Speaker 1: Look out, there's only films to be buried with. Hello,
Speaker 1: and welcome to films to be buried with. My name
Speaker 1: is Brett Goldstein. I'm a comedian, an actor, a writer,
Speaker 1: a director, a paleontologist, and I love films. As jose
Speaker 1: N Harris once said, tears shed for another person are
Speaker 1: not a sign of weakness. They're a sign of a
Speaker 1: pure heart. And if another person in real life doesn't
Speaker 1: make you cry, try watching the film All of Us Strangers.
Speaker 1: It's fucking beautiful. If you're not a rex, seeing that,
Speaker 1: you're probably a sociopath. So good luck finding out. Every
Speaker 1: week i'mvite a special guest over. I tell them they've died.
Speaker 1: Then I get them to discuss their life through the
Speaker 1: films to mend the most of them. Previous guests include
Speaker 1: Barry Jenkins, Sharon Stone, Jamila Jamil and even Cleed Blambles.
Speaker 1: But this week it's the brilliant comedian writer and actor
Speaker 1: Joel Kim Booster. Head over to the Patreon at patreon
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Speaker 1: you get a secret from you get us talking about
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Speaker 1: slash Brett Goldstein. Also, I have extended my American stand
Speaker 1: up tour. So if you're in America and you're in
Speaker 1: a place I'm probably playing it, look it up on
Speaker 1: the internet. Come and see me. We'll have a rides
Speaker 1: old time. So Joel Kim Booster is a brilliant stand
Speaker 1: up movie star and writer. He wrote the brilliant film
Speaker 1: Fire Island. He's very good at every single thing he does.
Speaker 1: You know him, you love him. We recorded this on
Speaker 1: Zoom very recently. He's got a new show coming out,
Speaker 1: which we talk about on the podcast. I really think
Speaker 1: you're going to enjoy this one. So that is it
Speaker 1: for now. I very much hope you enjoy episode two
Speaker 1: hundred and eighty two of Films to be Buried With. Hello,
Speaker 1: and welcome to Films to be Buried With. It is
Speaker 1: I Brett Goldste and I'm joined today by an actor,
Speaker 1: a writer, a producer, a podcaster, a stand up comedian,
Speaker 1: an award winner, a legend, a hero, a looter, a
Speaker 1: fire islander, a big mouth, a everything. There's nothing he
Speaker 1: can't do here he is. I can't believe he's here.
Speaker 1: Can you believe he's here? He is? So get used
Speaker 1: to it. Here he is is here right now. It's
Speaker 1: mister joking, bister.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, what an intro. I don't you know people
Speaker 2: always say this when they're being insured on podcasts, but
Speaker 2: I don't think I've ever had a better one. I
Speaker 2: did get a littles frightened. I didn't realize what you were,
Speaker 2: what you were going with. But when you said he's
Speaker 2: a louter, I was like, oh my god. I was like,
Speaker 2: why did I get caught on camera doing? How does
Speaker 2: he know?
Speaker 1: Let's talk about January sixth? But then I caught on.
Speaker 1: So it's been good. I'm so happy to be here.
Speaker 1: It's lovely to I will say right off the bat, though.
Speaker 2: So I have had the flu all week, and I
Speaker 2: had the best of intentions of like coming in here
Speaker 2: like super prepped with an answer, like with a really
Speaker 2: thought out answer for every one of the movies. But
Speaker 2: aside from listening to a bunch of episodes of your podcast,
Speaker 2: I did none of that work. So a lot of
Speaker 2: these answers will be fully off the top of my
Speaker 2: head and just by instinct alone. So if you're listening
Speaker 2: to this and you have our work done one of
Speaker 2: the movies or love one of the movies that I
Speaker 2: talk about here, please know that it is just my
Speaker 2: gut going with my gut here for every answer.
Speaker 1: I love it. What I will say is, if you
Speaker 1: choose to do it this way, and some people do,
Speaker 1: it's brilliant. It'll be brilliant. But in four days, I
Speaker 1: guarantee you're going to text me, oh my god, why
Speaker 1: didn't I say? Yeah, it's true. I know people are
Speaker 1: going to think, I don't know about that film. How
Speaker 1: are you? What are you doing? Have you been doing
Speaker 1: more late? What are you doing? Where are you? What's
Speaker 1: happening in your life?
Speaker 2: We finished with Lupa for the break. Obviously we only
Speaker 2: I only have like five days left to shoot on
Speaker 2: it after post strike because we got most of it
Speaker 2: done at the beginning of last year, and the strike
Speaker 2: of course had other plans. But no, I mean, let's
Speaker 2: see what I do. I was in Mexico City for
Speaker 2: New Year's had a friend's wedding there. I spent New
Speaker 2: Year's there. Incredible city, beautiful city, like one of the
Speaker 2: most beautiful North American cities I've ever been to, just
Speaker 2: like truly remarkable in every way, food, culture, shopping, you know,
Speaker 2: just like the aesthetic of the city itself is so
Speaker 2: beautiful and wild and urban at the same time. It's
Speaker 2: really really great. And then this is sort of I
Speaker 2: think I was telling you before we got on this
Speaker 2: is kind of the first thing I've done I've had
Speaker 2: to do since getting back. I went to the Creative
Speaker 2: Arts Emmys, the shmemmis over the week.
Speaker 1: How was its?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm what that's where we think we where we
Speaker 2: think I got it. Yeah, it was interesting. It was
Speaker 2: interesting to be at the non television Emmys and just
Speaker 2: like the different vibe is it? Yeah, it's the wild
Speaker 2: wild West compared to the televised Emis. You know, No,
Speaker 2: everybody knows that there aren't really cameras on them for
Speaker 2: this one, and so everyone's sort of letting loose in
Speaker 2: a way they wouldn't normally. Not really obviously.
Speaker 1: I will say it was.
Speaker 2: Funny they gave you know, the Creative our Semis. I'm
Speaker 2: so glad that they exist to honor people in departments
Speaker 2: that don't normally get honored at award shows or you
Speaker 2: at least don't see them televised at all. But then
Speaker 2: they proceeded to give every like costume designer like roughly
Speaker 2: twenty five seconds to speak before they started playing them off,
Speaker 2: and so it felt sort of like a double I
Speaker 2: don't know, insult to injury sort of situation where they're like,
Speaker 2: we're not going to put you on TV. And also
Speaker 2: for this this event that could technically go as long
Speaker 2: as we wanted it to be, we're only giving you
Speaker 2: twenty seconds before we play you off.
Speaker 1: We're here to honor you. We don't want to see
Speaker 1: you and we don't want to hear you, but we're
Speaker 1: here to.
Speaker 2: Yeah, which ultimately, like you know, after I've been for
Speaker 2: most of my life and I obviously have seen a
Speaker 2: lot of acceptance speeches because of that, and honest, at
Speaker 2: this point, I would like to hear what the production
Speaker 2: designer for the Last of Us has to say over
Speaker 2: you know, I don't need to hear Laura Lenny give
Speaker 2: another speech. I love it, but you know, let me
Speaker 2: hear what the ladies who costumed Beef have to say.
Speaker 1: You know, you made the film Fire Island, which is excellent.
Speaker 1: Are you going to do more films? Right? Have you?
Speaker 1: Got more films that you have written.
Speaker 2: Yeah, actually, so I am working on my next one
Speaker 2: right now, and it is technically sold to a place,
Speaker 2: a studio, and we're working on whether or not it's
Speaker 2: actually going to happen. You know, that ar choice process
Speaker 2: right now, and I'm excited about it. It's this one's
Speaker 2: a wedding comedy, and so it's actually much smaller and
Speaker 2: scope than Fire Island. But what I hope to do,
Speaker 2: because you know, everybody is up my ass about you know, oh,
Speaker 2: is there going to be a Fire Island sequel? Which
Speaker 2: I think people think they want because you know, and
Speaker 2: I'm so appreciative of it because it means they like
Speaker 2: the first movie, the Fire Island in general. But I
Speaker 2: don't think you can name a lot of great comedy sequels,
Speaker 2: you know, Like when I think of comedy sequels other
Speaker 2: than the I can think of one good one, one
Speaker 2: standout one. But I tend to think of like Miscongeniality Too,
Speaker 2: or legally.
