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Speaker 4: Good morning, everybody, Happy Wednesday. We have an amazing show

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Speaker 4: for everybody today, Bro Show. Ryan Grimm is I actually

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Speaker 4: know I'm in the house.

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Speaker 1: I'm in at your house with house.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you very much for having me here

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Speaker 3: on the program. Out of Cabin, yeah that's it is

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Speaker 3: not a main cabin where I previously was recording with

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Speaker 3: Tucker Carlson. I didn't get to meet the dogs, unfortunately,

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Speaker 3: but we had a very good time. Tucker and I

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Speaker 3: we talked a lot of Jeffrey Epstein and Israel. Have

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Speaker 3: some clips of that later on in the show, but

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Speaker 3: I'm very glad to be back here after a marathon

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Speaker 3: journey from.

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Speaker 1: New England, beautiful state.

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Speaker 3: We're going to start off talking about Jeffrey Epstein. Of course,

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Speaker 3: the major story in the news, Donald Trump absolutely losing

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Speaker 3: it after being asked about the cover up by his

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Speaker 3: own administration. We have a lot more details about how

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Speaker 3: the government story not only doesn't add up, but his

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Speaker 3: complete bullshit, I think is the light way of saying it.

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Speaker 3: We're going to play some clips from my appearance on

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Speaker 3: Tucker Carlson's show, but more importantly, we're going to back

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Speaker 3: it up from Ben Shapiro and others saying actually the

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Speaker 3: government is telling the truth. Wonder what compelling interests they

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Speaker 3: would have in saying that, Ryan, We're going to talk

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Speaker 3: with Liz Wiegler. I'm actually very excited for this. So,

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Speaker 3: first of all, love Liz used to go on our

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Speaker 3: show all the time over a decade ago. But more

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Speaker 3: importantly for our purposes, Liz was present Ryan at the

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Speaker 3: Influencer briefing with Pam Bondi where she was handed the

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Speaker 3: Epstein files. Little Woman Binder's Little baloney is the way

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Speaker 3: that we're talking about it now. And what interestingly about

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Speaker 3: Liz is that she was there and now she's calling

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Speaker 3: for Pamboni to be fired.

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Speaker 1: And it's very upset about.

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Speaker 3: Being used in that photo opportunity and for some of

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Speaker 3: the lies that the Trump administration has propagated. Here, we're

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Speaker 3: also going to talk about Ukraine, speaking of you know,

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Speaker 3: lies and other things was propagated by the administration. Donald

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Speaker 3: Trump has discovered a new strategy of sending more weapons

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Speaker 3: to Ukraine to try and get Pooh to negotiate. If

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Speaker 3: only someone had tried it before, right Ryan, If only

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Speaker 3: someone had tried it before and then run against it

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Speaker 3: to say that they wouldn't do it. But we have

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Speaker 3: a lot to say. We're going to talk about tariffs.

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Speaker 3: Crystal talked about this yesterday. But wow, that letter to Japan,

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Speaker 3: that's something that's maybe the kindest way of putting it.

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Speaker 3: Donald Trump has changed the deadline. Now we're back to August.

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Speaker 1: First.

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Speaker 3: Copper prices are up by fifty percent. Hope that's not

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Speaker 3: a critical mineral.

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Speaker 1: We don't need to copper, Yeah, I remember hoping.

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Speaker 3: The copper, of course is not you know, in any

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Speaker 3: way integral to the US supply chain. Bbe met for

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Speaker 3: the second time while he's in Washington with President Trump

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Speaker 3: yesterday and negotiations over a ceasefire. Ryan, you're gonna take

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Speaker 3: the lead on this one. You're gonna explain to me

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Speaker 3: everything going on. I know that Jeremy has done some

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Speaker 3: excellent reporting over at dropsite about Hamas and their response

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Speaker 4: And then finally we're going to talk about Grock.

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Speaker 3: For those who aren't to wear Grock is twitters or

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Speaker 3: And a couple of days ago, Elon Mus said Grock

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Speaker 3: that's all it took for it to quite literally go Nazi.

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Speaker 3: Now people may know I'm not one to you know,

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Speaker 3: immediately just call a spade a spade, But you know,

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Speaker 3: when you're praising Adolf Hitler, and ahead and call this

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Speaker 3: one talking about Jewish genetics, I think we could probably

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Speaker 3: go with that. You think I'm exaggerating, stick around for

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Speaker 3: the segment.

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Speaker 1: And I will read it all for you.

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Speaker 3: But let's go ahead and start with Jeffrey Epstein and

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Speaker 3: what is happening here with Donald Trump? I mean, there's

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Speaker 3: shut down any questions over Jeffrey Epstein. Yesterday at a

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Speaker 1: Let's take a listen, dam Jeffrey Epstein left some leadering mysteries.

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Speaker 5: One of the biggest ones is whether he ever worked

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Speaker 5: for a American or foreign intelligence agency. The former Leader secretary,

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Speaker 5: who was Miami US attorney Alex Costa, allegedly said that

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Speaker 5: he did work for an intelligence agency. So could you

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Speaker 5: resolve whether or not he did? And also could you

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Speaker 6: Yeah, are you still talking about Jeffrey Epstein? This guy's

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Speaker 6: been talked about for years. You're asking we have Texas,

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Speaker 6: and are people still talking about this guy? This creep

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Speaker 6: that is unbelievable. Do you want to waste the time

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Speaker 6: and do you feel like answering?

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Speaker 7: I don't mind answering.

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Speaker 6: I mean, I can't believe you're asking a question on

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Speaker 6: some of the greatest success and also tragedy with what

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Speaker 6: happened in Texas. It just seems like a desecration. But

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Speaker 3: It's a desecration to ask the Attorney General about Jeffrey

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Speaker 3: covering up her own comments on the White House lawn

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Speaker 3: where she said I have the client list, and now

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Speaker 3: she said there's no client list and that there's no

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Speaker 1: If anything.

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Speaker 3: By the way, that's what an act of journalism should be.

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Speaker 3: You know, you're asking, you have the Attorney General, you're

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Speaker 3: asking an appropriate question, and just look there. Trump is

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Speaker 4: Ryan talking about trying to shut this stuff down.

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Speaker 3: With the prevailing theory that by Elon Musk put forward,

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Speaker 3: he's actually quote in the Epstein files, and that's part

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Speaker 3: of the reason why it's not being released. But nonetheless,

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's an extraordinary thing for our president to say,

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Speaker 3: release those Epstein files.

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Speaker 1: So what do you make of that? You could sort

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Speaker 1: of see it coming though, if you remember. There was

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Speaker 1: one interview you probably remember who did this Fox News, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: where they said, hey, what about the JFK files and

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Speaker 1: the Epstein files? And he said, you know what, I'm

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Speaker 1: going to do JFK And he's like, you know what

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Speaker 1: I'm going to do RFK Senior, I'm going to do MLK.

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Speaker 1: He threw in files that he wasn't even asked about.

