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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know are

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Speaker 1: you a Charlotte? Hello, everybody, welcome, Welcome back to Are

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Speaker 1: You a Charlotte Today when we are.

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Speaker 2: Going to recap episode of one oh five. It is called.

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Speaker 1: Oh my Gosh, The Power of Female Sex. Don Don

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Speaker 1: Don do, and it is just me. I'm recapping just

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Speaker 1: me and myself today. So for the fan who wrote

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Speaker 1: in on the Instagram page saying, you know, can you

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Speaker 1: explain the guests at the top of the show, the

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Speaker 2: Myself, So I hope that's okay with you guys.

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Speaker 1: All Right, this episode is so fascinating and when I

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Speaker 1: rewatched it, I was wow shocked. Didn't remember lots and

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Speaker 1: like when I think about the first season, part of

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Speaker 1: the reason that I feel like in my mind I

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Speaker 1: I'm just so impressed by so many things about it,

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Speaker 1: and in this particular episode, there's a lot of really

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Speaker 1: fascinating conversation about power and sex and men and women

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Speaker 1: And the other thing I think of it, I'm just

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Speaker 1: going to say this at the top too, because you know,

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Speaker 1: I feel like I grew up on this show, even

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Speaker 1: This episode is extremely fascinating. It is directed by Susan Settleman,

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Speaker 1: Do you remember back when I said I didn't know

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Speaker 2: Not true. Ginger Cohan is amazing.

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Speaker 1: She created Orange is the New Black, you guys, can

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Speaker 1: you believe? Also weeds, and she wrote an episode in

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Speaker 1: our very first season called the Power of Female Sex.

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Speaker 1: She was already onto her themes, and those themes are

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Speaker 1: into this fantastic character named Amalita. Now many people have

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Speaker 1: everything they do is fabulous. Right, So Amalita says, I'm

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Speaker 1: Skipper comes over because he wants to talk about Miranda. Now,

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Speaker 1: one thing that really caught my attention is that he

435
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Speaker 1: does not get buzzed in. Now, the reason I bring

436
00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:42,720
Speaker 1: this up is because there's an episode of And Just

437
00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:45,359
Speaker 1: Like That where someone comes over to Carrie's apartment also

438
00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:48,879
Speaker 1: doesn't get buzzed in, and the internet went crazy. People

439
00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:52,160
Speaker 1: the internet was like, how could they get in there

440
00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:56,080
Speaker 1: without being buzzed in? People were texting me how could

441
00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:57,960
Speaker 1: that character get in there without.

442
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Speaker 2: Being buzzed in?

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Speaker 1: I was like, wow, you guys need to lax. Okay,

444
00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:05,119
Speaker 1: my gosh. Now, in reality, yes, most buildings in New

445
00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:07,439
Speaker 1: York have either a doorman or a buzzer or some

446
00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:09,960
Speaker 1: kind of system, right, So it's true. You can't just

447
00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:13,320
Speaker 1: really walk up stairwells to people's apartment, hopefully at least.

448
00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:17,399
Speaker 1: But Skipper somehow does. So he rings her little doorbell.

449
00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:19,280
Speaker 1: She goes to the door, she answers it. She's only

450
00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:21,359
Speaker 1: partly dressed for her date. She's like, come on in,

451
00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:24,679
Speaker 1: I'm getting dressed. Skipper very politely comes in, sits on

452
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Speaker 1: the bed, doesn't look at her. She's getting dressed in

453
00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:29,080
Speaker 1: her closet, which is right behind her bedroom, as you

454
00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:31,760
Speaker 1: guys probably know. But it is kind of adorable, and

455
00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:34,240
Speaker 1: you think to yourself, gosh, do Skipper and Carrie know

456
00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:35,479
Speaker 1: each other this well?

457
00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:37,119
Speaker 2: That she would just go ahead getting dressed.

458
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Speaker 1: And I also think it's kind of this is like

459
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Speaker 1: the bohemian Carrie.

460
00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:41,679
Speaker 2: This is like Carrie.

