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Speaker 1: Loca Radio is the radio phonic novela, which is just

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Speaker 1: a very extra way of saying a podcast. I'm Theos

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Speaker 1: FM and I am Mala miyos. Loca Tora Radio is

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Speaker 1: your Freema's favorite podcast hosted by us Mala and Liosa,

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Speaker 1: where two ig friends turned podcast partners, breaking down pop culture, feminism,

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Speaker 1: sexual wellness, and offering fresh takes on strending topics through

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Speaker 1: Las Locas, Las Mammy, submit in Bullshit, as next Door

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Speaker 1: and Lasses. We've been podcasting independently since twenty sixteen, and

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Speaker 1: we're bringing our radiophonic novela to the Mikokura network to

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Speaker 1: continue sharing stories from the latinxt community. Welcome to Loca

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Speaker 1: to Radio Season seven, Take us to your network. Ocamore

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Speaker 1: is Welcome back to another of Loca Radio. I'm Theosa

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Speaker 1: and I am Mala. You're tuning into one sixty. I

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Speaker 1: can't believe it. We're just racking them up. Last time

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Speaker 1: was here performing in La very fun interview. Go ahead,

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Speaker 1: and subscribe to our newsletter Bessie thos. So. Today we

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Speaker 1: have a super packed episode for y'all. We're going to

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Speaker 1: get into the nitty gritty of everything basically, so we

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Speaker 1: want to catch Shalla. And first start by telling y'all

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Speaker 1: in April fool's joke that Mala played on practically all

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Speaker 1: of Latino Hollywood. It was really fun, it was really good.

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Speaker 1: I can't lie. The joke hit, the joke glanded. I

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Speaker 1: mean people were gagging on this gag. Yes, I couldn't

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Speaker 1: be more proud. I woke up on April first, and

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Speaker 1: I like sent Biosa a voicemail and I was like,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, I just really want to make like

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Speaker 1: a fake deadline article today. I'm like feeling called to

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Speaker 1: do that. It's pilot season, so everyone's dropping their deadline articles,

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Speaker 1: they're dropping their news. So I just slid ours right

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Speaker 1: on in there. I like got on Canva like we do,

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Speaker 1: y'all about the deadline article and the headline that Mala

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Speaker 1: wrote lass Hollywood film Greenlit at NSK, Mala Munios Andosam

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Speaker 1: to star and co executive produce. Now, I also wrote

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Speaker 1: like a couple of paragraphs, so I'll just read them

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Speaker 1: to you in case you don't follow us on the ground,

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Speaker 1: which you should be at this point to keep up

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Speaker 1: with this stuff in real time. Exclusive Mala Munios and

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Speaker 1: of Look at Our Productions LLC will write and co

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Speaker 1: executive produce the upcoming NSK holiday film Las Bocha vas Set,

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Speaker 1: a premiere during the network's nis Sabin Film Festival. Production

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Speaker 1: on the project began on Wednesday. Munyo stars as Zoe,

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Speaker 1: a rising podcast personality who returns home for her family's

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Speaker 1: unexpected Christmas Miracle. I don't know about you, guys, but

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Speaker 1: I would watch that movie. First of all. I would

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Speaker 1: all made sense. However, there were some clues to give

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Speaker 1: And let me tell you a lot of very well

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Speaker 1: To all the journals who follow and who listen, we

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Speaker 1: But I just think it's hilarious every time we pull

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Speaker 1: Oh so I pulled, like, you know, a screen grab

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Speaker 1: talked about it or they haven't experienced it. Like, there's

425
00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:52,040
Speaker 1: so many different things happening at the same time. There's

426
00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:54,080
Speaker 1: a lot of different things happening at the same time,

427
00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:58,520
Speaker 1: and I think sometimes when we're not getting our proper

428
00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:02,119
Speaker 1: look the b ning of books, the attacks on ethnic

429
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:07,359
Speaker 1: studies Arizona, Texas, they have been the Mexican American and

430
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:10,719
Speaker 1: Chicano communities and Black communities down there have been fighting

431
00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:15,240
Speaker 1: for years now to retain ethnic studies, Black studies, Chicano

432
00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:20,000
Speaker 1: studies specifically, these programs have been in place, these books

433
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:23,040
Speaker 1: have been you know, like accessible to the students down there,

434
00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:27,480
Speaker 1: and there's just been a constant war to eradicate that education.