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Speaker 1: And then they're like, what about the Epstein ones? And

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Speaker 1: And you could just tell from his body language and

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Speaker 1: not this is not going to be a day one thing. Trump,

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Speaker 1: whatever you say about him, is a preternatural political talent.

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Speaker 1: He has lost his touch on this point, yes, which

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Speaker 1: raises its own questions like what happened to the guy?

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Speaker 1: It's one thing to handle it the way that he's

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Speaker 1: handling it to cover up the crimes and decide he's

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Speaker 1: not going to release this information because we don't know

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Speaker 1: what's in there, and he's got might have some reasons

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Speaker 1: of which we can talk about later. But to then

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Speaker 1: have this like panicked response like he's Alan Iverson in

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Speaker 1: that clip of talking about practice. You're asking talking about

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Speaker 1: practice Jeffrey Epstein as if it's ridiculous. He has his

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Speaker 1: does he not understand that a politician chiding the public

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Speaker 1: for asking about Epstein is the worst thing that you

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Speaker 1: can do as a politician today because it has become

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Speaker 1: this point of entry for tens of millions of people

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 7: You know.

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Speaker 1: Some have it for why they like Bernie Sanders because

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Speaker 1: it's like, Okay, if Bernie says this, then then I

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Speaker 1: For a lot of people, it's this Epstein case. It's like,

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Speaker 1: and they're doing it for a despicable form of power. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: For Trump to know that, he's got to know that

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you're That is such an intelligent way

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Speaker 3: And it's part of why what we're about to show

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Speaker 3: more extraordinary and shocking. Here is the Attorney General Pambondi

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Speaker 3: is totally routine let's take a listen.

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Speaker 7: February I did an interview on Fox. I was asked

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Speaker 7: it's sitting on my desk to be reviewed, meaning the

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Speaker 7: file along with the JFK MLK files as well. That's

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Speaker 7: what I meant by that. To the tens of thousands

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Speaker 7: of video they turned out to be child porn downloaded

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Speaker 7: by that disgusting Jeffrey Epstein, never going to be released,

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Speaker 7: never going to see the lighted day to him being

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Speaker 7: an agent, I have no knowledge about that. And the

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Speaker 7: minute missing from the video, and what we learned from

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Speaker 7: euro of Prisons was every year, every night they redo

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Speaker 7: that video as old from like nineteen ninety nine, So

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Speaker 7: every night the video is reset and every night should

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Speaker 7: have the same minute missing. So we're looking for that

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Speaker 7: video to release that as well, showing that a minute

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Speaker 3: Right, So every night at the same time, a minute

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Speaker 3: of the footage is missing. Okay, but actually it's been

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Speaker 3: I theoretically might believe that if this were any other facility,

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Speaker 1: And those are CDs? Right, He had surveillance footage all

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Speaker 3: We could learn a lot from the client list, probably

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Speaker 3: just by looking at his calendar for who he had

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Speaker 3: dinner with at various different nights and putting that together

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Speaker 3: with various different investment deals and other things he may

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Speaker 3: have been broker, let's say Bill Gates and various scientific

444
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Speaker 3: funding pathways. All of that fits with a loosely connected

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Speaker 3: intelligence operation, and none of it has yet been released

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Speaker 3: to the public. And that's the disgraceful part.

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Speaker 1: Right, And it goes back to the original point of

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Speaker 1: why didn't they do that? Yeah, So, if your cash

449
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Speaker 1: Betel and Dan bageant bound Gino or Pambonni or Donald

450
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Speaker 1: Trump or anybody in the administration who has all your eggs,

451
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Speaker 1: a lot of eggs in this basket and not dropping it,

452
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Speaker 1: smashing them all, one alternative available to you is to

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Speaker 1: produce a one hundred and fifty page report that one

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Speaker 1: hundred and thirty five pages of which is stuff that's

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Speaker 1: already been reported by Vanity Fair or Julie Brown or

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Speaker 1: is just out in the public record, and just making

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Speaker 1: some connections and putting things in subheads and where you

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Speaker 1: can't draw a conclusion, you just leave it as it

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Speaker 1: is and say, look, you know this warrants further investigation.

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Speaker 1: And then the you know, fifteen pages of it or

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Speaker 1: so was made up of stuff that you weldact from

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Speaker 1: documents that hasn't been public yet. And you don't go

463
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Speaker 1: all the way and say, okay, we have found that

464
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Speaker 1: he was a massad agent or he was working for

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Speaker 1: the US intelligence agencies or whatever. You don't go all

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Speaker 1: the way in, but you, but you could leave some

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Speaker 1: smoke that there are some connections here to intelligence agencies

468
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Speaker 1: and it warrants further investigation and if we learn more,

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Speaker 1: we'll tell you more and then let and then the

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Speaker 1: podcasters in the public would just would kind of feed

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Speaker 1: off of that, and then the questions would keep being asked, Okay,

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Speaker 1: what more can we know about this? And it would

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Speaker 1: it would end up being just this same as it

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Speaker 1: is now. People would believe what they believe and would

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Speaker 1: keep asking questions about it for twenty or thirty years.

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Speaker 1: But they wouldn't be blaming Trump for standing in the

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Speaker 1: way of it, even though he would still be kind

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Speaker 1: of standing in the way because he could selectively hold

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Speaker 1: some important stuff back so that path was available. He

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Speaker 1: didn't do that. He's trying to actually straight up shut

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Speaker 1: it down.

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Speaker 8: While the Israeli prime ministers, well, just like why are

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Speaker 8: you who are you doing this for?

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Speaker 3: And why look again, you know I think again, many

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Speaker 3: of us know the answer to that question, and it

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Speaker 3: involves very, very high level intelligence. This is par for

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Speaker 3: the course for a lot of the US intelligence community,

488
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Speaker 3: which is long held up and or not prosecuted, you know,

489
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Speaker 3: cases involving the exploitation of children just to cover up

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Speaker 3: quote sources and methods and intelligence. So here's some clips

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Speaker 3: of me talking about this with Tucker Carlson.

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Speaker 1: Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 10: I think this for a bunch of reasons. It's so obvious,

494
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Speaker 10: it is salacious. People have followed it for years. The

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Speaker 10: President promised to reveal the truth about this beam bond

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Speaker 10: as you said one on televisions, that we have the truth,

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Speaker 10: that we're going to give it to you. Yes, I

498
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Speaker 10: think this is kind of I think this is a

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Speaker 10: big deal. It's a really big deal. It's bigger. Well,

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Speaker 10: I hope so too. Actually, so let's just assess us logically.

501
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Speaker 10: They're covering up the DOJ, the current DOJ under Pambondi,

502
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Speaker 10: is covering up crimes, very serious crimes by their own description.

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Speaker 1: Why are they doing that?

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Speaker 10: So they're really only two potential explanations that I can

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Speaker 10: think of.

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Speaker 1: Maybe you've got another.

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Speaker 10: The first is that Trump is involved, that you know,

508
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Speaker 10: Trump is on the list, that they've got tape of Trump,

509
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Speaker 10: doing something awful. I don't believe that for two reasons. One,

510
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Speaker 10: I've talked Trump about it a lot, and I know him.

