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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 2: Hello, and welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,

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Speaker 3: They called me Ben. We're joined as always with our

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Speaker 3: super producer Dylan the Tennessee pal Fagan. Most importantly, you

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Speaker 3: are you. You are here. That makes this the stuff

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Speaker 3: some strange news. So if you are tuning in to

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Speaker 3: our weekly strange news segment, let us be the first

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Speaker 3: to welcome you to April twenty first, twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 3: Hope everybody had a happy passover, happy Easter. When was Easter?

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Speaker 4: Does here have like a data associated with Thanksgiving?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: It moves around, Yeah it moves around.

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Speaker 2: Couldn't tell you if it hasn't happened yet. Happens in

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Speaker 5: So Jesus is rising. Dat as movable is what we're

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Speaker 3: So Easter has happened by the time this publishes, and

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Speaker 3: you're all joining us. We couldn't be happier that you're here.

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Speaker 3: We did receive we did receive some letters, and some

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Speaker 3: place of Strange News. Everything's fine. We just get in

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Speaker 4: And I had a personal family crisis.

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Speaker 5: So yeah, that's it. That's the adventures I'm talking about, Buddy.

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Speaker 3: And I don't take questions, but everything is fully, Everything

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Speaker 5: I appreciate the flex ability, y'all, and hope you didn't

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Speaker 5: miss us too badly. But we were there in some form,

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Speaker 5: and now we're going to come to you with extra

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Speaker 4: We're excited about.

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Speaker 3: It, and we are going to explore some things that

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Speaker 3: have written about. We'll do that both in this Strange

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Speaker 3: News program and in our weekly listener mail segment. Tune

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Speaker 3: in this Thursday. First things first, Yes, we're not going

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Speaker 3: to spend too much time on it. You saw the

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Speaker 3: news about dire wolves. They're not really dire wolves. They're

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Speaker 3: the wooly mice thing we talked about earlier. So don't

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Speaker 3: let the POPSI News mislead you. It is a phenomenal breakthrough.

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Speaker 3: It is not a dire wolf. Dire wolves are actually

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Speaker 3: way less closely related to modern wolves. Then you may think,

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Speaker 5: Quick though, ben yees, are dire wolves is a thing

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Speaker 5: like I thought that was made up? Okay, I did

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Speaker 5: not clock that. Could you maybe shared with the class

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Speaker 5: Maybe maybe a lot of folks that know the dire

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Speaker 3: Right, let's go to real quick. Then let's go to

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Speaker 3: a great breakdown from Michael Lapage writing for New Scientists.

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Speaker 3: The title is no, the dire wolf has not been

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Speaker 3: named Colossal Biosciences. Recently they created I think created, it's

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Speaker 3: The dire wolf has been gone for more than ten

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Speaker 3: It may harm local ecosystems because it's a new apex predator. Essentially,

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Speaker 3: the dire wolf has again, it's been extinct. It was

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Speaker 5: Well, color me educated, because I thought it was just

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Speaker 3: we're doing crowd work, guys, Does anybody in the crowd

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Speaker 3: tonight have a solution for recycling astronaut poop on the moon?

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Speaker 2: Oh wow, that was a good idea. Sorry, we were

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Speaker 2: to we talked about this before about blood, Like, what

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Speaker 2: We make bricks out of that poop poop, guys.

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Speaker 3: human feces, urine and vomit. Apollo astronauts left that behind

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Speaker 3: If you can figure out how to recycle this stuff,

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Speaker 2: Of low, right, I mean for some poopoo, it seems

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Speaker 3: and while you're while you're collecting those ideas, please remember

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Speaker 3: to dive into North Sentinel Island, a thing that's always

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Speaker 3: becoming increasingly a dicey proposition. We've returned Dylan. If we

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Speaker 3: Matt Noel. The United States, as we mentioned in a

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Speaker 5: I guess the big starting point for me is the

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Speaker 3: Right, and that's the Terrorist Confinement Center or abbreviated as

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Speaker 3: SEACOT in Spanish. It's a max prison, like we're talking

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Speaker 3: He was mistakenly deported on March fifteenth, twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 3: this is a conspiratorial idea that has not been said once.

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Speaker 3: It has been reiterated as a matter of fact. We're

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Speaker 3: recording on Wednesday, April sixteenth, twenty twenty five. On Monday

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Speaker 3: And the Supreme Court has ordered the administration to quote

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Speaker 3: The ice agents said yep, this is not the guy

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Speaker 5: No, I mean it's really scary, and like you said,

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Speaker 3: Again, quick pro quo. President Harbinger's tell us what you think,

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Speaker 2: And we've returned. I would argue that most things are

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Speaker 4: It's no joke.

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Speaker 5: Can I also just say that I think it's funny

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Speaker 5: It's just funny, like it's very similar to the trading

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Speaker 2: It's also not Steve. That's not Steve.

