1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:03,160 Speaker 1: Michael Kopek had the same kind of struggles a little 2 00:00:03,160 --> 00:00:06,480 Speaker 1: bit not quite probably to Bobby's level, but he's trying 3 00:00:06,480 --> 00:00:08,559 Speaker 1: to find a wrinkle pitch like Rokie's gonna eventually have 4 00:00:08,600 --> 00:00:19,400 Speaker 1: to learn too, and he just isn't isn't finding it. 5 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:23,799 Speaker 2: Hello everybody, and welcome to Dodgers Territory. So happy that 6 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:25,759 Speaker 2: you were with us. Thank you for being here. I 7 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:28,480 Speaker 2: am Alana Rizzo. That is Clint Piscias. We are your 8 00:00:28,520 --> 00:00:31,440 Speaker 2: host for the next thirty minutes. Trevor May, the host 9 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:33,479 Speaker 2: of May Day. Of course, former Big Leader, is going 10 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:36,479 Speaker 2: to join us here momentarily looking forward to that. Make 11 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:39,479 Speaker 2: sure you like us, rate us five stars, subscribe all 12 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 2: of the things. Cubs, I'm tired of you, Clint Pacias. 13 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 2: Let's get to the big ticket. 14 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:50,479 Speaker 3: So it's very tired, Clint. 15 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 2: The Cubs got swept. I got swept right out of 16 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:53,599 Speaker 2: wriggly My. 17 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:56,000 Speaker 3: Friend Dodgers got swept by the cub. 18 00:00:56,080 --> 00:00:58,320 Speaker 2: They meant the frickin Dodgers got swept right out of 19 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:02,480 Speaker 2: Wrigley Field. I'm glad we're done with the Cubbies this year. 20 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 2: Perhaps they're better than we thought they were, but that's okay. 21 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:11,640 Speaker 2: Better on April twenty second and twenty third than October 22 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:14,920 Speaker 2: twenty second and twenty third. Your biggest takeaway, sir, of 23 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 2: this series, I'll be short. 24 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 4: Short series. Yeah, and I'm so done facing the Cubs. 25 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:23,160 Speaker 4: But it's are the Cubs better than we thought they were? 26 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 4: Are the Dodgers worse off than we were hoping they 27 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:30,120 Speaker 4: would be. I'm sure maybe there's a little combination in there, 28 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:32,800 Speaker 4: but yeah, just very done with it. Everything that could 29 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 4: go wrong pitching wise did go wrong for this team. 30 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 4: Of course, you have a lot of relievers blow having 31 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:43,280 Speaker 4: to blow their load in this series. Jack Dryer for 32 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:46,040 Speaker 4: the first time putting up a bad outing in his 33 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:50,400 Speaker 4: major league career, gives up four earned yesterday. We also had, 34 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:54,200 Speaker 4: of course, the previous game, Dustin May having his worst 35 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 4: start of the season. All this kind of stuff, it's like, 36 00:01:56,760 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 4: I do wonder if this pitching staff is gas And 37 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:00,840 Speaker 4: we talked a little bit of that on the post 38 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:04,000 Speaker 4: game on Tuesday. It's it's showing signs of being pretty 39 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 4: worn out. Relievers dodge a bullpen, leeds baseball in innings 40 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 4: pitch this year, and it's just overall, there. 41 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:15,120 Speaker 3: Was a tough watch of a series. I'll settle on 42 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:16,359 Speaker 3: that it was a tough watch. 43 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 2: I think things will even themselves out. I am not panicking. 44 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 2: I refuse to panic. One thing I've learned about this 45 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 2: team is never doubt them, and I don't. I don't 46 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 2: doubt them, and I think they're going to be fine. Yeah, 47 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:30,680 Speaker 2: I mean, Jack Dryer came back down to earth. 48 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:32,119 Speaker 3: Can we do both? Though? 49 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 4: Can we panic a little bit while still knowing they're 50 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:35,959 Speaker 4: going to figure it out? 51 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 2: Whilst I mean you can sure. I mean you're you're 52 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 2: a fan, You're allowed to do so. I'm just going 53 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:44,360 Speaker 2: to be the voice of reason if you will. You know, 54 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:47,120 Speaker 2: it's a it was a crappy series and their home 55 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:49,640 Speaker 2: and Dave Robert said after the game post game to 56 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 2: reporters that the off day once again is coming at 57 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 2: a good time. The Dodgers have played well at home, 58 00:02:56,520 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 2: so that is a good thing. The offense tried to 59 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:03,200 Speaker 2: battle through it again much better showing from Mookie Betts, 60 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 2: you know, three for five. So again, I don't have 61 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 2: a doubt that this team is going to be fine. 62 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:14,400 Speaker 2: I'm more concerned about Blake Snell not coming back soon. 63 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, the Snell. The Snell thing. 64 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:19,919 Speaker 4: We got a graphic about that, telling us that Snell, 65 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:22,440 Speaker 4: who was supposed to of course throw a bullpen session 66 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 4: there in Chicago, shutdown, scratched and heading back to or 67 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:30,880 Speaker 4: everybody heading back to LA. But we'll be undergoing imaging 68 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:33,880 Speaker 4: on that baky left shoulder. 69 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:35,280 Speaker 3: Of his and that is not ideal. 70 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 4: That is not good, and that is something that is 71 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 4: very worrisome when we're talking. You know, initially maybe he 72 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 4: wasn't going to miss the start, and now all of 73 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 4: a sudden. 74 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 3: It could be weeks, it could be god knows how long. 75 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 4: But that's a big blow for, like I said, already 76 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:55,160 Speaker 4: overwhelmed pitching staff right now. And and you know, rumors 77 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 4: of all that depth were greatly exaggerated entering the season. 78 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 3: We knew would come later onto the season. 