461
00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:44,000
Speaker 1: You know, we're all much younger, right, so it's like

462
00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:46,560
Speaker 1: her bohemian self, Like, yeah, Skipper, sit there and I'll

463
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Speaker 1: just get dressed. Like she walks through the room in

464
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Speaker 1: her skirt and her bra. We don't really see this later,

465
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Speaker 1: do you know what I'm saying?

466
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Speaker 2: But it's interesting. It's almost like we're in college. Like

467
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Speaker 2: I watched this episode and I'm like, it's kind of like.

468
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Speaker 1: Maybe we just got out of college last year, like

469
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Speaker 1: we're new to the city.

470
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Speaker 2: I don't know. I just get those vibes when I

471
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Speaker 2: watch it. But anyway, Skipper's there.

472
00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:12,560
Speaker 1: And he says to Gary that you know, he's just

473
00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:13,840
Speaker 1: obsessed with Miranda.

474
00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:17,440
Speaker 2: It's so adorable. I mean, it really is so cute.

475
00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:20,440
Speaker 2: He thinks he's addicted to her. She's all he can

476
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Speaker 2: think about.

477
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Speaker 1: He only gets to have sex with her in the afternoon,

478
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Speaker 1: and he doesn't shower after. This made me laugh so

479
00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:32,760
Speaker 1: hard because Sarah Jessica is so brilliant. She's touching him

480
00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:35,520
Speaker 1: when he says this, at which point she looks down.

481
00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:38,560
Speaker 1: There's a few beats, she slowly lets go of his

482
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Speaker 1: hand and the next thing you see she's washing her hands,

483
00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:44,520
Speaker 1: which is so funny, like it's just very subtly done

484
00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:46,640
Speaker 1: with her really incredible comic timing.

485
00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:48,399
Speaker 2: So it's pretty funny.

486
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Speaker 1: And the funny thing that Carrie says is she says,

487
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Speaker 1: I really think that you should spend the night with

488
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Speaker 1: her and not have sex.

489
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Speaker 2: It's really important.

490
00:23:56,000 --> 00:24:01,159
Speaker 1: And I'm like, wow, who is this woman interest relationship

491
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:05,679
Speaker 1: advice in terms of the fact that Miranda is not

492
00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:07,520
Speaker 1: going to be going for this, so I feel like,

493
00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:09,280
Speaker 1: you know, maybe that's not great advice to give to

494
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:10,880
Speaker 1: Skipper because it's not going to go well.

495
00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:12,960
Speaker 2: It's not going to go well at all. But nonetheless

496
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:13,719
Speaker 2: she gives the advice.

497
00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:19,159
Speaker 1: So then Carrie goes out on this incredible afternoon montage

498
00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:21,639
Speaker 1: with Jill. They go to literally all of my favorite

499
00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:24,679
Speaker 1: places in Central Park. At one point, she's sitting on

500
00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:28,200
Speaker 1: the Alice in Wonderland sculpture near the boat pond.

501
00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:30,600
Speaker 2: You know, she's on the promenade in the park.

502
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's like glorious and the park is looking

503
00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:35,480
Speaker 1: so beautiful. She's wearing a slightly insane outfit that I

504
00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:39,240
Speaker 1: think involves possibly like a feather boa or a feather

505
00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:44,520
Speaker 1: trim jacket. It's very trippy, but in general, stylistically, I

506
00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:47,080
Speaker 1: feel like we're really starting to see Kerry in this episode.

507
00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:51,280
Speaker 1: She has some fantastic dresses. Also, Amalita is dressed beautifully,

508
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:53,359
Speaker 1: like Samantha is dressed beautifully.

509
00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:55,640
Speaker 2: I can see that pat.

510
00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:58,440
Speaker 1: Field is working her way in there, you know, which

511
00:24:58,480 --> 00:24:59,320
Speaker 1: is great to see.

512
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Speaker 2: Okay, So they go.