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Speaker 3: It's not it's a different it's the mythos the Middle

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Speaker 2: Oh that's amazing. Okay, so they have.

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Speaker 2: Either way, have you seen the Divorced Dads trading cards.

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Speaker 3: Anyway, I still got to get those Japanese magic cards

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Speaker 5: You when you tap the card, does that mean you

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Speaker 2: here we go, guys, this is a story that has

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Speaker 2: Yes, but it's still it includes some of the most

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Speaker 2: It's a class action lawsuit by six women. It was

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Speaker 2: and having sex with her husband like again watching the

440
00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:20,760
Speaker 2: webcam in her house from wherever he is. He is

441
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:24,120
Speaker 2: accused of disabling the camera lights inside the other women's

442
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:28,240
Speaker 2: homes to secretly record videos of the women and their children,

443
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:30,679
Speaker 2: of hacking into the cloud account of another plaintiff to

444
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:34,240
Speaker 2: see her personal photos, her driver's license, passport, and credit

445
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:38,400
Speaker 2: card information. So before we continue on.

446
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Speaker 3: Thoughts, ew uh yeah, abhorrent, unclean. Clearly this is not

447
00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:52,639
Speaker 3: just about sexual exploitation, but it's about control and violation

448
00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:59,439
Speaker 3: of people's boundaries. The fact that this guy, I know

449
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 3: you'll want to mention, yet the fact that this guy

450
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 3: is most likely acting alone Matt is perhaps one of

451
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:11,720
Speaker 3: the equally disturbing things about this because the Interroom case

452
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:17,879
Speaker 3: was a national scandal doing similar and perhaps even more

453
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:23,479
Speaker 3: evil things throughout South Korea. But this, this sounds so

454
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:26,240
Speaker 3: tell me if I'm on the mark here. This sounds

455
00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:31,159
Speaker 3: like a single actor in a position of some authority,

456
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:37,160
Speaker 3: leveraging that to deeply invade the lives of innocent people.

457
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Speaker 2: Yes, and it also gets into student teacher relationships stuff

458
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 2: and we're gonna we're gonna say his name now.

459
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:47,680
Speaker 4: Okay.

460
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:51,640
Speaker 2: This is a quote from the attorney Steve Kelly, who

461
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 2: is representing the six plaintiffs in the current class action suit. Quote.

462
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:59,920
Speaker 2: For nearly a decade, a single pharmacist named Matthew Bathula

463
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:04,160
Speaker 2: installed spyware on at least four hundred computers in clinics,

464
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 2: treatment rooms, labs, and a variety of other locations at

465
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Speaker 2: one of the nation's premier teaching hospitals.

466
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Speaker 3: And that's Bathula, Batula.

467
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 2: That is correct. If you wish to look it up again,

468
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:20,600
Speaker 2: you will find everybody in the local vicinity talking about this.

469
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:24,360
Speaker 2: Tim the writer of this article, notes around this part

470
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 2: of the article that state and federal court records show

471
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Speaker 2: that Bethulah has not been charged with a crime at

472
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Speaker 2: this point. So these are allegations. Everything we're talking about

473
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:37,640
Speaker 2: here are allegations brought forth in a class action lawsuit,

474
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Speaker 2: not a criminal suit like a trial by jury situation.

475
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Speaker 2: The University of Maryland Medical System officials, according to Tim,

476
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:49,320
Speaker 2: have been working with the FBI and federal prosecutors for

477
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:52,960
Speaker 2: the past several months as part of an ongoing criminal investigation.

478
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:55,720
Speaker 2: So it is an investigation. It just isn't at the

479
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 2: part yet where they file charges right the state prosecutor

480
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:00,320
Speaker 2: or somebody.

481
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:01,800
Speaker 3: And can't comment publicly.

482
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 2: As a result, they will not neither will the FBI.

483
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:07,240
Speaker 2: So none of the authorities are talking about it. But

484
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 2: since there is a class action lawsuit and statements are

485
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:13,480
Speaker 2: being made, stuff is being filed, we know about it.

486
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 4: Right.

487
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:18,320
Speaker 2: Here is where it gets pretty crazy, because the class

488
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:22,240
Speaker 2: action lawsuit is actually against the hospital, the medical center itself,

489
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:26,160
Speaker 2: because the plaintiffs say that essentially they were unaware that

490
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 2: this is what was happening, and they were so they

491
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:31,719
Speaker 2: were not told that this is what's happening. You know,

492
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 2: our privacy is being invaded by a single creeper, and

493
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 2: they were not told, hey, here's how to protect yourself

494
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 2: the They just were in the dark basically for a

495
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 2: long time. Because, according to the lawsuit, the University of

496
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Speaker 2: Maryland Medical Center in Baltimore alerted employees in October of guys, quote,

497
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Speaker 2: a serious it incident. Right, there's been a serious incident.

