WEBVTT - Ep. 26: Where the Primeval West Abides

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<v Speaker 1>A trip through the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, the crown

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<v Speaker 1>jewel of America's wildlife preserves, reveals a stunning, prime evil

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<v Speaker 1>world under constant threat of becoming a national sacrifice. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>Dan Flores, and this is the American West, where the

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<v Speaker 1>prime evil West abides. What wakes me is a sound

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<v Speaker 1>I've never heard, or to be truer to the actual experience.

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<v Speaker 1>Two sounds to which my memory banks cannot assign. Cause

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<v Speaker 1>one is a soft, gentle sort of chuffing, coming awake

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<v Speaker 1>to the slanting light out the tent door. I register

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<v Speaker 1>this one first, an auditory accompaniment to the angled light,

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<v Speaker 1>which lands in my foggy consciousness as a kind of

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<v Speaker 1>language I cannot translate. The other sound is almost as delicate,

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<v Speaker 1>but more percussive. It appears to reach from the faraway

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<v Speaker 1>to the nearby, a tinkling with a thousand source points.

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<v Speaker 1>It's June the twenty second, the day after summer Solstice,

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<v Speaker 1>twenty nineteen, and with my wife Sarah, and eight of

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<v Speaker 1>our friends, we're waking in what could well be primeval America.

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<v Speaker 1>We're in Alaska, above the Arctic Circle, at nearly seventy

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<v Speaker 1>degrees in north latitude, and on summer solstice that far

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<v Speaker 1>up the curve of planet Earth, we're experiencing a new

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<v Speaker 1>cosmic reality. There's a powerful sense of being slightly off

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<v Speaker 1>the apex of a gigantic sphere, a sphere that's spinning

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<v Speaker 1>underneath a light source that never switches off. No matter

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<v Speaker 1>how late you go to bed or how early you

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<v Speaker 1>wake up, the light source is there, throwing the same

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<v Speaker 1>fingers of dawn, sunlight and shadowing throughout the day and night.

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<v Speaker 2>To be geographically specific.

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<v Speaker 1>From our put in high up in the Brooks Range,

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<v Speaker 1>we've now spent nine days descending.

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<v Speaker 2>The Hula Hula River.

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<v Speaker 1>The Hula Hula is named by or four and Awaiian

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<v Speaker 1>islander who is either on a whaling ship or a

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<v Speaker 1>ship pursuing wealth and firs here two centuries ago. Nine

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<v Speaker 1>days from this smallish stream's headwaters, we're now out of

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<v Speaker 1>the mountains and in the vast coastal plain of America's

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<v Speaker 1>Wildlife Crown Jewel, the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. And we've

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<v Speaker 1>been living with these oblique life light angles the whole trip.

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<v Speaker 1>But this far away, nearby tinkling sound and its chuff

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<v Speaker 1>chuff accompaniment are new Both those sounds, it turns out,

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<v Speaker 1>are emanating from thousands upon thousands of Cariboo who have

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<v Speaker 1>been migrating out of mountains filled with dinning wolves to

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<v Speaker 1>gather in the relative safety of the Arctic plane, where

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<v Speaker 1>they're coming to drop their calves. Heard after herd is

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<v Speaker 1>passing by within one hundred feet of our camp this morning,

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<v Speaker 1>conversing in a murmur that audibly rises above the flow

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<v Speaker 1>of the nearby Hula Hula. That's the chuffing I'm hearing,

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<v Speaker 1>its quiet Cariboo road trip conversation, pulling the tent fabric

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<v Speaker 1>aside to hear better. My first guess is that the

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<v Speaker 1>tinkling is the clicking of Cariboo hoofs passing through the

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<v Speaker 1>stiff eight inch high willows blanketing the riverside tundra. But

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<v Speaker 1>the more acutely I listen, well, what it actually sounds

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<v Speaker 1>like is an almost deliberate popping in their leg joints

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<v Speaker 1>as they walk past.

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<v Speaker 2>The truth is we've.

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<v Speaker 1>Been paddling down river among Caribou herds for days now,

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<v Speaker 1>but not in these numbers.

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<v Speaker 2>Now.

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<v Speaker 1>Everywhere we look, they're the only upright things in an

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<v Speaker 1>otherwise horizontal world. Tan and white bodies rocking along in

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<v Speaker 1>a kind of slow motion parade. They seem aim towards

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<v Speaker 1>an indistinct assortment of white blocks miles out that we've

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<v Speaker 1>been seeing for the past couple of days. And I'm

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<v Speaker 1>now starting to suspect our icebergs in the Arctic ocean,

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<v Speaker 1>elevated by mirage above the flatness of the plane. But

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<v Speaker 1>the caribou pulled me away from that thought. On the

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<v Speaker 1>opposite river bank, only yards away, herd males with antlers

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<v Speaker 1>and faces black at squid ink.

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<v Speaker 2>Clack over the rocks.

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<v Speaker 1>There are pregnant cows, also with antlers and posses of adolescence.

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<v Speaker 1>We've already seen wolves, most of them black, along with

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<v Speaker 1>grizzly bears and doll sheep. But the real wildlife miracle

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<v Speaker 1>here is in the vast numbers of cariboo. I noticed

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<v Speaker 1>that some herds with brand new calves, the little guys

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<v Speaker 1>jetting and poegoing across the tundra, have finally abandoned their

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<v Speaker 1>relentless march northward from the mountains. They've arrived ten days

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<v Speaker 1>earlier in Arctic Village on the other side of the

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<v Speaker 1>Brooks Range, gwitchin tribal Elder Sarah James had told us

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<v Speaker 1>that the Porcupine Cariboo herd is three hundred thousand strong

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<v Speaker 1>these days. Seventy five year old Sarah, with her long,

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<v Speaker 1>silver streaked hair, was funny and eloquent and committed. She

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<v Speaker 1>travels the world fighting to keep oil drilling out of

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<v Speaker 1>the refuge, a looming threat in twenty nineteen and an

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<v Speaker 1>even more frightening possibility in twenty twenty six. Sarah's got

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<v Speaker 1>the bona fides for that kind of activism. That tribal

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<v Speaker 1>name means people of the Cariboo. Sarah and her people

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<v Speaker 1>are the modern American equivalent of the Bison Indians of

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<v Speaker 1>the nineteenth century and earlier. The Cariboo are in our

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<v Speaker 1>hearts and we are in theirs, she told us. Now

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<v Speaker 1>standing by my tent, surrounded by thousands of Cariboo moving

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<v Speaker 1>slowly through a vast grassy landscape, in a scene reminiscent

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<v Speaker 1>of the nineteenth century Great Plains or maybe East Africa,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm as gobsmack as I've ever been in my life.

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<v Speaker 1>For the first time, I'm experiencing a version of original America.

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<v Speaker 1>The continent Humaniyed first marveled over more than twenty thousand

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<v Speaker 1>years ago. This must be what it was like to

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<v Speaker 1>experience bison herds to the horizon, her passenger pigeons streaming overhead,

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<v Speaker 1>and day long flights that blocked out the sun. Now

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<v Speaker 1>a quarter of the way through the twenty first century,

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<v Speaker 1>what's required for a primal experience of the natural planet

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<v Speaker 1>is being in one of Africa's grand game parks, and

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<v Speaker 1>parts of the Amazon are in some wildly remote piece

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<v Speaker 1>of North America, like this Arctic plane up at the

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<v Speaker 1>roof of the world in the United States of our

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<v Speaker 1>present century. This wild coastal plane in sight of Arctic

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<v Speaker 1>waters is one of the last continental places to preserve

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<v Speaker 1>a tantalizing echo of wild America as it waded across

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<v Speaker 1>the millennia for its destiny to play out. Here are

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<v Speaker 1>my first ten experiences of this place, as kept in

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<v Speaker 1>my daily Journal. June fifteenth, twenty nineteen, Arctic Village, Alaska.

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<v Speaker 1>Sarah James, who travels the world advocating for the Arctic

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<v Speaker 1>Wildlife Refuge and the Native of Life, rides up on

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<v Speaker 1>her Honda four wheeler to meet us on the airport

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<v Speaker 1>tarmac where our group is just deplaned. There are ten

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<v Speaker 1>of us lower forty eight ers. Our two guides who

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<v Speaker 1>do this float trip repeatedly when brooks range snowmelt raises

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<v Speaker 1>waters in the river's high enough to do it, are

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<v Speaker 1>from Arizona and Colorado, with one exception. The remaining eight

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<v Speaker 1>of us are from Santa Fe, New Mexico, most of

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<v Speaker 1>us longtime friends, several of us writers. Sarah, who is

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<v Speaker 1>addressing us from the seat of her Honda, looks to

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<v Speaker 1>be fifteen years younger than her actual age, and she

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<v Speaker 1>is naturally easy going and personable. As she starts to talk,

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<v Speaker 1>I noticed with some curiosity that of her fellow villagers.

