WEBVTT - Episode 8: The Destroyer of Worlds

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<v Speaker 1>School of humans.

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<v Speaker 2>Deep in Peru's cloud forests, a stream of fog weaves

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<v Speaker 2>past tree trunks, mist blankets the undergrowth, filtering the sunlight

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<v Speaker 2>above and supplying moisture to the plants below. The result

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<v Speaker 2>is one of the most diverse ecosystems on the planet.

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<v Speaker 2>They are up to three thousand species of orchids here,

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<v Speaker 2>more than anywhere else in the world. The forest has

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<v Speaker 2>a way of seducing people, and in two thousand and

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<v Speaker 2>two the Sirens Lord James Michael Kovac to Peru. An

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<v Speaker 2>orchid enthusiast, Kovak flew there in search of the Holy Grail,

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<v Speaker 2>in search of flowers nobody could see anywhere else, And

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<v Speaker 2>one day, as he walked past a roadside flower vendor,

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<v Speaker 2>his heartly jumped out of his chest. It was a

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<v Speaker 2>Lady Slipper, a pinkish purple orchid with giant petals unfurling

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<v Speaker 2>like the wings of a butterfly. Kovak was mesmerized. He

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<v Speaker 2>began haggling with the shopkeeper, but they refused to budge.

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<v Speaker 2>The owners knew they had something special, so Kovak paid

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<v Speaker 2>the asking price three dollars and sixty cents. A week later,

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<v Speaker 2>Kovak had printed his boarding pass home, he slipped the

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<v Speaker 2>orchid into a cardboard tube and boarded a flight to

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<v Speaker 2>the United States. When he landed in Miami, customs officers

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<v Speaker 2>failed to stop him, so Kovak made his way to

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<v Speaker 2>Sarasota to the Marie Selby Botanical Gardens, home to one

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<v Speaker 2>of the most diverse orchid collections in the world. Kovak

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<v Speaker 2>brought the specimen in and watched the reactions. According to

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<v Speaker 2>journalist Craig Pittman's book The Scent of Scandal, the flower

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<v Speaker 2>sparked a simultaneous wave of eye widening and mouth opening.

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<v Speaker 2>Nobody bothered to ask if he had acquired it legally.

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<v Speaker 2>Shortly after, Selby published a scientific description of the new orchid,

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<v Speaker 2>They named it Fragmipedium kovakii. Then phone lines at the

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<v Speaker 2>US Fish and Wildlife Service started to buzz. It was Peru.

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<v Speaker 2>An American botanical garden, they claimed, was saying it quote

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<v Speaker 2>discovered an orchid that had been clearly smuggled out of Peru. Soon,

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<v Speaker 2>armed agents were knocking on Kovac's door. They confiscated his

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<v Speaker 2>papers and more than three hundred plants. Indictments streamed in

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<v Speaker 2>the gardens were fined for violating the endangered species Act,

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<v Speaker 2>the garden's orchid expert placed under house arrest. As part

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<v Speaker 2>of the punishment, the garden had to buy a full

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<v Speaker 2>page ad in a trade magazine apologizing a subtle message

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<v Speaker 2>to other institutions that they should learn from Selby's mistakes.

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<v Speaker 2>That was the dirty secret. In botany, this type of

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<v Speaker 2>low key smuggling was par for the course. In fact,

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<v Speaker 2>when activists tried to change the name of fragment pedium kovakia,

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<v Speaker 2>arguing it was wrong to name the plant after a

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<v Speaker 2>person who poached it, scientific authorities shrugged and did nothing. This,

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<v Speaker 2>they said, was too high a standard. If botany reclassified

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<v Speaker 2>every plant name for smugglers, poachers, and thieves, the entire

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<v Speaker 2>field would suffer quote major nomenclature instability. In Layman's terms,

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<v Speaker 2>it would throw the entire scientific field into turmoil. On

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<v Speaker 2>this podcast, we've explored the crimes of obsessed hobbyists, of

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<v Speaker 2>organized gangs, and even corrupt governments. But what about the

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<v Speaker 2>elephant in the room. What about when the places entrusted

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<v Speaker 2>to conserve plant life are committing the crimes. In this

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<v Speaker 2>last episode, when the worlds of policy and piracy collide,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm summer rain Oaks from school of Humans and iHeart podcasts,

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<v Speaker 2>This is bad Seeds. In the early two thousands, the

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<v Speaker 2>Selby scandal would divide orchid collectors. Some complain that this

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<v Speaker 2>was government overreach. Others wailed that it was about time

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<v Speaker 2>rich Western institutions had been taking credit for quote unquote

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<v Speaker 2>discovering plants that natives knew about for ages. But the

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<v Speaker 2>fight went far beyond claims of who got there first.

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<v Speaker 2>For many, the problem was the profit motive. Kovac told

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<v Speaker 2>investigators he planned to artificially propagate the smuggled flower and

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<v Speaker 2>mass and those are his words. He didn't express any

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<v Speaker 2>intention to share future profits with the people in Peru

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<v Speaker 2>who had actually discovered and were actively protecting the plant.

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<v Speaker 2>In Botany, this kind of behavior, smuggling a plant and

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<v Speaker 2>then getting rich off its mass production, conjures a painful past,

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<v Speaker 2>especially in South America.

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<v Speaker 3>You start to hear them call Henry Wickham the Pirate

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<v Speaker 3>of the Amazon and the destroyer of worlds.

