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Speaker 3: Radio, and welcome yet another chilly day here in Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 1: The drive.

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Speaker 1: Yep, yep, it's chili. Walking to the car to the.

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Speaker 3: Walk from the it's like every day. It takes my

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Speaker 3: of my acron days.

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Speaker 1: It was. That's how where the football facility was. And

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Speaker 3: Little bit of being at pitt Johnstown when yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: yeah there was snow up there too, right but absolutely, but.

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Speaker 1: No, it's chill.

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Speaker 3: H He's Matt Williamson, I am Dale Lolly. You're listening

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Speaker 3: to the Drive here on Steelers Audio Network, and uh

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Speaker 3: well it is a Mike Tomlin Tuesday today. And he

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Speaker 3: didn't have a lot to say, because of course they

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Speaker 3: just played the Browns two weeks ago.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a hard game to preview too. It's kind

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Speaker 1: like we just did this, Yeah, just everything.

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Speaker 3: I just run everything back from we did two weeks ago.

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Speaker 3: But they did play last night. They did play last night.

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Speaker 3: The Browns live quite the game forty one two h

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Speaker 3: Jamis Winston throwing for four hundred and ninety seven yards

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Speaker 3: and six touchdowns, yes, four to his team and two

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Speaker 3: for two thirty five and a touchdown. They essentially, they

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Speaker 3: being the Browns, could throw the ball deep whenever they

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Speaker 3: wanted to, because well, now we understand why the Steelers

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Speaker 3: made a a little move in the offseason.

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Speaker 1: Woh, a cornerback, I mean, Levi Wallace has overachieved his

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Speaker 3: And he's basically a zone cornerback. Yeah, and you can't

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Speaker 3: ask him to play man to man against you know,

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Speaker 3: Jerry Judy and Elijah Moore or Michael Woods or anybody

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Speaker 3: of them. They would just run past him and Jamis

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Speaker 1: And that long Judy touchdown. He's just standing there flat

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Speaker 1: think you're going to catch up to him, you know,

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Speaker 1: starting from a dead stop. And I don't know if

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Speaker 1: but there was about twenty routes where Certain was on Judy.

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Speaker 1: He did nothing. Yeah, you know, he did nothing, you know,

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Speaker 1: but they could throw anywhere else but Certain's neck of

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Speaker 1: the woods last night, you know, I mean with a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I mean Wallace isn't their normal starter. No,

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Speaker 3: they had an injury there with with Moss the kid.

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Speaker 1: Out of it. But I love yeah, yeah, who's a good,

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Speaker 3: And in fact, they even put in Chris Abrams drain

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Speaker 1: Anybody but Wallace, Yeah, just and it was better. It

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Speaker 1: the least. And it's not a bad group of receivers.

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Speaker 1: We've seen that team just two weeks ago.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so you know, they could avoid certain whatever they wanted,

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Speaker 3: and I don't expect that similar a similar kind of

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Speaker 1: I'd be shocked. I mean, I think they'll throw a lot,

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Speaker 1: and certainly some picks and some downfield throwing, no question,

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Speaker 3: But the Browns, to your point, threw the ball fifty

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Speaker 1: Football, No, they've kind of just scrapped it this is

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Speaker 1: then this game, their defense wasn't great to say the

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Speaker 1: One there was something going on with him. Ward also

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Speaker 3: that stuff. But no, sacks for Miles Garrett. No, he

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Speaker 3: was pretty quiet, pretty quiet in that game, so nobody

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Speaker 1: After the game, well, he was in and out of

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Speaker 3: But they're now three and nine. They are they're not

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Speaker 3: officially eliminated, but they're eliminated.

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Speaker 1: They're darn close. They're eliminated. I mean, that's another AFC loss. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and it put the Broncos at eight and five, which.

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Speaker 1: They're going to playoffs. They're probably going to the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: There's probably need two more wins to assure a playoffs.

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Speaker 3: Two wins would clinch it. One more and you're probably,

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Speaker 3: you know, good shots. Yeah, you still got a good

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, to Denver. I mean it was a couple

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Speaker 3: You know, I'm watching the pregame stuff and they're talking

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Speaker 3: Sean Payton stole de von Vley in the seventh round

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Speaker 1: To do with that. See I did. I mean I

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Speaker 1: I don't think Tomlin could handle his marbles.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, just it wasn't gonna work. He's a fun player, Oh,

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Speaker 3: there's no doubt. There's entertainment value is off the charge,

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Speaker 1: And he's grinning the whole time and having a blast.

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Speaker 3: Throws the ball one hundred miles an hour every yeah,

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Speaker 1: At my son, who's eighteen, and you know, we were

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Speaker 1: watching the game and at halftime he's like, do you

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Speaker 1: know the Lasik story with Winston. I'm like, yeah, it's insane,

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Speaker 1: and he's like I just heard this. He's like like

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Speaker 1: I couldn't really see downfield that well, Like, what do

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Speaker 1: you mean you couldn't see You're the first overall pick.

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Speaker 3: That would have driven Tomlin nuts and nuts. Yeah you

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Speaker 3: think he's their starter on opening day next year? I

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Speaker 3: think I think he's somebody else's starter, because we know,

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Speaker 3: we've talked about any options. We talked about this a lot.

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Speaker 3: Though they don't have any money.

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Speaker 1: How many money. I don't know what he's gonna make, Like,

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Speaker 3: I think Gardner Minshew got a starting right like two years.

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Speaker 3: It was like twenty five million dollars for two years.

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Speaker 1: Over two years. Yeah, that's what I'm kind of thinking,

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Speaker 1: like a Winston Fields type contract.

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Speaker 3: He's a better player than Gardner Minshew.

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Speaker 1: I think so, but his lows are brutal, right, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: Spots, there's spots where he could go. And I just

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Speaker 3: don't think it'll be Watson.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so but that's what they make you that you

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Speaker 3: So you playoff field in the AFC right now is

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Speaker 1: Have they played twice yet? I don't. I don't know,

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Speaker 3: really good for a corner. Even better when you consider

435
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Speaker 3: that more often than not he has matched up one

436
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Speaker 3: on one with the opposing team's top wide receiver.