Speaker 1: Blonde, Red White and Blonde Austin bower Is check me,
Speaker 1: you know that.
Speaker 2: That could be an example of a good one. I
Speaker 2: think they work better when they're sort of cartoons to
Speaker 2: begin with. You know, like they're not like Austin Powers
Speaker 2: Too is not necessarily concerned with continuity with its other movies,
Speaker 2: you know, like that's not the kind of movie it is.
Speaker 2: And so I think when you can be a movie
Speaker 2: that sort of exists outside of continuity, it's a little
Speaker 2: bit easier. And I think most of the but like
Speaker 2: in terms of like grounded comedies, it's really hard to
Speaker 2: jump back into those worlds. Like the one that I
Speaker 2: can think of that is really good, that surpasses the
Speaker 2: original maybe is distract.
Speaker 1: To Yeah, well, I guess because I was just thinking
Speaker 1: about like Bridge Giants's Diary, which is also a take
Speaker 1: on Pride, and yeah, and I guess the issue with
Speaker 1: a sequel you sort of have to break everyone up again.
Speaker 1: So yeah, and we like them being together. It is tricky.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've always said that, like if I if I
Speaker 2: ever had like an amazing idea for this story for
Speaker 2: a sequel, then I would consider it. But I'm not
Speaker 2: gonna you know, because like Fox ritually and Hulu they
Speaker 2: were down. They were like asking me about sequel stuff
Speaker 2: when the movie first came out, and I was like, well,
Speaker 2: I'm not going to reverse engineer it. I'm not gonna
Speaker 2: be like, Okay, I have to write a sequel. What
Speaker 2: should it be? You know, Like if I come up
Speaker 2: with what it should be, then I will write the sequel.
Speaker 2: But I think what I ultimately hope to do that
Speaker 2: I think will scratch a lot of people's that itch
Speaker 2: for a lot of people is I'm just going to
Speaker 2: keep casting the same people.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's great. That's the way I did have it,
Speaker 1: like Troop.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like I you know, Christopher Guest didn't. I think,
Speaker 2: like nobody needs a equal to Best in Show, But
Speaker 2: we have, you know, for your consideration, and Guffman and
Speaker 2: all these other movies in a Mighty Wind where we
Speaker 2: get to hang out with essentially the same people again.
Speaker 2: And I think that's what people were drawn to about
Speaker 2: Fire Island. And I think like the chemistry of those
Speaker 2: characters and us as real life friends and actors, Like,
Speaker 2: I think that's what people really appreciated about that movie.
Speaker 2: And I think I can better honor that by just
Speaker 2: making better like continuing to make new movies, new stories,
Speaker 2: and just reusing the same people that I love to
Speaker 2: work with so much.
Speaker 1: And that's fucking smart. That is smart. I really like
Speaker 1: Fire Island and I really like respected. How I hate
Speaker 1: to use this word, but I'm going to use it raunchy.
Speaker 1: It was raunchy. Yeah, r raunchy film. That's so rare.
Speaker 1: I'm really interested in how rare sort of sex stuff
Speaker 1: is in mainstream cinema. And I wondered if that was
Speaker 1: something you had to fight for or if everyone was
Speaker 1: on board from the beginning or it was a problem.
Speaker 2: You know, there were at least like two sex scenes
Speaker 2: cut out, all right, but we're still the first orgy
Speaker 2: on Disney Plus internationally, so you know, you we lost
Speaker 2: some battles, but we we won the more. I think
Speaker 2: it is funny people have said this what you just
Speaker 2: said to me before. But I also get a lot
Speaker 2: of fuck for it not being sexually enough, which is
Speaker 2: so funny to me. Like, for as much as my
Speaker 2: characters talk about sex in that movie, no one's fucking
Speaker 2: really out of the main cast. It is like periphery
Speaker 2: and like it's like little hook ups here and there.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I hope I hope to include even more
Speaker 2: explicit X rated red band sex in my next movie.
Speaker 1: Yeah, last place I saw you was it Laga where
Speaker 1: it was your excellent stand up shop you did forty
Speaker 1: five minutes, which you said was new, but it was
Speaker 1: so good. I was like this, Yeah, it's too good,
Speaker 1: But are you guying on Tory? You didn't you too?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just did a show in Seattle last weekend,
Speaker 2: and I'm going to San Francisco next weekend and doing
Speaker 2: a lot of like I'm doing like a little mini
Speaker 2: Pacific Northwest tour in February where I'll probably hit like
Speaker 2: Portland and Vancouver and just trying to hit all of
Speaker 2: the Pacific Northwest really for now. And then, Yeah, it
Speaker 2: really depends on what happens with this movie. I guess
Speaker 2: it sort of shapes the rest of my year as
Speaker 2: a stand up. That's like the most frustrating thing. And
Speaker 2: I'm sure you understand is that, like I came up
Speaker 2: as a stand up and that's all I ever did,
Speaker 2: and then the more successful I became as a stand up,
Speaker 2: the less I'm able to do stand up, Which is
Speaker 2: the funny sort of catchup being successful in this industry
Speaker 2: is you come up as a stand up and then suddenly,
Speaker 2: as soon as you hit a certain level of success,
Speaker 2: everybody asks you to do everything but stand up. And
Speaker 2: don't get me wrong, I'm really grateful for all the
Speaker 2: work outside of stand up that I'm able to do.
Speaker 2: I love to write, I love to act, and those
Speaker 2: other things unfortunately happened to pay a lot more than
Speaker 2: stand up traditionally does. So yeah, it is funny. But
Speaker 2: I will continue to do stand up until I have
Speaker 2: nothing left to say, I guess, But for now, it's
Speaker 2: definitely like sort of a privilege to find time in
Speaker 2: my schedule to be able to do it.
Speaker 1: I don't think you're ever gonna run out of things
Speaker 1: to say. I keep thinking about this. This is Billy Joel, right,
Speaker 1: the greatest Billy Joel. He wrote a song called Famous
Speaker 1: last Words on his River of Drames album, which is
Speaker 1: the last song, and in Famous last Words he says,
Speaker 1: these are the last words I have to say. And
Speaker 1: then ever since, he's only written classical music. He hasn't
Speaker 1: written a new song with lyrics since. And that was
Speaker 1: like twenty years ago or something, And I'm like, you, really,
Speaker 1: you didn't have anything else to say. I don't believe it.
Speaker 2: I wonder if he regrets that now, Like I wonder
Speaker 2: if part of him is like, I do have a
Speaker 2: couple songs.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I always think, I bet you guys. Fuck,
Speaker 1: I shouldn't have said that.
Speaker 2: I said the thing so put the nail on the
Speaker 2: coffin prematurely.
Speaker 1: And he's a man of his word and I respect it. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I don't know, though, because here's the thing, Like I
Speaker 2: will say this, like it's already the way my life
Speaker 2: has shifted in the last five or so years, it's
Speaker 2: already become harder to find things to talk about that
Speaker 2: I think will be universal or relatable, you know, because
Speaker 2: like the more like when I was coming up in
Speaker 2: New York and I was working fifty hours a week
Speaker 2: and then going to open MIC's at night, and like
Speaker 2: I had a regular desk job, I was paying rent,
Speaker 2: I was miserable, I was broke, you know, I was desperate,
Speaker 2: and like those were the golden years for me in
Speaker 2: terms of joke writing. Like I think like all my
Speaker 2: best jokes came from that period of my life. And
Speaker 2: now that I'm like comfortable and not fighting for my
Speaker 2: life every day and don't have a regular job anymore,
Speaker 2: Like I can feel sort of the zone of interest
Speaker 2: sort of shrieking and shrinking around the kinds of things
Speaker 2: that I want to talk about, and I just don't
Speaker 2: like you. See you do see some of these uber
Speaker 2: wealthy comics get to a certain point where it's like, oh,
Speaker 2: you're not even been dealing with regular human beings anymore.
Speaker 2: Like you, you obviously don't have anything pertinent to say
Speaker 2: to speak to the average person's you know, life experience anymore.
