WEBVTT - We'll Change Your Mind About Being "Woke" 0:00:01.680 --> 0:00:05.240 Hey, their folks sit. It's Tuesday, August the fifth. I 0:00:05.280 --> 0:00:09.520 got a question for you. Do you consider yourself woke? 0:00:11.640 --> 0:00:14.800 And do you consider woke a good thing or a 0:00:14.840 --> 0:00:18.439 bad thing? In fact, is it an insult or a compliment? 0:00:19.000 --> 0:00:21.880 If somebody says you're woke? Actually, let's go back a bit. 0:00:22.480 --> 0:00:25.840 Do you even know what it means to be woke? 0:00:26.120 --> 0:00:30.200 And with that, welcome to this very woke edition of 0:00:30.280 --> 0:00:33.800 Amy and TJ Rope. Somebody calls you woke, you immediately 0:00:33.800 --> 0:00:36.720 take that as what instinctively. 0:00:36.920 --> 0:00:40.720 I would instinctively take it as a compliment. I'm aware 0:00:41.360 --> 0:00:48.200 that I am interested in things outside of my world 0:00:48.280 --> 0:00:50.200 and my lens that I'm saying. 0:00:50.240 --> 0:00:53.280 Even with all that we hear about woke these days, 0:00:53.520 --> 0:00:55.880 you still would hear it and take it as a compliment. 0:00:56.120 --> 0:00:58.240 Well, it depends on who was saying it and why 0:00:58.280 --> 0:01:02.160 they were saying it. Yeah, that would be an important nuance. 0:01:02.640 --> 0:01:07.160 But I do think generally speaking, I would consider someone 0:01:07.200 --> 0:01:11.880 who is woke someone who is has been awakened, who 0:01:12.440 --> 0:01:15.720 recognizes that you don't know what you don't know, and 0:01:15.760 --> 0:01:19.520 that there are other people and other cultures and other 0:01:21.000 --> 0:01:25.920 just issues that maybe you don't consider that you've now recognized. 0:01:25.959 --> 0:01:27.640 So I guess in my head it's like it's a 0:01:27.640 --> 0:01:30.880 cultural awakening, it's a that's kind of how I would 0:01:30.880 --> 0:01:33.319 look at it. I understand it's thrown around in certain 0:01:33.319 --> 0:01:37.880 ways now politically that are intended to be insulting. I 0:01:37.959 --> 0:01:40.520 get that, But I still think, how is it a 0:01:40.560 --> 0:01:45.400 bad thing to wake up to recognize, even if it's 0:01:45.440 --> 0:01:47.800 what you don't know, How is that a bad thing? 0:01:47.920 --> 0:01:50.000 Oh, it's not a bad thing. Obviously, the word has 0:01:50.040 --> 0:01:54.520 been stolen, it's been co opted. It's been taken from us, 0:01:54.840 --> 0:01:57.640 I should say those of us, in particular the black community. 0:01:57.840 --> 0:02:03.160 It's been taken by and let's be specific, politicians, Republican politicians, 0:02:03.440 --> 0:02:06.919 white Republican men, to be specific, is where this word 0:02:07.080 --> 0:02:09.560 has and they have done a great job with their messaging, 0:02:09.600 --> 0:02:13.440 because I don't even feel like black folks have control 0:02:13.520 --> 0:02:16.800 of this word anymore, because in the I would say 0:02:16.800 --> 0:02:19.920 ten years, in the past ten years, at least, the 0:02:20.000 --> 0:02:22.359 majority of time I hear the word woke has been 0:02:22.760 --> 0:02:28.040 all negative. It has been all political. In the years 0:02:28.040 --> 0:02:31.040 prior to that, it was all black folks. It was 0:02:31.080 --> 0:02:35.280 a positive thing. It was you were almost it was 0:02:35.320 --> 0:02:38.760 almost an insult. If somebody considered you not to be woke, 0:02:40.120 --> 0:02:42.320 that's not where we are anymore. The word is such, 0:02:42.400 --> 0:02:45.720 it is thrown around as DII and it just it's 0:02:45.760 --> 0:02:49.400 all negative. And this came up Rover. It's probably daily, 0:02:49.480 --> 0:02:51.560 is it not that we end up doing a morning ryme, 0:02:51.560 --> 0:02:54.280 we're doing our podcast, we're doing the news, and the 0:02:54.280 --> 0:02:56.799 word woke comes up, and at some point sometimes I've 0:02:56.840 --> 0:02:59.160 done it on