513
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Speaker 1: On this whole montage type date and she makes out

514
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:08,159
Speaker 1: with him, and then she says something like I have

515
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:09,840
Speaker 1: a rule that I don't sleep with.

516
00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:11,680
Speaker 2: A man that I haven't known more than a day.

517
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:14,359
Speaker 1: But then she goes ahead, which is kind of funny,

518
00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:16,840
Speaker 1: which I'm like, I didn't know you had any rules,

519
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:19,920
Speaker 1: but you know, it's all very interesting. So she sleeps

520
00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:22,600
Speaker 1: with the lovely frenchman and then she wakes up in

521
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:25,840
Speaker 1: the very very posh hotel and he tells her how

522
00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:29,800
Speaker 1: beautiful she looks while she's sleeping, but that he can't

523
00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:32,280
Speaker 1: stay because he has a plane to catch, and then

524
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Speaker 1: he says, I'll call you, and later on she realizes

525
00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:37,879
Speaker 1: that she doesn't have his number and he doesn't have

526
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Speaker 1: her number, which is also really interesting, like how did

527
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Speaker 1: they find each other the next day?

528
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Speaker 2: I don't know.

529
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Speaker 1: It's very different obviously in nineteen ninety eight than it

530
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Speaker 1: is now. So he leaves and he says, stay, stay,

531
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Speaker 1: have room service, and she says okay, and then she

532
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:55,560
Speaker 1: realizes that he's left her a note.

533
00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:57,600
Speaker 2: She goes, oh, but he left me a note, so

534
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Speaker 2: she opens the envelope.

535
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Speaker 1: There is, in fact a piece of paper, but there's

536
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:05,040
Speaker 1: also one thousand dollars.

537
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Speaker 2: I don't remember this at all, you guys.

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Speaker 1: It is wow, fascinating to think about and really really

539
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:16,800
Speaker 1: interesting and also really pretty mortifying. Like I think I

540
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:19,440
Speaker 1: would definitely die a million deaths if that ever happened

541
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Speaker 1: to me.

542
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:22,920
Speaker 2: But I also feel like he was so sweet.

543
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Speaker 1: To her, and she told him about her money problems, right,

544
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:27,480
Speaker 1: I think she told him like I have an addiction

545
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Speaker 1: to shoes, you know. I don't think she told him

546
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:33,520
Speaker 1: that her bills were sitting on her table and that

547
00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:36,159
Speaker 1: she threw them away, but you know, she shares, and

548
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:38,080
Speaker 1: he says something like, oh, doesn't writing pay.

549
00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:40,919
Speaker 2: Well She's like, no, no, it does, which is like funny.

550
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 1: Also, but you know, it's all very interesting, So maybe

551
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:46,359
Speaker 1: he's just leaving her some money to buy some shoes, like,

552
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:49,960
Speaker 1: I didn't necessarily think that he meant it, like, yes,

553
00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:52,400
Speaker 1: I thought you were a prostitute. I do not think

554
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:54,840
Speaker 1: that he thought that she was a prostitute. Okay, that

555
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:57,879
Speaker 1: seems weird to me. I don't know, I don't know.

556
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Speaker 2: Maybe it was just that that actor did a really

557
00:26:59,600 --> 00:26:59,960
Speaker 2: good job.

558
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:02,040
Speaker 1: So what I was going to tell you about that actor?

559
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:05,119
Speaker 1: His name is Ed Frye. He was on a soap

560
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 1: opera in New York called Another World, as was Charles Keating,

561
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:13,879
Speaker 1: who plays my artist, and you guys, so was I

562
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:17,119
Speaker 1: on that soap opera. I had a recurring part on

563
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 1: that soap opera right after college.

564
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Speaker 2: And the reason I remember is that, first of all,

565
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 2: I used to love to watch it.

566
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Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys know what soap operas are,

567
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:26,800
Speaker 1: because I don't think they're really a thing anymore. But

568
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:28,399
Speaker 1: there used to be soap operas in New York and

569
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:31,119
Speaker 1: soap operas in LA and it was a great job

570
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:33,520
Speaker 1: if you could get it, because you got to go.