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<v Speaker 2>That's Joe Jackson. He's a writer.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm the author of At the End of the World.

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<v Speaker 2>And he's an expert on one of South America's most

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<v Speaker 2>reviled villains, an Englishman by the name of Henry Wickham.

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<v Speaker 3>He was born in eighteen forty six, had a comfortable

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<v Speaker 3>middle class upbringing until his father died in one of

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<v Speaker 3>the cholera epidemics in eighteen fifty five or eighteen fifty six.

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<v Speaker 3>And you know, back then you didn't have pensions, and

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<v Speaker 3>his mother had three kids. He had a dream in

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<v Speaker 3>drastic descent in class, and he had a spirit of adventure,

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<v Speaker 3>and he had a talent for art. And at that time,

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<v Speaker 3>if you were an adventurous boy in the British Empire,

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<v Speaker 3>you went out to the wild places and you explored,

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<v Speaker 3>and you wrote a book about your travels. And Henry

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<v Speaker 3>thought he was ready made for that. The explorers were

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<v Speaker 3>the astronauts of that generation, and Henry wanted to do that.

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<v Speaker 2>So Henry, desperate for both money and adventure, set out

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<v Speaker 2>into the world, spending his twenties exploring places like Belize

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<v Speaker 2>and Nicaragua, hoping the jungles would give him material for

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<v Speaker 2>books and maybe even change his family's fortunes.

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<v Speaker 3>He wasn't by science. He was driven by ambition. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>he kind of wanted to come back up in the

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<v Speaker 3>world from what he had lost.

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<v Speaker 2>He was ambitious, sometimes to his detriment. Henry was a

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<v Speaker 2>thoughtless explorer. Consider the time he brought his wife Violet

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<v Speaker 2>to the islands near Papua New Guinea.

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<v Speaker 3>There were still cannibal tribes and some of the islands

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<v Speaker 3>around there, and Henry was pretty impulsive, and some of

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<v Speaker 3>the natives had stolen a couple of his canoes, and

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<v Speaker 3>Henry got rene, and he took some of his workers

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<v Speaker 3>and he went paddling after them and left Violet on

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<v Speaker 3>that island for I don't know, like ten twelve days

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<v Speaker 3>like that, by herself, and she knew there were cannibals around.

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<v Speaker 2>Turns out that leaving your wife alone on an island

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<v Speaker 2>inhabited by cannibals not a great recipe for a happy marriage.

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<v Speaker 2>Violet ended up being okay, but their union not so much.

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<v Speaker 2>Henry's absent mindedness aside, his travels helped him become something

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<v Speaker 2>of an expert on rubber, and this was the eighteen seventies.

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<v Speaker 2>Rubber was big. Railroads, telegraph companies, bicycle manufacturers, hose and

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<v Speaker 2>gasket makers. All of them were starving for the stretchy stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>Rubber was a central component. Everything was steam driven, so

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<v Speaker 3>he had giant turbines. You had these giant pistons, you

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<v Speaker 3>had looms, steam powered looms, and you had the British

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<v Speaker 3>Empire's navy. And with all of these moving parts, you

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<v Speaker 3>needed oil. But you also needed rubber to cushion the blow.

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<v Speaker 2>Problem was there was only one place to get rubber,

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<v Speaker 2>the Amazon Basin. About ninety percent of the world's latex

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<v Speaker 2>came out of Brazil, and that demand, derived from the

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<v Speaker 2>poetry heavy at Braziliensis, was fueling a boom of wealth.

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<v Speaker 2>Entrepreneurs flooded Brazil, laying thousands of miles of railroad track

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<v Speaker 2>and erecting resplendent buildings sculpted from the finest European marble.

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<v Speaker 2>The British wanted in on it.

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<v Speaker 3>They needed to find some way of getting rubber from

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<v Speaker 3>the forests of Brazil to the British empires of.

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<v Speaker 2>Possession, and that's when they set eyes on Henry Wickham.

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<v Speaker 3>And the director of Q Garden guy by the name

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<v Speaker 3>of William Booker wrote to the council and said, find

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<v Speaker 3>me that guy. He knows something about rubber. So Henry

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<v Speaker 3>did not go to the Amazon thinking he was going

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<v Speaker 3>to be a secret agent for Q, but in a

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<v Speaker 3>way he became a secret agent for Q because Booker

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<v Speaker 3>Rhodehiman said, would you agree to be our agent and

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<v Speaker 3>bring as much rubber back as you possibly could?

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<v Speaker 2>I agreed. In eighteen seventy six, he paddled down the

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<v Speaker 2>Amazon River and moored his boat near the town of

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<v Speaker 2>Boeien by a grove of potter trees. There, Henry enlisted

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<v Speaker 2>a group of locals to help them collect more than

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<v Speaker 2>seventy thousand rubber seeds, wrapping them in banana leaves. When

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<v Speaker 2>it came time to leave the country, Brazilian officials asked

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<v Speaker 2>Henry if he had any seeds on him. He lied

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<v Speaker 2>and said he had some, but that they were academic specimens.

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<v Speaker 3>Said I've got some rubber seeds, and he paid the

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<v Speaker 3>tear of you know, about ten or twelve seeds. I

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<v Speaker 3>forget the exact number, but it was very low.

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<v Speaker 2>It was an undercount of say sixty nine nine ninety.

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<v Speaker 3>He saund off and he brought as seeds to Hugh Gardens,

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<v Speaker 3>and twelve percent of them survived.