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<v Speaker 1>I can see everyone is also moving about the airstrip

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<v Speaker 1>and the village streets on four wheelers. As we blink

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<v Speaker 1>in the bright high latitude sunlight and swat at the

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<v Speaker 1>occasional mosquito. Sarah is telling us about her people's situation.

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<v Speaker 1>I jot down a few notes. Minus seventy degrees fahrenheit

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<v Speaker 1>used to be our normal winters here, she's telling us,

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<v Speaker 1>but this last winter minus forty was the coldest.

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<v Speaker 2>It got, although the snow was really deep.

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<v Speaker 1>Their village, whose name in their language translates to village

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<v Speaker 1>with high banks, was founded on this spot because of

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<v Speaker 1>the nearby tree line and the Caribou migrations.

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<v Speaker 2>She says.

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<v Speaker 1>They follow the caribou migrations from towers they've built around

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<v Speaker 1>their country, which stretches from the highest place in the

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<v Speaker 1>Brooks Range to as far as we can see. She adds,

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<v Speaker 1>the caribou migrations are changing, but they still come to

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<v Speaker 1>this valley and to old crow flats, places with lots

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<v Speaker 1>of lakes and food sources. We call our herd the

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<v Speaker 1>Porcupine Cariboo, and we've always hunted them. We cease to

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<v Speaker 1>hunt in June when the new embryos form in them,

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<v Speaker 1>and wait until the training of the calves is finished

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<v Speaker 1>before we resume, she tells us. At one point the

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<v Speaker 1>Porcupine herd dropped to as low as one hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>twenty thousand, but now it's almost back to its normal

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<v Speaker 1>size of three hundred thousand. There are plenty of predators

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<v Speaker 1>other than us, she says, a great many wolves, and

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<v Speaker 1>also plenty of grizzlies, and there are lynks and wolverines too,

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<v Speaker 1>everything living to some extent on the Cariboo presence. While

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<v Speaker 1>Native people have hunted the refuge long before its official designation,

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<v Speaker 1>the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge are Anwar dates to nineteen sixty,

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<v Speaker 1>when the Eisenhower administration set aside eight point nine million

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<v Speaker 1>acres of the Brooks Range and the Coastal Plain as

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<v Speaker 1>the Arctic National Wildlife Range. When the epic Alaska Lands

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<v Speaker 1>Bill passed in nineteen eighty, the Carter administration upgraded the

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<v Speaker 1>range to a full refuge, expanded to a whopping nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>point six million acres, four times the size of Yellowstone

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<v Speaker 1>National Park. It overnight became the crown jeweled wildlife preserve

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<v Speaker 1>of the entire seventy five year old system, a true

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<v Speaker 1>Yellowstone of America's wildlife refuges. Ecologist Olos Murray and his

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<v Speaker 1>wife Marty were famous early advocates for anwar's creation and

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<v Speaker 1>for wilderness designation of nearly forty percent of it, But

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<v Speaker 1>the Alaska Lands Bill left the one and a half

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<v Speaker 1>million acre coastal Plane, the so called ten oh two,

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<v Speaker 1>open to potential oil and gas exploration. That opening, and

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<v Speaker 1>the threat its posed to wildlife, to the caribou, and

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<v Speaker 1>to the Gwitchin way of life, is what motivated Sarah's activism.

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<v Speaker 1>I think of my elf as an educator protecting my

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<v Speaker 1>way of life, not as an activist, she insists, to us, recycle, reuse,

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<v Speaker 1>and refuse is my motto. I first went to the

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<v Speaker 1>Plains Indian people because of their history with Buffalo, to

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<v Speaker 1>get resolutions to support us in stopping oil and gas

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<v Speaker 1>in anwar.

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<v Speaker 2>She tells us.

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<v Speaker 1>The National Congress of American Indians has supported the protection

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<v Speaker 1>of anwar with a standing resolution, but other Native people

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<v Speaker 1>surrounding the refuge, the coy yukon the Crees and the

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<v Speaker 1>people of Cactovic Village in the Beaufort Sea have supported

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<v Speaker 1>drilling and development. Coastal Plain people are in tougher conditions,

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<v Speaker 1>she says. Still, we all breathe the same air. We

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<v Speaker 1>need to help one another. The Republican Congress and Trump

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<v Speaker 1>administration is really hard, but if we keep working on

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<v Speaker 1>our goal for seven generations, we'll finally win and educate

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<v Speaker 1>the world in a good way and they'll get it.

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<v Speaker 1>June sixteenth, twenty nineteen, It's a stunning morning at our

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<v Speaker 1>first camp on the Hulahula. We arrived here by Bush

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<v Speaker 1>Plain around noon yesterday after what well may be the

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<v Speaker 1>grandest Plain ride of my life from Arctic Village north

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<v Speaker 1>through the Serrated peaks and defiles of the Brooks Range,

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<v Speaker 1>flying through valleys with knife edged peaks looming far above

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<v Speaker 1>us on a perfect blue sky day. No wonder olass

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<v Speaker 1>and Marty Murray, Sigurd Olson and William O. Douglas were

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<v Speaker 1>so bewitched by this country. As for me, it's entirely

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<v Speaker 1>revising my conception of wild America. The view of our river,

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<v Speaker 1>the hula hula from the air, a silver thread dissecting

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<v Speaker 1>an immense mountain valley carpeted in tundra, was as alluring

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<v Speaker 1>a scene as I've ever witness Yes, looking down on it,

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<v Speaker 1>the thought repeatedly formed in my mind, Holy shit, we

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<v Speaker 1>get to travel down that through this.

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<v Speaker 2>A cold wind.

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<v Speaker 1>Blowing from the north off Arctic Sea ice last night

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<v Speaker 1>belied the bright, welcoming sunshine of our arrival in the afternoon,

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<v Speaker 1>But today is both sunny and quiet. Basically, it's a

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<v Speaker 1>perfect day for a river trip into the wild unknown.

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<v Speaker 1>This is our first day of travel on the river,

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<v Speaker 1>so we got the bear talk from our guides last night,

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<v Speaker 1>with accounts of blonde grizzlies that know nothing of humans,

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<v Speaker 1>and especially of polar bears that see you and come

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<v Speaker 1>knocking on the door. Polar bears mean business, and these

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<v Speaker 1>days they come inland. We're just a couple of days

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<v Speaker 1>away from where other anwar travelers have had exciting experiences

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<v Speaker 1>with polar bears. From this put in camp, near the

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<v Speaker 1>Bush Plain landing Strip, which is little more than a

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<v Speaker 1>level couple of one hundred yards of river cobbles clear

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<v Speaker 1>of willows, we've so far seen a red fox trotting

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<v Speaker 1>along the opposite cutbank from us, and eight nine doll

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<v Speaker 1>sheep on the green tundra slopes of the surrounding mountains

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<v Speaker 1>from our guides Arizona and christa saddler with whom I've

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<v Speaker 1>rafted the Colorado River through the Grand Canyon, and Kevin

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<v Speaker 1>Thursty McDermott, a burly and likable fifty something West Slope Colorado.

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<v Speaker 1>We're hearing accounts of Caribou herds, herds in the thousands,

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<v Speaker 1>the many thousands downriver. Later, on June sixteenth, in Evening Camp,

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<v Speaker 1>the river float commenced today not just with doll sheep,

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<v Speaker 1>but also a wolfback on the slopes above camp. As

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<v Speaker 1>we were preparing to set off, the sheep had been

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<v Speaker 1>in bunches of ten to fifteen. One of the flocks

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<v Speaker 1>was above us as we launched our rafts. Another was

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<v Speaker 1>near us at noon. A group of backpackers who were

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<v Speaker 1>also dropped off yesterday and camp nearby, though, came to

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<v Speaker 1>our tents before we shoved off this morning with a

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<v Speaker 1>one word announcement wolf.

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<v Speaker 2>It pulled up everyone in camp.

