1
00:00:01,400 --> 00:00:08,520
Speaker 1: Quandy times, but Joseph Scott more so. This past Saturday,

2
00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:17,759
Speaker 1: I was mentioned in a post on X and you know,

3
00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:21,000
Speaker 1: I look down, my handle is on there and everything

4
00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:24,920
Speaker 1: and saying it's just gonna be some comment about, you know,

5
00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:28,360
Speaker 1: some case that's floating around there. Well, yeah, it was

6
00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:33,760
Speaker 1: about a case. And not only was it about a case,

7
00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:36,559
Speaker 1: it was about a very specific case. Because this was

8
00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:44,120
Speaker 1: on Saturday, and on Friday night apparently Dateline did an

9
00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:49,839
Speaker 1: episode on the Idaho four and of course the accused

10
00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:54,200
Speaker 1: is Brian Coberger. Boy, do I have a tale to

11
00:00:54,320 --> 00:01:01,000
Speaker 1: tell you, guys, because apparently apparently I have been viewed

12
00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:09,279
Speaker 1: by certain individuals that I'm prepared to discuss right now.

13
00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:15,880
Speaker 1: I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and this is body Backs. Dave

14
00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:20,360
Speaker 1: kidnap me over with a feather. I'm sitting there with

15
00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:25,560
Speaker 1: my Queen of the Homestead and we're having our morning

16
00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:30,200
Speaker 1: coffee as we do every day, my favorite time of day,

17
00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:35,800
Speaker 1: by the way, and I'm scrolling through the night's events,

18
00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:39,919
Speaker 1: catching up on X formerly known of course as Twitter,

19
00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:45,720
Speaker 1: and lo and behold, I've been tagged, and there before me,

20
00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:49,360
Speaker 1: I see a picture that is a screen grab off

21
00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:56,880
Speaker 1: of Dateline and it's my image. Apparently Ryan Coburger. According

22
00:01:56,920 --> 00:02:04,000
Speaker 1: to them at Dateline, they have information that states that

23
00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:12,800
Speaker 1: he's watching or listening to things on YouTube relative to

24
00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:17,440
Speaker 1: true crime and specifically these four homicides in which he

25
00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:21,359
Speaker 1: is accused of perpetrating. David got to tell you, brother,

26
00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:25,200
Speaker 1: not too many things send a chill up and spine.

27
00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:32,079
Speaker 1: It got my attention real quick when the Idaho case

28
00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:36,400
Speaker 1: kicked off. When we first had a national awareness of it,

29
00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:39,160
Speaker 1: my wife and I were just as shocked. It was

30
00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:42,960
Speaker 1: on a Sunday and it hit the news that afternoon.

31
00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:46,799
Speaker 1: The next day that Monday, I was on national television

32
00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:50,720
Speaker 1: and it seemed like, for oh my lord, it was

33
00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:56,920
Speaker 1: like solid for like three weeks. I just had phone

34
00:02:56,919 --> 00:02:59,800
Speaker 1: calls coming in from all of these different networks, podcast,

35
00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:02,840
Speaker 1: YouTube channels, and all this sort of thing. So the

36
00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:06,920
Speaker 1: fact that I would pop up on his radar, I

37
00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:11,280
Speaker 1: guess because he's seeking I think if you continue with

38
00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:15,440
Speaker 1: this line of logic here, that Dateline is putting forward.

39
00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:20,960
Speaker 1: This isn't me putting this forward, is date Line. I

40
00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:25,520
Speaker 1: would think that he's seeking information from individuals that may

41
00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:29,799
Speaker 1: have practiced in the past, because if you're you know,

42
00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:33,200
Speaker 1: if you're in kind of the atmosphere that I'm in

43
00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:36,080
Speaker 1: right now. I don't work in the field anymore. I'm

44
00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:39,840
Speaker 1: a teacher and then I do commentary. So I bring

45
00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:43,200
Speaker 1: my knowledge from, you know, as a practitioner and as

46
00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:46,200
Speaker 1: an educator to most of the stuff that I do,

47
00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:50,280
Speaker 1: and I just talk about it. And look, I'm not

48
00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:53,400
Speaker 1: the only one. I'm sure that there were multiple, multiple

49
00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:57,960
Speaker 1: locations that he visited along the way and just a

50
00:03:58,040 --> 00:04:02,800
Speaker 1: glean information. And I find that's very interesting what you mentioned, Dave.

51
00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:08,880
Speaker 1: People throw around that term narcissism quite a bit, and

52
00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:11,360
Speaker 1: it seems like it's in every other sentence now then

53
00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:16,440
Speaker 1: everybody's making a diagnosis of narcissism. I don't know if

54
00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:20,039
Speaker 1: that's the same as being egocentric or I guess there's

55
00:04:20,080 --> 00:04:26,880
Speaker 1: shades of this involved in everything. But I'm interested in

56
00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:31,880
Speaker 1: what you have to say about. Was he seeking information

57
00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:37,159
Speaker 1: about the case potentially or was he scratching that edge

58
00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:39,960
Speaker 1: to see his name or see not his name. We

59
00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:43,560
Speaker 1: wouldn't have known it at that time, but to see

60
00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:48,800
Speaker 1: the shock that it elicits from the general public. You know,

61
00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:52,200
Speaker 1: every time there's some breathless reporter that comes on the air,

62
00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:56,120
Speaker 1: to talk about some little new thing that has developed.