Speaker 2: And I don't want to be one of those comics,
Speaker 2: like I actually do want to. I want to bowl
Speaker 2: a Billy Joel and be like, Okay, I think I've
Speaker 2: I've I've got it. I've reached that point. I'm too rich,
Speaker 2: I'm too successful, I'm too comfortable to have anything interesting
Speaker 2: to say anymore. And I'm just going to enjoy that.
Speaker 2: I'm going to enjoy my my time and my money
Speaker 2: and my comfort instead of trying to pretend like I
Speaker 2: have any basic understanding of the suffering that's going on
Speaker 2: in this country anymore.
Speaker 1: J Yeah, I love it, joking Booster. I've forgotten to
Speaker 1: tell you something. It's really annoying because I should have
Speaker 1: told you at the beginning of the of the podcast.
Speaker 1: Oh fuck, And I should have told you what I
Speaker 1: love doing that. I'm so sorry. I just have to say,
Speaker 1: because otherwise it's going to be awkward. You've died, You're dead?
Speaker 2: No, oh yeah, Oh that's so sad.
Speaker 1: It is sad. It is sad. It's so much to do.
Speaker 1: I know you hadn't pulled your Billy Joe yet.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: How did you die?
Speaker 2: I died in It was a car accident and I
Speaker 2: was in an uber I wasn't even driving. It was
Speaker 2: an uber pool I was. We weren't even on the
Speaker 2: way to my destination. We were on the way to
Speaker 2: someone else's destination. Yeah, and I bet you still get
Speaker 2: five stars. Oh, always, always, Yeah. In the car it
Speaker 2: was packed to the gills. There were four of us,
Speaker 2: four passengers, four passengers in a in a Corolla.
Speaker 1: Did it happen quick?
Speaker 2: Oh no, it was painful and it was long and
Speaker 2: I had to wait for two other people to die
Speaker 2: before I was allowed to die.
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was terrible. Thank you.
Speaker 1: That's terrible. Do you worry about death?
Speaker 2: I worry about death constantly. And it's weird in so
Speaker 2: I I've been dating my boyfriend for coming up on
Speaker 2: three years now, and it's weird when you are in
Speaker 2: love with someone. How I've always I've been so death
Speaker 2: neurotic my entire life. Like since I was a child,
Speaker 2: I think about my own death constantly and that, but
Speaker 2: like in the last couple of years, it had just
Speaker 2: shifted entirely to me thinking about his death constantly and
Speaker 2: like worrying about.
Speaker 1: Like that's living him and like, yeah it is.
Speaker 2: It's so morbid, but it is. It is a sign
Speaker 2: for me that I am deeply, truly in love with
Speaker 2: this person. Is because I am thinking so much more
Speaker 2: about his death than mine. And it's like bad because
Speaker 2: I was I'm always like I don't should I be
Speaker 2: putting this out into the universe, like.
Speaker 1: This energy, No, this is safe, this is give me
Speaker 1: it safe.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah no, I like I could make myself
Speaker 2: cry in front of you today if I thought about
Speaker 2: him dying, which I do constantly. I am like, I'll
Speaker 2: like sit, I'll wake up in bed, I'll like see
Speaker 2: him there sleeping, and I'll just stare at him sleeping
Speaker 2: for like twenty minutes, running through all the way so
Speaker 2: he could die that day, and then just weeping silently
Speaker 2: while I wait for him to wake up. And then
Speaker 2: he'll like oftentimes like wake up and be like what
Speaker 2: is wrong with you? What's going on?
Speaker 1: What is the spot that I'm waking up into what's
Speaker 1: an average amount of whys you imagine him dying in
Speaker 1: the morning? Like, do you keep coming up with more
Speaker 1: and more obscure ways to die?
Speaker 2: Oh? More elaborate every time, more ridiculous every time, Like
Speaker 2: it is, there is no end to my creative imagination
Speaker 2: around the ways my boyfriend could die or be maimed.
Speaker 1: Well, that seems like a good use of your at a
Speaker 1: time and brain, Yeah, I get it. Do you then
Speaker 1: follow it through to like what you'd say at the funeral?
Speaker 2: And yeah, oh absolutely, Well, you know I have a
Speaker 2: document on my Google drive that is frequently updated with
Speaker 2: all the information for what I want to happen at
Speaker 2: my funeral.
Speaker 1: Tell me everything, please, It's just like.
Speaker 2: The music choices, hallbearers people. I want to speak people.
Speaker 2: I want to perform and or sing and or read.
Speaker 1: What's the song as you as your coffin is brought it?
Speaker 2: So? I want it all to be house music, like
Speaker 2: disco house music, And I think it would be sort
Speaker 2: of it would be sort of funny, sort of cringey,
Speaker 2: sort of corny, but so appropriate. If they played last
Speaker 2: Dance as they're bringing in my coffin, It's like a
Speaker 2: little too on the nose, but also because it was
Speaker 2: so prominently featured in my movie and it's one of
Speaker 2: my favorite songs of all time. I think that is
Speaker 2: like that's sort of where we're at right now. But again,
Speaker 2: in a couple of years that could change. There could
Speaker 2: be a more iconic song that I would like associated
Speaker 2: with my death. But this is a fun thought exercise.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I like to stop sometimes and think, like, if I
Speaker 2: were to get married today, who in my life would
Speaker 2: be in my wedding part? And it's a really clarifying
Speaker 2: thought exercise because it really makes you think of like
Speaker 2: the people not only that you're close to that would
Speaker 2: want to do something like that, but like sort of
Speaker 2: the symbolism around the people that you choose, Like who
Speaker 2: am I choose today? And if you're already married and
Speaker 2: can't do this thought exercise, do the same thing but
Speaker 2: with your pallbearers. If you were to die today, who
Speaker 2: would be carrying the casket? Really think? Yeah, and would
Speaker 2: it be the same people that you would have stand
Speaker 2: up for you in your wedding? That's another question because
Speaker 2: then with pallbearers you have to think about, you know,
Speaker 2: height differentials, who's strong enough to do it? You know
Speaker 2: all that?
Speaker 1: Are they the same people you would code to bring
Speaker 1: a shovel to meet you in the desert?
Speaker 2: You know, that's a really Actually, that's a wrinkle to
Speaker 2: the thought exercise I had never thought of before. It's
Speaker 2: definitely going to be added into daily thought exercise now because.
Speaker 1: It might not be he might actually go like that,
Speaker 1: I don't want to let those people know about what
Speaker 1: happened in the day.
Speaker 2: No, absolutely, And like, honestly, like I was talking to
Speaker 2: my boyfriend about this recently, where I was like, the
Speaker 2: person that I would have be my best man now
Speaker 2: isn't someone that I would consider necessarily even my best friend,
Speaker 2: but just like the person that I trust the most
Speaker 2: to be able to handle all of the shit jobs
Speaker 2: that go along with being best.
Speaker 1: You know, surely it's like the best comedian, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh absolutely, who's going to get the best speech,
Speaker 2: but also be able to handle organizing a bachelor party
Speaker 2: and like the duties of being a best man and
Speaker 2: all of that. Because it's not always this, It doesn't
Speaker 2: always align the way you think it will.
Speaker 1: What do you think happens after you die? I think
Speaker 1: that's enough to life.
Speaker 2: Oh, it's so tough because I grew up very very Christian,
Speaker 2: very evangelical, very conservative, and so like, there's always this
Speaker 2: part of my brain that like would love to believe
Speaker 2: that heaven and Hell exists, but I don't. I don't
Speaker 2: think there is necessarily an afterlife. I do think that, like,
Speaker 2: you know, it's funny. I once interviewed for a comedy
Speaker 2: show this ghost debunker who like goes around and debunks
Speaker 2: ghosts and things like that. But his thing isn't that like,
Speaker 2: oh it's the pipes or the electricity or whatever. His
Speaker 2: thing is that, like, when something really awful happens surrounding
Speaker 2: your death, if it's like emotionally traumatic or violent and
Speaker 2: full of hate, you know, as a lot of murders
Speaker 2: are or something like, that leaves an energetic imprint on
Speaker 2: the space, and so what people are experiencing is often
Speaker 2: not like someone's consciousness that is living on past death,
Speaker 2: but sort of like an echo or like an imprint
Speaker 2: of energy that was left in that space when something
Speaker 2: really really traumatic or violent happens. And like, I don't know,
Speaker 2: as that is certainly what I sort of buy is
Speaker 2: that we might not live on our consciousness and I
Speaker 2: might not live on completely intact, Like I might not
Speaker 2: be a conscious ghost walking around being like this is
Speaker 2: my unfinished business and I'm gonna like observe everything that's
Speaker 2: going on in the meantime. It might just be like
Speaker 2: a feedback loop of whatever emotion I was feeling surrounding
Speaker 2: my death. And that is like being played over and
Speaker 2: over again in this space because I've experienced things before
Speaker 2: in the past that I can't quite explain, you know,
Speaker 2: in quote unquote haunted spaces, and like I'm hard pressed
Speaker 2: to believe that ghosts exist, but I do believe that,
Speaker 2: like energy does a spaces like that.
