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Speaker 1: What do we have Crystal? Indeed, we do a lot

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Speaker 1: of big stories to get to this morning. First of all,

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Speaker 1: it is primary day in both Pennsylvania and North Carolina

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Speaker 1: start with. But also we have new comments from Elon

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Speaker 1: appears to be further enabling potential corruption of our elected officials.

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Speaker 1: So I will break that down for you. Sager is

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Speaker 1: is primary day in Pennsylvania. In particular, the marquee race

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Speaker 1: Doug Mastriano. I mean, he's got do these bizarre events

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Speaker 1: where they hire security guards to like rough the press

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Speaker 1: or like keep the press out, and it's like, what

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Speaker 1: are you afraid of? You know? I mean the thing

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Speaker 1: about Trump was that he welcomed the press to come

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Speaker 1: as close to him as possible and he would spar

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Speaker 1: with them. But they're all seemingly terrified if people who

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Speaker 1: are recording their actual events. I just think it demonstrates

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Speaker 1: the lack of candidate quality whenever you get really trumpy.

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Speaker 1: And look, here's the other thing with Mostriano. This guy

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Speaker 1: is a full blown stop the Steel guy who wants

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Speaker 1: to fire Pennsylvania elected election officials who certified the twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty election. And I do think you should believe somebody

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Speaker 1: like that whenever they say it if they're possibly going

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Speaker 1: to be the next governor of the state, as did.

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Speaker 1: People in Pennsylvania do agree with that decision. I found

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Speaker 1: it interesting to watch how all of the candidates are

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Speaker 1: handling stop the Steal. So McCormick is willing to really

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Speaker 1: debase himself and be like, yeah, it was stolen. But

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Speaker 1: I watched Oz yesterday in an interview and he's like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: we need voter ID. We don't except it's like, I

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Speaker 1: understand why people don't trust results, but they're like, okay,

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Speaker 1: but do you think the election was stolen? He goes, look,

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Speaker 1: I have to be careful here. We just need voter ID.

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Speaker 1: So he won't even really come out and say it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, that's probably the best way in order

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Speaker 1: to handle something so patently ludicrous. But what I'm pointing

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Speaker 1: to is that when you have Kathy and Doug willing

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Speaker 1: to just go full board, that's going to be a

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Speaker 1: political liability in the fall in an actual fifty to

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Speaker 1: fifty state. Just consider Trump almost won Pennsylvania. I think

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Speaker 1: it really is as close to it down the line

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Speaker 1: it is. It is the quintessential swing state. So this

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Speaker 1: is not a gimme for Republicans. They could very easily

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Speaker 1: screw this up. And you make a great point about Mastriano,

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Speaker 1: which is that, listen, he hasn't just like rhetorically supported

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Speaker 1: stop the Steal. He was involved in the process of

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Speaker 1: trying to decertify the Pennsylvania election results, and it has

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Speaker 1: been very adamant that, yeah, he wants to make these

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Speaker 1: changes to basically take the vote out of your hands

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Speaker 1: and put it in the hands of the legislature so

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Speaker 1: they can just decide which candidate they want to back.

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Speaker 1: That's insane. And when you couple that with, you know,

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Speaker 1: the extreme abortion positions, which are out of step with

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Speaker 1: where the sort of Pennsylvania mainstream is as well. And

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Speaker 1: if you add to that, if you have him and

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Speaker 1: Barnett at the top of the ticket. Yeah, I think

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Speaker 1: you could be putting the seat in jeopardy for for Republicans.

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Speaker 1: And you know, on the other side, Fetterman is tested.

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Speaker 1: He's obviously been held in state wide office, He's got

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Speaker 1: a pretty high approval rating, he's obviously got a pretty

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Speaker 1: easy even though he just suffered from a stroke, it

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Speaker 1: still looks very much like he's going to kind of

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Speaker 1: cruise to getting the Democratic nomination he's got, you know,

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Speaker 1: and he also kind of goes against Democratic type in

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Speaker 1: terms of how he looks. He's this big, he's like

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Speaker 1: what six foot seven or seven vs. Like ridiculously tall.

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Speaker 1: He's the mayor of a steel town. He knows how

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Speaker 1: to talk to regular people. So he's no slouch in

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Speaker 1: terms of being a good candidate for the Democrats as well.

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Speaker 1: He's probably one of their better candidates that they're running

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Speaker 1: across the country. So that's why all of this matters

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Speaker 1: a lot, and it's pretty interesting. There is one other

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Speaker 1: race that I wanted to highlight for you that also

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Speaker 1: is part of a broader trend, this one on the

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Speaker 1: Democratic side. So there's an open seat in the Pittsburgh

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Speaker 1: area and a state representative who's on the left. She's

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Speaker 1: like a Bernie supporter named Summer Lee, who I think

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Speaker 1: we interviewed at Rising, but I'm not one hundred percent sure.

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Speaker 1: She and two other women. It was a very interesting story.

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Speaker 1: She had two other women almost ran as like a

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Speaker 1: slate and sort of, you know, puoled their resources and

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Speaker 1: shocked everyone by taking out these establishment like corrupt good

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Speaker 1: old boys that were representing some key districts in Pennsylvania,

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Speaker 1: one of them being a district near Pittsburgh. So this

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Speaker 1: sort of they sort of came out of nowhere, surprised

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Speaker 1: everybody was able to win these seats. She's now been

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Speaker 1: in the state House for a couple of terms now,

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Speaker 1: so she decides she's going to run for this open

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Speaker 1: congressional seat that's currently held by Mike Doyle I think

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Speaker 1: is the dude's name. And it looks very much like

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Speaker 1: a kind of a walk in the park. She's up by,

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Speaker 1: you know, like thirty points. It's getting close to election day,

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Speaker 1: and then lo and behold some of the same packs

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Speaker 1: that drop millions of dollars on Nina Turner and smeared

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Speaker 1: her as effectively an anti semite. Well guess what they're

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Speaker 1: doing the same thing now to Summerly. Let's go ahead

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Speaker 1: and put this tear sheet up on the screen. It

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Speaker 1: says this is from Jewish Insider. They say echoes of

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Speaker 1: Ohio eleven in heated Pittsburgh House race. They point out

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Speaker 1: the fact that Summer leaves she's elected, she'd be Pennsylvania's

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Speaker 1: first black congresswoman. Think about for a second what Democrats

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Speaker 1: say in terms of supporting black women, and then when

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Speaker 1: you actually have potential first black women congressman from Pennsylvania,

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Speaker 1: they are and their allies dumping millions of dollars to

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Speaker 1: make sure that doesn't happen. This is a solid Democratic seat.

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Speaker 1: Whoever wins the primary is ultimately going to be the

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Speaker 1: member of Congress. So they're propping up this dude named

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Speaker 1: Steve Irwin. He's an attorney. He's a total sort of

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Speaker 1: like corporatis centrist type. And it's not just it's two

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Speaker 1: of pro Israel packs. One of them is a new

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Speaker 1: pack from a pack and the other one is this

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Speaker 1: DMFI that Democrats Democratic Majority for Israel pack that was

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Speaker 1: very influential in terms of Nina Turner's race. Let's go

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Speaker 1: ahead and put this next tear sheet up on the screen.

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Speaker 1: This is from Jeff Weaver, who was the longest serving

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Speaker 1: aid of Bernie Sanders, just pointing out that, you know,

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Speaker 1: while people aren't really paying attention, the Democratic Party establishment

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Speaker 1: is doing everything they can to defeat anyone who might

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Speaker 1: be you know, progressive, who might cause any problems from

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Speaker 1: leadership and be anything but completely lockstep. Let's put this

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Speaker 1: last piece up on the screen. That's reporting from the

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Speaker 1: intercept from Akila Lacey here about how two pro Israel

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Speaker 1: groups is spent close to three million dollars to fight

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Speaker 1: state repsum release primary campaign in PA twelve. Some of

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Speaker 1: the people of the highest levels of Democratic Party politics

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Speaker 1: have no idea what these groups are and what their

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Speaker 1: political goals are. So soccer, it's sort of like the

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Speaker 1: Nina Turner race. Not this cycle, but last cycle ended

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Speaker 1: up being the model. Because Nina, very much like Summer,

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Speaker 1: was up by thirty points on chan Tell Brown. It

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Speaker 1: looked like it was going to be a cakewalk, and

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Speaker 1: then all of this money, specifically from these pro Israel

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Speaker 1: groups flooded into the district. Some of the messaging was

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Speaker 1: actually about Israel trying to paint Nina as an anti Semite,

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Speaker 1: but some of it had nothing to do with Israel ultimately,

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Speaker 1: and it was surfacing her Biden comments in all of this,

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Speaker 1: and it worked in that case, and it's been very

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Speaker 1: effective here too. There isn't a ton of public polling

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Speaker 1: in this race right now, but where Summer Lee was

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Speaker 1: holding a comfortable double digit lead, the very latest polling

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Speaker 1: has her tide right now for the nomination. So this

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Speaker 1: is the new playbook and it's been very effective. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's interesting to me because I remember this back in

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Speaker 1: the day there was a Democratic majority for Israel pack

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Speaker 1: with Paul Bagala who was on the board, and he

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Speaker 1: would just use it kind of as a cash cot

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Speaker 1: in order to go after whichever can did that he wants.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure we'll talk about this on the Thursday show.

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Speaker 1: Didn't make it in for today, But there's all that

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Speaker 1: stuff going on in New York with the redistrict. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: getting struck down is fascinating, but you can also see

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Speaker 1: who gets to get run against who, what's allowed all

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Speaker 1: of that just previewing a little bit of that. So

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Speaker 1: I think it's a fascinating story in the inter democratic

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Speaker 1: wars as well. Yeah, I mean, look, it worked once,

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Speaker 1: not just once. I just I think it's worked many

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Speaker 1: times over, and I wonder if it's going to work

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Speaker 1: this time around, because this doesn't have quite as much attention,

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Speaker 1: but it's still very much could sway over and there's

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Speaker 1: a significant there is a significant Jewish population in this district.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, I mean again, I just want to underscore

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Speaker 1: next time Democrats talk about how they center black women,

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Speaker 1: they care about black women and all of this stuff,

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Speaker 1: like just remember they're spending millions to prop up a

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Speaker 1: white dude, you know who happens to back their ideological

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Speaker 1: agenda over what would be the first black women congressman

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Speaker 1: from Pennsylvania, Just showing you that all of their rhetoric,

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Speaker 1: ultimately they are as ideological as it comes. It's all

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Speaker 1: about just making sure that they're going to have a

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Speaker 1: reliable vote to keep all of their eighty year old

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Speaker 1: asses in leadership and all of their consultant industrial complex

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Speaker 1: grift going. And the very fact that you might have

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Speaker 1: someone who might possibly have something to say that's critical

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Speaker 1: of their leadership and can't one hundred percent be counted

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Speaker 1: on for every single vote to do whatever you tell

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Speaker 1: them to do. They will do anything to make sure

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Speaker 1: that doesn't happen. So that's one other thing to watch tonight.

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Speaker 1: There we go. All right, let's move on to this

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Speaker 1: some dizzying comments here on Elon Musk in terms of

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Speaker 1: breaking news this morning. Here's what we can report, which

597
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Speaker 1: is that Elon says that he will only proceed with

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Speaker 1: his forty four billion dollar takeover of Twitter if Twitter

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Speaker 1: can prove that less than five percent of its users

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Speaker 1: are bots. So we explained a little bit of this

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Speaker 1: yesterday and let's put this up there on the screen.

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Speaker 1: There's a big spat between Elon and Parag Agarwall. Parag

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Speaker 1: put out a multi post thread about determining spam bots

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Speaker 1: and explaining his own proprietary methodology to determine that five

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Speaker 1: percent or so of the people on Twitter are actually bots. Now,

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Speaker 1: Elon replied to this with a literal poop emoji in

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Speaker 1: terms of shit posting and replied to this, which I

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Speaker 1: think is the crux of the matter. So, how do

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Speaker 1: advertisers know what they're getting for their money? This is

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Speaker 1: fundamental to the financial health of Twitter. Now here's why

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Speaker 1: it matters. Elon has very high revenue targets that he

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Speaker 1: has to hit per promised things to his investors. Who

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Speaker 1: have now promised him tens of billions of dollars in

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Speaker 1: his potential takeover of the company. Now we're in the

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Speaker 1: closing due diligence phase where they're going through the books

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Speaker 1: and Elon is like, Okay, let's see if there actually

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Speaker 1: is five percent or whatever of the users that are bots.

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Speaker 1: Now you can also couple with that with the fact

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Speaker 1: that Tesla stock is down some twenty percent in the

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Speaker 1: last month. I believe that Tesla stock is the predominance

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Speaker 1: of Elon's wealth and also what he was borrowing against

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Speaker 1: whenever it came to the money that he was going

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Speaker 1: to use in order to finance this entire deal. Also,

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Speaker 1: all of his other investors are also venture capitalists and

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Speaker 1: rich people who also rely on a complex, you know,

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Speaker 1: margin lending system in order to access a lot of

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Speaker 1: this capital. Now here's the other thing. Elon gave an

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Speaker 1: interview yesterday to the All In podcast. Let's put this

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Speaker 1: up there on the screen. Now here's what he was

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Speaker 1: talking about. He says, the more questions I ask, the

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Speaker 1: more my concerns grow. Could it be done at a

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Speaker 1: lower price? Maybe, he continues, I was relying on public filings.

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Speaker 1: So the reason that This matters is that he is

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Speaker 1: saying and essentially accusing Twitter publicly of lying to him

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Speaker 1: about the number of bots that are on the platform

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Speaker 1: and lying to that and lying to the SEC, lying

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Speaker 1: to investors, lying to the world, which I mean, I

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Speaker 1: believe that, I certainly believe that that's possible or right.