571
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:35,119
Speaker 2: To work like every day or whatever.

572
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Speaker 1: You know, it was like, you know, sixty minutes a

573
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 1: day of show, right, so like Monday, She's gonna say Thursday, Friday,

574
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 1: every day had an hour of that show on. And

575
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Speaker 1: when you were little, those of us who were my age,

576
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:50,919
Speaker 1: you know, your moms might watch these things, right, so

577
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:52,320
Speaker 1: like if you got to stay home from school, you

578
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 1: could maybe watch the soap operas with your mom. It

579
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 1: was really dramatic, and I remember being super fond of

580
00:27:57,359 --> 00:27:59,639
Speaker 1: them and thinking like, yes, I could be on a

581
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:01,960
Speaker 1: soap oper but that would be great. That was something

582
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:03,919
Speaker 1: that I thought would be fantastic right when I got

583
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:05,679
Speaker 1: out of college and I went on there and I

584
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:06,879
Speaker 1: did really really enjoy it.

585
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Speaker 2: Wait are you finding it, Easton?

586
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 1: Is it on there?

587
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:10,440
Speaker 2: What was my name?

588
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 1: My name was Paige, you guys, thank you? My producer

589
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 1: Easton looked at up. My name was Paige. Don't ask

590
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:18,919
Speaker 1: me what I did. I have no idea. I just

591
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:21,399
Speaker 1: remember being there and then it was very exciting. And

592
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:24,520
Speaker 1: isn't it strange and funny that two actors from that show.

593
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:26,760
Speaker 1: Charles Keating was on that show a long time, like

594
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:29,359
Speaker 1: he was a mainstay of Another World and he was

595
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:33,080
Speaker 1: a lovely, lovely actor. So anyway, funny and strange to

596
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 1: me to realize this when I'm looking back on it,

597
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 1: I don't think I realized it. Then Okay, they're in

598
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 1: the hotel room. Carrie calls Miranda and Samantha to come over.

599
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:54,120
Speaker 1: They come over, and they ordered just a whole bunch

600
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 1: of food because they're going to spend the Frenchman's money.

601
00:28:56,600 --> 00:29:00,239
Speaker 1: And they have a very fascinating conversation that I really

602
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 1: would play for you guys if I could right now,

603
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:06,240
Speaker 1: but I don't have it. They discuss money, money is power,

604
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 1: sex is power. Money for sex is simply an exchange

605
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:14,400
Speaker 1: for power. I believe, Samantha says that, I think, and

606
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 1: then Miranda is like, no, you know, don't give away

607
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 1: your power. You know, you want to have your own power.

608
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 1: And they kind of overlap each other, which is also

609
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:25,479
Speaker 1: kind of unheard of in our show and something that

610
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:27,720
Speaker 1: we didn't get to do much of as the years

611
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 1: went on. But I really love the whole conversation, and

612
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 1: I think that it's very interesting back then, and I

613
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:36,480
Speaker 1: think it's very interesting now and now. Like I don't

614
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 1: know if you guys feel this way, but sometimes when

615
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:43,480
Speaker 1: I'm talking to people, like, for instance, well I shouldn't

616
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 1: mention anyone, but for instance, sometimes I talk to people

617
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 1: about dating and dating in New York La wherever, and

618
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 1: people talk about that younger women are into status, that

619
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 1: they're like they might be dating the older guy for

620
00:29:57,040 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 1: status and money or power. I think something to that effect,

621
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Speaker 1: and I believe Blakely and I talked about this last

622
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 1: week because people had a lot to say on the

623
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 1: Instagram about, you know, whether men who have status and

624
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:12,080
Speaker 1: power care at all about what women think.

625
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 2: Someone thinks they don't, And I.

626
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 1: Was like, Lol, that's what I said, because you know,

627
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:19,479
Speaker 1: I think everyone wants to be loved. This is what

628
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 1: I think. But obviously I play Charlotte, right, so of

629
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 1: course I would think that. But to my mind, everyone

630
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 1: wants to be loved, like truly deeply loved. Maybe it's

631
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 1: more important to some people and less important to others,

632
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:32,040
Speaker 1: but even men with status and money want to be loved.