63
00:04:57,880 --> 00:05:01,640
Speaker 2: I wonder why John, Yeah, why he But not I

64
00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:04,880
Speaker 2: kind of I'm more like, I wonder why he's listening

65
00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:08,000
Speaker 2: or watching that particular show. But I really I think

66
00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:10,640
Speaker 2: it's feeding his ego, you know, getting his name mentioned.

67
00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:13,760
Speaker 2: But I think it's also you got to remember he's

68
00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:20,599
Speaker 2: also a student, so almost a professional student in his life.

69
00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:24,000
Speaker 2: You know, he didn't really go out of the educational atmosphere.

70
00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:27,360
Speaker 2: But I think based on what we know of him,

71
00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:33,479
Speaker 2: and it makes sense that he would be driven to

72
00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:38,640
Speaker 2: watch or listen to a professor give a breakdown as

73
00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:41,479
Speaker 2: opposed to a clinician. It just makes sense to me

74
00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:44,880
Speaker 2: that he would be that he. I don't want to

75
00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:46,760
Speaker 2: say that he's a you know, he's drawn to you,

76
00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:48,800
Speaker 2: but it makes sense to me that he would care

77
00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:52,000
Speaker 2: what your opinion was because as a student, he wants

78
00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:57,880
Speaker 2: to impress the professor, and as a suspected killer, you know,

79
00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:00,000
Speaker 2: he wants as much fame. He's not gonna get away

80
00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:02,120
Speaker 2: with it. At this point that they've pretty much made

81
00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:05,120
Speaker 2: sure that the judge has made sure that everything that

82
00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:08,360
Speaker 2: they didn't want in is coming in. And so at

83
00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:10,920
Speaker 2: this point I think they're trying to mitigate the death penalty.

84
00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:12,800
Speaker 2: You know, is there a way that we can avoid that?

85
00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:17,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean Exhibit one A is autism, right, yeah,

86
00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:20,880
Speaker 1: because autism has nothing to do with him his appearance

87
00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:21,359
Speaker 1: in court.

88
00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:21,960
Speaker 3: You mentioned.

89
00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:25,440
Speaker 1: I love that word mitigate. By the way, they're trying

90
00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:28,520
Speaker 1: to mitigate the death penalty here, they're trying to say

91
00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:33,000
Speaker 1: that he's he's not eligible because he's diagnosed with autism,

92
00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:34,400
Speaker 1: which you know is.

93
00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:37,200
Speaker 2: You're mentally handicapped. Because of that, then how did you

94
00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:42,440
Speaker 2: get to be in to be in a college level

95
00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:46,120
Speaker 2: a program you know, that just doesn't hold wall. That

96
00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:48,960
Speaker 2: is just a bucket full of holes man?

97
00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:49,320
Speaker 3: Really?

98
00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:53,880
Speaker 1: Yeah? And that based on listen listen. People that would

99
00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:56,680
Speaker 1: that would make a different argument will say, well, you

100
00:06:56,720 --> 00:07:01,120
Speaker 1: don't understand the spectrum is nuanced. I I mean, how

101
00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:03,599
Speaker 1: many times have we heard that? And look, that's gonna

102
00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:06,000
Speaker 1: be The people that say that are making the same

103
00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:08,200
Speaker 1: argument that the defense is making.

104
00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:12,000
Speaker 2: You and I have had this conversation about the on

105
00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:14,640
Speaker 2: the spectrum with regard to my grandson.

106
00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:17,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

107
00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:20,240
Speaker 2: As soon as that started coming out on this, I went, really,

108
00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:22,680
Speaker 2: you're going to play this card. Let's see how far

109
00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:26,400
Speaker 2: they go, and having seen it up close and personal,

110
00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:31,640
Speaker 2: I wasn't shocked that they tried to play it. I'm

111
00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:35,760
Speaker 2: thankful that nobody bought it. Well, I'm not shocked the

112
00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:36,720
Speaker 2: game looking for you.

113
00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:41,080
Speaker 1: I want to interject one more thing and about this

114
00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:47,920
Speaker 1: as well. People throw around this term in cell. Oh yeah,

115
00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:51,000
Speaker 1: so you know they'll say, uh, you know, I'll just

116
00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:53,520
Speaker 1: see random comments that will pop up on social media

117
00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:58,040
Speaker 1: and they'll say classic insul And I'm thinking, Okay, how

118
00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:00,160
Speaker 1: did that? How'd you arrive at that dog noo is?

119
00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:02,320
Speaker 1: Because I can tell you this. There is a manual

120
00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:07,640
Speaker 1: that mental health workers use. It's called the DSM, and

121
00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:11,520
Speaker 1: it's in multiple iterations, and I think they're in like

122
00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:15,280
Speaker 1: the third third. I'm sorry, excuse me, they're in the

123
00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:18,800
Speaker 1: fifth iteration of this now nowhere in that manual or

124
00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:20,760
Speaker 1: you can go in there and find the term in cell.