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<v Speaker 1>I got about ten seconds of glass time of a

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<v Speaker 1>black wolf maybe half a mile away through my binoculars,

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<v Speaker 1>then nothing, but following a lapse of twenty minutes, again

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<v Speaker 1>came the cry wolf, and this time we picked up four.

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<v Speaker 1>This pack included a black wolf that traveled second in

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<v Speaker 1>line behind a lead brown animal. A silver gray wolf,

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<v Speaker 1>hard to pick out against the gray talus slopes, moved

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<v Speaker 1>in and out of the line, occupying various positions, but

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes going its own way. Another brown wolf trotted at

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<v Speaker 1>the rear, usually some distance behind. The group, appeared to

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<v Speaker 1>be moving stalking, would not accurately express their actions, closer

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<v Speaker 1>and closer to a grazing flock of white doll sheep,

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<v Speaker 1>always one hundred yards or so below them, prompting the

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<v Speaker 1>sheep to move up mountain, always maintaining the same distance.

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<v Speaker 2>From the wolves.

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<v Speaker 1>This pack howled several times a faint peeling of canine expressiveness.

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<v Speaker 1>While it was not my situation, having lived in Montana

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<v Speaker 1>during and after wolf recovery there, several of our group

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<v Speaker 1>had never in their lives seen wolves nor heard real

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<v Speaker 1>wolves howl in the wild. Sadly, that's the case for

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<v Speaker 1>most modern Americans on a continent where wolves were once

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<v Speaker 1>the commonest of Keystone predators present here for more than

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<v Speaker 1>five million years. That's how anomalous the last one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>years of wolf absence has been. This is a paddle

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<v Speaker 1>trip down the Hula Hula. We're traveling the country in

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<v Speaker 1>two rafts, a guide manning the rudders of each, with

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<v Speaker 1>four of us providing the paddle power for each raft.

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<v Speaker 1>The river's shallow, rarely deeper than three feet, and fast

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<v Speaker 1>with snowmelt, with numerous braided channels. Looking down at the

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<v Speaker 1>cobbles in its bed as we slip through its waters,

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<v Speaker 1>the sight is of a shimmering transparency. But seen from

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<v Speaker 1>the banks, the Hula Hulas waters take on a mesmerizing

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<v Speaker 1>green turquoise hue from water's edge to the crests of

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<v Speaker 1>the Brooks Range peaks surrounding us. We're above timberline. The

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<v Speaker 1>country that rolls up the slopes is pure tundra. This evening,

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<v Speaker 1>we're in a fine camp among low willows along the

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<v Speaker 1>west bank. Cariboo tracks in the mud are in some

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<v Speaker 1>profusion only feet from Sarah's in my tent. But we've

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<v Speaker 1>not actually seen a Cariboo, at least not yet. I

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<v Speaker 1>should add that evening is pretty much an artificial construction.

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<v Speaker 1>Here above the Arctic Circle a week from summer solstice.

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<v Speaker 1>The sun circumnavigates our sky at a kind of inclined angle,

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<v Speaker 1>highest at noon when the sun is due south, lowest

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<v Speaker 1>at midnight when it's due north.

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<v Speaker 2>But it never sets.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is a trip that's actually taking place over

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<v Speaker 1>a nearly three hundred hour long single day. At least

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<v Speaker 1>we can tell whether it's morning or afternoon by which

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<v Speaker 1>side of this mountain valley the sun is. In mornings,

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<v Speaker 1>it skims the peaks on the east side of the valley. Afternoons,

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<v Speaker 1>it dodges in and out of the mountains that confine

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<v Speaker 1>the Hula Hula to our west. June seventeenth, twenty nineteen,

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<v Speaker 1>we're about to leave this Cariboo camp, which we've named

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<v Speaker 1>such because as we slept, Cariboo herds began to migrate

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<v Speaker 1>past us. It didn't take long to get among the Cariboo,

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<v Speaker 1>and just now a single black wolf is on the

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<v Speaker 1>slope above the path the herds have been taken. There

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<v Speaker 1>was considerable rain in the night, and this morning clouds

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<v Speaker 1>top all the mountains around us. The days so far

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<v Speaker 1>I've been in the seventies, but without the sun it's

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<v Speaker 1>cold enough to put on our healey hansome wetsuits today

0:20:11.640 --> 0:20:15.320
<v Speaker 1>over four or five layers of smart wool, and our

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<v Speaker 1>everyday footwear mid calf rubber boots. Thirsty tells us this

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<v Speaker 1>morning that the wolves den in these mountains, which is

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<v Speaker 1>why the Caribou migrate out to the coastal plain to

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<v Speaker 1>drop their calves. Wolf dens are commonly on high overlooks,

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<v Speaker 1>so the wolves can spot cariboo below. He says he's

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<v Speaker 1>seen a pack stampede of herd over a cutbank in

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<v Speaker 1>a move very similar to a bison jump. He also

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<v Speaker 1>told us that in summer, musk ox descend to the

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<v Speaker 1>edges of the rivers to sleep and cool off in

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<v Speaker 1>the shade of the big chunks of permafrost. We see

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<v Speaker 1>everywhere slewing off the cutbanks in the summer warmth. Today

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<v Speaker 1>is a cold, gray day with a north wind blowing

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<v Speaker 1>steadily up the river and in our faces. This feels

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<v Speaker 1>like Alaska in the Brooks Range up near the Continental Divide.

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<v Speaker 1>Nothing for it but to paddle and look forward to

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<v Speaker 1>camp and warm sleeping bags. June eighteenth, It's after seven

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<v Speaker 1>pm of an absolutely gorgeous day in the foothills of

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<v Speaker 1>the Brooks Range, and we're just down from seven hours

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<v Speaker 1>of hiking up to a ridgeline high above the green

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<v Speaker 1>Valley of the Hula Hula. Since we've been making good time,

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<v Speaker 1>this was a layover day and we got to watch

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<v Speaker 1>caribou herds heading north through the valley during much of

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<v Speaker 1>the morning. We made this camp late yesterday after many

0:21:48.320 --> 0:21:51.760
<v Speaker 1>miles descending the river, and are now in sight of

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<v Speaker 1>the final canyon and the only cataract rapids on the Hulahula,

0:21:56.560 --> 0:22:00.600
<v Speaker 1>which we'll run tomorrow. A successful run through those rapids

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<v Speaker 1>will take us out of the mountains and onto the

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<v Speaker 1>coastal plain. Yesterday was a big descent of many hours

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<v Speaker 1>of paddling under overcast skies and a cold wind erin

0:22:13.440 --> 0:22:17.320
<v Speaker 1>our only California, and at twenty five, the youngest member

0:22:17.359 --> 0:22:20.359
<v Speaker 1>of our party got tossed from our raft in a

0:22:20.400 --> 0:22:24.280
<v Speaker 1>boulder garden rapid late in the day. It required nearly

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<v Speaker 1>two hours after that mishap to find a suitable camp

0:22:27.760 --> 0:22:31.280
<v Speaker 1>for the evening, but Erin was an absolute trooper about

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<v Speaker 1>staying wet for so long.

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<v Speaker 2>Yesterday was also.

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<v Speaker 1>A two wolf day, both wolves black and solitary.

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<v Speaker 2>The second a strapping big.

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<v Speaker 1>Animal that ran effortlessly across the hummocky tundra before spotting

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<v Speaker 1>us and squaring up three to four times to look

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<v Speaker 1>directly at us from only a couple of one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>yards away. We've not seen a bear yet, but watching

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<v Speaker 1>caribou herds crossed his open country produces an emotion that's

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<v Speaker 1>difficult to put into words. Timeless keeps coming to mind,

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<v Speaker 1>but you shudder a little bit at that one. As

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<v Speaker 1>gray and cold as yesterday was, today has been a sunny, blank,

0:23:14.720 --> 0:23:15.920
<v Speaker 1>blue sky delight.

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<v Speaker 2>The clouds still wrapped.

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<v Speaker 1>The peaks as we rose and had coffee, but by

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<v Speaker 1>the time breakfast was done, the mist had lifted and

0:23:24.359 --> 0:23:31.000
<v Speaker 1>Arctic sunlight flooded the mountains. June twentieth, It's ten in

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<v Speaker 1>the evening in the Arctic wilderness, and Sarah and I

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<v Speaker 1>are celebrating our fifth anniversary with tequila and uncontrolled substances,

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<v Speaker 1>and now Earl Gray tea too hot to drink.

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<v Speaker 2>Almost the past.