the podcast in just a moment, are 0:02:59.200 --> 0:03:01.880 certainly saying to you like, I'm so sick of this, 0:03:02.440 --> 0:03:05.040 I'm so sick of hearing the word woke. We should 0:03:05.080 --> 0:03:07.000 do something on it one day, And we finally got 0:03:07.000 --> 0:03:10.800 here because actually was Trump that got us to this 0:03:10.840 --> 0:03:15.120 point today with a very long, confusing post that he 0:03:15.240 --> 0:03:19.280 went woke and I didn't see it coming, and it's 0:03:19.320 --> 0:03:24.960 the Sidney Sweeney ad. We're still talking about that thing, 0:03:25.080 --> 0:03:29.680 but that has people are celebrating that as being anti woke. 0:03:31.440 --> 0:03:34.040 Which is I think assigning something to it that I 0:03:34.040 --> 0:03:36.880 would like to believe was never the intention. But okay, 0:03:37.280 --> 0:03:40.200 use that again as a political hot potato and use 0:03:40.240 --> 0:03:44.600 it to then push this messaging out that yes, white 0:03:44.600 --> 0:03:50.240 male politicians specifically have taken over and made to actually 0:03:50.560 --> 0:03:54.560 support an anti wokeness basically in a way, if that 0:03:54.600 --> 0:03:57.120 makes any sense. What is anti wokeness. 0:03:56.720 --> 0:04:04.640 Anti woke is pro white, anti wokeness is anti blackness. 0:04:04.720 --> 0:04:08.360 It's anti diversity if you are against that, and that's 0:04:08.400 --> 0:04:09.920 how it's being used. 0:04:09.920 --> 0:04:10.080 Now. 0:04:10.120 --> 0:04:12.160 We can say this all day long, and we are 0:04:12.200 --> 0:04:14.600 not unlet We should make this clear, Robes. We are 0:04:14.640 --> 0:04:17.000 not trying to have a political discussion right now. We 0:04:17.080 --> 0:04:18.880 are not trying to get on the sides of people 0:04:18.920 --> 0:04:21.680 who think this is an ideology or not. I have 0:04:21.720 --> 0:04:23.960 my feelings about where it is when it comes to woke, 0:04:24.360 --> 0:04:25.919 but this is not We're not trying to have a 0:04:25.960 --> 0:04:28.600 political argument. All we were trying to do, Robes, And 0:04:28.600 --> 0:04:31.400 I've been begging folks to just stop for a second, 0:04:31.720 --> 0:04:35.600 take a beat, and examine what woke actually is and 0:04:35.640 --> 0:04:40.039 don't just accept the negative definition that's being heaped on you, 0:04:40.120 --> 0:04:42.760 because you're actually starting to think, and we're starting to 0:04:42.839 --> 0:04:52.279 believe that if you are woke, then you are for diversity, 0:04:52.520 --> 0:05:00.440 and that's bad. All. That's where the messaging now lie. 0:05:00.640 --> 0:05:03.719 And we talk about those robes all the freaking time. 0:05:04.160 --> 0:05:05.839 Do you even know if you walk down the street, 0:05:05.839 --> 0:05:09.240 what is woke? I just asked three kid downstairs, all 0:05:09.240 --> 0:05:12.520 white under the age of twenty two, about woke, and 0:05:12.560 --> 0:05:14.719 their answer was all the same. It's negative. 0:05:15.400 --> 0:05:21.600 It's an insult, which is crazy because so you've been 0:05:21.640 --> 0:05:24.880 wanting to do this podcast for some time, and I 0:05:24.920 --> 0:05:30.359 asked you to give me some of the just the 0:05:30.360 --> 0:05:32.880 the articles, the research that you were using to go 0:05:32.960 --> 0:05:34.920 back and really take a look at that word, where 0:05:34.920 --> 0:05:39.880 it began and how it basically was stolen, especially in 0:05:39.920 --> 0:05:42.719 the last few years. And I have to say I 0:05:42.839 --> 0:05:45.880 learned a heck of a lot about that word that 0:05:46.000 --> 0:05:48.960 I did not know, and I'm just fully admitting I 0:05:49.120 --> 0:05:52.880 did not know the origins and I did not realize that. 0:05:54.120 --> 0:05:57.400 I mean, even a few years ago, folks were saying, 0:05:57.960 --> 0:06:00.680 go ahead and just exchange the word woke for black, 0:06:01.400 --> 0:06:06.080 and that's basically what's being said, which is scary if 0:06:06.080 --> 0:06:07.880 you think about it in those terms. If you just 0:06:07.960 --> 0:06:12.440 replace woke with black, that's offensive as hell. With how 0:06:12.440 --> 0:06:16.520 it's being used right now by many politicians, it. 0:06:16.560 --> 0:06:19.240 Just drives me crazy that anytime it comes up, it's 0:06:19.520 --> 0:06:23.320 automatically it's a word, it's a catch all. It is 0:06:23.360 --> 0:06:30.360 a all encompassing phrase to represent anti diversity, it's this 0:06:31.360 --> 0:06:36.320 idea that any effort to be progressive, any effort to 0:06:36.360 --> 0:06:40.400 be inclusive, any effort to be anything other than heterosexual 0:06:40.920 --> 0:06:45.320 and white, is woke. And I hate that we are 0:06:45.480 --> 0:06:48.840 now using this as a word and using diversity itself, 0:06:49.120 --> 0:06:52.800 the idea that we want to be inclusive as a negative. 0:06:53.600 --> 0:06:56.640 That's scary when you start to see businesses and we 0:06:56.720 --> 0:07:02.120 have seen one by one by one dropping their DEAI departments, 0:07:02.680 --> 0:07:11.680 dropping their DEI policies. Period. It's having real life impact 0:07:11.920 --> 0:07:14.200 on a lot of folks, and we haven't even seen 0:07:14.640 --> 0:07:16.880 the reality of what that's going to look like. You know, 0:07:17.000 --> 0:07:19.720 we're seeing these businesses make these decisions now in real 0:07:19.760 --> 0:07:21.880 time over the last couple of months. But what is 0:07:21.920 --> 0:07:23.600 it going to look like? What are these businesses going 0:07:23.640 --> 0:07:26.320 to look like? What is what are their policies going 0:07:26.320 --> 0:07:28.440 to look like six months from now, a year from now? 0:07:28.520 --> 0:07:31.600 What impact is that going to have on the people 0:07:31.640 --> 0:07:33.880 who these companies are supposed to be serving? 0:07:34.680 --> 0:07:36.520 And I don't look, but it's not like all these 0:07:36.520 --> 0:07:39.440 companies are very diverse when it comes to their corporate 0:07:39.520 --> 0:07:43.760 leadership already. So now you take away a policy or 0:07:43.800 --> 0:07:47.000 an idea, or at least a belief or at least 0:07:47.360 --> 0:07:50.240 a declaration that we want to do better, that we 0:07:50.360 --> 0:07:54.160 want to be more diverse. We are now embracing it, seems, 0:07:54.200 --> 0:07:56.120 and yes, this Sidney Sweeney ad has a lot to 0:07:56.160 --> 0:07:59.880 do with it, seeming to embrace this idea of yeah, 0:08:00.080 --> 0:08:03.360 we don't give a damn and we're gonna boldface, We're 0:08:03.400 --> 0:08:05.720 gonna look right in your eye and say we don't 0:08:05.760 --> 0:08:09.400 give a damn about including you in our group. That 0:08:09.600 --> 0:08:12.880 is now where the Sidney Sweeney ad. I don't think 0:08:12.880 --> 0:08:15.440 it's what American Eagle was trying to do. Not knocking 0:08:15.480 --> 0:08:18.080 Sidney Sweeney for it, but it's become a bigger part 0:08:18.120 --> 0:08:21.160 of a conversation. And that's okay. I'm glad we are 0:08:21.200 --> 0:08:22.840 talking about And you know what was the most encouraging 0:08:22.840 --> 0:08:26.000 part of us doing this podcast right now, if nobody 0:08:26.040 --> 0:08:29.000 else gets anything out of it, you just said, Wow, 0:08:29.480 --> 0:08:32.320 I learned something I didn't know about a word you 0:08:32.360 --> 0:08:34.640 hear all the time, and you hear me talk about 0:08:34.679 --> 0:08:37.400 all the time, and you still learn by just taking 0:08:37.440 --> 0:08:41.920 a beat on your own. And I think most people 0:08:41.920 --> 0:08:42.360 aren't doing that. 0:08:42.720 --> 0:08:45.240 Oh god no, And I'm telling you right now, it 0:08:45.840 --> 0:08:48.120 was another one of those kind of humbling moments where 0:08:48.160 --> 0:08:52.240 you hear something, you reference