79 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 4: But yeah, this is a this is definitely a big blow, 80 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:05,800 Speaker 4: and other dudes are gonna need to step up. Tony 81 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:09,800 Speaker 4: Gonsolin will be coming back and rejoining the starting rotation 82 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:12,960 Speaker 4: soon enough. He just wrapped up a five inning outing 83 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 4: in uh well five plus at TRIPLEA, Oklahoma City last night, 84 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:20,560 Speaker 4: and all things turned out well. So there's one arm back, 85 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:23,200 Speaker 4: there's one all star back. But it's still like this 86 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 4: is tough and Glass now with the calf last time 87 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:29,599 Speaker 4: and or ankle, whatever it was, they need a little 88 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 4: bit of help. It feels like they need a little 89 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 4: bit of help. 90 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:34,440 Speaker 2: Well, Glass now at least was just cramps. I mean, 91 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 2: you can get over that. We made the joke about 92 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:37,840 Speaker 2: the pickle juice and all of the things. But I mean, 93 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 2: I'm not super concerned about that. I mean, Blake Snell 94 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:42,920 Speaker 2: is a bit concerning. But I had this conversation with 95 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:46,280 Speaker 2: Ken Rosenthal today unfair territory that you know, the Dodgers 96 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 2: will be overly cautious when it comes to certain guys. 97 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 2: There is no way in the world that the Dodgers 98 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:53,359 Speaker 2: are not making the postseason right, So they're going to 99 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:56,680 Speaker 2: make sure that they're being overly cautious with guys, not 100 00:04:56,760 --> 00:04:59,680 Speaker 2: running guys out there too long. Remember how exhausted they 101 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:03,039 Speaker 2: were and Aj Pierzinski just had this conversation on foul 102 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 2: territory or Eric Krest did rather that they were exhausted 103 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:08,680 Speaker 2: at the end of the season. So they're trying to 104 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:11,800 Speaker 2: minimize those types of things. And you learn something from 105 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 2: the past to take into this year. Right, the Dodgers 106 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:16,120 Speaker 2: are going to be fine. They're going to make the postseason. 107 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 2: They're going to get more reinforcements coming back. You mentioned 108 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:24,120 Speaker 2: Gonsolin on his way obviously curse. At some point they'll 109 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:26,680 Speaker 2: figure it out. I just find that, you know, we 110 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:30,840 Speaker 2: started the season one sixty two and oh and now 111 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 2: we're like, what is that about? 112 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:32,359 Speaker 5: Ay? 113 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:36,160 Speaker 4: You know he's funny, huh it is. 114 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:38,919 Speaker 2: It's a funny, funny, funny, funny game that continues to 115 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 2: kick us right in its teeth. We have special guests 116 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:43,920 Speaker 2: that we want to bring, Yeah, that we want to 117 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 2: bring on the show. 118 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:47,159 Speaker 4: Go ahead, Well, first we got to hear from our 119 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:50,360 Speaker 4: buddies Todd Frazier and Scott Braun about Arena Club. 120 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:52,839 Speaker 3: Then we're going to talk to Trivor May Todd Father. 121 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:57,200 Speaker 6: I love the way that modern technology has changed the 122 00:05:57,240 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 6: way that we buy sell trade cards, even rip packs. 123 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 6: They're called slab packs, and they're on Arena Club. No 124 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 6: more shuffling through everything. The common cards are all over 125 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 6: the place. 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Give give people 145 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:08,080 Speaker 4: the the you know backstory of the great Trevor May 146 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:11,680 Speaker 4: part of the Foul Territory Network Alana as he gets 147 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 4: his mic squared away. 148 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:16,640 Speaker 2: Well, he's obviously hosting may Day, part of the Foul 149 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:20,560 Speaker 2: Territory platform as he works on his stuff that airs weekly. 150 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 5: Now can hear me now say, yeah, specially right when 151 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:27,280 Speaker 5: I joined. I'm so sorry about that. 152 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 2: That's Okay, welcome to the show. We appreciate you very much. 153 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:32,600 Speaker 2: We were just talking, of course, Trevor about the Dodgers 154 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:35,440 Speaker 2: here on Dodger territory. I know that sounds weird, but 155 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:38,679 Speaker 2: what are you looking at when you're watching these games? 156 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 2: Clinton and I were talking about depth sometimes lack thereof, 157 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:45,080 Speaker 2: because you know they're missing a couple of guys, But 158 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 2: is there any reason for Dodgers fans to be concerned? 159 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 1: One thing I've been doing a lot when getting questions 160 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:56,200 Speaker 1: like this, especially with this team, is comparing it to 161 00:07:56,320 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 1: last year because they had a lot of injuries issues 162 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:03,200 Speaker 1: and at that time, and even more so, i'd say 163 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 1: than they have right now, especially without a Shoho Tani 164 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:10,400 Speaker 1: and the Wings getting ready and Clayton Kershaw getting ready, 165 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:13,000 Speaker 1: they have so much more depth now and that that 166 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 1: leads me to the like it would take twice as 167 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:19,440 Speaker 1: many injuries to decimate them in a way where it's 168 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:23,520 Speaker 1: a huge issue in starting pitching side of things. And 169 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:26,760 Speaker 1: they're notorious for piecing together bullpen games. 170 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:27,760 Speaker 5: As well to bridge the gap. 171 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 1: So they have a lot of tools in their toolbox, 172 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:34,120 Speaker 1: more than maybe any other team. But that said, you know, 173 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:38,320 Speaker 1: you want your highest caliber pitchers available. It's it's not 174 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 1: just about having guys who can throw a ball. It's 175 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:44,080 Speaker 1: about having the best guys throwing the ball that you 176 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 1: could have. 177 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:46,520 Speaker 5: So, like, having blaked. 178 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:49,040 Speaker 1: Down is not ideal, especially with the contract you just signed. 179 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:52,920 Speaker 1: You know, you're hoping you get these these big a 180 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:55,680 Speaker 1: lot of production out of everybody, But in terms of 181 00:08:55,679 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 1: being able to weather a storm, there's just not a 182 00:08:57,800 --> 00:09:01,439 Speaker 1: team that is even close to the dog the way 183 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:04,200 Speaker 1: it's set up in order to like, whether it's a 184 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 1: storm like this. 185 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean we saw them last year. 186 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:09,280 Speaker 4: They were battered, beaten and bruised, and they still found 187 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 4: a way to kind of traverse through winning eleven games 188 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:14,480 Speaker 4: in the postseason. It can be done, but these are 189 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:16,880 Speaker 4: the tough times of the season. I imagine you know 190 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 4: very well, as a longtime big league pitcher, what kind 191 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:23,560 Speaker 4: of strain does do these stretches do on a bullpen 192 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:26,480 Speaker 4: arm When you're missing so many starting pitchers and you 193 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:30,360 Speaker 4: have bullpen games already, you know, coming down in April, 194 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:32,560 Speaker 4: what does that do for the guys who I imagine 195 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 4: you guys are grinding, You're you're trying to, you know, 196 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 4: pull for each other and be like, you know, f Yeah, bro, 197 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:39,160 Speaker 4: I got this, we got this, But at some point 198 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:40,200 Speaker 4: you're gonna get tired. 