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Speaker 1: I like, at least we're on American or that. That's

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Speaker 1: also what Trump staff does. I know, we've all been

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Speaker 1: living in the shadow of his tweets for gosh, a

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Speaker 1: couple of years now. Coming up Virginia governor and Bezos

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Speaker 1: first Trump. It's getting interesting. Plus, Kevin Walling, Democrat strategist,

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Speaker 1: is going to weigh in on how to create the

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Speaker 1: perfect opposition add a negative attack ad. I'm Kevin Sirelli.

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Speaker 1: You can check us out on Apple iTunes. Just search

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Speaker 1: Sound on with Kevin serially on Bloomberg one and one

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Speaker 1: oh five point seven f M h D two Baltimore,

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Speaker 1: shot and incredibly disappointed. This awful week for Virginia. Awful

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Speaker 1: week for Virginia, spoken from Senator Mark Warner, a Democrat

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Speaker 1: from Virginia. Of course, Governor Ralph Northam, the Democrat governor

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Speaker 1: it if he did resign, are each mired in a

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Speaker 1: their heads and wondering how did we get here and

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Speaker 1: what is going to happen next. Kevin Walling is a

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Speaker 1: Democratic strategist. Bob c Zack is editor in chief of

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Speaker 1: The Hill, and Kevin, I mean, when is this going

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Speaker 1: to end? I don't know. It's like every day is

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Speaker 1: a new revelation. Of course, as we're going to air tonight,

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Speaker 1: we're seeing a second accusation about the current Lieutenant counter

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Speaker 1: justin Fairfax, uh involving an alleged rape when he was

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Speaker 1: in terms of of updates from Richmond. So, as someone

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Speaker 1: if I mean right, but take us in the room.

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Speaker 1: I mean seriously, take us in the room. If you're

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Speaker 1: an advisor to Governor North, what what are his status? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And we do a lot of crisis communications with you know,

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Speaker 1: incumbents and challengers when when things come down and then

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Speaker 1: and the first piece of advice we always give is

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Speaker 1: is to come clean about everything right. It will come

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Speaker 1: out right no matter what. In terms of folks researching

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Speaker 1: your background and that press conference. You know, Bob and

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Speaker 1: I were talking about how terrible that initial press conference

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Speaker 1: then walked that back, said he wore black face at

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Speaker 1: that is exhibit a of everything you should not do

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Speaker 1: when dealing with this crisis. So again, the truth wins

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Speaker 1: out no matter what. And everyone needs especially with justin

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Speaker 1: Fairfax too, if there's accusations like this, he needs to

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Speaker 1: how I'm not going to ask if you're in the

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Speaker 1: What is the mood I mean, is it people presenting?

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Speaker 1: Is that people saying these are your options? And is

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Speaker 1: the principle or the politician, whether it's a CEO or politician,

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Speaker 1: are they taking notes? Is I mean? Is everyone different?

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Speaker 1: Take us in the Every situation is different. It's it's

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Speaker 1: also based on the outsize role that a spouse or

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Speaker 1: all depends on what the scandal involves. If it's a

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Speaker 1: personal nature, if it's a financial nature, there's certain ways

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Speaker 1: to come out clean right from the outset with any

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Speaker 1: all right. Bob, speaking of other political scandals, Bezos verse Trump,

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Speaker 1: National Enquirer. Addition, you've got Jeff Bezos saying that the

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Speaker 1: National Enquirer had photographs of him compromising photos. Thank you

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Speaker 1: for that, Bob, my my former boss, helping me out

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Speaker 1: there with the terminology. Appreciate that's politically correct. Thank you,

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Speaker 1: thank you, I appreciate it. Uh Okay, so they've got

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Speaker 1: he was blackmailed. No, now it's this back and forth. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean it was. It was quite a bold move

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Speaker 1: It's a very good GA haven't seen it. I'd recommend it,

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Speaker 1: but but it was a bold move and it actually,

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Speaker 1: there has been this ongoing feud between Bezos and Trump

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Speaker 1: and and Trump trying to jack they're what they're paying

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Speaker 1: for postal rates. I mean, it's it's so personal between

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Speaker 1: the Washington Post and Trump and but this Bezos thing,

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Speaker 1: that's why it is the story of the day because

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Speaker 1: it's so highly unusual and the National enquiry. You know,

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Speaker 1: in Washington, you don't put stuff in writing. And just

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Speaker 1: because you say it's confidential, and there were some misspellings there.