435
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:30,600
Speaker 1: And when we don't have that education, like that's the

436
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:34,000
Speaker 1: only place where this history is housed. Realistically, you have

437
00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:37,000
Speaker 1: to take a Chicano studies class, or an Ethnic studies class,

438
00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:40,080
Speaker 1: or a Mexican American studies class to get this. And

439
00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:42,520
Speaker 1: I think like at that point, you know, if you're

440
00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:44,639
Speaker 1: an adult, right and you don't know this history, and

441
00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:47,080
Speaker 1: a young adult, right, like if you're thinking of a

442
00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:49,280
Speaker 1: linear path of you go to community college or a

443
00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:53,080
Speaker 1: four year at eighteen, Right, it's kind of too late. Like, yes,

444
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:56,600
Speaker 1: the Chicano studies classes are important, the Mexican American history,

445
00:25:56,680 --> 00:26:00,359
Speaker 1: Latino history in the US one thousand percent to present

446
00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:03,000
Speaker 1: advocate for that, but it's also I feel like it

447
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:04,840
Speaker 1: should be a part and I know that there's movements

448
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:07,080
Speaker 1: to make it a part of K through twelve education, right,

449
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:09,760
Speaker 1: bring ethnic studies to middle schools as well. I think

450
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 1: in Arizona it has been Yeah, and I and I

451
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:16,399
Speaker 1: think that's also why we're seeing like the critical race theory,

452
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:19,560
Speaker 1: like as if that's actually being taught in schools. What's

453
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:25,080
Speaker 1: being taught is history, American history, Chicano history, Black American history.

454
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:28,240
Speaker 1: And you know, I think that we've talked about this

455
00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:34,439
Speaker 1: in the past. There's so many Latino Chicano people in

456
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:39,640
Speaker 1: like border patrol, in LAPD, in the prisons and corrections

457
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:45,520
Speaker 1: and working in positions of like oppression. I think part

458
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:49,960
Speaker 1: of there's, like we've talked about this, right, there are

459
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:54,720
Speaker 1: white Latinos, there are white aspiring Latinos, and then there's

460
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:59,920
Speaker 1: like white behaving Latinos. And if you are completely disconnected,

461
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,760
Speaker 1: did from all of this history and you have no

462
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:08,040
Speaker 1: idea the likelihood of like being brought into conservative ideology,

463
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:13,720
Speaker 1: conservative values, white supremacist values and thoughts is so much higher.

464
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:16,879
Speaker 1: And I think the community is so much more susceptible

465
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:23,320
Speaker 1: to buying in to white supremacist thought when we have

466
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:29,360
Speaker 1: that fluidity almost to opt in or to fight against it.

467
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:34,720
Speaker 1: And I just think like between the schools, and then

468
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:38,119
Speaker 1: also like our parents, I think a lot of times

469
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:41,080
Speaker 1: we have parents who want us to just like go

470
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 1: with the flow, you know, blend in, don't. I think

471
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:48,600
Speaker 1: a lot of older parents don't want us to feel

472
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 1: like we're victims, you know. So then it means we're

473
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:57,520
Speaker 1: talking about these things, is like like talk like we're complaining, right, Yes,

474
00:27:58,160 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 1: And that was some of what was in the comments.

475
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:04,480
Speaker 1: You quick complaining this is exaggerated. You guys are exaggerating.

476
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:07,720
Speaker 1: Guys are making this up. Look at these seventy year olds,

477
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:10,480
Speaker 1: they are still recounting being beaten in schools, and tell

478
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 1: them that they're exaggerating. You can tell me I'm exaggerating,

479
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:17,400
Speaker 1: but don't go and tell our seniors, our literal ancestors,

480
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 1: you know, our elders, that they're exaggerating you know, like

481
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:26,360
Speaker 1: that we're not doing that, and I think like acknowledging,

482
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:28,880
Speaker 1: like there's also you know, people in position of power

483
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:32,960
Speaker 1: that advocate for only English, right from doctors to school

484
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 1: teachers to speech pathologists. When I told my mom that

485
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:40,120
Speaker 1: we were producing this episode, she was telling me, oh, yeah,

486
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 1: you know they're My brother, you know, is in his forties,

487
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,480
Speaker 1: and so in nineteen seventy nine, he was in kindergarten

488
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 1: and the school was concerned that he wasn't pronouncing his

489
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:55,920
Speaker 1: words right, so they referred my mother to a speech pathologist,

490
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 1: and the speech pathologist said, well, you should just pick

491
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 1: one language. That's why he's having a problem. Now we know, right,

492
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 1: the research shows that being bilingual has so many benefits

493
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 1: to your brain, to your development, etc. Etc. But at

494
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 1: the time, in nineteen seventy nine, which again was not

495
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 1: that long ago, there was a speech pathologist advocating for

496
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,040
Speaker 1: to learn one language. So what in my mom pick?

