1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,400 Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck 2 00:00:03,440 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. 3 00:00:05,440 --> 00:00:10,360 Speaker 2: Welcome in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all of 4 00:00:10,400 --> 00:00:15,480 Speaker 2: you hanging out with us. Well, they had a debate, Buck, 5 00:00:16,400 --> 00:00:18,880 Speaker 2: I'm not sure that it changed anything. 6 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:21,639 Speaker 1: We are going to react. We'll open up the phone lines. 7 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:25,840 Speaker 2: Our only guest today Carol Markowitz, who was front and 8 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:30,040 Speaker 2: center last night at the Ronald Reagan debate, and we'll 9 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:34,240 Speaker 2: see what she thought from on the scene coverage there. 10 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:36,400 Speaker 2: She's going to join us about halfway through the show. 11 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:41,000 Speaker 2: But Buck, here's my big takeaway, and I'm curious how 12 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 2: you would react. And by the way, like I said, 13 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:45,959 Speaker 2: open phone lines, if you watch the debate, you can 14 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:48,520 Speaker 2: react as well. Eight hundred and two A two two 15 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:52,479 Speaker 2: eight A two. We said going into this debate that 16 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:57,960 Speaker 2: really the big picture question here is is there going 17 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:02,240 Speaker 2: to be somebody that goes toe to toe with Donald 18 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 2: Trump and everybody out there has to kind of everybody 19 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:07,760 Speaker 2: else has to drop out? 20 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:09,600 Speaker 1: Is there that willingness to do it? 21 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 2: My biggest takeaway here is, and it's what I thought 22 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:17,520 Speaker 2: would likely be the case. There are two people, it 23 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:22,480 Speaker 2: seems to me, who are viable alternatives to Trump that 24 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:26,760 Speaker 2: could be left standing throwing haymakers at him. Coming out 25 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:29,759 Speaker 2: of this debate, I think it is Ron DeSantis, obviously 26 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 2: the governor of Florida, and Nikki Haley. I thought Doug 27 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:37,679 Speaker 2: Bergham had a really good debate. I thought that there 28 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:41,680 Speaker 2: was a clear top four to me, regardless of how 29 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:46,560 Speaker 2: you would assess everybody else, in no particular order, DeSantis, 30 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:50,920 Speaker 2: Vivaik Haley, and Bergham and Burgham doesn't really have a 31 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 2: chance to be the nominee. But I was really impressed 32 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 2: with him and how logical and consistent he was. Mike Pence, 33 00:01:57,720 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 2: I thought, was totally he's a non factor. He's done 34 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:03,400 Speaker 2: and he has been for some time. But I thought 35 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 2: even more so on the stage, Chris Christy, he's running. 36 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:09,799 Speaker 2: I thought you said it. I went and looked at 37 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 2: your reactions to Buck. I thought you said it, Well, 38 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:14,320 Speaker 2: there's two guys on the stage that hate Trump, and 39 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:16,959 Speaker 2: that's why they're running. Pins and Christie like they don't 40 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 2: have a chance to actually. 41 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:18,799 Speaker 1: Be the nominee. 42 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:22,280 Speaker 2: And then and so that's kind of my big takeaway 43 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:24,720 Speaker 2: is how would you assess before we dive into the 44 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:28,600 Speaker 2: general discussion, what was your biggest takeaway from last night. 45 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:32,760 Speaker 3: I mean I watched the debate like everyone well not 46 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:36,080 Speaker 3: like everyone else, but like so many others, and my 47 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:39,400 Speaker 3: takeaway was, there are three people who are running for 48 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 3: cabinet positions. Realistically, there are two people who are running 49 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:48,119 Speaker 3: out of anti Trump animis. They hate Trump and they 50 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:52,640 Speaker 3: want a chance to take public shots at him. There's 51 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 3: one person who's just trying to get people to know 52 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:56,799 Speaker 3: his name, and there's one person who really thinks that 53 00:02:56,840 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 3: he should be president and can win. 54 00:02:58,760 --> 00:02:59,000 Speaker 4: Now. 55 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 3: I think that pretty much lines up with your assessment 56 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:06,040 Speaker 3: to Clay, except you're putting Nicki Haley in alongside the 57 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 3: one person who I think is still trying to really 58 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 3: be president is Ron DeSantis. Yeah, you're putting Nicki Haley 59 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:15,160 Speaker 3: in that category two. And I think that's you know, 60 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 3: I'm persuadable to that. I certainly think Nikki Haley believes 61 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 3: that she could win this thing. Now, whether or not that 62 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:26,680 Speaker 3: could actually happen, it is interesting. There's some polling that 63 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 3: and her team this is their primary point in her 64 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:33,880 Speaker 3: favor really, that she does very well against Biden. There 65 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:36,960 Speaker 3: is some point lead. Yeah, yeah, that and so we 66 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:39,480 Speaker 3: always talk about, oh, the only person who can beat 67 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:41,600 Speaker 3: Biden is and a lot of people think they know 68 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:46,120 Speaker 3: the answer, but you know, the the numbers right now 69 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 3: are very very indicative that Nicki Haley might be weak 70 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 3: in the primary but strong in the general. And that 71 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 3: used to be more of a conventional political wisdom, right 72 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 3: that it wasn't the most solid with the base candidate 73 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 3: who necess necessarily prevail, or the one that base like 74 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:05,480 Speaker 3: the most. Bernie Sanders, the left wing base like the 75 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 3: most for Democrats, Howard Dean for a while the Democrat 76 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:11,320 Speaker 3: based like the most, and they weren't the general election candidates. 77 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:16,479 Speaker 3: So anyway, so my breakdown, just to summarize, was, I 78 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 3: think Ron DeSantis is still running for president. 79 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:21,360 Speaker 1: We'll get into I think he had one really good 80 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 1: moment last night, and other than that. 81 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:27,560 Speaker 3: He was pretty just, you know, solid but not breakthrough. 