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<v Speaker 2>British scientists grew the seeds and sent the surviving specimens

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<v Speaker 2>to the British Empire's colonies.

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<v Speaker 3>They eventually transferred them to vast plantations around Singapore and

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<v Speaker 3>malays and that became the British Rubber Empire.

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<v Speaker 2>The British Empire's rubber plantations, all grown from Henry's seeds,

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<v Speaker 2>would utterly destroy the trade in Brazil, and it.

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<v Speaker 3>Broke the back of Brazil's rubber empire in one year,

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<v Speaker 3>which is pretty dramatic.

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<v Speaker 2>In the eighteen seventies, the South American country controlled the

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<v Speaker 2>world's rubber production. By the nineteen twenties it had all

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<v Speaker 2>slipped away. The dramatic boom and bust killed Brazil's economic

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<v Speaker 2>momentum with effects that are still felt today. In Britain,

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<v Speaker 2>Henry would be knighted, but Brazilians would give him a

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<v Speaker 2>much different title.

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<v Speaker 3>He was the devil incarnate. They hated him down in Brazil.

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<v Speaker 3>They thought he had raped the nation.

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<v Speaker 2>He'd be called the princip those ladros, the prince of thieves. Today,

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<v Speaker 2>botanists have another name for him, biopirate. Henry Wickham's theft

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<v Speaker 2>of those seeds would sap in calculable economic potential from

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<v Speaker 2>Brazil while enriching the leaders of British industry. But what

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<v Speaker 2>did his actions do for him?

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<v Speaker 3>The British Empire kind of padded him on the back

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<v Speaker 3>and paid him the equivalent of about seven hundred dollars

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<v Speaker 3>and said go on your way, buddy. And he felt

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<v Speaker 3>cheated pretty much for the rest of his life. And

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<v Speaker 3>what he did for the rest of his life was

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<v Speaker 3>basically try to find discover this next great wonder plant.

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<v Speaker 3>And he never really did. He never found anything that

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<v Speaker 3>was as quote miraculous as the rubber tree. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>It was kind of like some mythological character that kind

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<v Speaker 3>of wanders the world trying to replicate his early success.

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<v Speaker 2>If you search the annals of botany, if you look

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<v Speaker 2>at the names of great plant explorers, you discover more

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<v Speaker 2>and more people like Henry Wickham, people who today we'd

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<v Speaker 2>call poachers, traffickers and thieves, or as experts now call them, biopirates.

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<v Speaker 2>It's something of a theme. In twenty fourteen, the journalist

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<v Speaker 2>Sam Knight, writing for The Guardian, put it this way

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<v Speaker 2>quote one big problem with plant crime is that it

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<v Speaker 2>is so difficult to distinguish from the act of botany itself.

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<v Speaker 2>For decades, biopiracy was not the exception, but the rule.

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<v Speaker 2>Q Gardens paid Henry Wickham seven hundred pounds to steal,

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<v Speaker 2>mislabel and smuggle those rubber seeds out of Brazil. The

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<v Speaker 2>British East India Company asked the Scotsman Robert Fortune to

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<v Speaker 2>sneak into forbidden China and steal the country's tea making secrets.

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<v Speaker 2>The list goes on and on. In a way, the

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<v Speaker 2>study of botany was just an extension of empire, or,

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<v Speaker 2>in other words, exploitation, and most of these early day

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<v Speaker 2>biopirates felt little remorse. They had no problems stealing from

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<v Speaker 2>or talking down to native populations. In the words of

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<v Speaker 2>one nineteenth century botanist.

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<v Speaker 4>The Spanish Americas have accomplished nothing in the development of

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<v Speaker 4>the knowledge of their rome, floras and vegetable products.

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<v Speaker 1>The Anglo Saxon blood must originate and direct all exploitation

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<v Speaker 1>and development.

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<v Speaker 2>This, of course, couldn't have been further from the truth.

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<v Speaker 2>Take San Shona officionalis a leafy green shrub with starburst

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<v Speaker 2>blooms that grows across the Andean forest. For centuries, Peruvians

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<v Speaker 2>and Bolivians had used Saintchona bark to stop fever. They

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<v Speaker 2>were onto something. The plant contains quinine, an anti malarial.

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<v Speaker 2>Centuries after that discovery, a British alpaca farmer named Charles

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<v Speaker 2>Ledger caught wind of the bark's medicinal properties in the

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<v Speaker 2>eighteen sixties. He traveled through Peru and Bolivia and with

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<v Speaker 2>the help of his servant, a native named Manuel Incra Mammani,

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<v Speaker 2>he stole seeds, smuggled them to Europe and sold them

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<v Speaker 2>to the Dutch. The production and study of quinine soon exploded.

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<v Speaker 2>It would save millions of lives. And that is where

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<v Speaker 2>the ethics of biopiracy gets sort of Harry.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a real gray area in a lot of ways.

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<v Speaker 1>There's always two sides of this biopiracy thing. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a sovereign nation, seems like it should have a

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<v Speaker 1>right to the things that are found within its borders.

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<v Speaker 1>But then what the British Empire used when they were

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<v Speaker 1>taking the Tinjona tree for quini, and they said, well, look,

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<v Speaker 1>this is for the greater good of mankind. And that's

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<v Speaker 1>something that still is going.

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<v Speaker 2>On regardless of where you land on the issue of quinine.