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Speaker 1: Here's the thing about these fake statistics. They can Parag's

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Speaker 1: thread was, you know, creating this complex methodology and just

641
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Speaker 1: conveniently arrives around five percent. I'm like, listen, you know

642
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Speaker 1: the way and how you define a bot, you know,

643
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Speaker 1: in terms of the posting schedule, etc. I'm sure can

644
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 1: inflate it whichever way you want. Well, he also was

645
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 1: trying to because Elon had said I'm going to do

646
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 1: We're going to take one hundred random accounts and we're

647
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Speaker 1: going to test it to see at the bots, and

648
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 1: you guys should do the same. And so the other

649
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:19,360
Speaker 1: thing Prague was trying to do is say, you can't

650
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Speaker 1: do it with just publicly available data. You got to

651
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Speaker 1: have what we have on the back end, because you

652
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 1: may see an account that looks like it's like a

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Speaker 1: first name and a string of numbers, and it looks

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00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 1: like and they've got weird tweets and it looks like

655
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Speaker 1: a bot, but when we look on the back end,

656
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 1: there's good reason to believe that it's actually a real person. Right,

657
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 1: So look, I have no idea, all right, The point

658
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:40,280
Speaker 1: is is that is this about bots or is this

659
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 1: about negotiation? Obviously I'm willing to bet a lot of

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00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 1: this is about negotiation. Let's put this up there on

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00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:48,760
Speaker 1: the screen from my friend Alex Cantowest. He says, the

662
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:51,960
Speaker 1: Musk negotiation playbook, make offer, agreed to deal, wait for

663
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 1: market softness, devalue the asset via public disparassment, pay half,

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Speaker 1: and guess what it's working. Twitter stock is significantly down

665
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 1: in the process. And just looking at the transcript of

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Speaker 1: the All In podcast, it's very interesting because Elon says,

667
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 1: I'm still waiting for some sort of logical explanation for

668
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 1: the number of fake or spam accounts on Twitter. Twitter

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00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:13,279
Speaker 1: is refusing to tell us. So this just seems like

670
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 1: a strange thing. Jason Kalkanis asked him specifically. They say

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Speaker 1: Elon that life is a negotiation, so at a different price,

672
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 1: it might be totally viable to deal. Correct, Elon, it

673
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:24,800
Speaker 1: is not out of the question. But the more questions

674
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:27,279
Speaker 1: I ask, the more my concerns are growing. At the

675
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 1: end of the day, it has to be fixable within

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00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:32,279
Speaker 1: a reasonable timeframe, without revenues collapsing along the way and

677
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:34,319
Speaker 1: all of that stuff. I really need to see how

678
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:36,799
Speaker 1: these things are being calculated. It can't be some deep

679
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:39,239
Speaker 1: mystery that is more complex than the human soul. I

680
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:41,440
Speaker 1: think we can apply the scientific method and try to

681
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:43,880
Speaker 1: figure out what's really going on. So I think that

682
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,319
Speaker 1: in the context of the market crash, it makes a

683
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:47,879
Speaker 1: hell of a lot of sense in order to use

684
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Speaker 1: whatever leverage that you can in order to close this

685
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:52,839
Speaker 1: deal at a much lower price. Elon not only has

686
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 1: less capital available to him compared to how much he

687
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 1: was worth just a month ago, but Twitter stock is

688
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 1: also down significantly as well. And here's the other thing,

689
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 1: what are these people going to do now? I said

690
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:07,360
Speaker 1: yesterday about the breakup fee, there's some interesting analysis. Stoler

691
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 1: actually sent me a message this morning, which is that

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Speaker 1: the musk is it's not his only problem. He actually

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Speaker 1: has to pay that only if the financing falls through

694
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Speaker 1: or if regulators block the deal, but if he voluntarily

695
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:21,279
Speaker 1: walks away, he is actually theoretically on the hook for

696
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Speaker 1: all forty four billion and can be soon in a

697
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:27,399
Speaker 1: Delaware chancery court. That was the same analysis given. Well,

698
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 1: probably not, though if he can credibly argue that they were,

699
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 1: they lied in their public filings that he was facing

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Speaker 1: his decision making on right right. Here's the thing. Look,

701
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:40,279
Speaker 1: we're not lawyers, we have no idea, and I bet

702
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 1: you can contest this case all the way to the

703
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:44,479
Speaker 1: bank for billions and billions of dollars on both sides

704
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:47,319
Speaker 1: and legal Yeah, So my guess would be that this

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00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 1: is some sort of negotiating contract. Ben Thompson also had

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00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 1: a newsletter out this morning from Stir Trechery. He says

707
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 1: the contract gives Twitter the right to force Elon to

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00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 1: close the deal and to put up twenty seven point

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00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:01,439
Speaker 1: five billion dollars of equity that he personally committed as

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00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 1: long as his debt financing is available. So it does

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00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 1: seem that Twitter has some leverage on their side. I

712
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:09,240
Speaker 1: would put this in the terms of the Musk playbook,

713
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 1: in terms of publicly leveraging his immense popularity, brand and

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Speaker 1: megaphone in order to hammer the stock price and try

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00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:19,319
Speaker 1: and negotiate on the outside in order to bring the

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Speaker 1: price down maybe you know, by a couple billion dollars,

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00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 1: or maybe even more significantly than that, especially if he

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00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 1: can prove some sort of lie in the SEC filings

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00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:30,759
Speaker 1: which would then make them legally viable and bring that

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Speaker 1: all the way down. All of this is really just

721
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 1: a long way of saying that there's a complicated there's

722
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:39,440
Speaker 1: complicated stuff going on, and one thing to look past

723
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:42,239
Speaker 1: is this that producer James found will put this up

724
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:44,359
Speaker 1: there on the screen, which is that a long time

725
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:47,800
Speaker 1: Elon musk Backer says that the Twitter deal will close

726
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 1: at a lower price. I had so impressive eyebrows exactly. Yea,

727
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 1: he really does. So this is Tim Draper. He's an

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Speaker 1: early investor in both Tesla and Spasics, and he co

729
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 1: founded a venture capital firm that's actually sinking one hundred

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Speaker 1: million dollars into the bid. Here's what he said when

731
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 1: he was asked about whether the Twitter deal will close

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00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:06,759
Speaker 1: at a lower price. He says, I think so. I

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00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:08,800
Speaker 1: think he's going to get a better deal because he

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00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 1: found out whatever two thirds of users are bots or something.

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Speaker 1: So this is somebody who is committing equity to the deal.

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Speaker 1: We don't necessarily know how much he has, but at

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00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:19,319
Speaker 1: the very least it is somebody who has his own

738
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Speaker 1: money on the line who's backing Elon's venture here, and

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00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:25,360
Speaker 1: all of this should be reviewed within that context. I

740
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:27,279
Speaker 1: got to say, this is probably the most exciting like

741
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 1: corporate takeover story that we've seen and like since the

742
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 1: eighties in terms of all the joy dramatic what's going on.

743
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 1: It's very dramatic. I mean, I think it's I don't

744
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:37,799
Speaker 1: think it's right that you should be able to and this.

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00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:40,799
Speaker 1: He's done this in the past, like manipulate markets with

746
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:43,920
Speaker 1: his statements, especially intentionally. I mean, this is what he's

747
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:46,320
Speaker 1: been accused of and actually had like a consent degree

748
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:49,320
Speaker 1: with the SEC about before. So it is a pattern

749
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 1: of behavior that I think is sort of gross. I mean,

750
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 1: he did this even with the initial announcement where he

751
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 1: didn't where we learned that he was five percent stakeholder

752
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:01,759
Speaker 1: or whatever it was. Yeah, he wasn't, didn't file that

753
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:04,799
Speaker 1: disclosure with the SEC, and was able to profit off

754
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:08,239
Speaker 1: of that delay and failure to file in time, with

755
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 1: his public comments again benefiting him. Listen, I have no

756
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 1: idea what this dude's intent is. I definitely don't take

757
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:15,919
Speaker 1: him at his word, there's no way that the real

758
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 1: problem here is the percent of bots on the platform.

759
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 1: And you know this because he's not even planning on

760
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:25,440
Speaker 1: using advertising revenue as the primary source of revenue moving forward.

761
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 1: His plan, which many analysts have said is not feasible

762
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:31,400
Speaker 1: and is unrealistic, is to get way more users on

763
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 1: the platform and then charge a subscription fee for a

764
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:36,439
Speaker 1: certain percent of those users, which, you know, that piece

765
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:38,239
Speaker 1: of it, to me, is not a bad direction to

766
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:40,399
Speaker 1: go in whatsoever, I think it would be a lot

767
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:43,680
Speaker 1: better if our social media networks, especially the ones critical

768
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 1: to free speech, were more dependent on treating you as

769
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 1: the customer versus these, you know, advertisers and the sort

770
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 1: of incentives that comes with just generating eyeballs for advertisers.

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00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:56,840
Speaker 1: So I don't mind that direction, but it just shows

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00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:59,920
Speaker 1: you that, you know, his business plan is not particularly

773
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:02,360
Speaker 1: dependent on whether he can jack up the price with

774
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:06,400
Speaker 1: advertisers or not. So ultimately, this is either a headfake

775
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 1: to you know, push a better negotiating position, try to

776
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 1: get a better deal now that Twitter stock is way

777
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 1: down and now that his net value is way less,

778
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:17,760
Speaker 1: or it could be also ultimately, if he can prove

779
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 1: that they have way more bots on the network than

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00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:23,560
Speaker 1: they were claiming. It could be an excuse to totally

781
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 1: walk away from the thing and say, you know what,

782
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 1: this is not feasible. Ultimately, I really have no idea.

783
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 1: I have no idea either. I do think that Twitter

784
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:32,799
Speaker 1: might be lying here, though, I mean just in terms

785
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 1: not okay, when I say lying misrepresentation, I mean they're

786
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 1: method I don't doubt that at all. But I also

787
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:39,839
Speaker 1: don't think that's a real Oh. I don't think it's

788
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 1: a real answer either. I'm also not going to shed

789
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 1: a tear for any of these investors on either side

790
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 1: of the other. So anyway, we'll give you guys updated. Yeah,

791
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 1: happening indeed. All right, So pretty significant SCOTUS decision came

792
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 1: down yesterday that I wanted to break down for you

793
00:39:56,040 --> 00:40:00,400
Speaker 1: guys that has some possibly significant ramifications in in terms

794
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:02,920
Speaker 1: of corruption and our political elits. Let's go ahead and

795
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:04,719
Speaker 1: throw the New York Times tear sheet up on the screen,

796
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:07,440
Speaker 1: they say. Supreme Court rules for Ted Cruz in campaign

797
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:09,880
Speaker 1: finance case. The Texas Senator challenged a federal law that

798
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Speaker 1: put a two hundred and fifty thousand dollars cap on

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Speaker 1: repayments of candidates loans to their campaigns using post election contributions.

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Speaker 1: So here's the sort of lead graph here. They say,

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Speaker 1: the Supreme Court ruled in favor of Senator Ted Cruz

802
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:26,480
Speaker 1: in a challenge to federal law that limits how political

803
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 1: campaigns can repay candidates for money they lend their own campaigns.

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Speaker 1: The ruling was the latest in a series of decisions

805
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 1: dismantling various aspects of campaign finance regulations on First Amendment grounds. Okay,

806
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:40,440
Speaker 1: so here's what happened. Ted Cruz sort of intended to

807
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 1: challenge this thing. So he lent himself. There's a He

808
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:48,839
Speaker 1: lent himself two hundred and sixty thousand dollars and the

809
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:50,920
Speaker 1: maximum amount you're allowed to pay yourself back is two

810
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:53,400
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty thousand dollars, with the intent of taking

811
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Speaker 1: this to the Supreme Court and saying this is unconstitutional.

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Speaker 1: Right now, you can lend yourself money, but there are

813
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Speaker 1: limitations on how much can be paid back and in

814
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Speaker 1: what timeframe. So in particular, you have only twenty days

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00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 1: to get paid back. And the reason for that is

816
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:11,880
Speaker 1: it makes a lot of sense because once you're in

817
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 1: office and you're not engaged in campaign and the money's

818
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 1: not like going back in a year out for TV

819
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Speaker 1: ads or whatever. Then you have an opportunity, if they're

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Speaker 1: paying you directly to pay your loan back, for donors

821
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:28,960
Speaker 1: to be directly contributing to your financial condition rather than

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00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 1: it being you know, this is going to ads, this

823
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:35,239
Speaker 1: is going to mailers, this is going to a field program. No. No,

824
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 1: when they're paying you back, this is money that is

825
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 1: going directly into your pocket. And previously you actually had

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Speaker 1: candidates who would not only pay themselves back, they would

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Speaker 1: charge very high interest for that loan. So from Vox

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00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:55,840
Speaker 1: there was a Democratic representative Grace and Politano made yourself

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00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty thousand dollars loan to her campaign

830
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:03,239
Speaker 1: at eighteen percent interest, and then so then she got

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Speaker 1: paid back. She did eventually reduce the interest rate to

832
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Speaker 1: ten percent, which is still a high rate. So when

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00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 1: she got paid back, it wasn't just that she was

834
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Speaker 1: being made whole from this loan. She was also turning

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Speaker 1: a profit from her donors. So you can see how

836
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:20,280
Speaker 1: this creates a problem in terms of potential corruption, because again,

837
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:23,839
Speaker 1: this money they're paying you back is not just you know,

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00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:27,759
Speaker 1: going to the campaign, This is going directly in the

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Speaker 1: politician's bank account. The discent here from Kagan. By the way,

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Speaker 1: it was a six ' to three decision along predictable

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00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 1: partisan lines. Kagan wrote the dissent, and she kind of

842
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:41,359
Speaker 1: lays out the problem here in what she was saying.

843
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:44,880
Speaker 1: She wrote, repaying a candidate's loan after he's won the

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Speaker 1: election cannot serve the usual purposes of a contribution. The

845
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 1: money comes too late to aid in any of his

846
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 1: campaign activities. All the money does is enrich the candidate

847
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:57,400
Speaker 1: personally at a time when he can return the favor

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Speaker 1: by a vote, a contract, and appointment. Take no political

849
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 1: genius to see the heightened risk of corruption, and even

850
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:08,360
Speaker 1: Cruse's lawyer here a little bit gave up the game

851
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 1: in the argument in front of the Supreme Course Court.

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00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:13,800
Speaker 1: When the case was argued in January, Charles Cooper, a

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00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:17,400
Speaker 1: lawyer for Cruz, said in his campaign said contributors should

854
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Speaker 1: be able to quote exercise the First Amendment right to

855
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:24,920
Speaker 1: associate with the winner and to hope that will result

856
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:27,680
Speaker 1: in the kind of influence and access that support for

857
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 1: a candidate begets so outright arguing like yeah, they should

858
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 1: basically be able to pay for access and pay for influence.

859
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:38,560
Speaker 1: That's what the First Amendment is all about. So that's

860
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:40,839
Speaker 1: the long and short of what this thing is. Yeah,

861
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:43,320
Speaker 1: you know, it's funny at the time of any Cony

862
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 1: Barrett and all of that. A point that we really

863
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 1: tried to make on our show was if you think

864
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 1: this is all about abortion, that's what just the voters

865
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 1: care about. Yes, in terms of what the people in

866
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:55,720
Speaker 1: this town care about, you're looking at it right here.

867
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 1: And in terms of the support that are in all

868
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:02,479
Speaker 1: the public outrage. Yeah, you're gonna be here about it here. Sure,

869
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:04,920
Speaker 1: there's articles written about it, they'll maybe spend two or

870
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 1: three minutes about this on cable news. And how many

871
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 1: people are really out there are going to think about

872
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:11,799
Speaker 1: it. It It has immense ramifications. I mean, there is a

873
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:15,319
Speaker 1: long standing principle with the Conservative Court, Citizens United on

874
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 1: Forward in order to basically make it so that there

875
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 1: are no legal there are basically no legal strictures on

876
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 1: campaign finance law. The ultimate goal, I believe is the

877
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 1: direct challenge to the McCain fine Gold Bill and the

878
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 1: actual contributions on individual donations. Now, look, as long as

879
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 1: transparency is there, the entire system is so corrupt and byzantine.

880
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 1: I would you be in favor of a total wholesale

881
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:42,320
Speaker 1: just changed all this because I think the current system

882
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:45,319
Speaker 1: is totally nuts. But as an ideological project, I don't

883
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 1: think you can mistake that this was not an accident.

884
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:50,800
Speaker 1: You know, Crews actually lent himself two hundred and sixty

885
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 1: thousand dollars, even though he had two million dollars throughout

886
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 1: the course of his campaign and easily could have by

887
00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:58,880
Speaker 1: the way his wife works for Goldman. He's personally a

888
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:01,279
Speaker 1: wealthy man like he didn't need to do any of this.

889
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 1: He did it specifically in order to challenge the constitutionality

890
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 1: of this bill. Not a surprise. I mean, he's probably

891
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:08,480
Speaker 1: the I think I believe before he was a senator

892
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:11,319
Speaker 1: was one of the most successful Supreme Court lawyers, as

893
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 1: in a person who argued case spenders court in modern

894
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:17,319
Speaker 1: American history. So you know, he's a legal mind in

895
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:20,360
Speaker 1: his own right and very much had this on the target.

896
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:22,960
Speaker 1: But it wasn't for Cruz. It was to set the precedent.

897
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 1: It was to strike down the law. And I think

898
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 1: my main concern is not on the ultra rich candidates

899
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:31,400
Speaker 1: or even the moderately rich carendidates like a Ted Cruz.