82 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 1: I think I'm really curious to hear your take on 83 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:35,840 Speaker 1: the Nicky Haley Vivike stuff. That cut that cut a heisty, 84 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 1: that got a little that go whoa. 85 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:41,039 Speaker 3: So I don't know if Vicky Haley helped yourself at 86 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:43,239 Speaker 3: all in that regard, but I think that Viveke, Nicki, 87 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:46,280 Speaker 3: and Scott are all running for cabinet positions in a 88 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:50,479 Speaker 3: Trump administration. I think that Pence and Christy are running 89 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:52,680 Speaker 3: because they hate Trump and want to take shots at him, 90 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:56,160 Speaker 3: and you know, they're like the attention Bergham obviously is like, Hey, 91 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 3: I'm Doug Bergham, I'm a smart guy, and listen to me. 92 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:01,279 Speaker 3: And then DeSantis, that's mine, that's my overall for the 93 00:05:01,279 --> 00:05:04,440 Speaker 3: whole thing. So here's here's the question, and we agree 94 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:09,600 Speaker 3: in many respects. I felt like the debate itself was 95 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:13,560 Speaker 3: a lot of parody in a sports context, It's like 96 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:16,000 Speaker 3: everybody's like, it's kind of like the NFL. 97 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:18,719 Speaker 2: Everybody's two in one or one in you know, one 98 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 2: and two or whatever. There's a lot of very you know, 99 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 2: very close jumble. And then to me, the question now is, well, 100 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 2: let's take a step back and think about what Democrats 101 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:34,760 Speaker 2: did in twenty twenty. Democrats came out of Iowa and 102 00:05:34,839 --> 00:05:38,040 Speaker 2: New Hampshire buck and they were a total mess. And 103 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 2: Bernie was actually in the lead, but they had Bernie 104 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:44,919 Speaker 2: the Bloomberg jumped in because people were so unhappy with 105 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:49,520 Speaker 2: the options. You had Joe Biden, Elizabeth Warren like this 106 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:53,679 Speaker 2: big sort of mess. And then as they got ready 107 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:59,159 Speaker 2: for South Carolina. Basically, the Democrat power brokers said Biden's 108 00:05:59,200 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 2: the guy. 109 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:02,599 Speaker 1: Everybody else is done, and it just ended. 110 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:08,480 Speaker 2: Democrats rigged the game for Joe Biden to be the nominee, 111 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:11,440 Speaker 2: and then COVID happened and like everything kind of fell apart, 112 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:14,560 Speaker 2: but Biden won in South Carolina and it was like, Okay, 113 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:17,000 Speaker 2: then you go into Super Tuesday, this thing's over. 114 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:18,600 Speaker 1: Biden's the guy. 115 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:24,160 Speaker 2: If you are of the opinion that Trump should be beaten, 116 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 2: as about let's say half of the Republican electorate right 117 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:32,159 Speaker 2: now in the primary is then everybody else has to 118 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:35,920 Speaker 2: drop out except for about two or three people. And 119 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:39,640 Speaker 2: Iowa needs to be This is my opinion. Iowa needs 120 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 2: to be a race of like there's four or five 121 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:46,599 Speaker 2: total candidates New Hampshire, and then by the end of 122 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:50,000 Speaker 2: Iowa New Hampshire, by the time you go to South Carolina, 123 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:53,920 Speaker 2: there needs to be one candidate basically running against Trump. 124 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:58,039 Speaker 2: If your goal is to beat Trump. Now, I know 125 00:06:58,080 --> 00:07:00,719 Speaker 2: there's lots of Trump people up there who were saying 126 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:03,200 Speaker 2: nobody's going to be Trump, and I certainly can understand 127 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:06,680 Speaker 2: that I can work the math with you. But that 128 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 2: is the question for me, because why would Vivek drop out, 129 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:14,520 Speaker 2: Why would Chris Christy drop out, why would Mike Pence 130 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:17,840 Speaker 2: drop out? They all get more attention by staying in. 131 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 2: I think that they're all going to stay in, and 132 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 2: as a result, this is never going to be close. 133 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 1: And Trump's going to be the nominee. 134 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 3: Yes, I don't agree. I'd like to see that, yeseah, 135 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:31,480 Speaker 3: I don't really see. And for the people, we got 136 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:34,040 Speaker 3: a lot of people who listen who are look I 137 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:38,640 Speaker 3: hear from DeSantis, Penn I not sorry, not Pence, DeSantis, 138 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:41,720 Speaker 3: Haley and actually some Tim Scott people who listened to 139 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 3: the show. You know, they'll reach out and they'll say, guys, 140 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:43,800 Speaker 3: it's not over. 141 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 1: It's not over. 142 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 3: It's absolutely not over. The contest hasn't even really begun. 143 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 3: Not a single vote has been cast. We're assessing the 144 00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 3: dynamics as they stand today, and the dynamic right now 145 00:07:54,920 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 3: is Trump appears invincible and or insurmountable. But that is 146 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:02,600 Speaker 3: an appearance that is not a reality that can change, 147 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:05,240 Speaker 3: and we leave open that possibility. This is why we 148 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 3: have a primary. All of you and of course Clay 149 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 3: and I and our individual capacities get to go and 150 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 3: vote in the states we live in and decide who 151 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:15,960 Speaker 3: the best nominee. 152 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:16,320 Speaker 1: For the party will be. 153 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:20,679 Speaker 3: All of that said, the debate last night, it came 154 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 3: off as cacafanis. 155 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 1: Oh that's a good word. Yeah, thank you, sir. 156 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 3: It came off as a little too, I think a 157 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:33,040 Speaker 3: little more aggressive than it should have, a little more, 158 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:35,760 Speaker 3: a little more tension than there should have been in 159 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:40,000 Speaker 3: some different places. It's I'm not I'm not trying to 160 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:42,480 Speaker 3: be funny. It's it was true that one of the 161 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:46,680 Speaker 3: anchors was hard to understand, hard to understand the questions, 162 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 3: which was not helpful. 163 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:52,200 Speaker 2: And she was also asking woke question ques you were 164 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:54,640 Speaker 2: you know, an MSNBC panelist. 165 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:57,080 Speaker 3: So I mean that's just a statement of fact. I mean, 166 00:08:57,200 --> 00:08:59,040 Speaker 3: of people can get very sensitive about that, but I 167 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:03,520 Speaker 3: I could she was the Univision Univision employee, your Univision 168 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:04,720 Speaker 3: cayl deroone. 169 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 1: I believe. 170 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:09,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, she was hard to understand and that wasn't helpful. 