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<v Speaker 1>Two days have unspooled in a country of such unblemish

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<v Speaker 1>natural qualities that I'm realizing I've lived a kind of

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<v Speaker 1>emasculated existence for much.

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<v Speaker 2>Of my life.

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<v Speaker 1>Primeval America is what this is. We've so far seen

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<v Speaker 1>one native hunting camp, three or four bush planes arking overhead,

0:24:08.600 --> 0:24:14.760
<v Speaker 1>and the occasional jet flying from JFK to Tokyo. Otherwise,

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<v Speaker 1>we're traveling through the world of our hominin origins, or

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<v Speaker 1>at least one hell of an approximation of it. Today's

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<v Speaker 1>our third straight day of gorgeous sunshine, which means we

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<v Speaker 1>ran the canyon and its rapids in.

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<v Speaker 2>Beautiful, bright light. Yesterday, the rapids.

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<v Speaker 1>Including the Hula Hoop rapid, we slipped through in good

0:24:37.720 --> 0:24:41.480
<v Speaker 1>morning high water. Other than sticking our raft on a boulder,

0:24:41.720 --> 0:24:44.600
<v Speaker 1>we had no incidents and took a long lunch on

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<v Speaker 1>a sunny, flowery hilltop where the Brooks Range opened suddenly

0:24:49.040 --> 0:24:51.800
<v Speaker 1>into low green foothills speckled with.

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<v Speaker 2>Caribou antler sheds. That setting.

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<v Speaker 1>Once we were underway after lunch was the scene of

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<v Speaker 1>our most exciting wildlife experience yet. I was in the

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<v Speaker 1>front of our lead raft so got the first glimpse

0:25:05.040 --> 0:25:08.600
<v Speaker 1>of a bulky, furred form rolling along up the right

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<v Speaker 1>bank of the river. It was a familiar hump shape

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<v Speaker 1>a grizzly, which, with a couple of bounds, was out

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<v Speaker 1>of sight. As we paddled a riverband towards where he

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<v Speaker 1>had disappeared. The sound of our voices must have bounced

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<v Speaker 1>off the low cutbank.

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<v Speaker 2>Where the bear had headed.

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<v Speaker 1>The result was that our raft was in the direct

0:25:30.080 --> 0:25:33.439
<v Speaker 1>line of fire. When the grizzly came galloping through the

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<v Speaker 1>willows to water's edge, straight for us. It looked for

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<v Speaker 1>all the world like a charge, except I could tell

0:25:41.480 --> 0:25:45.600
<v Speaker 1>the bear had not really seen us. Just as bear

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<v Speaker 1>paus hit the river's edge, Thirsty muttered something about not

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<v Speaker 1>wanting to share a river with a bear and loosed

0:25:52.800 --> 0:25:57.040
<v Speaker 1>a piercing whistle. The small black eyes in the grizzly's

0:25:57.160 --> 0:26:02.479
<v Speaker 1>lovely symmetrical face suddenly lost us. There was a split

0:26:02.600 --> 0:26:06.680
<v Speaker 1>second what the fuck on his face? Then a studied,

0:26:07.000 --> 0:26:11.879
<v Speaker 1>almost slow turned to his right like a nonchalant damn it,

0:26:12.160 --> 0:26:14.600
<v Speaker 1>I think I may have left the burner on back home.

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<v Speaker 2>Then, like a corner horse.

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<v Speaker 1>Under quirt, he was boundering through the willows at escape velocity,

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<v Speaker 1>directly away from us. It was a supreme sensory moment.

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<v Speaker 1>We had been privileged to see a gorgeous grizzly bear

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<v Speaker 1>at a distance of maybe thirty five feet. We camped

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<v Speaker 1>yesterday and still are today, at a spot below k

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<v Speaker 1>Gat Hill, which we climbed today through increasingly larger caribou herds,

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<v Speaker 1>all steadily pulled northward, as if by some throbbing magnet.

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<v Speaker 1>From here you could see the next river valley to

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<v Speaker 1>the west, the valley of the Saddle Roach at mountains,

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<v Speaker 1>and behind us the Hula Hulas at it through its

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<v Speaker 1>canyon out of the Brooks Range. This afternoon, another grizzly

0:27:06.240 --> 0:27:11.119
<v Speaker 1>graves past our camp, barely one hundred yards away. Wolf

0:27:11.160 --> 0:27:13.720
<v Speaker 1>tracks are on the beach behind me. As I scribble

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<v Speaker 1>this June twenty, first summer solstice in the High Arctic,

0:27:21.280 --> 0:27:24.600
<v Speaker 1>we're now in sight of the Arctic Ocean from a

0:27:24.680 --> 0:27:27.920
<v Speaker 1>camp where the Hula Hulas banks have begun to ice up,

0:27:28.480 --> 0:27:32.880
<v Speaker 1>far out on the coastal plain of anwar far into

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<v Speaker 1>the famous ten to two the part of the refuge

0:27:36.640 --> 0:27:41.040
<v Speaker 1>that's long been a target of drill baby drill politicians

0:27:41.840 --> 0:27:44.560
<v Speaker 1>and to be fair of some of the local natives

0:27:44.720 --> 0:27:49.840
<v Speaker 1>and Alaskans who see money as an ultimate value. Looking

0:27:49.880 --> 0:27:53.679
<v Speaker 1>across this vast tundra, a plane that's bursting with the

0:27:53.760 --> 0:27:57.840
<v Speaker 1>life of primeval America. The middle picture of drill baby

0:27:57.920 --> 0:28:01.240
<v Speaker 1>drill Here is a kin to a man the Lamar

0:28:01.440 --> 0:28:06.359
<v Speaker 1>Valley of Yellowstone Park, festooned with oil derricks, tank batteries,

0:28:06.600 --> 0:28:10.680
<v Speaker 1>pumping units, and litter line two tracks. Try to hold

0:28:10.760 --> 0:28:13.880
<v Speaker 1>that image in your mind. See if it doesn't fly

0:28:14.119 --> 0:28:20.199
<v Speaker 1>to escape screaming. We made big miles last foothills to

0:28:20.320 --> 0:28:24.520
<v Speaker 1>pass the ice. Today we're way ahead of schedule thanks

0:28:24.600 --> 0:28:28.120
<v Speaker 1>to great weather that's warm enough to keep snowmelt surging

0:28:28.160 --> 0:28:31.760
<v Speaker 1>in the river and glory b Despite temperatures in the

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<v Speaker 1>sixties and seventies, the Mosquito Hatch has not yet developed.

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<v Speaker 1>Two big moments today. The first was pulling over for

0:28:40.600 --> 0:28:44.560
<v Speaker 1>lunch and mounting the cutbank to find the biggest single

0:28:44.680 --> 0:28:48.720
<v Speaker 1>caribou herd yet on the opposite bank, something around six

0:28:48.840 --> 0:28:52.600
<v Speaker 1>hundred of them. We are also in Muskoks and Polar

0:28:52.640 --> 0:28:56.880
<v Speaker 1>Bear country now, although we've seen neither. There's something very

0:28:57.000 --> 0:29:02.040
<v Speaker 1>powerful though about watching big herds of ungulates in open country.

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<v Speaker 1>If our genes preserve memories, this has to be a

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<v Speaker 1>visual trigger to that this is the kind of world

0:29:10.200 --> 0:29:13.640
<v Speaker 1>we human beings evolved in and where we blinked into

0:29:13.680 --> 0:29:18.360
<v Speaker 1>consciousness then live surrounded by big animals and big herds

0:29:18.360 --> 0:29:23.120
<v Speaker 1>for forty thousand generations of our existence. No wonder it's

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<v Speaker 1>so moving on such a grandly sensuous level. The other

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<v Speaker 1>wild piece of the day was rafting through the ice

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<v Speaker 1>a section of the river where ice as thick as

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<v Speaker 1>ten feet makes up at least one bank for a

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<v Speaker 1>mile or more. We stopped and goofed around on blue,

0:29:44.080 --> 0:29:47.960
<v Speaker 1>dripping ice packs for half an hour in sunny, t

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<v Speaker 1>shirt temperatures. June twenty second, only three days of river

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<v Speaker 1>and ocean traveler left to take us to the island

0:29:57.720 --> 0:30:00.880
<v Speaker 1>airstrip that will be our takeout, and much of that

0:30:00.960 --> 0:30:04.719
<v Speaker 1>will involve portaging to an adjacent river to get a

0:30:04.800 --> 0:30:08.640
<v Speaker 1>straight shot at the island that will then wade to

0:30:09.200 --> 0:30:12.840
<v Speaker 1>a mile or so out across the Beaufort Sea. Weather

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<v Speaker 1>continues near perfect sixty one degrees on the high tundra

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<v Speaker 1>just now several of us stayed up till midnight last

0:30:21.080 --> 0:30:24.600
<v Speaker 1>night to watch the sun circle the horizon and to

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<v Speaker 1>dance its progress on summer solstice. Caribou herds are now

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<v Speaker 1>in sight constantly, with a vast herd migrating past camp

0:30:34.760 --> 0:30:39.760
<v Speaker 1>this morning, an entirely Africa kind of scene. The Brooks Range,

0:30:39.800 --> 0:30:43.360
<v Speaker 1>where we started this journey, is still in view, although.