199 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:44,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's it's a grind. Even in the best 200 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 1: of times in the bullpen. You know, there's teams out 201 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:49,680 Speaker 1: there running six man rotations for length of time, which 202 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:51,800 Speaker 1: means you only get seven bullpen guys, which is an 203 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:54,439 Speaker 1: absolute nightmare unless those six guys are all going deep 204 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:55,040 Speaker 1: into games. 205 00:09:56,320 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 5: So like, it can. 206 00:09:57,840 --> 00:10:01,680 Speaker 1: Definitely be any extra grind you're adding or anything that 207 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:03,520 Speaker 1: that happens where you look out at that bullpen and 208 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 1: you say, we're gonna ask you to do a little 209 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 1: bit more. We're gonna ask you to do a little 210 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:07,320 Speaker 1: bit more, We're gonna lead on you a little bit more. 211 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:11,440 Speaker 1: As it's like a dam breaking. If some guys start 212 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:13,559 Speaker 1: going down or throw too many innings, it could be 213 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:16,720 Speaker 1: a snowball effect that then effects the starting pitchers back 214 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 1: again when they come back, because you need to cover 215 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:20,360 Speaker 1: more innings and they need to go stretch out. So like, 216 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:25,120 Speaker 1: it can be a a lasting problem. There was actually 217 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:29,640 Speaker 1: a wonderful piece written by Louis Paullus earlier this this 218 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:33,680 Speaker 1: year on his newsletter. I believe it's called uh Loue 219 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:36,360 Speaker 1: report or lose letters what it's called. And he made 220 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:42,000 Speaker 1: the case that that bullpens are actually two days after, 221 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:44,280 Speaker 1: you know, getting a long start from their starter, they 222 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:47,839 Speaker 1: the statistics show that they're just way better, and the 223 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 1: opposite happens when believers have to come in in the 224 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:53,719 Speaker 1: third inning or the second inning a couple of days 225 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:56,120 Speaker 1: in a row. The adverse effects to the bullpen and 226 00:10:56,120 --> 00:10:59,320 Speaker 1: their statistics long term are tough for a week or 227 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:01,120 Speaker 1: even two weeks aft for that. So like, it just 228 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:04,000 Speaker 1: shows kind of the residual effects of losing pitchers. 229 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:05,520 Speaker 5: In one of these roles. 230 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 1: A guy here and there is fine, It's just like 231 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 1: you lose three in a short amount of time and 232 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:12,959 Speaker 1: you're filling in gaps with when young guys who don't 233 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 1: have a lot of experience, they don't have long leashes. 234 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:18,200 Speaker 1: That can really wear on the psyche of a reliever 235 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:21,280 Speaker 1: as well, knowing that I'm a three out guy, now 236 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 1: I'm a five out guy, and that I got to 237 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 1: figure out a way to do it. 238 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:27,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, what is this four out, five out save that 239 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:29,720 Speaker 2: some folks are talking about in the postseason, Trevor, I 240 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:31,320 Speaker 2: want to go back to the starting rotation of the 241 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:33,320 Speaker 2: Dodgers For just a hot second. When you look at 242 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:36,000 Speaker 2: Roki Sosaki, we know that he is a guy that's young, 243 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:38,200 Speaker 2: He's a guy that's learning his way in the big leagues. 244 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:42,359 Speaker 2: He had two pitches. What is this supposed second fastball? 245 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:47,160 Speaker 2: Explain that to me? And also how long can a 246 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:51,200 Speaker 2: starter get away with two effective pitches? As he tries 247 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:53,720 Speaker 2: to add something to that Arsenal. 248 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:57,720 Speaker 1: I think that varies to answer the second part of 249 00:11:57,720 --> 00:12:00,200 Speaker 1: the question. First, in terms of being a two pitch 250 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 1: pitcher as a starter, you can get away with it 251 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:07,120 Speaker 1: for I'd say a portion of a season if it's 252 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:10,160 Speaker 1: good enough. Now, by all accounts, his splitter slash four 253 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:13,640 Speaker 1: ball depending on who he asked, is as unique of 254 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:16,400 Speaker 1: a off speed pitch as anyone has in the league, 255 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:19,800 Speaker 1: and it moves in a way that is unpredictable to 256 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:23,160 Speaker 1: almost everyone, including him and the catcher. So that's going 257 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:26,600 Speaker 1: to be a good weapon regardless. The problem is it's 258 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:29,559 Speaker 1: the big league, so that needs to either be a 259 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:32,040 Speaker 1: strike all the time. You've got to be pinpoint command 260 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:34,480 Speaker 1: with it, or you need to learn something else. A 261 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:37,400 Speaker 1: guy a prime example of this, a guy like Justin Steele. 262 00:12:37,640 --> 00:12:42,400 Speaker 1: He throws basically two pitches, but he just varies how 263 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:46,960 Speaker 1: he manipulates the ball within those two pitches, and so 264 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:49,520 Speaker 1: it really makes him feel like he has several Now 265 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:50,920 Speaker 1: he technically throws a change it, but he throws like 266 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:52,760 Speaker 1: three percent of time. So it's like he's a slider 267 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:55,480 Speaker 1: fastball guy, but he knows how to like yank the fastball. 268 00:12:55,480 --> 00:12:57,040 Speaker 1: He knows how to sink it a little bit when 269 00:12:57,080 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 1: he needs to. He has big, big slider, small sliders, 270 00:12:59,880 --> 00:13:02,120 Speaker 1: so he's turned it into all these different pitches that 271 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:05,560 Speaker 1: even though on paper he's not seth Lugo, he is, 272 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:08,120 Speaker 1: he is working within the framework. Rokie is not one 273 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:10,800 Speaker 1: of those guys. He is trying to maximize his fastball 274 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:13,720 Speaker 1: stuff and he's trying to maximize his splitter stuff. 