498
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 5: More than that, a bit more than just let's turn

499
00:29:58,400 --> 00:29:59,600
Speaker 5: it off and back on again.

500
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Speaker 3: It's incredibly vague language.

501
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:04,959
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, so let's talk about that. They send an

502
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 2: email out to employees, and they said they described this

503
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 2: event as quote a highly sophisticated and very difficult to

504
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 2: detect cyber attack that has resulted in the theft of

505
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:21,000
Speaker 2: data from shared UMMS computers, which is true, right, yes,

506
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 2: but the theft of data, like what is that data?

507
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 3: It's a implication.

508
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:30,560
Speaker 5: The other very vague phrase, the implication being that we've

509
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:35,240
Speaker 5: got this under control. This was our proprietary data. No

510
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:40,160
Speaker 5: indication of individuals being targeted or individuals being violated, like

511
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:42,440
Speaker 5: the idea is that. Okay, good to know, Glad you

512
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 5: guys sorted it out. But absolutely no indication that someone

513
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 5: might need to be concerned about videos of them floating

514
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 5: out on the way.

515
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:55,000
Speaker 3: Also, no specific next steps, No like freach your credit report,

516
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 3: something that would let you, you know, give you a

517
00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 3: sense of the type of content being being compromised here,

518
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 3: No specific it looks I'm reading a couple other sources

519
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 3: here as well, Matt. No specific at the time. Declarations

520
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:15,960
Speaker 3: of everybody bring your work computer.

521
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:19,800
Speaker 5: In it, you know, arguably intentionally misleading, which I'm sure

522
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 5: is at the heart of the suit.

523
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 3: Intentionally vague.

524
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 2: But listen, listen to this, guys. Okay, So the Allegations

525
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 2: in this suit state that doctor Bethula went into individual

526
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 2: rooms using his like his credentials to get into specific

527
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 2: rooms in the hospital. A lot of it, a lot

528
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 2: of them are key carded. I'm imagined, just because I'm

529
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 2: watching Severance, I'm imagining the Severance employees putting their cards

530
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 2: into different things, and you would know, oh, it's logged

531
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 2: that this doctor went for that room or whatever. In

532
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 2: this case, he was going into individual rooms and installing

533
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 2: keyloggers on all of the machines.

534
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 3: Dude, but he was doing it. Maybe he was targeting

535
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 3: a few people, but it sounds like at some point

536
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 3: in the operation here, he just started going to everyone

537
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 3: he could find.

538
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, he wanted everyone. Again. It's that control thing, right,

539
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 2: I want to know what everyone is saying about everything

540
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 2: at all times and doing and all that stuff. It's

541
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 2: it's insane power trip stuff, and it's hard to describe.

542
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 2: It's hard to understand. You'd think something this serious if

543
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 2: it were real, if it was happening, if you found

544
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 2: out it's happening, as the employers of this person, you

545
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:38,719
Speaker 2: would take some pretty heavy action against them, against the person.

546
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 2: What they did was they put him on administrative leave.

547
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 2: Then they fired him, but they did not mention any

548
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:48,240
Speaker 2: of this happening. When he went to take another job

549
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 2: at another medical institution, she saw that where he currently

550
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 2: is and is employed in another place. And again we

551
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 2: have said his name here. So it is difficult. It's

552
00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 2: a tough thing. Right, he is accused of the things.

553
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 2: He has not been charged with these things. So you

554
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 2: have to leave a little bit I don't know. We

555
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 2: have to be at least a little bit objective and

556
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 2: say these are accusations. But at the same time, to

557
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 2: have six different individuals come forward to make a class

558
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 2: action lawsuit, it does feel like there's some sand to this.

559
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 3: And to have the FBI involved, you know, they don't

560
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 3: waste a ton of time. We know that I read

561
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 3: in Campus Safety, I read that attorney's representing the current

562
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 3: plaintiffs say there may be as many as eighty additional victims.

563
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:39,479
Speaker 3: So ye, this feels like the beginning of a larger

564
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 3: heroin story.

565
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 2: And that's an unknown that's a statement coming from the

566
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:49,719
Speaker 2: folks filing the lawsuit, right, but still it gives you pause.

567
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 2: They just said we don't know the scope. That's one

568
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 2: of the other attorneys, Cindy B. Morgan.

569
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 3: But they did ultimately replace those compromise computers.

570
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:02,600
Speaker 2: At the very least, right, Yeah, they replaced all the computers. Yeah,

571
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 2: because you kind of just have to because now you're

572
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 2: unsure what has what on it and what are you

573
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 2: going to do, Like he compromised specific workstations as well

574
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 2: as ones that are specifically used for cameras, you know,

575
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:19,799
Speaker 2: and most of them have cameras installed in them anyway nowadays, right.

576
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 3: And honestly it's pretty sophisticated. Yeah, no, and not being sarcastic.

577
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 3: It's like controlling the cameras, turning off camera lights, things

578
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 3: like that are not your run of the mill script

579
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 3: kitty kind of stuff.

