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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, home of the

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Speaker 1: modern whitetail hunter, and now your host, Mark Kenyon. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm your host, Mark Kenyan,

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Speaker 1: and this week on the show, I'm joined by Tony

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Speaker 1: Peterson to answer your questions. All right, welcome to the

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Speaker 1: Wired to Hunt podcast, brought to you by First Light.

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Speaker 1: Today we are talking the rut. As this one drops,

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Speaker 1: it will be kind of smack dab in the middle

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Speaker 1: of November, So we're gonna be talking about what has

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Speaker 1: just happened and what we still have to look forward

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Speaker 1: to over the coming weeks, and then we're gonna big

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Speaker 1: picture here answer a whole bunch of questions. We had

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Speaker 1: a whole slew of questions submitted from folks in the

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Speaker 1: wire hunt community about hunting during the rut, about the

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Speaker 1: second half of the rout, about how to find dear

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Speaker 1: the rest of the season, all kinds of stuff like that.

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Speaker 1: So we're tackling your questions and joining me is the

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Speaker 1: one and only space near Tony Peterson. How you doing, buddy,

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Speaker 1: I'm doing great, buddy. How are you good. I'm getting

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Speaker 1: a little more rested after that marathon we had there

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Speaker 1: in early November. So yeah, feeling good. Are you recovered yet?

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Speaker 1: I feel pretty good now, man, But I was. I

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Speaker 1: was pretty tired after that whole run too. It was

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Speaker 1: it was a good run. So last week on the podcast,

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Speaker 1: I recapped my first week in November hunt. Uh you

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Speaker 1: want to give me like your high level synopsis of

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Speaker 1: your seven days there in Minnesota Wisconsin? What was like

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Speaker 1: your big a what happened? B? What was your big takeaway? Uh? Man?

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Speaker 1: You know, the first three days of the hunt, I

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Speaker 1: spent and in public land in western Minnesota trying to

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Speaker 1: got around some deer, but man, I could not overcome

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Speaker 1: the seventy degrees forty mile prour wins. It just had weird,

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Speaker 1: weird bad luck. And then I went to Wisconsin thinking

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Speaker 1: it was going to be sort of a vacation being

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Speaker 1: just pouring crazy rain, and then finally two days to

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Speaker 1: got better, but it wasn't It wasn't great, and I

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Speaker 1: had I had one eight pointer kind of saved my

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Speaker 1: week on the last the last morning, so that was

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Speaker 1: very much appreciated, But I don't know. I'm sure I'm

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Speaker 1: just not remembering it very well. But I don't know

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Speaker 1: if I've ever had a rut that quite kicked my

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Speaker 1: butt like that. I mean, I just could not get

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Speaker 1: guess is it's so easy to go into the rut

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Speaker 1: thinking it's gonna be just you were fun and a

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Speaker 1: the time it ends up being a true grind that's,

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Speaker 1: you know, influenced by other hunters and the weather and

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Speaker 1: the whims of the deer, and it's still it still

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Speaker 1: requires you to really get after it, dude. That's exactly

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Speaker 1: my big takeaway too. And the biggest thing that kind

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Speaker 1: from it. Maybe the biggest thing, like the biggest problem

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Speaker 1: a lot of us have with the rut is our expectations,

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Speaker 1: Like we all go into this thing thinking it's going

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Speaker 1: to be we hype it up so much. You and

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Speaker 1: I are as as much to play about this as anyone,

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Speaker 1: But we all hype it up so much in our

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Speaker 1: the super Bowl, It's gonna be amazing. This is what

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Speaker 1: is what you experienced isn't too far off from you know,

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Speaker 1: probably the usual experience for most people, a whole lot

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Speaker 1: of tough hunts sprinkled in with a couple really exciting moments.

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Speaker 1: But if you I think if we were to go

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Speaker 1: just knowing like, all right, this is this is not

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Speaker 1: going to be like a great big hunting show highlight reel.

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Speaker 1: This is gonna be a grind, like you said. And maybe, maybe,

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Speaker 1: And then you get out there and you just like

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Speaker 1: when you prep for an elk hunt and you just think, like,

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Speaker 1: and it's just never. They're never gonna come easy. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's that is the truth. Um. But hey, we've managed

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Speaker 1: We both killed despite tough circumstances. Me at the end,

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Speaker 1: you're in the beginning. So kudos do us, handshakes, backslaps,

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Speaker 1: bless him. Next time. We'll get it next time. Hey,

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Speaker 1: speaking of well, not speaking of anything, but just popped

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Speaker 1: in my head. Have you heard the most wonderful time

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Speaker 1: to Kill Deer song? Yet? Uh? Oh dude? All right,

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Speaker 1: Hayden Cill the music boys. Good to see you, Hayden.

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Speaker 1: It's been a while. Hey, sorry I'm late. I crashed

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Speaker 1: my ponty at gast I can do a light pool

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Speaker 1: and how to walk the rest of the way. But

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Speaker 1: I'm here now, that's what matters. Give me a glass

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Speaker 1: of scotch please, Hey, just two rocks in there. I

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Speaker 1: don't like guys. We're starting already. This is happening. Okay,

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Speaker 1: here we go. It's the most wonderful time to kill deer.

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Speaker 1: With the rut now just starting and dashing and totting

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Speaker 1: and thanks cutting clean. It's the most wonderful time to

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Speaker 1: It's the half happiest seasing of all. There's gotta be

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Speaker 1: at least twelve cues with grunting and bleeding and called

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Speaker 1: half happiest seasing of all. There'll be pictures for posting

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Speaker 1: It's the most wonderful time to kill deer, not just

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Speaker 1: It's the most wonderful time to kill dean. Excuse me?

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Speaker 1: Can I have a napkin? Please? I just spilt some

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Speaker 1: scotch on my loafers. I can't have dirty loafers in

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Speaker 1: the studio. Thank you tailgate beers for drinking and big

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Speaker 1: boxes thinking and chasing and sent checking dose. They will

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Speaker 1: I was very unprepared for this. There will be much

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Speaker 1: the most swonderful time, Oh, the most swonderful time. It's

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Speaker 1: the most swonderful time to kill Dan. There's too much

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Speaker 1: ice in the glass. Two rocks, all right, So Tony,

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Speaker 1: you you didn't actually get to hear. Everybody else got

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Speaker 1: Phil rewrote the song the Christmas Carol the most Wonderful

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Speaker 1: Time of the Year, and they rewrote it and recorded

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Speaker 1: it as the most wonderful time to kill deer, and

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Speaker 1: it is amazing. Everybody just got to listen to it

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Speaker 1: for the third podcast in a row. I'm gonna I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna make this happen every episode in November. We're gonna

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Speaker 1: But that celebratory tune out of the way, now, Tony,

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Speaker 1: spense in Hayden, remember, and we got a question from

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Speaker 1: the dude's who who's handled? Was Chollopa Batman? And I

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Speaker 1: remember anything about that podcast other than given Hayden's girlfriend

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Speaker 1: that nicknamed the rodeo clown and a guy named Cholupa

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Speaker 1: Batman asked us a question. That's it, oh man, that

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Speaker 1: is a legendary I didn't I would not have remembered that.

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Speaker 1: That was like two years ago. That was a while ago.

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Speaker 1: That's a very strange memory. It's all I got, buddy,

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Speaker 1: I do appreciate. Well, let's do this thing, man all right?

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Speaker 1: Why is that? Because I think you get into, you know,

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Speaker 1: know about you, Mark, but when I run cameras through

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Speaker 1: I've hunted a lot of what should have been good betting,

428
00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:06,480
Speaker 1: you know, should be good midday spots, thick nasty cover,

429
00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:09,400
Speaker 1: funnels back in the cover, doe betting, all that kind

430
00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:12,520
Speaker 1: of stuff. I had one that I absolutely should have killed,

431
00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:15,159
Speaker 1: but I was looking at a book instead as the

432
00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:18,520
Speaker 1: buck came up behind me. Um. And then I've had

433
00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:20,800
Speaker 1: I've had a handful of like seeing good bucks movement there,

434
00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:23,480
Speaker 1: just couldn't get a shot. So it's possible, but it's

435
00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:25,720
Speaker 1: yet to pay off for me myself. But I know

436
00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:28,080
Speaker 1: plenty of people who have. Have you had a lot

437
00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:29,560
Speaker 1: of those mid days? I know you killed one last

438
00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:33,840
Speaker 1: year midday? No, I haven't. I've killed a few, you know.

439
00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:36,200
Speaker 1: I killed one last year at one o'clock and that

440
00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:38,679
Speaker 1: was just that was November six, and it was going

441
00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:41,520
Speaker 1: to happen. And I honestly think if I hadn't killed

442
00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:43,879
Speaker 1: my buck last week, I think I killed him at

443
00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:46,159
Speaker 1: like nine thirty or something in the morning. But I

444
00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:48,439
Speaker 1: honestly think if I hadn't killed that buck, another one

445
00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:50,919
Speaker 1: would have come through between like ten and two. I mean,

446
00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:55,640
Speaker 1: who knows, right, But even even so, I think there's

447
00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:59,919
Speaker 1: a difference of going in all day, you know, like

448
00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:04,879
Speaker 1: your mentality is different, and you're not like second guessing,

449
00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:06,960
Speaker 1: and you're not like I gotta leave or I'm gonna

450
00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:08,720
Speaker 1: go or should I was gonna leave at noon anyway,

451
00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:11,440
Speaker 1: so I'll leave at eleven. You're just like I'm just there,

452
00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:14,240
Speaker 1: and there's less of an impact on the woods. And

453
00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:17,119
Speaker 1: so I think overall, it's just you know, I mean,

454
00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:19,879
Speaker 1: we had such an interesting experiment with one week in

455
00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:23,200
Speaker 1: November because we had you honest this year, and man,

456
00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:26,240
Speaker 1: your honest checks into that group chat and he's moving,

457
00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:29,360
Speaker 1: and he's moving, and he's moving and he's moving, and

458
00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:33,000
Speaker 1: you're like, dude, you gotta maybe maybe pump the brakes

459
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:35,320
Speaker 1: on this a little bit. But it's so easy for

460
00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:39,720
Speaker 1: people to talk themselves into going. The ruts not happening here,

461
00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:43,480
Speaker 1: so I'm gonna move, And it's like you're not probably

462
00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:46,680
Speaker 1: gonna move and find like a magical difference, like you

463
00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:49,560
Speaker 1: might get into a better spot. But if you're sitting

464
00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:51,280
Speaker 1: there and you're in a spot that you're pretty confident

465
00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:52,919
Speaker 1: in and it's a pinch point or something like that,

466
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:56,439
Speaker 1: and it's just it's really not going that great yet.

467
00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:59,760
Speaker 1: The odds of just like discovering the place where it's

468
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:03,320
Speaker 1: blowing up, especially on a smaller property, it's not that likely.

469
00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:05,880
Speaker 1: So it's like, Okay, do you sit tight and let

470
00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:07,880
Speaker 1: the rut come to you or do you keep going

471
00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:10,879
Speaker 1: and going and going to find it? Like I honestly

472
00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:12,560
Speaker 1: don't know what's a better strategy, but I know what

473
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:15,560
Speaker 1: I pick. It's I feel like it is the question

474
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:18,000
Speaker 1: for the rut, at least for me, Like every single

475
00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:20,800
Speaker 1: year during the rut, that is the debate I'm having NonStop.