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Speaker 10: He's not that, you know, for whatever he sins, I

512
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Speaker 10: don't think he's that guy. Actually, I don't think he

513
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Speaker 10: likes creepy sex stuff. That's just my view. But moreover,

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Speaker 10: but more I think convincing is that this is all

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Speaker 10: information that the Biden administration had, And if there was

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Speaker 10: evidence that Trump had been involved in illegal sexual activity,

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Speaker 10: you think that pople who made up Rushi Gate wouldn't.

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Speaker 1: Have waked it. Come on now.

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Speaker 10: So the only other explanation that I can think of, again,

520
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Speaker 10: maybe you've got another, is that intel services are at

521
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Speaker 10: the very center of this story US and Israeli and

522
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Speaker 10: they're being protected. I think that seems like the.

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Speaker 1: Most the most obvious. They have a history of this.

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Speaker 3: There have been multiple documented cases of pedophilia inside of

525
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Speaker 3: the CIA, perpetrated by CIA officers. Documented that in money

526
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Speaker 3: of those can I believe over a dozen cases. This

527
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Speaker 3: was a BuzzFeed news piece years back, where the CIA

528
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Speaker 3: specifically did not want to prosecute those individuals in federal

529
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Speaker 3: court for fear that they would reveal sources and methods

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Speaker 3: if they were pulled into open court, and they basically

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Speaker 3: just made it go away. The only time they actually

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Speaker 3: prosecuted somebody for child pornography was whenever he'd already been

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Speaker 3: prosecuted for mishandling classified information.

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Speaker 10: Well, when they want to crush they put kitty porn

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Speaker 10: in your computers. Why don't have a computer? Don't known

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Speaker 10: why if you're an person you should be confided no computer.

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Speaker 11: So that's the problem.

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Speaker 10: One of the most importing the problem the DOJ decision

539
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Speaker 10: yesterday to cover up the crimes of Epstein, which they

540
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Speaker 10: are doing, is that it leaves people at the very

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Speaker 10: end of their electoral options. It's like, I voted for

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Speaker 10: this guy, and I'll speak for myself. I voted for

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Speaker 10: this guy precisely because I'm really distressed. I want justice,

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Speaker 10: I want honesty. I think secrecy of BET's evil. I

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Speaker 10: want someone to focus on my country, like all the

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Speaker 10: basic things, and I think Trump wants all those things too.

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Speaker 10: But if you when you allow something like this to happen,

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Speaker 10: people are like, you know what, the system itself is

549
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Speaker 10: beyond reform. There's no reasonable step I can take to

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Speaker 10: improve this country or my own life, I have to

551
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Speaker 10: do something crazy, like you're creating true radicalism when you

552
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Speaker 10: do stuff like this.

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Speaker 4: See and that really gets to what your analysis was there, Ryan,

554
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Speaker 4: and I was.

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Speaker 3: By the way, if anybody wants to fact check me,

556
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Speaker 3: it's from BuzzFeed News from twenty twenty one. Put buzzfey

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Speaker 3: decide it's Jason Leopold. You and I know rong Defiza

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Speaker 3: King's BuzzFeed.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, did some serious investigative reporting. Yeah, back in the day.

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Speaker 3: They actually were a powerhouse in their time, at least

561
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Speaker 3: in some particular areas. But Jason in particular was you know,

562
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Speaker 3: he was the guy. He got fives of documents, he

563
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Speaker 3: got declassified intelligence reports. This is all verifiable information about

564
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Speaker 3: the previous track record that they've used, and it's really

565
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Speaker 3: the only one that fits. I mean, look, I would

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Speaker 3: say I was probably more willing to agree with Tucker

567
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Speaker 3: on his first point about Trump until that video that

568
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Speaker 3: just came out, boy, that we covered, but with Trump,

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Speaker 3: and now I'm like, I don't know, man, You know, man,

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Speaker 3: maybe it is that involves you at this point.

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Speaker 1: Tucker's point that you would think Democrats would have leaked

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Speaker 1: it if they had something damning on Trump is a

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Speaker 1: persuasive one. Then on the other hand, you're like, well,

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Speaker 1: maybe they just didn't want to open that can of

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Speaker 1: worms because what.

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Speaker 4: Right, who else is in there?

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Speaker 3: Bill Clinton and all of these other I mean at

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Speaker 3: this point though, like Clinton is Clinton is out.

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Speaker 4: He's has been president for over thirty years.

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Speaker 1: For Bill Clinton.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like why or sorry, twenty five years? But

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Speaker 3: you know, I mean, if we think about it, it's

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Speaker 3: all a little bit preposterous. I did find it interesting, though,

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Speaker 3: is that both Tucker and I came under attack for

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Speaker 3: in particular for calling out Pam Bondi, Cash Battel, and

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Speaker 3: Dan Bongino. Now, I mean, I think actually they should

587
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Speaker 3: be held to a high There's only one Trump administration

588
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Speaker 3: official ever who should be held to the highest standard.

589
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Speaker 3: Alex Costa, the guy who was the US attorney who

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Speaker 3: let Jeffrey Epstein in a sweetheart deal, who also said

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Speaker 3: who said it quote I was told he belonged to intelligence.

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Speaker 4: That's a report by Vicky Ward.

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Speaker 1: It's a report, by.

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Speaker 3: The way, that he was asked about when he was

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Speaker 3: Secretary of Labor in a press conference in twenty nineteen,

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Speaker 3: and he said he couldn't comment on that, and he

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Speaker 3: wouldn't neither confirm nor deny.

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Speaker 4: He's had six years to correct the record.

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Speaker 1: And he's declined not to do so. Okay, so just

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Speaker 1: putting that out there.

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Speaker 3: But here is basically the defense of Cash Mittel and

602
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Speaker 3: Dan Bongino's put us up there on the screen. Will Chamberlain,

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Speaker 3: I like Will, I got nothing really hard on the

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Speaker 3: show last week.

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Speaker 1: It was on the show.

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Speaker 3: Here's what he says, not even an ounce of intellectual

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Speaker 3: humility here, responding to Tucker and I, what if Cash

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Speaker 3: Betel and Don Bongino, people we all respected enormously, people

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Speaker 3: Tucker interviewed, are telling the truth. That doesn't mean Epstein

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Speaker 3: wasn't a spy, or that any of the other cansiracy

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Speaker 3: theories aren't true. It just means Cash and Dan do

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Speaker 3: not have any evidence of that. Why would you assume

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Speaker 3: they are lying. They've gotten decades long records of being

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Speaker 3: straight shooters, getting to the bottom of serious wrongdoing.

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Speaker 1: Quote, they are our guys.

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Speaker 3: Now, what I see in that is a perverse trust

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Speaker 3: that is taken to an extraordinary level. Here's Cashptel using

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Speaker 3: his previous reputation right where he said, if I had this,

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Speaker 3: don't you think I would give it to you.

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Speaker 1: That's what he said to Joe Rogan.

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Speaker 3: So there's a presumption there that he doesn't have it,

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Speaker 3: and that's part of the reason, is that it doesn't exist.