125
00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:25,720
Speaker 1: And the way this manual, the DSM works is that, yeah,

126
00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:28,040
Speaker 1: it helps you make diagnoses, but you know what else

127
00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:30,920
Speaker 1: they do. There's a code in there so that when

128
00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:34,520
Speaker 1: mental health people are making a diagnosis, they have to

129
00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:37,120
Speaker 1: enter that code onto their insurance forms in order to

130
00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:41,120
Speaker 1: get reimbursed. So if there was money to be made

131
00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:47,120
Speaker 1: with a diagnosis of being an in cell And I

132
00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:49,880
Speaker 1: don't even know what you would call it, in cell titis,

133
00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:52,959
Speaker 1: in cell itis. I have no idea that that implies

134
00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:56,160
Speaker 1: an infection. There's no such thing in the mental health

135
00:08:56,200 --> 00:09:00,440
Speaker 1: world as being an in cell. This is a uh,

136
00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:04,360
Speaker 1: a term that has been created to categorize a certain

137
00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:09,720
Speaker 1: group of men. And so they've used this term for him,

138
00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:11,959
Speaker 1: and you know, they just kind of throw these terms

139
00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:15,199
Speaker 1: around like that.

140
00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:17,360
Speaker 2: If you don't know what in cel means, it means

141
00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:18,679
Speaker 2: involuntarily sulibate.

142
00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:22,480
Speaker 3: It's for guys who have trouble with girls.

143
00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:26,240
Speaker 2: And and to be honest with you, they would have

144
00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:28,640
Speaker 2: a problem with most guys, you know, based on the

145
00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:33,360
Speaker 2: way they talk, act and think. They're not the type

146
00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:36,120
Speaker 2: of individual I know anybody would hang out with.

147
00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:39,960
Speaker 1: And so I think it's weird. I mean, most of

148
00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:42,880
Speaker 1: the time people are you know, you come across somebody

149
00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:50,240
Speaker 1: in there, you know, I don't know, eccentric maybe.

150
00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:51,920
Speaker 3: But that's a great term.

151
00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:57,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, eccentricity, you know, And uh, I have a

152
00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:00,319
Speaker 1: touch of that in me. I'm a college professor. I'm

153
00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:03,200
Speaker 1: it's actually mandated in my contract every year you must

154
00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:07,040
Speaker 1: be eccentric because you're a college professor, but you know,

155
00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:09,720
Speaker 1: back to this idea of him. Can I tell you

156
00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:12,880
Speaker 1: one other thing that happened to me on Saturday morning

157
00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:15,400
Speaker 1: as I sat there with my with my bride and

158
00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:20,200
Speaker 1: my cup of Joe's.

159
00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:19,720
Speaker 3: Weird to hear you call it a cup of Joe.

160
00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:22,760
Speaker 1: I know it is kind of weird, isn't it. I

161
00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:26,800
Speaker 1: sat there and as I'm sipping on my coffee and

162
00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:30,040
Speaker 1: I'm kind of absorbing this thing, the first thing that

163
00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:35,000
Speaker 1: jumped into my mind's eye was what did I say?

164
00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:40,640
Speaker 1: What did I say? Did I Did I say anything

165
00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:46,920
Speaker 1: that could have been taken by this individual and had

166
00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:49,560
Speaker 1: some kind of utility for them? And you can't think

167
00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:54,319
Speaker 1: that way. But that's not it's not outside. I mean,

168
00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:57,000
Speaker 1: we go to crime con and I actually have people

169
00:10:57,080 --> 00:11:01,640
Speaker 1: that will walk up to me. Happens almost every crime con.

170
00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:05,000
Speaker 1: They'll say, do you feel like that you're teaching killers

171
00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:10,800
Speaker 1: out there? Perspective killers? And no, I'm teaching forensics. I mean,

172
00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:14,160
Speaker 1: all are welcome at the table, I guess, but you know,

173
00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:16,600
Speaker 1: you can't tell who's out there in the audience when

174
00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:19,640
Speaker 1: you're making any kind of comment. You could say the

175
00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:22,199
Speaker 1: same thing I guess about the people that are on Dateline.

176
00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:25,040
Speaker 1: I mean, they do this, They've done this for years.

177
00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:28,360
Speaker 1: You know, they have that sloted time and there are

178
00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:32,800
Speaker 1: people that can't go without watching Dateline. Hey, that's cool

179
00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:35,320
Speaker 1: if that's what you're what you're all about. But you

180
00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:39,560
Speaker 1: know they're disseminating information as well. But you know, I

181
00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:42,040
Speaker 1: had that, I've had that thought. You know, that's come

182
00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:45,400
Speaker 1: up in my mind, you know, over the years, you know,

183
00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:49,920
Speaker 1: thinking about you know, who's within the sound of my voice.

184
00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:55,040
Speaker 1: And I look, if you think that's bad, I think

185
00:11:55,200 --> 00:12:03,040
Speaker 1: now about my academic colleagues that are at the Sales University.

186
00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:10,400
Speaker 1: And now all of these years later, after this massacre

187
00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:17,360
Speaker 1: in Moscow, Idaho took place, I really wonder are they thinking,

188
00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:36,320
Speaker 1: are they thinking, what do we teach you? Well, brother Dave,

189
00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:44,520
Speaker 1: Aside from my mug appearing on television and the shock

190
00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:48,320
Speaker 1: my own personal pearl clutching that took place over it,

191
00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:54,040
Speaker 1: they did. They did have information that they revealed and

192
00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:56,320
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff with stuff that we had not

193
00:12:56,480 --> 00:13:02,000
Speaker 1: heard before, you know, kind of this as it applies

194
00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:05,560
Speaker 1: to what was going on within the house. And you know,

195
00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:07,920
Speaker 1: my question, I think one of my big questions is

196
00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:13,040
Speaker 1: how'd they come into this information Dateline, that is, was

197
00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:17,240
Speaker 1: there a source within some department up there, you know?