900
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:34,719
Speaker 1: It's in the future when you have got people who

901
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 1: are strapped, pizza shop owners or whatever, take a more

902
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:42,200
Speaker 1: refinance their house, take out a massive loan, eke out

903
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 1: a win. Those people really need the money, and so

904
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:48,319
Speaker 1: when they go out dialing for dollars, the people they're

905
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:51,839
Speaker 1: dialing for and donating to their campaign have a lot

906
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:54,880
Speaker 1: more leverage over them in terms of answering to the donor. So,

907
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 1: in a weird and complex way, this actually makes it

908
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:01,160
Speaker 1: so that the people who are less rich are now

909
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:04,319
Speaker 1: going to be probably the most vulnerable to some sort

910
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:08,359
Speaker 1: of bribery. Right although listen, I mean most people. First

911
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:10,359
Speaker 1: of all, most of the candidates who run and will

912
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:13,279
Speaker 1: are already witch. Second of all, you know, if you

913
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:15,839
Speaker 1: are not wealthy, you're going to have a difficult time

914
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:18,360
Speaker 1: putting down plunking down two hundred and fifty K to

915
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:21,799
Speaker 1: put into your bank account. So you could very much

916
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:26,760
Speaker 1: see a world though, where wealthy candidates routinely lend themselves

917
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:28,879
Speaker 1: huge amounts of money that they know they can get

918
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:34,320
Speaker 1: paid back with significant interest from donors once they're in office.

919
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:36,960
Speaker 1: Did they give out the interest? We did? We see that? No?

920
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:40,920
Speaker 1: So there was a two thousand and one law that

921
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 1: did you know that basically put these limits into case

922
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:47,279
Speaker 1: into effect and made it so that you couldn't have

923
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:50,719
Speaker 1: this situation that Napolitana had of a big loan and

924
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 1: a high interest rate. But this Scotus ruling, you know,

925
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:57,400
Speaker 1: that totally takes that law effectively off the books. So

926
00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:00,799
Speaker 1: now it's the wild West again. Wow yeah, so yeah,

927
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:03,759
Speaker 1: so exactly. So, I mean, then you directly have a

928
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:08,439
Speaker 1: situation where candidates can use their campaign directly for their

929
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:12,399
Speaker 1: own profit, and you know, that's just app opening up

930
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 1: one more avenue to very direct corruption that I think,

931
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 1: you know, the American people can understand very clearly how

932
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:22,440
Speaker 1: this ultimately will work out. You know, I thought it was.

933
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:24,600
Speaker 1: I think it's reasonable if you give people, you know,

934
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:26,439
Speaker 1: a certain amount of time. The laws had twenty days

935
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 1: to recoup that. That's you know, a reasonable window where

936
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:31,879
Speaker 1: you're not really even in an office yet, you haven't

937
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:33,840
Speaker 1: even really been sworn in yet. But now it's just

938
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:37,240
Speaker 1: completely open ended. People can write you a personal check

939
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 1: to go into your bank account effectively whenever they wish.

940
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:43,719
Speaker 1: And as you point out, you want to know why

941
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:46,360
Speaker 1: these people were really put on the court. This is

942
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:48,440
Speaker 1: a big part of why to make sure that the

943
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:51,239
Speaker 1: interests of the wealthy and interests of corporate America are

944
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:53,480
Speaker 1: always protected for something. I always try to explain this

945
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:55,200
Speaker 1: just because I actually know a lot of the people

946
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:58,480
Speaker 1: were involved, like they care at the Chamber of Commerce

947
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:00,719
Speaker 1: way more. Actually, they don't care about abortion at all.

948
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:03,560
Speaker 1: They're probably mostly pro choice. What they care about is

949
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:06,440
Speaker 1: making sure that you could strike down administrative law in

950
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 1: the Commerce Department, and I'm about to talk about this

951
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 1: in my monologue, to make it so that solar importers

952
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:15,319
Speaker 1: can buy cheap panels from China and you have no

953
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 1: recourse for your government to do anything about it and

954
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:20,960
Speaker 1: issue a decision. That's what they really care about. They

955
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 1: care about striking down campaign finance law. You know, abortion, Sure,

956
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:27,840
Speaker 1: that's to you know, let people squabble about. But in

957
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:32,200
Speaker 1: terms of the actual business, boring laws, clauses on the

958
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:36,319
Speaker 1: commerce and stuff, this is the true ideological project for

959
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:39,759
Speaker 1: a lot of the American right, And as predicted, most

960
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:43,080
Speaker 1: people will go completely past this. I'm glad we have

961
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:44,840
Speaker 1: a subscription model because I don't really care if the

962
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 1: segment rates or not. But we're not stupid. I mean,

963
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:50,800
Speaker 1: if we were in the rating games specifically, there's really

964
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:53,120
Speaker 1: no reason to try and cover this because it's very

965
00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 1: hard to get people to actually care, especially when they

966
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:58,319
Speaker 1: believe that the country is already so corrupt. So this

967
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:01,279
Speaker 1: is just another example of how this all works. And

968
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:04,000
Speaker 1: you know, I just expect this ideological project to continue

969
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:07,560
Speaker 1: on the court. Indeed, Okay, let's move on segment. I'm

970
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:10,480
Speaker 1: very excited for I try not to abuse everyone with

971
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:13,239
Speaker 1: UFO segments. There's been a lot going on behind the scenes,

972
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:14,640
Speaker 1: so let me try and set this up for you.

973
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:17,080
Speaker 1: Over the last year or so, there's been a pretty

974
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:21,400
Speaker 1: significant move within Congress. Senator Marco Rubio and Senator Christen

975
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:23,400
Speaker 1: Gillibrand have been kind of at the forefront of this.

976
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:26,719
Speaker 1: Rubio is on the Senate Intelligence Committee. He was one

977
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:29,440
Speaker 1: of the initial people who pushed for transparency within the

978
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:33,000
Speaker 1: Intel community around UFOs. Now, per what I've heard, he

979
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:35,440
Speaker 1: and many others been very frustrated in terms of the

980
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:39,759
Speaker 1: Intel community and their forthcomingness on some of the intelligence

981
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:43,200
Speaker 1: that lies within. Obviously, they had that Landmark report which

982
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:45,879
Speaker 1: came out about a year ago, which talked about several

983
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:48,760
Speaker 1: phenomena which we observed in which they had ruled out

984
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:52,319
Speaker 1: the explanation terrestrial at okay, I should say this, they

985
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 1: had ruled out, you know, a weather balloon or a

986
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:57,400
Speaker 1: win based upon wind patterns, that it was something that

987
00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:02,320
Speaker 1: was completely unexplained by modern phenomena. Since then, the NDAA

988
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:05,920
Speaker 1: actually made it so that the US military and the

989
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:09,320
Speaker 1: Pentagon was required to set up an actual unit inside

990
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:12,239
Speaker 1: of the military in order to study the phenomena. Their

991
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:16,440
Speaker 1: job is to compile reports and to interview subjects and

992
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:19,959
Speaker 1: others to consolidate all of the information and then turn

993
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:23,960
Speaker 1: it over to Congress. Now, Congress has been very upset

994
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:26,920
Speaker 1: over the last six months or so, saying that the

995
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:29,960
Speaker 1: Pentagon and the military are dragging their feet. There's a

996
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:33,560
Speaker 1: culture of intimidation inside of the Pentagon, that there is

997
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:37,280
Speaker 1: a long standing effort to basically continue the cover ups

998
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 1: that have been happening since the nineteen seventies, in which

999
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:42,719
Speaker 1: it was a basic decision that we're going to shut

1000
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:45,920
Speaker 1: down all of the actual interests in that phenomena. That

1001
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:48,840
Speaker 1: is why the hearing today, which is the first on

1002
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:53,719
Speaker 1: UFO since nineteen seventy, is an extraordinarily significant event, and

1003
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:57,240
Speaker 1: the behind the scenes jockeing on. This is just maddening.

1004
00:50:57,320 --> 00:50:58,880
Speaker 1: Let's put this up there on the screen. This is

1005
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:02,680
Speaker 1: from Politico. Can't even believe this headline Crystal a skull

1006
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:06,919
Speaker 1: and bones type vibe. Sky agencies grapple with how much

1007
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:09,440
Speaker 1: to share at the UFO hearing. Oh, I have an

1008
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:13,880
Speaker 1: idea whatever you're legally required to. What they actually point

1009
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:17,200
Speaker 1: here is that Pentagon officials are under increasing pressure to

1010
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:20,880
Speaker 1: carry out Congress's mandate to establish a permanent effort to

1011
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:23,880
Speaker 1: coordinate research into the reports of highly advanced aircraft of

1012
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:28,560
Speaker 1: unknown origin intruding into protected airspace. The law requires regular

1013
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:32,640
Speaker 1: classified and public reports to oversight committees on new incidents

1014
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:39,880
Speaker 1: involving UAPs or unidentified aerial phenomena, including previous information or investigations.

1015
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:43,560
Speaker 1: But there is a tug of war amongst competing factions

1016
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:46,840
Speaker 1: inside the National security bureaucracy that will make it difficult

1017
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:50,799
Speaker 1: for Congress to compel military branches, spy agencies, national laboratories,

1018
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:54,400
Speaker 1: and others to come clean given long standing secrecy and

1019
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:57,480
Speaker 1: stigma surrounding the issue. And what they point to and

1020
00:51:57,560 --> 00:52:01,919
Speaker 1: quote are several anonymous defensiveficial who are saying that inside

1021
00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:05,040
Speaker 1: the culture of secrecy remains and permeates, and I'll just

1022
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:08,799
Speaker 1: say this, I was generally of the belief that if

1023
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:12,640
Speaker 1: there was a crazy world changing conspiracy that it would

1024
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:14,680
Speaker 1: come out. I was like, Ah, you know, I don't

1025
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:17,200
Speaker 1: think they could keep a secret for that long. But

1026
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:19,240
Speaker 1: at the same time, we had all those crazy plots

1027
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:23,640
Speaker 1: to assassinate Costro Gulf of Tonkin, John F. Kennedy files

1028
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:27,040
Speaker 1: remains up in the air. You watch Oliver Stones's documentary,

1029
00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:28,960
Speaker 1: you can come away with your own takeaway of what

1030
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:31,960
Speaker 1: exactly happened that day in terms of the establishment of

1031
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:34,680
Speaker 1: a conspiracy and the more that I learned about this subject,

1032
00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:38,640
Speaker 1: and see how the Pentagon has used long standing tactics

1033
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:41,120
Speaker 1: that we saw the CIA used whenever it came to

1034
00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:45,719
Speaker 1: the torture program, destroying documents, obfuscating, even hacking Congress itself.

1035
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:49,040
Speaker 1: That we've seen several mill of nine to eleven Commission

1036
00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:52,440
Speaker 1: cover up the Saudi thing doesn't get declassified till twenty

1037
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:56,440
Speaker 1: years later. I've realized I'm detecting the same pattern in

1038
00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:59,440
Speaker 1: the way that the actual insiders inside the Pentagon are

1039
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:01,400
Speaker 1: making sure that they cover up as much of this

1040
00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:05,480
Speaker 1: as possible. Now, per people I've spoken to, they expect

1041
00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:08,480
Speaker 1: there to be some sparks that fly in the hearing today,

1042
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:10,839
Speaker 1: I don't really know what that means in terms of

1043
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:15,239
Speaker 1: the observation, at least around the type of phenomena. I

1044
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:19,440
Speaker 1: personally think the most interesting thing will be more revelations

1045
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:21,840
Speaker 1: about the data. You guys will remember in that report

1046
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:25,200
Speaker 1: they talked about several instances, specific number of instances in

1047
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:28,920
Speaker 1: which they ruled out actual other ones. Also, there remains,

1048
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:32,960
Speaker 1: according to people who know Christopher Mellon, who was himself

1049
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:35,880
Speaker 1: an Undersecretary of Defense, that there is a photo and

1050
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:39,720
Speaker 1: videos that could reside within the Pentagon, within the CIA

1051
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:43,719
Speaker 1: on the classified system which would blow everybody's mind. One

1052
00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:45,920
Speaker 1: of them that he describes there are two pilots that

1053
00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:48,560
Speaker 1: are going side by side and that they had something

1054
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:50,839
Speaker 1: that flew in between them, and it's actually a video

1055
00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:53,480
Speaker 1: which catches a glimpse of that and of them just

1056
00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:56,520
Speaker 1: absolutely freaking out. Well, yeah, I know I need to

1057
00:53:56,560 --> 00:53:59,360
Speaker 1: see that video, okay, And a lot of the sketches

1058
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:01,800
Speaker 1: and things that have come out from these government documents.

1059
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:03,759
Speaker 1: So that's just my way of setting up. It is

1060
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:05,359
Speaker 1: a big day, I mean, you know, the first one

1061
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:09,160
Speaker 1: since nineteen seventy. Yeah, and I think it's fascinating. I mean,

1062
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:12,120
Speaker 1: here's what you think about the conspiracy aspect of it. Listen,

1063
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:14,480
Speaker 1: don't put I think past these people. I think your

1064
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:16,920
Speaker 1: point about JFK is a really good one, Like this

1065
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:21,200
Speaker 1: is true deep state stuff because they were under a

1066
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Speaker 1: congressional mandate to release all of these documents that had

1067
00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:29,400
Speaker 1: been classified regarding Kennedy's assassination and they just haven't done it. Yeah,

1068
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:32,279
Speaker 1: you know, they didn't since ninety two. It just happened that,

1069
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:34,920
Speaker 1: you know, Biden put on on other thing. So Trump

1070
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:38,480
Speaker 1: pushed it off. He made some excuse. Biden pushed offs, Oh,

1071
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:40,759
Speaker 1: it's because of coronavirus. We can't do And it's like

1072
00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:43,560
Speaker 1: Jesus Christ, like the man has been dead for a

1073
00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:46,920
Speaker 1: long time. Now, can we get some like actual transparency

1074
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:50,200
Speaker 1: about what the government knows about what happened on that day.

1075
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:53,920
Speaker 1: I think the Saudi connection on nine to eleven is

1076
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:56,839
Speaker 1: also really important, like very clear there was a cover

1077
00:54:56,960 --> 00:54:59,960
Speaker 1: up to avoid the American people really understanding the dire

1078
00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:04,760
Speaker 1: connect between the Saudi government and the plot and the hijackers.

1079
00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:07,919
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean, they have this quote here from

1080
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:12,160
Speaker 1: an official who says they fetishize their secret society it's

1081
00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:14,799
Speaker 1: kind of a skull and bones type vibe. They take

1082
00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:18,279
Speaker 1: it seriously, but they have no accountability zero. There is

1083
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:20,840
Speaker 1: a whole group of us that know in great detail

1084
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:24,240
Speaker 1: this subject, a lot of which has not been reported

1085
00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:27,520
Speaker 1: to Congress because of security issues. So what's important about

1086
00:55:27,560 --> 00:55:31,239
Speaker 1: that is they're saying no, actually, we do take it seriously.

1087
00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:35,640
Speaker 1: We have researched this in depth. We have information that

1088
00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:38,080
Speaker 1: has not been shared with Congress, let alone the public,

1089
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:40,640
Speaker 1: but we don't want to say anything about it. We

1090
00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:43,520
Speaker 1: want to keep it secret. And so will they have

1091
00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:46,680
Speaker 1: any qualms about hiding things that they know, not telling

1092
00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:49,440
Speaker 1: the truth, not being fully transparent the way that they

1093
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:52,080
Speaker 1: are required by law to be. No, of course not.