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Speaker 1: I think I'm confidential. That doesn't mean you have to

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Speaker 1: keep it confidential. Um. And and I do think that

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Speaker 1: the Bezos made the right move. Um. But where it

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Speaker 1: goes from here, who knows. Well, and it also just

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Speaker 1: President Trump, president Trump's attacks on Amazon. I mean, it

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Speaker 1: really is quite remarkable to see whether the President of

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Speaker 1: the most dominant US company is just absolutely like a

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Speaker 1: blood sport going ahead it. Yeah, and remember David Pecker,

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Speaker 1: the National Choir, has flipped and is cooperating in the

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Speaker 1: investigations of that alleged hush money uh with Stormy Daniels

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Speaker 1: and another model. So it's just a bizarre situation and

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Speaker 1: there was It does seem to be quite a pack

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Speaker 1: between the National Choir and President Trump because uh, David

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Speaker 1: Pecker of The Inquirer and Trump go back a long

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Speaker 1: time and basically, uh, they were and that what That's

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Speaker 1: what got Michael Cone, and that's why I think Michael

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Speaker 1: Cone is one of the most dangerous people. There have

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Speaker 1: been about half a dozen depends on how you count

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Speaker 1: people who have flipped on Trump, but Cone knows everything.

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Speaker 1: Especially I think that's actually an overlook thing because Juliani

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Speaker 1: and the White House can say, well, listen that he

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Speaker 1: was just trying to keep it a secret, had nothing

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Speaker 1: to do with the campaign. But if David Pecker of

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Speaker 1: The inquire says no, no no, no, no, no, We've got

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Speaker 1: I I would just say, like, to be completely completely

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Speaker 1: honest that when the National Inquirer first was brought into

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Speaker 1: this debate, I'm like, who reads the National Inquirer. Isn't

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Speaker 1: that the thing with like the Godzilla and like the

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Speaker 1: Spaceboy and Bigfoot? And but then you uncover the business

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Speaker 1: and and the business model behind it, and and now

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Speaker 1: you're in a situation where Jeff Bezos is going through

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Speaker 1: a divorce and is tweeting out I mean, and and

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Speaker 1: that I think has really injected the business media, Wall Street, Washington,

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Speaker 1: all of this cessed pool in this particular moment. I

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Speaker 1: don't think we can we can overplay it enough. No,

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Speaker 1: And when you have visuals, whatever they are, whether photos

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Speaker 1: And and I can't speak for all the alien UFOs

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Speaker 1: stories of the Inquirer has done. However, they did uncover

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Speaker 1: the John Edwards story, uh, you know, and that and

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Speaker 1: then they really started the reporting on that, and of

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Speaker 1: course everyone followed now nowadays, Uh, everyone follows, so uh

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Speaker 1: certainly if these photos were released, the media would report

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Speaker 1: why I tried to turn the tables, and I think

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Speaker 1: he did. And as a crisis communications guy, keV, I mean,

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Speaker 1: when you're looking at Bezos's decision to tweak this out,

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Speaker 1: do you think there was a lot of I mean,

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Speaker 1: take us again, behind the scenes. There obviously is a

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Speaker 1: lot of thought that goes into that, a meeting that

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Speaker 1: goes into that. It's not just like he's gonna sit

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Speaker 1: so take us there. I mean, is that that now

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Speaker 1: a strategy nowadays to come out? Absolutely? And I think

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Speaker 1: it was. It's gonna play out to be a winning edgy.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you have the most wealthiest man in the world. Now,

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Speaker 1: people can feel his situation on this, They can emphasize,

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Speaker 1: you know, they can feel empathy towards him because you know,

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Speaker 1: similar folks have been in these situations in terms of

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Speaker 1: blackmail and private conversations that get released. So now he

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Speaker 1: is someone that you can relate to as part of

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Speaker 1: the situation, and not the wealthiest man in the world,

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Speaker 1: but someone who wants to protect his privacy. And I

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Speaker 1: think that was a stroke of got less than a

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Speaker 1: minute left. What is the worst nastiest attack that you've

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Speaker 1: ever made? I can't go into that. So I never

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Speaker 1: made air, um never made everything. We stay stay positive,

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Speaker 1: We stay positive. Gosh okay, coming up next week where

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Speaker 1: government shutdown China trade talks and Senator Joe Manchin, he's

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Speaker 1: gonna come on on Tuesday thinking about Cusack. My own boss.

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Speaker 1: Very grateful for him and for him coming on Editor

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Speaker 1: of the Hill, and of course Kevin Walling, Democratic Strategist.

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Speaker 1: and have a great weekend everybody. Hopefully we don't get

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