Speaker 1: Can you tell me one thing that happened in a
Speaker 1: haunted place.
Speaker 2: We were in the hotel where the shining took place,
Speaker 2: and we were staying there, and we were staying in
Speaker 2: like specifically one of the rooms that entrip Advisor was
Speaker 2: widely to believe to be haunted. And again this could
Speaker 2: be an electricity thing, but like you could just feel
Speaker 2: something in that room was off, even before we knew
Speaker 2: that it was one of the haunted rooms. And I
Speaker 2: just remember like washing my face, turning off the light,
Speaker 2: going to bed, and then the full switch just flipping
Speaker 2: up and turning on, and it wasn't an electrical issue.
Speaker 2: It wasn't like the switch had always been up. And
Speaker 2: then like I don't know, it was just like really
Speaker 2: weird and you could just and we never fell alone
Speaker 2: in that room.
Speaker 1: I love it.
Speaker 2: It was very very creepy, and I remember going to
Speaker 2: the front desk and being like, the room thirteen, like no,
Speaker 2: this is what we asked. We were like, oh, like
Speaker 2: this hotel isn't really haunted it, and he was like, no, no,
Speaker 2: of course not. Like the night manager was like, that's ridiculous,
Speaker 2: Like this hotel isn't haunt well unless you're talking about
Speaker 2: room thirteen, which is of course the room we were saying,
Speaker 2: and you know, I don't remember it was room thirteen
Speaker 2: or what number it was, but he's just said, verbatim,
Speaker 2: are room. And I was like, oh, this is fucked.
Speaker 1: I love it.
Speaker 2: But again, really really violent murder suicide happened in that room.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it'd have to be. Yeah, well listen up, there's news. Okay,
Speaker 1: there is a heaven after all, and you're in it.
Speaker 1: They're very excited to have you there. You get right in,
Speaker 1: They love you there. It's filled with your favorite thing.
Speaker 1: What's your favorite thing?
Speaker 2: Drugs?
Speaker 1: Okay, it's absolutely filled with drugs. There is drugs as
Speaker 1: far as it's like a candy shop for drugs. Drugs.
Speaker 1: You're sitting on drugs. There's so many drugs.
Speaker 2: And I'm already dead, so nothing bad can happen to me.
Speaker 1: Nothing bad could happen. There's no come down. This is
Speaker 1: just all come up.
Speaker 2: The one downside of drugs gone amazing.
Speaker 1: It's amazing. It's just like and it's like pure shit,
Speaker 1: like this is good drugs. And everyone is very excited
Speaker 1: to see you, as they will be. They're all high,
Speaker 1: and they want to know about your life. But they
Speaker 1: want to know about your life through film. And the
Speaker 1: first thing these druggies want to know is the first film.
Speaker 1: You remember seeing.
Speaker 2: The first film. So there's a couple of answers to this.
Speaker 2: Two answers to this. One answer is like the first movie.
Speaker 2: I can like consciously remember watching a scene from which
Speaker 2: is Beauty and the Beast, the Disney movie.
Speaker 1: One of the time greats.
Speaker 2: I remember specifically being terrified by the opening, yeah, the
Speaker 2: prologue to that movie with the Witch and everything like that.
Speaker 2: I remember being terrified by like the pane glass windows
Speaker 2: depicting what happened one went down. So that's the first
Speaker 2: movie I can remember seeing, the first movie I remember
Speaker 2: seeing in theaters, So that was the Santa Claus with
Speaker 2: Tim Allen. Great film, and that I think is the
Speaker 2: first movie we saw in theaters that I Do.
Speaker 1: You remember thinking I went in on this.
Speaker 2: I don't think so quite yet, especially not with Beauty
Speaker 2: and the Beast, because I wasn't a moron and I
Speaker 2: knew I couldn't be in that film because it was
Speaker 2: cartoons that were in that film.
Speaker 1: Well, you were very ahead of your time.
Speaker 2: I didn't understand about voice acting yet, had no idea
Speaker 2: what went on to get those cartoons on the screen,
Speaker 2: but just knew it couldn't be me. And then I
Speaker 2: found Tim Allen to be pretty repulsive from the jump.
Speaker 2: Even as a child. I knew something was off there,
Speaker 2: and I had no interest in being in sharing a
Speaker 2: space with him, even as much as I love that film.
Speaker 1: It's a great film. What is the film that made
Speaker 1: you cry the mice? Are you a crier?
Speaker 2: I am. I'm a big triumph crier. This is not
Speaker 2: my answer, but this is a good example of a
Speaker 2: film that a moment that I've cried in a movie
Speaker 2: that like, this kind of moment will always get me,
Speaker 2: and that is when they save Matt Damon in The Martian,
Speaker 2: when it like when the plan goes off without a
Speaker 2: he it like when that moment happens, and like they're
Speaker 2: all like, yes, we did it. Sob full, sobbing in
Speaker 2: the theater, cannot control myself. The movie that I cried
Speaker 2: the hardest to and it's because there's like a lot
Speaker 2: of contextual things that are surrounding that. A. I'd just
Speaker 2: been broken up with. B. I was on an airplane.
Speaker 2: See it was the first time I'd ever seen this film.
Speaker 2: When Harry met Sally. Oh at the end, lost my
Speaker 2: goddamn mind on that flight, to the point where the
Speaker 2: woman sitting next to me was like, are you okay?
Speaker 2: Like it was so it was such an awful time
Speaker 2: in my life romantically. And I just remember, like I
Speaker 2: was flying to LA for a job, like my second
Speaker 2: writing job ever, and I was like, oh, I'll check
Speaker 2: out this when Harry met Sally bullshit, I love Nora
Speaker 2: Ephron whatever, and I just like could not compute the
Speaker 2: romance and the happiness and the you know, all of
Speaker 2: it in the midst of my own heartbreak and the altitude,
Speaker 2: which I've heard I've since heard like maybe not might
Speaker 2: not be a thing as much as people say it
Speaker 2: is that like the altitude makes you cry easier.
Speaker 1: Then why is everyone grind?
Speaker 2: I don't know, but I just anecdotally will say I
Speaker 2: haven't cried that hard in a movie ever since, So
Speaker 2: maybe it was all breakup. But I do think it
Speaker 2: part of I'm gonna blame the altitude. I'm part of it.
Speaker 1: There has to be I'm always crying on a plane.
Speaker 1: It has to be selling in it.
Speaker 2: Drop a hat. One movie that I cry at that
Speaker 2: was like super embarrassing. I think it was like Bumblebee
Speaker 2: or like one of the Transformers movies. Yeah, fully cried.
Speaker 2: I think like Pacific Rim two. I got a little
Speaker 2: misty eyed. You know, like there are certain movies that
Speaker 2: you only watch on planes, and like I would only
Speaker 2: watch on a plane, and when those types of movies
Speaker 2: are getting me, I'm like.
Speaker 1: Fuck the altitude, that's something. What is the film that
Speaker 1: scared you the mice? Do you like being scared?
Speaker 2: I do like being scared. I love horror movies. Right,
Speaker 2: there's again like kind of two answers to this the
Speaker 2: first movie that ever made me that I remember being like,
Speaker 2: oh god, this is like really scary in a way
Speaker 2: that was like kind of unique for the time because
Speaker 2: we were coming out of torture porn era in around
Speaker 2: like two thousand and seven, two thousand and eight, and
Speaker 2: I hated like when I was in high school in
Speaker 2: the early two thousands, like everything was about like this
Speaker 2: is a horror movie where we watch a young model
Speaker 2: scream and pain and agony for forty minutes while someone
Speaker 2: like cuts off their leg and I fucking hated that
Speaker 2: shit so much. I think Saw is like maybe gets
Speaker 2: a slight pass because there is interesting, like narrative stuff
Speaker 2: going around it, but like hostile, I think like that
Speaker 2: is like peak that kind of movie that I fucking hated.
