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Speaker 1: Hey, their folks sit. It's Tuesday, August the fifth. I

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Speaker 1: got a question for you. Do you consider yourself woke?

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Speaker 1: And do you consider woke a good thing or a

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Speaker 1: bad thing? In fact, is it an insult or a compliment?

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Speaker 1: If somebody says you're woke? Actually, let's go back a bit.

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Speaker 1: Do you even know what it means to be woke?

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Speaker 1: And with that, welcome to this very woke edition of

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Speaker 1: Amy and TJ Rope. Somebody calls you woke, you immediately

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Speaker 1: take that as what instinctively.

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Speaker 2: I would instinctively take it as a compliment. I'm aware

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Speaker 2: that I am interested in things outside of my world

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Speaker 2: and my lens that I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: Even with all that we hear about woke these days,

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Speaker 1: you still would hear it and take it as a compliment.

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Speaker 2: Well, it depends on who was saying it and why

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Speaker 2: they were saying it. Yeah, that would be an important nuance.

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Speaker 2: But I do think generally speaking, I would consider someone

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Speaker 2: who is woke someone who is has been awakened, who

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Speaker 2: recognizes that you don't know what you don't know, and

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Speaker 2: that there are other people and other cultures and other

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Speaker 2: just issues that maybe you don't consider that you've now recognized.

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Speaker 2: So I guess in my head it's like it's a

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Speaker 2: cultural awakening, it's a that's kind of how I would

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Speaker 2: look at it. I understand it's thrown around in certain

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Speaker 2: ways now politically that are intended to be insulting. I

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Speaker 2: get that, But I still think, how is it a

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Speaker 2: bad thing to wake up to recognize, even if it's

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Speaker 2: what you don't know, How is that a bad thing?

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Speaker 1: Oh, it's not a bad thing. Obviously, the word has

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Speaker 1: been stolen, it's been co opted. It's been taken from us,

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Speaker 1: I should say those of us, in particular the black community.

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Speaker 1: It's been taken by and let's be specific, politicians, Republican politicians,

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Speaker 1: because I don't even feel like black folks have control

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Speaker 1: almost an insult. If somebody considered you not to be woke,

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Speaker 1: that's not where we are anymore. The word is such,

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Speaker 1: it is thrown around as DII and it just it's

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Speaker 1: all negative. And this came up Rover. It's probably daily,

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Speaker 1: is it not that we end up doing a morning ryme,

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Speaker 1: done it on the podcast in just a moment, are

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Speaker 1: certainly saying to you like, I'm so sick of this,

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Speaker 1: I'm so sick of hearing the word woke. We should

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Speaker 1: do something on it one day, And we finally got

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Speaker 1: here because actually was Trump that got us to this

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Speaker 1: the Sidney Sweeney ad. We're still talking about that thing,

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Speaker 1: but that has people are celebrating that as being anti woke.

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Speaker 2: Which is I think assigning something to it that I

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Speaker 2: it to then push this messaging out that yes, white

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Speaker 1: Anti woke is pro white, anti wokeness is anti blackness.

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Speaker 1: We can say this all day long, and we are

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Speaker 2: It's an insult, which is crazy because so you've been

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Speaker 1: Just drives me crazy that anytime it comes up, it's

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Speaker 1: And I don't look, but it's not like all these

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Speaker 1: is now where the Sidney Sweeney ad. I don't think

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Speaker 2: Oh god no, And I'm telling you right now, it

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Speaker 1: Yeah. It what set us off today talking about woke

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Speaker 1: Was it the d D didn't they change? They took

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Speaker 2: I wonder what Marcus Garvey would be thinking right now.

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Speaker 1: Think about that, folks, stay woke. As you hear Governor

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Speaker 2: That article was fascinating, and you can google it and

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Speaker 1: If You're Woke, You dig It. I beg you all

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Speaker 1: to go check that thing out. I think it should

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Speaker 1: be required reading. If you were going to be engaged

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Speaker 1: in politics these days, you should read that, because woke

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Speaker 1: is everywhere, and unfortunately, I don't think most people uttering

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Speaker 1: it have any idea.

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Speaker 2: Oh they don't, they do not can I can speak

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Speaker 2: for all of those people we did not know, We

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Speaker 2: don't know.

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Speaker 1: I speak for the whites. But then in two thousand

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Speaker 1: and eight, this was when it became I guess it

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Speaker 1: was just a good song master teacher by Erica Bad

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Speaker 1: and it was repetitive in there. Woke, woke, woke was

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Speaker 1: said a whole bunch in there. But then in twenty

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Speaker 1: fourteen Rogues, when finally Michael Brown and Ferguson was killed,

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Speaker 1: that's when it became more a part of a modern

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Speaker 1: day rallying cry. With so much we were seeing.

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Speaker 2: And the Black Lives Matter movement also around that time

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Speaker 2: as well, But it was it was interesting because it

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Speaker 2: was Erica Badou who said at this point after that song,

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Speaker 2: she said, you can go ahead and replace welk with black.