something, you use the word, 0:08:52.720 --> 0:08:57.080 and then you realize, damn, I didn't know what I 0:08:57.240 --> 0:08:59.360 was saying. I didn't know what I was talking about, 0:09:00.400 --> 0:09:02.880 what the current use of it is, and I know 0:09:03.200 --> 0:09:06.360 generally what it means, obviously, but I did not realize 0:09:06.400 --> 0:09:11.360 the origins. And when you realize the origins, you will 0:09:11.400 --> 0:09:14.560 think twice about how you use that word, when you 0:09:14.760 --> 0:09:17.720 use that word, where you use that word, and why 0:09:18.040 --> 0:09:18.920 you use that word. 0:09:19.160 --> 0:09:24.160 Yeah. It what set us off today talking about woke 0:09:24.320 --> 0:09:26.120 is the President put on a long statement having to 0:09:26.200 --> 0:09:28.520 do with Sidney Sweeney, but he took a couple of 0:09:28.559 --> 0:09:33.559 swipes at other industries, not industries, other companies Jaguar and 0:09:33.720 --> 0:09:37.840 bud Light in particular. Jaguar had an ad not too 0:09:37.920 --> 0:09:41.080 terribly long a year ago, whole relaunch of their brand, 0:09:41.760 --> 0:09:46.880 but they used just models that seem to be what's 0:09:46.880 --> 0:09:52.880 the right way to put it dressed Androgyn's stress. 0:09:52.600 --> 0:09:55.960 I guess right, like non gender specific, yes, And. 0:09:55.880 --> 0:09:59.920 It was seen as a as a woke commercial company. 0:10:00.000 --> 0:10:04.400 He did terribly. CEO just resigned, so Trump jumped him 0:10:04.440 --> 0:10:06.440 for that. Bud Light, same thing. It was a year ago, 0:10:06.520 --> 0:10:08.520 two years ago had a campaign in which they featured 0:10:08.520 --> 0:10:13.240 a trans influencer. People went crazy about that. Trump jumped 0:10:13.280 --> 0:10:15.120 on him for that. He called Taylor Swift in the 0:10:15.160 --> 0:10:20.560 same post a woke entertainer and that her career is hurting. 0:10:20.720 --> 0:10:23.080 I don't think so. But the last line is the 0:10:23.080 --> 0:10:26.560 one that got me. Quote. The tide has seriously turned. 0:10:27.080 --> 0:10:32.440 Being woke is for losers. Being Republican is what you 0:10:32.559 --> 0:10:41.040 want to be. Ah, that's tough. That's the president saying 0:10:41.080 --> 0:10:45.000 that this idea of awareness, this idea of woke, or 0:10:45.000 --> 0:10:47.480 at least the way they are defining is that if 0:10:47.559 --> 0:10:54.120 you are any way in any way supportive of progressive 0:10:54.200 --> 0:10:59.320 ideas or being diverse in any way, then you're a looser. 0:11:00.200 --> 0:11:05.240 The frustrating thing about it is, I think a lot 0:11:05.240 --> 0:11:08.880 of people, and I'm guessing I'm gonna put Republicans and 0:11:08.920 --> 0:11:13.480 some of the folks who are behind this way of 0:11:13.520 --> 0:11:17.440 thinking that it's if you're woke, you're a loser. They 0:11:17.559 --> 0:11:21.360 might be going up against or fighting back or pushing 0:11:21.400 --> 0:11:24.880 back against overcorrection, like overcorrection like we have to nobody 0:11:24.880 --> 0:11:27.120 can say anything, or we're gonna offend somebody if we 0:11:27.120 --> 0:11:31.160 don't use the right pronouns, we're gonna offend something. So 0:11:31.400 --> 0:11:33.800 I guess my point is you could still have an 0:11:33.920 --> 0:11:37.320 argument for guys, let's everybody calm down. Let's not be 0:11:37.480 --> 0:11:41.160 so quick to overcorrect and to be overly inclusive that 0:11:41.200 --> 0:11:45.080 we end up alienating everybody. And I think a lot 0:11:45.120 --> 0:11:48.560 of people can understand that. But that's not what he's saying, 0:11:48.600 --> 0:11:50.679 and that's not what a lot of folks are saying, 0:11:50.760 --> 0:11:52.559 or even the legislation we saw in Florida is saying. 