Speaker 2: And then as we were coming out of that era, though,
Speaker 2: there's a lot of interesting stuff coming out of your
Speaker 2: neck of the woods. And this movie The Descent. Do
Speaker 2: you know this movie?
Speaker 1: I fucking love The Descent. I think it's a masspace.
Speaker 2: I fucking love this movie. And it was a movie
Speaker 2: that like at the time, I remember it taught me
Speaker 2: a lot of patience because it takes a while to
Speaker 2: get to the scary parts of the descent. It is like, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's very like these women listening to Indogo girls in
Speaker 2: a cabin, like about to girl boss their way through
Speaker 2: a cave, and you're like, Okay, this seems fine, and
Speaker 2: then that's the second that fucking face creature pops up
Speaker 2: behind that woman. It's you're off to the race and
Speaker 2: it's so scary, and I remember it was like such
Speaker 2: a nice reprieve from the kind of horror movies that
Speaker 2: had been coming out that I had been seeing it
Speaker 2: at that time, and I fucking love that movie. I
Speaker 2: tell everyone to watch it. It's still it holds up so well,
Speaker 2: so good. It was interesting, complicated characters, but like simple storytelling,
Speaker 2: you know. It really was just I'm trying to get
Speaker 2: out of that fucking cave.
Speaker 1: And he does a thing. I'm sure I've talked about
Speaker 1: this before, but I really I'm like, why is that
Speaker 1: film so good? And it's one of the things he
Speaker 1: did is he doesn't cheat where the light comes from.
Speaker 1: There's no fake light in the whole film, so it's
Speaker 1: it's a flight. If they're holding a torch, that's the light,
Speaker 1: and if they're the screen from ever, and that's the light.
Speaker 1: There's no like, where's this light coming from?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, really great? What is the film that you love?
Speaker 1: People don't really like it, the critics hate it, but
Speaker 1: you love it.
Speaker 2: This is what I actually do think about while I
Speaker 2: was seeing twenty Year episodes recently, because this is I
Speaker 2: think like, this is one of the markey questions of
Speaker 2: your podcast. I think like this is one that I
Speaker 2: think is really really telling about where a person is
Speaker 2: in their life. Yeah, and for me, this movie is
Speaker 2: Jupiter Ascending, amazing anset the lakowskis like they honestly, in
Speaker 2: my mind, they can't do any wrong, because the thing is,
Speaker 2: I would much rather a creator take a huge swing
Speaker 2: and miss and whiff the ball completely, like the ball
Speaker 2: is like in another county at this point. But they
Speaker 2: took me in. Do they make big fucking swings? And
Speaker 2: that movie is so fun and so dumb and Eddie
Speaker 2: Redmain is giving one of the most insane performances ever
Speaker 2: committed to film, and like the fact that people didn't
Speaker 2: see it, didn't appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Channing Tatum is a dog.
Speaker 2: Channing Tatum is a dog. Mila Kunis is Queen of
Speaker 2: the Bees, yeah.
Speaker 1: Can you do an impression of Eddie Redmain in it?
Speaker 2: I can't now because I'm sick and I also don't
Speaker 2: want to blow out my microphone. But the way he
Speaker 2: unhinges his jaw to scream most of his lines is
Speaker 2: really amazing. Those little dragons with the little tiny wings
Speaker 2: that are the henchmen are like they'd never really explain
Speaker 2: where they came from, where they're going, what they're doing,
Speaker 2: Like it's so much more than a bad Star Wars
Speaker 2: rip off, but it is like in that realm for sure.
Speaker 2: And I just find their world building so funny and
Speaker 2: fascinating always and just goofy as hell and the like
Speaker 2: the rollerblading, uh, the anti gravity roller blades, like it's
Speaker 2: just so fun and so visually fun and stupid, and like, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's it's It's a movie that I have a lot
Speaker 2: of trouble convincing people to watch with me, for sure.
Speaker 1: It's that is in the realm of cloud at List,
Speaker 1: which I feel, oh yeah, swing in swinging away.
Speaker 2: The thing is about cloud House that's even more difficult
Speaker 2: though to get keep people on board with, is that
Speaker 2: it is like a three hour long movie. Yes, and
Speaker 2: so when people when it has a bad rap as
Speaker 2: being a bad movie, and it's three hours. It's like
Speaker 2: really hard to convince people to go on that journey
Speaker 2: with you.
Speaker 1: Yeah. What, on the other hand, is a film that
Speaker 1: you used to love, you loved, and then you watched
Speaker 1: it recently? Anyone? Oh No, I don't like this anymore
Speaker 1: for whatever reason that might be.
Speaker 2: This is kind of a cheat because I haven't watched
Speaker 2: it all that recently. But for me, it is the
Speaker 2: blind Side. I used to be such a staunch like
Speaker 2: defender of the blind Side. I really did, Like I
Speaker 2: was like so like, yes, Sandra Bullock deserved for that
Speaker 2: fucking wig work that she did in that film. Yes,
Speaker 2: it is a lifetime movie, but is so beautifully done.
Speaker 2: And I think the thing that you have to understand
Speaker 2: about me is I was sort of half kicked out
Speaker 2: of my home at seventeen and moved out and was
Speaker 2: taken in by another family that like didn't really know
Speaker 2: who I was, and I was not gifted at football.
Speaker 2: That's where the story is sort of diverged. But I
Speaker 2: was really drawn to the story of this, like you know,
Speaker 2: and I hate to say it because I said it
Speaker 2: so many times during the press too. From my movie
Speaker 2: but chosen family, Like I was really sean to this
Speaker 2: idea as like both an adoptee, someone who lived with
Speaker 2: a different family than theirs for the latter half of
Speaker 2: high school and was like really loved and accepted by
Speaker 2: that family and found the support that they couldn't find
Speaker 2: at home in that family. Like I really loved this
Speaker 2: movie hmmm when I was in high school and early college.
Speaker 2: Now have I sense sort of come to understand sort
Speaker 2: of a lot of the problematic nature of like the
Speaker 2: white Savior narrative. And also now the stuff that has
Speaker 2: come out recently with Michael Orr coming out and being
Speaker 2: like it was not you know, they like took advantage
Speaker 2: of me, and it wasn't all like the movie portrayed
Speaker 2: it to be, and all of this stuff. I have
Speaker 2: come around and been like, no, this movie is bad
Speaker 2: and it should be burned in a big bonfire.
Speaker 1: It's nice that you related to it.
Speaker 2: That, yeah, And also like, clearly, listen, I'm the biggest
Speaker 2: Sandra Bullock stan Like, if I had to pick an
Speaker 2: actress and only watch their movies for the rest of
Speaker 2: my life, like Sandra Bullock would probably be at the
Speaker 2: top of my list. To be honest. But yeah, she
Speaker 2: didn't deserve it. She didn't deserve not for that. I
Speaker 2: think it was. I do think she did deserve a
Speaker 2: career win, like I think the Blindside was rewarding her
Speaker 2: for an illustrious career where she gave us a lot,
Speaker 2: especially in movies that aren't Oscar Bait. And yeah, so
Speaker 2: she did deserve it in that sense, but not for
Speaker 2: that role. But that happens a lot.
Speaker 1: That happens. I think the OSK is often is giving
Speaker 1: an award for previous work. Yeah, that was missed out
Speaker 1: on What is the film that means the most to you?
Speaker 1: Not necessarily the film itself is good, but the experience
Speaker 1: you had watching it will always make it meaningful to you.
Speaker 2: Kim Based this is probably this could probably be my
Speaker 2: answer for a lot of these questions. But for me,
Speaker 2: it is my best friend's wedding. Yeah, and it is.