1094
00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:54,960
Speaker 1: This is like routine for them. One of the things

1095
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:58,000
Speaker 1: that you mentioned Melon, one of the things that he

1096
00:55:58,120 --> 00:56:01,000
Speaker 1: said should be asked publicly is if any of the

1097
00:56:01,120 --> 00:56:06,120
Speaker 1: reported aerial intrusions were also detected maneuvering through space. Quote.

1098
00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:09,439
Speaker 1: If members can confirm UAP in space, they'll make history

1099
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:13,160
Speaker 1: and help to eliminate an entire category potential explanations having

1100
00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:15,840
Speaker 1: to do with atmospheric phenomenon, things like Chinese lanterns or

1101
00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:18,040
Speaker 1: civilian druge. So that seemed to me to be something

1102
00:56:18,080 --> 00:56:21,800
Speaker 1: significant to watch for, because, as he's saying, if you

1103
00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:24,600
Speaker 1: confirm that these have been seen, you know, in space,

1104
00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:28,239
Speaker 1: not just in the sort of like civilian airspace, then

1105
00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:30,759
Speaker 1: you can rule out all of these other things that

1106
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:34,520
Speaker 1: ultimately had been floated. Because the report that came out

1107
00:56:34,719 --> 00:56:37,640
Speaker 1: it really was the media covered in sort of a

1108
00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:40,799
Speaker 1: disingenuous way to say like, oh, they ruled down extra treasure. Yeah,

1109
00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:42,560
Speaker 1: it's like, no, that's not what they said. They actually

1110
00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:46,759
Speaker 1: ruled out everything else. But you can't rule that out.

1111
00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:49,799
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just impossible ultimately to rule out. So

1112
00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:52,200
Speaker 1: the fact that they ruled down all of the other

1113
00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:55,400
Speaker 1: potential phenomenon was actually very revealing. Yeah, and you know,

1114
00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:57,920
Speaker 1: the more I see about it, Look, there's I think

1115
00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:02,040
Speaker 1: there's a couple explanations. The one is extraterrestrial. Let's put

1116
00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:04,239
Speaker 1: that aside. Well, what are the other ones? The other

1117
00:57:04,280 --> 00:57:07,879
Speaker 1: one is that it's foreign. Now it's possible, I think

1118
00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:11,560
Speaker 1: it's highly unlikely. The idea that China and Russia would

1119
00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:15,680
Speaker 1: be in possession of technology, which is almost fifty years

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00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:19,720
Speaker 1: outside of the development cycle of US technology, seems crazy

1121
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:22,320
Speaker 1: to me. Another point that usually given what we've seen. Yeah,

1122
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:26,760
Speaker 1: especially report, Look and don't throw hypersonic missiles at me. Look,

1123
00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:29,080
Speaker 1: hypersonic missiles are well within our capability. We just have

1124
00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:31,080
Speaker 1: not developed them as of yet. It's not that we

1125
00:57:31,240 --> 00:57:33,760
Speaker 1: haven't known. A great point that I have heard was

1126
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:36,200
Speaker 1: that if you look at the SR seventy one and

1127
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:41,320
Speaker 1: other leaps in bounds of flight, their intellectual kind of

1128
00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:44,880
Speaker 1: background was present within the literature. So, for example, an

1129
00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:48,800
Speaker 1: atomic bomb was known to be possible before nineteen forty five.

1130
00:57:49,240 --> 00:57:52,800
Speaker 1: There is no science that exists as we know that

1131
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:56,320
Speaker 1: could put propel an aircraft at the speeds of which

1132
00:57:56,360 --> 00:57:59,880
Speaker 1: many of these UFOs have existed, which would mean that

1133
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:02,440
Speaker 1: you know, the sign. The professors and physics and all

1134
00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:05,560
Speaker 1: these other people had not even theoretically come up with

1135
00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:08,280
Speaker 1: an explanation on paper for how this would work, as

1136
00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:11,400
Speaker 1: opposed to the actual material engineering that would require this

1137
00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:13,040
Speaker 1: to actually come to fruition. So that's why I don't

1138
00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:16,120
Speaker 1: think it's foreign or a Russian or Chinese. Now, look,

1139
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:19,560
Speaker 1: it could be a secret. It could be a secret

1140
00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:23,080
Speaker 1: US air program. Now the report says that they've ruled

1141
00:58:23,120 --> 00:58:25,240
Speaker 1: out that it's a secret US government program. Yeah, but

1142
00:58:25,240 --> 00:58:27,000
Speaker 1: it's the US government is saying, and so I don't

1143
00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:32,680
Speaker 1: know on that front. Again, I just don't. Look. It

1144
00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:35,120
Speaker 1: is true the SRS have anyone was a secret bird

1145
00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:39,080
Speaker 1: the I forget exactly what the spy planet U two,

1146
00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:42,920
Speaker 1: spyplane whatever crashed over the Soviet Union in the nineteen

1147
00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:48,080
Speaker 1: sixties that Franciscry Powers was flying. Those were certainly major

1148
00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:52,760
Speaker 1: secret developments that were big leaps forward in technology, but again,

1149
00:58:53,240 --> 00:58:56,720
Speaker 1: you know, they were existed within the realm of possibility.

1150
00:58:56,800 --> 00:59:00,000
Speaker 1: It was more that engineering such a feat seemed astronomic

1151
00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:02,960
Speaker 1: expensive and very difficult. Here we don't even know what

1152
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:05,800
Speaker 1: type of engineering. What they we're talking about observed and

1153
00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:10,160
Speaker 1: what has been publicly released defies physics as we understand. Yeah, exactly.

1154
00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:14,320
Speaker 1: So I think your point is really important, which is that, Yeah, previously,

1155
00:59:14,360 --> 00:59:16,920
Speaker 1: like the physics could explain how you would get to

1156
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:20,600
Speaker 1: this point. It was theoretically possible. They just hadn't figured

1157
00:59:20,600 --> 00:59:23,360
Speaker 1: out the materials and the engineering, and so that was

1158
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:25,640
Speaker 1: the piece that they had to put together. But like

1159
00:59:25,720 --> 00:59:29,080
Speaker 1: the physics of it made some basic sense, whereas here

1160
00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:31,560
Speaker 1: we don't. We don't have that, at least not to

1161
00:59:31,720 --> 00:59:34,960
Speaker 1: our knowledge. So listen, I have no idea, but I

1162
00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:37,640
Speaker 1: don't trust anything any of these people say. And obviously

1163
00:59:37,680 --> 00:59:41,480
Speaker 1: they're perfectly comfortable lying and covering up and you know,

1164
00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:45,040
Speaker 1: keeping their secrets within the deep state community. They've done

1165
00:59:45,080 --> 00:59:48,360
Speaker 1: that in a number of documented instances. So the fact

1166
00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:51,800
Speaker 1: that they're having these internal debates right now about are

1167
00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:53,760
Speaker 1: we going to tell them what we're supposed to tell

1168
00:59:53,800 --> 00:59:55,920
Speaker 1: them or not is very revealing. One last thing I

1169
00:59:55,960 --> 00:59:57,360
Speaker 1: want to say, because I hear this all the time,

1170
00:59:57,400 --> 00:59:59,680
Speaker 1: this is just a distraction. This is distraction. This is

1171
00:59:59,720 --> 01:00:03,320
Speaker 1: for Space Force funding. Listen, read these reports and talk

1172
01:00:03,360 --> 01:00:04,880
Speaker 1: to any of these people involved. I'm gonna be talking

1173
01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:08,280
Speaker 1: to Jeremy Corbel later. They had to get dragged, kicking

1174
01:00:08,320 --> 01:00:11,480
Speaker 1: and screaming to the point where we could even get

1175
01:00:11,560 --> 01:00:14,920
Speaker 1: a smidge of information out. They don't want any of

1176
01:00:14,920 --> 01:00:17,200
Speaker 1: this out there. They want all of us in the secret.

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01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:19,000
Speaker 1: And by the way, as I've said before, if this

1178
01:00:19,120 --> 01:00:21,360
Speaker 1: was all a ploy for funding, then why would they

1179
01:00:21,440 --> 01:00:24,080
Speaker 1: do it at a time whenever There's never been more

1180
01:00:24,080 --> 01:00:28,520
Speaker 1: money for the military industrial company in modern history. Biden's like,

1181
01:00:28,680 --> 01:00:33,560
Speaker 1: give me forty billions. They're no more. Yeah. So, anyway,

1182
01:00:33,880 --> 01:00:36,439
Speaker 1: I think if you know anything about defense budgeting, which

1183
01:00:36,480 --> 01:00:39,360
Speaker 1: I actually have spent way too much time studying. Then

1184
01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:40,919
Speaker 1: you would know that they would have done this back

1185
01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:43,760
Speaker 1: in the twenty tens during the sequestration period whenever they

1186
01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:46,080
Speaker 1: actually needed money and they were firing a lot of

1187
01:00:46,080 --> 01:00:48,720
Speaker 1: people anyway. So that's a long way of saying that

1188
01:00:48,720 --> 01:00:52,040
Speaker 1: the distraction argument is very stupid from a variety of

1189
01:00:52,200 --> 01:00:55,520
Speaker 1: Washington reasons. And also, if you just know anything about

1190
01:00:55,520 --> 01:00:57,880
Speaker 1: how the story has tracked, it's the people inside the

1191
01:00:57,920 --> 01:01:01,160
Speaker 1: programs themselves who have been like, man, shit is crazy

1192
01:01:01,360 --> 01:01:04,840
Speaker 1: and have been coming out talking about it. Commander David Fraverer,

1193
01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:08,080
Speaker 1: Ryan Graves, other people like that who have made it

1194
01:01:08,200 --> 01:01:10,720
Speaker 1: known that what they saw was real, at least it

1195
01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:13,920
Speaker 1: was to them, that is documented within the US military,

1196
01:01:14,080 --> 01:01:16,960
Speaker 1: and have forced the way for the last probably twenty

1197
01:01:17,040 --> 01:01:18,760
Speaker 1: years in order to get it to the point where

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01:01:18,760 --> 01:01:20,800
Speaker 1: somebody like me can even talk about it, and that

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01:01:20,880 --> 01:01:23,800
Speaker 1: you get to now hear your representatives and I have

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01:01:24,040 --> 01:01:28,040
Speaker 1: some analysis up dismissed as crazy. Oh well, they're still

1201
01:01:28,040 --> 01:01:31,160
Speaker 1: dismissed as crazy. But we'll get there. We remember, Let's

1202
01:01:31,200 --> 01:01:33,400
Speaker 1: move on to this next story, which is also very important.

1203
01:01:33,560 --> 01:01:35,400
Speaker 1: So this one, you guys know, Yeah, I was in

1204
01:01:35,440 --> 01:01:37,360
Speaker 1: the White House, Courtspond's Association. I was a White House

1205
01:01:37,400 --> 01:01:40,000
Speaker 1: correspondent and I try to bring you these inside stories

1206
01:01:40,040 --> 01:01:45,800
Speaker 1: to really show you how internally rigged the entire system is. Now,

1207
01:01:45,880 --> 01:01:49,680
Speaker 1: this story centers on an African reporter. His name is

1208
01:01:49,720 --> 01:01:52,160
Speaker 1: Simon A. Teba, So let's put this up there on

1209
01:01:52,200 --> 01:01:56,400
Speaker 1: the screen. Simon Atteba works for Today News Africa. So

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01:01:56,440 --> 01:01:58,720
Speaker 1: a lot of people don't know this, but their foreign

1211
01:01:58,760 --> 01:02:02,520
Speaker 1: reporters often come in and out of the briefing room, obviously,

1212
01:02:02,680 --> 01:02:05,440
Speaker 1: as we have reporters many places across the globe in

1213
01:02:05,520 --> 01:02:08,400
Speaker 1: order to try and question the White House Press Secretary. Now,

1214
01:02:08,560 --> 01:02:13,320
Speaker 1: Simon actually interrupted the White House Press briefing last Friday

1215
01:02:13,720 --> 01:02:18,439
Speaker 1: while an ABC News correspondent Mary Bruce and Associated press

1216
01:02:18,480 --> 01:02:22,080
Speaker 1: Zeke Miller we're talking. What Simon did is he shouted

1217
01:02:22,120 --> 01:02:25,240
Speaker 1: from the back row asking that the back row get

1218
01:02:25,280 --> 01:02:27,560
Speaker 1: called on, and that he specifically get called on. He

1219
01:02:27,600 --> 01:02:29,480
Speaker 1: has yet to be called on by the White House

1220
01:02:29,480 --> 01:02:33,280
Speaker 1: Press Secretary. Now, in response to that, the president of

1221
01:02:33,320 --> 01:02:37,400
Speaker 1: the White House Correspondence Association, Stephen Portnoy, sent him this email.

1222
01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:41,360
Speaker 1: I'm going to read this quote. Your disruptive behavior at

1223
01:02:41,440 --> 01:02:46,000
Speaker 1: last Friday's briefing interrupted your colleagues and reflected poorly on

1224
01:02:46,040 --> 01:02:48,880
Speaker 1: the press corp. There is no right of any reporter

1225
01:02:48,960 --> 01:02:51,680
Speaker 1: to be called on by an official. Preventing your colleagues

1226
01:02:51,680 --> 01:02:55,040
Speaker 1: from asking their questions is no way to seek relief.

1227
01:02:55,280 --> 01:02:58,200
Speaker 1: He warned that he would be suspended or expelled were

1228
01:02:58,200 --> 01:03:01,160
Speaker 1: he to repeat this behavior on front. We note you

1229
01:03:01,200 --> 01:03:03,880
Speaker 1: have been granted access as an associate member of our organization.

1230
01:03:04,160 --> 01:03:06,360
Speaker 1: With that comes as a responsibility to act in a

1231
01:03:06,360 --> 01:03:12,880
Speaker 1: collegial manner with your fellow WAHCA members. Again, demonstrate disrespect

1232
01:03:13,160 --> 01:03:15,760
Speaker 1: for your colleagues in the manner you did last Friday.

1233
01:03:15,960 --> 01:03:18,360
Speaker 1: The board will act on behalf of the collective. I

1234
01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:20,960
Speaker 1: am pasting Article ten of our by laws below for

1235
01:03:21,080 --> 01:03:24,240
Speaker 1: your reference. Now here's what Simon said in response. I

1236
01:03:24,280 --> 01:03:26,200
Speaker 1: received the email with a heavy heart. I am a

1237
01:03:26,280 --> 01:03:29,120
Speaker 1: victim here. I am being unferded by the WAHCA. It

1238
01:03:29,200 --> 01:03:31,640
Speaker 1: is sad and it is heartbreaking. America is the greatest

1239
01:03:31,640 --> 01:03:33,880
Speaker 1: country in the world. No country game is close. Here

1240
01:03:33,920 --> 01:03:36,560
Speaker 1: in the US press freedom is respected, or so I thought,

1241
01:03:36,760 --> 01:03:38,760
Speaker 1: so I was made to believe. Okay, So here's the

1242
01:03:38,760 --> 01:03:41,960
Speaker 1: thing about Simon. I've heard he's pretty annoying from my

1243
01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:43,960
Speaker 1: friends who are in the press corps and he interrupts

1244
01:03:43,960 --> 01:03:46,440
Speaker 1: you when you're speaking. And guess what, it's a free country.

1245
01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:49,480
Speaker 1: I was in the White House press corps. Jim Acosta

1246
01:03:49,520 --> 01:03:51,960
Speaker 1: cut me off a million times. You know what, I

1247
01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:55,360
Speaker 1: spoke louder so that I could get my question. How

1248
01:03:55,400 --> 01:03:58,480
Speaker 1: many times in the Trump days Hunter Walker, he worked

1249
01:03:58,520 --> 01:04:00,560
Speaker 1: for a Yahoo News. That guy used to scream about

1250
01:04:00,600 --> 01:04:03,600
Speaker 1: Stormy Daniels at like Veterans' events whenever Trump was talk.