580
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure, No, for sure.

581
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 4: Yeah.

582
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:41,840
Speaker 2: Let's see, let's just read a little bit more of

583
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:43,359
Speaker 2: this and then we'll move on to the next thing.

584
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 2: But here's a last quote here from Tim. The medical

585
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:49,960
Speaker 2: center where Bethula worked serves as the academic campus of

586
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:54,399
Speaker 2: the University of Maryland Medical Systems, hospitals and clinics. So

587
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:58,480
Speaker 2: this is like where the future doctors go to train,

588
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 2: and this guy is just running his little game there

589
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:07,320
Speaker 2: on everybody. The plaintiffs who are currently filing this lawsuit

590
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 2: are requesting a jury trial, so to make all of

591
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:14,440
Speaker 2: this come to light. I do not know how much, guys.

592
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 2: Maybe I don't know how. If there is a trial

593
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 2: like this, it will officially be on record all of

594
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:25,879
Speaker 2: the evidence that gets presented, I believe, But I don't

595
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 2: know if it's the same way if it's a class

596
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:31,759
Speaker 2: action suit versus a trial by jury. I just don't

597
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:33,799
Speaker 2: know how the evidence actually becomes public or not.

598
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 3: I believe. I believe aspects of it have to become public.

599
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:44,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, MLK everything became public.

600
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:49,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's the most notable exception in this country. In

601
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:53,800
Speaker 3: legal beagles clarify this for us, the most notable exception

602
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:57,719
Speaker 3: in this country is going to be cases that touch

603
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 3: on collection methods or now national security stuff, like the

604
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 3: FBI knows you're guilty, but they can't tell you how.

605
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:08,279
Speaker 2: Yeah. And the thing I want to leave you with here,

606
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 2: everybody is that this kind of thing is not happening

607
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 2: everywhere at all times.

608
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:12,799
Speaker 4: Right.

609
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 2: This is a very rare instance of somebody like this

610
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 2: just happening to exist. They're at the University of Maryland's

611
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:29,920
Speaker 2: medical system. It is weird to know that in twenty

612
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:34,400
Speaker 2: fifteen he was recognized as Preceptor of the Year or

613
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 2: Instructor of the Year by the University of Maryland School

614
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:40,360
Speaker 2: of Pharmacy. So like he was given he was this

615
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 2: accoladd held up instructor there, and meanwhile in the background,

616
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:49,239
Speaker 2: he's doing all this stuff once he gets home on

617
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 2: his laptop, which is ikey, ikey, ikey.

618
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:56,840
Speaker 3: To the point about authority, right, an accolade. It's in

619
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:58,480
Speaker 3: hierarchical positioning.

620
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:00,879
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you look at this guy. You probably even

621
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 2: talked to this guy. He seems really great, I bet,

622
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 2: but then turns his head and he's doing this stuff. Yuck. Okay,

623
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:10,839
Speaker 2: so there's other stuff we can talk about, but we'll

624
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 2: leave that for another day. Just put this on your radar, everybody,

625
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 2: lab grown human teeth. Just keep that on your radar. Yeah,

626
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 2: it's exciting news. All right, we'll be right back with

627
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 2: more strange news.

628
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:34,239
Speaker 5: And we've returned and Ben teased it at the top.

629
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 5: We're going to North Sentinel Island. But wait, no, don't

630
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:40,840
Speaker 5: go there. Don't go there. You're not supposed to go there.

631
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:46,400
Speaker 5: We heard a ways back about a missionary who attempted

632
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 5: to make contact with the Sentinel Ease people. They made

633
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 5: contact and they made contact right back in the form

634
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:58,879
Speaker 5: of arrows through his guts, and he did not make it.

635
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:09,239
Speaker 5: And that's indeed correct. One might argue, however misguided. His

636
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:13,279
Speaker 5: intentions were good, and I guess from his perspective he

637
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:16,279
Speaker 5: was going there to, in his mind, do the Lord's work,

638
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:20,239
Speaker 5: and you know what intentions are irrelevant there.

639
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:23,240
Speaker 4: It was a boneheaded idea and he paid the ultimate

640
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 4: price for it.

641
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:26,840
Speaker 5: I guess I'm just putting in a slightly different category

642
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:29,920
Speaker 5: than what we're talking about today, which is going to

643
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 5: North Sentinel Island for clout for Internet clicks. An American

644
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:41,319
Speaker 5: tourist has been arrested, has been detained for piloting an

645
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 5: inflatable dinghy which is a word that I like, a

646
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 5: little boat to the remote island of North Sentinel in

647
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:55,360
Speaker 5: the Indian Ocean. He presumably wanted to make a video

648
00:38:55,960 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 5: for social media. The person's name is Mick Viktorovich Polyyakov,

649
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 5: a twenty four year old internet TikToker YouTuber in the

650
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 5: YouTuber he's a YouTuber.