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<v Speaker 2>This long history of biopiracy left many nations, especially those

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<v Speaker 2>in South America and Africa, feeling cheated, and it wouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>be addressed by the international stage until the early nineteen nineties.

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<v Speaker 5>In Rio de Chenaier you had a the nineteen ninety

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<v Speaker 5>two Earth Summit, the first summit that basically came up

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<v Speaker 5>with international regulations against biopiracy.

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<v Speaker 2>That year, an international treaty was signed, the rules for

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<v Speaker 2>which are pretty simple. If a country is home to

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<v Speaker 2>a genetic resource, for instance, a rare or unique plant

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<v Speaker 2>like rubber, then that country is entitled to benefit financially

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<v Speaker 2>from any profits when the plant is sold elsewhere. It's

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<v Speaker 2>essentially a thank you for keeping and protecting the plant

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<v Speaker 2>over the past few centuries. The same goes for a

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<v Speaker 2>traditional knowledge. If a pharmaceutical company learns about a plant's

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<v Speaker 2>medicinal benefits thanks to indigenous knowledge, then locals deserve some

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<v Speaker 2>financial compensation when the profits roll in. In other words,

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<v Speaker 2>it's about giving credit where credit is due. Despite these efforts,

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<v Speaker 2>biopiracy remains what Jackson calls a rancrous issue, especially as

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<v Speaker 2>corporations get bigger and bigger.

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<v Speaker 1>You still have that kind of sovereign rights versus the

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<v Speaker 1>greater good, that kind of pushing pool that is part

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<v Speaker 1>of the argument, that's part of the exchange. People don't

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<v Speaker 1>really believe in empire right now, Government empires aren't so big,

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<v Speaker 1>but I mean private are a big deal.

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<v Speaker 2>In the US, corporations can patent a plant, new breeds

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<v Speaker 2>can be protected by intellectual property law, and this has

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<v Speaker 2>gotten some folks in trouble. In nineteen ninety five, the

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<v Speaker 2>US Patent Office granted scientists a patent for turmeric, also

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<v Speaker 2>known as kurkuma longa, because it could be used for

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<v Speaker 2>wound healing. Of course, over in India, locals had known

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<v Speaker 2>this for centuries, if not thousands of years. A couple

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<v Speaker 2>years later, a Texas company tried to patent basmati rice,

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<v Speaker 2>a decision that, to put it lightly, made a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of farmers in India very angry. And the treaty itself,

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<v Speaker 2>even though it's prevented a lot of exploitation and theft,

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<v Speaker 2>has its downsides because as it's gotten harder to export

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<v Speaker 2>and study some plants, they've only gotten rarer and more endangered.

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<v Speaker 1>By the time I wrote a book and talked to

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<v Speaker 1>some dis botanists and then demoloed it would go down

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<v Speaker 1>to the Amazon and study these things. Is said. You

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<v Speaker 1>go down there and you're the villain. You don't know

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<v Speaker 1>whether or not you're going to be called a biopirate.

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<v Speaker 1>Even after you've jumped through all the hoops and paint

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<v Speaker 1>all of the fees at the airport, they might decide

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<v Speaker 1>that you're trying to steal from them, and they'll sequester

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<v Speaker 1>you for a long time.

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<v Speaker 3>All of you or specimens will die.

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<v Speaker 2>The ability to patent plants in the US has also

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<v Speaker 2>made it a huge target of foreign biopirates. It's twenty

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<v Speaker 2>eleven and a field manager working at DuPont Pioneer is

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<v Speaker 2>peering across a cornfield when he notices an Asian man

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<v Speaker 2>crouched over a row of maize sifting through the dirt.

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<v Speaker 2>Now this isn't just any old cornfield. This is a

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<v Speaker 2>grower field, a place where agricultural companies test news strains

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<v Speaker 2>of veggies, ones that could be more resistant to disease

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<v Speaker 2>and famine. In other words, exactly the kind of plants

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<v Speaker 2>a foreign nation might want to steal and replicate. The

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<v Speaker 2>manager drives over to the visitor and confronts him. The

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<v Speaker 2>man named Mo looks startled. He explains he worked for

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<v Speaker 2>a university, but he doesn't go into any more detail. Instead,

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<v Speaker 2>he quickly gets in his car and speeds away, the

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<v Speaker 2>field manager notifies the FBI. Turns out the FBI is

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<v Speaker 2>already on Moe's tail. Mo Hi Loong has been sneaking

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<v Speaker 2>through the cornfields of Illinois, Indiana, and Iowa with a

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<v Speaker 2>crew of accomplices, stealing ears of corn, rooting up seedlings.

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<v Speaker 2>The FBI discovers that Moe works for a Chinese agricultural company,

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<v Speaker 2>and he's been targeting cornfields owned by American corporation. His

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<v Speaker 2>goal to unlock the trade secrets buried in the DNA

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<v Speaker 2>of various new GMO corn. If he can steal the seeds,

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<v Speaker 2>his employer can reverse engineer the plant to skip years

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<v Speaker 2>of expensive biotech research required to create new strains. Mo

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<v Speaker 2>and his accomplices would later be caught trying to ship

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<v Speaker 2>two hundred and fifty pounds of stolen corn seed to China,

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<v Speaker 2>hiding hundreds of small samples in envelopes of microwave popcorn.