198
00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:20,840
Speaker 1: And I don't know. I'm not going to even state

199
00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:24,360
Speaker 1: any department. I'm just going to say that there are

200
00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:30,120
Speaker 1: multiple departments that are involved in the investigation of these

201
00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:38,080
Speaker 1: four homicides. If the folks at Dateline, the producers felt

202
00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:41,720
Speaker 1: this strongly that they would produce this thing. And I

203
00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:45,359
Speaker 1: bet you dollars to know, Netes Brother, that this episode,

204
00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:47,400
Speaker 1: I bet they had some of the highest ratings they've

205
00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:50,640
Speaker 1: had in a while, just simply based on this, on

206
00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:53,520
Speaker 1: this particular episode, because there were a couple of really

207
00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:54,920
Speaker 1: big reveals in this day.

208
00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:56,319
Speaker 3: And they built it up right.

209
00:13:56,720 --> 00:13:58,560
Speaker 2: They did a good job promoting it, you know, And

210
00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:02,640
Speaker 2: there's a zeitgeis here with this particular killing, this murderer

211
00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:03,800
Speaker 2: of whatever.

212
00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:05,560
Speaker 3: You know.

213
00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:09,000
Speaker 2: To call a topic popular when you're dealing with the

214
00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:12,839
Speaker 2: deaths of four college students is mind numbing. It shows

215
00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:14,920
Speaker 2: you a lot about how we look at things. But

216
00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:17,880
Speaker 2: you know, every time now that we talk about the

217
00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:22,360
Speaker 2: Coburger story, the murders, I'm gonna be honest, Joe, I

218
00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:25,680
Speaker 2: have a twinge of hurt for you over what happened

219
00:14:25,680 --> 00:14:28,960
Speaker 2: in Orlando at crime Con when you were giving an

220
00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:33,520
Speaker 2: incredibly you did a loving tribute to the students, to

221
00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:36,840
Speaker 2: the victims. You talked with a lot of care about

222
00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:40,520
Speaker 2: what they went through and what happened, and you kind

223
00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:46,240
Speaker 2: of got at the very end, you know, I felt

224
00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:48,720
Speaker 2: like that you were not treated the way you should

225
00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:49,560
Speaker 2: have been treated.

226
00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:51,160
Speaker 3: By somebody, and that bothered me.

227
00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:53,960
Speaker 2: And so every time we cover this story, I think

228
00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:56,560
Speaker 2: about how, no matter hard you work to take care

229
00:14:56,840 --> 00:14:59,800
Speaker 2: of talking about the individuals, you and I are both victim,

230
00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:02,440
Speaker 2: the kids, and whenever we're not seen that way, it

231
00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:02,960
Speaker 2: bothers me.

232
00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:07,760
Speaker 1: And yeah it does. And listen, it's like I said before,

233
00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:10,760
Speaker 1: you know, not turning down any kind of offer that's made,

234
00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:17,080
Speaker 1: even in those circumstances, which, by the way, I think

235
00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:19,000
Speaker 1: I've made mentioned this before. But it was in a

236
00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:21,720
Speaker 1: room of thirty four hundred people. Yeah, I don't think

237
00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:23,960
Speaker 1: that I've ever spoken to a crowd that large before.

238
00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:26,680
Speaker 1: I couldn't see the back of the room. You know,

239
00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:28,800
Speaker 1: first off, there's lights in your eyes. It was awesome,

240
00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:32,120
Speaker 1: but I could tell there were a lot of people,

241
00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:35,720
Speaker 1: and so I couldn't I couldn't see beyond it. But yeah,

242
00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:40,440
Speaker 1: and it was a learning experience and you never know,

243
00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:43,080
Speaker 1: you know, you never know what's going to bubble up

244
00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:50,960
Speaker 1: out of that. But when you think about what Dateline

245
00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:55,360
Speaker 1: has done in talking about this case, thirty four hundred people,

246
00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:59,600
Speaker 1: is nothing that happened that night or that afternoon, you know,

247
00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:04,280
Speaker 1: with me me, you think about the people that they reach,

248
00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:07,920
Speaker 1: and there's not going to be aybody standing up and

249
00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:10,520
Speaker 1: making some kind of comment in the crowd. This is

250
00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:13,680
Speaker 1: going to be about something else. You know, there might

251
00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:15,960
Speaker 1: be people at home screaming at the television screen for

252
00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:19,640
Speaker 1: all I know. I have no idea. But when you

253
00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:26,520
Speaker 1: get into like that kind of real granular detail about

254
00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:30,360
Speaker 1: what they are being told, and I have to think

255
00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:37,720
Speaker 1: that they're being told because they're not investigators. I think that,

256
00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:41,040
Speaker 1: you know, the most striking thing that came out of

257
00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:44,880
Speaker 1: this is that there was one part I believe where

258
00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:52,400
Speaker 1: they they allege that Xanna may have gone upstairs when

259
00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:54,440
Speaker 1: she heard a noise. Now I don't know how they

260
00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:56,440
Speaker 1: validate that. I don't know how they come up with that.

