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Speaker 1: A jury of seven Well Nancy, they overwhelmingly cited for

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Speaker 1: him a lot, and they did take, in my view,

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Speaker 1: their thoughts about her lying. They did take the fact

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Speaker 1: and the America is really cool. If you do something

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Speaker 1: wrong as it celebrity and you admit it after a wow,

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Speaker 1: it's okay. But if you don't admit it. It's never okay,

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Speaker 1: and so our fair maiden is just not a fair maiden.

431
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:13,480
Speaker 1: She lost a lot more money than she won. If

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Speaker 1: either of them ever collect, the lawyers will the lawyers

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Speaker 1: have Yeah, yeah, you're right, the lawyers will collect time

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Speaker 1: stories with Nancy Grace. This legal battle also concerns Traveler's

435
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 1: commercial insurance company. Travelers initially sued New York Marine to

436
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:53,280
Speaker 1: get reimbursed for half of what it's spent defending and reharn.

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00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 1: Remember those lawyers sitting with her, many of them were

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Speaker 1: from the insurance company. So Travelers sues New York Marine

439
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 1: to get half of the money it Travelers spent defending

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Speaker 1: Amber heard Herd's homeowners policy that she had with Travelers

441
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 1: covered liabel up to five hundred thousand dollars. New York

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00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 1: Marine liability was for one million dollars. So basically the

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00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 1: gist of that lawsuit was Travelers believing Herd had the

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Speaker 1: right to pick her own lawyers. New York Marine disagreed.

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00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 1: So far a judge has agreed with New York Marine

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Speaker 1: that so far, a judge has agreed with New York

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00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:49,240
Speaker 1: Marine's desire to use local, cheaper lawyers, and you see

448
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:52,160
Speaker 1: that very often when the case goes to litigation you

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Speaker 1: have insurance, the insurance company will find for you a

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Speaker 1: local lawyer that has an expertise and the field in

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00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:03,960
Speaker 1: which you're seeing. So that is not unusual at all.

452
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 1: But wouldn't you know that two millionaires are going back

453
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Speaker 1: to court arguing over money? Take us an our cut

454
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:13,960
Speaker 1: sixty five referend Ron Alan at NBC cheering, yelling and

455
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 1: screaming support for Johnny Depp, as has been the case

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Speaker 1: for the last number of weeks. He had been winning

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Speaker 1: this in the court of public opinion. It seemed obvious

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Speaker 1: online social media and as the verdicts were read, cheering

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Speaker 1: outside the courthouse from a small group of people. Here

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Speaker 1: today we don't have the huge crowd that we've had

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Speaker 1: for the past number of weeks because Depth is not here.

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00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 1: He is in England. He's playing a number of concerts

463
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Speaker 1: and he has just released a statement which I can

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Speaker 1: read to you in part. It says, six years ago,

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Speaker 1: in my life, the life of my children, the lives

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Speaker 1: are those closest to me, and also the lives of

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Speaker 1: the people who for many many years have supported and

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00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 1: believed in me, were forever changed, all the blink of

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Speaker 1: an eye. Then he goes on to say, and six

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Speaker 1: years later, the jury gave me my life back. I

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00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 1: am truly humbled. That is what Depth has always said.

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00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 1: This is about. It wasn't about money, it wasn't about venons.

473
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 1: It was about trying to get his good name and

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Speaker 1: reputation back because he vehemently denied the allegations that he

475
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Speaker 1: was an abuser, that he had committed violent acts against

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Speaker 1: Amber Heard. Okay, while he is happy, his camp is happy,

477
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 1: and he says, the jury has given me my life back.

478
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:28,720
Speaker 1: Just the opposite on the other side of the courtroom.

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Speaker 1: Take a listen to our cut sixty six, our friends

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Speaker 1: at MBC. This is coming from Amber Heard. The disappointment

481
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:37,720
Speaker 1: I feel today is beyond words. I'm heartbroken that the

482
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 1: mountain of evidence still was not enough to stand up

483
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Speaker 1: to the disproportionate power influence in sway of my ex husband.