437
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Speaker 1: As I say, his job is as hard as any

438
00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:38,639
Speaker 1: corners in the league. You know. Yeah, they play a

439
00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:40,639
Speaker 1: lot of Cover three, which is zone, but that doesn't

440
00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:42,960
Speaker 1: mean he doesn't still align over the best guy or

441
00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:46,120
Speaker 1: zone quickly turns into man. He still plays a lot

442
00:19:46,119 --> 00:19:48,920
Speaker 1: of press. It's always against one of the top dudes.

443
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Speaker 1: Even if it's Higgins alone. The other two are on

444
00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:54,000
Speaker 1: you know, they're double and Chase or whatever. It's never

445
00:19:54,040 --> 00:19:58,640
Speaker 1: on Joe Blow receiver. We've talked about this a lot.

446
00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:02,000
Speaker 1: Man demand corners get penalties in this league, you know,

447
00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:05,720
Speaker 1: and guys that are going against feature receivers get penalties.

448
00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:08,720
Speaker 1: He's taking too many, there's no question. And this last

449
00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:12,480
Speaker 1: game was off the charts. But don't think they're gonna

450
00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:15,280
Speaker 1: go away, folks. You know like this is I mean,

451
00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:19,119
Speaker 1: this is a common thing with guys that get his responsibility.

452
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Speaker 1: And what I found interesting is you said what he

453
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Speaker 1: did at eighty two passer rating when thrown at So

454
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Speaker 1: that's different than a quarter that's not apples to apples

455
00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:32,119
Speaker 1: to a quarterback having an eighty two. Right, because the

456
00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:35,800
Speaker 1: quarterback decided to throw at you, it should be even

457
00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:40,840
Speaker 1: higher because you're the guys, right, I think he's open anyways, Right,

458
00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:43,280
Speaker 1: I mean a throwaway doesn't count against you, a sack

459
00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:47,000
Speaker 1: and things that hurt at quarterbacks numbers. If they're attacking you,

460
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Speaker 1: there's a reason, you know, so the success rate should

461
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Speaker 1: be higher.

462
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Speaker 3: And when you're drawing the opposing team's best wide receiver,

463
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Speaker 3: you're going to see more passes thrown your way just

464
00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:02,680
Speaker 3: because these teams want to feed their top receivers.

465
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Speaker 1: That's what I say they I mean, you're going to

466
00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:07,040
Speaker 1: scheme up your best guy. I mean, this league is

467
00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:09,879
Speaker 1: about how can a huge job the offensive coordinator And

468
00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:11,840
Speaker 1: I think it goes out saying but sometimes you got

469
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Speaker 1: a reiterator is how can I get the ball in

470
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Speaker 1: the best player's hands, and it's not as easy as

471
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Speaker 1: you think. It's not flag football with my seven year old,

472
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Speaker 1: you know, twelve years ago, where you just pitch it

473
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Speaker 1: to Johnny who's the fastest dude. Everybody knows where the

474
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Speaker 1: ball's going. How can I divise ways to do it? Yeah, well,

475
00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:34,159
Speaker 1: no doubt. Here are some of the other more highly

476
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Speaker 1: penalized cornerbacks in the league.

477
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Speaker 3: J C.

478
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Speaker 1: Horn, okay, good young player, Patrick Certain, Yeah, I bet

479
00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:42,680
Speaker 1: certain's high. I think he had a couple against Pickens.

480
00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:47,600
Speaker 1: Marlon Humphrey okay, Trent McDuffie, Yeah. McDuffie doesn't always follow,

481
00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:50,600
Speaker 1: but does a lot of outside stuff now too, Sauce Gardner.

482
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Speaker 3: I mean, these are the guys that are considered the

483
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Speaker 3: top cornerbacks in the league.

484
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Speaker 1: So if you're but Jerry Sneid was ahead of Porter

485
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Speaker 1: last year, he was to have more penalties than him,

486
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Speaker 1: and he was at like the best cornerback you know,

487
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Speaker 1: season in the league.

488
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Speaker 3: So I'm not gonna lose sleep over this that. Oh

489
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Speaker 3: you know, he's having a bad season and Pro Football Focus.

490
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Speaker 3: Pro Football Focus has him as like the number one

491
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Speaker 3: hundred and seven cornerback. Oh really, I haven't all the

492
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Speaker 3: Bengals cornerbacks are ahead of him?

493
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the come on badly swappy one for

494
00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:23,880
Speaker 1: one anytime you won.

495
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Speaker 3: Yeah, this is one of my many problems with the

496
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Speaker 3: Pro Football Focus grading system. Yeah, you're gonna tell me that,

497
00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:32,880
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna pick Mike Kilton is having a better

498
00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:34,680
Speaker 3: season than Joey Porter Junior. And I'm gonna tell you

499
00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:36,560
Speaker 3: you're full of who is even close.

500
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Speaker 1: Yeah. The assignments are way different. The talent's way different.

501
00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:43,600
Speaker 1: Not apples to apples. This kind of reminds me of

502
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Speaker 1: this penalty conversation. Kind of reminds me like when you

503
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Speaker 1: flip this to the other side of the ball. With

504
00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:52,399
Speaker 1: receiver drops, Yeah, well, the guys that like lead the

505
00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:54,520
Speaker 1: league in like if you look at the Brady era,

506
00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:57,000
Speaker 1: Welker and Edelman like led the league in drops almost

507
00:22:57,080 --> 00:23:00,840
Speaker 1: every year because they're catching the ball amongst linebackers trying

508
00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:03,200
Speaker 1: to take their head off. They're getting targeted eight thousand

509
00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:06,159
Speaker 1: times because they're good. If you look at whoever like

510
00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:08,480
Speaker 1: leads the league and drops, it's usually one of the

511
00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:10,840
Speaker 1: best receivers in the league. It was like, and it's

512
00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:13,480
Speaker 1: usually somebody goes over the middle a lot exactly. I

513
00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:15,400
Speaker 1: mean it's a little more dangerous over there too. It's

514
00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:16,040
Speaker 1: more dangerous.