261
00:16:57,200 --> 00:17:01,120
Speaker 1: And then of course she is perhaps it's kind of

262
00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:05,639
Speaker 1: implied that maybe she was chased back downstairs by Coburger

263
00:17:05,720 --> 00:17:08,800
Speaker 1: he goes into the room attacks her. You know, she

264
00:17:08,840 --> 00:17:12,600
Speaker 1: had been up, she had received the order, that they

265
00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:16,480
Speaker 1: had done the food order. She was awake, And it

266
00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:20,560
Speaker 1: deviates from what we had heard about Ethan because now

267
00:17:21,080 --> 00:17:24,399
Speaker 1: they're saying that Ethan most likely was asleep in bed.

268
00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:28,679
Speaker 1: And we know what we have been what we have

269
00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:32,040
Speaker 1: heard previously about Xanna and her injuries where you've got

270
00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:36,320
Speaker 1: these sharp force injuries that literally go down to the

271
00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:41,720
Speaker 1: cartilage in her fingers where there's either blade grabbing going

272
00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:44,919
Speaker 1: on in a defensive posture or she's been stabbed in

273
00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:47,560
Speaker 1: the hand, and of course she's brutalized at that point.

274
00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:52,919
Speaker 1: And then you know, my lord, the information that Dayline

275
00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:57,680
Speaker 1: is saying, again not Morgan saying it. What they're talking

276
00:17:57,680 --> 00:18:01,440
Speaker 1: about relative to Ethan. You know, we've heard that Ethan.

277
00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:03,760
Speaker 1: I think there was one iteration where they said Ethan

278
00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:09,080
Speaker 1: was on the floor and uh, just adjacent to the

279
00:18:09,119 --> 00:18:13,600
Speaker 1: door and he'd had a really nasty injury to his neck.

280
00:18:15,119 --> 00:18:19,680
Speaker 1: That according to that doesn't square with what Dayline is saying,

281
00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:23,960
Speaker 1: because Dayline and correct me if I'm wrong. Dave Dayline

282
00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:30,439
Speaker 1: said that Ethan's leg or legs were carved up with

283
00:18:31,080 --> 00:18:33,600
Speaker 1: sharp force injury and that he was in the bed,

284
00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:38,600
Speaker 1: so that it completely changes the dynamic of what we

285
00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:41,159
Speaker 1: had known about this case to begin with. Am I

286
00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:43,440
Speaker 1: am I right? Isn't that what I said?

287
00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:47,119
Speaker 2: And you know when I saw that, I thought, this

288
00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:50,520
Speaker 2: is new. This is not information that we have had

289
00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:53,280
Speaker 2: up to this point. As a matter of fact, a

290
00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:56,400
Speaker 2: lot of the stuff that we're being told now are

291
00:18:56,480 --> 00:19:00,680
Speaker 2: things we had didn't know or things that they don't

292
00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:02,159
Speaker 2: make sense to be honest with you. You know, we

293
00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:05,080
Speaker 2: were told at first that Dylan Mortenson, you know, the

294
00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:08,159
Speaker 2: the bushy the one who described the bushy eyebrows, that

295
00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:11,520
Speaker 2: Dylan you know, that she heard something and went back

296
00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:13,600
Speaker 2: and went to sleep and woke up around noon.

297
00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:14,119
Speaker 1: You know.

298
00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:17,719
Speaker 2: Now we find out that Dylan Mortenson was on the

299
00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:23,040
Speaker 2: phone all the time. So there's a lot of things.

300
00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:26,119
Speaker 1: Actually, And I think that information actually came out prior

301
00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:28,919
Speaker 1: to the Dateline special. It did, and that was like

302
00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:30,880
Speaker 1: week week or week before last.

303
00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:35,400
Speaker 3: Yes, I think it was a slow trickle of things and.

304
00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:37,040
Speaker 1: That has that has gone gone on.

305
00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:42,480
Speaker 2: You know, Joe, I remember back to the Scott Peterson case,

306
00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:48,480
Speaker 2: and do you remember what happened between the first day

307
00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:52,239
Speaker 2: of the trial and the last day, other than all

308
00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:55,560
Speaker 2: the evidence, there was a really big reveal, a really

309
00:19:55,600 --> 00:20:01,920
Speaker 2: big change happened. And it's because that that whenever I

310
00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:05,160
Speaker 2: see a trickle of information coming out or something that

311
00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:08,280
Speaker 2: is really counter to what we believe up to this moment,

312
00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:13,359
Speaker 2: I realize that investigators don't have all the truth yet

313
00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:18,359
Speaker 2: they're still figuring it out. In the Peterson case, the

314
00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:24,560
Speaker 2: investigators the prosecutors open by saying they believe Lacy Peterson

315
00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:28,800
Speaker 2: was killed on December twenty third. Yeah, and by the

316
00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:32,639
Speaker 2: end of the trial it was proved that no, she

317
00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:34,640
Speaker 2: wasn't killed in she was killed on Christmas Eve.

318
00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:38,040
Speaker 3: That's a pretty big difference.

319
00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:44,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's why when something like that can happen

320
00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:47,399
Speaker 2: in a major crime that had all the world's attention

321
00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:51,600
Speaker 2: and still does. Peterson still has huge ratings. The guy's

322
00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:55,359
Speaker 2: got the La Innocence Project. I mean, everybody's working on

323
00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:58,040
Speaker 2: this thing. And you know, I'll be honest with you, Joe,

324
00:20:58,119 --> 00:21:01,879
Speaker 2: if investigators had that part wrong, I got a feeling.