497
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:21,240
Speaker 1: She picked English? And so my brother and I even

498
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:25,560
Speaker 1: have entirely different experiences with Spanish because my brother would

499
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 1: be like more of a Boche Mexican American Spanish speaker.

500
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:33,600
Speaker 1: Because we have different fathers, we have different experiences, right,

501
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 1: and so even in the own our own family, we

502
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 1: have a very different like understanding and use of Spanish,

503
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 1: and Spanish really is learned at home and in your family.

504
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:48,040
Speaker 1: That's the only way you're going to learn how to

505
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 1: speak Spanish the way your family speaks Spanish. No class

506
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 1: on the face of the earth is going to give

507
00:29:55,240 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 1: you that Spanish language immersion, the vocabulary, that cadence, the tone,

508
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 1: the inflection that you learn from repeated exposure every single

509
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 1: day since from the day you're born. Like there's also

510
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 1: in the comments on this reel, is this like you

511
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 1: got to take it upon yourself, Like take it upon

512
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 1: yourself to learn Spanish. Take it upon yourself to learn Spanish.

513
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 1: I've been taking Spanish classes my whole effing life in school,

514
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. My parents have been speaking

515
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 1: to me in English since I was a baby, right.

516
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:28,239
Speaker 1: The only person I really speak Spanish to you and

517
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 1: my family is my grandmother. So there's that piece. If

518
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 1: your parents are not speaking to you in Spanish at

519
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 1: home every single day from the day you learn to

520
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:40,720
Speaker 1: acquire language, you're just not going to speak that fluent

521
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:43,880
Speaker 1: Spanish that people want you to speak. Right now, there's

522
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:47,240
Speaker 1: also people that choose to not speak Spanish because maybe

523
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 1: they're ashamed, maybe they're embarrassed. There's internalized racism that's its

524
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:56,240
Speaker 1: own part, right, and that's a biproduct of white supremacy,

525
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 1: like to be clear. And then there's also assimilation. And

526
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 1: you know, we can't pretend that this country even now

527
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 1: systemically supports or encourages cultural differences when we still have

528
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 1: people saying, go back to your country, go back to

529
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 1: where you came from. Yes, for people that speak other languages. So,

530
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:18,959
Speaker 1: like we're living in like an increase in like Asian violence,

531
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:22,280
Speaker 1: anti Asian violence. You know, folks that speak their languages

532
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 1: in the Asian communities right experience violences people, Latin X folks,

533
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 1: obviously black folks. Like there's there's just an array of

534
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 1: things happening right now. So to pretend that, like, oh,

535
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 1: it's safe to be your like culturally different, it's not

536
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:42,040
Speaker 1: like you can maybe live in communities where, yes, like

537
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 1: in your living in Los Angeles, you have your pockets

538
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 1: where yes, you can like feel culturally grounded. But to

539
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 1: pretend that that happens everywhere is false. It's false. And

540
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 1: you can go back and on the piece on indigenous

541
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 1: language erasure and all of this. Something that I find

542
00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:01,520
Speaker 1: so interesting is like we literally we interviewed Adelia Romero

543
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 1: of My Cello. Go back and listen to that episode

544
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 1: and hear from Adelia about indigenous languages, language violence and Spanish.

545
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 1: That is like the context that I see, Like nobody

546
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:20,600
Speaker 1: in the comments is tapping into that reality and that conversation.