651
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:11,960
Speaker 4: I have not checked out his stuff.

652
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 5: Maybe I should might give a little bit of context

653
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 5: to what this person was thinking. He came armed, not

654
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 5: with weapons, minds you, but with a can of diet

655
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 5: coke and a coconut, which is there's so many things

656
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:32,520
Speaker 5: wrong with that. The whole point of this law, you know,

657
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:35,719
Speaker 5: preventing people from setting foot onto North Central Island, is

658
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:40,560
Speaker 5: the idea of giving autonomy to indigenous people who have

659
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 5: maintained their isolation from the rest of the world at large,

660
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:49,879
Speaker 5: who live a life free of technology, free of you know,

661
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 5: a lot of the trappings that you or I certainly

662
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:56,759
Speaker 5: fall victim to, you know, and whatever. It's not a

663
00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 5: judgment call, it's just the facts. They do not have

664
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 5: to deal with a lot of the thing that we do.

665
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:03,879
Speaker 5: They have a very specific way of life that has

666
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:09,239
Speaker 5: maintained the legacy of indigenous community is many of which,

667
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 5: as we know, have been horribly changed by modern innovations,

668
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:18,319
Speaker 5: by capitalism, by colonialism, all of those things. So the

669
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:22,719
Speaker 5: idea that one could remain as it has been, I

670
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 5: think is a noble thing.

671
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:26,759
Speaker 4: I don't know how you guys feel about that part

672
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 4: of it.

673
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:30,319
Speaker 5: But the idea of going to this place and disrupting

674
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 5: this a diet coke to me representing that kind of commercialism.

675
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 4: You know.

676
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:39,720
Speaker 5: It's almost like this person was doing a really elaborate troll.

677
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:43,799
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I agree with that cinement, and I hope

678
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:46,799
Speaker 3: a lot of us are on the same patriar the

679
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 3: crowd because we did. We did several episodes about this.

680
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 3: Have long been fascinated with the mystery of North Sentinel Island.

681
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:57,479
Speaker 3: I think we all the way back gosh, early years,

682
00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 3: maybe twenty thirteen. Important to know to your point, know

683
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 3: that the people living there, the community living on North

684
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:13,359
Speaker 3: Sentinel Island, has encountered quote unquote modern civilization, and inevitably

685
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 3: in disastrous ways, like some of their children were kidnapped,

686
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:21,400
Speaker 3: diseases were transmitted to these people in the eighteen hundreds,

687
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:25,279
Speaker 3: So there are very real reasons from their perspective that

688
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:28,319
Speaker 3: they say no, they don't want to hang out with outsiders.

689
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 3: And I am ninety eight percent convinced that just due

690
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 3: to the way ocean currents and pollution work along the shore,

691
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:41,279
Speaker 3: they have probably encountered, you know, artifacts of modern civilization.

692
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 4: Sure flotsam and or jetsam right.

693
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 3: Right, jetsam seeing flots and floats right flo Yes, they

694
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 3: found this and there must be you know, we all

695
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 3: felt it when we were researching, recording, and talking with

696
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:01,359
Speaker 3: experts for our previous episodes on this there is a

697
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 3: tantalizing aspect there for people to say, Oh, I'm the

698
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:10,319
Speaker 3: person who visited, whether I am bringing these people to

699
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 3: my religion on some kind of holy mission, or whether

700
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 3: I am, to your point, doing this for attention on

701
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 3: the internet. And you need to realize, folks, the government

702
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:25,920
Speaker 3: of India, which sort of runs the overall affairs of

703
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:31,880
Speaker 3: North Sentinel Island, they have hard rules against approaching this place,

704
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 3: and they haven't for reason because the North Sentinel Ease

705
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:39,319
Speaker 3: have what appears to be hard rules of their own,

706
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 3: which is that all outsiders should be treated as an

707
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:42,840
Speaker 3: active threat.

708
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 4: Yeah.

709
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, look, I have the flu right now. Guys,

710
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:51,360
Speaker 2: imagine if somebody who isn't showing symptoms but has the

711
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:55,920
Speaker 2: flu shows up on North Sentinel Island and actually greeted

712
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:59,400
Speaker 2: people and made contact and was close with them. Do

713
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:00,920
Speaker 2: you like what what happens?

714
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:01,279
Speaker 3: Right?

715
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:07,279
Speaker 2: Does their small population have enough immunity to influenza of

716
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:10,879
Speaker 2: whatever strain that visitor has to like not all get

717
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 2: crazy sick and potentially die.

718
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 3: Oh That's exactly what I'm talking about, right, That's what happened.

719
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:20,240
Speaker 3: I just looked it up. January eighteen eighty expedition named

720
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 3: Oh Wow, January eighteen eighty January March eighteen sixty seven.