171 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:13,320 Speaker 3: And and then I think in a few other places 172 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:16,920 Speaker 3: there was so much cross talk and it and you see, 173 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:18,480 Speaker 3: this is why Trump not showing up, And this is 174 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 3: what I want to get to why Trump not showing 175 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:23,920 Speaker 3: up seems to work so well for him because it 176 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:28,960 Speaker 3: ends up a little bit like, you know, fifth grade soccer, right, 177 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:30,840 Speaker 3: fifth grade soccer for anybody. 178 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:32,720 Speaker 1: So I've coached soccer, I've played soccer. 179 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:34,800 Speaker 3: You know, when you get to the high school level, 180 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:38,000 Speaker 3: people spread out, they'll actually work on some tax My 181 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:41,120 Speaker 3: wife is coaching third grade soccer right now. 182 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:45,960 Speaker 1: Very cool. I don't know that that's awesome, but she 183 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:46,840 Speaker 1: she could speak to this. 184 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:50,560 Speaker 3: When you're the third grade, it's usually everyone just clusters 185 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:52,320 Speaker 3: around the ball like you just have ten you know, 186 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:54,800 Speaker 3: you have eleven kids, ten on each side that aren't 187 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 3: the goalies, and they're just all in this little beehive 188 00:09:57,280 --> 00:10:00,720 Speaker 3: of activity around the ball. And that's kind of what 189 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:02,360 Speaker 3: it looks like on stage when you have four or 190 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 3: five presidential candidates all they're all right on the ball, 191 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:08,760 Speaker 3: fighting for the ball, trying to get attention. So there's 192 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 3: something a little bit undermining about that. I watched did 193 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:14,160 Speaker 3: you watch Trump speech last night? 194 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 1: I watched. I not watched it. I watched it. Look, 195 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 1: he's so comfortable being the showman. 196 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:23,960 Speaker 3: And you know one thing that I don't think we've 197 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:28,080 Speaker 3: really factored into all of our political analysis here, or 198 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:31,440 Speaker 3: we haven't really discussed yet because I often say, Clay, look, 199 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:35,000 Speaker 3: the incumbency is really powerful, and it is right. You 200 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:37,959 Speaker 3: look at history, incumbency is really powerful. You know what 201 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:39,200 Speaker 3: also is really powerful? 202 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 1: I was already the guy. Yeah, I already had the job. 203 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:46,280 Speaker 3: Like, we haven't come across that very often where a 204 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:49,320 Speaker 3: former president is now saying, give me the job again. 205 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:52,200 Speaker 3: But it's not hard to see, you know, when you've 206 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:54,000 Speaker 3: been to the big game, it's not hard to think 207 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:55,560 Speaker 3: you're going to be in the big game again. And 208 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:59,800 Speaker 3: I think there's there's just a perception, a perception aspect 209 00:10:59,800 --> 00:11:02,040 Speaker 3: there where Trump's standing up there and he's just like, guys, 210 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:05,480 Speaker 3: I'm the guy. He looked very comfortable giving his speech. 211 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 3: I don't think it was actually to the UAW. It 212 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:11,880 Speaker 3: was to other auto industry employees, but in Michigan last night. 213 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:15,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, and Buck, we'll play some of these clips for 214 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:17,880 Speaker 2: those of you who didn't watch out there. The other thing, 215 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:22,960 Speaker 2: I thought, you know, big picture on the debate, I thought, 216 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:25,280 Speaker 2: you're right, ca, confidence is the right word. It is 217 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:27,080 Speaker 2: a lot of cross talk, a lot of talking over. 218 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:29,679 Speaker 2: I didn't think the audio was great. I also thought 219 00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 2: the opening questions, like I jotted down, they opened with 220 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:36,520 Speaker 2: the auto strike. I think that's Look, I'm not I 221 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:38,439 Speaker 2: understand we have a lot of listeners in Michigan, a 222 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:40,400 Speaker 2: lot of listeners in the Midwest who are involved in 223 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:44,440 Speaker 2: that strike, and certainly I understand why that's important for you. 224 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 2: I think that's like the twentieth most important issue for 225 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:51,160 Speaker 2: your average Republican primary voter right now. I don't get 226 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:53,960 Speaker 2: the sense that the auto workers strike is near the APEX. 227 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:55,120 Speaker 1: That was their first. 228 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:58,560 Speaker 2: Question, which felt influenced by Trump buck to me that 229 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:01,600 Speaker 2: they even decided to go with as the very first question. 230 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:04,600 Speaker 2: And then the second question was about the government shut down. 231 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:07,400 Speaker 2: We haven't even talked about that on the program because 232 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:10,520 Speaker 2: it's such to me a sideshow. We know that eventually 233 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:12,600 Speaker 2: the government's not going to be shut down, right, so 234 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 2: all of this obsession with oh my goodness, the government 235 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:19,360 Speaker 2: might shut down and everything else, the government's not shutting 236 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:22,199 Speaker 2: down forever, right, Eventually they're gonna work out a deal. 237 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:25,280 Speaker 2: And so I thought they set the tone of the 238 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 2: debate as messy because they started in that first twenty 239 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:32,400 Speaker 2: or twenty five minutes when a lot of people are like, Okay, 240 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:34,559 Speaker 2: is this going to be entertaining or not? Is there 241 00:12:34,559 --> 00:12:36,600 Speaker 2: going to be something to be gleaned from this. They 242 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:39,560 Speaker 2: started with the auto strike and they started with the 243 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:43,440 Speaker 2: government potential shutdown. Both of those I don't think register 244 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:48,800 Speaker 2: for most Republican primary voters as apex level interest. Certainly, 245 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:51,000 Speaker 2: we haven't talked about either on this program, and this 246 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:53,439 Speaker 2: is the most listened to radio program just about in 247 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:57,120 Speaker 2: the country, and so we're pretty good at topic choice. 248 00:12:57,600 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 2: That to me felt like a miss right out of 249 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:01,439 Speaker 2: the gate. And then. 250 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 3: I just felt like it was what's a Republican really 251 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:08,320 Speaker 3: supposed to say about that right now? 252 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:11,040 Speaker 2: Like, what is the that's I mean, there is, that's 253 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:12,840 Speaker 2: a good point. There's not a great point in distinction. 