515
00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:19,320
Speaker 3: Do you see the ball coming out before it's past

516
00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:21,560
Speaker 3: the line of scrimmage? Just maybe maybe you're getting blocked

517
00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:23,240
Speaker 3: by an offensive lineman and oh there's the ball.

518
00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:26,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, little things like Barren Edelman didn't have a

519
00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:27,720
Speaker 1: lot of time to react to the football.

520
00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:29,080
Speaker 3: You're not even out of your break yet. And the

521
00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:31,399
Speaker 3: balls there right there it is six yard round or

522
00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:35,360
Speaker 3: whatever too. Yeah, you know, so it's not necessarily indictment.

523
00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:37,959
Speaker 3: I remember Amari Cooper was one year. I think Evans

524
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:39,720
Speaker 3: was one year, Diggs was one year when they were

525
00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:41,560
Speaker 3: all in their prime. You know, Yeah, because you get

526
00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:44,280
Speaker 3: thrown ball a lot, you're gonna drop it. But it

527
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Speaker 3: also that and watching Levi Wallace's struggles last night. Yeah, yeah,

528
00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:54,280
Speaker 3: that's why you made the trade that you did with Carolina. Absolutely,

529
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Speaker 3: they really wanted Dante Jackson. They liked Dante Jackson, they'd

530
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Speaker 3: liked him for a while, and they wanted to a

531
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Speaker 3: wire him to have two solid corners.

532
00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:06,840
Speaker 1: Yes, and it didn't exactly work out, but I very

533
00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:09,960
Speaker 1: much believe, and I said this for weeks after the trade,

534
00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:13,840
Speaker 1: if we need a receiver and a corner. I don't

535
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Speaker 1: want to shop in the corner aisle corner.

536
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Speaker 3: The corner market was not a good place to be shot.

537
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Speaker 1: I mean, everyone's making a little more than they should

538
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Speaker 1: at their age, and the free agent market.

539
00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:25,159
Speaker 3: Guys like Eli Apple or all over the league. I

540
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Speaker 3: saw him in a game last week this weekend. I'm

541
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Speaker 3: like he was still in the league.

542
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Speaker 1: For that, but there was like a woozy a and

543
00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:34,639
Speaker 1: guys like that make him more than you know that

544
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Speaker 1: you want to pay on the open market, and rookie

545
00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:40,760
Speaker 1: corners get picked on no doubt, and so you want

546
00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:43,679
Speaker 1: to you know he's I didn't and it.

547
00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:49,159
Speaker 3: The Steelers didn't know that Roman Wilson was going to

548
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Speaker 3: get hurt.

549
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Speaker 1: Sure, sure, and they obviously had talks even before the

550
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:56,720
Speaker 1: draft with many teams many right things just didn't happen.

551
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Speaker 3: You know, if Roman Wilson was part of the equation

552
00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:03,679
Speaker 3: right now and was playing, well, who knows.

553
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Speaker 1: What he I mean, it would be a benefit. I mean,

554
00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:07,040
Speaker 1: who knows how much he would help he or whatever,

555
00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:09,440
Speaker 1: But he's gonna be in the mix going forward. Yeah,

556
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:11,560
Speaker 1: now I keep getting asked about that.

557
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Speaker 3: Well, you know what's going on with Rome and Wilson like,

558
00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:15,280
Speaker 3: well nothing really, he's on IR.

559
00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:18,080
Speaker 1: Right now, and I don't think he plays this year, right,

560
00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:21,480
Speaker 1: I don't think he does either. Yeah, basically red shirt

561
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:23,800
Speaker 1: ear for him, which is unfortunate. I mean, you only

562
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:26,160
Speaker 1: get four in the rookie contract and one's already gone,

563
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:28,160
Speaker 1: you know, but that's how those league works.

564
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:31,000
Speaker 3: That was a situation with Calvin Austin coming out of

565
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Speaker 3: his rookie year, and.

566
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Speaker 1: It's also true of your first round pick.

567
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Speaker 3: Calvin Austin looks like, oh yeah, nice complimentary player for Yeah, he's.

568
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Speaker 1: Going to have a good NFL career. Yeah. He seems

569
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Speaker 1: to getting better and better too.

570
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Speaker 3: I mean he's never going to be a star, you know,

571
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Speaker 3: because he is what he is. He's one hundred and

572
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Speaker 3: sixty two pounds.

573
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and he took some shots to guy hit a

574
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Speaker 1: little bigger.

575
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:54,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, but he does some things that make you a

576
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Speaker 3: more dangerous team. He's still for the team leading touchdowns.

577
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Speaker 1: And he's not just a little guy run fast only.

578
00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:01,399
Speaker 1: I mean he's a much more developer outrunner. He can

579
00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:04,240
Speaker 1: play inside, he can play out. Had a good conversation

580
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:09,440
Speaker 1: on my podcast today about Judy and Matt Harmon who's

581
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:14,080
Speaker 1: a receiver expert was always harping on this, and people don't.

582
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:17,320
Speaker 1: People look at receivers and think a wide receiver is

583
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Speaker 1: a wide receiver playing the slot is a power slot

584
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:24,680
Speaker 1: versus Welker kind of slot first, an outside guy and

585
00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:28,119
Speaker 1: X versus Z. It's almost like asking a center to

586
00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:30,560
Speaker 1: play left tackle. Yeah, you know, And in Denver that's

587
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:32,320
Speaker 1: what they were doing with Judy. He played a lot

588
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:35,320
Speaker 1: of slot, but he's not a real good contested catch

589
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:37,840
Speaker 1: type guy. And then they'd play him at X where

590
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:40,080
Speaker 1: he lined up on the line of scrimmage and the

591
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:42,240
Speaker 1: certains of the world just beat him up, you know,

592
00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:44,640
Speaker 1: And he still isn't good at that. But if he's

593
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:46,920
Speaker 1: the Z and he's moving behind the line of scrimmage

594
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:49,920
Speaker 1: and he's a motion guy, he's dangerous, you know. Like,

595
00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:53,520
Speaker 1: not all receivers can do all receiver positions. There are

596
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:56,600
Speaker 1: receiver positions for a reason. Yeah, Oh, there's no data.