547
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 1: And it's a lot of first, second, third gen Mexican Americans, right,

548
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:32,479
Speaker 1: Chicano's whatever, very committed to well, we're natives and we

549
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 1: speak a native language. But none of those folks in

550
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 1: the comments speak a native language, right, you know, and

551
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 1: they're not hearing that conversation from indigenous communities or not

552
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 1: hearing it. Yeah. And she talks about the history of

553
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 1: language violence in Los Angeles, specifically towards indigenous people and

554
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 1: the assumption that anyone that looks brown is Mexican or

555
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 1: Latino and speak Spanish when that's not the case. And

556
00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 1: so she talks about her advocacy work that she clo

557
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:04,480
Speaker 1: and just to wrap up about the idea and bit

558
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 1: that like Latinos aren't actually like not all Latinos are

559
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 1: immigrants and not all Latinos are quote foreigners, especially when

560
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 1: you think about the Californios, like people that have been

561
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 1: here before this, but when this was Mexico before with

562
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 1: the US people that have been here for generations, like

563
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:23,560
Speaker 1: your family, Like, so, can you share a little more

564
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 1: on that sentiment? I think this again goes back to

565
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 1: like where are we learning American history and like understanding

566
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 1: our place in California. And I sometimes feel like folks

567
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 1: who are more recently immigrated maybe have absolutely no idea

568
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 1: that we've been here for that long. It kind of

569
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 1: in the comments reflect that for me, that there seems

570
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 1: to be this gap in knowledge as far as our

571
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 1: timeline I am. I don't. My grandmother is my most

572
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 1: recent immigrant story in my family. In my family, my grandmother,

573
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 1: my mother is not an immigrant. I am not an immigrant,

574
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 1: and on my dad's side, like immigration happens so long ago.

575
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 1: It's not a conversation, it's not a part of our

576
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:13,319
Speaker 1: reality or our experience when my grandmother shares things here

577
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:16,359
Speaker 1: and there. Absolutely, but my grandmother also came here when

578
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:18,479
Speaker 1: she was sixteen and the tallest building with city Hall,

579
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:20,840
Speaker 1: I was doing research. My grandma was here before the

580
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:23,239
Speaker 1: Dodgers got here. She was here before the first Star

581
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 1: on the Hollywood Walk of Fame was laid. I mean,

582
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 1: I can continue, you can you know all the things

583
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 1: that have been introduced before the Lakers got here, all

584
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:33,719
Speaker 1: the things that have happened in La since then, Like

585
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:35,840
Speaker 1: she was here before all of that. I think that

586
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 1: it's like we're part of a continuum here. And I

587
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:45,759
Speaker 1: just the reason why people can speak Spanish at work

588
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 1: and in school today is because we were not allowed

589
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 1: to speak Spanish. You know, my dad speaks terrible Spanish,

590
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 1: was not allowed to speak Spanish growing up, but he

591
00:34:56,800 --> 00:35:00,120
Speaker 1: was lobbying and protesting and walking out and sitting in

592
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:02,839
Speaker 1: and getting cracked over the head with batons and all

593
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 1: that stuff. So that you guys can speak Spanish, so

594
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:13,360
Speaker 1: you're welcome the next time you just say hey, thank you, thanks,

595
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:15,479
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? I don't know. I just

596
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 1: there's bigger fish to fry. I feel like with Latinos,

597
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 1: we always come down what do we call ourselves and

598
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 1: what language do we speak? Yes, we cannot get back.

599
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:25,879
Speaker 1: We cannot get past that, just the basics. And it's

600
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 1: so sad and like it's very much like there's no

601
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:35,719
Speaker 1: how can there be unity in this vast non monolithic

602
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:39,840
Speaker 1: community when people are still arguing that you're not Latino

603
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:43,279
Speaker 1: enough because you don't speak Spanish, because you're not a

604
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 1: real Latino because you use Latin X or Latine or

605
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:50,239
Speaker 1: you're using the colonizer's language. You know, what have you?

606
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:53,720
Speaker 1: White people are calling you Latin X. No, yeah, people

607
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 1: have been Latin Americans have been using Latin X and

608
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:59,319
Speaker 1: Latine for decades now, decades, so shut up. You know

609
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 1: it's like that. So why we cannot advance as a community,

610
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 1: as a broad community, because there we're still fighting about

611
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:09,719
Speaker 1: the same shit. Who we are? Who are we? We

612
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:11,759
Speaker 1: don't know, We don't know who we are? What are

613
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 1: we called? What language do we speak? Those are like

614
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 1: the basics of being a human, Like what's my name?