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00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 1: Heard goes on to write, I'm even more disappointed with

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Speaker 1: what this verdict means for other women. It's a setback.

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Speaker 1: It sets back the clock to a time when a

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Speaker 1: woman who spoke up and spoke out could be publicly

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Speaker 1: shamed and humiliated it sets back the idea that violence

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Speaker 1: against women is to be taken seriously. She goes on

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00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 1: to say, finally, I'm sad I lost this case, but

491
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:05,960
Speaker 1: I'm even sadder still that I seem to have lost

492
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 1: a right I thought I had as an American to

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00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 1: speak freely and openly. Now the statement came to us

494
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 1: just minutes after the verdict came out, so it seemed

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00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 1: to be a prepared statement that amber Heard sent out

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Speaker 1: to the press. To doctor Charles Heller joining us clinical

497
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Speaker 1: forensic psychologists specializing in domestic violence. He's the chief forensic

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Speaker 1: consultant Rockland Counting. Doctor Heller, thank you for being with us. There.

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Speaker 1: You see amber Heard painting the court battle very much

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00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 1: in a David and Goliath style, where she would be

501
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:42,920
Speaker 1: David in her mind and Goliath. Now as far as

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00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 1: their bank ability, their box office numbers, I agree with her,

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00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 1: but I do not believe that it was necessarily Johnny

504
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 1: Dipp's popularity that caused this verdict. I think the jury

505
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 1: caught her in lies and they just lost all respect

506
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:06,719
Speaker 1: or all likability for her. For instance. And I'm not

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00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 1: saying you never hit her. I'm saying she lied about

508
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 1: other matters, and the jury did not believe her, which

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Speaker 1: they are allowed to do under the law. I think

510
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 1: they hit each other. But for instance, all this business

511
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Speaker 1: about donating the seven million dollars divorce settlement to charity

512
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 1: instead of insisting until she was blue in the face

513
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:33,240
Speaker 1: that she did donate it, And then the ACLU comes

514
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 1: up and says, yeah, well no you didn't. Why didn't

515
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 1: she just say, you know what, I had the best intentions.

516
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 1: I donated two or three million dollars, but then I

517
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 1: ran out of money. Then I caught this lawsuit. I

518
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 1: had the best intentions, but no I never finished giving

519
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 1: the money. I gave all I thought that I could.

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Speaker 1: So there, Nancy, what the world has gotten a great

521
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 1: lesson and how to assess false allegations. This is what

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Speaker 1: I do all the time. And there's a certain certain

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Speaker 1: procedure a forensic psychologist has to follow in terms of

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00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 1: assessment of an allegation. You have to look at patterns.

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00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 1: You have to look at any past dishonesty about anything,

526
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Speaker 1: especially the situation. Dear Lord in heaven man, everybody's lied.

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00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 1: That doesn't mean you can't mean her in many lies.

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00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:38,840
Speaker 1: And he was actually honest about a lot of his

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00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:43,320
Speaker 1: deficits and acting out in terms of alcohol and drugs.

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Speaker 1: That's a really nice way to put it. His deficits. Man,

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Speaker 1: he was a raging guy when he would be high

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00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 1: on drugs or alcohol. But again, you're talking about lies

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00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 1: about other things affect credibility. I think that's what you're saying,

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00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:05,320
Speaker 1: doctor Heller. That's what I'm saying. You know, it's it's

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00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 1: not so much public opinion that changed this verdict toward Depth.

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00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:14,439
Speaker 1: It's it's not that the jury liked him more than her.

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00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:19,440
Speaker 1: It's simply the facts. The evidence didn't match up with

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Speaker 1: what she was saying. Johnny right now is a special guest.