597
00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:58,560
Speaker 1: They can do a few things, I guess, it's my point.

598
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:00,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, but he's not just a slot or you know,

599
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:04,040
Speaker 3: but with this particular line, I mean, he can move

600
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:05,720
Speaker 3: inside and outside and they do that with them, and

601
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 3: then they kind of do get interchangeable with some.

602
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:08,440
Speaker 1: Of those guys.

603
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:11,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, which is kind of the beauty of what

604
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 3: they what they have there.

605
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:13,879
Speaker 1: I mean, he's not going to line up as the

606
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:16,240
Speaker 1: X on the line of scrimmage against certained for sixty

607
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:18,679
Speaker 1: snaps and win a lot that he doesn't have to.

608
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:20,960
Speaker 1: Not many people do, right, right, that's the Pickens job.

609
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:23,920
Speaker 1: That's why that's the big dog job. Yeah.

610
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 3: But I just think that the you know, when you

611
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:29,680
Speaker 3: start looking at the Steelers roster build and what they

612
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 3: have now, Yeah, they've had some offensive line injuries that

613
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:37,800
Speaker 3: you know, we'll see how this continues to play out here.

614
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:39,919
Speaker 3: Maybe they get Troy Filetanu back.

615
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 1: At some point. Yah.

616
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Speaker 3: I guess that's still possible. It's a possibility, especially I

617
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:45,639
Speaker 3: have a deep playoff run or who knows, you know what,

618
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:48,600
Speaker 3: you get alex Higsmith back this week. You got all

619
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 3: four of those outside linebackers that you can do some

620
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 3: stuff with.

621
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Speaker 1: You've got last segment, I brought up Adams too, like

622
00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 1: you may have the entire defront like you want it. Yeah,

623
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Speaker 1: I like this late in the season in the season

624
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:04,160
Speaker 1: is pretty rare. Yeah, I mean even without him, you're

625
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 1: pretty stacked. Yeah, no doubt front.

626
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:09,680
Speaker 3: I mean the injury stuff that they were having early

627
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:12,239
Speaker 3: in the season, it's kind of gone away a little bit.

628
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:14,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, and hopefully it doesn't. It doesn't could strike at

629
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,600
Speaker 1: any minute of Every team deals with that stuff. But

630
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 1: it's nice that Trice and Adams and maybe Futanu and

631
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:24,399
Speaker 1: you know are looming at least you know that some

632
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:27,240
Speaker 1: guys coming back. Yeah, you got Sutting back from suspension.

633
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:28,159
Speaker 1: He looks a little better now.

634
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 3: And that are early and even some of those guys

635
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:33,479
Speaker 3: that went on I are early in the season. You

636
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:35,080
Speaker 3: know you've gotten back.

637
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:37,879
Speaker 1: I mean there's the James Daniels of the world that

638
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 1: you don't have anymore. Yeah, everyone team has those guys.

639
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:42,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, the offensive line is really the only place on

640
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:45,040
Speaker 3: the team where they're dealing with those injuries that have

641
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 3: been long term type things that they're not going to

642
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 3: get a lot of those guys back.

643
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 1: No, I mean we mentioned the first round pick, but

644
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:54,200
Speaker 1: like Herbig and Daniels, I mean those are good players. Yeah.

645
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 1: On the other line, you know you just didn't have.

646
00:28:56,440 --> 00:29:00,160
Speaker 3: But you know, so the depth on this team, this

647
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:03,560
Speaker 3: is when it starts to show in December. Yeah, when

648
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:05,480
Speaker 3: you start to put you know, you look at that

649
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 3: Cincinnati team that they just played. Yeah, they're missing guys

650
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:09,600
Speaker 3: left and right.

651
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 1: And it's glaring holes. Yeah, and the damn is breaking.

652
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:14,160
Speaker 1: I mean there's holes in the boat. You know, there's

653
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 1: no doubt. Unlike last year though, it's a lot of

654
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 1: the rookies got hurt, you know, So it's not like

655
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:22,800
Speaker 1: a lot of the rookies are starting to get their

656
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 1: feet under them. The Fraser's and mccormicks are look like

657
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:29,040
Speaker 1: they fit in from the start, especially Fraser, you know.

658
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:30,720
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not like they're not getting It's not

659
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:33,240
Speaker 1: like it's a bad rookie class at all. But you

660
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 1: might look next year and be like, man, but Hanu

661
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 1: and Wilson are really contributing here too, you know. And

662
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 1: in addition to Peyton Wilson and some of the other

663
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 1: guys are you know, in the rookiel you have to

664
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 1: be very like when you say Wilson with this team. Now,

665
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 1: I realized that as I came to.

666
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 3: Designate here, which Wilson you're talking.

667
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:51,800
Speaker 1: To, Just say the rookie Wilson. There's two of those two.

668
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, But guys like Peyton Wilson are getting plenty

669
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 3: of yeah, solid playing time.

670
00:29:57,800 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 1: You know, I'll be interested to see what they do. Now,

671
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 1: if you lost Roberts or Queen, that's not great, but

672
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 1: you'd survive, yeah, I know, much better than you did.

673
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 1: Last year was a disaster. Yeah.

674
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:12,240
Speaker 3: And and so you know, in a lot of these situations,

675
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 3: I mean you start looking at their depth chart and

676
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 3: it's like.

677
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 1: They got dudes everywhere. It was about this time last

678
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 1: year when they were pulling and linebackers.

679
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:25,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, Eric Rowe was a relevation, revelation, and now you

680
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:27,840
Speaker 3: know he's on the practice squad right now. Resigned him

681
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 3: a couple of weeks ago to the practice squad and

682
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:32,200
Speaker 3: seven eight of them just in case of rainy day.

683
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, and they've done a nice job churning the

684
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 1: bottom of the roster too. I gotta give Omar and

685
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 1: people credit. I mean Edmunds and Scornic and Pierre. I mean, guys,

686
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:46,240
Speaker 1: you didn't break camp with that. Are know exactly what

687
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:48,720
Speaker 1: you're getting from? Yeah, that's valuable. Man. Chronic's a dude.