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<v Speaker 2>The trade secrets hidden in those seeds were worth at

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<v Speaker 2>least thirty million dollars. After police caught up with him,

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<v Speaker 2>Mo would be sentenced to three years in prison, a

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<v Speaker 2>pretty light sentence for a biopirate all things considered, because

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<v Speaker 2>remember that story about Charles Ledger, the guy who's sticky

0:21:51.720 --> 0:21:55.240
<v Speaker 2>fingers helped launch the world quinine biz. You may recall

0:21:55.320 --> 0:21:58.320
<v Speaker 2>he had help from a native, a guy named Manuel Kramamani.

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<v Speaker 2>While in Europe, Ledger was celebrated as a hero, but

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<v Speaker 2>in gram Amani Back home, locals soon learned what he

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<v Speaker 2>had done, and he'd be arrested, beaten, tortured, and then killed.

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<v Speaker 2>The difference between a smuggler and a saint, between a

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<v Speaker 2>backstabber and a lifesaver, may merely depend on whether you

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<v Speaker 2>live in the nation that was pilfered or the one

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<v Speaker 2>that profited. But where there are people willing to kill

0:22:29.320 --> 0:22:32.399
<v Speaker 2>for a plant, there are others who are willing to

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<v Speaker 2>die for one. Their story when we return Leningrad nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>forty three, Nazi Germany invaded the Soviet Union with a plan.

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<v Speaker 2>First they would surround Leningrad, Then they'd cut off the

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<v Speaker 2>city's supply routes, and then finally they'd starved the population

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<v Speaker 2>into submission. The goal, according to a high level memo,

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<v Speaker 2>was to quote wipe Leningrad from the face of the earth.

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<v Speaker 2>For months, Germans dropped bombs onto Leningrad's hospitals and homes.

0:23:16.880 --> 0:23:21.480
<v Speaker 2>The Luftwaffa zeroed in on the food depots and markets. Meanwhile,

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<v Speaker 2>Axis troops looted the cities famously ornate palaces, transforming them

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<v Speaker 2>into smoldering heaps of ash. Leningrad became a tomb. Michael Wahlzer,

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<v Speaker 2>a political theorist, claims quote more civilians died in the

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<v Speaker 2>Siege of Leningrad than in the modernists infernos of Hamburg, Dresden, Tokyo, Hiroshima,

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<v Speaker 2>and Nagasaki taken together. But the Red Army punched back.

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<v Speaker 2>Snipers lurked in the rubble, hid in the bell towers,

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<v Speaker 2>and burrowed under bodies. A chorus of anti aircraft weapons

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<v Speaker 2>boomed day and night. Millions of ordinary people who did

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<v Speaker 2>not or could not evacuate, stretched their bread rations by

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<v Speaker 2>substituting flour with sawdust, and in the center of town,

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<v Speaker 2>a team of botanists made a decision that would change

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<v Speaker 2>the course of world history forever. In nineteen forty three,

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<v Speaker 2>Leningrad housed one of the world's largest seed banks. Established

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<v Speaker 2>two decades earlier, the institute was at the forefront of

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<v Speaker 2>a new type of botany. Not as a haven for

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<v Speaker 2>biopirates or greedy monarchs, but a new botany for the

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<v Speaker 2>good of the world. In Leningrad, scientists used a vast

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<v Speaker 2>collection of seeds to study plant immunity, pathology, and cultivation.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a library designed to preserve and protect the

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<v Speaker 2>plant world's genetic story, a repository and intensive care unit

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<v Speaker 2>for some of the planet's rarest and most endangered species.

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<v Speaker 2>As the neighborhood around the institute crumbled, dozens of botanists

0:25:07.480 --> 0:25:11.040
<v Speaker 2>working inside risked their lives to keep those seeds safe.

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<v Speaker 2>But bombs and mortar fire were the least of the

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<v Speaker 2>botanist's worries. Their greatest enemy was their own hunger. To

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<v Speaker 2>preserve the seeds, the botanists had to keep the collections warm.

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<v Speaker 2>With electricity destroyed and the brutal Russian winter barreling in,

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<v Speaker 2>the scientists scoured the charred rubble of their beloved city,

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<v Speaker 2>burning any scraps to keep the collection alive. Then the

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<v Speaker 2>ice swept in. With the cold came mass starvation. Up

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<v Speaker 2>to one hundred thousand people began dying every month. Even

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<v Speaker 2>the rats began to show the rib cages inside the

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<v Speaker 2>seed bank. The botanists, grappling with their own hunger, faced

0:26:06.880 --> 0:26:14.119
<v Speaker 2>an unrelenting temptation. They had access to rice, wheat, peas, oats, corn,

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<v Speaker 2>the work courses of agriculture, and yet each scientist, despite

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<v Speaker 2>growing increasingly hungry, refused to tap into the collection to

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<v Speaker 2>save themselves. One by one, the botanists starved. According to

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<v Speaker 2>The Washington Post, the first was Alexander Stutkin, a peanut expert.