254 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:14,599 Speaker 2: I also thought, and this is just kind of a 255 00:13:15,520 --> 00:13:21,160 Speaker 2: lesson in general, whenever there was a disagreement, allow the disagreement. 256 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:21,240 Speaker 1: To play out. 257 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:24,160 Speaker 2: It was like there was a disagreement there sniping at 258 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:27,079 Speaker 2: each other, there's argument over an issue, and then they 259 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:30,199 Speaker 2: just totally pivoted to a brand new issue and they 260 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:34,480 Speaker 2: didn't allow the conflict to play itself out. The conflict 261 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:37,080 Speaker 2: was actually the most interesting part of the debate. Like 262 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:41,040 Speaker 2: you're going after each other, there are differences being developed, 263 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:43,640 Speaker 2: and then suddenly you have the Ilia called to own lady, 264 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:46,600 Speaker 2: but Piero in and say, what do you think about 265 00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:49,560 Speaker 2: the Latinos who were upset about the situation at the border, 266 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:51,680 Speaker 2: and so well, we're not even talking about that right 267 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:54,400 Speaker 2: right now, right. It was just it felt very disjointed. 268 00:13:54,520 --> 00:13:57,040 Speaker 2: It was poorly moderated. I will, I will just throw 269 00:13:57,080 --> 00:13:59,479 Speaker 2: that out there. There were there were moderation and structural 270 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 2: mistake for as these debates go. I mean I already 271 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:05,880 Speaker 2: mentioned one of the anchors was difficult to I mean, 272 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:08,320 Speaker 2: if you can't understand the questions, that's a really challenging 273 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:13,760 Speaker 2: place to start. I think Clay that there should be 274 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:17,520 Speaker 2: a there should be some consideration given to the possibility 275 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:20,240 Speaker 2: of not having so many people on the stage. 276 00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:22,400 Speaker 3: And that doesn't mean we shouldn't hear from all these voices, 277 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:25,240 Speaker 3: but the same way that you have to qualify in 278 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:27,720 Speaker 3: order to get on that stage, I think they should 279 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:32,040 Speaker 3: do it in tiers, meaning you know, you get four 280 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:35,240 Speaker 3: candidates who are the four bottom and the three candidates 281 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:38,800 Speaker 3: at the top or some mixture thereof yeah, and break 282 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:42,960 Speaker 3: it out over either two. I would rather hear one 283 00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 3: hour with three of them on the stage and one 284 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:46,840 Speaker 3: hour with four of them on the stage, then two 285 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 3: hours with seven of them on the stage. It was 286 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 3: really very few takeaways, way too much interruption. 287 00:14:52,760 --> 00:14:55,840 Speaker 2: And mess are in c needs to step in. There 288 00:14:55,880 --> 00:14:57,600 Speaker 2: needs to only be three or four people on the 289 00:14:57,600 --> 00:15:01,040 Speaker 2: next stage. That's an eight hundred two to two eight 290 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:03,640 Speaker 2: a two. You guys can weigh in. Cell phone service 291 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:06,080 Speaker 2: company pure Talk did something really smart this summer for 292 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:09,360 Speaker 2: the benefit of their customers. 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Again, that's dial 306 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:54,640 Speaker 2: pound two five zero, say Clay and Buck make the 307 00:15:54,680 --> 00:15:56,640 Speaker 2: switch to pure talk today. 308 00:15:57,120 --> 00:16:01,440 Speaker 1: Inspiring you to seek out the truth the Clay Travis 309 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:03,160 Speaker 1: and Buck Sexton Show. 310 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:08,800 Speaker 3: So I was expecting that Chris Christie, you know, from Jersey. 311 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:11,320 Speaker 1: I thought that he'd have a few moments where you 312 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:12,400 Speaker 1: get in a few lines. 313 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 3: I gotta tell you, this was bizarre to me, Like 314 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:20,160 Speaker 3: this was I don't even know, this was an insult or, 315 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:22,280 Speaker 3: this was, uh, here we go. 316 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 1: Can you play clip nine for me? This was Christy's 317 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:25,360 Speaker 1: big moment. 318 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:28,680 Speaker 3: This was him doing his pirouette on the stage, trying 319 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 3: to stick the landing, et cetera. 320 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 1: Play nine. 321 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:33,320 Speaker 5: I want to look at that camera right now. Tell you, Donald, 322 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 5: I know you're watching. You can't help yourself. I know 323 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:40,240 Speaker 5: you're watching, okay, and you're not here tonight. Not because 324 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:43,120 Speaker 5: of polls and not because of your indictments. You're not 325 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:46,760 Speaker 5: here tonight because you're afraid of being on the stage 326 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 5: and defending your record. You're ducking these things. And let 327 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:52,000 Speaker 5: me tell you what's gonna happen you keep doing that. 328 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:54,200 Speaker 5: No one up here is gonna call you Donald Trump anymore. 329 00:16:54,280 --> 00:17:01,680 Speaker 3: We're gonna call you Donald duck, Donald duck. He had 330 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:04,040 Speaker 3: to write that out beforehand, right, I mean, that's all. 331 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:07,640 Speaker 3: That's the line that he was ready to throw down. 332 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:09,040 Speaker 1: I was sitting here. I'm like, first of all, I 333 00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:10,640 Speaker 1: don't know. I think people kind of like Donald Duck. 334 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 1: I don't know if that's really a And also it's 335 00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:16,560 Speaker 1: such a vague reference to him not going to the debate. 336 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 1: I don't know. 337 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:19,880 Speaker 3: It wasn't Christy's best. Christy didn't send his best. I'm 338 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:22,200 Speaker 3: just telling you, well, I think it was so planned. 339 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:24,800 Speaker 2: And that's my biggest issue with these debates in general, 340 00:17:24,840 --> 00:17:26,439 Speaker 2: and I think it's why Trump has a lot of 341 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:30,680 Speaker 2: success in them. You can't over prepare, and so many 342 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:34,600 Speaker 2: of these answers are clearly scripted and they feel almost 343 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:39,200 Speaker 2: memorized that it doesn't feel like an organic conversation. And 344 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:42,840 Speaker 2: that's where I think Trump often has such success because 345 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:45,920 Speaker 2: he doesn't sound like a traditional politician. I mean, I'll 346 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:49,240 Speaker 2: use him as an example, Mike Pence when he dropped 347 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:51,600 Speaker 2: it I'd been sleeping with a teacher for thirty eight 348 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:54,560 Speaker 2: years line, and he thought people were going to laugh. 