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Speaker 3: The other presumption of why you don't have it is

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Speaker 3: if you'd never go looking for it. Ryan, is if

625
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Speaker 3: instead somebody comes to tell you and say, hey, you

626
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Speaker 3: need to make this all go away. All right, you

627
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Speaker 3: can say that you don't have it because we didn't

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Speaker 3: give it to you. But you know, there's some stuff there,

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Speaker 3: and it's troubling. What it's one of the most classic

630
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Speaker 3: Washington things in the book is I don't want to know.

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Speaker 3: So that way, if I'm ever asked about it under oath,

632
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Speaker 3: I don't have to give any real testimony as to

633
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Speaker 3: that case. And really why it's disgusting from Bondi, from

634
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Speaker 3: Cash Betel and Dan Bongino is they entered the government

635
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Speaker 3: as these renegades who, by the way, filthy rich Cash

636
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Speaker 3: Betel and Dan Bongio of what off of what by

637
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Speaker 3: talking about stuff like this, talking about the deep state

638
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Speaker 3: and their own expertise, they were trusted and confirmed by

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Speaker 3: the United States Senate and the government, put in faith

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Speaker 3: by the American people to get to the bottom of

641
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Speaker 3: the very things like this, and so then to not

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Speaker 3: have the competence or to at least come forward and

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Speaker 3: explain exactly how you tried to get to the bottom

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Speaker 3: of this and put out this bullshit letter from the

645
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Speaker 3: Attorney General after claiming otherwise while you were in office

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Speaker 3: on camera in front of the South Lawn.

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Speaker 1: It's just a little bit too much for me, isn't it. Right? Yeah.

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Speaker 1: One of the things, and one of the things you

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Speaker 1: accused him of lying about in the interview I noticed,

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Speaker 1: was whether or not he killed himself. Yes, And that's

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Speaker 1: a place where I hold out a little bit of

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Speaker 1: space because to mething, everything about Epstein, all of the conspiracies,

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Speaker 1: his connections to intelligence is blackmailing. It's such a all

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Speaker 1: that could be true. And he also could have killed himself,

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Speaker 1: because let's say he's fa you know, he sees the

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Speaker 1: life that's ahead of him.

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Speaker 4: Right, But if it was only him, why did he

658
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Speaker 4: kill himself?

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Speaker 7: Right?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's you're looking at a life.

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Speaker 3: You're a billionaire, you could afford the best lawyers in

662
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Speaker 3: the world, looking at a life in protective custody.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's great life. But you know, it's

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Speaker 1: not horrible. There's there's there's counter arguments that he was

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Speaker 1: participating in his defense actively. There was he had, you know,

666
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Speaker 1: he had he had he was friends with the president,

667
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Speaker 1: like he had reasons to think that it might go.

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Speaker 1: It might not be a worst case scenario for on

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Speaker 1: the other hand, there's reasons you could see that he

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Speaker 1: might have done it. So I would be nervous if

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Speaker 1: by putting too much of the eggs in the basket

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Speaker 1: of he was killed. If there did emerge some proof

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Speaker 1: that he actually killed himself, Like let's say, oh, we

674
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Speaker 1: found the video, Okay, but Ryan, like see none of

675
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Speaker 1: this other stuff.

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Speaker 3: Is they had definitive proof they killed himself. Do you

677
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Speaker 3: think they would have released it. Let's look at the

678
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Speaker 3: body of evidence is now we have the government here,

679
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Speaker 3: which is multiple different stories in the cell about how

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Speaker 3: he allegedly. Michael bod and the most famous forensic pathologists

681
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Speaker 3: in the world, says that the autopsy is not consistent

682
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Speaker 3: at least what's available, and the auto is not consistent

683
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Speaker 3: with the person who tried to kill themselves. If they

684
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Speaker 3: had the autopsy which proved it, then they would release it.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

686
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Speaker 3: I mean, look, they're asking an extraordinary amount of trust here.

687
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Speaker 3: Feel fine, go ahead and release the autopsy. Brian, you

688
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:21,720
Speaker 3: and I have been in this game for a long time.

689
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 3: You can use FOYA and other public records request to

690
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:28,479
Speaker 3: get auto in you know, cases where it's compelling interest

691
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 3: to the American public people. Yeah, it happens all the time.

692
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Speaker 3: What are we protecting beyond that? You know, Tucker made

693
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Speaker 3: a great point. None of the other inmates on the

694
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Speaker 3: cell block, their names have ever been released. They've all

695
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Speaker 3: been transferred to various different prisons. Their name remain unknown

696
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Speaker 3: to us to this day. And you know, I can

697
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Speaker 3: keep going in terms of the whole killed yourself thing.

698
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Speaker 3: It's just if you're going to ask some extraordinary claims

699
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 3: require extraordinary evidence, and all of this evidence is allegedly

700
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Speaker 3: that you have.

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Speaker 4: I mean same coming back to the.

702
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Speaker 3: So called lists, flight logs, ever, et cetera. You know

703
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Speaker 3: Epstein a billionaire. Last time I checked, Ryan, billionaires have

704
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Speaker 3: a lot of paperwork that they have to fire too.

705
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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a expert.

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Speaker 3: That's why these billionaires paid him all this money. Right, Well,

707
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Speaker 3: last time I checked. You know, after you have to

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Speaker 3: release all that till the I r s. All right,

709
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Speaker 3: So every year, no matter who you are, you got

710
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Speaker 3: to file something, all right, and in that something, tell

711
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Speaker 3: me tell me about the LLCs, tell me about the

712
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Speaker 3: pastor I entities, tell me about you know what was

713
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Speaker 3: paying for this and that? And you know, we already

714
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Speaker 3: have so much body of information. I talked about this

715
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Speaker 3: on the Tucker Carlson Show.

716
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Speaker 1: I probably did. It might have been with you. We

717
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:34,160
Speaker 1: talked about this five years ago.

718
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Speaker 3: The Department of Financial Services in the State of New

719
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Speaker 3: York find Deutsche Bank, you know, a lot of money

720
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Speaker 3: for ignoring all of its own policies, and it gave

721
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Speaker 3: us exact insight into the bank's handling of the Epstein case.

722
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Speaker 3: The Barclay CEO, you know, lost his job basically over

723
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Speaker 3: his previous role working with Epsteine and wealth management. That

724
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Speaker 3: all of that is a paper trail. It has a

725
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Speaker 3: lot of names.

726
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Speaker 8: That's exactly what you could easily put You could put

727
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Speaker 8: it out in a report.

728
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Speaker 3: You can have subpoena power, which the federal government has.

729
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Speaker 3: These are serious crimes by the way, that regulators are

730
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Speaker 3: supposed to have compelling interest in, because we're talking about

731
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Speaker 3: money laundering at some of the highest levels Leon Black

732
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Speaker 3: was worth nine billion dollars, head of the Apollo Group

733
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Speaker 3: paid him one hundred and seventy million dollars for tax

734
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Speaker 3: advice that he later came out instead, actually his tax

735
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Speaker 3: device wasn't even good because it was all in the

736
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Speaker 3: public domain. Okay, okay, I mean yeah, I mean I

737
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Speaker 3: always pay a p you one hundred and seventy million

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Speaker 3: dollars for publicly available tax device, right, Oh yeah, fine.