476
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:23,359
Speaker 1: If it's if it's slow, I'm constantly debating, and I

477
00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:25,959
Speaker 1: was doing this all last week. I was debating, do

478
00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:28,400
Speaker 1: I search it out or do I trust this place

479
00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:30,760
Speaker 1: I'm in? Do I trust this feature? Do I trust

480
00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:34,560
Speaker 1: this habitat edge? Do I trust this betting year? And

481
00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:37,280
Speaker 1: And basically on my hunt last last week, I had

482
00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:40,239
Speaker 1: two spots that I just really believe should work. I mean,

483
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:43,760
Speaker 1: it was a great wind situation downwind of an epic

484
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:46,480
Speaker 1: dough betting area. I had a really cool thing going

485
00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:48,639
Speaker 1: on there in these two locations. And I end up

486
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:50,600
Speaker 1: giving one spot a day and a half and the

487
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:52,280
Speaker 1: next day, with the wind shift, I switched to the

488
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:54,880
Speaker 1: other side of it and didn't see a single buck

489
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:56,480
Speaker 1: in those three days that I was hunting in this

490
00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:59,000
Speaker 1: this spot, the two sides of this betting air that

491
00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:01,199
Speaker 1: I thought should be amazed. And so I'm having this

492
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:03,679
Speaker 1: debate back and forth myself, and I'm thinking, Man, at

493
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:04,800
Speaker 1: the end of the hunt, I was like, am I

494
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 1: an idiot? I spend too much time in this little zone.

495
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:09,840
Speaker 1: Now again, it's a thirty two acre property. I really

496
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:14,840
Speaker 1: didn't have any other great options. Um, but I checked

497
00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:17,280
Speaker 1: my trail cameras the next day. So the day we left,

498
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:19,919
Speaker 1: so the morning after I was there, there was a

499
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:22,199
Speaker 1: shooter buck in front of my tree stand in that

500
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 1: spot that I had spent the last day and a half.

501
00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:26,520
Speaker 1: So it was one of those cases like if I

502
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:28,399
Speaker 1: you know, if I didn't have to leave and I

503
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:30,640
Speaker 1: had stuck it out there the next morning, I could

504
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:32,320
Speaker 1: have got a shot at one of the big bucks.

505
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:34,120
Speaker 1: He didn't come through the previous day and a half,

506
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:37,359
Speaker 1: but you know eventually they will if we're in a

507
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:41,080
Speaker 1: place that you have experience or confidence in. So yeah,

508
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:43,840
Speaker 1: it's well, it's a tough one. There's two ways to

509
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:46,600
Speaker 1: look at that though. I mean, that's that's the easiest

510
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:49,400
Speaker 1: conclusion to draw. But the other thing that I would

511
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:53,240
Speaker 1: question is did that buck not come through when you

512
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:56,720
Speaker 1: were there? Because you were there? Yeah, you know what

513
00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:59,280
Speaker 1: I mean, Like I always I always wrestle with this

514
00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:01,680
Speaker 1: when you when you do when you have trail camera

515
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 1: intel and you're like, oh man, he was there this

516
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:08,119
Speaker 1: time whatever, it's like, well you weren't. And there's always

517
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:11,199
Speaker 1: like that little nagging thought like maybe he wouldn't have

518
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:13,879
Speaker 1: come through there if you were there, and I just

519
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:15,919
Speaker 1: you know, like there's no way annoying, but I always

520
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,920
Speaker 1: think about that because we beat ourselves up and go, jeez,

521
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,680
Speaker 1: I should have been there, and it's like, well, yeah,

522
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:23,119
Speaker 1: it would have been better to be there than not.

523
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:26,240
Speaker 1: But it's not a foregone conclusion that you all of

524
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 1: a sudden got that twenty yard broadside at him. You know, yeah, yeah,

525
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 1: I don't think, like you said, we'll ever have the

526
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:35,720
Speaker 1: perfect answer to this questions. It's just a thing that

527
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:41,200
Speaker 1: with your own personal experience and the information at hand,

528
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:43,800
Speaker 1: you've got to, you know, make the best judgment. Call

529
00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:01,560
Speaker 1: Galen asks, how do you manage a hunt with corn

530
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:05,320
Speaker 1: still standing in your area? So standing corn rut A

531
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 1: lot of times people worry this is gonna have all

532
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:09,200
Speaker 1: the all the deer are gonna be chasing and doing

533
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:11,119
Speaker 1: their things in the standing corn. You'll never see it.

534
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 1: You'll never get a chance of this. Bucks. What's been

535
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 1: your take, Tony? You know, I've I've dealt with that

536
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:20,880
Speaker 1: quite a bit in Minnesota because we have such an

537
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:24,360
Speaker 1: early gun season that I hit it so hard. Uh,

538
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 1: you know, the the last couple of days of October,

539
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:29,479
Speaker 1: the first couple of days in November, and I've just

540
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 1: dealt with a lot of standing corn, and I kind

541
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 1: of look at it like that really thick patch of

542
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 1: cover that I have to set up down window. I mean,

543
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 1: it's dumb, but you know, if there's if you're in

544
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:47,720
Speaker 1: a place with some pressure, those deer are gonna bed

545
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:50,520
Speaker 1: in there a lot of times. They're gonna use it

546
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 1: for food, of course, and it's just a sanctuary like

547
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 1: it just is. But you can find places down wind

548
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:00,480
Speaker 1: of of a corn field where those bucks are going

549
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:02,239
Speaker 1: to cruise it. And if you can get into one

550
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 1: of those spots where there's like a little grassy waterway

551
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:08,360
Speaker 1: or something man like, that's kind of the ticket. And

552
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 1: so yeah, it kind of sucks because you're like, oh,

553
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:13,200
Speaker 1: they picked this corn, these deer would be in the woods. Well,

554
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 1: that's not the hand you were dealt. The next best

555
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 1: thing is just to use it to your advantage as

556
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 1: much as possible. And you know it's I don't know,

557
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 1: I've killed a lot of deer on the on the

558
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 1: edge of the standing corn. Let me put it that way.

559
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:26,960
Speaker 1: I think you get down when and you play it. Yeah,

560
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 1: I agree, and I think that you you alluded to

561
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 1: one example, but anywhere you can find diversity in that

562
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 1: corn So by that, I mean, like you said, like

563
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 1: the waterway or any point of timber that sticks out

564
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 1: into a corn field, or if there's a little strip

565
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 1: of timber that intersects too corn fields or something like that.

566
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 1: Anywhere you have that difference and habitat type where you

567
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 1: create edge or any kind of opening. Like some side

568
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 1: there's a spot he used to have where there's a

569
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:55,360
Speaker 1: big oak tree that stood out in the edge of

570
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 1: two properties, and it was usually there'd be standing corn

571
00:29:58,160 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 1: on either side of it, and then there was this

572
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 1: big opening underneath this oak tree and every deer that

573
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 1: was in that corn would check out that oak tree.

574
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 1: There was you know, always feeding sun underneath it. They

575
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 1: were dear betted underneath it sometimes, So those kinds of

576
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 1: spots can be you know, worth focusing on when you've

577
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:17,120
Speaker 1: got that standing corn situation. But like you said, I

578
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:20,240
Speaker 1: would look at standing corn as you know, great betting

579
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:23,120
Speaker 1: get on the edge of it. Those bucks make scrapes

580
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:27,480
Speaker 1: all along those edges. They cruise those edges. Um, They're not,

581
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:30,080
Speaker 1: despite what you think, gonna live their entire life in

582
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 1: that corn. They're still gonna come out. They need diversity

583
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 1: in their diet. A deer that ain't nothing but corn

584
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:37,080
Speaker 1: all day every day would not be a healthy deer.

585
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:39,240
Speaker 1: They're still gonna come out and explore these other places.

586
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:43,000
Speaker 1: So it's it's not the end of the world. Yeah,

587
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:46,479
Speaker 1: it's it can be. It can actually be kind of

588
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:48,840
Speaker 1: a benefit to you if you if you have the

589
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 1: right way to use it. Yeah. Um J t asks

590
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 1: how long should you wait to hunt a spot on

591
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 1: public land? Again? If a buck bust you in that

592
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 1: bob so public land hunt, you get busted in the tree,

593
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:05,480
Speaker 1: how long would you wait before coming back to that zone?

594
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 1: Seven seconds? Seven seconds? Well, if he's there, somebody else

595
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 1: is going to be there, right, I mean, man, there

596
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 1: aren't any accidents out there in nature, right, Like I

597
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 1: mean there are, but there aren't. Like nature doesn't do

598
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 1: random very well. So if you've if you've done your

599
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 1: homework and you got into a spot and you know,

600
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 1: maybe your target buck or a good buck spots you,

601
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 1: that sucks. But you did a lot right to get

602
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 1: to that point. And it's not like you you blow

603
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 1: that deer. O. It's not like there he's the only one.

604
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 1: You know. My my bigger concern with something like that

605
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 1: is why did he bust me? That's exactly what I

606
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 1: was gonna say. Yeah, yeah, you know, I mean, if

607
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 1: he's and and that stuff happens, you know, I mean

608
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:53,120
Speaker 1: I was thinking about this this year. I mean, you're

609
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 1: at when you're doing these hanging hunts on public land,

610
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 1: you're at such a disadvantage for that stuff because you

611
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 1: don't own Like you go in there and you've got

612
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 1: to set up where you can set up, and it

613
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 1: might not be the most ideal tree that you can

614
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 1: trim all the way up or do whatever, and you

615
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 1: get picked off and it happened, So it's like, is

616
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 1: the spot good enough and was it just a did

617
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 1: it just break bad for you? Or are you in

618
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 1: a situation where you're gonna get busted by whoever comes

619
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 1: in and it's time to rethink that set up and

620
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 1: rework that spot. And I think that's my take in

621
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 1: a lot of situations, whether it's public or private. If

622
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 1: you get busted from a tree, um, you know a

623
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 1: figure out why, and you might want to make a

624
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 1: small adjustment and a move just because of that. But

625
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 1: then if you are after one specific buck, even like

626
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 1: I had this happened a few years ago, and then

627
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 1: this actually happened to a friend of me of mine yesterday.

628
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 1: He had this exact scenario, but on private and he

629
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 1: texts our little group and he said, I just had

630
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 1: this big giant buck come in circled down windo me

631
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 1: busted me. He's out. I'm thinking I should just pull

632
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 1: the plug on the whole thing, probably, And I said, well,

633
00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 1: are there any other do you want to kill in there?

634
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 1: He's like, well yeah, um, And I'm like, well, you

635
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 1: know you kind of are in the spot. Is there

636
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 1: another tree where you have a better situation for wind um?

637
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 1: Because that zone just proved it's a winner like your

638
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 1: your general spot proved itself as a winner. Um, But

639
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 1: that specific buck. I don't know about you, but I've

640
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 1: had during the rut, I've had a mature buck win

641
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 1: me in a spot like that and then still come

642
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 1: back within sight of me later in the day because

643
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 1: of DOES. I think does can make bucks do dumber

644
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 1: stuff than usual, as we all know this time of year.

645
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 1: So I had in one case, I had this shooter

646
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:37,479
Speaker 1: buck come down wind of me just before shooting lights,

647
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 1: so I couldn't get a shot at him. He wins

648
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 1: me bus out of there, and then like an hour

649
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 1: later he's chasing does and gets almost within shooting range

650
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 1: of me again. Because of that, And I think in

651
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 1: that scenario, just even you know, readjusting a little bit

652
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:54,760
Speaker 1: for the next day. I mean, hey, the same tree

653
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 1: might work, but b if you just shift over forty

654
00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 1: yards or something like that, I think you're probably right

655
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 1: back in the game still, and you can still take

656
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 1: advantage of whatever the feature is that got him there

657
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 1: in the first place, and then give yourself a little

658
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 1: piece of mind that he's not going to be staring

659
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:10,399
Speaker 1: up in that same tree if he does slip back

660
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 1: through in the next day or whatever it is. Um. So,

661
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 1: so yeah, I wouldn't worry about too much if you

662
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 1: have like fifteen does win you every you know, dough

663
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 1: wins you every hour, every two hours, you've got another

664
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 1: thing like that, maybe you've got a bigger problem and

665
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 1: you need to shift to a new zone because of that.