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00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 1: Julie Owens victim advocate, domestic violence expert consultant and you

540
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 1: can find her a domestic violence expert dot org. Julie

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Speaker 1: Owens Way in the money, Nancy. It's a devastating decision

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00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 1: and will resilvery for years, I'm sure with a chilling

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00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:49,240
Speaker 1: effect and other domestic planet ystems. There is no doubt

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00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:54,880
Speaker 1: in my name after more than thirty years of working

545
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:59,240
Speaker 1: in similar situations that were in the head. Okay, Johnny

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00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 1: Depth is a tad abuser, Nancy, and he has every

547
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:08,320
Speaker 1: single characteristic of the domestic France offender, whereas she does not.

548
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 1: He's a great actor who's slaying the role of a lifetime.

549
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 1: This is a man who said we're married. Now I

550
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:16,040
Speaker 1: can pinch her in the face and no one can

551
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:19,880
Speaker 1: do anything about it. This is a man who fantasized

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00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:23,239
Speaker 1: about killing her, who told her he's going to win

553
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 1: a reputation, who said she's begging for total humiliation. She's

554
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 1: gonna get it. I have no mercy, no fear, unhappy,

555
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:35,920
Speaker 1: she wants to fight this out. No victims says those things.

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00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:40,440
Speaker 1: You know, I'm thinking through everything you're saying. There's no

557
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:45,839
Speaker 1: question that we have to take witnesses and victims as

558
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:52,279
Speaker 1: we find them. You can't change a victim's personality. I

559
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:55,080
Speaker 1: will never forget Julio's in one of the first case

560
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 1: I tried, not the first, but one of the first.

561
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:01,840
Speaker 1: I got a case that none of the and you

562
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 1: know how it goes, Daryl Cohen. When you first go

563
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 1: to the district attorney's office, you're what they call a mule, okay,

564
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 1: and you are sent to all the courtrooms and you

565
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 1: basically or handed the cases that the permanently assigned the

566
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 1: veteran trial lawyers don't want to try princess. My first

567
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 1: trial was a shoplifting from a kmart where the guy

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00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 1: didn't take anything, and you'll remember Harvey Moskowitz, our friend,

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00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 1: great trial lawyer, gave me the case to try and

570
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:35,760
Speaker 1: then immediately went out of town with Arla, his wife.

571
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:37,719
Speaker 1: I was thrilled to try a case, but then I

572
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 1: realized the guy got a CD player. He cut it

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00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 1: off the display, stuck it down his pants, put it

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Speaker 1: in a rug, got all the way to the front

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00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:50,399
Speaker 1: door of the kmart, and then left it in the rug. Well.

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00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:54,719
Speaker 1: They the deputy dog security guys at kmart threw him

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00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:57,360
Speaker 1: on the asphalt and yanked him back in and arrested

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00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:00,839
Speaker 1: him for shoplifting. He didn't have anything on he left

579
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:03,399
Speaker 1: it in the store. I had to try the case

580
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 1: and I got a conviction Darryl on attempted shoplifting. So

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00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 1: in the next case I had Darryll, I had a

582
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 1: woman that was arm robbed with a knife. What I

583
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:20,759
Speaker 1: really didn't want the jury to find out was she

584
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 1: was a stripper and she was coming out of a

585
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 1: strip club at like four am, dressed as a cheerleader

586
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 1: and a guy pulled a knife and took all her tips. Well,

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00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:31,400
Speaker 1: I thought they wouldn't like her if they found out

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00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:34,439
Speaker 1: she was a stripper. So I got her up there

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00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 1: and I said, you know, how long have you lived

590
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:39,280
Speaker 1: in Atlanta? You know where did you go to school?

591
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 1: Where do you go to church? Blah blah blah. I

592
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 1: looked over at the jury and they were like, mmmmm,

593
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 1: there's no way to change a witness or a victim.