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Speaker 4: I mean this is the level of b as they

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Speaker 4: want you to swallow.

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Speaker 3: And so you know, these are all things anybody remotely

742
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Speaker 3: interested in the Epstein case could bring up and could

743
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Speaker 3: talk about.

744
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Speaker 4: But Ben Shapiro has another take.

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Speaker 3: He says, I accept, I accept the word of Cash

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Speaker 3: Retel the word I accept his word.

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Speaker 1: Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 12: The DJ and the FBI again run by people like

749
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Speaker 12: Dan Bongino and Cash Pateel and Pam BONDI are telling you.

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Speaker 1: I'm not telling you.

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Speaker 12: They're telling you he was not murdered, he did not

752
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Speaker 12: keep a client list, and he did not blackmail powerful figures.

753
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Speaker 12: If you're willing to throw that over and claim they're lying,

754
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Speaker 12: then I'd like to see you prevent present your evidence

755
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Speaker 12: that they are in fact lying because I know Dan.

756
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Speaker 12: I don't think that Dan Bungino is lying to me.

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Speaker 12: I know Cash Petel a little bit. I don't think

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Speaker 12: Cash Pattel is lying to me. I don't think these

759
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Speaker 12: people are lying to me. And now's the point at

760
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Speaker 12: which the facts on the ground have changed, and so

761
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Speaker 12: either you ought to shift your opinion based on the

762
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Speaker 12: facts that are now merged, or you ought to acknowledge

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Speaker 12: that this was never a fact based inquiry in the

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Speaker 12: first place.

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Speaker 4: I know him, and I don't think he's lying to me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, what we know about relationships between powerful

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Speaker 1: people and the government and influential journalists is that they

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Speaker 1: never lie to each other. Of course. Yeah, so if

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Speaker 1: a government official says something to a powerful person in

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Speaker 1: the media, especially if they say it privately, you could

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Speaker 1: take that to the bank.

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Speaker 3: You could take it to the bank. I mean, right,

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Speaker 3: I've never been lied to by people in power. In fact,

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Speaker 3: part of the reason I do this, you wouldn't lie

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Speaker 3: to me. Make sure that they would never lie to me. Right.

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Speaker 3: If anything, I get lied to more a by the

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Speaker 3: people who I know who are in the government.

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Speaker 4: Isn't that interesting? But look, you could take all this

779
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Speaker 4: for you will.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's it's something I said on Talker show

782
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Speaker 3: is the lie is not meant.

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Speaker 1: To actually be told to the public.

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Speaker 3: It really is just a signal to everyone in the imperium,

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Speaker 3: everybody who's involved in the scheme, we will go to

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Speaker 3: the ends of the earth to protect you. I have

787
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Speaker 3: no I have no other conclusion that I can draw.

788
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Speaker 3: There's no reason. It's just like the magic bullet theory.

789
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Speaker 3: It takes one second. For somebody's sake, that's just not

790
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 3: what happened. I mean, it's just not it just didn't happen.

791
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Speaker 3: But the reason why it stands to this day as

792
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Speaker 3: an explanation for the Kennedy assassination is that the alternative

793
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:37,160
Speaker 3: is just too difficult to contemplate. And the magic bullet

794
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 3: theory it remains, you know, that idea that is perpetrated

795
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Speaker 3: for the single reason of telling everybody involved from the

796
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 3: CIA up and down, for the Cubans and all you know,

797
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:50,439
Speaker 3: the you know, anti Castro Cuban, to all the group

798
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:52,880
Speaker 3: mob whatever, all any of the groups are particularly involved

799
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Speaker 3: in this, and to just say, don't worry about it.

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Speaker 1: We will never tell the public the truth I'm going

801
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Speaker 1: to Dallas this Friday for the first time. Are you

802
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:02,800
Speaker 1: going to? I want to see all the stuff.

803
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's it's a little underwhelming, to be honest,

804
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 3: but yeah, everyone should go see it. It's okay, it's

805
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 3: an okay city. Sorry Dallas and sorry Dallas. Uh, It's

806
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Speaker 3: it's all right, all right. Let's get to Liz Wheeler.

807
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Speaker 3: She's standing by. We're going to talk to her about

808
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Speaker 3: this Influencer event and how she feels duped. Joining us

809
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:22,719
Speaker 3: now is Liz Wheeler. She is host of the Liz

810
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Speaker 3: Wheeler Show on Blaze TV. Liz and I go way back,

811
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Speaker 3: but for our purposes, we're here to talk to Liz

812
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Speaker 3: about the Epstein Files, which she herself was involved in.

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Speaker 4: Liz exactly. That's an important point here for.

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Speaker 1: Liz to join us.

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Speaker 3: Liz, you were unwittingly part of this event which got

816
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Speaker 3: a lot of attention. We can put the photo up

817
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:48,440
Speaker 3: here on the screen, shall we. Where you were coming

818
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Speaker 3: out of the White House with some other you know,

819
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Speaker 3: I guess personalities, I guess is the best way to

820
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Speaker 3: describe it. Where you were part of a meeting with

821
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Speaker 3: the Attorney General Pam BONDI where she handed you this

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Speaker 3: binder as the Epstein Files Phase one. Now, it turned

823
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Speaker 3: out later on that most of that was publicly available information,

824
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Speaker 3: and Liz, you've since, especially since the letter released by

825
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Speaker 3: the DOJ, been very critical of Attorney General Pambondi. So

826
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Speaker 3: we wanted to give you a chance to somebody who

827
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Speaker 3: was basically used by the White House as part of

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Speaker 3: this event to talk about this go ahead.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, I think one of the most important things to

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Speaker 13: establish is that day at the White House in late February.

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Speaker 13: We were not invited there to meet with Pambondy. We

832
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Speaker 13: were not invited there to be given those infamous white

833
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Speaker 13: Epstein binders. We were actually invited as a really cool

834
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Speaker 13: initiative on the part of the White House. They invited

835
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Speaker 13: a bunch of new media personalities, conservative commentators, independent journalists

836
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Speaker 13: there and told us, listen, we're not going to reward

837
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Speaker 13: the mainstream media anymore for their propagandizing, their lying, their smearing.

838
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Speaker 13: We're going to start giving access to independent figures, which

839
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Speaker 13: means we're going to give you access today to all

840
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Speaker 13: of the top administration officials. So we actually spent the

841
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Speaker 13: day meeting with all the most of the cabinet secretaries

842
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Speaker 13: and a lot of the most powerful people in the

843
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Speaker 13: West wing, from the President, the Vice president and all

844
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Speaker 13: of his staff, and.

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Speaker 11: It was really cool.