721
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 3: These things happened, and those diseases were transmitted just like

722
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 3: your point, Noel, with uncontacted tribes, I would imagine in

723
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 3: earlier in parts of South and Central America, disease riddled

724
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:43,480
Speaker 3: people because the folks simply weren't prepared. They had not

725
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:47,840
Speaker 3: developed the so called herd immunity. And Matt, I do

726
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 3: thank you for spending tonight with us while you're recovering

727
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:54,920
Speaker 3: from the flu. But I also think you raise a

728
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 3: fantastic point there. This really could happen that influencer, that

729
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 3: missionary they could to mass point, had some kind of

730
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:05,919
Speaker 3: infection that they were not aware of that ordinarily would

731
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:07,719
Speaker 3: have just been a bad couple of weeks for them,

732
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 3: and it could have killed innocent people just by being

733
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:12,759
Speaker 3: in the same air. Yeah.

734
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Speaker 5: Indeed, and again you know, all of that being said,

735
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:18,280
Speaker 5: the idea of doing this for some sort of internet

736
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 5: clout and bringing a can of diet coke and a

737
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 5: coconut that it seems like inherently disrespectful just as a

738
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 5: gesture like what it represents. So as you mentioned, been

739
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 5: North Centinel Island is home to the Sentinel Eese, as

740
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:33,480
Speaker 5: a tribe believed to have between one hundred and three

741
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 5: hundred people. They have lived in complete isolation and are

742
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 5: known to defend their territory. And I imagine that some

743
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:46,240
Speaker 5: of the laws surrounding this in that part of the world,

744
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 5: you know, from the Indian government, would consider their acts

745
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 5: defending their shores as acts of self defense and therefore

746
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:59,880
Speaker 5: not you know, subject to prosecution. They were, they have,

747
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 5: they've killed and were seen dragging the bodies of two

748
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 5: fishermen who mistakenly washed ashore there.

749
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:08,960
Speaker 4: On the on the shores of North Sentinel Island.

750
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 3: And the helicopters.

751
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 5: That's right, And of course they did kill that missionary

752
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 5: that you were mentioning as well, try as he might.

753
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:26,239
Speaker 5: Mikhailo Viktroviovich Viktrovovic, Yeah, that's right. Polyakoff did not make contact.

754
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:29,600
Speaker 5: He blew a whistle from his little boat when he

755
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:33,760
Speaker 5: came ashore, and when he was not greeted by any

756
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:38,440
Speaker 5: of the sentinels, he left those quote unquote offerings on

757
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 5: the beach and took off, where he was then later apprehended.

758
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:47,920
Speaker 5: He is known for doing like travel vlogs, travel you know,

759
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 5: videos and leaning toward the kind of dangerous.

760
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 4: Side of those types of things.

761
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:55,960
Speaker 5: He referred to the can of diet coke and the

762
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:58,880
Speaker 5: coconut as gifts and as I said, he blew a

763
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 5: whistle to a train attention. Local fishermen, however, did see him,

764
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 5: and they were the ones who reported him to the police,

765
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 5: so they must have some recourse for reaching out to

766
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:13,359
Speaker 5: the outside world. When we say local fishermen, we are

767
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:15,680
Speaker 5: talking about Centinalese fisherman.

768
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 3: Correct, We're talking about people off the southern offshore India

769
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:24,240
Speaker 3: and other islands.

770
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:26,319
Speaker 4: The most seen him making.

771
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 5: They must have seen him making his approach. That makes sense,

772
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:34,839
Speaker 5: thanks Ben. And he was detained and accused of illegally

773
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 5: attempting to contact the Sentinalese. A local court this is

774
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 5: from the ap last week sent him to a fourteen

775
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:46,400
Speaker 5: day judicial custody and he is set to appear in

776
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:49,920
Speaker 5: court on April seventeenth, which is actually tomorrow as we

777
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 5: record this, So he could potentially get up to five

778
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:56,200
Speaker 5: years in prison as well as a hefty fine. Indian

779
00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:59,480
Speaker 5: authorities have said that they informed the US embassy because

780
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 5: he is from scotts Dale, Arizona. I don't think we

781
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:05,480
Speaker 5: mentioned that is of his father is of Ukrainian descent,

782
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 5: but he is an American citizen, and they have informed

783
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 5: the US embassy visitors are actually vanned from traveling within

784
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 5: three miles of the ice, and this is due to

785
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:23,120
Speaker 5: the fact that they have more or less successfully maintained

786
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:25,440
Speaker 5: that isolation for the rest of the world for thousands

787
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 5: of years. They do use bows and arrows and spears

788
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:32,960
Speaker 5: for hunting the animals that roam this island, which is

789
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:36,880
Speaker 5: heavily forested, and they are able to maintain that self reliance.