0:11:52.600 --> 0:11:55.760 Because I could understand that, I understand it. It's tough 0:11:55.800 --> 0:11:58.360 sometimes when we go out of our way to the 0:11:58.400 --> 0:12:02.960 point where we are trying to include everybody, but it 0:12:03.040 --> 0:12:05.040 ends up excluding a lot of other people. You can 0:12:05.080 --> 0:12:07.360 go too far, is my point. And I could get 0:12:07.360 --> 0:12:12.679 behind that. I understand that, and that would be perhaps 0:12:12.720 --> 0:12:15.080 maybe an appropriate lane to stay in. But that is 0:12:15.080 --> 0:12:18.640 not the lane he's ever even been in. It's completely 0:12:18.840 --> 0:12:21.200 all or nothing, and I don't think in any way 0:12:21.280 --> 0:12:24.959 you operate if is that. Okay, you can't be all 0:12:25.400 --> 0:12:27.920 or nothing. There has to be some middle ground. And 0:12:28.000 --> 0:12:32.280 so if they're upset about overcorrection or even any conversation 0:12:32.360 --> 0:12:35.080 about inclusion when it comes to people and wanting to 0:12:35.080 --> 0:12:38.080 be a part of things, to go to the other 0:12:38.320 --> 0:12:41.480 side of things and say, anyone who considers anyone who 0:12:41.480 --> 0:12:43.720 doesn't look like you, sound like you, believe what you 0:12:43.760 --> 0:12:46.559 believe in, if you try to then placate them, you're 0:12:46.600 --> 0:12:49.800 a loser. That's ridiculous. That's so sad to me. And 0:12:49.840 --> 0:12:51.400 I don't want to go and point the finger at 0:12:51.440 --> 0:12:53.800 them or anyone else who feels that way. But think 0:12:53.840 --> 0:12:56.400 about what you're doing and what you're saying. We're right, 0:12:56.480 --> 0:13:00.560 you're wrong, us versus them. Tribalism, it's to visit and 0:13:01.040 --> 0:13:06.560 it's we should be about trying to be inclusive and 0:13:06.720 --> 0:13:11.640 understanding and curious, but not demonizing the other side or 0:13:11.679 --> 0:13:14.840 demonizing someone who thinks differently than you. And that's exactly 0:13:14.920 --> 0:13:16.840 what we're seeing from this leadership. 0:13:17.000 --> 0:13:19.800 Was it the d D didn't they change? They took 0:13:19.920 --> 0:13:22.920 John Lewis's name off of a what was it? 0:13:23.000 --> 0:13:25.040 Well, they took I know they took Harvey Milk's name 0:13:25.120 --> 0:13:28.040 off of the off of the airt aircraft Carria. 0:13:28.120 --> 0:13:32.920 The very good example now in wanting to honor an 0:13:33.080 --> 0:13:38.080 LGBTQ plus icon by who had a military background. 0:13:37.720 --> 0:13:41.560 Whose parents were military, he was military, I. 0:13:42.240 --> 0:13:44.440 Told myself, I didn't want to use specific examples in 0:13:44.440 --> 0:13:46.520 this because it's going to go sideways, but you've made 0:13:46.520 --> 0:13:49.000 me think of it. There. If you just want to 0:13:49.120 --> 0:13:52.240 honor this guy who had a military connection and was 0:13:52.280 --> 0:13:56.360 an icon for the LGBTQ plus community, that's woke. 0:13:57.800 --> 0:14:01.800 No, That is showing people that there's presentation for people 0:14:01.840 --> 0:14:04.800 who look like you or perhaps act like you, who 0:14:04.840 --> 0:14:07.840 aren't like the others. That's important. And I can say 0:14:07.840 --> 0:14:09.400 this is as and I can say this is a 0:14:09.440 --> 0:14:11.720 white woman understanding that you can speak to it in 0:14:11.760 --> 0:14:14.640 a way that I can't. How important it is to 0:14:14.760 --> 0:14:18.439 see people who look like you, or act like you, 0:14:18.600 --> 0:14:21.360 or feel the same way you do reflected in some way. 0:14:21.400 --> 0:14:23.960 It doesn't mean we have to go over the top. 0:14:24.040 --> 0:14:28.160 It just to take it away completely is so sad 0:14:28.240 --> 0:14:28.480 to me. 0:14:29.160 --> 0:14:31.320 So, folks, do you know right now? Folks, do you 0:14:31.360 --> 0:14:34.040 ask yourself, if you had to right now give me 0:14:34.120 --> 0:14:37.640 a definition of woke, could you do it? Well? It 0:14:37.720 --> 0:14:40.440 depends on who you ask. But today, most of the 0:14:40.480 --> 0:14:42.760 time that we hear the word woke, this is the 0:14:42.800 --> 0:14:45.360 definition that goes along with it. It is a negative. 