0:30:43.080 --> 0:30:45.760
<v Speaker 2>A little smoke shrouded. For the past three days.

0:30:46.480 --> 0:30:52.400
<v Speaker 1>We've now been eight days without seeing any humans except ourselves.

0:30:54.080 --> 0:30:58.520
<v Speaker 1>June twenty third, within sight of the ocean. This morning,

0:30:58.560 --> 0:31:02.600
<v Speaker 1>we finally made it to the Cariboo's final destination, their

0:31:02.680 --> 0:31:07.040
<v Speaker 1>calving grounds, and now there are little ones scampering wildly

0:31:07.120 --> 0:31:12.160
<v Speaker 1>and joyously across the tundra and nearby snowbanks. Cariboo herds

0:31:12.280 --> 0:31:16.880
<v Speaker 1>presently occupy in ninety degrees of our views south of

0:31:16.920 --> 0:31:17.320
<v Speaker 1>the river.

0:31:18.760 --> 0:31:19.880
<v Speaker 2>June twenty fourth.

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<v Speaker 1>This afternoon, we're in a camp amongst sand dunes a

0:31:24.360 --> 0:31:28.200
<v Speaker 1>mile from the ocean, having left the Hula Hula after

0:31:28.240 --> 0:31:32.160
<v Speaker 1>portaging our rafts and gear across about a quarter mile

0:31:32.240 --> 0:31:35.400
<v Speaker 1>of tundra to this camp. It was a day of

0:31:35.560 --> 0:31:40.560
<v Speaker 1>paddling a last stretch of a widely braided cobble filled

0:31:40.600 --> 0:31:45.640
<v Speaker 1>Hulahula with cariboo perpetually in sight. On a midnight hike

0:31:45.800 --> 0:31:49.640
<v Speaker 1>last night, some of us saw what we estimated was

0:31:49.800 --> 0:31:54.920
<v Speaker 1>ten thousand cariboo from one overlook. Now we'll do two

0:31:55.040 --> 0:31:58.600
<v Speaker 1>nights here while we portage all our gear and rafts

0:31:58.920 --> 0:32:02.320
<v Speaker 1>over to the Oak Pillock River just east of us

0:32:02.360 --> 0:32:05.520
<v Speaker 1>for a straight shot at the island and its bush

0:32:05.600 --> 0:32:10.320
<v Speaker 1>plane landing strip. We saw our third grizzly yesterday evening.

0:32:10.720 --> 0:32:13.400
<v Speaker 1>A bear that was probably three quarters of a mile

0:32:13.440 --> 0:32:16.800
<v Speaker 1>away but in the open plain was clearly visible to

0:32:16.840 --> 0:32:20.560
<v Speaker 1>the naked eye as a dark lump nosing through the tundra.

0:32:21.240 --> 0:32:25.480
<v Speaker 1>Through our glasses, this bear was a glossy blond behemoth,

0:32:26.040 --> 0:32:29.720
<v Speaker 1>turning sideways in the low sun. Its fur rolled and

0:32:29.880 --> 0:32:34.720
<v Speaker 1>glistened with shades of chestnut and a silvery yellow. It

0:32:34.840 --> 0:32:39.200
<v Speaker 1>was hard to stop watching with a weather front hitting.

0:32:39.520 --> 0:32:42.960
<v Speaker 1>It's now down to forty five degrees inside the tent,

0:32:43.480 --> 0:32:47.280
<v Speaker 1>which is rattling in the wind like laundry on a clothesline.

0:32:49.280 --> 0:32:54.760
<v Speaker 1>June twenty fifth, twenty nineteen. Tonight, our final camp is

0:32:54.840 --> 0:32:59.440
<v Speaker 1>situated on the shore of the Beaufort Sea. Walls and

0:32:59.520 --> 0:33:03.360
<v Speaker 1>chunks of white ice inhabited by harbor seals or in view.

0:33:04.120 --> 0:33:05.680
<v Speaker 1>It's a thing you never.

0:33:05.520 --> 0:33:07.480
<v Speaker 2>Think you'll see.

0:33:07.520 --> 0:33:12.080
<v Speaker 1>The day was another form of adventurous ordeal. We'd been

0:33:12.160 --> 0:33:15.160
<v Speaker 1>captured in the tents for twenty four hours while a

0:33:15.280 --> 0:33:19.040
<v Speaker 1>frieze held up water from flowing down the oak pillock.

0:33:19.800 --> 0:33:23.920
<v Speaker 1>Its final two miles became a wide mud maze that

0:33:24.080 --> 0:33:28.800
<v Speaker 1>required portaging our raft while a barefoot Christa dragged the

0:33:28.880 --> 0:33:32.200
<v Speaker 1>other raft through the mud with a ropeline. It was

0:33:32.280 --> 0:33:35.920
<v Speaker 1>a cold, hard working day. But tomorrow we exit the

0:33:36.000 --> 0:33:39.560
<v Speaker 1>river and wade across to the island, a long strip

0:33:39.600 --> 0:33:42.600
<v Speaker 1>of sand and ice out in front of us. We

0:33:42.640 --> 0:33:46.760
<v Speaker 1>saw no caribou today, but there were long tailed jaggers

0:33:47.120 --> 0:33:53.040
<v Speaker 1>and huge and noisy trumpeter swans constantly overhead. This was

0:33:53.080 --> 0:33:56.560
<v Speaker 1>the final camp of our twelve day passage through the

0:33:56.720 --> 0:34:00.760
<v Speaker 1>Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, and on this our last night,

0:34:00.800 --> 0:34:06.440
<v Speaker 1>our guide, Thirsty, stood and made an unexpected, impassioned speech.

0:34:07.480 --> 0:34:12.520
<v Speaker 1>Thirsty's granddad was a hard rock miner in Colorado. He's

0:34:12.640 --> 0:34:17.359
<v Speaker 1>married to Darla, his high school sweetheart. His education ended

0:34:17.400 --> 0:34:21.480
<v Speaker 1>with high school, but simply and directly he begged us

0:34:21.560 --> 0:34:24.759
<v Speaker 1>to do whatever was in our powers to save this

0:34:24.960 --> 0:34:29.759
<v Speaker 1>place from despoilation. Long before we arrived on the scene,

0:34:29.880 --> 0:34:32.600
<v Speaker 1>the ages had been at work on it. He said,

0:34:33.320 --> 0:34:40.000
<v Speaker 1>nothing we could do here would improve it a present

0:34:40.280 --> 0:34:45.960
<v Speaker 1>day coda. In October twenty twenty five, as part of

0:34:46.000 --> 0:34:51.759
<v Speaker 1>his American Energy Dominance agenda, President Trump proclaimed that he

0:34:51.800 --> 0:34:55.840
<v Speaker 1>would reinstate seven oil leases owned by the state of

0:34:55.880 --> 0:35:00.600
<v Speaker 1>Alaska in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge and was now

0:35:00.719 --> 0:35:07.080
<v Speaker 1>taking bids for future drilling contracts in the refugees coastal plane.

0:35:07.320 --> 0:35:11.600
<v Speaker 1>Because of fear of public backlash, oil companies have so

0:35:11.760 --> 0:35:17.200
<v Speaker 1>far been uneasy about bidding on leases in Antwar, but

0:35:17.360 --> 0:35:22.279
<v Speaker 1>Trump's Secretary of Interior, Doug Bergham, has proclaimed that with

0:35:22.560 --> 0:35:30.400
<v Speaker 1>this announcement, Alaska is open for business. Petroleum geologists estimated

0:35:30.840 --> 0:35:36.280
<v Speaker 1>that total reserves beneath an War might satisfy America's thirst

0:35:36.400 --> 0:35:40.440
<v Speaker 1>for oil for perhaps one and a half to two years.