633
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Speaker 1: I'm just sure they do. I mean, do they probably

634
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 1: do what they want anyway?

635
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 2: Yes, they probably do.

636
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 1: But I do think that people, in general, men and

637
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:41,720
Speaker 1: women want to be loved, right. But I also think

638
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 1: sometimes that women have been socialized to think that they

639
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:52,120
Speaker 1: need to achieve a certain status, and that that status

640
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 1: might be based on what man they were dating, or

641
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:57,040
Speaker 1: what that man has.

642
00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 2: Or drives or what his job is.

643
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 1: And to me, I think that's kind of sad, only

644
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 1: because when that man changes his mind, what is that

645
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 1: woman going to be left with? And I always feel like,

646
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 1: do not depend on a man for your financial well being.

647
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 1: That's my personal advice in general. I know I'm getting

648
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 1: into terrible, terrible territory.

649
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 2: At this point, but whatever.

650
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 1: But I love these conversations because I do think it's

651
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 1: still very, very very interesting to talk about men and

652
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 1: women and money and sex and power and the exchange

653
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 1: of that. And I love the kind of liveliness with

654
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 1: which it is discussed in the episode. Then, oh Lord,

655
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 1: oh Lord, we cut to Charlotte, and Charlotte is out

656
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 1: in the woods in Connecticut. She's gone to see this

657
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 1: artist who she thinks that she's going to get to represent.

658
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 1: Now we don't exactly say this, but when it says

659
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 1: something like Charlotte's coop, I think it says that's because

660
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 1: she's it's like a big get to get to be

661
00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:59,479
Speaker 1: summoned by this artist out to his studio in the

662
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 1: rural wilds of Connecticut.

663
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 2: So she goes in and he gives.

664
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 1: This incredible little monologue about the source of all life

665
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 1: and pleasure and beauty that is really like wow, and

666
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 1: I really enjoyed, and I feel like we should like

667
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 1: print it out and put it somewhere. But he gives

668
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 1: this very beautiful speech while the lights are still kind

669
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:30,120
Speaker 1: of off in his kind of barn slash studio, and

670
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 1: Charlotte's just standing there like wide eyed, like wow, you

671
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 1: know what's he going to show me? And then he

672
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 1: he when he goes on for a while about the

673
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:46,600
Speaker 1: you know, the power and the source of all life,

674
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 1: it turns out that these are very much Georgia O'Keeffe

675
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 1: inspired paintings that could be flowers, but they're not. There's

676
00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:00,280
Speaker 1: something that he uses a C word for that I'm

677
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 1: not going to use, okay because I draw a line

678
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 1: as did Charlotte, but that word just starts getting thrown

679
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 1: around right and left, just right and left, and Charlotte's

680
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:11,520
Speaker 1: just like oh God.

681
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 2: And then his wife.

682
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 1: Comes in and she also uses the sea word, which

683
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 1: is also very very prescient of things to come in

684
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:23,120
Speaker 1: the show. I don't know if you guys remember, like

685
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 1: we have kind of older couples who teach sex courses

686
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 1: and things coming. I mean like, oh, I had many

687
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 1: flashes in my mind when I was watching this episode

688
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 1: of these very interesting, you know, kind of bohemianish, artsy

689
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 1: types of older couples who have a lot to say

690
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:46,320
Speaker 1: and teach us people about sexuality and free use of

691
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 1: the sea word. I'm sure you guys know what I mean,

692
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 1: but I'm definitely not going to say it. I just

693
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 1: don't think I can. I just don't think I can.