790
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 5: A couple of perspectives that I thought were worth mentioning

791
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:43,920
Speaker 5: from an Economic Times report on the case. One comes

792
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:49,280
Speaker 5: from Carolina Pierce from the Survival International charity group, saying,

793
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:53,400
Speaker 5: this is I think a UK organization. It beggars belief

794
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:56,800
Speaker 5: that someone could be that reckless and idiotic. This person's

795
00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:59,759
Speaker 5: actions not only endangered his own life, but they also

796
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:02,440
Speaker 5: put lives of the entire Sentinelese tribe at risk. To

797
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:06,360
Speaker 5: y'all's point about the spread of disease, and I don't know.

798
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:09,480
Speaker 5: This to me is just it's such an interesting intersection

799
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:13,560
Speaker 5: of like the gross consumerism and look at me asm

800
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:18,280
Speaker 5: of kind of American TikTok and YouTube culture completely clashing

801
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:21,880
Speaker 5: with a part of the world and a people whose

802
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:25,120
Speaker 5: whole existence is antithetical to all of that.

803
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:26,960
Speaker 4: So I would just.

804
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 5: Say leave the Sentinelesee the hell alone and stop chasing

805
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 5: cloud at the expense of others.

806
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 3: If someone tells you they don't want you to go

807
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:40,840
Speaker 3: to their party, then you know, don't This is We

808
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:46,239
Speaker 3: know also from the Sentinelese perspective that they've repeatedly had

809
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:50,399
Speaker 3: disastrous interactions with outsiders, and we can lay a lot

810
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:54,359
Speaker 3: of that at the feet of again the British when

811
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:58,919
Speaker 3: they abducted six innocent people from a tribe. I think

812
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 3: right now, the current the current like satellite intel and

813
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:07,440
Speaker 3: the current research suggests this is.

814
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:07,759
Speaker 4: So.

815
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:10,279
Speaker 3: This is an island about the size of Manhattan. There

816
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:17,279
Speaker 3: are roughly three loose groups, but they're all continually going

817
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:22,440
Speaker 3: to be in contact. So again, these folks who, doubtlessly

818
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:27,120
Speaker 3: because they're human, they have rich oral history, They have traditions, right,

819
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:31,320
Speaker 3: they have a collective memory of things that happened before,

820
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:34,960
Speaker 3: so they they know and they have probably grown up

821
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 3: being taught that communication with these outsiders, whatever the word

822
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:44,160
Speaker 3: for those outsiders may be, is catastrophic. And you can't

823
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:45,000
Speaker 3: really blame.

824
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:46,200
Speaker 4: Them, you know, you certainly can.

825
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:49,359
Speaker 5: The police issued a statement saying that his actions posed

826
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:51,239
Speaker 5: a serious threat to the safety and well being of

827
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:53,680
Speaker 5: the Sentinel Theese people, whose contact with outsiders are strictly

828
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:57,040
Speaker 5: prohibited by law to protect their indigenous way of life.

829
00:49:57,280 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 5: New York Times reported on this, saying the police said,

830
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:02,319
Speaker 5: or rather, let me give you the person's name by

831
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:07,160
Speaker 5: Christine Hauser and Harry Kumar, and they paraphrased a subsequent

832
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:12,239
Speaker 5: part of the statements, thusly saying the police said during

833
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:15,319
Speaker 5: their questioning of mister Polykov, he disclosed that he was

834
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:18,520
Speaker 5: drawn to the island out of a quote passion for

835
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:24,000
Speaker 5: a venture and his desire to undertake extreme challenges. Officials

836
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:27,400
Speaker 5: said that his go pro footage suggested entry into the island,

837
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:31,640
Speaker 5: and that he used GPS navigation throughout his voyage.

838
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:34,120
Speaker 3: Then just go to Myanmar, you know what I mean,

839
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:37,160
Speaker 3: show over the border into DPRK. Those are both in

840
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:38,319
Speaker 3: the regional neighborhood.

841
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:42,799
Speaker 2: May might I suggest to any adventurous young tuber out

842
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:48,200
Speaker 2: there South Sentinel Island, why not visit Lee Sunny South

843
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:51,840
Speaker 2: Sentinel Island. It's much smaller, but at the right angle

844
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:55,879
Speaker 2: it would look almost exactly like North Sentinel Island. Why

845
00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:59,800
Speaker 2: not get some footage there and then just tell everybody

846
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:01,760
Speaker 2: went to the other place. It'll be fine.

847
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:05,200
Speaker 3: What could go wrong about lying to millions of people?

848
00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:06,600
Speaker 3: Could you could?

849
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:07,239
Speaker 4: I don't know.

850
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:10,800
Speaker 3: I like that idea because you can visit South Sentinel Island.

851
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:13,440
Speaker 3: That's the thing we discussed in the past as well.

852
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:16,880
Speaker 3: And there's actually there's been some great research in previous

853
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:20,959
Speaker 3: years about kind of figuring out the language of North

854
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:24,160
Speaker 3: Sentinel Island, like to the people in South Sentinel Island

855
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:29,120
Speaker 3: speak a mutually intelligible tongue, and if so, could that

856
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:31,280
Speaker 3: be a way to communicate with people safely?