325
00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:04,840
Speaker 2: Look I think he did it, but go ahead and

326
00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:08,439
Speaker 2: look at it again. But in this case, how do

327
00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:11,240
Speaker 2: you go from saying the reason we didn't get a

328
00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:13,520
Speaker 2: nine one one call until noon. Is because the roommate

329
00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:16,400
Speaker 2: was asleep. After she sees a guy with bushy hair

330
00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:18,760
Speaker 2: is bolting out the door, she just goes and lays

331
00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:21,199
Speaker 2: down and crashes out. But then we find out she

332
00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:23,680
Speaker 2: was on the phone the whole time. It can't be both,

333
00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:24,920
Speaker 2: It has to be one of the other.

334
00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:27,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is not one of these things where two

335
00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:29,840
Speaker 1: things can be right at the same time. You know.

336
00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:32,000
Speaker 1: I hear that phrase come up a lot now in

337
00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:36,640
Speaker 1: our conversations all around, And so what do you think, Yeah,

338
00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:41,800
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think that. I don't. I guess

339
00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:45,879
Speaker 1: that if you're stating not you. But they, if they

340
00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:49,719
Speaker 1: are stating that they have information now that indicates that

341
00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:53,080
Speaker 1: there was phone activity. Remember we got those text you know,

342
00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:57,919
Speaker 1: talking about run run to me expletive, you know, all

343
00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:02,440
Speaker 1: these sorts of things. And there was even one one

344
00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:05,840
Speaker 1: bit that came out recently. And I don't know how

345
00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:11,399
Speaker 1: they concluded this that Dylan actually saw Xana's body and

346
00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:15,120
Speaker 1: maybe thought she was sleeping. But I got to tell you,

347
00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:17,479
Speaker 1: I don't know what the degree of lighting was in

348
00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:22,200
Speaker 1: that environment. And I know she's not a trained professional,

349
00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:27,840
Speaker 1: at least I don't think she is. She in my estimation,

350
00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:31,359
Speaker 1: the area around her would have been super saturated with blood.

351
00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:35,399
Speaker 1: So how can you merely, when you're looking over your

352
00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:39,560
Speaker 1: shoulder just say, yes, she was sleeping, And why would

353
00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:42,919
Speaker 1: she be sleeping on the floor. I mean, what are

354
00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:47,080
Speaker 1: you thinking she passed out? She passed out drunk, because

355
00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:50,240
Speaker 1: that doesn't seem like something she would have done necessarily.

356
00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:52,520
Speaker 1: She staid with her boyfriend. And look, I know that

357
00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:56,639
Speaker 1: there's we don't know yet alcohol had been imbibed. I

358
00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:59,520
Speaker 1: mean they had come from a fraternity party, you know,

359
00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:02,080
Speaker 1: and every one of my fraternity parties, I can tell

360
00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:05,680
Speaker 1: you they were not teetotalers there neither was I was

361
00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:08,919
Speaker 1: chief among sinners. And so I got to tell you,

362
00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:13,960
Speaker 1: I think about this, and I think about the information

363
00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:21,000
Speaker 1: that has been provided along the way at about the

364
00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:26,199
Speaker 1: circumstances that night, maybe even leading up to that day's events,

365
00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:32,200
Speaker 1: and what happened afterwards. I'm still I still think, Dave,

366
00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:35,880
Speaker 1: that at this point in time, I still have more

367
00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:53,680
Speaker 1: questions than I do answers. Let's see adage, Dave, A

368
00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:56,880
Speaker 1: picture's wors what one thousand words is that? What they

369
00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:59,919
Speaker 1: say is that I get confused sometimes.

370
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:01,840
Speaker 3: Your paints a thousand words.

371
00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:05,200
Speaker 1: Come on, this is David Gates.

372
00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:08,560
Speaker 3: And pread An I had record.

373
00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:11,760
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, Telly was singing it too.

374
00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:14,520
Speaker 3: Uh picked your pains, that does.

375
00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:25,040
Speaker 1: And uh, these images that have come out of Coburger, listen,

376
00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:28,040
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you. And I, uh, I'm in no

377
00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:32,439
Speaker 1: way pro Coburger, but these are and I don't know

378
00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:36,040
Speaker 1: if these are going to be admitted into evidence because

379
00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:38,520
Speaker 1: on one level, you know, just when you see the

380
00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:41,880
Speaker 1: sinister nature of them, because they do, they do look sinister.

381
00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:45,439
Speaker 1: And remember we've been warned not to look at his eyes.

382
00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:50,400
Speaker 1: You know, we can't. Defenses sucked, you can't because of

383
00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:53,679
Speaker 1: his condition. You know, he's got that blank stare. You know,

384
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:56,840
Speaker 1: he wears he's you know, he stares off in the distance.

385
00:24:57,520 --> 00:24:59,520
Speaker 1: You know. I've been locked up in a room with

386
00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:03,160
Speaker 1: a lot of people over the years, uh when I'm lecturing,

387
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:06,159
Speaker 1: and they've got blank stares as well, you know. So

388
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:08,439
Speaker 1: I don't know how much can be read into that.

389
00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:13,840
Speaker 1: And and but when they did release these, these these

390
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:18,280
Speaker 1: images of him, you know, with the hoodie on and

391
00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:22,160
Speaker 1: he's got like a watchcaps knit cap to bogging thing

392
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:25,720
Speaker 1: on under it, and you know he looks like you know,

393
00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:28,040
Speaker 1: he's very dark looking at it. You know, he's got

394
00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:30,919
Speaker 1: the thing kind of drawn down like a Holocaust cloak,

395
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:34,080
Speaker 1: you know, like monks used to wear. Uh, it's got that,

396
00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:37,400
Speaker 1: it's got that weird, you know, kind of vibe to it.