666
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:30,919
Speaker 1: But one single buck, um, I wouldn't worry about too much. Yeah,

667
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:33,399
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it really depends on why he got

668
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 1: you too. I mean, if he was just traveling down

669
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:37,839
Speaker 1: Win and he got you, then the setups probably not

670
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 1: great for that those conditions. But you know, if you

671
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 1: saw him a hundred yards out and you called to

672
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:44,680
Speaker 1: him and he swung down win like you were talking

673
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:48,239
Speaker 1: about with your buddy or whatever, like different thing, you know.

674
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 1: And I think that's one thing people kind of forget

675
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:53,279
Speaker 1: during the rut because they go out there with all

676
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:55,879
Speaker 1: their call their calls and everything, and they're like, man,

677
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:57,799
Speaker 1: if I see when I'm gonna grunt him in, And

678
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 1: there's situations where that's us a bad idea because how

679
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 1: they're gonna approach you. So you've called attention to yourself,

680
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 1: and now you've set up an encounter that's less likely

681
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 1: to break your way, you know. And we so I'll

682
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 1: just give you a quick example that when I was

683
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:16,920
Speaker 1: in South Dakota in the beginning of October um, I

684
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 1: was sitting on some public and finally found what I

685
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 1: thought was a concentration a good buck sign and had

686
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:26,320
Speaker 1: like a one thirty come out just on the wrong trail.

687
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:29,799
Speaker 1: And the way he was headed, he could he could

688
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 1: get away and not win me, probably possibly, but if

689
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 1: I called to him, it was almost a guarantee that

690
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 1: he was going to swing down wind and I had

691
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:42,240
Speaker 1: no chance, and so I just let the situation unfold.

692
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:44,319
Speaker 1: I didn't kill him. And then the camera guy I

693
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:46,399
Speaker 1: was with, he's like, why didn't you grunt to that, dear,

694
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:49,360
Speaker 1: And I was like, because there's there's no way where

695
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:51,880
Speaker 1: he was in the way our wind was blowing, that

696
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:53,920
Speaker 1: he was going to just turn and march right in

697
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:56,959
Speaker 1: and not use that wind. And so that's that's something

698
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 1: you always have to think about when you're making contact

699
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:01,400
Speaker 1: with him, is like how easy to use it for

700
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:04,239
Speaker 1: them to use their nose because they're gonna And is

701
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 1: it better to not draw attention to yourself, let the

702
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:08,759
Speaker 1: whole thing play out naturally and figure out what to

703
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 1: do next time? Very true. I've got another question that

704
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:18,280
Speaker 1: kind of naturally fits into this discussion, Um, Chad asks,

705
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:22,319
Speaker 1: are you concerned about over hunting stand locations in the rut?

706
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 1: I think that's that's kind of related to some of

707
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:28,960
Speaker 1: the stuff we're talking about here. Um, what do you think? Um,

708
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 1: you know, I think you're always worried about over hunting

709
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 1: locations and you just gotta let the deer tell you

710
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 1: whether you are or you aren't, you know. And the

711
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:39,319
Speaker 1: other thing to that, A component to that is it

712
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 1: is really hard to not go into a place you

713
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:45,839
Speaker 1: want to hunt bad during the rut and sand beg

714
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 1: it wait for better opportunities. But man, that happens to

715
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:53,399
Speaker 1: me the last two years, the two bucks I've killed

716
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 1: in Wisconsin, I've had to sand begat and and basically

717
00:36:56,239 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 1: kind of waste Sits waiting on the right conditions ago

718
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:02,319
Speaker 1: where I wanted to and that is a hard thing

719
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:04,799
Speaker 1: to do, but sometimes you've got to do it. Has

720
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 1: that ever bit you in the ass? Probably dozens of times?

721
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:12,719
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it's hard to know because you

722
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:14,319
Speaker 1: either go in or you don't, and you don't know

723
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:16,240
Speaker 1: how it would shake out if you took the other option.

724
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:21,480
Speaker 1: But for me now I find myself just planning, like

725
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:24,279
Speaker 1: what what is my next what do my next two

726
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 1: days look like? Right? Like? What what do I need

727
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 1: to do? And where do I have the most faith

728
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 1: in a spot? And what do the conditions say about it?

729
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 1: And sometimes you're just like I can't rationalize going in

730
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 1: there today when tomorrow is going to set up real well,

731
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:41,279
Speaker 1: and so it's like I gotta I'm gonna leave that

732
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:43,480
Speaker 1: whole thing alone. And you know, it gets different when

733
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 1: you're on public and somebody might go in there, or

734
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:47,319
Speaker 1: you know you're on private that has a bunch of

735
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 1: people on it. It's they're so situationally variable. But being

736
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:55,320
Speaker 1: a little bit cautious with your best set ups is

737
00:37:55,760 --> 00:38:00,080
Speaker 1: usually a good idea. Yeah. You Another consideration here is

738
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 1: how to define over hunting. Right and you you said

739
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:06,359
Speaker 1: listen to what the deer tell you, which I think

740
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:09,760
Speaker 1: is a good thing, But you need to know based

741
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:12,719
Speaker 1: on the context of where you're hunting and what you

742
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 1: know about the area. You have to have like a

743
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 1: sliding scale of how you interpret what the deer tell you.

744
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:20,760
Speaker 1: And a big part of that is, like deer density

745
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:22,719
Speaker 1: is a big thing right there. Right, So if you

746
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 1: are hunting a stand three days in a row in

747
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 1: southern Michigan where you know you could easily see twenty

748
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 1: or more deer in a day, and there's deer everywhere, Um,

749
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 1: you could very easily burn out a spot if you're

750
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 1: getting winded by dough after dough and a buck and

751
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 1: a dough and a buck and a buck and two

752
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 1: dolls and five dolls and all that kind of stuff

753
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:43,799
Speaker 1: that could hit fast. Um, if you were to take

754
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 1: those same three days and hunt up in northern Michigan,

755
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 1: where I might see one or two deer day, three

756
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 1: days might be you know, not even enough time to

757
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:55,759
Speaker 1: sit in the right spot because it might take four

758
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:59,120
Speaker 1: days for one mature buck to pass through this little

759
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:01,360
Speaker 1: terrain feature whatever is I'm hunting like, they just it

760
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:04,480
Speaker 1: won't he won't come through it because they're traveling miles

761
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 1: and there's only be one day in five that buck

762
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 1: comes through. So in that kind of spot or the

763
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 1: big woods up in Pennsylvania or somewhere, you might need

764
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:16,800
Speaker 1: to spend days in a saddle, I mean like a

765
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:20,239
Speaker 1: terrain saddle, or days on that pinch or whatever it

766
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 1: is for a deer to pass through. So you need

767
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 1: to look at your situations there, right, how much pressure

768
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:30,400
Speaker 1: can this spot handle and how much time is necessary

769
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 1: for me to even have a chance at one of

770
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:34,600
Speaker 1: these deer working through this area. I think that's a

771
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 1: key consideration. Well, and not only that, but also just

772
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 1: what kind of impact are you putting on it with

773
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 1: every sit you know, I mean some places. I killed

774
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:46,319
Speaker 1: a buck in North Dakota in public a few years ago.

775
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:48,840
Speaker 1: In the spot I found, I think I could have

776
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 1: hunted that every day. The way I accessed it through

777
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:55,239
Speaker 1: it was through like a pasture. I mean there were

778
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 1: no cows in there at that point, but that federal

779
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:00,879
Speaker 1: land had been grazed there weren't a a deer in there.

780
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:03,360
Speaker 1: I wasn't blowing deer going out in there, and I

781
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:06,960
Speaker 1: had this great big river bluff beside me that the

782
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 1: wind could blow like most directions, and the cruising bucks

783
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 1: weren't gonna get you. It was like it was almost perfect.

784
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:18,799
Speaker 1: And then you get to other spots where you're like, man,

785
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:21,319
Speaker 1: I gotta you know where I killed my buck last

786
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 1: week in Wisconsin. If you get the right wind, it's amazing.

787
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 1: If you get wind that's not right, and I mean

788
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:32,160
Speaker 1: real right, then you're gonna just you're gonna put that

789
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 1: whole valley down. And so it's really kind of dependent

790
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:41,280
Speaker 1: on that too, very very true. All right, Adam asks,

791
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 1: I have a beard. Do you think that switching to

792
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 1: a mustache would change my rut hunting luck? And I'll

793
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:50,760
Speaker 1: just come right out and say, absolutely, Adam, I believe

794
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 1: that will be the case. Make the switch, Tony, Do

795
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 1: you have any kind of opinion this? I think Adam

796
00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:00,280
Speaker 1: absolutely would look amazing in a mustache, and he should

797
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:04,319
Speaker 1: definitely do it, alright. You should even maybe diet like

798
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 1: red or something, really really go strong with it. Just

799
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:13,960
Speaker 1: own it at them. There you go? Uh, Greeny asks,

800
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:16,880
Speaker 1: what actually triggers the rut? Does the cold weather have

801
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 1: anything to do with it or start it? Uh? Tony,

802
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 1: you and I have both talked about this many times,

803
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 1: but you want to take a stab at tackle on

804
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:29,360
Speaker 1: this one for people that aren't familiar. Yep, Uh. Photo periodism,

805
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:32,759
Speaker 1: what's that? That is the amount of daylight that those

806
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 1: deer getting every day and how much of it's reaching

807
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:39,359
Speaker 1: their brain and those little fonds have to be born

808
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:42,959
Speaker 1: at a very specific window every spring, and we need

809
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 1: we need this natural phenomenon called pray saturation to hit

810
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 1: where as many fonds as possible hit in the same

811
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:56,320
Speaker 1: small period of time so that the predators just can't

812
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:59,840
Speaker 1: clean them out, just like when you have billion tab

813
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 1: holes and little frogs in your backyard, if you have

814
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:04,840
Speaker 1: a pond, there's a reason for that because it ensures

815
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:07,760
Speaker 1: the survival of enough of them. Now, I can't remember

816
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 1: who said it, You've probably said it on here a

817
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 1: billion times, but some wildlife biologists or some famous dear

818
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:18,799
Speaker 1: person said that photo period is m cocks the gun,

819
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:22,840
Speaker 1: but weather pulls the trigger. And so for us, in

820
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 1: the interest of daylight movement and those dreamy just banging

821
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:32,280
Speaker 1: rut days, then Yeah, the weather is huge for those

822
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:35,239
Speaker 1: because you'll get that really special day if it gets

823
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 1: cold and it's just the right conditions. But that rut's

824
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:40,320
Speaker 1: gonna happen either way. Yeah, I think that, like you said,

825
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 1: like another way I've heard it put is that the weather,

826
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:47,279
Speaker 1: like the photo period, daylight that impacts you know, the

827
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:50,840
Speaker 1: rut actual the breeding actually happening. The weather will reveal

828
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 1: it in daylight. So if you have the right weather,

829
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:55,360
Speaker 1: you will simply get to see more of it and

830
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:58,440
Speaker 1: more intense daylight activity during the day when we are

831
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 1: out there as hunters. UM. So yeah, it's it's happening,

832
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:05,400
Speaker 1: you know right now across most states in the northern

833
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 1: half of the country. You know, peak breeding is usually

834
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 1: somewhere around the middle of November. UM, But it's a

835
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:13,840
Speaker 1: bell curve, so you gotta remember, like there's peak breeding

836
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 1: in the middle, but they're still breeding, gonna be happening

837
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 1: earlier than that. They're still gonna be breeding happening after that,

838
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 1: and so you know, when this podcast drops, this is

839
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:26,280
Speaker 1: kind of what most people would refer to as maybe

840
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:29,879
Speaker 1: in that lockdown period when the most dose of all

841
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:33,720
Speaker 1: year are ready to be bred and are being bred

842
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:35,959
Speaker 1: with a buck. So there was a question from someone

843
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:39,239
Speaker 1: basically just asking what are key ideas were for the

844
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:42,319
Speaker 1: lockdown stage and what to do during it and what

845
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:45,320
Speaker 1: to do just after it. Uh So, Tony, if somebody's

846
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:49,959
Speaker 1: listening today on November or eighteenth or nineteen, and they've

847
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:53,400
Speaker 1: noticed that, man, the activity has really slowed down, not

848
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:55,759
Speaker 1: getting a lot of deer on camera. I'm not seeing much.