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00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:52,879
Speaker 1: Darryl Cohen, you gotta go with what you got. And

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00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 1: what Julie is alluding to is no victim, no witness

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00:38:57,239 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 1: is perfect. So what you're never gonna find for them

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00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 1: because they're not perfect? Sare are you there? I am

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00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:06,759
Speaker 1: here and I'm listening to everything, and I think, very honestly,

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00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:11,799
Speaker 1: the problem was, again, you talk about her lives. I agree,

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00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 1: I talk about her likability. Hopefully other people agree. Unfortunately,

601
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:20,759
Speaker 1: her likability didn't exist if she had a lack of it.

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00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:23,839
Speaker 1: And when she had her hair a certain way in

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00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:27,359
Speaker 1: the courtroom, when she had her makeup a certain way

604
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 1: in the courtroom in the beginning, it wasn't working. And Nancy,

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00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:37,240
Speaker 1: you only have one chair. I hope you're not boiling

606
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:41,760
Speaker 1: this down to her hair and makeup because you're boiling

607
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 1: the courtroom. That is not what happened. This is what happened.

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00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 1: What about Kate Moss. Listen, we were leaving the room

609
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 1: and Johnny left the room before I did, and they

610
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:58,399
Speaker 1: had been at rainstore. And as I left the room,

611
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:02,360
Speaker 1: I slid down the stair and I hurt my back.

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00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:09,320
Speaker 1: How did you and I apologize, Miss Moss? Please continue?

613
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:14,280
Speaker 1: And I screamed because I was in because I didn't

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00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:15,959
Speaker 1: know what had happened to me, and I was in pain.

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00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:22,440
Speaker 1: And he came running back to help me and carried

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00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:28,439
Speaker 1: me to my room and got me medical attention. Did

617
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 1: mister Depp push you in any way down the stairs. No?

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00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:36,960
Speaker 1: During the course of your relationship, did he ever push

619
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Speaker 1: you down any stairs? No, he never pushed me, kicked me,

620
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:47,840
Speaker 1: or throw me down any stairs. The Johnny Depp team

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00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:52,400
Speaker 1: could not bring in Kate Moss unless and until Amber

622
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:55,840
Speaker 1: heard side brought her up at that moment like a vampire.

623
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:59,400
Speaker 1: Then once you're invited, you can bring in the evidence.

624
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 1: And they did it, and it was toward the end

625
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 1: of the trials. One of the last things echoing and

626
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:09,240
Speaker 1: the juries the jurard's ears and they hear. Yet another

627
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:14,239
Speaker 1: claim made by amber Heard was false. I think that

628
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 1: had a great deal to do with her undoing lies

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00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 1: about Kate Moss being beaten by Johnny Depp. That's not true.

630
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:29,759
Speaker 1: The charity, the poop on the bed, I mean, it

631
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:32,359
Speaker 1: just goes on and on and on. That doesn't mean

632
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:35,920
Speaker 1: she was never struck, but it doesn't mean she lied.

633
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:40,880
Speaker 1: Since the trial, Amber Heard has been spotted all around

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00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 1: the world. First of all, she was spotted at a

635
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 1: Spanish getaway. Now, despite facing a massive multimillion dollar legal

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00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 1: bills she says she cannot afford, she appeared carefree with

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Speaker 1: her daughter on a Spain getaway, specifically Homa Day, Majorca.

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Speaker 1: It's an incredibly beautiful resort city on the Mediterranean, with

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Speaker 1: at a local park. That's where the paparazzi found her.

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Speaker 1: But she hasn't just been in Spain post trial. She

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Speaker 1: was also spotted in London in a wine store. She

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Speaker 1: is vowing to focus on motherhood full time. So while

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Speaker 1: Amberhard is jet setting from the US to Spain, from

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Speaker 1: Spain to London. She's got the lawyers busy at work,

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Speaker 1: as does Johnny Depp, both of them not going down

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Speaker 1: without a fight. Nancy Grace Crime Story is signing off

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Speaker 1: Goodbye friend,