688
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 1: Chronics a dude. Yeah. I think he needs to play.

689
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:57,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, he just does goods, the dirty work, the dirty work.

690
00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 1: He's tough, he's physical. Special Teams contributions are rate. He

691
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 1: is a slot, but blocking from that positions.

692
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:06,560
Speaker 3: He is a big slot. He is a power slot.

693
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:09,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, And him and Austin couldn't be any more different.

694
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 3: Nor you stand next to ben' skronick and you're like

695
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 3: pretty big rip up, pretty big wide receiver.

696
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 1: Yeah. And that Ram background. I mean they use Cup

697
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 1: and the Kua like fullbacks at times. I mean they'll

698
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 1: wayhm on defensive ends, you know, like those guys are

699
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 1: not afraid to throw their body around and block in

700
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 1: any way. He's as good as them, but he has

701
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 1: the same mold. He's the same archetype.

702
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 3: Let's talk real quick about what Arthur Smith has been

703
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 3: doing here, because.

704
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 1: I thought, by the way, this might blow people away.

705
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 1: But some of these national podcasts I listened to, who

706
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:48,720
Speaker 1: are some of the coaching candidates Arthur Smith might be ready?

707
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 1: Yeah right here, Like are you crazy? What are you

708
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 1: talking about? He runs the ball like he's doing a

709
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 1: really good job. Guys.

710
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 3: They threw the ball twenty seven times in the first half.

711
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:57,520
Speaker 3: Yeah against the Bengals.

712
00:31:57,520 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 1: They ran at nine.

713
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 3: They played that games absolutely. They threw to run late early,

714
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 3: to run late, and it worked. They wore the Bengals down.

715
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, do you think there might be more of that?

716
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:11,959
Speaker 1: I mean, like even this week, I think they're very

717
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 1: comfortable with it. Yeah, you know, if you're gonna load

718
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 1: the ball, I mean a lot of it's just Wilson.

719
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 1: I'm sure at the line of scrimmage too. You know,

720
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 1: he probably has a run and a pass.

721
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 3: He's now got six games under his belt. They feel

722
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 3: a little more comfortable. He Okay, we know what Russ

723
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 3: is going to do in the offense here. They have

724
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 3: a pretty good rapport between Hill Smith and Okay. They

725
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 3: had their meeting every Friday night to decide what they're

726
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 3: going to run and you know what plays are going

727
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 3: to work, and these are part of the discussions. Okay,

728
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:40,400
Speaker 3: if they give us this look, then we're gonna check

729
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 3: to this and yeah. Yeah, stuff like that that you know,

730
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 3: I just don't know that you've been able to do

731
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 3: the last couple of years.

732
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 1: So back to Smith, I mean, it's one of the

733
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 1: hardest jobs out there in terms of the critiques you're

734
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 1: gonna get from fans and even media people.

735
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 3: I have yet defied a great play call an offensive

736
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 3: coordinator in WSURG who has been beloved exactly. There's no

737
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:06,480
Speaker 3: Dick Lebow, the offensive coordinators, they're right right.

738
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 1: I mean the play could how could you call that

739
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 1: on third and one?

740
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 3: Because if it doesn't work, why do you Why didn't

741
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 3: you throw the ball?

742
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 1: And a high percentage of offensive players don't work, you know,

743
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 1: And if.

744
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 3: You pass on third and one, why didn't you run

745
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 3: the ball exactly? Third and two or third and three exactly?

746
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 1: And hey, I can nitpick what he does too, but

747
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 1: I don't know that he has the most talented group

748
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 1: of skill guys or line in the league right now.

749
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:31,959
Speaker 1: I mean far from it. And I think that unlike

750
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:35,239
Speaker 1: the previous years, I think you're getting more out of

751
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 1: your talent than the other way around, you know what

752
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 1: I mean. I mean, if here's a bunch of fives

753
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 1: and sixes, that's not saying them that this team is.

754
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 1: They're better than that. You're getting six and seven production

755
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 1: out of them, you know, that's something we said.

756
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 3: I mean, if you if you look at the overall

757
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 3: offensive numbers, I mean, they're clearly middle of the pack

758
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 3: in many of these numbers, you know, offensive yards per game,

759
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 3: they're or right behind the Vikings, right ahead of the Chiefs.

760
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 1: Yeah. Playoff teams, playoff teams.

761
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:10,480
Speaker 3: If you look at the points per game, well, now

762
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:13,719
Speaker 3: they're at twenty four point seven, right behind the Vikings,

763
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:14,480
Speaker 3: right ahead.

764
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 1: Of the Chiefs.

765
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 3: Remember that company they played those first six games that

766
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 3: they played this season. We're very close to the vest.

767
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 1: I would say. And if you just extrapolated from when

768
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 1: Wilson became the.

769
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 3: Start, it's about twenty eight points a game.

770
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Speaker 1: I mean, everyone knows. I do like this stat pack,

771
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 1: and for this upcoming game, I don't really care about

772
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 1: the year long trends nearly as much as when most

773
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 1: of these games were and when Winston took over, because

774
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:42,840
Speaker 1: it's a lot different. I mean they're noticeable quarterback changes

775
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:45,920
Speaker 1: and upgrades. Yeah, for both teams. Yeah, really it is.

776
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 3: And I will say this, so the Browns game last

777
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 3: night was the first time on the road that Winston

778
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 3: has gone out and produced a game like that.

779
00:34:57,560 --> 00:34:58,920
Speaker 1: Oh really, the other games that.

780
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 3: The other twenty point game that he had or more

781
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:05,399
Speaker 3: than twenty point games because they had none with Watson, Oh,

782
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 3: their numbers pre win Center so bad they were. Those

783
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:09,800
Speaker 3: were all at home though, the games when he scored

784
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:14,239
Speaker 3: twenty four or more. The games on the road he had,

785
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:18,239
Speaker 3: you know, fourteen and ten, and then last night was

786
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:22,319
Speaker 3: the big one again. Yeah, Levi Wallace, Oh yeah, yeah,

787
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 3: I mean that was steeling issues, right, But now I

788
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:29,319
Speaker 3: think Arthur Smith has done an outstanding job. You know,

789
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:33,360
Speaker 3: three hundred and forty four yards per game, the passing

790
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:35,320
Speaker 3: games now to two hundred and basically two hundred and

791
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:38,359
Speaker 3: eleven yards passing per game. If you remember when they

792
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:41,439
Speaker 3: made the switch, I think fields was as a team

793
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:43,359
Speaker 3: they were averaging between one hundred and sixty and one

794
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 3: hundred and seventy passing yards per game.