849
00:43:56,360 --> 00:44:00,080
Speaker 1: What do you do in that situation? Man? For me,

850
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:03,759
Speaker 1: it's just getting tight to the thickest stuff and stay

851
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:07,840
Speaker 1: down wind because that those open woods, those open fields,

852
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:11,319
Speaker 1: it's just not It never happens for me in the

853
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:15,440
Speaker 1: back half of November. It's always tight cover thick stuff

854
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:19,800
Speaker 1: in faith, lots of faith. I feel like that's a

855
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 1: big one during the lockdown because no matter, no matter

856
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 1: if every single dough is in heat in a particular

857
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:29,880
Speaker 1: on a particular day, there's always going to be a

858
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 1: buck that breaks off at some point. Like it's going

859
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:34,799
Speaker 1: to happen. It's not happening super often. Maybe it's not

860
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 1: happening as much as is happening ten days earlier. Um,

861
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:42,880
Speaker 1: that crap, did I lose you there? You did? Just

862
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 1: for a second, all right, I'll jump right back in. Um.

863
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:47,399
Speaker 1: You know you were hold on Mark. You were saying,

864
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:49,840
Speaker 1: there's always gonna be a buck, and then I lost you. Okay,

865
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:52,440
Speaker 1: there's always gonna be a buck that's breaking off of

866
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 1: a dough at some point, right there will be bucks

867
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:56,920
Speaker 1: breaking off and searching out new ones. So you'll have

868
00:44:57,040 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 1: these short windows of opportunity where there's a year again

869
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:03,439
Speaker 1: seeking out a new dough. You just have to be

870
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 1: out there, staying focused and with faith that it can

871
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:13,799
Speaker 1: actually happen. Um. You know, it brings up though another situation,

872
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 1: which is what about seeing a buck locked on a dough? Um.

873
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:21,359
Speaker 1: This is something I've had happened a number of times now,

874
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:23,799
Speaker 1: and I've seen it work in my favor and I've

875
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:26,920
Speaker 1: seen it work against me. Um. And there's a lot

876
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:29,920
Speaker 1: of different thoughts on what to do. Some people see

877
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:32,279
Speaker 1: a buck better with the dough or standing with the

878
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 1: dough and think to themselves, Man, that buck's not going anywhere.

879
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:37,879
Speaker 1: I can make a move and stalk in and try

880
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:40,320
Speaker 1: to kill them. There's other people that would never consider

881
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:43,279
Speaker 1: doing that. Um. There's other people that will tell you

882
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:46,040
Speaker 1: that you can zoom in on that spot maybe the

883
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 1: next morning or something, because they usually don't don't travel

884
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 1: a whole lot when a buck's locked on the dough.

885
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:53,440
Speaker 1: Lots of times that buck will kind of push a

886
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 1: dough into a little tiny patch of cover away from

887
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 1: all the other deer, and they just kind of hang

888
00:45:57,480 --> 00:45:59,719
Speaker 1: out in that zone or kind of close to it

889
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:02,359
Speaker 1: for that you know, forty hours or whatever. It ends

890
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:04,840
Speaker 1: up being what's been your approach or what are the

891
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:07,279
Speaker 1: different variables that will impact how you would deal with

892
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:10,200
Speaker 1: that snarratory? You know, just you got to look at

893
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 1: what mother nature has given you. You know, if if

894
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:15,239
Speaker 1: if you have a twenty five mile prior winds and

895
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 1: they're they're in a approachable spot, it's time to get

896
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:21,279
Speaker 1: down and go. You know, I mean, if you have

897
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 1: some rain and they're in a stalkable situation, it's time

898
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:27,239
Speaker 1: to get down and go. You know, if it's two

899
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:30,920
Speaker 1: mile prior winds and it's really really dry, and you

900
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 1: know you'd have to belly crawl across three yards of

901
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:36,799
Speaker 1: you know, pasture to get there, it's probably not time

902
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:39,399
Speaker 1: to go. It's probably time to figure out what how

903
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:42,279
Speaker 1: do I get there tomorrow morning? You know, But that's

904
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 1: a you know, seeing that is like such a gift

905
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:48,320
Speaker 1: you know, like, yeah, it might not work your way,

906
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:51,200
Speaker 1: but seeing a buck locked on a doll like that

907
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:54,440
Speaker 1: where he's not going anywhere, and there's a lot of

908
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:56,359
Speaker 1: ways to use that to your advantage. And so it's

909
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 1: I look at that, go that's a that's a huge

910
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:01,240
Speaker 1: gift if you can see it, even if it doesn't

911
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:03,839
Speaker 1: go your way. Well, so many people talk about how

912
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:06,680
Speaker 1: you can't pattern a buck during the rut, right because

913
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:10,360
Speaker 1: they're so unpredictable, But this is one of those scenarios

914
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 1: where they kind of do get predictable in most cases,

915
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:16,360
Speaker 1: at least from what I've seen. You know, when you

916
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:18,640
Speaker 1: see a buck on a doll, you know a couple

917
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 1: of things. You know, Number one, he's not going anywhere else,

918
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:25,080
Speaker 1: he's staying close to that dough. Number Two, you know,

919
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:27,799
Speaker 1: unless it's like chase. Like I'm not talking chasing, I'm

920
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 1: talking like a buck standing with the dough and they're

921
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:33,719
Speaker 1: just like there. Um, I've never seen a deer like

922
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:36,680
Speaker 1: that move a ton. I've seen them kind of travel

923
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:38,960
Speaker 1: maybe from a betting ear to a food source and back,

924
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 1: but I've never seen him cover major distance. And I've

925
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:46,279
Speaker 1: seen a pattern developed there. I killed a buck in

926
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 1: this exact way. I saw a buck locked on a

927
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 1: dough follow that dough into this edge of this bedding cover,

928
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:53,919
Speaker 1: and I thought, man, that dough is gonna be right

929
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:56,440
Speaker 1: back on that edge of the food this evening. I

930
00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 1: watched this happened in the morning, and I just know

931
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:01,080
Speaker 1: that this is the foods. If a deer bed's there,

932
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:03,760
Speaker 1: that do is gonna pop back on feet to here again,

933
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:05,920
Speaker 1: you know, at four o'clock or five o'clock or whatever,

934
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 1: and I know that buck will be with her. Sure enough.

935
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:13,080
Speaker 1: That's what happened. Um So I think you can you

936
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:14,719
Speaker 1: can look at this as a hey, how do I

937
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 1: move in on this pattern? And no, it's not gonna

938
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:20,680
Speaker 1: last very long, right, you've got a twenty four ort

939
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:23,200
Speaker 1: window something like that, because you don't know when they

940
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:27,840
Speaker 1: came together. Um but I I would get aggressive with

941
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 1: that kind of thing if I see that I'm swinging

942
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:32,600
Speaker 1: for the fences because I've got more information than almost

943
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:35,440
Speaker 1: any other time when you're hunting. Um So I would

944
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:38,399
Speaker 1: push in that kind of situation. Do you agree with that? Yeah,

945
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:40,759
Speaker 1: big time. I mean that that's really kind of the

946
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:43,239
Speaker 1: time to go for broke because that's just a that's

947
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 1: a gift of an opportunity that's going to go away

948
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:48,480
Speaker 1: from you. You know, I mean it, and you're right,

949
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:50,759
Speaker 1: they don't really seem to go anywhere. And the other

950
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:53,919
Speaker 1: thing that occasionally happens in that situation is every other

951
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:56,680
Speaker 1: buck in the woodlot swings through down wind to see

952
00:48:56,719 --> 00:48:58,120
Speaker 1: if you can take a poke at her, you know,

953
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:01,520
Speaker 1: like there's I don't that. That's that's the cool part

954
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:04,879
Speaker 1: about the lockdown. And and here's one other thing all

955
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:09,560
Speaker 1: that's going for you. You also have the perfect um distraction,

956
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 1: so that buck is as unfocused as he will ever

957
00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:17,360
Speaker 1: be on a predator, So you might be able to

958
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:19,759
Speaker 1: get away with more than you otherwise could, because there's

959
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:22,080
Speaker 1: all sorts of other deer running around circling him. Like

960
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 1: you said, there's the whole satellite thing going on. He's

961
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:27,800
Speaker 1: used to pushing off other bucks. He's very very focused

962
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:31,360
Speaker 1: on protecting his his dough right there. So this is

963
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:34,239
Speaker 1: a time when you might be all sneaking close and

964
00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 1: spook some does maybe, or spook a younger buck, and

965
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:39,080
Speaker 1: he might completely ignore it, or he might not care

966
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 1: because he's used to that running around, or he's used

967
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:45,719
Speaker 1: to other stuff going on. So don't be afraid to

968
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:48,120
Speaker 1: get a little aggressive, whether it be sneaking into stock

969
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:51,640
Speaker 1: or you know, slipping in and trying to set up

970
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:53,799
Speaker 1: a stand where you think they're not move back through

971
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:56,719
Speaker 1: in the afternoon, or whatever it is. I think you

972
00:49:56,840 --> 00:49:59,799
Speaker 1: have a number of things going for you, assuming you

973
00:49:59,840 --> 00:50:04,000
Speaker 1: know conditions are right right doing that kind of aggressive

974
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:06,120
Speaker 1: move as you mentioned, if it's zero wind and super

975
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:08,359
Speaker 1: crunchy leaves, that might be a lot harder to pull

976
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:12,440
Speaker 1: pull off. UM, but you've got some things going for you, definitely.

977
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:16,000
Speaker 1: Here's another question from Joe, and it's about the same

978
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:18,040
Speaker 1: question we've got. We've got a few things around this,

979
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:22,880
Speaker 1: um lockdown doll. I don't know about this. I'd be

980
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 1: curious your opinion on this. Joe asks, have you seen

981
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:30,200
Speaker 1: a buck typically lockdown does again and again in the

982
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:34,320
Speaker 1: same area or is it location? Is the location dependent

983
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 1: on the dough? So do you think that where a

984
00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:38,799
Speaker 1: buck will lock down with the dough is that the

985
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:41,680
Speaker 1: buck's decision, like that's a buck thing, or is this like, well,

986
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:43,600
Speaker 1: each dough he hooks up with is going to pull

987
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:46,720
Speaker 1: him to some different place. Have you noticed this before?

988
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:48,919
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna go on a limb and say

989
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:52,960
Speaker 1: Joe is not married. Um, because I think the dough chooses.

990
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:55,920
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think this is the buck's choice

991
00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:57,600
Speaker 1: at all. I think that dough is like, this is

992
00:50:57,640 --> 00:50:59,839
Speaker 1: where I'm going, and you come along for the ride

993
00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:01,799
Speaker 1: if you want, bro, and he's like, yes, please, I will.

994
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:06,120
Speaker 1: But I think it. I don't. I don't think. I

995
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:09,759
Speaker 1: just don't think a buck could really push a dough

996
00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:14,440
Speaker 1: consistently where she didn't want to go. Yeah, now here's

997
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:18,360
Speaker 1: a not a Devil's advocate kind of position, but yes,

998
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:23,440
Speaker 1: but kind of thought. I have seen a single buck,

999
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:27,879
Speaker 1: a specific buck, lockdown with different does throughout the rut

1000
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:32,160
Speaker 1: in the same general pocket, and I wonder if that's

1001
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 1: not necessarily him being in control of the situation, but

1002
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:38,799
Speaker 1: rather that he finds a pocket of does and he

1003
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:42,280
Speaker 1: returns to them throughout the month of November or early December,

1004
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:44,799
Speaker 1: and as he returns to them, they suck him into

1005
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:46,960
Speaker 1: the same general zone for that locked in because that's

1006
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:49,520
Speaker 1: where this Doe family group or two Doll family groups is.