694
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 1: It does remind me also of pat Field, though, because

695
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:57,480
Speaker 1: the highest compliment for pat Field is to say that

696
00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 1: something is sea unt. Why that was like, hi, praise, okay,

697
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 1: but when she would kind of like shouted at you

698
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 1: in her deep voice, it always seemed a little scary,

699
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:11,239
Speaker 1: but she really meant that as a compliment, like that

700
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:13,799
Speaker 1: was a big, big, big compliment if you could get

701
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:19,040
Speaker 1: that compliment from Pattfield. So basically, this artist asked Charlotte

702
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:22,320
Speaker 1: if she will pose for him, and uh, she doesn't

703
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:24,759
Speaker 1: exactly say yes, but it kind of seems like she

704
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:26,919
Speaker 1: might say yes because the wife is there helping, which

705
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:31,360
Speaker 1: I think gives Charlotte some sense of safety. Though literally

706
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 1: I cannot imagine that she does this. I mean I

707
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:36,440
Speaker 1: think she does this based on the show, but like,

708
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 1: I don't know how that went down.

709
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:41,239
Speaker 2: I don't understand it at all, and it also made me.

710
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 1: Think of you know, coming up soon, I think, is

711
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 1: when Charlotte decides to look at her own private parts.

712
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:50,920
Speaker 2: Do you guys remember this?

713
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 1: And I fall off the bed, which is one of

714
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 1: the many times I've fallen.

715
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:57,279
Speaker 2: Off a bed in this show. It's always really fun

716
00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:59,279
Speaker 2: to do. I did it not too long ago. It's

717
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:02,919
Speaker 2: an enjoyable thing to do. But that's coming. I don't

718
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 2: know what season is coming.

719
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 1: So I guess this is like a journey for Charlotte

720
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 1: of discovery, I guess, And for whatever reason, maybe it's

721
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:12,879
Speaker 1: because it's art, Okay, She's like, okay for the art.

722
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:15,720
Speaker 2: I can do this for the art. And then later

723
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 2: you're going to.

724
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:19,239
Speaker 1: See the gallery showing at her gallery, which is a

725
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:21,479
Speaker 1: big deal for her, right, So she is thinking about

726
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:25,239
Speaker 1: her own career advancement, like I think that is her goal, Like,

727
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 1: I'm going to make a name for myself in the

728
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 1: art world, and this is one way.

729
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:30,840
Speaker 2: To do it. And it's secret that I posed.

730
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 1: Right, So all the friends come and they're all trying

731
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:34,920
Speaker 1: to guess which painting is to her, and I do

732
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 1: vaguely remember being vaguely embarrassed and just trying to roll

733
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 1: with it, Like just like the taxicab, you know, last episode.

734
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 1: I'm not going to say either, you know, I'm just like, Okay,

735
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:51,959
Speaker 1: they're writing for me. I've just gotta you know, seem

736
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:54,880
Speaker 1: like I'm game. I've just got to make it work somehow.

737
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:56,720
Speaker 1: I'm sure that I was using all of my actors

738
00:35:56,760 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 1: substitutions in my mind, right, Like what kind of thing

739
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 1: would I do for my job, something like doing a

740
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 1: crazy storyline on a show that I really want to

741
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 1: be on, right, Like, I'm probably using the very thing

742
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:12,759
Speaker 1: that's happening in life for my substitution for Charlotte storyline.

743
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 1: It's very similar because I'm just like, I need storyline.

744
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:18,799
Speaker 1: I'm going to go with this slightly insane thing that

745
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:21,240
Speaker 1: they're writing for me because I'm just really really happy

746
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 1: that they're writing something for me.

747
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 2: Okay, cut back to the show.

748
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:29,480
Speaker 1: We're back at Pretend Balthazar, Samantha and Carrie show up

749
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 1: again and the host is there with a different hat.

750
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 1: You guys, it's amazing. They think they're going to get

751
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:37,920
Speaker 1: in because Carrie has already been there. But no, no, no,

752
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:42,760
Speaker 1: it is not easy Amalita is there. She invites Carrie

753
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:45,720
Speaker 1: to come to the Venice Film Festival with a whole

754
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 1: new group of handsome men who are this time from Italy.

755
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 1: But one of them puts his arm around Carrie and

756
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:55,400
Speaker 1: then kind of the arm slips down in a way.