615
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 1: And what language do I speak? Like we haven't figured

616
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:21,399
Speaker 1: it out? And let me just say this, all these

617
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 1: people in the comments, you need to speak Spanish. You

618
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:25,879
Speaker 1: need to speak Spanish. You need to speak Spanish. Why

619
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:27,440
Speaker 1: do you want me to speak Spanish so bad? So

620
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 1: you can annoy me into languages so you can bother

621
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 1: me bilingually, you know what. I'm okay like this, Yeah,

622
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 1: I'm cool. Yeah right? I mean and I think also too,

623
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:44,959
Speaker 1: like I feel like there's a deep insecurity there, Like

624
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 1: I am so secure in who I am and my

625
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 1: family's history here and even in my language. You know,

626
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 1: you know, I get that that's the reality of being

627
00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:00,920
Speaker 1: here in the US, Like you do start to lose things,

628
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 1: and like that's the reality. But I'm also so secure

629
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:05,920
Speaker 1: in that that I don't need to be in the

630
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 1: comments saying I do speak Spanish. No, I do you

631
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:12,879
Speaker 1: know that's not me because no, Like I don't care

632
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,719
Speaker 1: if you think I speak Spanish or not. The point is,

633
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:19,719
Speaker 1: like you're going to criticize even the boat shows, even

634
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 1: the Nosabo kids that are trying to learn. Oh, the

635
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 1: minute they get a word wrong, you're gonna you're gonna

636
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:27,799
Speaker 1: tease them, You're going to criticize them, you're gonna bully them.

637
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 1: It's never gonna be enough for you. Never. And that's

638
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 1: why I don't care if you don't think I speak Spanish,

639
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 1: or if you care, then my quote opinion is wrong. Yeah,

640
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:39,319
Speaker 1: this is historically accurate. This is just true. This is

641
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 1: just what happened. Yeah, totally. It's like real, there's a

642
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:46,479
Speaker 1: real nastiness. There's a real pettiness that comes out when

643
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 1: you make mistakes in Spanish. Oh yeah, and people love

644
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 1: to to just like revel in that, especially online. You

645
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 1: guys don't want us to learn Spanish. You don't care,

646
00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:59,399
Speaker 1: don't give a shit about our learning. Teach our own

647
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 1: kids Spanish. Be concerned about if Spanish, if that's important

648
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 1: to you, if it's being taught in your house or not.

649
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 1: But don't go and put that on other people. Because

650
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:12,280
Speaker 1: I was also the face of this, I felt super

651
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:15,759
Speaker 1: called to also one produce this episode with Mala, and

652
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:20,759
Speaker 1: two like also get the stimonials from our listeners, testimonies

653
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:24,799
Speaker 1: from our listeners, especially the Nosabo kaids, and hear more firsthand,

654
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:30,759
Speaker 1: like how this language eratier happens. And so we're going

655
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:34,160
Speaker 1: to play a couple today. We got over a dozen,

656
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:36,520
Speaker 1: and so we're going to break this up into two episodes.

657
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 1: So if you didn't hear yours today, you might you

658
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 1: will hear it on the next episode. So to start,

659
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:47,839
Speaker 1: Gia from Ontario, Canada. She grew up in Canada. She says,

660
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 1: I grew up in North America and was born in Ecuador,

661
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 1: and she tells us about growing up with no Latinos

662
00:38:53,520 --> 00:39:00,040
Speaker 1: around her. I was born in Ecuador, Wayaquil and my

663
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 1: parents moved here when I was almost one years old,

664
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:05,879
Speaker 1: so I've basically spent my whole life in North America,

665
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 1: and my experience being a no Sabo kid is basically

666
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:17,440
Speaker 1: there were no Hispanic people around us, so no matter what,

667
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:21,240
Speaker 1: we were forced to learn English. I am actually trying

668
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 1: to relearn Spanish now because I have a little two

669
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 1: year old boy who I just want to give him

670
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:34,279
Speaker 1: this gift of our culture, you know, a way to

671
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:38,840
Speaker 1: communicate with all of the relatives that he has in

672
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:43,880
Speaker 1: equaord And it's just such a gift for me to

673
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:49,279
Speaker 1: to be hearing and learning and speaking Spanish again. It

674
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:55,919
Speaker 1: just brings me peace and connection to my grandmother and

675
00:39:56,080 --> 00:40:00,439
Speaker 1: other ancestors who have passed. It's just an amazing gift,

676
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:06,239
Speaker 1: and it's awful that anyone has experienced any kind of

677
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 1: negativity with speaking their language. Born in Virginia, resides in Maryland.