1007
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:52,120
Speaker 1: So it might kind of look like this is his

1008
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:54,759
Speaker 1: zone he likes to push does, but it's more so, Hey,

1009
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:57,200
Speaker 1: I found a good spot for females, and I'm returning

1010
00:51:57,200 --> 00:51:59,800
Speaker 1: to it multiple times. I think maybe that's what's happening

1011
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:03,239
Speaker 1: big time. And you know, I mean, I'm sure so

1012
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:06,319
Speaker 1: much of that is just tied to you know, a

1013
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:11,080
Speaker 1: layer of thicker cover on a property. Yeah, and they're

1014
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:12,960
Speaker 1: just ending up where they end up because that's where

1015
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:29,359
Speaker 1: the dough is bed and the bucks know it. Here's

1016
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:31,640
Speaker 1: one that people had to deal with earlier in this month.

1017
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 1: Hopefully people aren't dealing with this in the second half

1018
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:36,120
Speaker 1: of the month, but I'm sure there's gonna be people

1019
00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:40,160
Speaker 1: in the South Britain asks about our favorite tactics when

1020
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:43,680
Speaker 1: the movement is slow and the weather is warm during

1021
00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:46,040
Speaker 1: what should be their rut. We already talked about how

1022
00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:50,680
Speaker 1: weather can kind of reveal more daylight activity. Um My

1023
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:53,239
Speaker 1: take on this is I'm not doing much different when

1024
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:56,040
Speaker 1: it's warm. I'm simply knowing that I gotta push through

1025
00:52:56,040 --> 00:52:57,800
Speaker 1: the harder times. This kind of goes back to what

1026
00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:00,200
Speaker 1: you do in lockdown. You just gotta have faith, you

1027
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:02,480
Speaker 1: gotta stick with your rut plan and you just know

1028
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:05,640
Speaker 1: that it will happen eventually. Maybe not the middle of

1029
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:07,279
Speaker 1: the day like I was hoping, but it will still

1030
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:09,920
Speaker 1: happen in the morning, it will still happen in the evening.

1031
00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 1: You know. I killed my buck on a eighty degree

1032
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:15,839
Speaker 1: day November one, eighty degrees. They didn't start moving ntil

1033
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:19,040
Speaker 1: forty five minutes before dark, so zero movement from you know,

1034
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:23,560
Speaker 1: thirty until forty five minutes before dark. But they moved

1035
00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:26,960
Speaker 1: at the end. Um So I don't get fancy during

1036
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:29,200
Speaker 1: the warm weather. I just tough it out and kind

1037
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:30,560
Speaker 1: of know in my head and this is gonna suck

1038
00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:32,200
Speaker 1: a little bit, but we'll make the best of it.

1039
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:36,200
Speaker 1: Anything different for you, not really. I mean, unless you

1040
00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:39,680
Speaker 1: have a limited water source, then yeah, you know, I'll

1041
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:42,120
Speaker 1: get on that because I've seen deer that are chasing

1042
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:46,239
Speaker 1: hard that will they will hit that water, you know.

1043
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:51,360
Speaker 1: But otherwise, to me, you know, there's a difference between

1044
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:55,080
Speaker 1: being way on top of a ridge and you know,

1045
00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:57,640
Speaker 1: it's eighty degrees there, or being way down in the

1046
00:53:57,640 --> 00:53:59,800
Speaker 1: bottom by a little creek where it might be seventy

1047
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:02,359
Speaker 1: degrees and there's water, you know. I mean, little things

1048
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:05,759
Speaker 1: like that, those microclimates. But really to me, it's just

1049
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:07,960
Speaker 1: like I look at it, go okay, they're not going

1050
00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:10,600
Speaker 1: to be probably cruising out in the wide open in

1051
00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:14,120
Speaker 1: the sunlight all day long when it's eighty degrees, but

1052
00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:17,160
Speaker 1: they're going to be looking somewhere, and again that brings

1053
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:19,120
Speaker 1: you back into the cover, you know, and and and

1054
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:21,520
Speaker 1: will it be subdued compared to what it would be

1055
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:25,000
Speaker 1: if it was degrees shut. But they're still there, They're

1056
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:27,319
Speaker 1: still going to do their thing, and so it's a

1057
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:29,400
Speaker 1: matter of just staying out there and having faith in

1058
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:34,000
Speaker 1: your spots. Again, here's the flip side of that question.

1059
00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:37,200
Speaker 1: Crundle asks, Um, I hope that's his real name. I

1060
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:39,239
Speaker 1: hope its first name is Crundle, because that would be

1061
00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:42,600
Speaker 1: a hell of a name. Um, you get the perfect

1062
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:47,040
Speaker 1: weather event of temperatures dropping thirty five degrees overnight, but

1063
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:53,000
Speaker 1: the wind direction is bad. Do you still hunt? Well?

1064
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:57,440
Speaker 1: The wind direction is bad for everything. That's what I

1065
00:54:57,440 --> 00:55:01,719
Speaker 1: would ask Crundle, Like, I mean, that's why, that's why

1066
00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:04,560
Speaker 1: you don't just pin your hopes on you know, like

1067
00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:08,279
Speaker 1: this is my spot, because I don't know, Like I

1068
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:12,080
Speaker 1: could never imagine a situation where I wouldn't even on small,

1069
00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:16,600
Speaker 1: small properties like twenty acres, where you probably couldn't swung

1070
00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:20,200
Speaker 1: a different setup and use that weather to your advantage

1071
00:55:20,239 --> 00:55:24,560
Speaker 1: and just find something new where the wind works. You

1072
00:55:24,560 --> 00:55:26,680
Speaker 1: always have to give up something, and maybe you have

1073
00:55:26,719 --> 00:55:29,799
Speaker 1: to give up a little bit more, but especially during

1074
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:34,120
Speaker 1: the rut, if you're going to push it a little bit, Man,

1075
00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:36,239
Speaker 1: now is the time during the rut with a thirty

1076
00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:39,000
Speaker 1: five degree temperature drop, like sign me up, I'm out there.

1077
00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:42,719
Speaker 1: Find the best possible scenario, um and go with it.

1078
00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:47,360
Speaker 1: Yea well, and and not only that, but like, okay,

1079
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:49,840
Speaker 1: so you think, man, I have this set up and

1080
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:53,080
Speaker 1: the wind sucks for it, It's like that that's a bummer.

1081
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:56,120
Speaker 1: But you also have a situation where all of the

1082
00:55:56,160 --> 00:55:58,440
Speaker 1: bucks are going to be looking and they're gonna be

1083
00:55:58,520 --> 00:56:01,000
Speaker 1: using their nose. So that wind, even if it's not

1084
00:56:01,120 --> 00:56:03,560
Speaker 1: right for where you want to sit, is really going

1085
00:56:03,640 --> 00:56:05,960
Speaker 1: to position those deer and you can count on that.

1086
00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:08,759
Speaker 1: So in a way, even a crappy wind gives you

1087
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:12,799
Speaker 1: an advantage when the conditions are just perfect cruise. So

1088
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:14,839
Speaker 1: this kind of ties into a question from a guy

1089
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:18,520
Speaker 1: named Elliott Um and he basically just says, does wind

1090
00:56:18,560 --> 00:56:20,840
Speaker 1: directions still play a big role during the rut or

1091
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:23,399
Speaker 1: is it more just if you have the dos dot

1092
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:27,040
Speaker 1: dot dot uh? And so I'm not exactly sure what

1093
00:56:27,080 --> 00:56:29,719
Speaker 1: he means by this, But I think I'll kind of

1094
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:34,879
Speaker 1: extrapolate out to it, which is a can you get

1095
00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:37,680
Speaker 1: away with more stuff during the rut with wind because

1096
00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:39,239
Speaker 1: of the fact that they're just focused on doughs, Like,

1097
00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:41,520
Speaker 1: that's a question, I guess, And so my answer to

1098
00:56:41,560 --> 00:56:44,520
Speaker 1: that is, yeah, wind still matters. Yeah, you're still gonna

1099
00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:46,920
Speaker 1: get busted if you're not set up smart. So you

1100
00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:48,440
Speaker 1: do need to play the win. You do need this,

1101
00:56:48,520 --> 00:56:53,560
Speaker 1: barn about it, etcetera, etcetera. Um, but be kind of

1102
00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:55,560
Speaker 1: back to what I said a minute ago. If you're

1103
00:56:55,600 --> 00:56:57,920
Speaker 1: ever going to try something a little bit more risky,

1104
00:56:58,080 --> 00:56:59,399
Speaker 1: or if you're ever going to give up a little

1105
00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:01,200
Speaker 1: bit more, if you're ever going to take a swinging

1106
00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:05,160
Speaker 1: for the fences, and um, you know, play all your

1107
00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:08,600
Speaker 1: cards at the house. This is not a bad time

1108
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:13,360
Speaker 1: to do it. Um, So just know that you're not

1109
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:15,520
Speaker 1: gonna beat their nose, So you better have a darn

1110
00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:18,919
Speaker 1: good chance of avoiding their nose, or you better have

1111
00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:22,919
Speaker 1: something that's gonna play, you know, into the strategy you want.

1112
00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:24,600
Speaker 1: So don't set up in the spot where there's no

1113
00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:27,000
Speaker 1: chance that you can be on the up wind side

1114
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:29,480
Speaker 1: of things. But if you have to maybe hunt a

1115
00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:31,400
Speaker 1: cutting wind, or if you have to spot, or if

1116
00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:32,880
Speaker 1: you have to hunt a place where, yeah, you know,

1117
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:34,960
Speaker 1: to kill the buck the way I think a buck

1118
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:36,920
Speaker 1: is going to use this. I'm great, but I know

1119
00:57:37,120 --> 00:57:39,640
Speaker 1: probably some doughs are gonna get down winding me at

1120
00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:43,640
Speaker 1: some point. Um So most times I would never hunt here. Well,

1121
00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:45,880
Speaker 1: if you get that cold front and this is a

1122
00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:48,760
Speaker 1: spot the bucks always cruised through in November or whatever,

1123
00:57:49,160 --> 00:57:50,920
Speaker 1: you know, I might be willing to hunt this spot

1124
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:53,360
Speaker 1: on that great day, even though I know there will

1125
00:57:53,360 --> 00:57:55,560
Speaker 1: be some does a bust me. I'll know there's a

1126
00:57:55,600 --> 00:57:57,720
Speaker 1: chance the bucking cruising up wind and I can kill him.

1127
00:57:58,240 --> 00:58:02,160
Speaker 1: Um So that's how I interpret his question. Tony Gimny,

1128
00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:04,840
Speaker 1: I have thoughts on that. No, I mean, I would

1129
00:58:04,840 --> 00:58:09,480
Speaker 1: just say again, you know, we if you look at

1130
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:13,080
Speaker 1: this like purely academically, we always think about it like, well,

1131
00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:15,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have I need a west wind that's gonna

1132
00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:17,720
Speaker 1: be perfect for this spot, and then you go in

1133
00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:20,800
Speaker 1: and it's just never really what you think sometimes, like

1134
00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:23,280
Speaker 1: the wind swirling or the winds doing something a little different,

1135
00:58:23,360 --> 00:58:27,360
Speaker 1: and so you you always go I've got you know,

1136
00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:30,160
Speaker 1: I've got the potential to get caught in this zone.

1137
00:58:30,640 --> 00:58:33,240
Speaker 1: But I'm banking that they're going to come through here.