349 00:17:55,119 --> 00:18:00,439 Speaker 2: It sounded so corny and so politician like that. I 350 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:03,680 Speaker 2: can see why Trump is trouncing so many of these 351 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:08,760 Speaker 2: people because they're wildly, wildly over prepared in the grand 352 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:11,040 Speaker 2: scheme of things. 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Nicki Haley does not like Vivek Ramaswami. 371 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:25,359 Speaker 2: And I think sometimes you can't really tell on the 372 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:29,679 Speaker 2: stage based on shifting political allegiances and everything else. I 373 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:32,520 Speaker 2: think Viveke saying that everybody but him on the stage 374 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:36,520 Speaker 2: was bought and paid for really kind of united everyone 375 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:40,159 Speaker 2: in hating Viveke. Not that there's anything wrong necessarily with 376 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:42,720 Speaker 2: being the most hated person on the stage, because certainly 377 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:46,159 Speaker 2: Trump dealt with that a lot in twenty fifteen based 378 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:48,480 Speaker 2: on all the traditional politicians that were up on the 379 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:52,480 Speaker 2: stage there. But Nicki Haley went after Viveke and Buck. 380 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:57,440 Speaker 2: If you remember after the first debate, I think the 381 00:19:57,440 --> 00:20:00,320 Speaker 2: biggest takeaway for a lot of people was the vic 382 00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:04,080 Speaker 2: was the biggest newsmaker in that debate, could be positive 383 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:04,720 Speaker 2: or negative. 384 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:06,120 Speaker 1: He got an early blip. 385 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:09,639 Speaker 2: I think he has since faded some in terms of 386 00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:10,320 Speaker 2: his momentum. 387 00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:12,920 Speaker 1: It's died out to a large extent. Would you agree 388 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:13,159 Speaker 1: with that. 389 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 3: The only idea that I could remember from last night 390 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:18,919 Speaker 3: from vivec was on birthrights. 391 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:21,080 Speaker 1: He was right on that. We'll play that at some 392 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:21,680 Speaker 1: point too. 393 00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:24,400 Speaker 3: He articulates it, Yeah, we'll get to that he articulates 394 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:26,639 Speaker 3: it very well, but that's not of a vac idea. 395 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:31,639 Speaker 3: Trump actually was working on that and said he was 396 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:34,360 Speaker 3: going to do something about that when he was president. 397 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:37,560 Speaker 3: It didn't happen. He says he's going to do it 398 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:39,359 Speaker 3: this time. But my point is it's just it wasn't 399 00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:42,119 Speaker 3: an original the vac idea. There are a lot of 400 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:45,640 Speaker 3: people who are claiming Viveke has a habit of taking 401 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:49,520 Speaker 3: lines from other people that are actually what do you 402 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:53,280 Speaker 3: call it? A Matt mashup of the Veke lines and 403 00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:54,560 Speaker 3: Barack Obama lines. 404 00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:55,320 Speaker 1: Have you seen this? 405 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:57,680 Speaker 2: No, I haven't said I saw that. I saw the headline. 406 00:20:57,680 --> 00:20:59,480 Speaker 2: I didn't click on it, but I saw it trending 407 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:00,280 Speaker 2: on social. 408 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:02,960 Speaker 3: I mean, Vivek is using lines that are Obama lines 409 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:06,840 Speaker 3: at different points, you know about I'm just saying, like, 410 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:08,720 Speaker 3: this is this is now He'll I'm sure he would 411 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:11,399 Speaker 3: say it's just common political language or something. If you 412 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:15,439 Speaker 3: watch the mash up, it's not that common. So, you know, 413 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:18,040 Speaker 3: that's been a little bit of a challenge for him 414 00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:20,560 Speaker 3: at this phase. I think a lot of the answers 415 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:24,879 Speaker 3: that he gives. Look, he's obviously incredibly high IQ. I 416 00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:27,440 Speaker 3: like the guy so this isn't like I'm just trying 417 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:30,119 Speaker 3: to assess him as a performer on stage. 418 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:30,879 Speaker 1: I like Viveke. 419 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:35,160 Speaker 3: I think he's smart, but I feel like a lot 420 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:37,080 Speaker 3: of the answers all kind of sound the same. Like 421 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:39,640 Speaker 3: every answer turns into like, this is the greatest country 422 00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:42,159 Speaker 3: in the world, and let me explain why it's the 423 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:45,280 Speaker 3: greatest country in the world. It's like, all right, buddy, 424 00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:48,000 Speaker 3: you know, like tone of downald. This was a criticism 425 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:50,760 Speaker 3: actually of Ted Cruz when he was running in twenty sixteen. 426 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:53,719 Speaker 3: I remember Russia actually said this too. But people were 427 00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:56,399 Speaker 3: pointing this out, like does Ted Cruise talk about the 428 00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:58,960 Speaker 3: Constitution when he's having his cornflakes in the morning in morning, 429 00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:01,439 Speaker 3: like you know, you know, slow down a little bit. 430 00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:04,840 Speaker 3: That that would be I think the challenge that he has. 431 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:07,240 Speaker 3: But the Nicky Haley thing, because I know we want 432 00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:08,600 Speaker 3: to get that. I know I'm going on. 433 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:11,520 Speaker 1: Here, But the Nicki Haley thing, it was weird because 434 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:12,040 Speaker 1: it was mean. 435 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:14,080 Speaker 3: But also, of all the criticisms you could have of 436 00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:18,240 Speaker 3: the vague, dumb or making people dumber, is not one 437 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:18,520 Speaker 3: of them. 438 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:20,960 Speaker 1: That's that's not the vake criticism. 439 00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:22,919 Speaker 3: Can people call him a fake or they say that 440 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:25,600 Speaker 3: he's you know, to trumpy and not being honest about whatever. 441 00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:28,560 Speaker 1: He's a very smart guy. And here's do you want 442 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:30,399 Speaker 1: to play this? Yeah, let's he said. 443 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:34,240 Speaker 6: This is infuriating because TikTok is one of the most 444 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:37,760 Speaker 6: dangerous social media apps that we could have and what 445 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:40,200 Speaker 6: you've got. Honestly, every time I hear you, I feel 446 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:42,680 Speaker 6: a little bit dumber for what you say, because I 447 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:47,600 Speaker 6: can't believe they hear that TikTok situation. What they're doing 448 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:50,600 Speaker 6: is one hundred and fifty million people are on TikTok. 