275 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:15,000 Speaker 5: Those are the two things he does. 276 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:19,200 Speaker 1: And his slider is biometrics, a solid, okay pitch, throw 277 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:21,000 Speaker 1: it over first strike, gets some swinging missess from time 278 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:23,440 Speaker 1: to time, but it's not a power breaking ball like 279 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:25,360 Speaker 1: most pretty much eye in the Major League. He's looking 280 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:27,560 Speaker 1: for now and he can't really use it as a 281 00:13:27,559 --> 00:13:29,760 Speaker 1: wrinkle either. And that's to kind of take it to 282 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:32,400 Speaker 1: the second part or the first part of the question. 283 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:36,600 Speaker 1: The two fastballs. The multiple fastballs thing is what every 284 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:37,679 Speaker 1: pitcher is looking to do. 285 00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:39,240 Speaker 5: A lot of news. 286 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 1: It was talked about a lot going into spring training. 287 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:44,000 Speaker 1: Paul Skeens having four pitches last year, coming to the 288 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:45,679 Speaker 1: big leagues, having all the success, and he comes into 289 00:13:45,679 --> 00:13:47,640 Speaker 1: spring he's like, I'm throwing a sinker and a cutter 290 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:51,000 Speaker 1: now and now I have three fastballs, and everyone's like why, 291 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:53,880 Speaker 1: Like you were so good, and he's like, it's because 292 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:55,760 Speaker 1: I would actually like guys to hit the ball harder 293 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 1: or earlier in account because I want to go deeper 294 00:13:57,880 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 1: in a game, because I won't throw a lot of innings. 295 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:00,839 Speaker 1: I want to be an ace. And the only way 296 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:03,360 Speaker 1: to do that you can't strike everybody out. You just 297 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:05,480 Speaker 1: throw too many pitches to do that. So it was 298 00:14:05,520 --> 00:14:08,520 Speaker 1: his way of getting people off of his good pitches 299 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:11,079 Speaker 1: that then are producing strikeouts anyway. So he's getting in 300 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:13,560 Speaker 1: the strikeouts the same way, but he's throwing less pitches 301 00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:15,480 Speaker 1: to get that many strikeouts, and that was his goal. 302 00:14:15,559 --> 00:14:17,600 Speaker 1: That's very advanced for a twenty two year old, but 303 00:14:17,679 --> 00:14:19,440 Speaker 1: Roki is going to have to do that same thing 304 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:21,560 Speaker 1: was once you have one pitch and everyone's worried about 305 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:24,640 Speaker 1: all the time, they tend to get better at taking 306 00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:27,280 Speaker 1: it when it's a ball and fighting it off when 307 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:30,360 Speaker 1: it's a strike. And when that happens, how can you 308 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:32,320 Speaker 1: get them off it again so you can go back 309 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:35,840 Speaker 1: to it without throwing one hundred pitches in four innings, 310 00:14:35,840 --> 00:14:38,880 Speaker 1: which is so good that he could throw four innings 311 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:41,560 Speaker 1: give up a run or no runs, but it'd take 312 00:14:41,640 --> 00:14:44,040 Speaker 1: him all of his pitches to get through that. And 313 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:48,200 Speaker 1: in the big leagues, it's about adding additional pitches that 314 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:51,160 Speaker 1: are called wrinkles that maybe aren't nasty in a swing 315 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:53,280 Speaker 1: of miss way, and they might give them more contact, 316 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:54,960 Speaker 1: but they make everything else better. And they're a pitch 317 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:56,920 Speaker 1: and get soft contact or maybe a ground ball and 318 00:14:57,000 --> 00:14:58,920 Speaker 1: a one zero count or something. He's going to need 319 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:02,520 Speaker 1: a sinker or cut or some like a splinker, like 320 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:04,920 Speaker 1: a hard version of a splitter. That's what's comfortable to him, 321 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:08,320 Speaker 1: something that is a strike pitch that is hard that 322 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:10,880 Speaker 1: than allow him to get to his splitter his break. 323 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:13,240 Speaker 4: Well, Yeah, I was having this conversation or a similar 324 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:16,520 Speaker 4: conversation recently. I love that you're bringing it up as well. 325 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 4: I think a cutter would help him out a whole bunch, 326 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:21,280 Speaker 4: just something to get the ball moving the other way. 327 00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:23,840 Speaker 4: We did see in a start against the Rangers, you know, 328 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:26,720 Speaker 4: the ball him worrying less about the velocity and that 329 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:28,760 Speaker 4: ball kind of you know, getting a little bit more 330 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:31,240 Speaker 4: arm side run. I think that benefits him a whole lot, 331 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:34,320 Speaker 4: sitting around ninety three ninety four, And then it feels 332 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:37,680 Speaker 4: to me like that splitty plays a lot better just 333 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:40,960 Speaker 4: talking like mechanically with the pitching. Obviously he's one of 334 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:43,480 Speaker 4: those dudes. He sets up with that fork ball grip. 335 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:46,360 Speaker 4: How how much this is I guess this is more 336 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:48,760 Speaker 4: so me taking advantage of talking to a pitcher about it, 337 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:52,760 Speaker 4: but like getting from here to like a good cut 338 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:56,880 Speaker 4: fastball does with the way he throws, like, would that 339 00:15:56,920 --> 00:15:59,760 Speaker 4: be a natural addition to his arsenal, I guess is 340 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:01,440 Speaker 4: where I'm trying to get to with this question. 341 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:05,280 Speaker 1: I think so yeah, because cutter grips are usually pretty 342 00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:07,600 Speaker 1: close to foreseeing grips are just augmented off that, and 343 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:10,120 Speaker 1: he already gets to his four seam. So I think 344 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:13,200 Speaker 1: that people who throw splitters almost always start with splitter 345 00:16:13,200 --> 00:16:15,240 Speaker 1: grip because it's because you have to buy its nature. 346 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:16,760 Speaker 1: You have to dig into your glove and you don't 347 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:19,040 Speaker 1: want to do that when you're coming set because it's 348 00:16:19,080 --> 00:16:21,200 Speaker 1: very easy to see. So you start dug and then 349 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:24,240 Speaker 1: you come and then every other pitch is moving out 350 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:27,960 Speaker 1: of that that position, or if you're holding the splitter anyways, 351 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:30,040 Speaker 1: you can like fake it. You can fake as if 352 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:32,000 Speaker 1: you're pulling off it or something. You can fake the 353 00:16:32,040 --> 00:16:34,480 Speaker 1: other way. You can't fake the digging, So that makes 354 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:36,240 Speaker 1: a lot of sense. I actually held a splitter grip 355 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:38,160 Speaker 1: my last two years, even though I stopped throwing my 356 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:41,240 Speaker 1: splitter because none of my other pitch grips, I didn't 357 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:42,600 Speaker 1: throw a splitter anymore, so I had to change it 358 00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 1: no matter what, which made it so I didn't have 359 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 1: to worry about it anymore. 