0:14:46.200 --> 0:14:51.000 It's defined often by conservatives as an ideology being woke 0:14:51.120 --> 0:14:56.560 is to embrace progressive ideas that recognize social and racial injustices. 0:14:57.120 --> 0:14:58.160 That's a negative. 0:14:58.320 --> 0:14:59.320 How is that negative? 0:14:59.400 --> 0:15:02.920 Well, it is because no, no, no, I'm not going to 0:15:02.960 --> 0:15:07.440 go with into their ideas, but it's that is what 0:15:07.640 --> 0:15:12.200 being woke is today, that you embrace progressive ideas. Now 0:15:12.200 --> 0:15:13.640 they want to go far their robes, and I didn't 0:15:13.640 --> 0:15:17.840 want to get into that. But the idea of you're 0:15:17.880 --> 0:15:23.880 actually embracing an ideology that suggests that America is systemically 0:15:24.000 --> 0:15:30.040 racist in many of its facets of society has been, 0:15:30.280 --> 0:15:32.400 and that black folks and people of color adding a 0:15:32.520 --> 0:15:36.560 disadvantage from white people. If you believe that you are 0:15:36.640 --> 0:15:39.840 wrong and you are woke, and you're embracing an ideology 0:15:39.880 --> 0:15:42.000 that is wrong. There are many people who do want 0:15:42.040 --> 0:15:44.880 to view this country as one that is completely fair 0:15:44.920 --> 0:15:47.880 to all sides, and there are no advantages if you 0:15:47.960 --> 0:15:51.320 are white and if you believe that you are woke 0:15:51.680 --> 0:15:55.800 and you are wrong. That is the definition. But there 0:15:55.920 --> 0:15:59.640 is another one, folks, that black folks have had for 0:15:59.680 --> 0:16:03.560 the world. It's much different, and it goes back over 0:16:03.640 --> 0:16:16.720 one hundred years. We continue now, folks, Robac and I 0:16:16.920 --> 0:16:18.560 here we gave you a minute you had a little 0:16:18.560 --> 0:16:21.040 break there. Did you come up with a definition of woke? 0:16:22.240 --> 0:16:24.960 There is another definition of woke Roabes, and it goes 0:16:25.040 --> 0:16:27.720 back some one hundred plus years. And I said, the 0:16:27.760 --> 0:16:32.720 way I have heard and used woke up until about 0:16:32.720 --> 0:16:35.720 ten years ago was all the time, you need to 0:16:35.720 --> 0:16:38.320 wake up, you need to be aware. You ain't woke, 0:16:38.560 --> 0:16:41.640 You ain't on this. It was a negative if you weren't. 0:16:41.960 --> 0:16:44.880 I've been in environments where if I wasn't aware of 0:16:44.880 --> 0:16:48.440 something going on, I was looked at and called out 0:16:48.520 --> 0:16:51.640 for not being woke. How can you not know this? 0:16:51.720 --> 0:16:55.000 How can you not be aware of this? That's how 0:16:55.040 --> 0:16:57.200 it was used against me. You remember I had a 0:16:57.240 --> 0:17:01.840 show with a black TV network. That show was called 0:17:02.320 --> 0:17:08.080 Don't Sleep. And I remember the executive at the time, 0:17:08.119 --> 0:17:09.640 we were trying to figure out what we should call 0:17:09.640 --> 0:17:12.959 the show. All these meetings went out he and it 0:17:13.000 --> 0:17:17.080 was a play on being woke. Don't Sleep. 0:17:17.280 --> 0:17:20.080 So I knew you were on that show. And I 0:17:20.200 --> 0:17:24.439 thought the name don't Sleep was used because it was 0:17:24.520 --> 0:17:24.960 late night. 0:17:26.359 --> 0:17:28.400 It was a play on that. But no, the idea 0:17:28.520 --> 0:17:30.600 is don't sleep. We're going to tell you what you 0:17:30.640 --> 0:17:32.359 need to be aware of. You need to be up on. 0:17:32.560 --> 0:17:33.080 Don't sleep. 