857
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:34,120
Speaker 2: It's are there people who live in South Center? It's

858
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:36,360
Speaker 2: just super tiny, That's all I know.

859
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:39,680
Speaker 3: I did just finally, I am thinking of Andeman's or

860
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:40,880
Speaker 3: Nico bar totally.

861
00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:44,680
Speaker 5: I did just finally find his YouTube channel, which only

862
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:49,120
Speaker 5: has three point two four k subscribers. He's got nineteen

863
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:52,640
Speaker 5: videos and the name of the YouTube channel is in

864
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:58,760
Speaker 5: itself a little problematic Neo orientalist past growth not good,

865
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:04,000
Speaker 5: and there are videos of him entering Taliban controlled parts

866
00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:09,640
Speaker 5: of Afghanistan. Honestly, that seems to be mostly what is

867
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:12,520
Speaker 5: on here? There aren't that many videos, so I guess

868
00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:16,200
Speaker 5: this guy's just getting started. But uh, sorry, buddy, looks

869
00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:21,040
Speaker 5: like the kaibash has been put on your youtubing days. Yeah,

870
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:24,600
Speaker 5: and looking at these videos all very again, look at

871
00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:29,439
Speaker 5: me kind of like benefiting from difficult situations in other

872
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:31,640
Speaker 5: parts of the world. There's one where he's actually, like

873
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:36,719
Speaker 5: very glibly eating a soft served ice cream cone, you know,

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Speaker 5: while roaming Taliban controlled Afghanistan. It just feels very dismissive

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Speaker 5: and gross, like here, look at me, I'm getting a

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Speaker 5: haircut in Afghanistan.

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Speaker 4: Wow. Agreed. Not good?

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Speaker 5: Not good guy. I think he had this coming. Frankly, yeah,

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Speaker 5: might didn't get killed, but I think this punishment.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 5: I hope he doesn't get five years in prison, but

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Speaker 5: I hope this makes him rethink this kind of Shenanigan ring.

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Speaker 3: There is a non zero chance, Noel, that the next

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Speaker 3: video will be how I survived prison in India.

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Speaker 4: Hmm, fair enough, that's true.

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Speaker 5: And honestly, he's getting more attention from this than he

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Speaker 5: ever got before. Three point two thousand subscribers ain't a lot,

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Speaker 5: So there you go.

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Speaker 4: Maybe we're part of the problem.

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Speaker 3: But there is another deeper look at some of the

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Speaker 3: things we brought up. In addition to our episodes on

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Speaker 3: North Sentinel Island, we had a great interview segment with

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Speaker 3: the journalist Rajiev Gola remember this from back in the

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Speaker 3: day his series The Missionary, which touches on the show

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Speaker 3: case as well.

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Speaker 4: Totally forgot about that. Excellent Jeeves doing well.

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Speaker 3: He's building his own motorcycle from the ground up. I

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Speaker 3: still talk to the guy. Yeah, he's super cool. So

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Speaker 3: do check out Do check out his program if you'd

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Speaker 3: like to learn more about this. And I appreciate you

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Speaker 3: bringing this up because it is mission critical for people

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Speaker 3: to realize there are reasons for rules like this, and

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Speaker 3: we've examined them in previous episodes, like oh the places

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Speaker 3: you can't go in secret or closed off towns. But

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Speaker 3: often you have to be really careful with the so

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Speaker 3: called adventure tourism or dark tourism. You have to wonder

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Speaker 3: about the consequences of your actions or your as you

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Speaker 3: as you put it, look at meism's.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that's all the podcast ink we're gonna

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Speaker 5: spill over this fellow. I do hope that he's okay

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Speaker 5: and that everything ends up all right for him, and

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Speaker 5: that this is an educational experience rather than like an

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Speaker 5: opportunity to double down.

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Speaker 4: But you know what, not holding out hope on that one.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, people can evolve. It's and and we've hit

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Speaker 3: a lot of deep water here today, folks. We can't

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Speaker 3: wait to hear your thoughts. Perhaps you will join us

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Speaker 3: on an upcoming Listener male segment. We want to hear

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Speaker 3: your take on the ongoing horrific situation in Maryland, the

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Speaker 3: ongoing disturbing what I do think is a harbinger situation

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Speaker 3: here in the US overall. And of course where you

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Speaker 3: would travel instead of North Sentinel Island, may we respectfully

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Speaker 3: suggest Bhutan, which would love to have you tell us

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Speaker 5: Indeed, find us all over the internet at the handle

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Speaker 5: You can also find us at the handle Conspiracy Stuff

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Speaker 2: your name and message on the air. If you've got

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Speaker 2: more to say than can fit in three minutes, why

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Speaker 2: not instead send us a good old fashioned email.

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Speaker 3: void rights back quick thing we didn't get to. Five

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