360 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:47,840 Speaker 5: So that a lot of guys do that now too. 361 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 1: You just grip a pitch you don't throw to start 362 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 1: so that you can so you can move it every time. 363 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:55,440 Speaker 1: So I don't think that would be a big deal. 364 00:16:55,520 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 1: I think maybe he's got some angle on his forcing 365 00:16:58,280 --> 00:16:59,760 Speaker 1: fast pull. He like tends to throw it down in 366 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:02,720 Speaker 1: his not something you want to do, especially very often, 367 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:05,600 Speaker 1: especially when you don't have a ton of ride like 368 00:17:05,720 --> 00:17:09,280 Speaker 1: it kind of does. But he's not a long extension guy, 369 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:11,760 Speaker 1: and he's not a low released type of guy, so 370 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:15,880 Speaker 1: ride doesn't isn't as good for him anyways, So it's 371 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:18,800 Speaker 1: about locating it up and then using the splitter off it. 372 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:23,200 Speaker 1: So he the problem is learning a cutter a lot 373 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:25,000 Speaker 1: of times not the easiest thing to do because it's 374 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 1: a slight version of your four team, so you can 375 00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:28,200 Speaker 1: mess up your force team a little bit. 376 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:29,119 Speaker 5: I struggled with that. 377 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:31,800 Speaker 1: I couldn't throw a cutter because my force team is 378 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:33,960 Speaker 1: already superinated and I was already kind of throwing a 379 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:35,879 Speaker 1: cutter grip and that's what my force team did. So 380 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:37,080 Speaker 1: in order to get it to break, I had to 381 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:39,760 Speaker 1: really turn it, which then broke everything. 382 00:17:39,920 --> 00:17:41,800 Speaker 5: So that's a concern. 383 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:45,320 Speaker 1: Sometimes a sinker is more natural, or like I said, 384 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:48,280 Speaker 1: like that whole splinker, Like it's just a slightly widened 385 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:52,080 Speaker 1: out sinker that's ninety five but moves like his splitter. 386 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:55,440 Speaker 1: That might be an option for something harder that he 387 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:57,160 Speaker 1: can throw in the zone that's gonna get hit more, 388 00:17:57,400 --> 00:18:01,560 Speaker 1: but it'll still benefit it both as anis splayer. Maybe 389 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:03,520 Speaker 1: that's the way guys are using it kind of. It's 390 00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:05,600 Speaker 1: kind of a hybrid Pitcher's a lot of those these 391 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 1: days and we're looking. 392 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:08,520 Speaker 3: For a week contact that that's the goal. 393 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:10,920 Speaker 4: Week contact, Like you said, get deep into games, like 394 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:11,879 Speaker 4: like Skeens is trying to do. 395 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:15,439 Speaker 5: I love that. Yeah, Trevor needs to do it. 396 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:18,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, Trevor May is dust and May your long lost 397 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:23,000 Speaker 2: relative and Dustin May coming into the season, we wanted 398 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:25,480 Speaker 2: to put him in the bullpen. I'm glad that he 399 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:27,479 Speaker 2: is not in the bullpen, considering the way he's been 400 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:30,160 Speaker 2: throwing the ball as a starter. What do you think 401 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:33,159 Speaker 2: they should do with Bobby Miller? Do you think they 402 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:35,520 Speaker 2: should take Miller to get out of his head a 403 00:18:35,560 --> 00:18:36,800 Speaker 2: little bit and put him in the pen. 404 00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:42,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's a I think that's a great option. 405 00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:45,359 Speaker 1: I think that he has the opportunity to be he 406 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:49,080 Speaker 1: could be a Copec type. Michael Kopek had the same 407 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:51,919 Speaker 1: kind of struggles a little bit not quite probably to 408 00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:55,480 Speaker 1: Bobby's level, but you know, we see him trying to 409 00:18:55,480 --> 00:18:57,320 Speaker 1: make the adjustments to be a starting pitcher. He's out 410 00:18:57,320 --> 00:18:59,480 Speaker 1: of the sinker. Unfortunately, the sinker moves exactly like it's 411 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:01,639 Speaker 1: forcing fast point. He's really struggling to make it sink. 412 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:04,119 Speaker 1: He's trying to find a wrinkle pitch like Broke, he's 413 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:06,560 Speaker 1: gonna eventually have to learn too, and he just isn't 414 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:10,840 Speaker 1: isn't finding it. His command is not great either. I 415 00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:12,840 Speaker 1: think that comes with he's just trying to find pitches 416 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:14,439 Speaker 1: that move the way he wants them to do. And 417 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:16,240 Speaker 1: when you have a lot of confidence that they are 418 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:19,480 Speaker 1: doing what you want them to do, you get worried 419 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:21,399 Speaker 1: about walks a little more. You get worried about like 420 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:24,200 Speaker 1: you're trying to fill up his zonne. And so he's 421 00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:26,439 Speaker 1: just kind of in the middle, and sometimes you just 422 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:29,959 Speaker 1: got to go, hey, man, go throw a hundred and 423 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:32,679 Speaker 1: throw a breaking ball. Those are the two things we 424 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:36,200 Speaker 1: needed to do. Simplify it. Sometimes they find a confidence 425 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:38,600 Speaker 1: there and then work their way back into being a starter, 426 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:40,360 Speaker 1: which maybe five years ago. 427 00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:42,440 Speaker 5: I'll be like, usually when you move. 428 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:43,879 Speaker 1: Guys out there and they find success, they want to 429 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:46,399 Speaker 1: stay because they like they like what they see. But 430 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:48,679 Speaker 1: there's a lot of guys transitioning back and it's working. 431 00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:52,320 Speaker 1: It's working much better than it did not a long 432 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:54,359 Speaker 1: time ago, and so I would say it's a viable 433 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:56,720 Speaker 1: and it's the Dodgers, so they know what to do, 434 00:19:56,800 --> 00:19:59,000 Speaker 1: and so I would say, go out there, throw it's 435 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:01,080 Speaker 1: hard to kick up some dust. As my pitching Ghastu 436 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:02,960 Speaker 1: cliber and used to say, just go pick up from dust. 437 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:05,760 Speaker 4: And obviously, I mean you're somebody I've started your career 438 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:08,359 Speaker 4: kind of starting a little bit, and I think you 439 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:11,280 Speaker 4: found a decent niche there in the bullpen. So you're 440 00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:13,480 Speaker 4: speaking from experience there. It feels like Bobby just go 441 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 4: out there, let it eat with two pitches is really 442 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:18,000 Speaker 4: going to help his career out. So maybe you know, 443 00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:19,520 Speaker 4: get on the phone, give him a call, give him 444 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:20,800 Speaker 4: some encouragement. 