795
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:46,759
Speaker 1: Right.

796
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:50,279
Speaker 3: The rushing has stayed pretty similar. Yeah, it's at one

797
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:52,920
Speaker 3: thirty three point one, and you're not getting the rushing

798
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:56,359
Speaker 3: yards that you run fields from fields as much.

799
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 1: I think it like twenty seven yards. Yeah, I mean

800
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 1: he is not scrambled as much as I expected. He

801
00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:02,840
Speaker 1: hasn't really had to. Yeah, it's not like I've been

802
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:04,719
Speaker 1: yelling at the TV, like run, run, run, you know,

803
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 1: but he hasn't. He's not going to run for two

804
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 1: or three hundred yards this year.

805
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 3: No, it's not going to happen, and he hasn't needed to.

806
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 1: No. Yeah, your point, and that wasn't suggesting that Arthur

807
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 1: Smith's going to be a head coach next year. But

808
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:19,400
Speaker 1: it won't be shocking to me if he interviews or

809
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 1: puts another year like this next year and it becomes

810
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:25,920
Speaker 1: a real hot candidate again because he's really well respected

811
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:27,480
Speaker 1: in the NFL community. He really is.

812
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 3: And there's this idea that he's this old guy.

813
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:33,880
Speaker 1: He's forty two years old, right, he's still a puppy

814
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 1: in head coaching. I saw something today.

815
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:38,880
Speaker 3: They were talking about him as a possible, you know,

816
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:40,880
Speaker 3: head coaching candidate, and I said, if he were ten

817
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 3: years younger, I'm like, if you were ten years younger,

818
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 3: it'd be thirty two talking about if you were ten

819
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 3: years younger.

820
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 1: Like, that's like when Tomlin got hired in McVeigh. I mean,

821
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 1: m McVeigh is still like the second youngest head coach

822
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 1: in the league.

823
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 3: I get it because he doesn't look like a young guy.

824
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 1: He doesn't know. I mean, he doesn't look like young

825
00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 1: McVeigh or young Tomlin.

826
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:04,719
Speaker 3: Right, what's the Commanders coordinator Cliff Kingsbury. Cliff Kingsbury like

827
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:06,799
Speaker 3: he was all you need to go when when when

828
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 3: the Steelers were interviewing Arthur Smith and people say you

829
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 3: need to go get a good young coordinator like Cliff Kingsbury.

830
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 3: Kingsbury's older than Arthur Smith.

831
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, this doesn't look to say right, former NFL quarterback. Yeah,

832
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 1: he's a better athlete.

833
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 3: Whereas Arthur Smith was an offensive lineman.

834
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:22,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, they tend to be a little dumpy. It tend

835
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:24,880
Speaker 1: to age a little differently, no question, a little grizzled.

836
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 1: And absolutely I forget where does it go with that? Anyway? Now,

837
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 1: I think that that was a really really good hire.

838
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 1: And yes, Weekend you can nitpick, but it does fit

839
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 1: the team.

840
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 3: The mentality and when like Bill Belichick said that before

841
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:43,600
Speaker 3: the season started, like did Arthur Smith was the perfect

842
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 3: fit in Pittsburgh.

843
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:47,799
Speaker 1: For what they wanted to do. Yeah, and he's been right.

844
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 1: He's been right. And you can look at Atlanta and

845
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 1: the Falcons have a lot different personnel than what Smith had.

846
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 1: And I used to joke, I mean, I'm sure Fields

847
00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 1: was like, you could have got me Dj Moore and

848
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 1: Keenan Allen to doonsday and I'm sure Arthur Smith could

849
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:04,920
Speaker 1: have been like I wouldn't mind Kirk Cousins and Pennix

850
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 1: and you know Mooney and you know anyway, but he

851
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 1: was so criticized there for not using his best guys.

852
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:15,480
Speaker 1: Maybe Pitts is not that good by the way, I mean,

853
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 1: like maybe he hasn't been great. And by the way, they.

854
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 3: Were utilizing John hus Smith, who.

855
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 1: Is pretty pretty good, right, right, right, That's what I

856
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 1: was gonna say, Like we all sure Pits is better

857
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:28,759
Speaker 1: than John Hue. And it's not like Pitts didn't do

858
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 1: things there, you know, but like maybe he next personnel

859
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 1: quite well.

860
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 3: Yeah he did use Drake London. Oh yeah, you know,

861
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:38,839
Speaker 3: he did use b Jon Robinson now years better than

862
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 3: people think too.

863
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 1: Was a good point. We're going to rotate those guys.

864
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:44,839
Speaker 3: In absolutely, especially rookie that you don't want to hit

865
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 3: the rookie wall.

866
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, and absolutely they were saving him a little bit

867
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 1: early too. And then he was that one day he

868
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 1: was like totally sick and didn't play at all.

869
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I think he got a bad rap in Atlanta,

870
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 3: But that's neither here nor there. And when you know,

871
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:00,120
Speaker 3: he was asked about the North Carolina job, issul and

872
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 3: he said, look, five or six years ago, you know,

873
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:06,759
Speaker 3: for a head coaching job, I would have I would

874
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 3: have listened to anybody.

875
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, it'd never been a head coach before obviously.

876
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 3: Right, I said, Now, I'm pretty I'm happy where I'm at.

877
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:16,399
Speaker 3: My family's happy here, I'm happy here. And you know this,

878
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 3: this organization head.

879
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 1: Coaching is off for everyone either. I mean I didn't

880
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 1: study him as a head coach as a leader of

881
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 1: men in Atlanta, but I do think he's a better

882
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 1: coordinator than he is the Tomlin CEO, you know, and

883
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:31,719
Speaker 1: that's there's not many people.