757
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:56,920
Speaker 2: Carrie does not like this.

758
00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:59,240
Speaker 1: So I was really pleased to see this, like Carrie

759
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 1: kind of you know, getting her sense of self there

760
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:06,720
Speaker 1: and realizing, no, you know, she's going to have her morals.

761
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:08,919
Speaker 1: Her voiceover says like, you know, I realize, like there's

762
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 1: a line between what I'm willing to do and what

763
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 1: I'm not willing to do. So then she goes to

764
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:16,320
Speaker 1: the bathroom. She politely excuses herself. She goes to the bathroom.

765
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 2: The hostess is there and she looks all vulnerable and she.

766
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:22,439
Speaker 1: Needs a tampon, and it's so cute because Carrie's like, yes,

767
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 1: I have one. And then after that they always get

768
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 1: into the restaurant, so it's good. It's like women on

769
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 1: each other's side. You know, it all works out. Then

770
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 1: at the very end, we are at the art gallery.

771
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:37,400
Speaker 1: The friends are there. Unfortunately Stanford's not there. I was

772
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:39,719
Speaker 1: really hoping this was the art gallery scene where Stamford

773
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:41,279
Speaker 1: was there, but I think that's coming later.

774
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:42,799
Speaker 2: But the girls are there.

775
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 1: Everyone's trying to guess which one of these paintings might

776
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 1: be Charlotte.

777
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 2: And I tell Carrie in her ear.

778
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 1: Which one is me, and she tells I think Samantha.

779
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 1: And I'm just like, oh my god, this is so mortifying.

780
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:55,279
Speaker 1: But you know, I'm standing there and I'm looking, I'm looking,

781
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 1: I'm looking pleased, and I'm giggly whatever. And I think

782
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:01,799
Speaker 1: a lot of it was like just being game, you know,

783
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:04,680
Speaker 1: like you're in this show. This show doesn't know what

784
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 1: it is. We're figuring it out together. And I feel

785
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 1: like everyone, most definitely Sarah Jessica, because she's talking to

786
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 1: that camera again.

787
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 2: You know, she's floating up in the air.

788
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 1: She's like, we're doing so much stuff, you know, it's

789
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 1: very interesting to me. Now. One of my favorite things,

790
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:23,279
Speaker 1: just from a personal personal note, is that in that

791
00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:27,640
Speaker 1: art gallery, Sarah is wearing this kind of kimono robe

792
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 1: that has like payettes on it. This is a robe

793
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:33,879
Speaker 1: that still exists in Carrie's closet and just like that,

794
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 1: and I feel like I just saw it like a

795
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:38,360
Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago, so For me, it was adorable

796
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:39,880
Speaker 1: because I thought it was only a robe that she

797
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 1: wore at home, but no, she wears this house to

798
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:43,759
Speaker 1: the art gallery, which again is bohemian.

799
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 2: Carrie is creative Carrie. I love it.

800
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:50,280
Speaker 1: We're seeing her stylistically, you know, come into her own

801
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:56,320
Speaker 1: in so many ways. So I think that this episode

802
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:58,439
Speaker 1: is so interesting, and this is what I'm like, Could

803
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 1: I just have a forum of fans that I could

804
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 1: talk to about this, because I would love to hear

805
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 1: your guys' thoughts, Like what do you think about female

806
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 1: sex and the different forms it takes in the episode?

807
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:12,760
Speaker 2: Like you know, Miranda.

808
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:16,319
Speaker 1: Sees, you know, she's got the power over Skipper, right,

809
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:19,759
Speaker 1: and Skipper says, oh, I'm addicted to her, you know obviously.

810
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:22,840
Speaker 1: And then you know Charlotte, you know, willing to be

811
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 1: painted by this artist so that she can advance her thing.

812
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:28,319
Speaker 1: Amalitea is her whole way of life is like, you know,

813
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:30,600
Speaker 1: this is what I do. I have these you know,

814
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 1: handsome rich men, and I go where they want, and

815
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:35,400
Speaker 1: I have beautiful jewelry, and I have a wonderful life

816
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:37,719
Speaker 1: and isn't it great? And you know, it seems it

817
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:39,319
Speaker 1: seems to be working great for her?