1251
01:04:03,720 --> 01:04:06,440
Speaker 1: And guess what I believe in a raucous White House press,

1252
01:04:06,680 --> 01:04:09,120
Speaker 1: I think screaming in the face of the President and

1253
01:04:09,200 --> 01:04:11,240
Speaker 1: ask him a question of whatever the hell you want?

1254
01:04:11,360 --> 01:04:13,920
Speaker 1: With as many reporters president is a good thing and

1255
01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:18,240
Speaker 1: represents the best of America. But at I remember Peter

1256
01:04:18,360 --> 01:04:21,840
Speaker 1: Alexander of NBC News, Kirsten Welker of NBC News, Caitlin

1257
01:04:21,880 --> 01:04:25,800
Speaker 1: Collins at CNN, Jim Acosta over at CNN, even Fox

1258
01:04:25,840 --> 01:04:29,400
Speaker 1: News reporters, people like John Roberts who was over at Fox,

1259
01:04:29,520 --> 01:04:33,040
Speaker 1: Steve forgetting his name who works for Reuters, Jeff Mason

1260
01:04:33,080 --> 01:04:35,160
Speaker 1: who also worked over at Routers. All of these guys

1261
01:04:35,160 --> 01:04:37,560
Speaker 1: would scream at the top of their lungs in order

1262
01:04:37,640 --> 01:04:40,160
Speaker 1: to try and get Trump to answer questions. I think

1263
01:04:40,160 --> 01:04:42,480
Speaker 1: that's fine. They often cut each other off. It was

1264
01:04:42,520 --> 01:04:45,160
Speaker 1: a raucous environment there in the press briefing room. To

1265
01:04:45,160 --> 01:04:47,280
Speaker 1: get Sarah Sanders to call on you, I tweeted this,

1266
01:04:47,280 --> 01:04:49,600
Speaker 1: Actually it's put this up there on the screen. When

1267
01:04:49,640 --> 01:04:51,920
Speaker 1: I was in the d White House Corresponds Association, people

1268
01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:55,200
Speaker 1: screamed like rabid banshees to get called on. And one

1269
01:04:55,240 --> 01:04:59,640
Speaker 1: time one even played audio of crying migrant kids while

1270
01:04:59,640 --> 01:05:01,880
Speaker 1: in a fIF was speaking. That was Olivia Nuzzy, by

1271
01:05:01,920 --> 01:05:04,440
Speaker 1: the way, who works over at New York Magazine. And

1272
01:05:04,640 --> 01:05:07,880
Speaker 1: I don't remember any of them being threatened with expulsion,

1273
01:05:08,320 --> 01:05:11,800
Speaker 1: probably because they worked for the mainstream media. I don't

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Speaker 1: think it's just that. I think it's the difference between

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Speaker 1: it being Trump and it being oh just because yeah

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Speaker 1: there it was like, you know, there was an understanding

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Speaker 1: of these issues matter, and it matters for the future

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Speaker 1: of the country, and to hell with decorum, which I

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Speaker 1: totally agree with. I one hundred percent agree with that.

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Speaker 1: But now it's how could you do this to Jensack

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Speaker 1: but not being nice, You're not playing by the rules.

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Speaker 1: Get out of here. It is not the job of

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Speaker 1: the White House Correspondence Association to police the way that

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Speaker 1: the Press Corps tries to get itself called on. Now,

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Speaker 1: I've also heard that Simon himself may be connected to

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Speaker 1: some governments in Africa, and you know what, that is

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Speaker 1: actually very common if you look at the Russian Press

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Speaker 1: Corps or the Chinese Press Corps. So I don't particularly care.

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Speaker 1: The reason why I'm speaking up on behalf of this

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Speaker 1: guy is that, just like that audio, that leaked audio

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Speaker 1: that we played for you on our show, this is

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Speaker 1: how they rig the game. Who elected Zeke Miller, who's

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Speaker 1: the head of the Associated Press Correspondent to decide when

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Speaker 1: the briefing stops and starts. Who made it so that

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Speaker 1: Stephen Portnoy gets to decide, By the way I've said

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Speaker 1: this for I like Steven. He was always very nice

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Speaker 1: to me. He actually is a very conscientious reporter, and

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Speaker 1: in general he never comported himself this way. But I

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Speaker 1: remember Jim Acosta, Brian Carum and all of these people

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01:06:31,040 --> 01:06:34,320
Speaker 1: who screamed and screamed in order to get called on

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01:06:34,560 --> 01:06:37,720
Speaker 1: when the Trump was president and were never not only

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01:06:37,760 --> 01:06:41,800
Speaker 1: not threatened with White House corresponds expulsion. Jim Acosta was

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01:06:41,840 --> 01:06:45,120
Speaker 1: defended by the WHCA when Trump tried to revoke his

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Speaker 1: press pass. I support that. I think that anybody should

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Speaker 1: be able to get a White House press pass as

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Speaker 1: long as they are semi credentialed or even part of

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Speaker 1: a media organization. That's one of the best things about

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Speaker 1: America that any random, basically random citizen or blogger can

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01:06:59,120 --> 01:07:02,040
Speaker 1: walk in there ask a question. If Jensaki gets called

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Speaker 1: on you, this is about the fact that they are

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01:07:04,080 --> 01:07:06,840
Speaker 1: full of it, and that press freedom to them is

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01:07:06,880 --> 01:07:09,920
Speaker 1: about rigging the game. It's about making it so that

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01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:13,560
Speaker 1: people like yours, truly our new media company, would never

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Speaker 1: be able to get into that room and to ask

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Speaker 1: a question of Jensaki. And if we were to comport

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01:07:18,360 --> 01:07:21,080
Speaker 1: ourselves the way that they did when Trump was present,

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Speaker 1: they would kick your ass out of the room. So

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Speaker 1: it's a completely rigged game. And you know there's from

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Speaker 1: my sources on the inside, Simon is apparently the most

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Speaker 1: unsympathetic character, but they're making an example out of him

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Speaker 1: and to make sure that it's a message to everybody else.

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Speaker 1: The last thing I'll say is that the questions that

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Speaker 1: get asked really matter. It really does matter. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think about there are two examples that come immediately

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Speaker 1: to mind. One is Ryan Grimbing, as far as I know,

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Speaker 1: the only person in that room still to ask the

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Speaker 1: administration a question that was like pro peace in terms

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Speaker 1: of Ukraine and Russia. And the second one that we

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Speaker 1: point to a lot of times is when Nancy Pelosi

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Speaker 1: got asked about stock bands for members of Congress and

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Speaker 1: their spouses and just like totally dismissive, Oh, it's the

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Speaker 1: free market. Well that comment was so revealing and so

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Speaker 1: damaging that it really actually sparks some momentum to potentially

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Speaker 1: get something done in terms of legislation. So it really

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Speaker 1: matters what questions get asked. This institution is such a

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01:08:17,520 --> 01:08:20,040
Speaker 1: throwback at so archaic in terms of how it's set

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Speaker 1: up from the time when you know, you had three

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Speaker 1: news outlets that more or less spook to all of America.

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Speaker 1: It was a much more closed system. Now you have

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Speaker 1: a much more you know sort of you have all

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Speaker 1: these different niche players and a much broader and more

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Speaker 1: ideally democratic marketplace, but all of those players get shut

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Speaker 1: out of the official channels of asking real people in

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Speaker 1: power questions. Yeah, I think that's right, and I think

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Speaker 1: that at the end of the day. If you really

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Speaker 1: care about look at this new media environment. There are

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Speaker 1: companies like ours, there are huge new brands, and all

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01:08:51,800 --> 01:08:55,599
Speaker 1: these things popping up all the time. The WHCA exists

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01:08:55,680 --> 01:08:59,200
Speaker 1: as a guild protectionist organization to make sure that they

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Speaker 1: rig the game whenever it comes to actually accessing the

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Speaker 1: corridors of power. And at the end of the day,

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01:09:05,520 --> 01:09:08,400
Speaker 1: the White House has to respond to the spectacle of

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Speaker 1: what the White House Press Briefing is and to respond

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Speaker 1: to those questions. And I have said before they prepare

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Speaker 1: policy based upon those questions that they get. It's why

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Speaker 1: it matters so much. And I also, I'm in such

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Speaker 1: a unique position because I'm maybe one of the few

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Speaker 1: who was inside and I have the liberty to speak out.

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Speaker 1: If I spoke this way when we were working over

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Speaker 1: at the Hill, that's never gonna work. The Hill was

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Speaker 1: a member of the WAHCA. What are they gonna do?

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Speaker 1: The President would call whoever at the Hills, Hey, you're

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01:09:34,960 --> 01:09:36,679
Speaker 1: gonna shut up, or you're gonna have some pal problems

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01:09:37,360 --> 01:09:41,280
Speaker 1: going on. Part way. Also, if I wanted to, let's

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Speaker 1: say I wanted to go work anywhere else, I mean,

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Speaker 1: it would always be hanging over my head that oh,

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Speaker 1: you would be having problems going getting into the WHCA,

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Speaker 1: or you're never gonna be able to let be elected

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Speaker 1: or anything, or somebody may not hire you. This is

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Speaker 1: real ramifications for a lot of my friends who are

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Speaker 1: still are those not versificate you for an interview. They'll

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Speaker 1: never give you any sort of inside information that allows

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01:10:01,280 --> 01:10:03,519
Speaker 1: you to break stories to admance your career. There's a

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Speaker 1: million ways in which this is rigged games, rigged people.

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Speaker 1: All right, Christsell, what are you taking a look at? Well, guys,

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Speaker 1: we are still learning all the details of the horrific

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Speaker 1: mass shooting in Buffalo, New York, and are really just

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Speaker 1: scratching the surface of what led an eighteen year old

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Speaker 1: down the path of violent white supremacist ideology culminating in

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Speaker 1: the hate fueld massacre of innocent people. Already, though Fox

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Speaker 1: News is out there floating some of the dumbest possible explanations.

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Speaker 1: It seems like these things have gotten so much worse

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Speaker 1: since video games became so realistic and so violent. Have

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Speaker 1: you done research or you know, learned that the video

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Speaker 1: games tend to just desensitize people to the actual results

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Speaker 1: of pulling a trigger. This is such a classic like

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Speaker 1: a vintage conservative response as to almost be quaint. So

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Speaker 1: once again, no, video games do not cause violent behavior.

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Speaker 1: It turns out kids and adults alike are perfectly capable

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Speaker 1: of distinguishing between video game violence and real life violence.

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Speaker 1: And before we ask, this isn't about rap music or

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Speaker 1: violent movies either. Not to be undone, however, Democratic Governor

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Speaker 1: of New York Kathy Hochel is using this shooting to

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Speaker 1: call for tech companies to engage in more censorship. Here

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Speaker 1: with me now is New York Governor Kathy Hochel a governor?

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining me. I'm sorry it's

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Speaker 1: under these conditions. Can you first tell us what more

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Speaker 1: you've learned about the shooter's motive and this purported manifesto, Well,

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Speaker 1: this manifesto tells everything to us, and that is what's

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Speaker 1: so bone chilling about it is that there is the

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Speaker 1: ability for people to write and subscribe to such philosophies

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01:11:47,400 --> 01:11:51,080
Speaker 1: filled with hate, the white supremacist acts of terrorism that

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Speaker 1: are being fermented on social media, and to know that

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Speaker 1: what this one individual did has been shared with the

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Speaker 1: rest of the world, as well as the live streaming

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Speaker 1: of this military style execution that occurred in the streets

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Speaker 1: of my hometown. And that is what is so fundamentally

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Speaker 1: disturbing about this that this is not just a long

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01:12:10,600 --> 01:12:13,400
Speaker 1: time ago members as a KKK would sit in the

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Speaker 1: hall and plot what they're going to do in their community.

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01:12:16,439 --> 01:12:19,920
Speaker 1: This spreads like a virus. And that's why I'm calling

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Speaker 1: on the CEOs of all the social media platforms to

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01:12:25,479 --> 01:12:28,599
Speaker 1: examine their policies and to be able to look me

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01:12:28,640 --> 01:12:30,760
Speaker 1: in the eye and tell me that everything is being

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01:12:30,880 --> 01:12:34,439
Speaker 1: done that they can to make sure that this information

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01:12:34,520 --> 01:12:36,800
Speaker 1: is not spread. They have to be able to identify

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Speaker 1: when information like this the second it hits the platform,

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Speaker 1: it needs to be taken down because this is spreading

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01:12:42,920 --> 01:12:47,960
Speaker 1: like wildfire. These theories that results in the radicalization of

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Speaker 1: a young person sitting in their house is deeply scary

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01:12:52,640 --> 01:12:54,719
Speaker 1: and it's something that has to be dealt with now.

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Speaker 1: It is true that this killer says that he was

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Speaker 1: radicalized online. It is also true that hateful ideologies somehow

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01:13:02,320 --> 01:13:04,760
Speaker 1: managed to spread before there was four chan. In fact,

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01:13:04,840 --> 01:13:06,880
Speaker 1: the Klan was quite adept at getting their message out

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Speaker 1: through magazines and newspapers, and I personally would rather know

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Speaker 1: what these violent extreaments are up to and how they've

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01:13:12,320 --> 01:13:14,519
Speaker 1: arrived at their twisted views, than to allow them to

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01:13:14,520 --> 01:13:16,800
Speaker 1: fester in the dark corners of the Internet where no

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01:13:16,920 --> 01:13:20,599
Speaker 1: dissenting voices are around to challenge them whatsoever. In any case,

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01:13:20,760 --> 01:13:24,000
Speaker 1: begging tech oligarchs to claim more power is unlikely to

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Speaker 1: be the answer to any of our society's problems. Now,

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01:13:27,000 --> 01:13:31,000
Speaker 1: another common causal explanation has been the replacement rhetoric embraced

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01:13:31,000 --> 01:13:35,040
Speaker 1: by Republican media figures including Tucker Carlton and Republican elected leaders.

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01:13:35,400 --> 01:13:38,280
Speaker 1: The basic play here is to talk in apocalyptic terms

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Speaker 1: about declines and fertility rates, demographic change, and immigration, and

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01:13:42,120 --> 01:13:45,520
Speaker 1: deposit that this is all being done intentionally by Democratic

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01:13:45,520 --> 01:13:49,280
Speaker 1: elites in order to cement a permanent electoral majority. Now,

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01:13:49,320 --> 01:13:52,280
Speaker 1: I know that the left and all the little gatekeepers

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01:13:52,320 --> 01:13:56,680
Speaker 1: on Twitter become literally hysterical if you use the term replacement,

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01:13:56,800 --> 01:13:59,360
Speaker 1: if you suggest that the Democratic Party is trying to

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01:13:59,439 --> 01:14:04,000
Speaker 1: replace it's the current electorate, the voters now casting ballots

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01:14:04,040 --> 01:14:06,759
Speaker 1: with new people, more obedient voters from the third world.

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01:14:07,120 --> 01:14:10,320
Speaker 1: But they become hysterical because that's what's happening. Actually, let's

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01:14:10,320 --> 01:14:13,040
Speaker 1: just say it. That's true. Let's say that again for emphasis,

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01:14:13,080 --> 01:14:16,000
Speaker 1: because it is the secret to the entire immigration debate.

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01:14:16,720 --> 01:14:21,840
Speaker 1: Demographic change is the key to the Democratic Party's political ambitions.