1138
00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:34,880
Speaker 1: And you know, like my my first set up in

1139
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:38,080
Speaker 1: Minnesota last week on that public there was like a

1140
00:58:38,120 --> 00:58:41,560
Speaker 1: little ridge above a kind of cattail slew, and where

1141
00:58:41,560 --> 00:58:43,720
Speaker 1: I expected the deer to come from, I had like

1142
00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:47,800
Speaker 1: maybe fifteen degrees from the where the wind was blowing

1143
00:58:48,200 --> 00:58:52,720
Speaker 1: to where it would kill me. And it was just like, Okay,

1144
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:55,200
Speaker 1: if they go this way, I'm in trouble. But if

1145
00:58:55,240 --> 00:58:57,160
Speaker 1: they do what I expect him to do here, I'm

1146
00:58:57,160 --> 00:59:00,439
Speaker 1: gonna be okay by a small margin. But it don't matter,

1147
00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:02,280
Speaker 1: you know, even if it's two degrees. As long as

1148
00:59:02,320 --> 00:59:04,400
Speaker 1: they don't get me, it doesn't matter. And so you

1149
00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:07,720
Speaker 1: always look at that and go, well, no, spots probably

1150
00:59:07,720 --> 00:59:10,760
Speaker 1: gonna be super perfect, and yeah, you're gonna have to

1151
00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:12,960
Speaker 1: like there's there's gonna be a downside to every one

1152
00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:15,400
Speaker 1: of them as far as win, but like whatever, like

1153
00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:17,520
Speaker 1: that's just hunting, Like I don't, I don't. You don't

1154
00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:21,680
Speaker 1: get around that. Yeah, you have to. I was talking

1155
00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:25,480
Speaker 1: about this the other day. Um, if you if you

1156
00:59:25,600 --> 00:59:28,280
Speaker 1: never are willing to swing, you know, for the fences,

1157
00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:30,560
Speaker 1: if you're never willing to hunt a great spot or

1158
00:59:30,600 --> 00:59:32,800
Speaker 1: push in and get aggressive with something because you're always

1159
00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:36,760
Speaker 1: so worried about, you know, something bad happening. You know,

1160
00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:38,920
Speaker 1: you're never gonna hit a home run if you're constantly

1161
00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:40,760
Speaker 1: just playing it safe and hitting singles over and over

1162
00:59:40,760 --> 00:59:42,240
Speaker 1: and again. That's great, but you're not going to be

1163
00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:45,440
Speaker 1: the home run champion. Um. And when it comes to

1164
00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:47,160
Speaker 1: deer hunting, right, we're trying to hit a home run,

1165
00:59:47,200 --> 00:59:50,200
Speaker 1: It's gonna happen once, maybe twice if we're really lucky

1166
00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:53,520
Speaker 1: over the course of a whole hunting season. Um. Never.

1167
00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:56,560
Speaker 1: If you never swing for it though, So yeah, you

1168
00:59:56,640 --> 00:59:59,000
Speaker 1: gotta give up something. You gotta go for it when

1169
00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:03,040
Speaker 1: the time's right, when situations right, when the setup is right. Yeah. Well,

1170
01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:05,320
Speaker 1: and you know, and you do get a little bit

1171
01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:07,880
Speaker 1: of a little bit of grace from the deer during

1172
01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:10,640
Speaker 1: the rut to. I mean, like that buck that I

1173
01:00:10,720 --> 01:00:13,560
Speaker 1: killed in Wisconsin. He came in from a direction I

1174
01:00:13,560 --> 01:00:15,640
Speaker 1: would have told you it was not going to happen,

1175
01:00:16,240 --> 01:00:19,720
Speaker 1: and he spotted my cameraman getting into position and got

1176
01:00:19,800 --> 01:00:22,240
Speaker 1: a little bit wiggy, but had to go by us

1177
01:00:22,320 --> 01:00:24,400
Speaker 1: to get to where he wanted to go, and gave

1178
01:00:24,440 --> 01:00:27,000
Speaker 1: me a shot, and so we made mistakes that you

1179
01:00:27,080 --> 01:00:29,760
Speaker 1: might not get away with any other time of the season,

1180
01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:32,560
Speaker 1: and then we still you know, he still gave me

1181
01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:36,040
Speaker 1: a chance. It was a fleeting, lucky to go my

1182
01:00:36,120 --> 01:00:39,680
Speaker 1: way opportunity. But you know, like that, in a lot

1183
01:00:39,720 --> 01:00:42,840
Speaker 1: of situations that does not happen, but during the rut,

1184
01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:47,000
Speaker 1: you could get it. Yeah, Okay, here's a question that

1185
01:00:47,120 --> 01:00:49,160
Speaker 1: um I talked a little bit about last week when

1186
01:00:49,160 --> 01:00:52,400
Speaker 1: I was discussing my kill. Um, but I'm curious about

1187
01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:56,200
Speaker 1: your take on this. Tony Mitchell asks during this rut

1188
01:00:56,200 --> 01:00:58,640
Speaker 1: time period, so this could be November or maybe even

1189
01:00:58,680 --> 01:01:01,160
Speaker 1: early December when you get that second rout, or you know,

1190
01:01:01,240 --> 01:01:03,080
Speaker 1: different parts of the country we've got later ruts in

1191
01:01:03,160 --> 01:01:06,280
Speaker 1: that during this rout period, I'm struggling to get bucks

1192
01:01:06,320 --> 01:01:09,880
Speaker 1: to stop for a shot. They're always chasing or locked

1193
01:01:09,880 --> 01:01:14,800
Speaker 1: on a door and moving. Any ideas just murp them

1194
01:01:14,800 --> 01:01:18,480
Speaker 1: a little louder and a little more persistently. I mean,

1195
01:01:18,840 --> 01:01:21,320
Speaker 1: sometimes they don't stop, but most of the time you

1196
01:01:21,320 --> 01:01:26,200
Speaker 1: can get them to stop. So, so, yes, what's your

1197
01:01:26,920 --> 01:01:30,400
Speaker 1: I had this situation last week where I had like

1198
01:01:30,440 --> 01:01:35,080
Speaker 1: a buck that was moving, stopping, moving, stopping, moving, stopping, moving, stopping,

1199
01:01:36,120 --> 01:01:40,600
Speaker 1: And I made the impulse of the impulse decision of

1200
01:01:40,720 --> 01:01:43,720
Speaker 1: mrping when I probably didn't have to murp, and that

1201
01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:45,880
Speaker 1: caused him to jump the string in a big way.

1202
01:01:46,160 --> 01:01:49,560
Speaker 1: So what's been your experience with that when it's not

1203
01:01:49,600 --> 01:01:52,520
Speaker 1: necessarily a chasing buck, but a buck that's you know,

1204
01:01:52,560 --> 01:01:55,640
Speaker 1: been on the move, stopping, starting, stopping, starting. I think

1205
01:01:55,680 --> 01:01:58,600
Speaker 1: in the moment I was so paranoid about him taking

1206
01:01:58,600 --> 01:02:02,240
Speaker 1: another step and hitting him back that I I aired

1207
01:02:02,280 --> 01:02:06,120
Speaker 1: towards man. I just want him stopped for sure. Um.

1208
01:02:06,160 --> 01:02:08,800
Speaker 1: And then that that led to him moving down instead

1209
01:02:08,800 --> 01:02:12,800
Speaker 1: of forward. Um. How have you dealt with that situation?

1210
01:02:14,680 --> 01:02:17,240
Speaker 1: It's so no intellectually what to do, but it's so

1211
01:02:17,360 --> 01:02:19,000
Speaker 1: hard to do it in the moment when you've got

1212
01:02:19,000 --> 01:02:23,560
Speaker 1: a thousand things happening. Yeah. Well, and the enemy of

1213
01:02:23,840 --> 01:02:26,480
Speaker 1: most of us being closers is our paranoia that they're

1214
01:02:26,520 --> 01:02:29,440
Speaker 1: going to get away, right, and so it is really

1215
01:02:29,480 --> 01:02:32,400
Speaker 1: easy to default to murping them even when you don't

1216
01:02:32,440 --> 01:02:35,040
Speaker 1: need to. And so it's just you kind of kind

1217
01:02:35,040 --> 01:02:37,120
Speaker 1: of just read it. I mean that the buck that

1218
01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:41,800
Speaker 1: I shot last week, I had two shooting holes that

1219
01:02:41,840 --> 01:02:43,360
Speaker 1: he was going to go through this trail and there's

1220
01:02:43,400 --> 01:02:47,200
Speaker 1: really thick stuff, and I murped him on the first

1221
01:02:47,240 --> 01:02:49,240
Speaker 1: one and he didn't stop, and imurped him louder on

1222
01:02:49,280 --> 01:02:51,480
Speaker 1: the second one and he stopped. But that was it.

1223
01:02:52,440 --> 01:02:56,080
Speaker 1: If he if he'd got through there another foot, it's over.

1224
01:02:56,160 --> 01:02:57,920
Speaker 1: And so in that situation, you're looking at like, I

1225
01:02:57,920 --> 01:03:02,120
Speaker 1: don't have a choice that situation, and you're talking about, Yeah,

1226
01:03:02,200 --> 01:03:05,640
Speaker 1: in hindsight, you probably should have just shot him, but

1227
01:03:05,760 --> 01:03:08,840
Speaker 1: it's so hard to just let that go without like

1228
01:03:08,960 --> 01:03:12,520
Speaker 1: I need to make this happen this way now. And

1229
01:03:12,560 --> 01:03:14,760
Speaker 1: so I think it's I mean, this is a really

1230
01:03:14,800 --> 01:03:18,120
Speaker 1: tough thing to talk about because even with lots of experience,

1231
01:03:18,160 --> 01:03:20,680
Speaker 1: you get it wrong a lot. But my thing that

1232
01:03:20,760 --> 01:03:23,160
Speaker 1: you know, with the original question, if you've got a

1233
01:03:23,160 --> 01:03:26,640
Speaker 1: buck that's trucking through there, and you know, it's like

1234
01:03:27,000 --> 01:03:29,880
Speaker 1: do or die time, Now, I'm gonna make that dude

1235
01:03:29,880 --> 01:03:32,320
Speaker 1: stop or I'm gonna scare him, because what do you

1236
01:03:32,360 --> 01:03:34,760
Speaker 1: have to lose? You know? And sometimes you know, like

1237
01:03:34,760 --> 01:03:37,080
Speaker 1: the buck I shot last year and the beginning of

1238
01:03:37,080 --> 01:03:40,520
Speaker 1: one week in November, that dude was he was cruising.

1239
01:03:40,600 --> 01:03:42,680
Speaker 1: I murped him like five times before he stopped, and

1240
01:03:42,720 --> 01:03:45,680
Speaker 1: he was fifteen yards away, you know, but it's like

1241
01:03:46,280 --> 01:03:49,040
Speaker 1: I just gotta ramp up the frequency across your fingers,

1242
01:03:49,080 --> 01:03:52,240
Speaker 1: you know, So in that case, you make a bunch

1243
01:03:52,240 --> 01:03:55,240
Speaker 1: of noise to finally get this buck to stop. Do

1244
01:03:55,320 --> 01:03:57,600
Speaker 1: you aim low? Would you always say aim low in

1245
01:03:57,600 --> 01:04:00,920
Speaker 1: that kind of situation because you're assuming jump string scenario

1246
01:04:01,080 --> 01:04:04,440
Speaker 1: or what? Yeah, I would tell everybody that, I promise

1247
01:04:04,520 --> 01:04:07,760
Speaker 1: you I've never done that once. Like I don't have

1248
01:04:07,880 --> 01:04:11,760
Speaker 1: enough brain power. When I've got one right there, I

1249
01:04:12,440 --> 01:04:14,920
Speaker 1: tend to just get that pin where I think it

1250
01:04:14,920 --> 01:04:17,840
Speaker 1: needs to be, and I don't. I don't think like,

1251
01:04:17,880 --> 01:04:21,040
Speaker 1: well three inches lower because he's gonna drop, you know.