449 00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:52,920 Speaker 6: That means they can get your contacts, they can get 450 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:55,440 Speaker 6: your financial information, they can get your emails, they can 451 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:56,680 Speaker 6: get just saxt messages. 452 00:22:57,560 --> 00:22:59,320 Speaker 1: This is important, This is very important. 453 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:03,800 Speaker 6: Exactly what there This is very China. 454 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:06,280 Speaker 1: Don't make medically China, not America. 455 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:08,480 Speaker 6: Exc's now wanting kids to go and get on the 456 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:09,240 Speaker 6: social media. 457 00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:10,680 Speaker 1: That's dangerous for all of us. 458 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:12,960 Speaker 6: You went, you were in business with the Chinese that 459 00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:14,720 Speaker 6: gave a Hunter Biden five million dollars. 460 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:17,880 Speaker 1: We can't trust you. I mean she tried to shove 461 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:19,560 Speaker 1: him off the cruise ship. There, you know what I mean? 462 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:21,320 Speaker 1: That was all in. 463 00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:24,200 Speaker 2: So and then Vivek by the way, in his defense, 464 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:27,119 Speaker 2: came back and said we shouldn't be talking in personal 465 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:30,520 Speaker 2: attacks or whatever. It didn't really register because he said, 466 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:33,320 Speaker 2: you're all bought and paid for last debate. And I 467 00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:35,320 Speaker 2: also think, and I don't know I would whether you 468 00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:38,080 Speaker 2: agree with this or not, Buck, I also think it 469 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:40,960 Speaker 2: looks kind of whimpy when somebody says something mean and 470 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:44,240 Speaker 2: you're like, let's leave the personal attacks out of this. 471 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:46,840 Speaker 1: It's like, okay, uh, I get it. 472 00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:51,600 Speaker 2: Like to your point Nicky Haley calling Vivek's Ramaswami dumb, 473 00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:55,360 Speaker 2: I don't think it registers because he's not dumb, right, 474 00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:57,639 Speaker 2: Like you can attack Vivik for a lot of things. 475 00:23:57,680 --> 00:23:59,880 Speaker 1: He is super smart. And so his. 476 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:03,320 Speaker 2: Point on TikTok I didn't actually think was bad. It 477 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:06,480 Speaker 2: is funny though, that they're talking about banning TikTok while 478 00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:09,320 Speaker 2: TikTok is advertising during the debate. 479 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:11,840 Speaker 1: I mean, come on, this thing's not getting banned. I 480 00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:13,399 Speaker 1: told you all that. I told you all. 481 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 3: Remember there was that whole frenzy for a while. They're 482 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:17,879 Speaker 3: the Capitol Hill hearing, so it's like, guys, they're not 483 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:20,960 Speaker 3: going to ban TikTok. And the precedent that this sets 484 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:23,280 Speaker 3: is actually very troubling, and I was really a lone 485 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:26,200 Speaker 3: voice on that. And here we are. TikTok has not 486 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:29,000 Speaker 3: been banned. And I keep telling everybody, you know, if 487 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:31,159 Speaker 3: you want to be worried, if you want to be 488 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:35,480 Speaker 3: worried about your freedom and about the future, Google, which 489 00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:38,840 Speaker 3: is left wing and authoritarian in its tendencies here at home, 490 00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:44,160 Speaker 3: has far more impact on American politics, on American perception, 491 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:49,159 Speaker 3: on your security of your information. You know, we trust 492 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:52,240 Speaker 3: these companies. They know everything about you, guys, okay, and 493 00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:55,680 Speaker 3: they have proprietary information on all of you. Everyone listening 494 00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:58,000 Speaker 3: to this right now. That is far more concerning to 495 00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:02,320 Speaker 3: me than you know you're scrolling through on TikTok. 496 00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:04,679 Speaker 1: And I think Google, by the way to build on 497 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:06,960 Speaker 1: that buck, so to cut you up. Google shouldn't be. 498 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:11,120 Speaker 2: Able or to own YouTube as well for people out 499 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:12,920 Speaker 2: there who I think a lot of people don't think 500 00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:17,760 Speaker 2: about this buck. YouTube is the most powerful video platform 501 00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:22,439 Speaker 2: in the United States by far, by far. My kids 502 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:26,440 Speaker 2: only watch YouTube. If you are under you've got YouTube TV. 503 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:31,119 Speaker 2: If you are under the age of forty, YouTube is 504 00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:34,400 Speaker 2: the place that you go for most of your video content. Now, 505 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:36,960 Speaker 2: some people still go to TikTok. My thing on TikTok 506 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:39,320 Speaker 2: buck would be I would like to see the American 507 00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:42,520 Speaker 2: assets sold to an American company so it's not owned 508 00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:45,359 Speaker 2: by China. But I actually thought the Bike's answer on 509 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:50,400 Speaker 2: TikTok made some sense. He's saying kids under sixteen shouldn't 510 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:53,359 Speaker 2: be able to get on social media. I actually don't 511 00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:55,560 Speaker 2: disagree with that at all. I think their brains are 512 00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:58,120 Speaker 2: too young. Now they may sneak on, but it used 513 00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:00,159 Speaker 2: to be that we made you know I'm so let 514 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:02,720 Speaker 2: me give you an example. I think kids getting on 515 00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:07,119 Speaker 2: TikTok is more dangerous to me, and TikTok and social 516 00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:10,360 Speaker 2: media in general at thirteen or fourteen is far more 517 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:14,720 Speaker 2: dangerous to me than eighteen or nineteen year olds drinking beer. Right, 518 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:17,280 Speaker 2: Like we won't let kids buy beer until they're twenty one. 519 00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:20,600 Speaker 2: I think thirteen and fourteen year olds being on social 520 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:23,840 Speaker 2: media is more dangerous to them than an eighteen or 521 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:26,520 Speaker 2: a nineteen year old buying beer. So I actually thought 522 00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:30,959 Speaker 2: that Vivik's answer on TikTok made sense. So Nicki's attack 523 00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:34,000 Speaker 2: on that I didn't think was was ready. 