678
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 1: She is a transracial adoptee and is actively trying to

679
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:26,360
Speaker 1: reconnect with her culture. Am I a Nosabo kid la

680
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:30,759
Speaker 1: verda kisi avesis e the bende. I was born in

681
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:33,799
Speaker 1: northern Virginia and Spanish was my first language prior to

682
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 1: Foster care and adoption, and over time I lost it.

683
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:40,400
Speaker 1: So I took Spanish classes in middle, high school, and

684
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:43,920
Speaker 1: college and have accepted it will probably be a lifelong

685
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 1: process to reconnect with my schooldas, and that means Spanish too.

686
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:51,720
Speaker 1: It's painful and difficult to be othered by non Latin people,

687
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:54,879
Speaker 1: and then also by Latin people. In some cases. It's

688
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 1: also hard to feel I have to explain or justify

689
00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:00,799
Speaker 1: why I didn't grow up around Spanish and that I'm

690
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:04,400
Speaker 1: an adopted Latina to new people that I meet, because

691
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:08,279
Speaker 1: my story of forced family separation and cultural separation is

692
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 1: deeply traumatic to me and a story I would rather

693
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:13,799
Speaker 1: share when I feel comfortable and safe with someone new.

694
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:19,919
Speaker 1: Doctor Renee Lemmas of last's podcast from Lakewood, California. She's

695
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:22,440
Speaker 1: an ethnic studies professor, and she tells us one of

696
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 1: the reasons Spanish has not been passed down and why

697
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:28,760
Speaker 1: it continues to happen now. She also shares why language

698
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 1: is not the only cultural marker. You know, Emma, professor,

699
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:35,920
Speaker 1: I've taught in Ethnic studies and Chica Next Studies, and

700
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:40,720
Speaker 1: I talk a lot about this, this idea of why

701
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 1: oftentimes the Spanish language hasn't been passed down for generations,

702
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:54,279
Speaker 1: and absolutely the historical context that Diosa was giving is

703
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:59,720
Speaker 1: absolutely right. There were what was called Americanization programs, where

704
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 1: it was government funded programs, often led by Protestant churches,

705
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:08,400
Speaker 1: and they would go into so we're talking about in

706
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 1: Texas right after the Mexican American War, and they would

707
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:18,799
Speaker 1: go into Mexican communities and particularly target the women and

708
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 1: children and encourage the mothers not to speak Spanish to

709
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:28,800
Speaker 1: their children. And they would kind of do these weird

710
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:32,319
Speaker 1: trainings where they would teach them how to they would

711
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 1: discourage them not just from not speaking Spanish, but from

712
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:38,360
Speaker 1: also cooking their traditional foods. Is I think that a

713
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:42,359
Speaker 1: lot of people get caught up to in that, you know,

714
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:45,400
Speaker 1: the Spanish language is so much a part of our culture,

715
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 1: and it is, and I do think on some level

716
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:51,279
Speaker 1: it is important, and yet it's not the only thing

717
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:55,799
Speaker 1: that is part of Mexican or Latin X culture. There's

718
00:42:55,840 --> 00:43:00,200
Speaker 1: so many other things, you know, food and traditions and

719
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 1: customs and you know, family values. There's just so much

720
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 1: to it that I think when we only put the

721
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:13,839
Speaker 1: emphasis on, like you know, that language is the only

722
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:17,319
Speaker 1: way that we can preserve our culture. I think it

723
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 1: negates that there's so many other things that are a

724
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 1: part of our people today are still being discouraged from

725
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 1: teaching their children Spanish. So my best friend who had

726
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 1: her child was PREMI and she's raised in a bilingual household,

727
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 1: and it seemed like she was having some speech delays,

728
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:41,759
Speaker 1: and they were saying, well, it might be because of

729
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 1: the two languages that she's learning and it's going to

730
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 1: confuse her, when in fact, all the evidence, all the

731
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:53,760
Speaker 1: research shows that that is not the case, that in fact,

732
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 1: children up to seven years old have the brain capacity

733
00:43:57,200 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 1: to learn multiple languages. So of course I immediately sent

734
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:04,239
Speaker 1: her all these articles and all these research in order

735
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 1: for her to give to her doctor to show that

736
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:09,360
Speaker 1: that's not going to cause any kind of speech delays.