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Speaker 2: And so when you're saying what you're saying, just imagine

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Speaker 2: if you said black instead of woke, because that's what

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Speaker 2: it feels like to us each and every time you

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Speaker 2: say something. And that really stood out to me.

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Speaker 1: That's a great way to put it. And that's how

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Speaker 1: I feel every time I see somebody standing at a

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Speaker 1: podium saying anti woke or woke agenda's bad, or we

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Speaker 1: won't cater to this woke agenda. It's not the right.

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Speaker 1: I understand politics as politics, but this one it feels

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Speaker 1: personal and it feels like an insult, and it doesn't

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Speaker 1: feel inclusive in the least bit. Look, plenty of things

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Speaker 1: don't feel inclusive, but this is you're looking in my

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Speaker 1: face and announcing we don't want you here, We don't

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Speaker 1: want you to be a part of this. You are

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Speaker 1: not a part of this. And even our products now

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Speaker 1: we're not even going to pretend like we want you

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Speaker 1: to use. We don't even want you to be a

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Speaker 1: customer of ours that it's just it's starting to fit.

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Speaker 1: It feels awful.

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Speaker 2: Do you feel like I have a question for you.

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Speaker 2: You that the woke the anti woke campaign, do you

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Speaker 2: feel like it was more directed or seems to have

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Speaker 2: gotten more legs based on the LGBTQ plus community, that

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Speaker 2: that's when it really rose to another level. When you're

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Speaker 2: talking about trans rights and you're talking about bathrooms and

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Speaker 2: who get like. I feel like that's when it really

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Speaker 2: took on a whole other level. And it wasn't even

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Speaker 2: about the black community, which is another slap in the

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Speaker 2: face in a way.

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Speaker 1: Anything progressive, anything that's not the norm, and the norm

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Speaker 1: is to some all American, white, conservative, heterosexual and if

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Speaker 1: it's not that, then it's not really America. I don't

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Speaker 1: owe your question again there.

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Speaker 2: Well, my question was do you think that it even

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Speaker 2: took on a whole other level with the LGBTQ plus community.

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Speaker 1: I say that, I say yes, just because it gave

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Speaker 1: folks another target. We have another option. First, we were just

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Speaker 1: talking about you black folks. Now we can talk about

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Speaker 1: you folks over here and you folks over here. Now

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Speaker 1: we just got more groups we can we can actually

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Speaker 1: discriminate against if you will. I think that just gave

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Speaker 1: them another talking point and another agenda, and another and

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Speaker 1: another way to divide us to win elections. To be honest,

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Speaker 1: I think that's really all that wasn't just I do.

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Speaker 1: This is not about politicians. This is not about a

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Speaker 1: political issue. This is not us trying to get you

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Speaker 1: to go this way or that way. It's just trying

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Speaker 1: to get folks to be a little more aware of

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Speaker 1: what you're hearing, what's being said to you, where it

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Speaker 1: comes from, why, and just and make your own call

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Speaker 1: about how you use that word, when you use that word,

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Speaker 1: and how you feel when you actually hear it. It's

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Speaker 1: not an insult to be woke, folks, It's just not God.

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Speaker 2: No, I hope that that actually I mean, I feel

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Speaker 2: like that resonates. Why would it ever be a bad

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Speaker 2: thing to not be asleep at the wheel, to be awake,

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Speaker 2: to understand, to do the research to understand history. There's

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Speaker 2: a reason why we have history classes. The problem is

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Speaker 2: we're not taught history. We're taught white history. We're taught

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Speaker 2: very specific history. We're not given the full breadth of

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Speaker 2: what and how we got to where we are.

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Speaker 1: We didn't even mention the Stop Woke Act in Florida. Florida,

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Speaker 1: they literally have passed a law to keep folks from

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Speaker 1: learning about some of this stuff, some diversity, because they

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Speaker 1: think if you learn about how the country started, then

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Speaker 1: the little white kid that's six years old now is

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Speaker 1: going to think he's privileged.

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Speaker 2: Or he's or he's a bad person because people who

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Speaker 2: came before him are pressed.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I just I don't. It just drives me crazy,

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Speaker 1: And I just hope folks that this came off the

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Speaker 1: way we wanted it to come off, which was just

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Speaker 1: to get you to think a little more about the

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Speaker 1: word when you hear it, and you're going to hear

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Speaker 1: it probably tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: Maybe even tonight in a tweet, in a truth social post.

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Speaker 2: But it is fascinating to understand the history of it,

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Speaker 2: to understand its origins, and to understand its actual meaning

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Speaker 2: versus how it's being used in politics today.

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Speaker 1: I was about to say, just I'm gonna leave it

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Speaker 1: though there's only one word I can think of. We

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Speaker 1: took from white folks that they had first. And with that, folks,

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Speaker 1: we always appreciate you taking a listen with us. I'm

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Speaker 1: CJ on the behalf of my pard n Amy robot,

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Speaker 1: who has a facing her.

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Speaker 2: Hands because I know the word yes that you're referencing.

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Speaker 1: We will, We'll see y'allsoo