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Speaker 13: Unfortunately it got hijacked, which from a personal perspective, is

847
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Speaker 13: very annoying and frustrating. Also a political issue for President

848
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Speaker 13: Trump that hasn't quite been put to bed yet. But

849
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Speaker 13: when we did meet with Pamboni, it was about a

850
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Speaker 13: fifteen minute meeting. The Attorney General came in, she talked

851
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Speaker 13: to us about some of the other initiatives that the

852
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Speaker 13: DJ is working on, and then towards the end of

853
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Speaker 13: the meeting, she hands us these binders, and of course

854
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Speaker 13: the cover sheet of that binder says the most transparent

855
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 13: administration in history. It says Phase one of the Epstein Files.

856
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Speaker 13: Our first reaction, of course, was oh my goodness, what

857
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Speaker 13: is this. She very quickly clarified that the juicy stuff,

858
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Speaker 13: the dirty stuff, wasn't in these binders. She said, when

859
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Speaker 13: I got into office, I immediately requested the Epstein files.

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Speaker 11: This is what I was given by the FBI.

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Speaker 13: But I thought one hundred pages, or however however many

862
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Speaker 13: pages that is, that can't be all of it. She's like,

863
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Speaker 13: and I soon came to realize that after a whistleblower,

864
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Speaker 13: she said, called me and told me the SDNA why

865
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Speaker 13: I was hiding other documents, truckloads of documents, the real

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Speaker 13: dirty stuff.

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Speaker 11: She told us.

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Speaker 13: The real story is that the FBI is stonewalling me.

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Speaker 13: The FBI is lying to me. That's the story. And

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Speaker 13: she offered that story to us to break. Now, that's

871
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Speaker 13: where things I don't even think, that's where things start

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Speaker 13: to go south. One of the things that I revealed

873
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Speaker 13: this week that I hadn't talked about before is one

874
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 13: of the first red flags for me is the Attorney

875
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:25,239
Speaker 13: General told us during that meeting that she created the

876
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 13: cover sheet on that binder. She was bragging about it.

877
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:29,279
Speaker 13: She said, you know, I made this, I put it

878
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 13: in here.

879
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 11: Look at this.

880
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 13: Isn't this beautiful? The most transparent administration in history? And

881
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 13: at the time, I'm like, what are you talking about,

882
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 13: especially given the fact that it didn't contain any of

883
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:41,799
Speaker 13: the bombshells that people had come to expect from the

884
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:44,719
Speaker 13: idea of the Epstein files. Of course, we want this

885
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 13: to be solved. We don't want someone who committed the

886
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 13: crimes that he committed to get away with it. If

887
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:51,240
Speaker 13: there's government cover up. We need that to be exposed.

888
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 13: It's why people have this visceral reaction to it. So

889
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 13: that never quite sat right with me. There was, of course,

890
00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 13: then the botched embargo. The picture that you showed on

891
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:02,640
Speaker 13: the screen, I think is also important to clarify.

892
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 11: We were never smiling about the Epstein binders.

893
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:08,319
Speaker 13: I know that's what the accusation on exes and I

894
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:11,279
Speaker 13: clarified this probably five minutes after it happened. We were

895
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 13: rushed out of the West Wing. You know, when you

896
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 13: go into the West Wing you put your phone in

897
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:17,279
Speaker 13: a secure box. You can't have technology in the West Wing.

898
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 13: So we had all of our stuff, our coats. It

899
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 13: was the middle of winter, the files. We'd met with

900
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 13: President Trump in the Oval Office, so we had some

901
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 13: hats and some coins and some pens.

902
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 11: It was really a cool experience. It's a white House

903
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:27,719
Speaker 11: for goodness sake.

904
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:31,800
Speaker 13: But the UK Prime Minister was set to join President

905
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:35,400
Speaker 13: Trump shortly and our meeting ran long. He arrived early,

906
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:37,920
Speaker 13: so we were kind of rushed unceremoniously out the back

907
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 13: door of the White House and we unintentionally ran into

908
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:43,799
Speaker 13: a gaggle of mainstream media on the grass in the back,

909
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 13: and you should have seen their faces, soger. They were

910
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 13: so bitter that we were invited into the White House,

911
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 13: that we were given access to these Cabinet secretaries. That's

912
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 13: what we were smiling about. Yeah, we were taunting them.

913
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 13: Of course, they were bitter, and they deserved to be bitter.

914
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 13: They lied and they propagandaized. So we were also giddy

915
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 13: because we had just been in the Oval, We had

916
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 13: just taken a collective vote that President Trump had asked

917
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:05,960
Speaker 13: us of which painting he should hang, George Washington or

918
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:07,920
Speaker 13: Ronald Reagan. I mean, you can't help but feel a

919
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:12,240
Speaker 13: high after an experience like that, notwithstanding the grizzly crimes

920
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 13: of the Epstein binders that was just in our arms

921
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:16,719
Speaker 13: with the rest of our stuff. Now I understand the

922
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 13: optics of it, and again it frustrates and annoys me

923
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 13: because I think some people, even on the right, allowed

924
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:25,279
Speaker 13: the mainstream media to define this story. They allowed the

925
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:28,760
Speaker 13: mainstream media to say, oh, look at these influencers smiling

926
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:30,840
Speaker 13: and dancing about these binders, Like, no, that's not what

927
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 13: the story was. We were told we could post this

928
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 13: stuff immediately, so we thought, okay, we need to set

929
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:38,759
Speaker 13: this record straight. It looks bad if people believe that

930
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:41,719
Speaker 13: we're smiling about the Epstein binders. So we posted the

931
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 13: pictures of them, say hey, we got access to this

932
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:44,800
Speaker 13: and we're going to give it to you.

933
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:45,799
Speaker 11: We're not gatekeeping this.

934
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 13: But then as soon as we posted that, we were

935
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 13: told retroactively that there was an embargo on the real story,

936
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:56,400
Speaker 13: which is the SDNY cover up, and on the contents

937
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 13: of the binders, because they didn't want questions during President

938
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:02,759
Speaker 13: Trump press conference with the UK Prime Minister to be

939
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 13: hijacked by questions about Epstein. Now that of course totally

940
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:09,279
Speaker 13: screwed us over because then it made it appear that

941
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:11,760
Speaker 13: we were engaging in gatekeeping.

942
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:12,640
Speaker 11: And clickbait and lying.

943
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 13: And I cannot even tell you, and I won't because

944
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 13: I want to keep this show family friendly. What kind

945
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:20,760
Speaker 13: of communications I don't want to speak for other people,

946
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 13: but what kind of communications I was having behind the

947
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 13: scenes with the White House at that time. I told them,

948
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 13: in no uncertain terms, they better lift that embargo stat

949
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:31,720
Speaker 13: because what this was doing not just to me, Sager,

950
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:34,400
Speaker 13: I mean, I'm but a small cog in this story,

951
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 13: but to their administration as a whole. You'd watch this

952
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 13: unfold it's like watching a train wreck. So obviously it

953
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 13: took us a little time I was going to respect.