737
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 1: Research does show that there might be speech delays up

738
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 1: to like a year or two years, but that eventually

739
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:21,879
Speaker 1: bilingual or multilingual children will will catch up, and that

740
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:25,960
Speaker 1: obviously I always say that knowing multiple languages is like

741
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 1: a superpower. So yeah, so I wanted to make the point.

742
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:33,480
Speaker 1: And I had another friend who was told immediately after

743
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:37,640
Speaker 1: birth sort of question like you're not going to teach

744
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:40,879
Speaker 1: your kids Spanish, right, and we're talking like I'm in

745
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:44,839
Speaker 1: the hospital right after birth. And because my friend is

746
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:49,359
Speaker 1: also a doctor, it was also able to bring in

747
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:51,879
Speaker 1: research and evidence to tell the doctor like, no, that's

748
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 1: not you know, yeah, I was able to kind of

749
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:59,319
Speaker 1: push back against this doctor's racist remarks. But of course

750
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 1: it had me think how many vulnerable people are being

751
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 1: told by you know this by doctors and being made

752
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 1: to feel like, well, the doctor must know best, right,

753
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 1: So this is not something that's just a part of

754
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 1: our history, but something that continues to happen, and that

755
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 1: there's there's a lot of this rhetoric. Brianna Quinto aka

756
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:23,400
Speaker 1: Brie Burrito currently lives in the IE and she is

757
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:26,719
Speaker 1: a second generation No Sabo kid. It's hard for me

758
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:30,320
Speaker 1: to summarize my experience because I'm like second generation no

759
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:33,680
Speaker 1: Sabo third if we're really thinking about it, and people

760
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:36,799
Speaker 1: are always surprised to hear this because one they're like

761
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:40,919
Speaker 1: that's a thing, and two they're really surprised that both

762
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:45,839
Speaker 1: my parents are actually like Latino Latina origin. From my

763
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 1: personal experience growing up, I definitely was bullied if not

764
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:53,360
Speaker 1: girls try to fight me just because I didn't speak Spanish.

765
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:55,760
Speaker 1: I grew up with a lot of friends that spoke Spanish.

766
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:58,360
Speaker 1: I grew with my grandmother that spoke Spanish. But again

767
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:02,400
Speaker 1: that's where the generational things come from. She's from Texas

768
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:06,280
Speaker 1: and she felt so ashamed about her own Spanish because

769
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:09,560
Speaker 1: she spoke Spanglish. If she knew someone could speak English,

770
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:12,240
Speaker 1: she was going to speak English because she felt ashamed

771
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:16,360
Speaker 1: that her Spanish wasn't quote unquote proper enough. But you know,

772
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 1: there's gonna be a hard pill for something y'all to swallow.

773
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:23,239
Speaker 1: You are not very welcoming and if not hostile to

774
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 1: people who you think should speak Spanish. And if an

775
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:30,960
Speaker 1: Anglo American says they want to learn, you know, open arms.

776
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 1: The most patients in the world, you know, happy, gleeful.

777
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:38,880
Speaker 1: But when you see someone who is of Latin X origin,

778
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:43,280
Speaker 1: Latine origin, Latino origin, they don't speak it, you turn

779
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 1: a lot of people, So don't get personal. Lab will

780
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 1: turn into this hustle. Oh so you think you're better.

781
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:53,280
Speaker 1: She should already know. Jenna Palacios from Pomona but currently

782
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:56,319
Speaker 1: residing in Long Beach. She's a reformed no Savo kid.

783
00:46:56,840 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 1: So I would consider myself a reformed no Savo kid.

784
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 1: I grew up not learning Spanish. Spanish was not spoken

785
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 1: to my home. However, my extended family speak Spanish. My

786
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:11,480
Speaker 1: grandparents speaks Spanish. My dad just didn't feel like it

787
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:14,239
Speaker 1: was useful to teach us Spanish. He didn't think that

788
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:16,879
Speaker 1: we would use it in the future. He felt that

789
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:20,320
Speaker 1: English was going to be the dominant language. So pretty

790
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:23,400
Speaker 1: wild because now that I'm fluent in Spanish, I speak

791
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 1: Spanish literally every single day. I consume primarily Latin media,

792
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 1: Latin American media, books, music, So I know he's really

793
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:38,040
Speaker 1: shocked about that. So my family has a pretty strong

