
Speaker 5: And honestly, he's getting more attention from this than he
Speaker 5: ever got before. Three point two thousand subscribers ain't a lot,
Speaker 5: So there you go.
Speaker 4: Maybe we're part of the problem.
Speaker 3: But there is another deeper look at some of the
Speaker 3: things we brought up. In addition to our episodes on
Speaker 3: North Sentinel Island, we had a great interview segment with
Speaker 3: the journalist Rajiev Gola remember this from back in the
Speaker 3: day his series The Missionary, which touches on the show
Speaker 3: case as well.
Speaker 4: Totally forgot about that. Excellent Jeeves doing well.
Speaker 3: He's building his own motorcycle from the ground up. I
Speaker 3: still talk to the guy. Yeah, he's super cool. So
Speaker 3: do check out Do check out his program if you'd
Speaker 3: like to learn more about this. And I appreciate you
Speaker 3: bringing this up because it is mission critical for people
Speaker 3: to realize there are reasons for rules like this, and
Speaker 3: we've examined them in previous episodes, like oh the places
Speaker 3: you can't go in secret or closed off towns. But
Speaker 3: often you have to be really careful with the so
Speaker 3: called adventure tourism or dark tourism. You have to wonder
Speaker 3: about the consequences of your actions or your as you
Speaker 3: as you put it, look at meism's.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that's all the podcast ink we're gonna
Speaker 5: spill over this fellow. I do hope that he's okay
Speaker 5: and that everything ends up all right for him, and
Speaker 5: that this is an educational experience rather than like an
Speaker 5: opportunity to double down.
Speaker 4: But you know what, not holding out hope on that one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, people can evolve. It's and and we've hit
Speaker 3: a lot of deep water here today, folks. We can't
Speaker 3: wait to hear your thoughts. Perhaps you will join us
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Speaker 3: ongoing disturbing what I do think is a harbinger situation
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