954
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:45,160
Speaker 13: I chose to respect the White House's embargo, even though

955
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:48,480
Speaker 13: I thought it was a huge mistake, beyond a mistake,

956
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:51,279
Speaker 13: a severe labs in judgment. But by the time I

957
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:54,480
Speaker 13: posted the real story, people were already and I understand

958
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:59,399
Speaker 13: why angry about having seen those photos. So that's February, right,

959
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 13: And I was very transparent and very honest about how

960
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:03,759
Speaker 13: everything unfolded immediately. I did a lot of media in

961
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:05,960
Speaker 13: the days following. Even though some people told me to

962
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:09,240
Speaker 13: hunker down, I was like, absolutely not, Like the opposite

963
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 13: of hunkering down is going to happen here. I'm going

964
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 13: to tell the exact truth about what happened, and I

965
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:16,400
Speaker 13: don't care who it reflects badly on, because I'm just

966
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:18,920
Speaker 13: I pursue the truth, and that's why my audience respects me.

967
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 13: So fast forward to this weekend. I've given Attorney General

968
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 13: Pambonni the benefit of the doubt. You want to give

969
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:28,919
Speaker 13: people on your side the benefit of the doubt. I thought,

970
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 13: you know what, let's see if it's true. Let's see

971
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 13: if the SDNY actually does have other documents. That's very

972
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 13: believable because we know from sources within the intelligence community,

973
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:42,960
Speaker 13: especially the FBI, that there's been destruction of evidence. We

974
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:45,880
Speaker 13: know from the highest ranking officials in the FBI that

975
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:48,680
Speaker 13: they have tried to that the deep state swamp creatures

976
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 13: in the FBI have tried to hide evidence, even from

977
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:54,799
Speaker 13: the director and the deputy director. So it's very believable

978
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:59,880
Speaker 13: that that the SDNY would be hiding these documents from Pamboni,

979
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:02,960
Speaker 13: especially if if what we think what the evidence leads

980
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:05,719
Speaker 13: us to believe is true about the Epstein story is true.

981
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 13: So I give Pam Bondi the benefit of the doubt,

982
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 13: even though she had said I have the client list,

983
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:15,360
Speaker 13: it is on my desk. Well, then Sunday night happens

984
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:18,960
Speaker 13: and we get this memo, this unsigned, weird memo. I

985
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:21,440
Speaker 13: have no reason to think it's not it's not authentic,

986
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:23,399
Speaker 13: because the White House and the Department of Justice didn't

987
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 13: deny it. I think it's it's a real memo, and

988
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 13: it suddenly states unequivocally, a definitive pronouncement that there is

989
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 13: no client list, there is no blackmail, Epstein killed himself,

990
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 13: and that's again, you're not getting any other documents, done, deal,

991
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:40,840
Speaker 13: don't ask any questions, goodbye, And I'm like what, So

992
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 13: suddenly I'm in a position where I cannot square Pam

993
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:49,360
Speaker 13: Bondi's behavior from back in February, ragging about this cover sheet,

994
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:53,399
Speaker 13: making the cover sheet. I ask her directly on that day,

995
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:56,239
Speaker 13: have you seen the SDNY documents? And she told me

996
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:58,440
Speaker 13: on that day in the White House, across the hall

997
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 13: from the Oval Office, no, she had not seen those documents.

998
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:04,240
Speaker 13: So I'm left in a position thinking I can't square

999
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 13: her comments and her behavior that day with this Department

1000
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:12,319
Speaker 13: of Justice, this Apartment of Justice announcement. The only explanation

1001
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 13: that I can reasonably conclude is that she got out

1002
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:19,520
Speaker 13: over her skis. And that's the most generous term that

1003
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:21,880
Speaker 13: I can think of. Truthfully, it appears as though she's

1004
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:24,239
Speaker 13: click thirsty, that she wanted to be a Fox News star,

1005
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:26,400
Speaker 13: that she wanted to be a mega champion, and she

1006
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 13: made promises, made statements over promise and didn't deliver. And

1007
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 13: if I'm President Trump today, I am thinking very carefully

1008
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:38,879
Speaker 13: about the amount of political capital that Pam Bondi has

1009
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:42,239
Speaker 13: cost me, the fact that she has become a liability

1010
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 13: to the administration because this could all have been put

1011
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:47,520
Speaker 13: to bed. You and I and other people who are

1012
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 13: who feel strongly about learning the truth, discovering the truth

1013
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 13: about Epstein, we would have been like, Okay, if the

1014
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:57,160
Speaker 13: Department of Justice told us, listen, we got in here

1015
00:46:57,440 --> 00:46:59,000
Speaker 13: and the files are empty. We don't know what happened

1016
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:00,880
Speaker 13: to this stuff. We don't know if it's or hidden.

1017
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:03,359
Speaker 13: We don't have anything. We're just being honest with you.

1018
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:05,279
Speaker 13: Sure we would have been disappointed, but we would have

1019
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:09,400
Speaker 13: been like, Okay, that's believable. But to have this, these politicians,

1020
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:13,319
Speaker 13: these government officials tell us ignore the evidence before your

1021
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:17,960
Speaker 13: eyes and instead believe us without evidence. Soccer, there's not

1022
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 13: a politician in the world, no matter how strongly I

1023
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:21,919
Speaker 13: support that, I would extend that level of faith.

1024
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:25,279
Speaker 1: Joe, I assure you, how's your audience responding to this.

1025
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:27,600
Speaker 11: Good question?

1026
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 13: My audience that, I would say, my regular audience is

1027
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:33,680
Speaker 13: very much willing to listen. We're truth seekers, we are

1028
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:38,759
Speaker 13: natural skeptics, so we're used to challenging the status quo.

1029
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 13: I have been in this industry a long time, and

1030
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 13: anybody who has ever watched me knows that I don't

1031
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:46,880
Speaker 13: engage in hot takes. You make a deliberate choice at

1032
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:49,279
Speaker 13: the beginning of your career, right whether you're going to

1033
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 13: engage in clickbait, whether you're going to be deliberately bombastic

1034
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:56,240
Speaker 13: and hyperbolic in order to get views and become popular.

1035
00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 13: Like I said, I've been in this business a long time,

1036
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 13: and it's very clear to anybody who is analyzing it

1037
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 13: and analyzing me and good faith that I don't do that.

1038
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:05,799
Speaker 13: So my audience has been pretty wonderful. They've been very

1039
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:08,560
Speaker 13: interested in this story because this is what I told

1040
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:12,200
Speaker 13: President Trump yesterday. The reason people care about this story

1041
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:15,720
Speaker 13: is not necessarily because they care about Epstein the person himself.

1042
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:18,799
Speaker 13: It's not because they care about Epstein's list itself. It's

1043
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:21,720
Speaker 13: because of what it represents. We voted for President Trump

1044
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 13: because we want justice. We want justice for everything. We

1045
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:29,240
Speaker 13: want justice for Russia Gate, we want justice for censorship.

1046
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:31,920
Speaker 13: We want justice for January sixth. We want justice for COVID.

1047
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:35,040
Speaker 13: We want justice for FBI targeting of parents and Catholics

1048
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:38,080
Speaker 13: and pro lifers. We want justice for the phony Ukraine impeachment.