Speaker 2: If we were playing the Newlywed game, Okay, my boyfriend
Speaker 2: would accurately guess this as my favorite movie. And it's
Speaker 2: like such a you know, because that game, the idea
Speaker 2: of having a favorite movie so silly and dumb, you know,
Speaker 2: like it's really hard to pinpoint, Like if you watch
Speaker 2: more than fucking you know, twenty five movies in your life.
Speaker 2: Like it's so hard to pick a favorite one, you know,
Speaker 2: because like there's so much of it met is like
Speaker 2: what your mood is, and like what you're looking for
Speaker 2: and like genre dependent and all this stuff. But for me,
Speaker 2: I tell people, if they really press me, that this
Speaker 2: is my favorite movie because it does. It is the
Speaker 2: movie that I watch with people to sort of like
Speaker 2: check them a little bit. I remember watching this with
Speaker 2: my boyfriend and like it was one of the few,
Speaker 2: like one of the many cultural exchanges that we did
Speaker 2: where I was just sitting on the couch watching his
Speaker 2: reaction to all these moments in the movie and making
Speaker 2: sure that and I didn't tell him beforehand, but I
Speaker 2: think he instinctually knew, like he needed it to love
Speaker 2: his movies for us to continue. And it's a movie
Speaker 2: that like has had this place in my life since
Speaker 2: I was like in middle school. Basically I saw it
Speaker 2: way too young, well before I understood what was going
Speaker 2: going on, and then throughout my life like in high
Speaker 2: school and in college, in my early days in Chicago,
Speaker 2: in my early days in New York, Like it is
Speaker 2: a movie that I continually returned to as like a
Speaker 2: way to connect with other people, Like this is the
Speaker 2: thing that I share in terms of movies, to connect
Speaker 2: with someone and to like sort of give them a
Speaker 2: peek at my brain and like the things that I
Speaker 2: like because it does have it has so much going
Speaker 2: for it. It is such a funny movie. It's a
Speaker 2: romantic movie. It's a beautifully shot movie, incredible performances, sort
Speaker 2: of the first time, like a revolutionary move to make
Speaker 2: Julia Roberts the sneaky villain of the movie because she
Speaker 2: was America's sweetheart at this time. It was really like
Speaker 2: this performance could only have been pulled off by Julia
Speaker 2: Roberts in that moment in history, because you had to
Speaker 2: take someone who was literally beloved by every single person
Speaker 2: in America and the world and then make them do
Speaker 2: some of the most despicable things that you could ever
Speaker 2: believe a person would do in a romantic comedy. Still
Speaker 2: have the audience like find a root for you throughout
Speaker 2: the most of it, Like it's a it's a it's
Speaker 2: a magic trick, and it's like there's like there's magical
Speaker 2: realism in it too, Like I love the singing at
Speaker 2: the fucking restaurant, Like when the movie decides to become
Speaker 2: a musical for a brief moment for no reason, and
Speaker 2: it never pops up again. And it's like this moment
Speaker 2: that is not like addressed by anybody else in the
Speaker 2: film as being weird. And I think also like written
Speaker 2: by a gay guy. Obviously you can tell because the
Speaker 2: gay character in it, George, is so it is for
Speaker 2: especially for the time, well rendered and like, yes it
Speaker 2: is trophy because he is the gay best friend whatever,
Speaker 2: but gay best friends exist. That's so like you know,
Speaker 2: like and if you're gonna have a gay best friend
Speaker 2: in a movie, this is this is a really good
Speaker 2: starting off blueprint for how to do it well. I
Speaker 2: think there's ways to push the form now, but this,
Speaker 2: especially for the time, I think was really revolutionary for
Speaker 2: the way that like it gave that character had agency.
Speaker 2: That character is smart and funny and all of the
Speaker 2: things that you want to see in a gay best
Speaker 2: friend and not necessarily all sort of buy the book
Speaker 2: at the stereotyme. So yeah, there's a lot of things
Speaker 2: I love about this movie. And it is a movie
Speaker 2: that I will show people in my life to make
Speaker 2: sure that they're cool.
Speaker 1: It's the test. It's a fantastic perfect answer. What is
Speaker 1: the film we must relate to?
Speaker 2: What if I said the blind Side the film that
Speaker 2: I I was. I actually did think about this one
Speaker 2: a little bit because this is a difficult one for sure,
Speaker 2: and there's some recency bias I think in my answer,
Speaker 2: and it's a little it's a little odd. But like
Speaker 2: As Lives was a movie that came out this year
Speaker 2: that I found myself really really relating to on a
Speaker 2: lot of different odd levels, you know, because I think, like, so,
Speaker 2: I'm adopted, my parents are white, so I had very
Speaker 2: little contact with my culture or heritage growing up, and
Speaker 2: I think, like, obviously, this is so much about dysphoria
Speaker 2: surrounding your identity as an Asian American and like having
Speaker 2: roots in a different country and then also be experiencing
Speaker 2: you know how you experience that when you're sort of
Speaker 2: drowning in whiteness surrounding you. And also I have a
Speaker 2: white boyfriend as well, who will never truly fulfill me
Speaker 2: on a deep level because he's white, but.
Speaker 1: He did like my best friend's wedding, So.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, true, but yeah, I just I haven't watched
Speaker 2: a movie in a long time that didn't sort of
Speaker 2: beat for beat try to recreate my own life without
Speaker 2: like actually, like I have not experienced with this character
Speaker 2: his experience, but I felt so deeply simp like a
Speaker 2: kinship with this character. And also Return to Soul is
Speaker 2: another talk about recency bias. Both these movies came out
Speaker 2: this year, and both of these movies sort of explore
Speaker 2: the experience and a return to Soul even more than
Speaker 2: Past Lives is like really explicitly about an adopted Korean
Speaker 2: adoptee returning to South kore and not having like this
Speaker 2: life changing like e prey love, like you know, full
Speaker 2: circle moment to their experience of that culture, and that
Speaker 2: I related to on a really deep level too, because
Speaker 2: I find that like people love to tell you, like
Speaker 2: just wait until you go back to Korea, it's going
Speaker 2: to change you, and like maybe it will. I haven't
Speaker 2: done it yet, but watching this movie, I was sort
Speaker 2: of like, oh, finally, like a depiction of this experience
Speaker 2: that isn't about like oh this I feel complete now
Speaker 2: because I I've touched down on my ancestral homeland, you know,
Speaker 2: like it dealt with it in a way that felt
Speaker 2: real and complicated, and that is how I feel about
Speaker 2: my own adoption. And so those two movies, it's a
Speaker 2: tandem answer. Definitely are our movies that spoke to my
Speaker 2: experience in different ways that I really related to and
Speaker 2: I'm really grateful to that they came out now at
Speaker 2: a time when like I'm able to process those stories
Speaker 2: in a way that is helpful to me.
Speaker 1: You you said you weren't prepared for this podcast. This
Speaker 1: has been some of the most throw out brilliant answers.
Speaker 1: This is like you said, it was new material. I
Speaker 1: don't believe you. What is what is the sexiest film
Speaker 1: you've ever seen?
Speaker 2: That's a tough one because like there's so many different
Speaker 2: layers to that question, Like you could mean like what, oh,
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess for me, the sexiest movie that
Speaker 2: I've ever seen in sort of the pinnacle of of
Speaker 2: like sex and movies for me is Short Buss by
Speaker 2: John Cameron Mitchell. Like I mean, famously, the sex in
Speaker 2: that movie is a lot of it is not simulated.
Speaker 2: It is real, like when they're going when they're giving head,
Speaker 2: they're giving head and very brown bunny Vincent Gallo whatever.
