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Speaker 1: Diversion audio. A note this episode contains descriptions of violence

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Speaker 1: in listening. This series is based on historical characters and

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Speaker 1: real events. Some dialogue has been imagined for dramatic purposes

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Speaker 1: when no primary source material is available. Virginia Hall's prison

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Speaker 1: cell in San Juan de la Sabad, Sas small town

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Speaker 1: damn claustrophobic, with no company besides the rats. Virginia thought

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Speaker 1: sometimes the Nazis kept their prisoners alive and attempted to

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Speaker 1: to the British. She knew too much, and the Nazis

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Speaker 1: Virginia's information would be useless, and so she was as

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Speaker 1: Franco's regime is ideologically complex, and people still fight over

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Speaker 1: So Spain tended politically to like the Axis powers a lot.

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Speaker 1: That's Andrew or the historian who runs Kansas State University's

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Speaker 1: Institute for Military History. We've heard from him in previous episodes.

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Speaker 1: Once the US enters the war, Spain's position becomes even

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Speaker 1: more fraught. The Atlantic is now overwhelmingly in Allied hands.

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Speaker 1: It was already under British control that Spain was dependent

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Speaker 1: for her capture. Hello, do you hear me? If anything

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Speaker 1: We've gone back and then you'll get your answers soon.

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Speaker 1: and Klaus Barbie. I'm Stephen Talty and from diversion, this

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Speaker 1: is good Assassin's Season two. Being killed would be the

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Speaker 1: I believe I have found the nest of the Limping Lady.

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Speaker 1: Episode eight, The Return of the Limping Lady. Yes, Doctor Say, Yes,

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Speaker 1: Back in Leone, France, the Gestapo had appeared at the

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Speaker 1: posing as a priest aiding the freedom fighters. Doctor Hussay

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Speaker 1: no denial. No, I'm not denying anything except it didn't

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Speaker 1: it's there on the poster. Marie Mona interrogation. It's not

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Speaker 1: after hours of intensive questioning, who say never broke? He

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Speaker 1: just as he would anyone, and he had nothing to hide.

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Speaker 1: What he didn't know was that back at his home,

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Speaker 1: doctor's life. You must think of doctor who says, well,

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Speaker 1: being madame, my superiors, I have different methods than I.

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Speaker 1: At this very moment, the good doctor is likely being flayed.

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Speaker 1: Over time, beats of him become strips, and the strips

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Speaker 1: And you are the only one who can stop this.

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Speaker 1: The maid didn't know Virginia's real name, but she knew

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Speaker 1: The Gestapo arrested Dr Roussey and sent him to Friend Prison,

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Speaker 1: he would remain for eighteen ruling months. Yeah mhm, damn it.

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Speaker 1: Enjoy your stay, yank. Back in northern Spain, Virginia was

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Speaker 1: Elena Minamres Maria. Elena explained that she had been in

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Speaker 1: judging by her brittle voice and fragile appearance, Virginia wasn't

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Speaker 1: As Elena's release state approached, she asked Virginia to write

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Speaker 1: Elena did survive her sentence, and when she was finally released,

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Speaker 1: Virginia allowed herself a morsel of hope, you can trust

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Speaker 1: me money. Twenty days after Virginia's arrest, a man appeared

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Speaker 1: December two, Virginia was a free woman, all thanks to

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Speaker 1: Alesh and bring him to justice. After the break, Virginia

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Speaker 1: takes the fight back to the Nazis. Hi. This is

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Speaker 1: Virginia Hall's returned to France would be long fought. That

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Speaker 1: I've given it a good four months. Anyhow, I always

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Speaker 1: But I don't and can't. I'm not doing a job.

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Speaker 1: I am simply living pleasantly and wasting time. It isn't

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Speaker 1: And if I'm willing to get a crook in it

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Speaker 1: I put it up to you. The response from Colonel

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Speaker 1: Buckmaster was less than enthusiastic. I know all about the

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Speaker 1: frustrated was an understatement. After all the great work she'd

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Speaker 1: the year Ninet had rolled in. Multiple attempts to return

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Speaker 1: of Good Assassins. Finally, on June one, at nine o'clock

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