884
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 3: That kind of guy though. Yeah, does he can't learn that?

885
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 3: And absolutely a little more so. Again, he's forty two

886
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 3: years old.

887
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 1: If that's still a career goal, he could get there,

888
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 1: but he might just end up being a really good coordinator.

889
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 3: He could he could have twenty years as a head

890
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 3: coach beyond this, I mean, if he wants it.

891
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:51,440
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, he's got a lot of time. Yeah. So no,

892
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:52,720
Speaker 1: but he's been a success story.

893
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:56,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I thought, really, I thought he called an

894
00:39:56,400 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 3: excellent game on Sunday, and I thought Wilson orchestrated said

895
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 3: game and game plan perfectly.

896
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:08,240
Speaker 1: So we were talking a little offensive personnel before. Anytime

897
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:10,399
Speaker 1: there's a coordinator change, you're gonna try to get new

898
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:14,680
Speaker 1: pieces for him. And some of them came directly from Atlanta. Great,

899
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 1: you know, Wilson was somebody they thought fit. Same with fields,

900
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 1: play action. I think they want a mobile I think

901
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:24,920
Speaker 1: he wants a mobile quarterback. He drafted Ritter. But room's

902
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:26,880
Speaker 1: not built in one off season either, right, you know

903
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 1: what I mean? Like, if you can give him one

904
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 1: more off season of Arthur Smith guys.

905
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 3: It'll be interesting to see what kind of wide receiver. Yeah,

906
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:35,720
Speaker 3: they go after this off.

907
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 1: I mean they go get a Drake London style guy,

908
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:40,839
Speaker 1: or you know, to put the pair with Pickens or

909
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 1: I'm not making fun of Michael pruittt He's been a

910
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:46,719
Speaker 1: fine player, but maybe they settled for their Pruet. But

911
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:49,840
Speaker 1: they're going to upgrade that guy by two tiers, you

912
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Or whatever. You know, I'm not

913
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 1: even picking on him. Or they inherited Nause but that's

914
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:56,839
Speaker 1: not really the back I want. But I'm making it work,

915
00:40:56,880 --> 00:41:00,160
Speaker 1: you know. I mean there's a hundred examples. But give

916
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:03,960
Speaker 1: him another offseason to get his type of players. This

917
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 1: front office will find them.

918
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, but let's get through a break. He is

919
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 3: the Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lollie. You're listening to

920
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 3: the drive here on the Steelers Audio Network. Matt and

921
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:15,479
Speaker 3: I'll be back with more right after.

922
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Speaker 2: This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson

923
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:25,400
Speaker 2: on your twenty four to seven home of the Black

924
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 2: and Gold Steelers Nation.

925
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 1: Radio, and we are back.

926
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Speaker 3: I am Dale Lolly, he is the Matt Williamson and

927
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 3: this is the Drive on the Steelers Audio Network. And

928
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 3: of course you can hear the Drive every Monday through

929
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 3: Friday from four to six pm right here on these

930
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Speaker 3: very airwaves. Of course, you can also download the Steelers

931
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 3: Mobile app and it'll go right to your phone and

932
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 3: sure listen to it then where you can watch us

933
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 3: on the Steelers YouTube channel and check it out there.

934
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:58,920
Speaker 3: Leave us some your replies, your comments, all that good stuff.

935
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 3: We appreciate that, Matt. We were just talking about the

936
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:07,719
Speaker 3: choice of Russell Wilson to run this offense. Thus far

937
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:10,400
Speaker 3: on play action plays, he is twenty seven of thirty

938
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:14,399
Speaker 3: nine for three hundred and sixty eight yards. Okay, that's

939
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 3: a nine point four yards per attempt off of play action.

940
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 3: The interesting thing is though he has not yet thrown

941
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:22,479
Speaker 3: a touchdown pass on play action.

942
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:26,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, I bet it's coming, gonna be coming, yeah, yeah, yeah.

943
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 1: He's always been a great play action passer. I mean,

944
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:29,719
Speaker 1: that's one of the reasons he's here.

945
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:31,720
Speaker 3: That's over sixty nine percent on play action.

946
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:33,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, you'll take it. Yeah, that's a fair amount of

947
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 1: yardage too, and a good yards per attempt without question.

948
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:38,319
Speaker 1: And some of those are deep balls, yeah, just part

949
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:39,880
Speaker 1: of it. Yeah.

950
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:41,840
Speaker 3: So you know, that was all part of the equation

951
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:46,880
Speaker 3: here with signing Russell Wilson. And you know, to me,

952
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:50,759
Speaker 3: I think it's a pretty good fit. And you know,

953
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 3: we've been kind of banging that drum all season long.

954
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:56,479
Speaker 1: I'd be shocked if he's not the opening day starter

955
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:57,839
Speaker 1: next year. I would too.

956
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's where I was gonna go with that. You know,

957
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 3: you already see the speculation out there. I think I

958
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:05,920
Speaker 3: mentioned it yesterday. You know who's going to be the

959
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:09,280
Speaker 3: Steelers quarterback next year? The Stealers quarterback for twenty twenty

960
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:11,319
Speaker 3: five is on the roster right now.

961
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:15,239
Speaker 1: I tend to agree. It's funny. I did a mail

962
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:18,440
Speaker 1: bag today for a different podcast, and almost all of

963
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:21,719
Speaker 1: them were off season questions. You know, just not good

964
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:23,439
Speaker 1: or bad. You know, you think Naus you'll be back.

965
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:25,880
Speaker 1: You know what are they gonna do? You know, line changes?

966
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:27,759
Speaker 1: You think they'll go after a big time receiver. Go

967
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 1: get thee Higgins quarterback stuff galore. And I answered the

968
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:35,959
Speaker 1: quarterback thing by saying, my hunch is very shortly after

969
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:38,920
Speaker 1: the seat, after the Steelers are eliminated, he'll sign a

970
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 1: two or three year deal at market price minus ten percent.

971
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 1: You know whatever that.

972
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 3: Is Baker Mayfield type deal, three years, one hundred million dollars,

973
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:49,439
Speaker 3: something like that.