0:35:47.000 --> 0:35:52.120
<v Speaker 3>Sedan in this script, you're tracking this float trip through

0:35:54.120 --> 0:35:59.640
<v Speaker 3>since the North Slope Anwar, And it brought to my

0:35:59.760 --> 0:36:00.840
<v Speaker 3>question that I wanted.

0:36:00.600 --> 0:36:04.680
<v Speaker 2>To ask you sort of about your scholarship.

0:36:04.719 --> 0:36:09.520
<v Speaker 3>More generally. You made your you really made your name

0:36:09.680 --> 0:36:12.960
<v Speaker 3>with the Buffalo Article and the Journal of American History,

0:36:12.960 --> 0:36:15.640
<v Speaker 3>and I was thinking about it, that's probably one of

0:36:15.680 --> 0:36:18.520
<v Speaker 3>the few pieces I've read from you where you don't

0:36:18.600 --> 0:36:24.120
<v Speaker 3>have you don't mix your historical analysis with some story

0:36:24.160 --> 0:36:28.719
<v Speaker 3>from your own life about being on the landscape yourself. Yeah,

0:36:29.080 --> 0:36:33.960
<v Speaker 3>and clearly it's it's that shapes your thinking as a historian.

0:36:34.040 --> 0:36:35.439
<v Speaker 3>So I wonder if you can talk for a little

0:36:35.440 --> 0:36:40.960
<v Speaker 3>bit about the relationship between your research and writing and

0:36:41.080 --> 0:36:46.040
<v Speaker 3>your adventures for lack of a better term, across the West.

0:36:47.920 --> 0:36:49.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Well, I think.

0:36:51.320 --> 0:36:55.600
<v Speaker 1>One of the reasons that I've done a good bit

0:36:55.640 --> 0:37:04.880
<v Speaker 1>of writing where I appear, usually fairly briefly, but at

0:37:05.000 --> 0:37:08.360
<v Speaker 1>least some as a character in some of these stories,

0:37:09.320 --> 0:37:12.239
<v Speaker 1>probably harkens back to the fact that I got my

0:37:12.320 --> 0:37:16.120
<v Speaker 1>start as a magazine writer, and I did that. I

0:37:16.120 --> 0:37:20.239
<v Speaker 1>wrote for magazines for six or seven years before I

0:37:20.280 --> 0:37:25.520
<v Speaker 1>ever got a PhD, and ended up getting professorships and

0:37:26.440 --> 0:37:30.840
<v Speaker 1>began writing for academic journals like the Journal of American

0:37:30.920 --> 0:37:37.000
<v Speaker 1>History or writing books for university presses. And so, I mean,

0:37:37.200 --> 0:37:40.520
<v Speaker 1>one of the things that I think probably has made

0:37:41.160 --> 0:37:46.400
<v Speaker 1>a podcast like this and scripts like this possible is

0:37:46.440 --> 0:37:48.640
<v Speaker 1>the fact that when I retired from the University of

0:37:48.680 --> 0:37:52.279
<v Speaker 1>Montana ten years ago, I kind of reverted back to

0:37:52.560 --> 0:37:56.040
<v Speaker 1>that sort of writing, and the books I've written since

0:37:56.120 --> 0:38:00.080
<v Speaker 1>American Serengeti, Coyotie America, Wild New World, things like that

0:38:00.080 --> 0:38:05.560
<v Speaker 1>that have all been sort of, uh, moving more back

0:38:05.600 --> 0:38:07.759
<v Speaker 1>to the sort of writing that I did before I

0:38:07.760 --> 0:38:10.880
<v Speaker 1>became an academic. I mean, I think with something like

0:38:11.200 --> 0:38:14.520
<v Speaker 1>that Buffalo piece in the Journal of American History, you know,

0:38:14.600 --> 0:38:21.160
<v Speaker 1>I mean, historians don't do that kind of writing very much.

0:38:21.360 --> 0:38:25.480
<v Speaker 1>They tend to do more the social science kind of

0:38:26.000 --> 0:38:30.520
<v Speaker 1>the author stands back as a disinterested observer.

0:38:30.719 --> 0:38:33.600
<v Speaker 3>Yeah you're not a you don't really take a clinical

0:38:33.640 --> 0:38:34.880
<v Speaker 3>approach to your subject.

0:38:35.080 --> 0:38:38.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah, So it's that kind of So.

0:38:39.160 --> 0:38:41.680
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I think probably what I've done is for

0:38:41.760 --> 0:38:44.200
<v Speaker 1>a venue like that and for the sort of audience

0:38:44.239 --> 0:38:46.040
<v Speaker 1>that I knew that the Journal of American History had,

0:38:46.640 --> 0:38:49.680
<v Speaker 1>you know, I wrote a piece that I was not

0:38:49.880 --> 0:38:52.680
<v Speaker 1>involved in at all other than as a sort of

0:38:52.760 --> 0:38:55.840
<v Speaker 1>standback and let the let the evidence show what.

0:38:55.719 --> 0:38:56.520
<v Speaker 2>This story was.

0:38:57.440 --> 0:39:02.160
<v Speaker 1>But I think it's probably for a different kind of audience,

0:39:02.239 --> 0:39:05.120
<v Speaker 1>For a more general audience. It's maybe useful to do

0:39:05.960 --> 0:39:10.799
<v Speaker 1>this kind of writing where the author at least appears

0:39:11.080 --> 0:39:15.440
<v Speaker 1>some because it provides kind of eyes and feet for

0:39:15.600 --> 0:39:18.279
<v Speaker 1>the reader to be able to see the world. I mean,

0:39:18.320 --> 0:39:21.759
<v Speaker 1>I try not to do this too much, but I

0:39:21.880 --> 0:39:24.359
<v Speaker 1>generally try to get at least a story or two

0:39:24.960 --> 0:39:30.279
<v Speaker 1>into any given piece where I'm actually trying to translate

0:39:30.880 --> 0:39:34.600
<v Speaker 1>the points I want to make into being on the

0:39:34.640 --> 0:39:36.800
<v Speaker 1>ground and seeing this play out in the world.

0:39:37.560 --> 0:39:41.680
<v Speaker 3>But it's clear that that sort of deep experiential process

0:39:41.760 --> 0:39:44.960
<v Speaker 3>shapes how you think about these places.

0:39:45.280 --> 0:39:48.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it does, I mean, And so that still goes

0:39:48.320 --> 0:39:52.360
<v Speaker 1>into whether I tell a story of my own presence

0:39:52.400 --> 0:39:56.319
<v Speaker 1>walking through bad lands or are floating down the Hula

0:39:56.400 --> 0:40:00.440
<v Speaker 1>Hula River through the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, whether I

0:40:00.520 --> 0:40:03.840
<v Speaker 1>tell that story through my own eyes or not, there's

0:40:03.880 --> 0:40:06.239
<v Speaker 1>no question. Because I'm sort of one of these people

0:40:06.239 --> 0:40:09.000
<v Speaker 1>who has always like to be out on the ground

0:40:09.040 --> 0:40:12.279
<v Speaker 1>and out in the world, not just in a library.

0:40:13.840 --> 0:40:17.680
<v Speaker 1>Those experiences very definitely have played a role. And what

0:40:17.800 --> 0:40:22.960
<v Speaker 1>I've written, one of the key.

0:40:24.200 --> 0:40:29.080
<v Speaker 3>Threads throughout this piece is sort of this looming threat

0:40:29.280 --> 0:40:33.600
<v Speaker 3>of energy extraction on the North Slope. And I think

0:40:36.120 --> 0:40:40.440
<v Speaker 3>one of the things that you point out several times

0:40:40.640 --> 0:40:45.319
<v Speaker 3>is that it's not simply a story of outside interests

0:40:46.239 --> 0:40:50.800
<v Speaker 3>coming in and extracting oil and gas. But there are people,

0:40:50.920 --> 0:40:54.120
<v Speaker 3>there's disagreement among Native people, and you highlight that a

0:40:54.160 --> 0:40:57.200
<v Speaker 3>couple times that it's not just Native people are the

0:40:57.239 --> 0:41:02.000
<v Speaker 3>guardians of this place, and outside interests are trying to,

0:41:02.360 --> 0:41:05.560
<v Speaker 3>you know, take advantage essentially.

0:41:05.239 --> 0:41:06.239
<v Speaker 2>Of their resources.