524 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:38,760 Speaker 3: Where do you think the animosity comes from? Because I 525 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:43,200 Speaker 3: think I think it's just because Nicki Haley's been She's 526 00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:46,440 Speaker 3: she's kind of paid her dues. She was US Ambassador 527 00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:49,160 Speaker 3: to the United Nations under Trump. She's been in the game. 528 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:53,360 Speaker 3: She was a governor of South Carolina. And Viveke has 529 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:55,760 Speaker 3: come along, and I believe in most of the polls 530 00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:59,399 Speaker 3: I've seen he's either right there alongside her, maybe a 531 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:03,080 Speaker 3: little ahead. They're very close. But I've weeks ago there 532 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:05,120 Speaker 3: were polls where he was far out ahead of her. 533 00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:08,240 Speaker 1: And he's had a breakout and she hasn't. And you know, 534 00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:11,400 Speaker 1: I think these are very ego driven people, as there's 535 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:12,119 Speaker 1: no way around it. 536 00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:15,479 Speaker 3: These are people for whom this is quite personal and 537 00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:18,040 Speaker 3: they take it very personally because it to me, I 538 00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:21,919 Speaker 3: thought she did damage to her brand at some level 539 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:24,480 Speaker 3: last night to say that, like there are ways to 540 00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:26,960 Speaker 3: go after viveg but to say that, I sound dumber 541 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:29,280 Speaker 3: every time you speak, like well on the seventh grade, 542 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:29,800 Speaker 3: you know what I mean? 543 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:30,560 Speaker 1: That was a little weird. 544 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:33,359 Speaker 2: I thought that they told her put on your boxing 545 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:36,520 Speaker 2: gloves and start throwing haymakers, because she also said it too. 546 00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:38,600 Speaker 2: I mean, I think that was intentional advice. She also 547 00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:42,280 Speaker 2: went after Ron DeSantis and I thought maybe in the 548 00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:47,280 Speaker 2: the underrated most explosive moment of the debate might have 549 00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:51,520 Speaker 2: been when she said bring it Tim to Tim Scott, 550 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:55,000 Speaker 2: because they actually know each other really well. I mean 551 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:58,399 Speaker 2: they are both South Carolina politicians. I'm not talking about 552 00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:00,760 Speaker 2: like know each other in the cop text of you're 553 00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:03,560 Speaker 2: both kind of famous politicians and you cross paths every 554 00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:06,720 Speaker 2: now and then, like they would know. I would imagine 555 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:09,240 Speaker 2: both being from a relatively small state of South Carolina 556 00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:11,879 Speaker 2: and having known each other for twenty plus years, they 557 00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:14,600 Speaker 2: would know everything. So when she said bring it Tim, 558 00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:20,280 Speaker 2: it was like when you know, two fraternity brothers decided 559 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:22,840 Speaker 2: to throw down, or two sorority sisters, however you want 560 00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:24,760 Speaker 2: to say it. It was like there was something deeply 561 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:29,000 Speaker 2: personal there where, Like I think Tim Scott was actually 562 00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:33,960 Speaker 2: surprised that she attacked him in the way that that 563 00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:36,840 Speaker 2: he because he didn't really Tim Scott went after Vivak, 564 00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:40,480 Speaker 2: but Tim Scott didn't really go after Nikki Haley at first. 565 00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:42,640 Speaker 2: And then she was like, well, he hasn't done anything 566 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:45,440 Speaker 2: in twelve years, and he was like, oh really, oh 567 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:47,960 Speaker 2: we're gonna go there. Well, let's just throw down then. 568 00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:52,480 Speaker 3: So one thing that was in the back of my 569 00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:56,640 Speaker 3: mind for the whole two hours of that debate as 570 00:28:56,640 --> 00:29:01,280 Speaker 3: it was going on, you had these seven people on stage, 571 00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:04,480 Speaker 3: and the only one that I can really recall other 572 00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:08,920 Speaker 3: than Chris Christie, but for him that doesn't really But 573 00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:11,719 Speaker 3: the only one who was really pointing out that the 574 00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:15,640 Speaker 3: leading Republican contender didn't even feel the need to show up, yep, 575 00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:20,160 Speaker 3: was Ron DeSantis. And beyond that, if you're really running 576 00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:25,240 Speaker 3: for president and you're in the Republican primary presidential debate, 577 00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:28,160 Speaker 3: there is no other Republican primary debate, meaning you know, 578 00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:31,760 Speaker 3: there's like it's not like two different sports leagues, right, 579 00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:33,600 Speaker 3: like this is the one you go to. This you're 580 00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:37,400 Speaker 3: not going at all. The people on that stage. This 581 00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:38,960 Speaker 3: is why I said, I think only one of them 582 00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:42,160 Speaker 3: is really running for president seem to have no problem 583 00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:45,200 Speaker 3: with the disrespect that they should feel from Donald Trump, 584 00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:48,120 Speaker 3: not even feeling like he has to show up and 585 00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:50,960 Speaker 3: not being willing to. There was no talk about COVID, 586 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:54,080 Speaker 3: no talk about the COVID spending, no talk about what 587 00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:58,760 Speaker 3: happened in twenty twenty. If you're a Republican primary contender 588 00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:02,240 Speaker 3: and you're not going going to go after Trump on 589 00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:07,520 Speaker 3: what happened in twenty twenty really and what results did 590 00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:09,120 Speaker 3: he really get versus what he promised? 591 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:11,600 Speaker 1: How are you running for president? Like a better way 592 00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:12,160 Speaker 1: of putting. 593 00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:13,840 Speaker 3: It is why are you running for president? And this 594 00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:16,160 Speaker 3: has always been my problem with the vague The vege 595 00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:18,360 Speaker 3: is like Trump is awesome, a plus, I love him. 596 00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:20,440 Speaker 3: It's like, okay, well he's already been president and he 597 00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:21,920 Speaker 3: wants to be president again, what are you doing in 598 00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:23,600 Speaker 3: the way I want him to be my advisor? 599 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:23,840 Speaker 6: No? 600 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:27,120 Speaker 3: Sorry, no one's buying that. So that's what I felt 601 00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:30,040 Speaker 3: like last night. Ron DeSantis will go after Trump. Ron 602 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:33,160 Speaker 3: DeSantis will say he's not you know, man enough or 603 00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:35,280 Speaker 3: whatever it is to show up and actually debate. 