445 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:22,000 Speaker 3: And we'll go from there. 446 00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:25,119 Speaker 4: Another thing I did want to ask you about a 447 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:28,400 Speaker 4: lot of brings up dustin may and you kick aside 448 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:30,240 Speaker 4: the start that he had in Chicago. 449 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:32,240 Speaker 3: He's looked really, really good. 450 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:33,880 Speaker 4: Coming back from missing the greater part of the last 451 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:36,840 Speaker 4: four years with some injuries. Tough on him, you know, 452 00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:40,680 Speaker 4: battling back. You gotta love the kid, the Tanasi Tanasi 453 00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:43,280 Speaker 4: to do that. But you had talked about on your 454 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:45,000 Speaker 4: show May Day, which we do want to make sure 455 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:46,639 Speaker 4: we talk about as well. 456 00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:47,600 Speaker 3: You had mentioned on. 457 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:50,840 Speaker 4: Your show the idea last year was the endemic of 458 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:52,960 Speaker 4: all of the pitching injuries and it's been that way 459 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:55,560 Speaker 4: for a number of years now getting worse and worse, 460 00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:57,639 Speaker 4: and you had mentioned, you know, kind of bringing that 461 00:20:57,840 --> 00:21:00,639 Speaker 4: arm slot lower, bringing the arm slot lower. Dustin may 462 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:03,960 Speaker 4: is somebody who has really really you look at the 463 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:06,760 Speaker 4: numbers here, how much lower that arm angle is here 464 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:10,760 Speaker 4: in twenty twenty five versus you know, past points. 465 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:11,040 Speaker 3: In his career. 466 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:15,720 Speaker 4: Can you explain to our audience here a bit what 467 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:19,080 Speaker 4: what that does both you know, for stuff, but also 468 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:21,760 Speaker 4: for the the longevity of a pitcher's career. 469 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:24,400 Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a great question. 470 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:27,240 Speaker 1: And I'm glad you brought up Dustin because I actually 471 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:29,840 Speaker 1: didn't know that he had dropped his arm angle that much. 472 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:31,840 Speaker 1: And it seems like this is a pattern. I did 473 00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:34,680 Speaker 1: a breakdown on my show may Day a couple last week, 474 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:38,160 Speaker 1: I guess, and we talked about Paul Skins, Paul Reagan's 475 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:40,640 Speaker 1: and Gyrek Kocher, all three guys who've all dropped their 476 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:43,919 Speaker 1: arm slots also. So like when you see guys like 477 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:45,560 Speaker 1: that all saying I want to throw more innings, I 478 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:47,000 Speaker 1: want to stay healthy, and then they all do the 479 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:50,440 Speaker 1: same thing. There's probably something in the in the guyst 480 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:52,879 Speaker 1: that that people are talking about and they're making changes 481 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:55,080 Speaker 1: on It seems like, Dustin's one of those guys. So 482 00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:59,840 Speaker 1: lowering your arm slot sounds like a simple fix. There's 483 00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:01,359 Speaker 1: a lot of things that go into that. There were 484 00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:03,960 Speaker 1: a couple of studies done. One was released in February, 485 00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:05,520 Speaker 1: the other one was released in March, so this is 486 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:08,520 Speaker 1: really recent. The first one in February basically looked at 487 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:11,920 Speaker 1: twenty one different indicators on a picture's motion and then 488 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:15,000 Speaker 1: try to determine how much each one of them affected 489 00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:17,720 Speaker 1: your stress on your elbow specifically, and so this was 490 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:21,200 Speaker 1: in relation to Tommy John. One of the things they 491 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:23,840 Speaker 1: found was arm angle makes a big difference. They didn't 492 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:25,720 Speaker 1: know how much, but they were like, that's one of 493 00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:30,639 Speaker 1: the biggest factors. And there's a couple mechanical adjustments that 494 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:33,639 Speaker 1: affect your arm angle the most outside of just dropping it. 495 00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:36,840 Speaker 1: So the next one then was like, okay, so how 496 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:39,199 Speaker 1: much does the arm angle affect it? So they focused 497 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:42,959 Speaker 1: mostly on that. They tested about eighty pictures I think 498 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:45,080 Speaker 1: of seventy five or eighty different pictures which they had 499 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:50,360 Speaker 1: data on, and they roughly came down to every ten 500 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:53,760 Speaker 1: degrees you drop your arm, five less newtons on your arm. 501 00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:55,479 Speaker 1: The average is like eighty six, so it comes out 502 00:22:55,480 --> 00:23:01,159 Speaker 1: to about five percent less stress, which is significant to 503 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:04,840 Speaker 1: say the least. And this is shoulder and elbow and so. 504 00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:07,600 Speaker 1: But what it comes down to, it's not about just 505 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:09,880 Speaker 1: like whatever your mechanics are and then you just drop 506 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:11,600 Speaker 1: your arm. Whatever that is. A lot of it came 507 00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:14,280 Speaker 1: had to do with trunk tilt. What trunk tilt is 508 00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:17,359 Speaker 1: is your glove side. But basically the angle of your 509 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:19,840 Speaker 1: shoulders towards the ground on your glove side and your 510 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:21,320 Speaker 1: arms sid when you release the ball. So some guys 511 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:24,240 Speaker 1: lean really hard to their glove side and that raises 512 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:27,240 Speaker 1: their arm naturally. In the case of Crochet, for he's 513 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:29,639 Speaker 1: a prime example. There's if you look at overlays from 514 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:32,240 Speaker 1: last year to this year, it is insane how much 515 00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:35,000 Speaker 1: less tilt he has. He's way more upright, and so 516 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:37,919 Speaker 1: therefore his arm has come down basically into a natural 517 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:42,200 Speaker 1: slot in his joints, and so his wrist stopped kind 518 00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:46,560 Speaker 1: of flexing. Some guys, sometimes your your wristal flex one 519 00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:49,479 Speaker 1: way or the other to compensate versus a change in 520 00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:52,680 Speaker 1: another place. That's what pitching is. Baseball is in general, 521 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:54,720 Speaker 1: everyone's compensating because something else hurts a little bit, and 522 00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:56,680 Speaker 1: you're like, Okay, I'm gonna use this little more, and 523 00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:58,600 Speaker 1: you just automatically do it because that's how you were, 524 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:01,199 Speaker 1: that's how you learned to play. And over time you 525 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:03,320 Speaker 1: can get weird injuries happening. So a lot of guys 526 00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:05,800 Speaker 1: are cleaning this up to where there's no compensation and 527 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:09,000 Speaker 1: your arm is naturally in your in your shoulder joint 528 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:12,480 Speaker 1: where you have the most range either way, and it's 529 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:15,080 Speaker 1: move moves the most smoothly. And in order to do that, 530 00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:18,240 Speaker 1: most guys are raising themselves up and sitting up taller. 