0:41:06.640 --> 0:41:10.560
<v Speaker 3>But there's disagreements between different communities over how this landscape

0:41:10.560 --> 0:41:13.680
<v Speaker 3>should be managed, which I think highlights a thread we

0:41:13.840 --> 0:41:17.120
<v Speaker 3>see again and again in Western history that Native people

0:41:17.200 --> 0:41:21.440
<v Speaker 3>aren't some monolithic block And that's true, you know, as

0:41:21.440 --> 0:41:23.799
<v Speaker 3>true as it was two hundred and three hundred years

0:41:23.840 --> 0:41:26.800
<v Speaker 3>ago as it is today when we're talking about anwar.

0:41:27.719 --> 0:41:30.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and that's just the reality of the world we

0:41:31.000 --> 0:41:31.440
<v Speaker 1>live in.

0:41:31.680 --> 0:41:32.920
<v Speaker 2>I mean, some.

0:41:32.800 --> 0:41:40.680
<v Speaker 1>People have a take on how the world should be used,

0:41:41.920 --> 0:41:46.400
<v Speaker 1>where the idea is we need to exploit it and

0:41:47.239 --> 0:41:53.160
<v Speaker 1>help our own communities raise their standard of living, participate

0:41:53.239 --> 0:41:57.920
<v Speaker 1>more in the sort of global economic world. And there

0:41:57.960 --> 0:42:03.880
<v Speaker 1>are plenty of native peopleround and War who expressed that

0:42:03.960 --> 0:42:09.120
<v Speaker 1>particular sentiment. I mean, as I described in the account

0:42:09.160 --> 0:42:12.640
<v Speaker 1>of this, when we arrived at Arctic Village, which was

0:42:13.120 --> 0:42:16.040
<v Speaker 1>the spot where we were taking our bush planes into

0:42:16.400 --> 0:42:18.880
<v Speaker 1>the headwaters of the Hula Hula and the Brooks Range,

0:42:20.000 --> 0:42:23.799
<v Speaker 1>one of the people who we had already decided we

0:42:23.840 --> 0:42:27.359
<v Speaker 1>wanted to hear from was Sarah James, this woman who

0:42:27.480 --> 0:42:31.360
<v Speaker 1>is a spokesperson for the Gwitchen people, the people of

0:42:31.400 --> 0:42:36.480
<v Speaker 1>the Caribou, who have for thousands of years hunted caribou

0:42:36.560 --> 0:42:39.359
<v Speaker 1>and sort of feel about themselves and I think I

0:42:39.400 --> 0:42:43.400
<v Speaker 1>feel about them this way too. They're the modern analogs

0:42:43.400 --> 0:42:47.480
<v Speaker 1>of the Buffalo people of the nineteenth century, and so

0:42:47.520 --> 0:42:50.040
<v Speaker 1>we wanted to hear what she had to say, and

0:42:50.239 --> 0:42:52.439
<v Speaker 1>she met us on the tarmac when we flew into

0:42:52.520 --> 0:42:56.400
<v Speaker 1>Arctic Village and talked to us for about half an

0:42:56.400 --> 0:42:59.640
<v Speaker 1>hour or so about the concerns that she had. But

0:42:59.719 --> 0:43:02.759
<v Speaker 1>she was also quick to point out that this was

0:43:02.800 --> 0:43:06.520
<v Speaker 1>not the universal position on the part of Native people

0:43:07.280 --> 0:43:09.359
<v Speaker 1>in this part of the world, and it's not and

0:43:09.400 --> 0:43:13.720
<v Speaker 1>so that's something I think, as you pointed out, Randall,

0:43:13.760 --> 0:43:17.040
<v Speaker 1>and you're exactly right about this, this is true in

0:43:17.080 --> 0:43:21.560
<v Speaker 1>the past as well, And you can't think of Native

0:43:21.600 --> 0:43:27.480
<v Speaker 1>people as just sort of everyone uniformly has this particular

0:43:27.840 --> 0:43:31.600
<v Speaker 1>kind of idea about about how things should play out.

0:43:32.040 --> 0:43:36.879
<v Speaker 1>So Arctic, the National Arctic, I mean, the an war

0:43:37.360 --> 0:43:41.240
<v Speaker 1>is kind of a perfect modern day example of something

0:43:41.280 --> 0:43:43.320
<v Speaker 1>that's been going on in the West for a long time.

0:43:44.719 --> 0:43:45.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:43:45.680 --> 0:43:50.280
<v Speaker 3>You point out several times that this is sort of primordial.

0:43:50.960 --> 0:43:55.680
<v Speaker 3>It's a primordial landscape, and it feels like sort of

0:43:55.760 --> 0:43:58.960
<v Speaker 3>the most ancient landscape that you've been on in North America.

0:44:00.200 --> 0:44:03.720
<v Speaker 3>And it occurs to me that this is the first

0:44:03.800 --> 0:44:06.120
<v Speaker 3>you know, it's one of those places where if I'm lucky,

0:44:06.160 --> 0:44:08.960
<v Speaker 3>I'll get to see that place as an American, But

0:44:09.440 --> 0:44:12.560
<v Speaker 3>this is the first America that anyone saw, really. Yeah,

0:44:13.440 --> 0:44:17.239
<v Speaker 3>So I wonder if you can talk a little bit

0:44:17.320 --> 0:44:23.560
<v Speaker 3>about how Alaska fits into the environmental story, the environmental

0:44:23.640 --> 0:44:27.239
<v Speaker 3>history of the United States. We sort of see it

0:44:28.280 --> 0:44:30.480
<v Speaker 3>at the beginning of our narrative of the West when

0:44:30.480 --> 0:44:33.799
<v Speaker 3>we talk about peopling this continent, and then it sort

0:44:33.840 --> 0:44:39.360
<v Speaker 3>of seems like it bubbles up again with Russian colonization instraction,

0:44:40.440 --> 0:44:42.880
<v Speaker 3>and then we kind of lose it until Jimmy Carter

0:44:43.000 --> 0:44:46.040
<v Speaker 3>and the Lands Bill, Right, So, can you tell me

0:44:46.080 --> 0:44:48.160
<v Speaker 3>a little bit about how you think of Alaska as

0:44:48.239 --> 0:44:49.600
<v Speaker 3>part of the Western story.

0:44:50.680 --> 0:44:55.000
<v Speaker 1>Well, there's no question that Alaska is central to the

0:44:55.040 --> 0:44:58.000
<v Speaker 1>Western story, because, as you point out, this is the

0:44:58.040 --> 0:45:01.360
<v Speaker 1>first part of the world in North America that humans

0:45:01.440 --> 0:45:06.600
<v Speaker 1>got to so it's the first place on the continent

0:45:06.680 --> 0:45:12.200
<v Speaker 1>that human eyes are going to see. And because of

0:45:12.239 --> 0:45:18.240
<v Speaker 1>its location as far north as it is, it's ended

0:45:18.400 --> 0:45:23.440
<v Speaker 1>up kind of doing a disappearing act from time to time.

0:45:24.000 --> 0:45:27.960
<v Speaker 1>And I think one of the reasons I wanted to

0:45:28.000 --> 0:45:32.200
<v Speaker 1>tell this particular story is I wanted to remind people

0:45:32.239 --> 0:45:39.200
<v Speaker 1>interested in the West that Alaska still probably preserves more

0:45:39.360 --> 0:45:44.120
<v Speaker 1>of the Frontier Old West character than any other part

0:45:44.440 --> 0:45:47.520
<v Speaker 1>of America. I mean, Montana makes a good stab at it,

0:45:47.880 --> 0:45:50.960
<v Speaker 1>Wyoming makes a stab at it. There's some other parts

0:45:51.000 --> 0:45:54.760
<v Speaker 1>of the Lower forty eight, to be sure, that begin

0:45:54.960 --> 0:45:58.000
<v Speaker 1>to look something like what you imagine the Frontier did.

0:45:58.000 --> 0:46:02.319
<v Speaker 1>But Alaska, there's no question, I mean, the last Frontier is.

0:46:02.840 --> 0:46:06.799
<v Speaker 1>It's Alaska, and it's the place that I think in

0:46:06.920 --> 0:46:10.919
<v Speaker 1>the mind of Alaskans, they believe this, and they think

0:46:10.960 --> 0:46:14.960
<v Speaker 1>of the place that way. But with something like the

0:46:15.120 --> 0:46:19.480
<v Speaker 1>Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, I mean, you really do have

0:46:19.560 --> 0:46:22.479
<v Speaker 1>an opportunity, if you. I mean, and to be sure,

0:46:22.520 --> 0:46:25.600
<v Speaker 1>this is a rare thing to get to do. Not

0:46:25.800 --> 0:46:29.560
<v Speaker 1>many Americans are going to get to go to the

0:46:29.640 --> 0:46:33.000
<v Speaker 1>to ann War and see this kind of world. I mean,

0:46:33.040 --> 0:46:35.759
<v Speaker 1>we floated for twelve days down the Hula Hula River.