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<v Speaker 2>He collapsed at his desk. Then it was the institute's

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<v Speaker 2>rice specialist, and then another and another. Eating the seeds

0:26:50.880 --> 0:26:54.920
<v Speaker 2>could have saved their lives, but each scientist had made

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<v Speaker 2>a choice. They refused to grow or eat the seeds

0:26:59.119 --> 0:27:02.600
<v Speaker 2>because doing so would have destroyed the future they had

0:27:02.640 --> 0:27:07.520
<v Speaker 2>worked toward. The Siege of Leningrad lasted eight hundred and

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<v Speaker 2>seventy two days. Over that time, at least nine botanists

0:27:13.280 --> 0:27:24.560
<v Speaker 2>starved to death, but the seeds survived. Years later, those

0:27:24.640 --> 0:27:27.879
<v Speaker 2>same seeds would be crossbread to produce crops used around

0:27:27.880 --> 0:27:32.000
<v Speaker 2>the world today. You and I have definitely eaten food

0:27:32.359 --> 0:27:37.240
<v Speaker 2>descended from those Leningrad seeds. In a world of biopirates,

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<v Speaker 2>these botanists were something different. What journalist Boyce Rensburger called

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<v Speaker 2>the first martyrs for biodiversity, and that's where we want

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<v Speaker 2>to end this podcast by focusing not on the thieves,

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<v Speaker 2>the crooks, and the corruption. We want to end by

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<v Speaker 2>shining a light on the people making huge sacrifices right

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<v Speaker 2>now to save us. In the nineteen forties, the Leningrad

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<v Speaker 2>Seed Bank was a novelty, but today there are approximately

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<v Speaker 2>seventeen hundred seed banks across the globe.

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<v Speaker 4>My name's Eleanor Braman, and I work at the Millennium

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<v Speaker 4>Seed Bank at the roeb Botanic Gardens Queue.

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<v Speaker 2>The Millennium Seed Bank program is the largest conservation resource

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<v Speaker 2>in the world. If there's any place to find hope

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<v Speaker 2>in the future, it's here.

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<v Speaker 4>Since two thousand, we've worked with ninety seven different countries

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<v Speaker 4>and territories to help conserve their native flora. It sounds

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<v Speaker 4>deceptively simple. You just say, well, you just go out

0:28:41.720 --> 0:28:44.080
<v Speaker 4>and you collect some seeds, and then we dry them

0:28:44.080 --> 0:28:44.720
<v Speaker 4>and freeze them.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, it's a little more involved than that. The

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<v Speaker 2>Millennium Seed Bank is the kind of place that would

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<v Speaker 2>make a Doomsday prepper drool.

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<v Speaker 4>The vaulte underground is actually within half a meter thick

0:28:57.120 --> 0:29:00.760
<v Speaker 4>reinforced concrete, so we're near an international air The idea

0:29:00.960 --> 0:29:03.680
<v Speaker 4>was it could withstand a plane going down. We've also

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<v Speaker 4>got radiation detection which would cut off a supply to

0:29:07.000 --> 0:29:09.880
<v Speaker 4>the vault if radiation was detected, and we have a

0:29:09.920 --> 0:29:14.080
<v Speaker 4>flood protection mechanism, and we have backup generators, and we

0:29:14.160 --> 0:29:15.560
<v Speaker 4>have some solar power.

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<v Speaker 2>And protected in these underground vaults are seeds. Lots and

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<v Speaker 2>lots of seeds.

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<v Speaker 4>So we've currently got six walking cold rooms that are active,

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<v Speaker 4>four of those are full, and we've got space for

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<v Speaker 4>formal We've currently got forty thousand species held in our vault.

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<v Speaker 2>Forty thousand species, or at the moment, around fifteen percent

0:29:41.640 --> 0:29:45.520
<v Speaker 2>of the world's plants, all being saved for the future

0:29:46.160 --> 0:29:47.200
<v Speaker 2>and emergencies.

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<v Speaker 4>We are a real bank in that sense. We save things,

0:29:50.960 --> 0:29:53.000
<v Speaker 4>we hold it for a rainy day, but you can

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<v Speaker 4>withdraw seeds at any time.

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<v Speaker 2>And Millennium is not alone. Many countries have their own

0:30:00.800 --> 0:30:04.480
<v Speaker 2>networks of seed banks. In the United States, there's a

0:30:04.600 --> 0:30:08.720
<v Speaker 2>National Plant Germplasm System full of cryo preserved seeds in

0:30:08.760 --> 0:30:13.640
<v Speaker 2>Fort Collins, Colorado. Cherokee Nation has its own seed vault,

0:30:14.320 --> 0:30:18.160
<v Speaker 2>and at the Smithsonian scientists are currently banking the genetics

0:30:18.200 --> 0:30:21.400
<v Speaker 2>of two hundred plus orchids native to the US, more

0:30:21.440 --> 0:30:23.360
<v Speaker 2>than half of which are endangered.

0:30:23.680 --> 0:30:26.720
<v Speaker 4>Goes back to the fundamental that all lives dependent on plants.

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<v Speaker 4>The majority of our ecosystems are made up of wild plants,

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<v Speaker 4>and these are the things that are providing us with

0:30:33.480 --> 0:30:38.880
<v Speaker 4>the oxygen that we breathe, and preventing floods and providing

0:30:38.880 --> 0:30:42.520
<v Speaker 4>all these amazing services within the landscape. We tend to

0:30:42.720 --> 0:30:45.800
<v Speaker 4>focus on things that are threatened in the wild, things

0:30:45.800 --> 0:30:49.360
<v Speaker 4>that are rare so they're likely to become threatened, and

0:30:49.640 --> 0:30:53.120
<v Speaker 4>also useful plants, And that's in the broadest sense. You know,

0:30:53.160 --> 0:30:56.720
<v Speaker 4>it could be useful for food, for medicine, for fiber,

0:30:57.280 --> 0:30:59.239
<v Speaker 4>for cultural reasons, whatever it is.