397
00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:39,919
Speaker 1: Is that part of the evidence. Is this the trove

398
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,439
Speaker 1: of evidence, some of the electronic evidence, it's going to

399
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:48,399
Speaker 1: be presented in court? And if it is, how on

400
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:50,280
Speaker 1: the whole dateline get their hands on it?

401
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:52,840
Speaker 3: I don't know how they got it. I don't know.

402
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:54,800
Speaker 2: I do know that I've made a number of calls

403
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:57,639
Speaker 2: trying to find out it's some information to verify things,

404
00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:01,840
Speaker 2: and I'm I'm not finding it out, but you know,

405
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:06,160
Speaker 2: you do have an investigation that if you remember early on,

406
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:11,560
Speaker 2: remember they had the the person who was the not

407
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:16,159
Speaker 2: the medical examiner, but they were like voted in on

408
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:19,480
Speaker 2: the corner, like yeah, the corner. Yeah, how the corner

409
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:23,160
Speaker 2: gave out information yes, early on that we would never

410
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:25,480
Speaker 2: hear before, you know, from a No, I don't want

411
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 2: to say a legitimate source, but you know what I'm saying,

412
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:31,240
Speaker 2: that was a very unusual way to get information.

413
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:32,320
Speaker 3: The way it was.

414
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:37,600
Speaker 1: Little God, it was when I when that dropped, when

415
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:41,840
Speaker 1: that person dropped that information. First off, she actually stated

416
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:46,960
Speaker 1: that they all appeared to have been asleep, you know,

417
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:50,800
Speaker 1: and my you know, I thought at that time, now,

418
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:54,640
Speaker 1: if we were to believe what's going on with this

419
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:58,200
Speaker 1: new data that's coming out, it's confirmation to me, did

420
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:00,639
Speaker 1: you even go to the scene and see the you know,

421
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:02,960
Speaker 1: how long were you there with the bodies that you

422
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:07,520
Speaker 1: would make these observations because I got to tell you,

423
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:14,159
Speaker 1: I don't know what appears to have been asleep means

424
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:17,560
Speaker 1: did Xana sleep on the floor? Is that what you mean?

425
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:22,080
Speaker 1: Because and again it's it's skewed. That's an area that

426
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:26,560
Speaker 1: the corner never should open up about on any kind

427
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:28,679
Speaker 1: of case. And Dave, I don't care how in what

428
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:31,959
Speaker 1: far flung area of the country you're in. That's like

429
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 1: a minimal that's kind of a baseline of knowledge that

430
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 1: every corner has. We've had the national standards in place

431
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:44,280
Speaker 1: now for medical legal death investigators since nineteen ninety eight.

432
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 1: That's like a one of the things that we kind

433
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 1: of pound into people's heads in that training that we

434
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:53,000
Speaker 1: established all those years ago was that you worked together

435
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:56,040
Speaker 1: as a team when you're talking about a homicide day,

436
00:27:56,119 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 1: particularly especially one that is unsolved. You're an elected official,

437
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:06,720
Speaker 1: you're separate from the cops. You can say what you

438
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:10,960
Speaker 1: want to say. But let me tell you this, I

439
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:14,199
Speaker 1: don't see her getting Christmas cards in the future, you

440
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:16,119
Speaker 1: know what I mean. She ain't gonna be invited to

441
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 1: the Christmas party all right in the wake of this,

442
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:23,800
Speaker 1: because that is it's foreboden. You don't do this, You

443
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:27,000
Speaker 1: don't step outside what I refer to as the investigative bubble,

444
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:34,120
Speaker 1: because there's no telling who's listening. And unless they told

445
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 1: her just to say these things, and I can't imagine

446
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:41,440
Speaker 1: anybody would would have done that, I don't understand why

447
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 1: she felt compelled to begin to talk about these things

448
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 1: that seem to be inaccurate exactly that that's the most

449
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 1: gentle way that I can put that.

450
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:54,960
Speaker 3: I think you're being kind.

451
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:58,720
Speaker 2: I think that there's a number of issues here that

452
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 2: this dayline's special. Again, I don't know where they got

453
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 2: their information, but they felt comfortable enough with it from

454
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 2: a legal standpoint to put it on national network television

455
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 2: and nobody has come out to scream about it. So

456
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:14,080
Speaker 2: it kind of makes you believe that there is information

457
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 2: that is available somehow. But a couple of questions I

458
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 2: still have, Joe, is that again? I go back to

459
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 2: Dylan Mortenson, and I really I don't want to beat

460
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 2: this dead horse. They tore the building down, they tore

461
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 2: the house down, and we have no way of going

462
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 2: in there to verify anything, because I have real questions

463
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 2: about the people they call survivors. I have real questions,

464
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 2: mainly because I haven't heard what actually transpired. But now

465
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 2: we've been told about Dylan being on the phone the

466
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:49,840
Speaker 2: whole time, texting back and forth and on Indeed or

467
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 2: Facebook or whatever, and you know that seems to be

468
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 2: a little odd thing to do for eight hours and

469
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 2: then get up and you have this carnage going on.

