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Speaker 1: When all is said and done, assuming they don't make

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Speaker 1: story of this season. Welcome into North Side Territory, Foul Territory,

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Speaker 1: No Works Cubs Podcast. I'm Sahadev Sharma with my partner

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Speaker 1: Patrick Mooney, who's at Wrigley Field right now. After Shota

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Speaker 1: in Managa through seven no hit innings capped off by

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Speaker 1: no hitter in the past three years, three or four years,

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Speaker 2: In the past like fifteen years, sixteen years.

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Speaker 1: I mean, just after not seeing one since the seventies,

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Speaker 1: this team is suddenly no hitter happy, Patrick was what

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Speaker 1: was this scene like at Wrigley Feel tonight?

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Speaker 3: It was, I think really encapsulated this season in a

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Speaker 3: lot ways of like you kind of count this team

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Speaker 3: be honest that Mike Google doc had the words you know,

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Speaker 3: Cubs toast in it and today's date, because that, honestly

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Speaker 3: They just lost two tough games to a last place team.

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Speaker 3: They put arguably their best picture on the injury list,

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Speaker 3: and you're just you know, their playoff odds were Accorny

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Speaker 3: fangrayup grafts about one point seven and then showed him

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Speaker 3: Minaga goes out and just does his thing, and even

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Speaker 3: that was not totally clean either of You have your

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Speaker 3: Creig counsel making the decision to pull him. So like

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Speaker 3: the onfield scene wasn't you know, and maybe we're spoiled

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Speaker 3: by like Jake Arietta at Dodger Stadium with you know,

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Speaker 4: This was kind of like.

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Speaker 3: Really a bunch of dudes who had no idea the

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Speaker 3: started booing. Nate Pearson, the reliever, came in, did not know,

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Speaker 3: but once people started booing, he felt like something Ye

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Speaker 3: even Porter Hodge, who closed out the game, said he

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Speaker 3: looked at the TV in the bullpen right around the

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Speaker 3: same time Pearson did, but of course he didn't want

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was funny watching from home you see Jack

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Speaker 1: season just went to hell quickly. If Showna's coming out

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Speaker 1: after two innings, he did, you know he did. I

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Speaker 1: as far as the positive stories, Showeda has nearly cemented that.

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Speaker 1: We've talked about it on and off throughout this podcast,

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Speaker 1: Season right now is just so odd to to try

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Speaker 2: We're gonna have to spend more time.

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Speaker 1: On him, Miguel Amaya, the catcher there. Uh, and and

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Speaker 2: Better, uh and make them better. Uh.

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Speaker 1: He he deserves a lot of props for for kind

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Speaker 2: A nice story right now after those two losses.

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Speaker 1: It's this team impossible to try and predict what's gonna

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Speaker 1: about that next time we record Patrick. But it's like,

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Speaker 1: Certainly didn't expect them to answer these two disappointing losses

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think one one thing to add on a Maya,

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Speaker 3: Like he knew he's gonna be asked about why he pulled.

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Speaker 3: I think that really it was summed up for him.

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Speaker 3: You know, you never know, you know when you're gonna

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Speaker 3: They got an off day and then it's gonna get

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And and I think it's a sign of the times.

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Speaker 1: We don't need to dive into this right now, but

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Speaker 1: we've barely talked about that that Council pulled Shoda. I

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Speaker 3: If he doesn't get fired up about it, it's hard

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Speaker 3: for us to like press him on it, you know

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Speaker 3: another language. They do still have something to play for here,

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Speaker 3: it's going to end here. It's unlikely that they keep

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Speaker 1: All right, let's wrap it up here, Patrick, thanks so

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Speaker 1: much for everyone listening to North Side Territory.

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Speaker 2: Make sure to rate, review and subscribe to the podcast.

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Speaker 2: You can read Patrick's piece.

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Speaker 1: On the No Hitter and We'll be at it all

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Speaker 1: weekend against the Yankees. Patrick will be on the West

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Speaker 1: Coast trip to Denver in La Thanks so much for listening. Patrick,

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Speaker 1: thanks for the dispatch from out of Wrigley, Fun night

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Speaker 1: at Wrigley and long night for you obviously writing as well,

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Speaker 1: so thanks for coming, Thanks for putting this together and

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Speaker 1: making sure we recorded.

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Speaker 2: Thanks everyone, take care,