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<v Speaker 2>Focusing on plants that are threatened carries a certain feel

0:31:04.320 --> 0:31:07.360
<v Speaker 2>good message, but it's not like you could bring a

0:31:07.440 --> 0:31:12.400
<v Speaker 2>species back from the dead, like back from extinction, right wrong.

0:31:13.320 --> 0:31:17.280
<v Speaker 2>In the nineteen nineties, there was only one cylindrocline lorentzi

0:31:17.400 --> 0:31:21.160
<v Speaker 2>alive in the wild. The small tree native to the

0:31:21.160 --> 0:31:26.160
<v Speaker 2>island nation of Mauritius, was saved from oblivion when scientists

0:31:26.320 --> 0:31:36.200
<v Speaker 2>successfully extracted and grew sells from dead cylindricline seeds. More recently,

0:31:36.600 --> 0:31:40.320
<v Speaker 2>researchers in Israel were able to nurture a date palm

0:31:40.360 --> 0:31:45.600
<v Speaker 2>called Phoenix dactylifera from two thousand year old seeds. That

0:31:45.720 --> 0:31:49.560
<v Speaker 2>tree now bears the same fruit that biblical figures may

0:31:49.600 --> 0:31:55.640
<v Speaker 2>have eaten. And impressively, in twenty twelve, scientists discovered a

0:31:55.720 --> 0:31:59.640
<v Speaker 2>seed of a flowering Siberian plant which had been buried

0:32:00.160 --> 0:32:04.320
<v Speaker 2>an ice age squirrel thirty two thousand years ago, and

0:32:04.400 --> 0:32:11.880
<v Speaker 2>they successfully revived it. And you know, that spells hope

0:32:11.880 --> 0:32:16.240
<v Speaker 2>for the plants plagued with poaching or overexploitation, because it's

0:32:16.320 --> 0:32:20.400
<v Speaker 2>here in places like this that solutions are emerging.

0:32:20.880 --> 0:32:25.080
<v Speaker 4>We're involved in a project in South Africa because the

0:32:25.120 --> 0:32:28.760
<v Speaker 4>illegal trade in succulent plants there is kind of at

0:32:28.800 --> 0:32:34.120
<v Speaker 4>a crisis point. They seized something like seven hundred thousand

0:32:34.560 --> 0:32:38.040
<v Speaker 4>individual plants at the borders to date, and some of

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<v Speaker 4>those plants can be tens to hundreds of years old,

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<v Speaker 4>so you know the impact that that's having on these

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<v Speaker 4>populations is pushing them towards extinction. So our partners in

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<v Speaker 4>South Africa have recently developed a nursery for growing on

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<v Speaker 4>succulent plants and for training their staff in how to

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<v Speaker 4>propagate them and how to restore them to the wild,

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<v Speaker 4>and we've got a really interesting program that's just starting

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<v Speaker 4>to see if you can use stable isotopes within the

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<v Speaker 4>plants as a signature for where they came from. So

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<v Speaker 4>then could you say whether something's been illegally collected or

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<v Speaker 4>was from a reputable nursery. So can we help to

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<v Speaker 4>stop this illegal trade In.

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<v Speaker 2>That way, maybe in the not too distant future, buying

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<v Speaker 2>plants will be more secure and transparent. You'll be walking

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<v Speaker 2>through the store and be assured that the plant you're

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<v Speaker 2>buying didn't come from a bad seed.

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<v Speaker 6>So we're going to walk just a little bit further

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<v Speaker 6>down this hiking trail we.

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<v Speaker 2>Wanted to end here in Tennessee.

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<v Speaker 6>So as we get out here and take a walk,

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<v Speaker 6>you'll see gravel right at the surface, so very little soil,

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<v Speaker 6>very rocky, harsh environment for plants to grow in.

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<v Speaker 2>David linsecom, manager of the Natural Heritage Program for the

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<v Speaker 2>State of Tennessee, is showing our producer Gabby around the

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<v Speaker 2>state's Cedar Glades to witness a little miracle.

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<v Speaker 6>Today we are here at Couchville Cedar Glades State Natural

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<v Speaker 6>Area in Davidson County, Tennessee. Today we're going to look

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<v Speaker 6>for the Tennessee purple cone flower Echinasia Tennessee ensus. It

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<v Speaker 6>is a globally rare species and a state rare species.

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<v Speaker 2>The Tennessee cone flower Echinasia Tennessee ensus is a gorgeous bloom.

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<v Speaker 2>It kind of resembles a spinley purple daisy. It attracts

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<v Speaker 2>important pollinators like bees and butterflies. It's also rare. It

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<v Speaker 2>only exists right here in Tennessee.

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<v Speaker 6>The plants that occur here many of them her nowhere

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<v Speaker 6>else in the world, including our Tennessee purple cone flower.

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<v Speaker 6>It's surprising when you walk this hiking trail, the cone

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<v Speaker 6>flowers scattered throughout, and it's so common here that probably

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<v Speaker 6>no one thoroughly thinks about it being globally rare. In

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<v Speaker 6>about a fifteen miles of range here, and there's only

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<v Speaker 6>five wild populations, and that's in the entire world, and

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<v Speaker 6>it's all right here, primarily in Davidson County, Wilson County,

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<v Speaker 6>and Rutherford County in Tennessee.

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<v Speaker 2>The coneflower thrives in this unique environment where shallow soil

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<v Speaker 2>is layered atop limestone croppings, but back in the day

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<v Speaker 2>its survival was at risk. In the nineteen seventies. It

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<v Speaker 2>became just the second plant to be added to the

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<v Speaker 2>US Endangered Species list. But when state and federal entities

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<v Speaker 2>realized it was at risk of disappearing, they jumped into

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<v Speaker 2>action to conservative.