531 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:20,879 Speaker 1: So just judging by what I've seen from Dustin May, 532 00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:23,439 Speaker 1: that does seem like the case, like trunk tilt is 533 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:26,600 Speaker 1: the issue, and and it's caused a lot lesser in 534 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:29,359 Speaker 1: his arm and he's still got the velocity. Like the 535 00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:32,200 Speaker 1: biggest thing was they said, you don't lose a lot 536 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:34,800 Speaker 1: of You know, you can drop your arm quite quite 537 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:39,480 Speaker 1: a few degrees before you start getting the reduction in velocity. 538 00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:41,920 Speaker 1: It's basically when you get to zero degrees directly side 539 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:44,240 Speaker 1: arm and below that's when velocity drops. When you start 540 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:46,159 Speaker 1: to get in the submarine, your velocity just goes off 541 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:49,800 Speaker 1: a cliff. But above that it's it's almost nominal. And 542 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:52,639 Speaker 1: so these guys all throw high nineties up to one hundred. 543 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:54,959 Speaker 1: They're like, I would love to continue throwing high nineties. 544 00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:57,040 Speaker 1: That would be nice because it's kind of my thing. 545 00:24:57,400 --> 00:24:59,879 Speaker 1: And so far, so good for pretty much everyone on 546 00:24:59,880 --> 00:25:02,920 Speaker 1: that list. They've all maintained their velocity. Maybe a slight 547 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:05,320 Speaker 1: kick down, but nothing concerning it all. 548 00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:08,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's crazy that people can still survive throwing. Oh no, 549 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:11,160 Speaker 4: they're only throwing ninety two, ninety three, ninety four. 550 00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:12,920 Speaker 3: You know, back in my day that was a hell 551 00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:13,679 Speaker 3: of a fastball. 552 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:16,480 Speaker 4: But all of a sudden, if you're not throwing, you know, 553 00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:19,080 Speaker 4: throwing ninety nine or one hundred and one, you know you're. 554 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:19,400 Speaker 3: Not a man. 555 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:23,040 Speaker 4: You don't belong in this league. I had one this 556 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:25,960 Speaker 4: and we have another one last quick, hard hitting question 557 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:27,399 Speaker 4: from the audience here. 558 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:29,440 Speaker 3: Jr. Had this a little while ago. 559 00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:33,600 Speaker 4: Why doesn't this guy's couches match? So we're very interested 560 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:36,320 Speaker 4: because we got the couch set up behind you there. 561 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:42,800 Speaker 1: One's a chair's a chair an they were purchased at 562 00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:45,840 Speaker 1: drastically different times. Anyone who's ordered a couch or a 563 00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:48,879 Speaker 1: chair recently just know that by the time you get it, 564 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:50,080 Speaker 1: you forgot what you ordered. 565 00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:51,080 Speaker 5: That's all I see this. 566 00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:53,439 Speaker 3: Yeah, people don't want to see and one of them 567 00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:54,040 Speaker 3: pull out. 568 00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:56,960 Speaker 5: There's only so many options, guys. I don't know. I 569 00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:58,119 Speaker 5: don't know when comes up here. 570 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:02,960 Speaker 2: Cover the educator not only on your couches mismatching or 571 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:07,000 Speaker 2: your furniture mismatching, but the baseball and pitching. The art 572 00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:09,119 Speaker 2: of pitching is appreciated. Of what we don't want to 573 00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:10,240 Speaker 2: let you go without talking about. 574 00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:10,640 Speaker 7: May Day. 575 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:12,720 Speaker 2: Every Monday, two hours. Tell us what we can learn 576 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:15,280 Speaker 2: by watching you? How do we find you all the things? 577 00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:19,760 Speaker 1: Yes, every Monday, one pm Pacific time, I'm live on 578 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:23,160 Speaker 1: May Day. The first hour is on the Foul Territory 579 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:25,600 Speaker 1: YouTube channel, so you don't got to go anywhere new, 580 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,800 Speaker 1: and the second hour is on my channel, Trevor may 581 00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:31,240 Speaker 1: Baseball that's also on YouTube, or you can watch the 582 00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:35,359 Speaker 1: whole thing via Twitch as well, and we basically do 583 00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:37,720 Speaker 1: what I just did. Find some find a couple subjects, 584 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:40,400 Speaker 1: get some deep dives, do some player breakdowns, some guys 585 00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:42,399 Speaker 1: that are hotter or not so much, and try to 586 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:45,120 Speaker 1: figure out what's going on. And then the second hour 587 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:47,400 Speaker 1: is a whole lot of community stuff. You could ask 588 00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:50,159 Speaker 1: questions in the chat I talked to chat. We do games, 589 00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:52,240 Speaker 1: we do nastiest pitches of the week. We got a 590 00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:55,400 Speaker 1: lot of fun stuff. So it's a really really good 591 00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:58,600 Speaker 1: time with where you get kind of both both the 592 00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:02,200 Speaker 1: scripted deep dives stuff and the community driven kind of 593 00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:04,119 Speaker 1: stream stuff. It's been a good time. 594 00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:04,719 Speaker 5: Awesome. 595 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:07,240 Speaker 4: Well, I appreciate it talking baseball with you here. We both, 596 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:09,919 Speaker 4: I think hopefully everybody appreciate it talking baseball with you. 597 00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:10,120 Speaker 5: Mate. 598 00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:11,160 Speaker 3: Guys, make sure you check out. 599 00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:14,879 Speaker 4: May Day, make sure you go follow Trevor on the socials, 600 00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:17,440 Speaker 4: follow him home. You could ask him about the couches there. 601 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:19,199 Speaker 4: Don't do that, that would be weird. But thank you 602 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:21,520 Speaker 4: for the time Trevor, and we'll hopefully chat again soon. 603 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:23,879 Speaker 5: Of course, thanks for having you guys. 604 00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:26,560 Speaker 3: All right, Lona, let's go ahead and throw the last licks. 