1252
01:04:21,120 --> 01:04:25,000
Speaker 1: And you know, sometimes like on that buck you shot,

1253
01:04:25,440 --> 01:04:27,680
Speaker 1: if you watch that versus the buck that I shot,

1254
01:04:27,720 --> 01:04:30,160
Speaker 1: and I think yours was like maybe five yards farther

1255
01:04:30,240 --> 01:04:32,800
Speaker 1: than mine. But when I watched the footage of the

1256
01:04:32,840 --> 01:04:35,280
Speaker 1: buck that I shot, he didn't get out of the

1257
01:04:35,280 --> 01:04:38,040
Speaker 1: way hardly at all. Yeah, And so you know it's

1258
01:04:38,120 --> 01:04:41,920
Speaker 1: kind of like, gosh, you know, which deer is it,

1259
01:04:42,040 --> 01:04:45,360
Speaker 1: and what specific conditions and what mood did you catch

1260
01:04:45,440 --> 01:04:47,640
Speaker 1: them in? And what are they thinking about? And so

1261
01:04:47,760 --> 01:04:52,240
Speaker 1: it's it's a crapshoot, man. Yeah, it really is. There's

1262
01:04:52,280 --> 01:04:54,720
Speaker 1: no perfect answer for every scenario because they're all different.

1263
01:04:55,400 --> 01:04:59,560
Speaker 1: Yep Uh. Arrows North asks a question that I think

1264
01:04:59,600 --> 01:05:02,080
Speaker 1: we all, I think most of us dealt with something

1265
01:05:02,120 --> 01:05:03,760
Speaker 1: like this over the last week, which is, how do

1266
01:05:03,840 --> 01:05:07,680
Speaker 1: you morning hunt a new location. Do you prefer to

1267
01:05:07,760 --> 01:05:10,240
Speaker 1: hang in the pitch dark well before daylight or do

1268
01:05:10,280 --> 01:05:12,400
Speaker 1: you wait for pink light so you can see stuff?

1269
01:05:13,120 --> 01:05:16,600
Speaker 1: What do you do? I hate hanging stands in the dark.

1270
01:05:17,200 --> 01:05:20,840
Speaker 1: Um I did it to you know, our setups, whether

1271
01:05:20,880 --> 01:05:25,720
Speaker 1: I was using stands or I was using saddles. Um.

1272
01:05:25,760 --> 01:05:28,040
Speaker 1: If I have a tree scouted out, which is what

1273
01:05:28,080 --> 01:05:31,480
Speaker 1: I usually try to do, then and and this is

1274
01:05:31,480 --> 01:05:35,760
Speaker 1: a lesson that I learn a lot is don't say

1275
01:05:35,840 --> 01:05:38,120
Speaker 1: you scouted out a tree until you stood there and

1276
01:05:38,160 --> 01:05:41,280
Speaker 1: you thought about it for like twenty minutes. Like I'm

1277
01:05:41,320 --> 01:05:44,360
Speaker 1: going up this side and I'm hanging off this side,

1278
01:05:44,400 --> 01:05:47,560
Speaker 1: and my shots are here, or you know, my sticks,

1279
01:05:47,760 --> 01:05:51,120
Speaker 1: like I'm setting them up this way, like because it's

1280
01:05:51,120 --> 01:05:52,720
Speaker 1: so easy to walk into a spot and be like,

1281
01:05:52,760 --> 01:05:54,720
Speaker 1: there's my tree, and then walk out and come back.

1282
01:05:54,760 --> 01:05:56,600
Speaker 1: And then you get there and it is way more

1283
01:05:56,680 --> 01:05:59,760
Speaker 1: crooked or way more gnarly than you think, and so

1284
01:06:00,800 --> 01:06:02,880
Speaker 1: I try to make it so I can set up

1285
01:06:02,880 --> 01:06:05,920
Speaker 1: in the darkest quietly as possible and be there way

1286
01:06:05,960 --> 01:06:09,800
Speaker 1: before first light and up. But if you're not that confident,

1287
01:06:09,920 --> 01:06:12,000
Speaker 1: you know, if you don't have a bunch of experience

1288
01:06:12,040 --> 01:06:15,520
Speaker 1: doing that, you know, right right at first light might

1289
01:06:15,560 --> 01:06:17,840
Speaker 1: be the way to go. Yeah, you know, especially in

1290
01:06:17,880 --> 01:06:20,960
Speaker 1: the rut when a lot of times the best activity

1291
01:06:21,000 --> 01:06:23,400
Speaker 1: is actually late in the morning. Anyways, when you're getting

1292
01:06:23,400 --> 01:06:26,520
Speaker 1: those bucks that start cruising, you know, nine o'clock, ten o'clock,

1293
01:06:26,520 --> 01:06:29,040
Speaker 1: ten thirty or whatever it is. Um, you might be

1294
01:06:29,040 --> 01:06:31,120
Speaker 1: a get away with that first light kind of scenario

1295
01:06:31,600 --> 01:06:34,520
Speaker 1: if you're back in a betting your ar something. UM.

1296
01:06:34,640 --> 01:06:36,720
Speaker 1: I like to be set up before dark as well.

1297
01:06:36,800 --> 01:06:38,560
Speaker 1: I get in there like two hours ahead of time,

1298
01:06:38,600 --> 01:06:40,680
Speaker 1: just because I'm I'm worried about noise. I'm worried about

1299
01:06:40,680 --> 01:06:41,920
Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff. So I get in there

1300
01:06:41,920 --> 01:06:46,600
Speaker 1: super early. I set up. I always my approach is slow,

1301
01:06:47,200 --> 01:06:49,760
Speaker 1: slow and smooth and quiet, so I don't worry about

1302
01:06:49,800 --> 01:06:52,560
Speaker 1: rushing it. I try to take my time, do it right,

1303
01:06:52,720 --> 01:06:56,240
Speaker 1: do it quiet, um, and then I can sit and

1304
01:06:56,320 --> 01:06:58,360
Speaker 1: be there for fourty or five minutes before daylight and

1305
01:06:58,400 --> 01:07:01,280
Speaker 1: just feel like everything's calmed down around me. But yeah,

1306
01:07:01,400 --> 01:07:04,800
Speaker 1: it's not fun. It's not easy. It's always disappointing when

1307
01:07:04,840 --> 01:07:06,919
Speaker 1: it gets daylight out and you see, I know there's

1308
01:07:06,920 --> 01:07:09,520
Speaker 1: a branch there, and there's a branch there, and you

1309
01:07:09,560 --> 01:07:12,040
Speaker 1: know I've had this past week for example, I was

1310
01:07:12,080 --> 01:07:15,000
Speaker 1: fortunately we had a lot of windy days, so you know,

1311
01:07:15,000 --> 01:07:17,800
Speaker 1: there was one day where I got down midday and

1312
01:07:17,840 --> 01:07:20,440
Speaker 1: did a bunch of limb trimming because I got set

1313
01:07:20,520 --> 01:07:22,920
Speaker 1: up in the spot and dark, that looked like it

1314
01:07:22,920 --> 01:07:25,040
Speaker 1: would work. And then when I got daylight, I realized,

1315
01:07:25,080 --> 01:07:28,080
Speaker 1: holy smokes, there's almost nowhere I can shoot um because

1316
01:07:28,080 --> 01:07:30,120
Speaker 1: of how thick the cover wasn't there. So I used

1317
01:07:30,120 --> 01:07:33,400
Speaker 1: that wind to open up a couple of lanes. So yeah,

1318
01:07:33,520 --> 01:07:37,000
Speaker 1: that's what the air towards. But it's it's not foolproof

1319
01:07:37,120 --> 01:07:39,600
Speaker 1: doing it that way, no, I mean, it's so much

1320
01:07:39,640 --> 01:07:41,400
Speaker 1: better to have a stand up and just walk out

1321
01:07:41,480 --> 01:07:43,400
Speaker 1: to it and follow your nice tag trail and climb

1322
01:07:43,400 --> 01:07:46,160
Speaker 1: in quietly. Yeah, man, that's for sure what I thought

1323
01:07:46,200 --> 01:07:49,960
Speaker 1: about that this year. How even though I mostly saddle

1324
01:07:50,040 --> 01:07:52,600
Speaker 1: hunt on like my local stuff that I hunt year

1325
01:07:52,640 --> 01:07:55,000
Speaker 1: after year after year, at a minimum, I think I'm

1326
01:07:55,040 --> 01:07:58,080
Speaker 1: gonna like put ladders or tree steps up more trees

1327
01:07:58,160 --> 01:07:59,920
Speaker 1: just to make just to take that step out of

1328
01:08:00,080 --> 01:08:05,000
Speaker 1: least of um of extra spots, you know, because it

1329
01:08:05,120 --> 01:08:08,160
Speaker 1: does get tiring setting up a mobile, set up up

1330
01:08:08,160 --> 01:08:10,080
Speaker 1: and down, up and down, you know, seven days in

1331
01:08:10,080 --> 01:08:13,320
Speaker 1: a row. Well, and it honestly, it doesn't make that

1332
01:08:13,480 --> 01:08:15,840
Speaker 1: much sense if you could set up ahead of time.

1333
01:08:16,720 --> 01:08:19,160
Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, you're gonna do the work. Why not

1334
01:08:19,200 --> 01:08:21,439
Speaker 1: do it ahead of time so that it's easier while

1335
01:08:21,439 --> 01:08:24,400
Speaker 1: you're hunting. It's quieter while you're hunting. Putt in that

1336
01:08:24,439 --> 01:08:27,360
Speaker 1: work earlier in the year when it won't hurt you. Yep.

1337
01:08:28,960 --> 01:08:32,240
Speaker 1: Um Rick asks, if I'm honeting all day, that means

1338
01:08:32,240 --> 01:08:34,320
Speaker 1: I have to pee. Just go from the stand, take

1339
01:08:34,320 --> 01:08:36,439
Speaker 1: a bottle. What do you do? This is one that

1340
01:08:36,479 --> 01:08:40,400
Speaker 1: people always ask, um Tony, what do you do? Let

1341
01:08:40,400 --> 01:08:44,559
Speaker 1: her fly? Buddy? Yeah? Same here, Yeah, it doesn't matter,

1342
01:08:44,640 --> 01:08:49,800
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. Okay, what about number two? Let her fly?

1343
01:08:51,320 --> 01:08:56,680
Speaker 1: Life that stand? Our buddy Dan Johnson does that? My uh,

1344
01:08:57,840 --> 01:08:59,880
Speaker 1: I was joking with my camera man a lot about

1345
01:08:59,880 --> 01:09:01,439
Speaker 1: that this year, that he liked to do that while

1346
01:09:01,439 --> 01:09:05,280
Speaker 1: he made eye contact with me the whole time. No,

1347
01:09:05,520 --> 01:09:07,920
Speaker 1: I mean I think number two, you know, maybe get

1348
01:09:07,920 --> 01:09:12,240
Speaker 1: down and save yourself some embarrassment. I guess I don't know.

1349
01:09:12,280 --> 01:09:14,240
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure there's situations where you could just

1350
01:09:14,320 --> 01:09:18,040
Speaker 1: drop a bomb off there and okay, But in all seriousness,

1351
01:09:18,200 --> 01:09:20,519
Speaker 1: do you think that if you had to do that,

1352
01:09:20,520 --> 01:09:22,800
Speaker 1: that a deer would be get freaked out by that

1353
01:09:22,840 --> 01:09:25,200
Speaker 1: smell or be like attracted to it, Like what is this?

1354
01:09:26,640 --> 01:09:30,000
Speaker 1: I have a hard time believing they'd be attracted to it. Uh,

1355
01:09:30,040 --> 01:09:33,000
Speaker 1: but I don't think they'd be spooked by it. See,

1356
01:09:33,000 --> 01:09:35,760
Speaker 1: I've wondered. I've never had this happen, so I've never

1357
01:09:35,760 --> 01:09:37,720
Speaker 1: seen it, but I wonder, like it would it be

1358
01:09:37,800 --> 01:09:40,519
Speaker 1: like a curiosity thing like holy ship? What is that?