0:46:36.120 --> 0:46:39.720
<v Speaker 1>We never saw another party. We saw one native hunting

0:46:39.800 --> 0:46:42.760
<v Speaker 1>camp just as we emerged out of the Brooks Range,

0:46:43.160 --> 0:46:48.200
<v Speaker 1>but other than a group of backpackers who flew in

0:46:48.320 --> 0:46:50.680
<v Speaker 1>the same time we did and headed off in a

0:46:50.719 --> 0:46:53.640
<v Speaker 1>different direction, we never saw anybody else. And that was

0:46:53.680 --> 0:46:57.279
<v Speaker 1>the first day we were there. So it's a thing

0:46:57.400 --> 0:47:02.480
<v Speaker 1>that is not an easy venture to have. But on

0:47:02.520 --> 0:47:06.080
<v Speaker 1>the other hand, when you do it, you can't help

0:47:06.200 --> 0:47:09.319
<v Speaker 1>but come away with this kind of feeling that you've

0:47:09.360 --> 0:47:13.560
<v Speaker 1>been privileged to see something of original America, that this

0:47:13.840 --> 0:47:18.520
<v Speaker 1>is what the continent looked like, and that I think

0:47:18.640 --> 0:47:22.360
<v Speaker 1>when you see it, instills in you a kind of

0:47:22.400 --> 0:47:27.400
<v Speaker 1>a horror that something like what happened to the Southern

0:47:27.480 --> 0:47:33.360
<v Speaker 1>high Plains might happen to this particular part of the West.

0:47:34.000 --> 0:47:38.400
<v Speaker 1>I mean, and war is four times the size of

0:47:38.480 --> 0:47:42.799
<v Speaker 1>Yellowstone National Park. It's almost twenty million acres. It is

0:47:42.840 --> 0:47:48.359
<v Speaker 1>a gigantic landscape, and you just don't have the opportunity

0:47:48.480 --> 0:47:52.440
<v Speaker 1>to be in places like that in the modern age

0:47:53.520 --> 0:47:57.120
<v Speaker 1>very often. I mean, it was the wildest place I've

0:47:57.520 --> 0:48:02.240
<v Speaker 1>ever been, and it's probably an experience in my life

0:48:02.320 --> 0:48:05.759
<v Speaker 1>that is right up there in the top one or

0:48:05.760 --> 0:48:08.640
<v Speaker 1>two or three of the things that I've ever gotten

0:48:08.680 --> 0:48:12.640
<v Speaker 1>to do was to see that particular, that particular part

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<v Speaker 1>of America.

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<v Speaker 3>In this piece, you you mentioned the Mauris and their

0:48:20.400 --> 0:48:23.960
<v Speaker 3>work in Alaska, and I feel like the Mauris are

0:48:25.239 --> 0:48:28.799
<v Speaker 3>sort of overlooked as a first family of American conservation.

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<v Speaker 2>I wonder if you can.

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<v Speaker 3>Give the audience a little bit more context around, you know,

0:48:35.840 --> 0:48:40.520
<v Speaker 3>oh else and Adolph and trying to remember the his

0:48:40.920 --> 0:48:44.120
<v Speaker 3>wife's name, Marty Maria Arti Mury, Arti Mury.

0:48:44.440 --> 0:48:44.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh. So, Olas and Adolph were were the brothers both

0:48:50.000 --> 0:48:55.279
<v Speaker 1>trained as as biologists. Uh. And I mean I've talked

0:48:55.320 --> 0:48:59.239
<v Speaker 1>about them, uh in some of the recent episodes, particularly

0:48:59.320 --> 0:49:03.880
<v Speaker 1>the the one on wolves, a couple of episodes back

0:49:04.320 --> 0:49:09.239
<v Speaker 1>where these two guys in the nineteen thirties were, I mean,

0:49:09.239 --> 0:49:11.800
<v Speaker 1>one of them was working for the Park Service, Adolph

0:49:12.239 --> 0:49:15.440
<v Speaker 1>and Olas Murray was working for the Bureau of Biological

0:49:15.480 --> 0:49:21.440
<v Speaker 1>Survey and they both got sent to do the first

0:49:22.280 --> 0:49:27.040
<v Speaker 1>scientific studies anyone had done about coyotes and then in

0:49:27.120 --> 0:49:31.200
<v Speaker 1>Adolph's case, about wolves. And so Adolph is the first

0:49:31.520 --> 0:49:34.160
<v Speaker 1>of the two brothers to get the visit Alaska. He

0:49:34.239 --> 0:49:39.000
<v Speaker 1>goes to Mount McKinley National Park in nineteen thirty nine

0:49:39.120 --> 0:49:41.800
<v Speaker 1>and spends about three years there studying wolves, and of

0:49:41.840 --> 0:49:44.400
<v Speaker 1>course writes that great book, The Wolves of Mount McKinley.

0:49:45.880 --> 0:49:49.840
<v Speaker 1>And so these two guys, I mean, they really were,

0:49:50.280 --> 0:49:54.920
<v Speaker 1>along with Aldo Leopold, I think, the premier ecologist and

0:49:55.040 --> 0:49:59.680
<v Speaker 1>conservation minded ecologists of the middle of the twentieth century.

0:50:00.640 --> 0:50:04.640
<v Speaker 1>Both of them ended up leaving the services that they

0:50:04.719 --> 0:50:08.960
<v Speaker 1>worked for and primarily worked for the Wilderness Society for

0:50:09.160 --> 0:50:12.200
<v Speaker 1>most of their lives, and Olas and Marty of course

0:50:13.160 --> 0:50:16.920
<v Speaker 1>became figures who were I mean, they're all over the West.

0:50:16.960 --> 0:50:21.760
<v Speaker 1>They're in Jackson Hole, They're in Yellowstone. They obviously play

0:50:21.800 --> 0:50:26.080
<v Speaker 1>a huge role in getting this particular place set aside,

0:50:26.120 --> 0:50:29.960
<v Speaker 1>the Archte National Wildlife Refuge, which is designated by the

0:50:29.960 --> 0:50:34.000
<v Speaker 1>Eisenhower administration, And they also played a role in getting

0:50:34.160 --> 0:50:37.000
<v Speaker 1>much of it about forty percent of it designated as wilderness.

0:50:37.400 --> 0:50:41.520
<v Speaker 1>I mean, Olos Murray is the primary mover behind the

0:50:41.600 --> 0:50:44.960
<v Speaker 1>Charles Russell Wildlife Refuge in Montana on.

0:50:44.920 --> 0:50:45.759
<v Speaker 2>The Missouri River.

0:50:46.200 --> 0:50:49.160
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, these are people, and I keep looking for

0:50:49.200 --> 0:50:53.880
<v Speaker 1>somebody to write a major sort of book, kind of

0:50:53.920 --> 0:50:57.319
<v Speaker 1>like Doug Brinkley did about Teddy Roosevelt a few years ago,

0:50:57.360 --> 0:51:00.600
<v Speaker 1>Wilderness Warrior. Someone needs to do a book out the

0:51:00.760 --> 0:51:03.480
<v Speaker 1>Murys and the role they've played in the American West.

0:51:03.600 --> 0:51:06.600
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. I feel the same way. I feel like whenever

0:51:06.640 --> 0:51:10.320
<v Speaker 3>I read about wildlife and wild places in the twentieth century,

0:51:10.320 --> 0:51:13.360
<v Speaker 3>their names are going to mix in somehow. And the

0:51:13.400 --> 0:51:17.840
<v Speaker 3>Craighead brothers as well, these sort of undersung heroes of

0:51:17.880 --> 0:51:23.759
<v Speaker 3>twentieth century conservation that that are behind the scenes oftentimes,

0:51:23.760 --> 0:51:26.160
<v Speaker 3>that don't maybe get their time in the in the spotlight.

0:51:27.239 --> 0:51:28.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and they should.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Well, Dan appreciate it.

0:51:30.640 --> 0:51:31.600
<v Speaker 2>Thank you, Ran, Thank you.