Speaker 2: But like for me, that movie treats sex as this
Speaker 2: like beautiful, funny, not all that sacred. Like there is
Speaker 2: a like a sacred nature to sex, but it doesn't
Speaker 2: like treat it as this like holy thing that like
Speaker 2: you know, has to be special and like handled with
Speaker 2: kid gloves, like it. A lot of the sex in
Speaker 2: that movie, and this is true to my own experience
Speaker 2: having sex is very funny. You know, they're laughing it
Speaker 2: is because like when you take away a lot of
Speaker 2: the bells and whistles to it, it's like you're fucking
Speaker 2: naked doing what you did, what with what and put
Speaker 2: it where, you know, Like it is so funny. And like,
Speaker 2: especially the trappings around sex, the things we do to
Speaker 2: get sex are so funny. And I love the exploration
Speaker 2: of that in that movie. And I just loved for
Speaker 2: me growing up very with a very puritanical house, watching
Speaker 2: this movie in college that I'll never forget where I
Speaker 2: was when I first saw it. I was like it
Speaker 2: was a summer between my freshmen and sophomore year, and
Speaker 2: I was in a dorm because I was performing a
Speaker 2: summer stock theater and I remember watching this movie and
Speaker 2: it shaping me. I mean, it's not only the sexiest
Speaker 2: movie that I think I've seen, but it is it
Speaker 2: really did like shape a lot of my conceptions about
Speaker 2: sex and movies and how should be handled and not handled,
Speaker 2: and sort of the goal for me, if I, ever,
Speaker 2: you know, continue to have sexy movies is to you know,
Speaker 2: model it after the way John handled it in his
Speaker 2: film He Could.
Speaker 1: There's a sub category to this question traveling by and
Speaker 1: is worrying why don't what's a film you found arousing
Speaker 1: that you weren't sure you should?
Speaker 2: There is going to be a little too revealing, and
Speaker 2: so I'm not gonna elaborate too much on it. But
Speaker 2: funny Games, Okay, that is a really good answer.
Speaker 1: That makes a lot of sense. I think I can
Speaker 1: fill in the blakes. Yeah, really really good answer. What
Speaker 1: is objectively the greatest film of all time? Might not
Speaker 1: be your favorite, but it is the pinnacle of films?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, this would have been an easy slot
Speaker 2: in for my best friend's wedding as well, certainly. But
Speaker 2: I guess for me, I'm going to go with the
Speaker 2: other answer that I often have to this question, which
Speaker 2: is what hot American summer? I think it's I mean,
Speaker 2: for one, it's sort of it's a nice catch all
Speaker 2: because it is so many movies at once. There's so
Speaker 2: much going on in that movie. And again, talk about
Speaker 2: a movie that like shaped me. I tell I say
Speaker 2: this often that the two movies that shaped my aesthetic
Speaker 2: and like my you know, conception of what a comedy
Speaker 2: movie and a sex movie should be as Short Bus
Speaker 2: and What Hot American Summer. Those were the only two
Speaker 2: DVDs I owned the summer between my freshmen and sophomore year,
Speaker 2: and I watched both those movies like at least a
Speaker 2: couple times a week for like three months straight. And
Speaker 2: you put those movies together, and that is exactly what
Speaker 2: I want to accomplish. But my what Hot is like
Speaker 2: part of it for me is not even the product itself.
Speaker 2: But One Hot was also another movie where I watched
Speaker 2: the making of featurette for that movie over and over
Speaker 2: and over again because it really sold me on wanting
Speaker 2: to make movies because I was like, look at these people,
Speaker 2: They're all friends, you know, they pulled from this like
Speaker 2: cadre of like comedians, UCB performers that all knew each
Speaker 2: other and all were in community together, and it so
Speaker 2: shows on yeah in the final product, like how much
Speaker 2: fun they had making this and how like grungy it
Speaker 2: was to make, but at the same time, like because
Speaker 2: they were all friends and knew each other in Peers
Speaker 2: that like it was okay and like that was like honestly,
Speaker 2: like I thought about it a lot while I was
Speaker 2: making Fire Island because I felt very similarly because like
Speaker 2: watching that feature at the making of What Hot Future
Speaker 2: atte like it made me want to make movies. And
Speaker 2: then the whole time I was making Fire Island, I
Speaker 2: was like, oh my god, I'm doing it. I'm making
Speaker 2: like sort of a small budget movie where the conditions
Speaker 2: are not always ideal, but I'm here with some of
Speaker 2: my best friends and people that like our people that
Speaker 2: I came up with, and it just like it was
Speaker 2: such a nice full circle moment for me. And so
Speaker 2: that is why for me, because it made me want
Speaker 2: to make movies and got me really interested in making movies.
Speaker 2: What Hot is my answer?
Speaker 1: Goddamn god, damn a good at this? What is the film?
Speaker 1: You could or have watched the most op and over
Speaker 1: again and it might be short best, it might be
Speaker 1: short best.
Speaker 2: Uh, yeah, it's definitely it's probably short bust or what Hot?
Speaker 2: But I think outside of those movies, the one that
Speaker 2: I weirdly have watched the most is Rachel Getting Married.
Speaker 1: I fucking love that film. It's a great film.
Speaker 2: As an adult post college. It is by far the
Speaker 2: movie that I've watched the most over and over again
Speaker 2: because for a couple of reasons. A it's my writer's
Speaker 2: block movie. Like when I'm having writer's block writing anything creative,
Speaker 2: I will watch Rachel Getting Married because for me, it's
Speaker 2: like it's kind of like the platonic ideal of like writing,
Speaker 2: like those types of movies, like movies that are plays,
Speaker 2: but movies movies where people are talking, you know, because
Speaker 2: that is like, really what I write and write well
Speaker 2: and want to write is movies where people are talking,
Speaker 2: movies that could and should probably be plays, you know,
Speaker 2: because dialogue is in and the rhythm of conversation is
Speaker 2: so much what I'm interested in as a writer or
Speaker 2: what got certainly got me interested in writing. And I
Speaker 2: think what I is probably one of my best bigger
Speaker 2: strengths as a writer. And Jonathan dem just like does
Speaker 2: that in that movie so well, and like right, it's
Speaker 2: Anne Hathaway has like one of the greatest performances of
Speaker 2: her career I think in that film again, like I
Speaker 2: love how small you can feel the budget is, but
Speaker 2: what they did with it, And like, I obviously love
Speaker 2: a wedding movie. Two of my favorite movies of all
Speaker 2: time our wedding comedies, drama, dramedy. In this case, I
Speaker 2: guess drama maybe fully. But the other reason I love it,
Speaker 2: and the reason I watched it so much is I
Speaker 2: worked at a video rental store for four years, started
Speaker 2: in high school and then worked on it, moved to
Speaker 2: my college branch, and I got fired for checking out
Speaker 2: Rachel getting married without paying for it. And this was
Speaker 2: this was a practice that most of the employees at
Speaker 2: Family Video were engaged in the entire four years that
Speaker 2: I worked there. No one said boo, No one gave
Speaker 2: a shit if you took out a dollar movie for
Speaker 2: a couple of days without selling anybody. But I was
Speaker 2: working with like this new kid who was very Christian
Speaker 2: and like rated on me immediately no, and then like
Speaker 2: texted me and was like, you put me in a
Speaker 2: horrible position when you did that in front of me,
Speaker 2: And I was like, okay, fucking loser. So I got
Speaker 2: fired for having this movie. And so for a while
Speaker 2: it was like again one of the few DVDs that
Speaker 2: I had, and it was just the source of like
Speaker 2: I or And I was like, well, if I got
Speaker 2: if I fucking lost my job of four years for
Speaker 2: this movie, I'm going to watch this shit out of
Speaker 2: this movie. And so it was this movie that I
Speaker 2: had to return to just out of Spike for a
Speaker 2: lot of years. Yeah, I would watch it so very special.
Speaker 1: Yeah it's a great film. What's the worst film you
Speaker 1: ever seen?