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01:14:21,880 --> 01:14:23,840
Speaker 1: In other words, you're being replaced. There's nothing you could

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01:14:23,840 --> 01:14:28,559
Speaker 1: do about it, so shut up. I mean, they're trying

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01:14:28,600 --> 01:14:31,320
Speaker 1: to change the population of the United States, and they

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01:14:31,320 --> 01:14:33,479
Speaker 1: hate it when you say that, because it's true. Our

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01:14:33,479 --> 01:14:35,519
Speaker 1: country is being invaded by the rest of the world,

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01:14:35,640 --> 01:14:39,120
Speaker 1: only the state, unequivocally, the country is being stolen from

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Speaker 1: American citizens as we watch. In political terms, this policy

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01:14:44,200 --> 01:14:47,120
Speaker 1: is called the great replacement, the replacement of legacy Americans

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Speaker 1: with more obedient people from far away countries. Placement of

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01:14:50,120 --> 01:14:53,960
Speaker 1: legacy Americans with more obedient people from far away countries. Listen.

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Speaker 1: First of all, the scapegoating of immigrants, fear mongering about

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01:14:56,800 --> 01:14:59,400
Speaker 1: your country being stolen from you by invaders. It's gross,

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01:14:59,479 --> 01:15:02,320
Speaker 1: it's hateful. It does, in fact, echo the replacement theory

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01:15:02,360 --> 01:15:05,240
Speaker 1: ideology which the Buffalo shooter says motivated him to kill.

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01:15:05,720 --> 01:15:08,880
Speaker 1: Second of all, this doesn't honestly sound much different from

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01:15:08,880 --> 01:15:11,960
Speaker 1: the standard issue conservative rhetoric that I've heard my entire

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01:15:12,000 --> 01:15:14,479
Speaker 1: life about this or that bad group threatening the white

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01:15:14,479 --> 01:15:18,200
Speaker 1: American way of life. It's pretty standard issue Southern strategy

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01:15:18,240 --> 01:15:21,759
Speaker 1: type of stuff. Third, if this is actually the Democratic

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01:15:21,760 --> 01:15:25,040
Speaker 1: plan for electoral dominance, they are extremely shitty at it.

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01:15:25,200 --> 01:15:29,080
Speaker 1: After all, the only demographic group that Democrats actually improved

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Speaker 1: with in twenty twenty was white men. If there is

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01:15:32,120 --> 01:15:35,400
Speaker 1: one Obama era talking point which has been thoroughly discredited,

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Speaker 1: it's that America shifting demographics would automatically and ore to

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Speaker 1: the benefit of the Democratic Party. Finally, as far as

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Speaker 1: I can tell, Tucker Carlson has two basic goals own

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Speaker 1: and enrage the Libs, and to convince people to vote

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01:15:47,560 --> 01:15:50,000
Speaker 1: for shitty Republican politicians who in no way to deserve

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01:15:50,040 --> 01:15:52,559
Speaker 1: your support. In service of these two goals, he engages

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01:15:52,600 --> 01:15:54,760
Speaker 1: in all sorts of contemptible rhetoric that is no doubt

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01:15:54,760 --> 01:15:57,040
Speaker 1: bad for the country, even if you can't and should not,

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01:15:57,439 --> 01:16:01,200
Speaker 1: draw a direct line between Tucker monologues and recent racist massacres.

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Speaker 1: But frankly, I wish that our problems were as easy

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01:16:04,680 --> 01:16:07,360
Speaker 1: to solve as taking Tucker Carlson off the air, or

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01:16:07,400 --> 01:16:10,000
Speaker 1: censoring hate speech on the Internet, or toning down the

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01:16:10,080 --> 01:16:13,880
Speaker 1: violence in video games. None of these really addresses any

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Speaker 1: of the root causes of the scourge of hate and

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01:16:16,240 --> 01:16:19,320
Speaker 1: violence in our society. To really deal with this, we're

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01:16:19,360 --> 01:16:21,000
Speaker 1: going to have to go a lot deeper than a

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01:16:21,000 --> 01:16:23,840
Speaker 1: Tucker monologue. Now, one of the places to start that

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01:16:23,880 --> 01:16:27,639
Speaker 1: gets little mainstream discussion is the consistent relationship between our

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01:16:27,720 --> 01:16:32,080
Speaker 1: wars and interventions abroad and spikes and extremist violence at home. Now,

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01:16:32,120 --> 01:16:33,920
Speaker 1: it kind of makes some sense, right. You train a

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01:16:33,920 --> 01:16:36,080
Speaker 1: bunch of young men to kill, you desensitize them to

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01:16:36,120 --> 01:16:39,760
Speaker 1: human life, You normalize violence. They experience a profound adrenaline rush,

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Speaker 1: sense of camaraderie, shared purpose, all of which vanishes when

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01:16:43,000 --> 01:16:46,000
Speaker 1: they return home, many with injuries to either their body

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01:16:46,080 --> 01:16:48,639
Speaker 1: or their brain or both. Now you layer on top

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Speaker 1: of that the frequent abandonment of veterans after their service

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01:16:51,720 --> 01:16:55,400
Speaker 1: and the emasculation of struggling to reintegrate into society, and

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01:16:55,439 --> 01:16:58,439
Speaker 1: that leaves you with the potentially toxic brew. University of

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Speaker 1: Chicago researcher Kathleen B. Lou, author of the book Bring

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Speaker 1: the War Home, has deal deep into the roots of

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01:17:03,280 --> 01:17:06,440
Speaker 1: the modern white power movement and finds that the particular

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01:17:06,560 --> 01:17:11,000
Speaker 1: brand of anti government racist extremism that we've seen flare

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01:17:11,040 --> 01:17:14,040
Speaker 1: up since the eighties, it actually came directly out of

1504
01:17:14,040 --> 01:17:17,040
Speaker 1: the failures and the violence of the Vietnam War. I

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01:17:17,040 --> 01:17:19,040
Speaker 1: think the thing that really brought these activists together was

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01:17:19,080 --> 01:17:21,320
Speaker 1: a shared experience of the Vietnam War. Now, for some

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01:17:21,360 --> 01:17:23,639
Speaker 1: of them this had to do with literal combat in Vietnam,

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01:17:24,120 --> 01:17:26,360
Speaker 1: and for veterans and activeduty troops that came into the

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01:17:26,400 --> 01:17:30,080
Speaker 1: movement in its early formation, that certainly was the case.

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01:17:30,160 --> 01:17:33,000
Speaker 1: But this story about the Vietnam War became something much

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01:17:33,040 --> 01:17:35,200
Speaker 1: bigger and broader, and something that was open to people

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01:17:35,200 --> 01:17:37,000
Speaker 1: who didn't fight, and open to women, and open to

1513
01:17:37,080 --> 01:17:39,519
Speaker 1: younger activists. And the idea was sort of that the

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01:17:39,560 --> 01:17:44,360
Speaker 1: government was the site of betrayal, the site of all problems,

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01:17:44,439 --> 01:17:48,000
Speaker 1: and a direct threat to their nation. So the Vietnam

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01:17:48,040 --> 01:17:50,200
Speaker 1: War was really the catalyst that brought these activists together,

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01:17:50,360 --> 01:17:54,080
Speaker 1: and it also provided the uniforms, language, tactics, and weapons

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01:17:54,360 --> 01:17:57,120
Speaker 1: that escalated the impact of this movement over the years

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01:17:57,120 --> 01:18:00,400
Speaker 1: that followed. Now, what was even more fascinating to me, though,

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01:18:00,520 --> 01:18:03,439
Speaker 1: is that the most accurate predictor of racist hate movements

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01:18:03,520 --> 01:18:05,920
Speaker 1: is not cultural change. It's not poverty, it's not video

1522
01:18:05,960 --> 01:18:09,000
Speaker 1: games or four Chan for that matter, either. It's actually war.

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01:18:09,439 --> 01:18:11,960
Speaker 1: We can see that across the run of American history.

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01:18:12,320 --> 01:18:15,719
Speaker 1: The best predictor for surges in right wing violent activity

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01:18:15,720 --> 01:18:19,479
Speaker 1: and militant activity are The best predictor is not poverty

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01:18:19,600 --> 01:18:23,919
Speaker 1: or immigration, or reactionary mindset or the advances of communities

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01:18:23,920 --> 01:18:26,200
Speaker 1: of color. The best predictor is the aftermath of warfare.

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01:18:26,400 --> 01:18:28,320
Speaker 1: We see sturgis of the plan after the Civil War,

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01:18:28,360 --> 01:18:30,400
Speaker 1: after World War One, after World War two, after Korea,

1530
01:18:30,560 --> 01:18:33,240
Speaker 1: after Vietnam, and we're seeing one now with the Global

1531
01:18:33,240 --> 01:18:35,200
Speaker 1: War on Terror. I skipped to the Gulf War, but

1532
01:18:35,240 --> 01:18:37,120
Speaker 1: of course the Gulf War fuel to the Oklahoma City

1533
01:18:37,120 --> 01:18:38,880
Speaker 1: bombing nineteen ninety five, which was carried out by a

1534
01:18:38,880 --> 01:18:43,000
Speaker 1: white power activist with other movement connections. And one thing

1535
01:18:43,040 --> 01:18:44,840
Speaker 1: to think about here is that this is really not

1536
01:18:45,320 --> 01:18:48,000
Speaker 1: just veterans. In fact, the research shows us coming out

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01:18:48,040 --> 01:18:52,040
Speaker 1: of sociology, that all measures of violence are higher in

1538
01:18:52,080 --> 01:18:54,519
Speaker 1: the aftermath of warfare. So it isn't that war is

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01:18:54,560 --> 01:18:57,559
Speaker 1: creating violence among these groups. It's that these groups, which

1540
01:18:57,680 --> 01:19:01,000
Speaker 1: use opportunistic recruitment and radicalization practice, is are able to

1541
01:19:01,040 --> 01:19:04,880
Speaker 1: take advantage of this broader disaffection and violent tendency in

1542
01:19:04,920 --> 01:19:07,840
Speaker 1: society in those moments, and that's what really escalates their

1543
01:19:07,880 --> 01:19:11,759
Speaker 1: membership numbers and creates opportunities for violent impact. This connection

1544
01:19:11,840 --> 01:19:15,200
Speaker 1: between war and violence at home is not limited to America,

1545
01:19:15,200 --> 01:19:17,439
Speaker 1: of course, after all, the Nazi movement came directly out

1546
01:19:17,439 --> 01:19:20,679
Speaker 1: of the humiliation of World War One. Now, listen, we'd

1547
01:19:20,680 --> 01:19:22,800
Speaker 1: be very clear in saying two things. First of all,

1548
01:19:22,840 --> 01:19:25,759
Speaker 1: this is in no way to disparage all military veterans

1549
01:19:25,760 --> 01:19:28,439
Speaker 1: as racist thugs. Quite the contrary, These trends are about

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01:19:28,479 --> 01:19:31,600
Speaker 1: a very small fringe percentage of veterans and like minded civilians.

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01:19:31,960 --> 01:19:35,760
Speaker 1: Second of all, as always, detailing the sociological conditions that

1552
01:19:35,800 --> 01:19:39,240
Speaker 1: breed extremism in no way absolves the extremists themselves of

1553
01:19:39,280 --> 01:19:42,799
Speaker 1: culpability for their violent acts. The link between war abroad

1554
01:19:42,960 --> 01:19:46,080
Speaker 1: and violence at home, it does make some sense. Some

1555
01:19:46,120 --> 01:19:48,280
Speaker 1: of the white power leaders who came out of Vietnam

1556
01:19:48,320 --> 01:19:51,679
Speaker 1: spoke directly about how violence begets violence, explaining they couldn't

1557
01:19:51,680 --> 01:19:54,519
Speaker 1: really see the difference between the government sanctioned killings abroad

1558
01:19:54,840 --> 01:19:58,000
Speaker 1: and their ideological race war at home. According to Blue,

1559
01:19:58,040 --> 01:20:00,799
Speaker 1: white Power movement leader Lewis Bem explained to a reporter

1560
01:20:00,920 --> 01:20:04,439
Speaker 1: described who was disguised as a clansman, quote, I knew

1561
01:20:04,479 --> 01:20:06,800
Speaker 1: the battle was not over the mere fact that I

1562
01:20:06,840 --> 01:20:09,679
Speaker 1: had returned from Vietnam did not mean the war was over.

1563
01:20:09,800 --> 01:20:12,200
Speaker 1: It was going on right here in the States. I

1564
01:20:12,280 --> 01:20:14,519
Speaker 1: knew right then and there I had to get engaged

1565
01:20:14,560 --> 01:20:17,519
Speaker 1: again and fight the enemy over here. If you kill

1566
01:20:17,560 --> 01:20:20,120
Speaker 1: the enemy, you go to jail. Over there in Vietnam,

1567
01:20:20,200 --> 01:20:22,240
Speaker 1: if you killed the enemy, they gave you a medal.

1568
01:20:22,680 --> 01:20:25,960
Speaker 1: I couldn't see the difference. Gives new meaning to the

1569
01:20:25,960 --> 01:20:29,200
Speaker 1: phrase forever war for these dudes killing Communis and hating

1570
01:20:29,240 --> 01:20:31,920
Speaker 1: Jews and black people, while that was all bundled up together.

1571
01:20:32,280 --> 01:20:34,519
Speaker 1: What's more, in the Vietnam War, as in our Reagan

1572
01:20:34,560 --> 01:20:37,120
Speaker 1: era Cold War interventions, and as in Iraq and as

1573
01:20:37,160 --> 01:20:41,240
Speaker 1: in Afghanistan, little distinction was made between civilians and combatants.

1574
01:20:41,280 --> 01:20:43,200
Speaker 1: And if the government couldn't be counted on to finish

1575
01:20:43,240 --> 01:20:46,440
Speaker 1: the job, well, then these extremists would take it on themselves.

1576
01:20:46,800 --> 01:20:48,880
Speaker 1: I've no doubt that the reasons the US stands out

1577
01:20:48,920 --> 01:20:51,200
Speaker 1: in terms of violence in general mass shootings in particular

1578
01:20:51,200 --> 01:20:55,280
Speaker 1: are complex and very multifaceted. But this connection between violent hate,

1579
01:20:55,280 --> 01:20:58,759
Speaker 1: field ideology, and war is as relevant as ever, considering

1580
01:20:58,760 --> 01:21:01,360
Speaker 1: that plenty of our political classes have launched headlong into

1581
01:21:01,400 --> 01:21:03,840
Speaker 1: a new Cold War with Russia, and that some seem

1582
01:21:03,880 --> 01:21:06,639
Speaker 1: to be pushing for even more than that. The ugly

1583
01:21:06,720 --> 01:21:10,360
Speaker 1: deeds we enlist americans in abroad do not stay overseas.

1584
01:21:10,560 --> 01:21:14,280
Speaker 1: The dehumanization of innocent civilians is not bounded by oceans

1585
01:21:14,400 --> 01:21:16,600
Speaker 1: or by borders. And that's to say nothing of the

1586
01:21:16,640 --> 01:21:19,360
Speaker 1: billions and weapons that we're sending with zero accountability into

1587
01:21:19,360 --> 01:21:22,639
Speaker 1: the hands of God knows who in Ukraine. Something tells

1588
01:21:22,680 --> 01:21:24,479
Speaker 1: me you're not going to hear much about this research

1589
01:21:24,560 --> 01:21:26,719
Speaker 1: as the Senate votes this week on tons of billions

1590
01:21:26,720 --> 01:21:31,160
Speaker 1: more in weapons shipments. Sager, You know, it's very easy,

1591
01:21:31,360 --> 01:21:33,479
Speaker 1: and I feel like liberals like to do this a lot.