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<v Speaker 6>So it's the two pronged approach of protecting the habitat

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<v Speaker 6>and then working with conservation horticulture to collect seas, propagate plants,

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<v Speaker 6>and re establish colonies that has really proven to be

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<v Speaker 6>successful for this species.

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<v Speaker 2>Workers acquired land to tech the environment. They enlisted botanic

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<v Speaker 2>gardens to propagate the cone flower. They sent specimens to

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<v Speaker 2>seed banks for preservation. Up until twenty eleven, the government

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<v Speaker 2>was spending around thirty thousand dollars a year to keep

0:36:13.360 --> 0:36:17.319
<v Speaker 2>the flower on life support and it worked. All of

0:36:17.360 --> 0:36:25.400
<v Speaker 2>that effort helped revive a plant staring down extinction. Similar

0:36:25.440 --> 0:36:27.759
<v Speaker 2>efforts have worked with other plants you've heard about in

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<v Speaker 2>this podcast. The Saint Helena ebony is bouncing back. The

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<v Speaker 2>cacti that you heard about in episode one, the ones

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<v Speaker 2>found in a man's apartment in Italy. They're back home

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<v Speaker 2>in Chile. Io For the cone flower, botanical gardens and

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<v Speaker 2>seed banks saved the day. They propagated the plants, providing

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<v Speaker 2>an alternate source for obsessed buyers, known as Echinasia rocky top,

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<v Speaker 2>helping reduce collection pressures on wild populations. Seeds became widely

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<v Speaker 2>available across the country, feeding the demands of gardeners and

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<v Speaker 2>what the cedar glades protected. The government was able to

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<v Speaker 2>reintroduce the flower into the wild. In twenty eleven, the

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<v Speaker 2>Tennessee cone flower was removed from the Endangered Species list.

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<v Speaker 6>The Tennessee cone flower was a big deal because it

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<v Speaker 6>was one of the first plant species ever listed on

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<v Speaker 6>the Endangered Species Act and it took thirty two years

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<v Speaker 6>to reach that recovery state. It's quite an achievement for myself.

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<v Speaker 6>That was one of the first species I was really

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<v Speaker 6>actively in working with and you know, reaching recovery. I mean,

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<v Speaker 6>that's what our job is, to get these species off

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<v Speaker 6>the list, and so being able to actually do that

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<v Speaker 6>and accomplish it was very rewarding. It really took a

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<v Speaker 6>small army of folks to make it happen.

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<v Speaker 2>It really does take an army. And now you're a

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<v Speaker 2>part of it, because the first step is awareness. But

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<v Speaker 2>if you're still wondering where do I go from here?

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<v Speaker 2>How do I help stop this? I have a few ideas. First,

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<v Speaker 2>know where your plants come from, especially if you're like

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<v Speaker 2>buying wood or something like that. If the person or

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<v Speaker 2>place you're buying from can't tell you anything about the

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<v Speaker 2>plant source, then get it somewhere else. If you're dealing

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<v Speaker 2>with foreign or endangered species, always ask for a FIDO

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<v Speaker 2>sanitary certificate. If they don't have one, look elsewhere. And

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<v Speaker 2>please don't buy non commercial plants from places that do

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<v Speaker 2>not have nursery certificates. Many can be illegal or poached.

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<v Speaker 2>Now if you must, always ask the seller to show

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<v Speaker 2>their nursery certificate, permit or FHIDO Sanitary certificate if need be.

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<v Speaker 2>Support your local botanical garden, not only are they wonderful

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<v Speaker 2>places to visit, where your money goes straight to the

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<v Speaker 2>conservation and protection of species, and you could give to

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<v Speaker 2>groups like the Environmental Investigation Agency, the International Union for

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<v Speaker 2>the concert of Nature or Cactus and Succulent Plants Specialist Group.

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<v Speaker 2>The work they do matters, and please, if you're in

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<v Speaker 2>the US and witness the poaching or trafficking of plants,

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<v Speaker 2>or have any evidence of any other wildlife crime, report

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<v Speaker 2>it to the US Fish and Wildlife Service. Their tip

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<v Speaker 2>line is one eight four four three nine seven, eight

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<v Speaker 2>four seven seven. Again that is one eight four four

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<v Speaker 2>three ninety seven eight four seven seven. I'm Summer rain Oaks.

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<v Speaker 2>That's it for Bad Seeds. Thank you for listening and

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<v Speaker 2>for building a future for some good to grow. Bad

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<v Speaker 2>Seeds is a production of School of Humans and iHeart Podcasts.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm your Host Summer rain Oaks. Lucas Riley is our writer,

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<v Speaker 2>Gabby Watts is our producer, and Amelia Brock is our

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<v Speaker 2>senior producer. Fact Checking is by Savannah Hugely and Zoe Farrell.

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<v Speaker 2>Original music is by Claire Campbell, sound design and scores

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<v Speaker 2>by Jesse Niswanger. Development was by Brian Lavin and Jacob Selzer.

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<v Speaker 2>Special thanks to a voice actor Christopher Goldie. Executive producers

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<v Speaker 2>are Brian Lavin, Elsie Crowley, Brandon Barr, Virginia Prescott and

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<v Speaker 2>Jacob Selzer.