1049
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:42,120
Speaker 13: We want justice for all of these egregious abuses of power,

1050
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:45,480
Speaker 13: the weaponization of the federal government against US we've been

1051
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:49,080
Speaker 13: hurt defending President Trump and the America First agenda that

1052
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:49,799
Speaker 13: we share with him.

1053
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:51,840
Speaker 11: We have been hurt and we want justice.

1054
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:57,240
Speaker 13: Justice does not mean pushing these crimes into the past

1055
00:48:57,239 --> 00:49:01,680
Speaker 13: and simply moving forward. Justice means accountability, and accountability means

1056
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 13: identifying the people who committed the crimes, indicting them, arresting them,

1057
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:08,960
Speaker 13: and putting them on trial. And when we see the

1058
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:13,920
Speaker 13: Department of Justice again tell us, okay, well, this Epstein case,

1059
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:16,399
Speaker 13: which a lot of people feel as foundational, a bad

1060
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:20,040
Speaker 13: crime was committed, maybe politicians, rich and powerful people were involved,

1061
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:22,080
Speaker 13: and so he was held to a different standard of justice.

1062
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:25,200
Speaker 13: When they see this, they feel that this is injustice.

1063
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:28,880
Speaker 13: They feel they are not getting justice. Combined that with

1064
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:31,879
Speaker 13: the fact that Pam Bondi's Department of Justice, they've done

1065
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:34,799
Speaker 13: a lot of good things. I support many of the

1066
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:38,840
Speaker 13: things that she has done. However, on these really really

1067
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:42,040
Speaker 13: pivotal issues I mentioned a couple of them a second ago,

1068
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 13: we haven't seen the justice that we voted for, and

1069
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:48,320
Speaker 13: so it really resonates deeply and viscerally with his base,

1070
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:50,800
Speaker 13: many of whom are viewers of my show, that this

1071
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:53,160
Speaker 13: is not the correct course for him.

1072
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 3: And Liz, you know, I saw you say you could

1073
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:56,799
Speaker 3: put this on the screen. You said it's time to

1074
00:49:56,840 --> 00:50:00,480
Speaker 3: fire Pambondy. I also saw you react. We played earlier

1075
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:04,160
Speaker 3: a clip on our show of President Trump shutting down

1076
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:07,680
Speaker 3: the conversation about Epstein, and you said that this was

1077
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:10,880
Speaker 3: really an issue that he's getting away from his base on.

1078
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:13,160
Speaker 3: And so you know, part of the reason we wanted

1079
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:14,799
Speaker 3: to have you on the show is you were willing

1080
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:17,319
Speaker 3: to speak up here about how effectively the administration, like

1081
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:19,240
Speaker 3: you said, generously got over skize.

1082
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:20,920
Speaker 1: I would say, they lied to your face.

1083
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:24,799
Speaker 3: And so, as somebody who was basically used here by

1084
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:27,319
Speaker 3: the Trump administration in this way, why do you think

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Speaker 3: it's so important to try and hold them accountable after

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Speaker 3: not just what they did to you, because you know

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Speaker 3: you are representing people who voted for Donald Trump and

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Speaker 3: good faith some on this very issue.

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Speaker 13: Well, listen, I think the person who bears the responsibility

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Speaker 13: here as Attorney General Pambondi. And again I say this

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Speaker 13: somewhat sorrowfully. I am a true friend of the America

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Speaker 13: First agenda, which means that I'm going to tell the truth,

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Speaker 13: even when the truth has consequences, even when the truth

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Speaker 13: is unpleasant to hear. I always say that the truest

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Speaker 13: test of loyalty is whether you're willing to tell the

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Speaker 13: truth when it's uncomfortable, and constructive criticism helps sharpen the

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Speaker 13: effectiveness of the administration. So that's what I'm doing right now,

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Speaker 13: because this is a problem for President Trump, and it's

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Speaker 13: a problem.

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Speaker 11: It's an unforced error.

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Speaker 13: Attorney General Pambondi should have been smart enough, should have

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Speaker 13: been sharp enough. If you're the Attorney General of the

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Speaker 13: United States, for goodness sake, you should not simply take

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Speaker 13: the word of an anonymous phone call. If the whistleblower

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Speaker 13: was anonymous, anonymous to me at least, you don't just

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Speaker 13: accept the veracity of that and try to create a

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Speaker 13: news story out of it in order to portray yourself

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Speaker 13: as a mega champion. That means that you are at

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Speaker 13: best incompetent at pursuing power, pursuing fame. That is not

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Speaker 13: the right person for this job. And it didn't have

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Speaker 13: to happen. She didn't have to give us those binders.

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Speaker 13: She didn't have to misrepresent the truth. She didn't have

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Speaker 13: to say she had the files on her desk, she

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Speaker 13: didn't have to put out this Department of Justice memo,

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Speaker 13: the way that she did. None of this had to

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Speaker 13: happen the way that it did, and it's hurting President Trump.

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Speaker 11: So Sager.

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Speaker 13: There's a story that puntry singer John Rich tells about

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Speaker 13: having dinner with President Trump and President Trump turning to

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Speaker 13: him and say saying, why do people boo at my

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Speaker 13: rallies when I talk about the COVID vaccine? And President

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Speaker 13: Trump listened when John Rich told him because people have

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Speaker 13: been hurt by that job. And I think that this

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Speaker 13: is one of those moments. President Trump is so smart,

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Speaker 13: he's so strategic, he's so connected with his base, and

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Speaker 13: this is a moment to listen to why the base

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Speaker 13: cares about this. The base cares about this because we

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Speaker 13: voted for justice and we feel that this is a

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Speaker 13: canary in the coal mine of whether the Department of

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Speaker 13: Justice is going to actually pursue it.

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Speaker 11: Lat's administration.

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Speaker 13: We were told Hillary Clinton, you know, lock her up,

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Speaker 13: and it didn't happen.

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Speaker 11: We do not want that to be repeated.

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Speaker 13: And as I said, President Trump seems to be misrepresenting

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Speaker 13: or not listening to his base as well as he

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Speaker 13: does often in this case, but he's also very.

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Speaker 11: Good at course correction.

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Speaker 13: So I saw that video yesterday too in the cabinet meeting,

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Speaker 13: where he snapped at the report and said, why are

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Speaker 13: we still talking about this? And I hope that that's

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Speaker 13: not a rhetorical question for him. I hope he actually

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Speaker 13: turns to someone who cares about this and says, why

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Speaker 13: are people talking about this? Because when he hears the answer,

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Speaker 13: I think that it will make a difference.

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Speaker 1: Just real quick, you said you talked to you told

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Speaker 1: Trump yesterday. Did you mean just publicly or did you

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Speaker 1: talk to him privately?

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Speaker 7: No?

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Speaker 13: I I met on my show, I met in the

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Speaker 13: various media appearances. I keep private communications private out of

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Speaker 13: respect until until until the point at which you know

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Speaker 13: the country deserves to know.

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Speaker 3: Okay, all right, well, Liz, we appreciate you very much

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Speaker 3: for joining us and for giving us some of the

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Speaker 3: background on that story, and we'll see you later.

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Speaker 11: Thanks Soger