470
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:03,120
Speaker 2: You don't call nine one one. But again, stepping over that,

471
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 2: the timetable puts Xanakernodle ordering food at four o'clock in

472
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:14,360
Speaker 2: the morning, yes, and it being delivered at four oh

473
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:20,720
Speaker 2: eight something like that. So the timetable we're looking at

474
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 2: begins there with Xena and ends before four thirty according

475
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:31,480
Speaker 2: to what we've been told. Right, so you've got a

476
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:34,640
Speaker 2: twenty minute window where one guy is going to come

477
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 2: into a house with six people and he is going

478
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:45,120
Speaker 2: to be able to brutally kill very quickly enough that

479
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:47,560
Speaker 2: it was quick enough that he didn't wake up Ethan,

480
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 2: because they say Ethan was asleep when he was attacked.

481
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 2: Although I'm still wondering, how does he get something carved

482
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:55,000
Speaker 2: into his leg? If he is the last victim and

483
00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:58,360
Speaker 2: he slept through the whole thing again, Yeah.

484
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 1: Just a whole lot responsible owned. You would think that

485
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:04,400
Speaker 1: that would be something that would, you know, jolt you away.

486
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 1: Of course, we don't know about sequencing. Think. Let's okay,

487
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 1: let me let me throw.

488
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 3: This at you. I was just going to ask you

489
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 3: figured that one out.

490
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 1: Well, well, just let me throw this at you. Yeah,

491
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 1: if what date this is not Morgan saying this date line,

492
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 1: If what dateline is saying is accurate, okay, then what

493
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 1: are the what are the fatal wounds that Ethan would

494
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 1: have sustained. It's it's not going to be a carving

495
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 1: of the leg. Okay, that's not going to be fatal,

496
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 1: at least in the immediate You might exanguinate after a

497
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 1: period of time depended upon how deep, how deeply your

498
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:47,560
Speaker 1: legs might have been cut. However, here's here's a here's

499
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 1: something I want to throw at you. What if he

500
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 1: was attacked in another area of his body. And then

501
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:54,960
Speaker 1: after the fact this is done to him. You know,

502
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 1: that goes into an area of mutilation. And again I

503
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 1: know I'm projecting here. He's a male, He's only male

504
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 1: in domsaw wow. And I think back to a comment

505
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 1: that was made in this program by this person that

506
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 1: knew him over at Washington State, and she had invited him,

507
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:23,560
Speaker 1: allegedly to a pool party and his eyes, according to her,

508
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 1: had locked on to these two young women that were

509
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 1: clad and mikini's and was just focused on them. He

510
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 1: knows nobody. This is like, we feel sorry for this guy.

511
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 1: We want to invite him in kind of introduce him

512
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:43,240
Speaker 1: to It's probably other graduate students thasga's, those sorts of

513
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 1: people that are working toward the same goals, or maybe

514
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 1: employees that work in the department, and he can't take

515
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:52,480
Speaker 1: his eyes off of them. As a matter of fact,

516
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 1: he interjects himself into a conversation with one of these

517
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 1: young women allegedly that was there with her husband. Never

518
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 1: acknowledged the husband. The entire conversation is having a conversation

519
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:10,959
Speaker 1: like her with her allegedly like it goes something like,

520
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 1: you do you like rock climbing, do you like hiking?

521
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:18,120
Speaker 1: You know, just completely inappropriate. And I think about that,

522
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:21,840
Speaker 1: and you're dismissing the male that's there. And if what

523
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:23,720
Speaker 1: they're talking about really and I don't know if this

524
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 1: was their point with a dateline special, that they maybe

525
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 1: perhaps are intimating that he did something to Ethan because

526
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 1: he's a male, he was there and there were these

527
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:39,720
Speaker 1: other females. Maybe that's a long shot. I have no idea,

528
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 1: but I don't know. It's it's certainly something to think about.

529
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 2: I don't think he was just out tuling around looking

530
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 2: at stars at four o'clock in the morning and said, hey,

531
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 2: there's a nice house.

532
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 3: I think i'll go in and see. I can't kill anybody,

533
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 3: you know.

534
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 1: No, no, this is this is a location that whoever

535
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 1: did this, whoever did this, had some level of familiarity

536
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 1: with it. And you know, that's another interesting bit that

537
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 1: they dropped here, Dave, is the fact that now, and

538
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:08,799
Speaker 1: I don't know, this might be bigger than anything else

539
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:12,760
Speaker 1: that now we've got new surveillance photos or surveillance video

540
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:17,120
Speaker 1: from an adjacent house where you can and we've never

541
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 1: seen this before. That was one of the other big

542
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:22,360
Speaker 1: reveals here where you can see what appears to be

543
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 1: a white Lantra that's that's making loops and passive. Do

544
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 1: you remember some of the other footage that we had

545
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:37,880
Speaker 1: initially that we've talked about before, and it's real blurry.

546
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:41,840
Speaker 1: This is not quite as blurry, and you can see

547
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:47,440
Speaker 1: the car pass in multiple directions from that static camera

548
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 1: that was on an adjacent house. My wife and I were,

549
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 1: you know, kind of watching it the other other day,

550
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:57,760
Speaker 1: just the video because I haven't seen the entire episode

551
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:03,800
Speaker 1: of the dateline thing, and you know, we were saying, well,

552
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 1: if they have this camera, this videography, and here's where

553
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:10,920
Speaker 1: I kind of will leave this. If they have this

554
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:14,760
Speaker 1: videography and we've never seen it before, a big question

555
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 1: is what else do the police have that we haven't

556
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 1: seen yet. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and this is Bodybacks