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Speaker 2: but number one in our hearts at least Rodney Harrison.

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Speaker 3: Yes, Drake what he needs or what he feels like

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Speaker 3: he needs to work on? Remember what is he still draft? Yeah?

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Speaker 4: I think the probably target a few things for him.

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Speaker 4: I think this play action pass has to improve, just

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Speaker 4: the ball handling there. We're not quite where we need

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Speaker 4: that's an area of we've targeted for improvement. I think

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Speaker 4: the other thing for Drake is if you know we

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Speaker 4: have play set for different looks and then being able

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Speaker 4: we're game planning against and knowing where to go with

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Speaker 4: the ball. Those are the two biggest things. Ball security,

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Speaker 4: for sure, it was a tough one. The stripsack fumble,

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Speaker 4: that was a tough one. He was getting ready to

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Speaker 4: throw it, so that that's gonna happen. But I've got

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Speaker 4: to take care of the football. It's the number one

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Speaker 3: So if we can keep improving there, we'll be better.

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Speaker 2: Play action I know that was a big core piece

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Speaker 2: of your offense, but I think you're towards the body

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Speaker 3: Is I have to do with the run game, struggles,

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Speaker 4: That's where we are right now. We're running the ball effectively.

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Speaker 4: You know you earn that right to use the play action.

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Speaker 4: You know teams right now have played shell against us

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Speaker 4: in the run game, and until we can run the

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Speaker 4: tough for us to get the play action game going.

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Speaker 2: Guys are talking yesterday about getting back to the mentality

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Speaker 2: of running the football in week one. Obviously, how did

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Speaker 3: What you have there.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean we have to be better across the board.

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Speaker 4: You know, I thought we took as a whole lot offense.

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Speaker 4: I thought we took a step back last week, and

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Speaker 4: I told those guys that, you know, I thought we'd

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Speaker 4: were heading. I think in the run games included in that.

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Speaker 4: You know, we love to run it thirty times a game.

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Speaker 4: At the same time, you have to be in, you know,

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Speaker 3: Down throughout the course of the game.

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Speaker 4: You know, unfair to the running backs at times, like

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Speaker 3: And I thought our past game is an area that.

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Speaker 4: We've improved over the last three weeks, and I think

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Speaker 3: Got away from the run I think we saw on

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Speaker 4: There is a concern of that. The continuity would be great.

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Speaker 4: We're just not you know, we don't have that luxury

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Speaker 4: He's been very versatile. We'll see what happens for this week.

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Speaker 4: But you know, I feel really good about Mike's play.

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Speaker 4: It's a fine line. You know, you want to put

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Speaker 4: opportunity for those guys to go out in showcase. Are

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Speaker 4: Fine line of playing the veteran guys and then not

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Speaker 4: You know, it's it's tough for those guys. I know

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Speaker 2: Then those decisions come down from you. Do you discuss

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Speaker 2: for example, and the receivers with Tyler and where's drive all.

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Speaker 3: Of us, all of us sit together and talk for sure. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: But as you know, following them with us weeks.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I just got to get him get him in there,

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Speaker 4: Loved what he did in college again, had a great

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Speaker 4: and you know with with that other fo Yeah, absolutely,

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Speaker 4: it's the fine line. It's it's tough where we are

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Speaker 4: And I think that's part of that fine line. You know,

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Speaker 4: they're their picks, draft picks. We liked him coming in

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Speaker 2: Said, that's what you think any more raps, Why have

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Speaker 2: you seen him on that?

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Speaker 3: I'd like that. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I mean he's an explosive player. He comes off the

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Speaker 3: There's a lot to like.

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Speaker 4: Understanding the Drake is a rookie, and there there's going

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Speaker 3: As he learns. Have you seen him when he makes

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Speaker 4: He not been prone to repeat his Yeah, that's one

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Speaker 4: He's a very intelligent guy. He learns from his mistakes,

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Speaker 2: Has you got a learning experience that final playing regulation?

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Speaker 2: You heard guys from Hunter say and I stepped out

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Speaker 2: How much of that is in the experience for not

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Speaker 3: I mean, you know when you talk about past protection.

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Speaker 4: We put the Infinity sign up, you know, because we

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Speaker 4: have a guy that's very mobile, we can move and

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Speaker 4: extend plays. One of the best plays I've seen in

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Speaker 4: You know you described it well. I thought Andre worked

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Speaker 4: You know we're smart players too. Hunter stepped out of

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Speaker 3: There's no time clocks. You know.

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Speaker 4: We played to the whistle and that was like a

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Speaker 4: He battled, he fought, He had some big blocks there

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Speaker 4: impressive by all those guys. But great learning experience. There's

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Speaker 3: That defense was very good in the second.

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Speaker 4: Half, especially in their tribute that way again this season?

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Speaker 3: What is it about their defense the season?

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Speaker 4: playing well. They're well coached and they're very disciplined. They

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Speaker 1: She needs at one of the best plays we've seen

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Speaker 3: Time for him.

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Speaker 4: It was just the ability to escape, you know, the

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Speaker 3: I thought it was a very impressive play.

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Speaker 4: We were joking in the in the quarterback room that

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Speaker 4: I mean that to me, that was the most disappointing

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Speaker 4: two plays of the day. We had the second and

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Speaker 4: You know, anytime you hand it off and go straight downhill,

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Speaker 4: you expect to get a yard, even if it's poorly blocked.

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Speaker 4: that was the most disappointing two plays of the day.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, we got to do better on our double

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Speaker 2: From Drake, there are a couple of young players where

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Speaker 3: How does that manifest?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think our young guys are getting better each week.

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Speaker 3: And that was tough.

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Speaker 3: He's coming on.

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Speaker 4: Ben who just came in, you know, he's a young player,

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Speaker 3: Plug and Austin in that room, huge growth.

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Speaker 4: From Bell really just seeing him develop as more of

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Speaker 3: All right, guys, thanks.

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