1592
01:21:33,800 --> 01:21:36,599
Speaker 1: And if you want to hear my reaction to Crystal's monologue,

1593
01:21:36,600 --> 01:21:42,679
Speaker 1: become a premium subscriber today at Breakingpoints dot Com. All right, Sager,

1594
01:21:42,680 --> 01:21:43,960
Speaker 1: what are you looking at? If there's ever a time

1595
01:21:44,000 --> 01:21:46,439
Speaker 1: to have a conversation about energy, it's right now. Gas

1596
01:21:46,479 --> 01:21:50,599
Speaker 1: prices yesterday hit the all time high again, electroitricity prices

1597
01:21:50,640 --> 01:21:53,479
Speaker 1: across the country are at record highs, with utility gas

1598
01:21:53,600 --> 01:21:57,240
Speaker 1: in particular acting as a major driver of inflation. Europe

1599
01:21:57,280 --> 01:21:59,760
Speaker 1: is talking about phasing out Russian oil and gas which

1600
01:21:59,840 --> 01:22:01,880
Speaker 1: means means there will be an increased competition on the

1601
01:22:01,880 --> 01:22:06,040
Speaker 1: global market for an even more finite source of petroleum products,

1602
01:22:06,200 --> 01:22:09,360
Speaker 1: meaning we're all likely to pay higher prices for years

1603
01:22:09,560 --> 01:22:11,720
Speaker 1: to come. So what do we do about it? This

1604
01:22:11,760 --> 01:22:14,599
Speaker 1: is the ultimate question. It's one that modern establishment liberals

1605
01:22:14,640 --> 01:22:17,160
Speaker 1: have an answer for. We need renewables, they say, and

1606
01:22:17,240 --> 01:22:19,760
Speaker 1: I agree with that sentiment, But in that phrase, what

1607
01:22:19,800 --> 01:22:22,559
Speaker 1: they really mean is solar and wind power. Now we

1608
01:22:22,640 --> 01:22:25,639
Speaker 1: have spoken here before. Solar and wind power are really

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01:22:25,680 --> 01:22:29,759
Speaker 1: awful sources of power In terms of reliability. Both solar

1610
01:22:29,800 --> 01:22:32,960
Speaker 1: and wind operate only at twenty five to thirty percent

1611
01:22:33,040 --> 01:22:38,360
Speaker 1: of their total capacity, which means if behind coal, natural gas,

1612
01:22:38,400 --> 01:22:42,160
Speaker 1: and nuclear power, of those three, only one is renewable.

1613
01:22:42,320 --> 01:22:45,280
Speaker 1: It's nuclear, and yet it is completely missing from the

1614
01:22:45,280 --> 01:22:50,360
Speaker 1: ideological conversation around renewable power. Their ideological opposition to nuclear

1615
01:22:50,400 --> 01:22:53,360
Speaker 1: power has led to a wholesale endorsement of solar with

1616
01:22:53,560 --> 01:22:56,280
Speaker 1: all of the consequences be dammed, and is leading to

1617
01:22:56,360 --> 01:22:59,599
Speaker 1: a massive showdown here in the United States over trade policy.

1618
01:23:00,120 --> 01:23:02,919
Speaker 1: Put this on the screen right now. The solar industry

1619
01:23:02,920 --> 01:23:06,759
Speaker 1: in the United States is frozen. Why because we actually

1620
01:23:06,880 --> 01:23:10,760
Speaker 1: don't make almost any solar components in this country. It's

1621
01:23:10,800 --> 01:23:15,479
Speaker 1: nearly entirely imported from abroad. Surprise, surprise. The US Commerce

1622
01:23:15,479 --> 01:23:18,760
Speaker 1: Department is now currently conducting an investigation into whether the

1623
01:23:18,800 --> 01:23:22,320
Speaker 1: industry and its supply chain is riddled with manipulative Chinese

1624
01:23:22,320 --> 01:23:26,080
Speaker 1: trade practices, which are using cutout companies in Southeast Asia

1625
01:23:26,160 --> 01:23:29,680
Speaker 1: to try and go around US tariffs. The investigation, if

1626
01:23:29,680 --> 01:23:33,799
Speaker 1: it finds manipulative Chinese trade practices, would put retroactive tariffs

1627
01:23:33,840 --> 01:23:37,400
Speaker 1: on panels imported, which is why the interim period the

1628
01:23:37,560 --> 01:23:39,960
Speaker 1: entire industry is frozen. Now. Rather than deal with the

1629
01:23:40,000 --> 01:23:42,760
Speaker 1: fact that we basically don't have a single part of

1630
01:23:42,800 --> 01:23:45,479
Speaker 1: the solar supply chain in America, what do you think

1631
01:23:45,479 --> 01:23:48,120
Speaker 1: that these people are doing. They are pressing the Biden

1632
01:23:48,120 --> 01:23:52,640
Speaker 1: administration to influence the investigation and allow solar installers in

1633
01:23:52,680 --> 01:23:56,160
Speaker 1: the US to simply go forward with business for ideological reason,

1634
01:23:56,560 --> 01:23:59,680
Speaker 1: even if China does own the entire supply chain. Now,

1635
01:23:59,720 --> 01:24:02,040
Speaker 1: this is especially troubling for a number of reasons. Let's

1636
01:24:02,040 --> 01:24:03,960
Speaker 1: say solar is a better source of power than it

1637
01:24:04,000 --> 01:24:06,800
Speaker 1: actually is, and in effect, what states like California and

1638
01:24:06,840 --> 01:24:08,759
Speaker 1: others who are going all in on solar are saying

1639
01:24:09,080 --> 01:24:12,720
Speaker 1: is let's ditch American made natural gas and nuclear Let's

1640
01:24:12,720 --> 01:24:14,800
Speaker 1: put all of our eggs in a basket of technology

1641
01:24:14,920 --> 01:24:17,679
Speaker 1: which we own almost zero percent of the supply chain

1642
01:24:17,720 --> 01:24:21,040
Speaker 1: for and are entirely dependent on our adversary for if

1643
01:24:21,120 --> 01:24:23,040
Speaker 1: we got into a conflict with China in the future,

1644
01:24:23,200 --> 01:24:25,240
Speaker 1: or if we have trade objections twenty years from now

1645
01:24:25,360 --> 01:24:27,640
Speaker 1: and we only have solar, what the hell are we

1646
01:24:27,680 --> 01:24:29,840
Speaker 1: supposed to do if we rely on them for all

1647
01:24:29,840 --> 01:24:32,880
Speaker 1: of the parts for our new fangled power. Well, they

1648
01:24:32,880 --> 01:24:35,879
Speaker 1: didn't think about that one worse. Per a new report

1649
01:24:35,920 --> 01:24:38,519
Speaker 1: from the American Prospect, the trade group which wraps the

1650
01:24:38,640 --> 01:24:42,360
Speaker 1: entire solar industry actually includes companies in it which benefit

1651
01:24:42,439 --> 01:24:46,760
Speaker 1: from Chinese slave labor. Now Seia, which is a solar organization,

1652
01:24:47,000 --> 01:24:51,720
Speaker 1: strongly disputes that characterization. Their communications director, who happens to

1653
01:24:51,760 --> 01:24:54,320
Speaker 1: be a major fan of Breaking points, has disputed this.

1654
01:24:54,640 --> 01:24:56,840
Speaker 1: I am just going to say, I read his explanation,

1655
01:24:57,200 --> 01:24:59,920
Speaker 1: I remain unconvinced by the semantics that he and his

1656
01:25:00,080 --> 01:25:03,040
Speaker 1: group are trying to portray the situation. The basic fact

1657
01:25:03,160 --> 01:25:06,120
Speaker 1: is this solar is not a great source of renewable

1658
01:25:06,120 --> 01:25:09,280
Speaker 1: power except in a limited number of instances. Its lack

1659
01:25:09,280 --> 01:25:12,960
Speaker 1: of capacity means that it has major surge problems like

1660
01:25:13,000 --> 01:25:15,720
Speaker 1: ones that we have coming down the pipeline in California,

1661
01:25:15,840 --> 01:25:19,599
Speaker 1: Texas and Indiana, meaning it will always require a higher

1662
01:25:19,600 --> 01:25:23,000
Speaker 1: capacity form of power to back it up. Right now,

1663
01:25:23,880 --> 01:25:27,200
Speaker 1: an establishment democratic promise is that, well, we're just going

1664
01:25:27,280 --> 01:25:31,280
Speaker 1: to have excess capacity in batteries, except when you read further,

1665
01:25:31,560 --> 01:25:34,759
Speaker 1: they admit that the batteries don't exist yet, which means

1666
01:25:34,800 --> 01:25:39,000
Speaker 1: in practice, to have unreliable solar power, you need natural

1667
01:25:39,080 --> 01:25:42,160
Speaker 1: gas plants to back up the grid in a time

1668
01:25:42,240 --> 01:25:45,280
Speaker 1: of crisis. Now that's really bad because not only is

1669
01:25:45,360 --> 01:25:49,080
Speaker 1: natural gas bad from a greenhouse gas emissions perspective, but

1670
01:25:49,160 --> 01:25:53,200
Speaker 1: when compared to renewable right now, it is historically expensive

1671
01:25:53,479 --> 01:25:55,880
Speaker 1: because it is priced by the global market and the

1672
01:25:55,960 --> 01:25:59,640
Speaker 1: Russia crisis. This means, in a crunch that consumers will

1673
01:25:59,640 --> 01:26:03,920
Speaker 1: get large, astronomically high prices that are also bad for

1674
01:26:03,960 --> 01:26:07,960
Speaker 1: the environment, all because Chinese made solar panels are not

1675
01:26:08,120 --> 01:26:11,240
Speaker 1: up to the task. Now, don't believe me, Let's revisit

1676
01:26:11,280 --> 01:26:14,200
Speaker 1: the tale of the Indian Point Nuclear Power Plant. Well,

1677
01:26:14,360 --> 01:26:17,519
Speaker 1: what happened here? New York Democrats worked hard to close

1678
01:26:17,560 --> 01:26:20,240
Speaker 1: the Indian Point Nuclear Power Plant near New York City.

1679
01:26:20,439 --> 01:26:22,840
Speaker 1: Almost all of the replacement power that that plant was

1680
01:26:22,880 --> 01:26:26,120
Speaker 1: providing is now being produced by natural gas fired plants,

1681
01:26:26,280 --> 01:26:29,719
Speaker 1: which means that New York traded a clean, renewable source

1682
01:26:29,800 --> 01:26:33,960
Speaker 1: of cheaper power for a more carbon emitting one. Now

1683
01:26:34,120 --> 01:26:36,840
Speaker 1: that really is not saving the environment. All of this

1684
01:26:36,960 --> 01:26:39,960
Speaker 1: is because major Blue states like California and New York

1685
01:26:40,160 --> 01:26:43,960
Speaker 1: have passed major renewable targets in their state legislatures which

1686
01:26:44,000 --> 01:26:46,960
Speaker 1: require a huge portion of their power to be provided

1687
01:26:47,120 --> 01:26:50,080
Speaker 1: by renewables. Again, I think that's a great sentiment, but

1688
01:26:50,160 --> 01:26:52,360
Speaker 1: this is also why they are pressing so hard for

1689
01:26:52,439 --> 01:26:55,840
Speaker 1: the Biden administration to waive the tariffs and the investigation,

1690
01:26:56,160 --> 01:26:58,759
Speaker 1: because they do not care if it comes from China,

1691
01:26:59,040 --> 01:27:01,559
Speaker 1: if it's made and produces an immense amount of toxic

1692
01:27:01,600 --> 01:27:04,799
Speaker 1: waste in Southeast Asia, which it does, it still reduces

1693
01:27:04,880 --> 01:27:07,479
Speaker 1: US resiliency. They don't care as long as it hits

1694
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Speaker 1: the targets. Their renewable goals, regardless of context, are all

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01:27:11,040 --> 01:27:13,679
Speaker 1: that matter to them. Now, Look, I'm not letting Republicans

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01:27:13,720 --> 01:27:15,800
Speaker 1: off the hook. Part of the reason that Texas Grid

1697
01:27:15,800 --> 01:27:18,760
Speaker 1: failed and is predicted to fail again is specifically because

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01:27:18,760 --> 01:27:22,080
Speaker 1: of an ideological commitment to natural gas and just lack

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01:27:22,120 --> 01:27:25,840
Speaker 1: of state investment. Texas equipment was not weatherized and thus

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01:27:25,920 --> 01:27:28,560
Speaker 1: was unable to flex during crisis. Guess what type of

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01:27:28,600 --> 01:27:31,800
Speaker 1: power is easily weatherized, has high capacity, and is easy

1702
01:27:31,800 --> 01:27:34,599
Speaker 1: to use in flex. Yeah, you guessed it. It's nuclear power.

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01:27:34,720 --> 01:27:37,960
Speaker 1: Yet fifty four percent of nuclear power of Texas power

1704
01:27:38,080 --> 01:27:41,599
Speaker 1: is generated by natural gas, only nine percent is generated

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01:27:41,600 --> 01:27:44,160
Speaker 1: by nuclear power. They get more than double the amount

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01:27:44,200 --> 01:27:47,360
Speaker 1: of power from coal the nuclear in the year twenty

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01:27:47,400 --> 01:27:51,960
Speaker 1: twenty two. That's insane, it's unjustifiable, and it's also ideological

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01:27:51,960 --> 01:27:55,240
Speaker 1: in its opposition. Does nuclear have problems, Yeah, from what

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01:27:55,280 --> 01:27:58,080
Speaker 1: I can gather, it's mostly branding. People are deathly afraid

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01:27:58,080 --> 01:28:00,639
Speaker 1: of accidents based upon the way that the Soviet ran

1711
01:28:00,720 --> 01:28:03,439
Speaker 1: chernobyl and because of old fashioned scares, but not the

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01:28:03,479 --> 01:28:06,200
Speaker 1: actual facts from the problems at Three Mile Island or

1713
01:28:06,240 --> 01:28:10,240
Speaker 1: at Fukushima. Nuclear is clean, it's renewable, it's American made

1714
01:28:10,280 --> 01:28:13,680
Speaker 1: power that is being willfully ignored by both sides to

1715
01:28:13,760 --> 01:28:17,200
Speaker 1: gouge your electric bills. Now, are they are making us

1716
01:28:17,360 --> 01:28:20,439
Speaker 1: more prone to blackouts? They want to further sell this

1717
01:28:20,479 --> 01:28:23,720
Speaker 1: country hut to China, And all of this is just

1718
01:28:23,760 --> 01:28:26,479
Speaker 1: a cause of culture war. A solution to our problem

1719
01:28:26,760 --> 01:28:29,360
Speaker 1: is staring us in the face. And because we are

1720
01:28:29,400 --> 01:28:31,759
Speaker 1: unable to see pass pointing the finger at one another,

1721
01:28:31,960 --> 01:28:34,840
Speaker 1: we are getting weaker and less resilient by the day.

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01:28:35,160 --> 01:28:37,920
Speaker 1: At least when the rolling blackouts come this summer, do

1723
01:28:38,000 --> 01:28:40,320
Speaker 1: not say that you weren't warned. And when they do,

1724
01:28:40,600 --> 01:28:43,160
Speaker 1: no matter what part of the country you're in, remember

1725
01:28:43,520 --> 01:28:47,360
Speaker 1: you are suffering and try to push better policy with

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01:28:47,479 --> 01:28:51,080
Speaker 1: your votes. I just I cannot stand this ideology conversation

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01:28:51,160 --> 01:28:53,879
Speaker 1: in California, And if you want to hear my reaction

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Speaker 1: to Sagre's monologue, become a premium subscriber today at breakingpoints

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Speaker 1: dot com. Join us now. Is the co founder and

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Speaker 1: executive director of the Quincy Institute, Doctor Treeta Parsi. Great

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01:29:06,680 --> 01:29:10,120
Speaker 1: to see you, sir, Good iss esr for having it. So.