604 00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:37,640 Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Clay like, yeah, well I 605 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:37,880 Speaker 1: mean that. 606 00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:41,880 Speaker 2: That to me goes to the question here that is 607 00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:44,280 Speaker 2: the most important question coming out of the second debate, 608 00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:45,960 Speaker 2: and this is something that the R and C is 609 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:49,280 Speaker 2: going to have to figure out. Why would any of 610 00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:52,760 Speaker 2: these people drop out? They're not going to And that 611 00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:55,680 Speaker 2: to me, Dana Perino is getting criticized for her final 612 00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:58,200 Speaker 2: question like who would you vote off? That was a 613 00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:00,280 Speaker 2: big moment. We can we come back to that think 614 00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:03,320 Speaker 2: I think that's important. But that is the biggest question 615 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:05,840 Speaker 2: that actually needs to be asked coming out of the 616 00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,640 Speaker 2: second debate is why are any of these people going 617 00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:09,320 Speaker 2: to drop out? 618 00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:13,240 Speaker 1: Well, she wasn't like who should She's like should be exiled? Yeah? 619 00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:16,000 Speaker 1: Who should? She went Survivor style like who would you vote? 620 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:16,600 Speaker 1: Off the island? 621 00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:19,160 Speaker 3: Which which was mean because anyway, it's just like it 622 00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:21,520 Speaker 3: was just gonna get very petty. Well, we'll get into that. Actually, 623 00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:23,080 Speaker 3: we'll probably do we come back. 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It's also a great way to show your 676 00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:57,200 Speaker 3: support for the show and all folks working on it. 677 00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:03,440 Speaker 3: Linda writes that debate was horrible, bad questions, bad management. 678 00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:07,120 Speaker 3: I love Tucker's interviews that the candidates much better, more informative. 679 00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:10,400 Speaker 1: This was just sound bites and cringey. Haley and Pence 680 00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:13,480 Speaker 1: were super annoying. It is obvious no one there, including 681 00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:16,560 Speaker 1: the moderators, wanted to give Viveke a chance. The requirements 682 00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:18,959 Speaker 1: to get on stage should be much higher with less 683 00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:23,680 Speaker 1: candidates than no talking over people think. I think that's right. 684 00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:25,840 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm trying to put a. 685 00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:28,799 Speaker 3: Lot in there, but I don't do you feel like 686 00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:32,400 Speaker 3: they were trying to box box in Viveke. 687 00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:35,640 Speaker 1: I didn't really pick up on that. I didn't. 688 00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:39,399 Speaker 2: I felt like, again from the moment you start, I'm 689 00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:44,760 Speaker 2: big on starting the tone that you set for the debate. 690 00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:48,200 Speaker 2: When they started with auto worker strike and then followed 691 00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:51,719 Speaker 2: it up with government shutdown, I thought that it just 692 00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:54,120 Speaker 2: set the first twenty five or thirty minutes of the 693 00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:57,279 Speaker 2: debate off on the foot of again. I would bet 694 00:34:57,440 --> 00:34:59,520 Speaker 2: ninety five percent of the people that are listening to 695 00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:02,600 Speaker 2: us right now now those are not two issues that 696 00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:05,960 Speaker 2: you are focused on when it comes to deciding who 697 00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:09,920 Speaker 2: you are going to support going forward. And I actually 698 00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:14,080 Speaker 2: thought inflation. I mean it's a Fox business debate ostensibly 699 00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:16,400 Speaker 2: I want to know about the business. I mean we 700 00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:21,160 Speaker 2: got very few questions about business related economic related issues. 701 00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:23,560 Speaker 2: I would open straight up. I mean they even said 702 00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:25,319 Speaker 2: in the intro and I was like, okay, this is good. 703 00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:28,520 Speaker 2: Cost of goods are up eighteen percent, which is the 704 00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:31,440 Speaker 2: number one story I think for why so many people. 705 00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:33,480 Speaker 2: Every time you go to the grocery store, every time 706 00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:35,480 Speaker 2: you go to a fast food restaurant, every time you 707 00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:36,359 Speaker 2: go to fill up with gas. 708 00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:37,200 Speaker 1: I went and filled up. 709 00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:40,120 Speaker 2: With gas this morning Buck gas station by my house 710 00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:45,040 Speaker 2: almost four dollars a gallon. I mean, it is continuing 711 00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:49,160 Speaker 2: to rise everywhere when it comes to what it's going 712 00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:51,720 Speaker 2: to cost, and premium was up almost to five dollars 713 00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:55,440 Speaker 2: a gallon. Like this is something that is really hitting 714 00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:57,759 Speaker 2: everyday Americans. We didn't get a question about it. 715 00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:01,719 Speaker 3: Jay in Jersey, have you got for us? 716 00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:02,799 Speaker 5: Yeah? 717 00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:06,400 Speaker 4: Hi, guys. I thought the debate last night was awful. 718 00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:09,640 Speaker 4: You know, it was just it was so stupid. I 719 00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:13,960 Speaker 4: actually thought that DeSantis brought it up the sawn last night, 720 00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:16,160 Speaker 4: that maybe there could be a one on one debate. 721 00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:20,400 Speaker 4: It was DeSantis and Trump that would actually be worth watching. Yes, 722 00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:23,439 Speaker 4: something that could see. 723 00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:24,600 Speaker 1: I think. 724 00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:27,520 Speaker 3: Look, if I am on the DeSantis thank you so 725 00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:29,600 Speaker 3: much for the call Jay play. If if I were 726 00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:33,600 Speaker 3: like a DeSantis campaign person, I would say that Ron 727 00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:35,520 Speaker 3: should just start saying, you know, you know what a 728 00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:36,959 Speaker 3: boxer wants, the title fight. 729 00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:39,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, and says you know he's ducking me. He's ducking me. 730 00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:40,680 Speaker 1: He won't not that. 731 00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:42,799 Speaker 3: Not that Trump should show off on a stage with 732 00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:46,040 Speaker 3: six people, because that's a mess Trump and DeSantis. 733 00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:48,359 Speaker 1: DeSantis should be pushing for that. 734 00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:50,240 Speaker 3: I don't know if he'll get it, but he should 735 00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:54,240 Speaker 3: be pushing for DeSantis also just ted off on Trump 736 00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:56,480 Speaker 3: on a big way on Fox News. 737 00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:58,759 Speaker 1: We've got the audio. We'll play it for you when 738 00:36:58,800 --> 00:36:59,319 Speaker 1: we come back. 739 00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:00,719 Speaker 4: F