794
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:43,919
Speaker 1: history of assimilation, and I think when we look at assimilation,

795
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:47,120
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's sad, and especially in the context

796
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:50,120
Speaker 1: of like poking fun out and Nosavo kids. You know,

797
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:54,800
Speaker 1: you're losing your cultural identity, you're losing touch with your roots,

798
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 1: and it's violent, and you know, it's just like our

799
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:03,959
Speaker 1: history the United States with Indian boarding schools, really all

800
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 1: of that cultural ethnic erasure that happens. And now I

801
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:12,720
Speaker 1: don't really feel that a lot of people think about

802
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 1: that because they are just so focused on assimilating to survive.

803
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 1: So my grandfather, his family was from Texas, South Texas,

804
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:26,680
Speaker 1: and they were there since like the sixteen hundreds when

805
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:30,759
Speaker 1: it was Mexico. He grew up being bilingual, but he

806
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:36,320
Speaker 1: supposedly attended Mexican segregated schools and the kids were punished

807
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:41,040
Speaker 1: in school for speaking Spanish. My grandmother's from Mexico, and

808
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:44,440
Speaker 1: when they raised my dad and his siblings, they spoke

809
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:48,600
Speaker 1: primarily Spanish, and they learned English in school, you know,

810
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:54,440
Speaker 1: like many kids do. And my dad probably won't admit it.

811
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:57,879
Speaker 1: And I am making assumptions here and based off things

812
00:48:57,880 --> 00:48:59,759
Speaker 1: that my mom has told me that he's told her.

813
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:03,200
Speaker 1: I don't think he had great experiences in school. I

814
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:05,640
Speaker 1: think he experienced a lot of racism in his young

815
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:08,840
Speaker 1: adult life, and so I think that's why assimilation for

816
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:12,440
Speaker 1: him was so important and something he put a lot

817
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:17,000
Speaker 1: of work into. Marissareya is raised in Bakersfield. She shares

818
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:23,400
Speaker 1: her experience with US hideosa Hia. My name is Marissareas

819
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:29,680
Speaker 1: and I'm an Osabok. My mom's family is from Mexico City,

820
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 1: and my dad's family, his dad is from somewhere near Sacatecas.

821
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 1: We don't really know exactly. Because she was fleeing an

822
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:50,319
Speaker 1: abusive relationship and my dad's mom. Her family is from

823
00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:53,799
Speaker 1: Texas from what it was still in Mexico, and so

824
00:49:55,400 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 1: I joked that the border crossed her and and it

825
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:07,560
Speaker 1: is really prevalent my Avoila's experience in talking about my

826
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:13,480
Speaker 1: relationship with Spanish. So Mioela grew up in the Great Depression,

827
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:20,800
Speaker 1: and she talks about having gone through the American education

828
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:28,360
Speaker 1: system and how discriminatory they were, how they refused even

829
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:34,800
Speaker 1: to hire bilingual folks to help out. So Maouela actually

830
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:38,520
Speaker 1: went through kindergarten, I think she said, for three years

831
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:43,120
Speaker 1: because they just wrote them off as like just not

832
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:50,080
Speaker 1: being intelligent because they didn't speak English. Mayavola was hit

833
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:53,600
Speaker 1: by teachers like literally forced to sit in a corner

834
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:57,080
Speaker 1: with like a dunce cap kind of thing on for

835
00:50:57,160 --> 00:51:02,920
Speaker 1: speaking Spanish. And when I've talked to her about my

836
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:09,480
Speaker 1: experience struggling with not knowing the language, she and you know,

837
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:13,080
Speaker 1: I grew up with around a lot of other Mexican

838
00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:17,200
Speaker 1: kids and they were more first and second gen whereas

839
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:19,839
Speaker 1: Maeuela has been in this country for a long time

840
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:27,000
Speaker 1: because it used to be in Mexico, and she did

841
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:29,239
Speaker 1: not like that, even though she would love for me

842
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:32,000
Speaker 1: to know more Spanish. She was like, then, they don't

843
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:34,400
Speaker 1: know their history about what we've been through in this country.

844
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:41,760
Speaker 1: Maauella was incredibly active in the Chicano Power movement and

845
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 1: raised her kids to be so proud to be Chicanos,

846
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:48,240
Speaker 1: and Maauella is a very proud to Hannah. Rebecca ruis

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