818
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:41,880
Speaker 2: Right? Is that is that cool? What do you think?

819
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:45,400
Speaker 1: And then like Carrie, you know, has to kind of

820
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:46,719
Speaker 1: decide do I want to be.

821
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 2: That or do I want to not.

822
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 1: Be that and kind of you know, try to afford

823
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 1: my shoes but not be able to and get my.

824
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:53,920
Speaker 2: Credit card caught up.

825
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 1: Like it's to me very interesting kind of conundrum that

826
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 1: many many people go through, men and women, really, you know, honestly, And.

827
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 2: I think it's still going on.

828
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 1: So I'm super curious what you guys think, and I'm

829
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:13,359
Speaker 1: really hoping that maybe you'll tell me. I also want

830
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 1: to think this is reminding me a little bit of

831
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 1: one comment that we got from last week, which is

832
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:21,799
Speaker 1: someone went on and said when we were talking about

833
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 1: the value of the twenty something guys, and they said

834
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:26,920
Speaker 1: that when Blakely and I were talking about the roommate

835
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 1: and how that was a deal breaker, which I think

836
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:29,439
Speaker 1: is what we said.

837
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:31,160
Speaker 2: We said something like that and they were like, oh,

838
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 2: you know, you guys ruined it for us.

839
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:35,280
Speaker 1: And then I wish I knew how old these these

840
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:37,920
Speaker 1: these people were who commented, right, because I want to

841
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:39,120
Speaker 1: know are they in their twenties? Right?

842
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 2: Because this is interesting things.

843
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:42,720
Speaker 1: Have changed, for sure, and there's a lot of people

844
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:46,319
Speaker 1: who don't, you know, get to live by themselves because

845
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:48,880
Speaker 1: the economy is wacky, and you know, COVID happened, and

846
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 1: so many things happened, right, So I think probably a

847
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 1: lot of people do have roommates that wouldn't probably have

848
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:56,719
Speaker 1: had roommates in nineteen ninety eight, right. And the whole

849
00:40:56,960 --> 00:41:00,400
Speaker 1: idea of value of the twenty something guys is Timothy

850
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:03,319
Speaker 1: Offense character and his friends or in their twenties, right,

851
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:05,799
Speaker 1: and Carrie and her friends were in our thirties. So

852
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 1: there is supposed to be this generational gap happening in

853
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 1: the episode, and it seems like we've possibly touched on

854
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:16,279
Speaker 1: it too much that made people feel upset about it,

855
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:18,879
Speaker 1: I guess. And I think that's a very interesting thing

856
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:21,400
Speaker 1: to talk about now, because I still think it's true,

857
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:25,840
Speaker 1: probably even more true, that there are these generational gaps.

858
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:27,799
Speaker 1: And as part of the reason I wanted to do

859
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:30,839
Speaker 1: the podcast is because we've been so lucky to get

860
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:33,959
Speaker 1: to do the show since nineteen ninety eight nineteen ninety seven,

861
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 1: which is a very long time. Obviously, we've seen so

862
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:39,879
Speaker 1: many social trends and changes, and you know, the way

863
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 1: people talk about sex and relationships and dating apps. I mean,

864
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:45,719
Speaker 1: so many different things have changed, but yet still there

865
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 1: do seem to be these gaps between generations where maybe

866
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:53,840
Speaker 1: there's misunderstandings, and I'm super interested by that, and certainly

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Speaker 1: what happens when you're trying to date across those gaps

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Speaker 1: is also really interesting. So right, some more on the Instagram,

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Speaker 1: you guys, mere thoughts. You could always write in on

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Speaker 1: the podcast page too, because that's cool.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for being with me. We are going to

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Speaker 2: have a really fun guest next week. I can't wait.

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Speaker 2: And thank you for joining me for are you a Charlotte. Bye,