0:17:33.240 --> 0:17:35.800 It's about you gotta be aware. Yeah, and I'm asking 0:17:35.880 --> 0:17:37.960 a question as a white girl, as a white person, 0:17:38.680 --> 0:17:43.160 the point being if you're asleep, it could be dangerous. Yes, 0:17:44.040 --> 0:17:44.720 that was. 0:17:44.640 --> 0:17:48.560 The origin of it. It was a warning you need 0:17:48.600 --> 0:17:50.920 to be aware of what's around you. In particular, we're 0:17:50.920 --> 0:17:53.840 going to get into it here in the South where 0:17:53.880 --> 0:17:57.600 some boys were actually falsely accused of doing something and 0:17:57.680 --> 0:18:00.560 ended up on trial and convicted of a crime they 0:18:00.560 --> 0:18:04.119 did not commit because they weren't aware of their surroundings. 0:18:04.160 --> 0:18:05.960 If you will, you wait, you and in Mississippi, you 0:18:06.000 --> 0:18:08.040 and Alabama, you don't know. We need to be woke, 0:18:08.119 --> 0:18:10.359 You need to be away in that crazy Yes, because 0:18:10.400 --> 0:18:14.800 that word and that thing is now being stolen, co 0:18:14.920 --> 0:18:18.800 opted by somebody else, and it's not ours anymore, at 0:18:18.880 --> 0:18:21.600 least in the public conversation. Because there's no way I 0:18:21.600 --> 0:18:23.200 should be going down there and talking to those three 0:18:23.200 --> 0:18:26.360 white kids and the only thing on their mind. Yeah, 0:18:26.400 --> 0:18:29.400 woke is a negative. That's terrible, it's bad. That shouldn't 0:18:29.440 --> 0:18:32.240 be the case. That means we are losing that. 0:18:32.320 --> 0:18:35.879 Battle, my goodness. Yes, because when you go back and 0:18:35.920 --> 0:18:39.399 look at what the origins are I It makes sense 0:18:39.480 --> 0:18:42.800 now that I know, but I was shocked at how 0:18:42.840 --> 0:18:46.359 much I didn't know. And I mean, look, you, we've 0:18:46.400 --> 0:18:48.480 talked about this a lot. Your head is always on 0:18:48.520 --> 0:18:51.679 a swivel, and it always was a little perplexing to me. 0:18:52.119 --> 0:18:54.280 I understood recently why your head was on a swivel 0:18:54.320 --> 0:18:56.479 because there were people who were trying to take our 0:18:56.520 --> 0:18:58.680 pictures and all of that, but I never really thought 0:18:58.680 --> 0:19:02.280 about it historically from the perspective of who you are 0:19:03.320 --> 0:19:06.080 as a black man, how you were raised, what you 0:19:06.080 --> 0:19:10.040 were taught, what you needed to know, and what you 0:19:10.160 --> 0:19:17.000 needed to do to be safe. And I never I 0:19:17.160 --> 0:19:19.680 never put two and two together because I've never had 0:19:19.680 --> 0:19:22.399 that experience as a woman. I've had other things, but nothing, nothing, 0:19:22.440 --> 0:19:26.240 nothing compared to what I see you do each and 0:19:26.280 --> 0:19:29.720 every day. And understanding that word now woke and understanding 0:19:29.760 --> 0:19:32.720 you a little bit better by doing this research. It's 0:19:33.000 --> 0:19:35.800 it's mind blowing to me how much I don't know 0:19:35.960 --> 0:19:38.679 and how much I haven't had to experience in the 0:19:38.720 --> 0:19:41.640 same way or in any only in a very small way. 0:19:42.160 --> 0:19:45.119 And it makes sense now, but it also is just 0:19:45.720 --> 0:19:48.160 incredibly gutting to me that not only has the word 0:19:48.200 --> 0:19:52.120 been stolen and used politically, but it's being used against 0:19:52.600 --> 0:19:59.080 the cause, against everything that your community has desperately tried 0:19:59.119 --> 0:19:59.959 to protect itself from. 0:20:00.320 --> 0:20:02.680 White folks always do this to us. I said that 0:20:02.800 --> 0:20:07.560 somewhat jokingly, but white power. That phrase that scares the 0:20:07.560 --> 0:20:10.080 hell out of you came from black power. It was 0:20:10.160 --> 0:20:13.159 taken from us. It was something that was a rallying 0:20:13.200 --> 0:20:17.560 cry of black power, black lives matter, that was taken 0:20:17.560 --> 0:20:20.879 from us. The same thing happened in this messaging and 0:20:20.960 --> 0:20:24.000 language to where black lives matter became a negative. All 0:20:24.080 --> 0:20:26.840 lives matter, Blue lives matter, So if you say black 0:20:26.880 --> 0:20:31.480 lives matter, it was seen as a negative. These things happen, 0:20:32.080 --> 0:20:34.600 and they have happened to us plenty, and once again 0:20:34.640 --> 0:20:36.480 the idea of woke. So we're gonna go back to 0:20:36.560 --> 0:20:39.040 nineteen twenty three Marcus Garvey. Did you know that name? 0:20:39.080 --> 0:20:43.960 You may have, but he was a black nationalist, Jamaican 0:20:44.160 --> 0:20:47.080 brother who was on this idea of black folks here 0:20:47.080 --> 0:20:50.000 in America need to go back actually to Africa. But 0:20:50.080 --> 0:20:54.560 he is considered a hero of the movement. But he 0:20:54.760 --> 0:20:57.520 was one who so many years ago started using the 0:20:57.520 --> 0:21:00.480 phrase again. Nineteen twenty three is the first time he 0:21:00.680 --> 0:21:03.800 is attributed with saying it, but he was saying, wake 0:21:03.920 --> 0:21:09.000 up Ethiopia, wake up Africa. He was trying to it 0:21:09.040 --> 0:21:11.080 was a rallying cry. But that was one of the 0:21:11.119 --> 0:21:14.160 earliest times we heard people use so nineteen twenty three, 0:21:14.200 --> 0:21:17.320 Marcus Garvey a rallying cry for black folks. Today it's 0:21:17.320 --> 0:21:18.080 a total negative. 0:21:20.160 --> 0:21:22.880 I wonder what Marcus Garvey would be thinking right now. 0:21:22.920 --> 0:21:25.119 I mean what I say, he's turning over in his grave. 0:21:25.240 --> 0:21:28.440 But could he have even imagined maybe he could have baby? 0:21:28.440 --> 0:21:31.200 He's like, yeah, that sounds about right. He probably would 0:21:31.320 --> 0:21:38.080 say that. Eh, figures I could have predicted that one. 0:21:36.800 --> 0:21:39.600 Sounds about right the next one. Though, we go from 0:21:39.640 --> 0:21:41.879 nineteen twenty three to nineteen thirty eight, this is the 0:21:41.920 --> 0:21:45.760 first time, is believe this word woke appeared in a song. 0:21:45.880 --> 0:21:49.399 The song is called Scottsboro Boys. Now most of you 0:21:49.440 --> 0:21:51.760 probably never heard of it, but it plays a significant 0:21:51.800 --> 0:21:54.760 role because at the end of it, the singer led 0:21:54.800 --> 0:21:58.240 Belly goes his name, but he was speaking at the 0:21:58.359 --> 0:22:03.680 end and he's said, I advise everybody to be careful 0:22:04.160 --> 0:22:08.040 when they go down there, stay woke, keep your eyes open. 0:22:08.520 --> 0:22:11.720 The reference there was to these Scottsboro boys who had 0:22:11.760 --> 0:22:19.600 been charged falsely with raping two white girls, and he 0:22:19.720 --> 0:22:22.679 was speaking to them in this song, Scottsboro boys, be 0:22:22.720 --> 0:22:24.560 careful when you go down there, stay woke, keep your 0:22:24.560 --> 0:22:25.040 eyes open. 0:22:25.119 --> 0:22:30.479 It's well from what I understand, these boys were literally 0:22:30.520 --> 0:22:32.680 just on a train that happened to also have white 0:22:32.720 --> 0:22:37.040 women on it, and they couldn't They didn't realize that 0:22:37.080 --> 0:22:40.080 they were in danger or that they could stand to 0:22:40.119 --> 0:22:44.199 be accused of something just being in the presence of 0:22:44.240 --> 0:22:44.760 white women. 0:22:46.359 --> 0:22:50.400 Think about that, folks, stay woke. As you hear Governor 0:22:50.640 --> 0:22:55.200 DeSantis telling everybody, this is Florida's where woke goes to 0:22:55.280 --> 0:22:58.840 die and saying it's such a negative that this was 0:22:58.880 --> 0:23:04.320 a warning to black boys who ended up charged with 0:23:04.400 --> 0:23:08.919 a crime they didn't commit because they didn't heed the 0:23:09.000 --> 0:23:13.040 warning to stay woke, stay aware. It's all this was. 0:23:13.080 --> 0:23:13.320 You go. 0:23:13.359 --> 0:23:16.400