1359
01:09:40,760 --> 01:09:44,360
Speaker 1: And um kind of just like swing further down wind

1360
01:09:44,360 --> 01:09:48,160
Speaker 1: of it and be you know, curious, like what is this? Um?

1361
01:09:48,280 --> 01:09:51,320
Speaker 1: Because it'd be like an overwhelming smell that's different than

1362
01:09:51,320 --> 01:09:54,639
Speaker 1: the usual UM. I've worried about that. Like, so I've

1363
01:09:54,720 --> 01:09:57,160
Speaker 1: positioned if I have to do it, like, I won't

1364
01:09:57,160 --> 01:10:00,639
Speaker 1: poop up wind, I'll go I'll go down win where

1365
01:10:00,640 --> 01:10:05,040
Speaker 1: a deer would win me. Anyways, So you gotta be

1366
01:10:05,240 --> 01:10:08,519
Speaker 1: gotta be tactical of all decisions, don't it Jesus Christ.

1367
01:10:10,360 --> 01:10:12,360
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, I guess you just have to

1368
01:10:12,400 --> 01:10:15,040
Speaker 1: experiment and drop a growler in different spots and see

1369
01:10:15,040 --> 01:10:17,799
Speaker 1: how they react. I don't know. We'll cut. We'll report

1370
01:10:17,800 --> 01:10:19,360
Speaker 1: back on this in a few years once we have

1371
01:10:19,360 --> 01:10:23,479
Speaker 1: more experience. Okay, how about one more and then we'll

1372
01:10:23,479 --> 01:10:26,280
Speaker 1: wrap this up so that folks can get out to

1373
01:10:26,360 --> 01:10:30,080
Speaker 1: the woods. Um, my rutcation is coming to the end.

1374
01:10:31,040 --> 01:10:34,439
Speaker 1: What is one auto the box idea I should consider

1375
01:10:34,720 --> 01:10:42,320
Speaker 1: for mid to late November on my next chance. Mm hmm,

1376
01:10:44,200 --> 01:10:46,120
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, I guess you would say maybe

1377
01:10:46,200 --> 01:10:49,000
Speaker 1: try to still hunt or something like that. I mean,

1378
01:10:49,040 --> 01:10:51,880
Speaker 1: I think that that person is looking for you know,

1379
01:10:52,320 --> 01:10:55,200
Speaker 1: use a decoy or you know, get out there and rattle.

1380
01:10:55,920 --> 01:10:58,519
Speaker 1: But I wouldn't. I mean, maybe I'm too boring for this.

1381
01:10:58,600 --> 01:11:02,479
Speaker 1: But my my shake it up strategy is always just

1382
01:11:02,560 --> 01:11:07,120
Speaker 1: to ask myself a question like where where's a wild spot?

1383
01:11:07,120 --> 01:11:09,800
Speaker 1: I never hunt that they could just be there, Like

1384
01:11:09,800 --> 01:11:12,120
Speaker 1: where where have I written off? Or where am I

1385
01:11:12,200 --> 01:11:16,800
Speaker 1: just like that's not the place? And is it now?

1386
01:11:17,000 --> 01:11:18,960
Speaker 1: Like is it worth? Like? Is there is there enough

1387
01:11:18,960 --> 01:11:21,400
Speaker 1: curiosity there to just take a flyer on a day

1388
01:11:21,439 --> 01:11:24,760
Speaker 1: and be like I'm gonna go someplace that I just

1389
01:11:25,600 --> 01:11:28,320
Speaker 1: for whatever reason, hasn't drawn me in before. But I'm

1390
01:11:28,320 --> 01:11:30,040
Speaker 1: not seeing him here. I'm not seeing him here, and

1391
01:11:30,040 --> 01:11:32,599
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go, I'm just gonna take a leap on

1392
01:11:32,600 --> 01:11:36,040
Speaker 1: one of these and go find it. And I say

1393
01:11:36,080 --> 01:11:38,800
Speaker 1: that because I've done that a lot. Like my dad

1394
01:11:38,880 --> 01:11:41,000
Speaker 1: was like that with his hunting. He would do stupid

1395
01:11:41,000 --> 01:11:43,519
Speaker 1: ship all the time, and you're like, why are why

1396
01:11:43,560 --> 01:11:44,880
Speaker 1: are you doing this? And he's like, I was just

1397
01:11:44,880 --> 01:11:47,519
Speaker 1: curious to see if they'd come in there. And it's

1398
01:11:47,600 --> 01:11:53,479
Speaker 1: sometimes works because it's not typical white tail hunting. Yeah,

1399
01:11:53,600 --> 01:11:55,760
Speaker 1: I agree with that. Um. The one other thing I

1400
01:11:55,760 --> 01:12:01,200
Speaker 1: would add would be to kind of do the opposite

1401
01:12:01,520 --> 01:12:03,760
Speaker 1: in order to find that place. And so what I

1402
01:12:03,800 --> 01:12:06,280
Speaker 1: mean by that is once you get to you know,

1403
01:12:06,360 --> 01:12:09,479
Speaker 1: the second or the last third of never November, let's

1404
01:12:09,479 --> 01:12:12,599
Speaker 1: say there's been a lot of hunting pressure in most places,

1405
01:12:13,000 --> 01:12:15,080
Speaker 1: and in many states there's already been a gun season

1406
01:12:15,080 --> 01:12:17,759
Speaker 1: that's kicked into gear. So now deer have really changed

1407
01:12:17,760 --> 01:12:21,040
Speaker 1: their patterns. Um, stuff is different in late November than

1408
01:12:21,080 --> 01:12:24,559
Speaker 1: it was two weeks ago, significantly different than it was

1409
01:12:24,640 --> 01:12:28,080
Speaker 1: six weeks ago, and since the rut hit let's say

1410
01:12:28,160 --> 01:12:30,760
Speaker 1: late October, the first couple weeks of November, most of

1411
01:12:30,840 --> 01:12:33,519
Speaker 1: us have been like diving into our honey hooles. We've

1412
01:12:33,520 --> 01:12:35,679
Speaker 1: been hunting our best stuff. We're in the thick cover,

1413
01:12:35,720 --> 01:12:38,120
Speaker 1: we're hunting deal betting areas, we're hunting pinch points, back

1414
01:12:38,120 --> 01:12:41,880
Speaker 1: and cover. Whatever it is. We're in the stuff. Um,

1415
01:12:43,080 --> 01:12:46,000
Speaker 1: the end of November might be a time to go

1416
01:12:46,120 --> 01:12:49,080
Speaker 1: to an observation stand, go to somewhere where you can

1417
01:12:49,120 --> 01:12:52,920
Speaker 1: glass or see some new country or just maybe not

1418
01:12:53,040 --> 01:12:55,960
Speaker 1: see far, but just observe something different and try to learn. Like,

1419
01:12:56,320 --> 01:12:58,960
Speaker 1: if you're not in them, now, get out and find

1420
01:12:59,040 --> 01:13:02,040
Speaker 1: where they are. So either like you said, plunge into

1421
01:13:02,120 --> 01:13:03,880
Speaker 1: that off the wall place that you never go to,

1422
01:13:04,640 --> 01:13:07,280
Speaker 1: or get to a place where you can watch several

1423
01:13:07,320 --> 01:13:10,120
Speaker 1: spots like that. Maybe you are just driving the back

1424
01:13:10,200 --> 01:13:13,800
Speaker 1: roads and glassing different spots, but just figure out, you know,

1425
01:13:13,880 --> 01:13:16,759
Speaker 1: if you don't know this already, I would recommend trying

1426
01:13:16,800 --> 01:13:19,639
Speaker 1: to take a day off from your rut grind maybe

1427
01:13:19,800 --> 01:13:23,080
Speaker 1: and on November twenty three or whatever, seek out where

1428
01:13:23,120 --> 01:13:25,880
Speaker 1: is that new hotspot of activity, Where is that little spot,

1429
01:13:25,920 --> 01:13:28,320
Speaker 1: Where is the sink that all the deer have pushed into?

1430
01:13:28,400 --> 01:13:32,120
Speaker 1: Because of pressure everywhere else that maybe you weren't expecting. Um.

1431
01:13:32,160 --> 01:13:34,200
Speaker 1: So that's one more idea that you know. I don't

1432
01:13:34,200 --> 01:13:37,439
Speaker 1: think many people would do observation sits in November, but

1433
01:13:37,520 --> 01:13:39,400
Speaker 1: if you don't know where they're at at this point,

1434
01:13:39,479 --> 01:13:41,960
Speaker 1: you might need to rEFInd and figure out what these

1435
01:13:41,960 --> 01:13:44,160
Speaker 1: deer are doing to adjust to that pressure. So that's

1436
01:13:44,400 --> 01:13:48,080
Speaker 1: that's an idea. You could also, you know, have an

1437
01:13:48,479 --> 01:13:53,480
Speaker 1: enormous meal at Taco Bell and then drink some espressos

1438
01:13:53,600 --> 01:13:55,200
Speaker 1: and then go out there and just blow mud all

1439
01:13:55,240 --> 01:13:57,320
Speaker 1: the way around your standard wait for the curiosity to

1440
01:13:57,400 --> 01:14:02,680
Speaker 1: kick in. You know that that's a really good way

1441
01:14:02,720 --> 01:14:05,240
Speaker 1: to come three sixty on this wrap wrap, put a

1442
01:14:05,280 --> 01:14:08,360
Speaker 1: bow on it, and uh give you some real original

1443
01:14:08,400 --> 01:14:11,000
Speaker 1: content here and wired to hunt folks. So we are

1444
01:14:11,040 --> 01:14:14,720
Speaker 1: really breaking some boundaries here, buddy. I think we've we've

1445
01:14:14,760 --> 01:14:17,280
Speaker 1: really set the stage for the end of our careers.

1446
01:14:17,320 --> 01:14:20,800
Speaker 1: But so it goes uh any final thoughts tony four,

1447
01:14:20,800 --> 01:14:24,679
Speaker 1: we send folks on their way. Just keep going. Figure

1448
01:14:24,720 --> 01:14:27,800
Speaker 1: out a way to stay warm, you know, handwarmers, whatever.

1449
01:14:27,880 --> 01:14:31,280
Speaker 1: You gotta do, the right food, the right entertainment. However,

1450
01:14:31,280 --> 01:14:32,679
Speaker 1: you got to do it and keep after it because

1451
01:14:32,680 --> 01:14:36,920
Speaker 1: there's still some time loft. Yeah, it's possible. Um, know

1452
01:14:37,120 --> 01:14:39,280
Speaker 1: that there will be slow days, Know that there are

1453
01:14:39,280 --> 01:14:42,040
Speaker 1: going to be some moments of suck, but enjoy it

1454
01:14:42,080 --> 01:14:44,920
Speaker 1: for what it is, stick it out, have fun and

1455
01:14:45,080 --> 01:14:49,840
Speaker 1: uh good things are still ahead big time. Thanks Tony,

1456
01:14:49,840 --> 01:14:53,360
Speaker 1: thank you, and that's a wrap. Thank you all for

1457
01:14:53,439 --> 01:14:57,080
Speaker 1: tuning in. Appreciate it. Hope your November has been great

1458
01:14:57,160 --> 01:14:59,400
Speaker 1: so far. I hope the second half of the month

1459
01:14:59,520 --> 01:15:02,559
Speaker 1: is even better if you're still after it. Wishing you

1460
01:15:02,720 --> 01:15:05,040
Speaker 1: all the luck in the world. Appreciate you being a

1461
01:15:05,040 --> 01:15:07,559
Speaker 1: part of this community. Make sure you were following all

1462
01:15:07,560 --> 01:15:09,840
Speaker 1: the stuff we've got going on over at wired Hunt

1463
01:15:09,920 --> 01:15:13,400
Speaker 1: and the media, your website, and until next time, thank you.

1464
01:15:13,960 --> 01:15:16,920
Speaker 1: Get out there and stay wired to