605 00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:34,119 Speaker 2: That's good, all right, guys, last licks. We're going to 606 00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:38,040 Speaker 2: introduce you to Becky. This little girl is in Texas actually, 607 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:40,719 Speaker 2: so if you're a Dodger fan in Texas, please spread 608 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:43,399 Speaker 2: the word. She's a seven month old pity mix. She 609 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:46,919 Speaker 2: needs an adopter. This poor little girl was astray and 610 00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:50,800 Speaker 2: unfortunately she got her foot, her front left foot stuck 611 00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:52,680 Speaker 2: in some sort of trap that was set for her, 612 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:55,560 Speaker 2: and unfortunately, when she tried to free herself and escape, 613 00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:57,919 Speaker 2: she mutilated her foot and we had to have her 614 00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:01,040 Speaker 2: leg amputated. But she's doing great, doing really really well. 615 00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:05,879 Speaker 2: Tripods can still have wonderful, full lives. And she is 616 00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:09,960 Speaker 2: awesome and she's sweet and she's kind and she's spade 617 00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:12,520 Speaker 2: and she's vaccinated and she's wonderful. So if you are 618 00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:16,760 Speaker 2: in the Austin, Texas area, please spread her around and 619 00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:19,880 Speaker 2: share her and you can hit me up of course 620 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:21,320 Speaker 2: on social if you need any help. 621 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:24,760 Speaker 3: Listen, we love a good tripod. We love a good tripod. 622 00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:27,920 Speaker 2: Sweetheart. She's a sweetheart, and she's young. If she doesn't, 623 00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:29,840 Speaker 2: I mean honestly, like a few more months and she 624 00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:34,480 Speaker 2: won't know any different, right, Like, So she's great and supported. 625 00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:36,240 Speaker 2: Oh she's so sweet. 626 00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:39,600 Speaker 4: But these are so they're so strong, and that's barely 627 00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:40,440 Speaker 4: going to affect her. 628 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:42,000 Speaker 2: I'm not going to affect her. 629 00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:42,480 Speaker 3: Yeah. 630 00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:45,240 Speaker 4: One of the things that affected us all about ten 631 00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:51,200 Speaker 4: years ago today was the great race between Adrian Gonzales and. 632 00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:55,680 Speaker 3: Our friend David Vasse. Take us through this moment. 633 00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:58,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, this was this was in this was in San 634 00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:03,440 Speaker 2: Diego and look at Vance Lake. So remember when Dave 635 00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:07,760 Speaker 2: Vessey decided that he could race Adrian Gonzalez the then 636 00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:11,080 Speaker 2: first basement of your Los Angeles Dodgers, and Dave was 637 00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:14,240 Speaker 2: wearing like some random shoes from Justin Turner, I think, 638 00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:19,360 Speaker 2: and they basically raced and Vesse got his ass kicked. 639 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:23,440 Speaker 2: I don't even think. I don't even think like Gonzo 640 00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:26,680 Speaker 2: was like even putting that much effort into it. And 641 00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:29,400 Speaker 2: he must have beaten Dave by like twenty thirty yards. 642 00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:31,880 Speaker 2: And I was the MC for that and had I 643 00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:35,160 Speaker 2: can't believe that was ten years ago. But that's that's insanity. 644 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:35,560 Speaker 3: That's wild. 645 00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:38,840 Speaker 4: I I love how quickly dv started pulling up because 646 00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:40,400 Speaker 4: he's like, I'm getting my ass beat here. 647 00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:46,160 Speaker 2: I mean, he's such a punching bag, Dave, but the 648 00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:48,400 Speaker 2: players love him, Like I remember one time, I think 649 00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:51,040 Speaker 2: I said this before. You know, one time in spring 650 00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:54,400 Speaker 2: training when Canley was still here, he picked Vessey up 651 00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:57,080 Speaker 2: one arm and one leg and was just helicopter hanging 652 00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:00,520 Speaker 2: him around the spring training facility a cam and I 653 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:03,320 Speaker 2: was like moving tables and chairs so Dave Vessey's head 654 00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:07,000 Speaker 2: wouldn't smash into the furniture. But yeah, he's a good sport. 655 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:09,800 Speaker 2: But he got his butt kicked by by Adrian Gonzalez. 656 00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:11,480 Speaker 2: So you have it ten years ago on this day. 657 00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:16,239 Speaker 4: That's that's pretty funny. I mean they let him, they 658 00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:18,680 Speaker 4: let him have it. He deserves it too, He deserves 659 00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:20,400 Speaker 4: all the good and the bad with it. We love 660 00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:23,880 Speaker 4: DV But that's about it on this edition of the show. 661 00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:26,280 Speaker 4: If you guys want to find more of me, I 662 00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:29,560 Speaker 4: don't know, Like I think people are just tired about 663 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:31,400 Speaker 4: talking about the Dodgers right now. 664 00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:32,000 Speaker 3: I'm okay. 665 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:36,120 Speaker 4: Given everybody in the evening off, maybe I don't know, 666 00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:38,240 Speaker 4: I might film some content. I got some things going 667 00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:40,360 Speaker 4: on at real flesh job, as I call it, so 668 00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:43,480 Speaker 4: I got to figure that out. But otherwise I would 669 00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:45,880 Speaker 4: just tell people to do this. You should subscribe here 670 00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:49,240 Speaker 4: to our YouTube channel, Dodgers Territory. We are getting close 671 00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:51,200 Speaker 4: to ten thousand subscribers. 672 00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:51,880 Speaker 3: Thank you. 673 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:55,280 Speaker 4: Subscribe to my personal YouTube channel All Dodgers with Clint 674 00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:56,160 Speaker 4: Pasia's It's there. 675 00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:57,600 Speaker 3: It's there, check it out. 676 00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:00,680 Speaker 4: Search for me on the Google machine, find me FRG 677 00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:03,320 Speaker 4: usually have the links. 678 00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:04,960 Speaker 3: And whatnot when I am going live. 679 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:09,440 Speaker 4: But guys, the Dodgers will endure and survive. 680 00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:11,000 Speaker 3: We will be fine, We will be. 681 00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:15,120 Speaker 2: Happy, just just fine. We're gonna be back on Monday. 682 00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:17,000 Speaker 2: Clinton and I will be with the brand new show. 683 00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:19,520 Speaker 2: Have a good weekend. We'll be talking about lots of w's. 684 00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:21,520 Speaker 2: I can feel it, go, Dodgers. 685 00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:23,640 Speaker 3: Skeen's, Yamamoto tomorrow. That's gonna be fine. 686 00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:28,560 Speaker 4: Okay, Bye,