Speaker 2: That's tough because I like, obviously I've brought up like
Speaker 2: bad movies that I find enjoyable and I tend to
Speaker 2: so it's like for me, a bad movie has to
Speaker 2: like say absolutely nothing and be sort of surface level,
Speaker 2: and like I don't know, like movies that say nothing
Speaker 2: are sort of the answer to this. I'm trying to see. Now,
Speaker 2: this is where the lack of preparation is bite me
Speaker 2: in the ass, because I could have had a really
Speaker 2: wonderful answer for this. That wouldn't that would have pissed
Speaker 2: off nobody, you know, I'm trying to think, because like
Speaker 2: all of the quote unquote bad movies that I've seen
Speaker 2: recently were Oscar Baby movies, and even those movies, like
Speaker 2: even like when you're just like sort of judging them
Speaker 2: based on like the pack of Oscar movies for that year,
Speaker 2: are like still even the ones that you're like, oh,
Speaker 2: this movie was so bad, are is still like something
Speaker 2: that is like, yeah, pretty good. When I'm just like
Speaker 2: talking to cover as I think of a movie title
Speaker 2: that again like this is the hardest one because like
Speaker 2: you don't like the rest of the questions. You're like, oh,
Speaker 2: like how do I seem cool and like chill? And
Speaker 2: like how do I construct this personality around my taste
Speaker 2: in movies? And now suddenly I'm like, how can I
Speaker 2: what movie can I say that won't piss people off? Hmm,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say, oh, I guess like for me, we've
Speaker 2: revisited this movie recently. Scary Movie, the first one. Now
Speaker 2: before you get in up in arms, I think the
Speaker 2: Scary Movie three is still holds Up is such a
Speaker 2: funny movie, Regina Hall Alzheimer. You know, like there's so
Speaker 2: much in the later part of that series that still
Speaker 2: holds up and is great. Scary movie one. It's not
Speaker 2: even like the woke mind virus has destroyed my brain
Speaker 2: or anything like that, but it's just not funny It's
Speaker 2: just like it is playing on sort of like the
Speaker 2: most surface level ideas of like stereotypes, stuff pushing anything.
Speaker 2: It is like stuff that I have, I heard other
Speaker 2: middle schoolers say, and then doesn't really push beyond that,
Speaker 2: Like it's like, oh, we hit a woman, isn't that funny?
Speaker 2: Without commenting on like why hitting a woman might be
Speaker 2: funny or not funny. It is just like as sort
Speaker 2: of base as that, like, oh, we this character is gay,
Speaker 2: isn't that funny? Isn't it funny that this person is gay?
Speaker 2: And it's just like doesn't it doesn't ask you to
Speaker 2: think beyond those terms, And so in that way, I
Speaker 2: just don't think it holds up as we really wanted
Speaker 2: it to hold up. I really wanted to like reclaim
Speaker 2: Scary Movie is like and be sort of provocative about
Speaker 2: like ooh, yeah, you thought I would want you cancel me,
Speaker 2: cancel me because I love Scary Movie the first one.
Speaker 2: But it was a dark time. It was a dark
Speaker 2: time for movies, and like a dark time for that
Speaker 2: specific kind of spoof movie.
Speaker 1: That's fair, I'd say that's very fair. Now on the
Speaker 1: errand you're in comedy, you're very funny what's the film
Speaker 1: that he made you laugh the most?
Speaker 2: I will say that the movie that has made me
Speaker 2: laugh the most is I. You know again, like I
Speaker 2: could have said what wet hot for this answer, but
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go with the one that made me laugh
Speaker 2: the most in the last couple of years, which is Love.
Speaker 2: Actually a horrendous film by almost every like almost everything
Speaker 2: about it is detestable, and yet I cannot stop watching
Speaker 2: it every year like clockwork and just sitting there and
Speaker 2: the way it's like so abrasively bad, but like you
Speaker 2: cannot help but laugh at it, like it like the
Speaker 2: way my boyfriend and I will sit and watch this
Speaker 2: movie and laugh at every terrible thing that happens in
Speaker 2: this movie. Not terrible thing that happens to the characters,
Speaker 2: but terrible thing the movie tries to do to us.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: It is just it is so ridiculous, and like, how
Speaker 2: can you watch this movie and not remember that Kiera
Speaker 2: Knightley was like seventeen when she shot this movie and
Speaker 2: not want to laugh and just laugh at this fucking stalker,
Speaker 2: you know, Like, yeah, it is the movie that recently
Speaker 2: made me laugh the most.
Speaker 1: It's just it is outregious Okay, okay, So look, here's
Speaker 1: the thing. You've been excellent. Your answers have been unbelievably
Speaker 1: I mean unbelievably thoughtful and wise, and I don't for
Speaker 1: a second belief that you didn't give this any thought.
Speaker 1: And if you did it, you're beyond a genius. He's
Speaker 1: been really brilliant. However, when you were in a car
Speaker 1: pool with four other people and your car got hit
Speaker 1: by another by truck and you lay there in excruciating pain,
Speaker 1: dying very slowly, but you couldn't die until two of
Speaker 1: the other people died. They took ages to die, and
Speaker 1: then eventually, once they died, you very slowly, very painfully died.
Speaker 1: And I was walking past with a coffin, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm like, and I'm like, they weren't seeing Joe
Speaker 1: Kim where is he? And they said, I think he's
Speaker 1: in that wreck. He was dying very slowly, and I
Speaker 1: went slowly, Oh god, no, that must be off, and
Speaker 1: he went, yeah, no, it's about four days. You just
Speaker 1: left it there for four days. You didn't even take
Speaker 1: it to us to and they're like, nah, it was
Speaker 1: such a mess. It just seemed like too much work.
Speaker 1: So we just sort of waged it out, and I
Speaker 1: was like, oh fucking hell, give us a hand then,
Speaker 1: So we're sort of pulling bits of you out of
Speaker 1: this car, getting bits of metal, all sorts, stuff it
Speaker 1: all in the coffin. There's more of you than I
Speaker 1: was expecting, what with all this fucking stuff. The coffin
Speaker 1: is absolutely jammed. It is round. There is only enough
Speaker 1: room to slip one DVD into the side for you
Speaker 1: to take across to the other side. And on the
Speaker 1: other side, it's maybe night. Every night. What fucking movie
Speaker 1: are you taking each other? People? The Druggies of Heaven
Speaker 1: when it is your movie night, mister Joel kim Bister.
Speaker 2: And this ideally would be a movie that I haven't
Speaker 2: already brought up.
Speaker 1: It can be whatever you want. You're you're presenting this.
Speaker 2: Film because I obviously, like I brought up, you know,
Speaker 2: showing people my best friend's wedding.
Speaker 1: Is that?
Speaker 2: So that is like part of the answer, but for
Speaker 2: the sake of saying something a little different that still works,
Speaker 2: that is still honest. Is the Garden State DVD, but
Speaker 2: not the movie, just the making of feature atte that's
Speaker 2: what we'd watch every night. The movie doesn't hold up
Speaker 2: that well, and it's certainly not as much as you'd
Speaker 2: like it to if especially we're around the same age.
Speaker 2: I think like it was a pretty big deal of
Speaker 2: movie for a lot of people at the time. But
Speaker 2: the feature at the making of featurette holds up really,
Speaker 2: really well. And I again, it is another example of
Speaker 2: this movie. It's much longer than the Wet Hot one,
Speaker 2: but it is another example of a featurette really making
Speaker 2: me interested in the art of filmmaking and like the
Speaker 2: community around which movies are made, and like that the
Speaker 2: community that comes together to make a movie and the
Speaker 2: solidarity and the just the fun and the intricacies and
Speaker 2: like the breadth and like scope of what goes into
Speaker 2: making a movie, you know. Like I think like that
Speaker 2: was a huge watching that feature at in high school,
Speaker 2: I was like, Wow, there are a lot of people,
Speaker 2: even on this little tiny movie that work on this.
Speaker 2: It's not just the director and the actors and the writer,
Speaker 2: you know, and like understanding that I think is a
Speaker 2: really important part of learning how to digest movies. And yeah,
Speaker 2: so I would want everybody in on that. So we
Speaker 2: would watch The Future Atte over and over again.
Speaker 1: That is a fucking great answer, jo Kim Booster. Is
Speaker 1: there anything you would like to tell people to look
Speaker 1: out for to watch to come see you in coming up?
Speaker 2: I am on a new show called Christine Dave Diane
Speaker 2: Out that's on Free Forum and then Hulu the next day.
Speaker 2: That comes out at the end of January. I think
Speaker 2: like twenty four. It's a quick, five episode little series
Speaker 2: where we eat it a lot of different restaurants around
Speaker 2: LA and then I am the second season of Luke
Speaker 2: comes out in April or somewhere around there, So keep
Speaker 2: your eyes peeled for that that's coming, and then hopefully
Speaker 2: I learn a lot of other stuff.
Speaker 1: So and guys see guys, see you stand up joking
Speaker 1: boost it. Thank you so much for doing this. You've
Speaker 1: been absolutely brilliant.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 1: I hope you have a wonderful day and I will
Speaker 1: see you soon. Okay, good day to you, sir. So
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