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Speaker 1: We wanted to get your view of the potential expansion

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01:29:14,800 --> 01:29:18,639
Speaker 1: of NATO to include Finland and Sweden through the second

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01:29:18,640 --> 01:29:21,000
Speaker 1: element Colvin that we have up on the screen here.

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Speaker 1: So very latest is both of these countries want to join.

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01:29:24,640 --> 01:29:27,519
Speaker 1: Both Sweden and Finland that is a dramatic shift from

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Speaker 1: their posture of neutrality that has been you know in

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Speaker 1: place for decades now. Most member NATO member countries are

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01:29:35,680 --> 01:29:38,679
Speaker 1: good with this, ready to see it happen. But Turkey

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01:29:39,080 --> 01:29:42,320
Speaker 1: seems to have some reluctance to agree. And of course

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01:29:42,360 --> 01:29:44,879
Speaker 1: it has to be unanimous to allow new member countries

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Speaker 1: into natives. So if you could just lay out, sort

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01:29:47,960 --> 01:29:50,800
Speaker 1: of lay the land, why this matters, what it means

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01:29:50,800 --> 01:29:54,839
Speaker 1: and what the obstacles are here. Well, obviously this matters

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01:29:54,880 --> 01:29:59,240
Speaker 1: tremendously because if Sweden and Finland, and Finland particular joins,

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Speaker 1: it means that the border with Russia expands another eight

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Speaker 1: hundred miles, or so eight hundred and ten miles, I believe.

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Speaker 1: So what you're seeing here is a process in which

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Speaker 1: the neutral space in Europe is essentially going extinct. Now

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01:30:15,360 --> 01:30:20,200
Speaker 1: you're with NATO or you're with Russia, and it's hard

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Speaker 1: for me to see how that actually will make the

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01:30:22,600 --> 01:30:26,080
Speaker 1: region more stable and make the NATO countries, including the

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Speaker 1: United States, more safe. That is not to say that

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01:30:29,120 --> 01:30:31,800
Speaker 1: this is not being caused by what Russia did but

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Speaker 1: with the invasion of Ukraine. But we are you know,

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01:30:35,439 --> 01:30:39,600
Speaker 1: our actions have consequences as well, and an expansion of

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01:30:39,640 --> 01:30:42,560
Speaker 1: this kind has to be thought through very very carefully,

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01:30:43,439 --> 01:30:46,599
Speaker 1: and if there's anything that characterizes what has been happening,

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01:30:46,640 --> 01:30:50,599
Speaker 1: particularly in the Swedish case, is that it's been rushed through.

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01:30:50,840 --> 01:30:54,439
Speaker 1: It's been almost in a panic mode, and it's in

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Speaker 1: my view, at least in the Swedish case, not been

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Speaker 1: particularly democratic. Now the rest of the native countries have

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01:31:01,080 --> 01:31:04,479
Speaker 1: to have a say as well. You mentioned Turkey. Turkey

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01:31:04,600 --> 01:31:08,719
Speaker 1: is essentially trying to get something out of this. They're

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Speaker 1: creating obstacles in order to get concessions from the Swedes

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Speaker 1: in particular, who have been more welcoming of certain Kurdish

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Speaker 1: opposition groups than the Turks have been happy with. So

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Speaker 1: I think this is a typical tactic that Eddergun uses

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Speaker 1: every once in a while to make sure that he

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Speaker 1: gets something. So I don't see that as being a

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Speaker 1: long term obstacle, but it may delay things, and it

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Speaker 1: may delay things in a way that actually is relevant

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Speaker 1: because the Swedes have elections coming up in a couple

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Speaker 1: of months, and he could delay it beyond that election. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, doctor Parsi, you yourself are a citizen in Sweden,

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Speaker 1: so tell us, given your perspective and explain a little

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01:31:49,720 --> 01:31:52,719
Speaker 1: bit to the audience the things that we're being told

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01:31:52,960 --> 01:31:57,040
Speaker 1: in the US press is well, the Swedish people were

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Speaker 1: against this, but now therefore this as a result of

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Speaker 1: the Ukrainian invasion. I'm certain that isn't our organic phenomena,

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01:32:04,840 --> 01:32:07,320
Speaker 1: but is it the entire story? Give us your perspective,

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Speaker 1: great question. Let me first separate Sweden and Finland. In

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Speaker 1: the Finish case, you've had a much more substantive debate.

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Speaker 1: You just had a vote in the parliament earlier today

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Speaker 1: one hundred and eighty eight to eight in favor of

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Speaker 1: going in, and public opinion in Finland has switched dramatically

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Speaker 1: in favor of going into NATO. The case in Sweden

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Speaker 1: is rather different. Public opinion has shifted, but it's shifted

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Speaker 1: to roughly fifty two percent in favor. The debate, in

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Speaker 1: my view, has been rather weak and of the nature

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Speaker 1: in which if you are raising any question marks, you're

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Speaker 1: immediately cast as someone who's sympathetic to putin. I mean,

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Speaker 1: in fact, it reminds me a little bit about the

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Speaker 1: debate in the United States about the Iraq War back

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Speaker 1: in two thousand and three, and it's very very uncommon

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Speaker 1: to see this in Sweden. I mean, this is part

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Speaker 1: of the reason I'm so shocked. Sweden's democracy has been

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Speaker 1: tremendously strong and the debate has been high level, and

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Speaker 1: in this case it's not the case at all. I

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Speaker 1: remember back in the nineteen ninety's when Sweden was going

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Speaker 1: to potentially join the EU. They were extensive debates taking

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Speaker 1: place and it was followed by a referendum in which

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Speaker 1: there was actually a vote by everyone in the country

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Speaker 1: arguing whether they casting about whether they should join, but

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Speaker 1: was only a political and economic union that had no

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Speaker 1: military dimensioned at all. Here we're talking about a major

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Speaker 1: military alliance that breaks with more than seventy years of

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Speaker 1: Swedish neutrality, and there's no vote, there's no referendum, and

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Speaker 1: the debate has been forced through in a panic mode,

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Speaker 1: which perhaps would have been justified if the Russians had

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Speaker 1: managed to take Heath in three days, which was of

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01:33:50,560 --> 01:33:52,720
Speaker 1: course was the fear in the beginning, but that's not

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Speaker 1: been the case. Russia's objectives in Ukraine have by and

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Speaker 1: largely been defeated and the Ukrainians have very heroically their country.

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Speaker 1: So the panic that would have been justified if the

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Speaker 1: Russians had succeeded is not there yet. It is panic.

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Speaker 1: In my view, that has characterized much of the debate

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Speaker 1: in Sweden on this issue. It's being rushed through, and

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Speaker 1: even though no one is saying it in Washington publicly, privately,

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Speaker 1: I'm hearing concerns about this as well in question marks.

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Speaker 1: Are we doing this a little bit too fast? How

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Speaker 1: we thought this through? Because at the end of the day,

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Speaker 1: what is our vision for security in Europe after all

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Speaker 1: of this? Are we going to be in a permanent

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Speaker 1: enmity with Russia? Where do we want to take this?

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Speaker 1: Those questions are not being asked. Yeah, I mean it

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Speaker 1: seems pretty clear that that is exactly the direction that

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Speaker 1: you're going in as sort of a new Cold War

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Speaker 1: with Russia. You know, there has been language about we

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Speaker 1: don't want to give Putin an off ramp, that the

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Speaker 1: goal here is not to secure a piece for Ukraine,

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Speaker 1: but ultimately to weak in Russia. And to your point,

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Speaker 1: you know, I sort of feel like, well, at least

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Speaker 1: in Sweeden the debate might be bad, but at least

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Speaker 1: one is happening here. It's being presented as a FATA complete. Actually,

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Speaker 1: there's major significant implications for the American public as well.

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Speaker 1: So what do you think that people should be considering

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Speaker 1: as they wait whether we should agree to admit Sweden

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Speaker 1: and Finland to NATO. Well, the question mark that is

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Speaker 1: the most fundamental when it comes to adding any country

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Speaker 1: to NATO is not whether it makes that country more safe.

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Speaker 1: That's a decision they have to make when they make

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01:35:26,720 --> 01:35:29,479
Speaker 1: a decision where we apply or not. The question we

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Speaker 1: have to ask ourselves is this going to make us

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Speaker 1: a NATO as a home more safe or is it

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Speaker 1: going to increase the likelihood of a conflict. Now, in

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Speaker 1: the case of Sweden and Finland, and certainly in the

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Speaker 1: case of Finland, we're talking about a country that actually

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Speaker 1: has a very strong military, has a capacity of mobilizing

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Speaker 1: nine hundred thousand troops. In the Swedish case, they already

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01:35:49,760 --> 01:35:51,559
Speaker 1: got rid of their draft a couple of years ago,

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01:35:51,800 --> 01:35:55,240
Speaker 1: and they've not you know, they've reduced military spending, etc.

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01:35:55,479 --> 01:35:57,040
Speaker 1: And they're going to have to increase it in order

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Speaker 1: for them to actually be a country that contributes to

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01:36:00,400 --> 01:36:04,400
Speaker 1: NATO's security. But all in all, those are critical questions

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Speaker 1: that have to be taken in the context of a

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01:36:07,760 --> 01:36:11,960
Speaker 1: very very serious consideration as to whether this actually adds

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Speaker 1: security and in such a way that it overcompensates for

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Speaker 1: the fact that we may actually be increasing the likelihood

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Speaker 1: of conflict as well. I mean, we're adding eight hundred

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Speaker 1: more miles of borders with Russia. And again, it's not

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01:36:26,520 --> 01:36:29,160
Speaker 1: a debate that seems to be taken very seriously, but

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Speaker 1: it is an extremely serious decision that needs to be made.

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Speaker 1: I think that in the context of our debate, and

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Speaker 1: you wrote a little bit about this, let's put this

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Speaker 1: up there on the screen from on MSNBC, which you know,

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Speaker 1: certainly an interesting perspective over on that website. Then I think,

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Speaker 1: contrary to what they're used to hearing, you're saying that

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Speaker 1: Biden and Russia's Ukraine war mission creep is an alarmingly

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Speaker 1: slippery slope. Can you characterize the argument that you made

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Speaker 1: there also in the context of NATO expansion. Yeah. So

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Speaker 1: one of the things that making this article is to

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Speaker 1: show that when you take a look at what's been

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Speaker 1: happening in the position that we have taken on this

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01:37:08,120 --> 01:37:11,240
Speaker 1: war from the beginning to now, we see an expansion

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01:37:11,920 --> 01:37:16,240
Speaker 1: of our objectives as well as a direction in which

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01:37:16,280 --> 01:37:20,160
Speaker 1: the objective objectives are getting less and less precise. And

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01:37:20,200 --> 01:37:23,519
Speaker 1: this is something that unfortunately happens when you're successful. We

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01:37:23,640 --> 01:37:25,519
Speaker 1: have been successful because at the end of the day,

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Speaker 1: the Russians have not been able to take here or

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Speaker 1: many other cities in Ukraine, and the Ukrainians have fought

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Speaker 1: back very, very effectively. And this seems to have vetter

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01:37:35,680 --> 01:37:39,000
Speaker 1: our appetites, so now we want more. And there's a parallel.

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Speaker 1: This is what happened in Afghanistan. And Afghanistan the objective

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Speaker 1: originally was only to go in and take out Al Qaeda,

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Speaker 1: punish them for having attacked the United States. Then, because

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Speaker 1: that was so quick and successful, we dramatically changed the objective.

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Speaker 1: Now we're going to turn Afghanistan into a new Switzerland.

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Speaker 1: And that was an extremely ambiti and completely unachievable objective

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Speaker 1: that set the stage for twenty years of failed warfare.

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Speaker 1: We run the risk of doing the same thing here,

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01:38:09,760 --> 01:38:14,560
Speaker 1: in which adding and expanding our objectives, making them less precise,

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01:38:14,920 --> 01:38:18,320
Speaker 1: actually makes success much more difficult and sets the stage

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Speaker 1: for a much longer, perhaps endless conflict. The big difference,

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Speaker 1: of course, is the Taliban did not have six thousand

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Speaker 1: nuclear weapons footin does, so we have to think this

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Speaker 1: through much much more carefully than we are right now.

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Speaker 1: Having said that, I want to also say this, I

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Speaker 1: think there's been some clear signals want to buy the

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Speaker 1: administration in which they have been attempting at the escalation.

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Speaker 1: When Austin is calling the Russian Defense Ministry did last

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Speaker 1: week and called for a ceasefire, that's the first time

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Speaker 1: I've heard the administration use that word for about five

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Speaker 1: or six weeks. The question was that picked up by

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Speaker 1: others in Washington, because whenever the administration is saying something escalatory,

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Speaker 1: there's a chorus of people echoing it, expanding on it

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Speaker 1: even further and create further political space for going in

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Speaker 1: that direction. But when the bide illustration, intentionally or unintentionally

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Speaker 1: signaling some the escalation, where is the chorus. Where do

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Speaker 1: people in Congress and elsewhere nodding their heads and say, yes,

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Speaker 1: this is actually a good step, let's try to escalate

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Speaker 1: this conflict. We're not seeing that right now. And that

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Speaker 1: wears metremendously well. And you brought up the critical point,

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Speaker 1: which is, yes, Russia's objectives have been frustrated in their

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Speaker 1: invasion of Ukraine. However, this is still a nuclear superpower,

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Speaker 1: and in fact, with this discussion and contemplation of adding

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Speaker 1: Sweden and Finland into NATO. Russian State TV commentator said,

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Speaker 1: when NATO bases appear in Sweden and Finland, Russia will

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Speaker 1: have no choice but to neutralize the imbalance and new

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Speaker 1: threat by deploying tactical nuclear weapons. What do you think

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Speaker 1: we should make of that kind of language. Well, we

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Speaker 1: see that Russian escalation has begot on our escalation, which

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Speaker 1: then begets more Russian escalation. And the question is do

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Speaker 1: we have the strategic acumen in place here to make

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Speaker 1: sure that we actually find a peaceful way out of

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Speaker 1: this rather than just getting lost in an escalatory cycle

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Speaker 1: that can bring the end of civilization as we know it.

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Speaker 1: Mindful of the fact that the Russians are nuclear weapons,

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Speaker 1: and so do we. I mean, we have not been

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Speaker 1: as close to a nuclear military confrontation since the Cuban

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Speaker 1: missile crisis, and at least back then there was a

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Speaker 1: real effort to de escalate, and the political atmosphere I'm

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Speaker 1: sure was quite different than what it is right now,

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Speaker 1: in which it seems to be dramatically geared more favorable

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Speaker 1: towards further escalation, and everyone is just, you know, I

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Speaker 1: would say, emotionally taken by this, which is understandable. I mean,

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Speaker 1: what the Russians are doing in Ukraine, in my view,

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Speaker 1: is absolutely horrible. It's illegal in many ways, very similar

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Speaker 1: to the US invasion of Iraq. But we have to

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Speaker 1: keep in mind that the objective has to be to

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Speaker 1: put an end to the fighting and be able to

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Speaker 1: get out of all of this in a way that

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Speaker 1: on the one hand secures ukraine tratorial integrity and independence,

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Speaker 1: but also avoids nutriar war. Well well said, sir, Yeah, indeed,

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Speaker 1: and always important to keep in mind what the stakes

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Speaker 1: here ultimately are. Great to have you, doctor Parsi, thank you,

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