974
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 1: The contract I used, which doesn't mean he's the same player.

975
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 1: It was a bad contract for Daniel Jones, but I

976
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 1: think it could be a similar contract though, like what

977
00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones got. You know it won't be I mean

978
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 1: at his age or I doubt it'll be cousins because

979
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 1: he was on the true open market. But I think

980
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:07,319
Speaker 1: you'll get him at a good price because I think

981
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 1: he'll want to be here. They're gonna want him to

982
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 1: be here. Money's on an issue for him, but you

983
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 1: can't disrespect them either, right. He deserves the going rate.

984
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:16,480
Speaker 1: He's your starting quarterback. You don't give him ten million,

985
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 1: and then I don't know what you do with the

986
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 1: two Though I would still talk to Fields, I wouldn't.

987
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:24,959
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would keep I'd keep the door open. Yeah,

988
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:25,440
Speaker 3: I don't.

989
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 1: Think I'm using a first round pick on a quarterback. No,

990
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 1: I don't think so either, And I see a year

991
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 1: from that.

992
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 3: I've seen a lot of mock drafts, you know, having

993
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:34,439
Speaker 3: the Steelers take a first round quarterback, and I don't

994
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:36,879
Speaker 3: think that's going to be the case. No, that doesn't

995
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:38,720
Speaker 3: mean I don't take one in the middle rounds.

996
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:40,640
Speaker 1: I would think about it. I don't know the class

997
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:42,919
Speaker 1: well enough. Everyone's like this class, thanks, you know, there's

998
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:45,239
Speaker 1: not many to pick from. If that's true, I might

999
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 1: just taking one to take one. But if there's one

1000
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:49,720
Speaker 1: that catches your eye in the third round that you

1001
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 1: are fourth round, that you have a second round grade on. Sure,

1002
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 1: But I kind of looked at it like Wilson on

1003
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:58,880
Speaker 1: a two or three year deal, maybe Fields on a one.

1004
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:02,239
Speaker 1: Don't draft anyone this year and draft one next year.

1005
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 1: We're you know, I could live with that.

1006
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:10,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, I could too, But I would also at least

1007
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:14,879
Speaker 3: consider taking a quarterback if if the if there's somebody

1008
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:16,359
Speaker 3: there that you like, I'm not going to force it,

1009
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 3: yeah yeah, but if you get to, you know, in

1010
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:21,120
Speaker 3: the middle rounds, and there's somebody there that you think, well,

1011
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 3: this guy's got some he's got some traits.

1012
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 1: Some traits to develop that we can develop. Somebody has

1013
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 1: a high upside. I'm not trying to I'm not picking

1014
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 1: on him, but I'm not trying to find the next

1015
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 1: Mason Rudolph. That can be a lifetime too. I'm looking

1016
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:36,400
Speaker 1: to swing for the fences and hit a deck, you know.

1017
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:39,760
Speaker 1: And there's a theory out there in the draft community

1018
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:42,839
Speaker 1: in the NFL that I believe in. It's easier said

1019
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:45,000
Speaker 1: than done because you only get so many picks, right,

1020
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:47,719
Speaker 1: But the Packers were big on this draft one every year,

1021
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 1: no matter what. If it's seventh rounder and you flush them,

1022
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:53,759
Speaker 1: so what. But they had like Hasselbeck and Brunell, you know,

1023
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:55,839
Speaker 1: guys that went on to have really good careers. They

1024
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:58,240
Speaker 1: were just stuck behind Brett Faarr. You know that they drafted.

1025
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:02,120
Speaker 1: You know. So it's never a idea if you miss, Okay,

1026
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 1: we took a swing, we'll go sign a safety instead

1027
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 1: that we needed or whatever. But if you hit, even

1028
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:10,680
Speaker 1: if it's just a long time too, it's well worth

1029
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:13,239
Speaker 1: a fifth rounder or later for a second round pick. Yeah,

1030
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:16,160
Speaker 1: I mean without question, you know, like Landry Jones was

1031
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:19,200
Speaker 1: worth the pick. Yeah, Mason Rudolph was worth was worth

1032
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:21,799
Speaker 1: the pick if he actually if he had panned out

1033
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:24,319
Speaker 1: to be what they thought he might be. I mean

1034
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 1: they they drafted him thinking that he might be Roethlisberger's replacement, right, right, right.

1035
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 1: They didn't draft him thinking he's going to be a

1036
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 1: long term two. Sure. Sure, And the fact that he

1037
00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:34,480
Speaker 1: is a long term two is still worth it. Yeah.

1038
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:35,719
Speaker 1: I mean, like he's gonna be in the league ten

1039
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:36,360
Speaker 1: twelve years.

1040
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:38,759
Speaker 3: I mean he's He had a better record as a

1041
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:44,320
Speaker 3: Steelers starting quarterbacks as the quote unquote backup and Charlie Batch,

1042
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:46,920
Speaker 3: Charlie Batch is revered in Pittsburgh.

1043
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:49,760
Speaker 1: Sure, and I get that that's knock on Charlie obvious,

1044
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:52,920
Speaker 1: not at all, right, right, but Mason's start record as

1045
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:55,840
Speaker 1: a starter, Yeah, being the backup was better. Yeah, he

1046
00:46:55,880 --> 00:47:01,439
Speaker 1: could definitely compete with the Batch Gradkowski left which era backups? Yeah,

1047
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:02,400
Speaker 1: you know, RT, no question.

1048
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:05,560
Speaker 3: So I mean that he won, You won games with him,

1049
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:09,280
Speaker 3: you won, he kept you in the hunt in twenty nineteen. Yeah,

1050
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:11,239
Speaker 3: he got you into the playoffs last year.

1051
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:14,359
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, that's worth that's worth it. It'd be nice

1052
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:16,719
Speaker 1: to have that type of guy behind Wilson next year.

1053
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:20,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, or somebody again better maybe maybe maybe you out

1054
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:21,759
Speaker 3: kick your coverage on it. Maybe you get the next

1055
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:25,600
Speaker 3: Russell Wilson. Absolutely, that's exactly what Wilson was. Yeah, well

1056
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:27,279
Speaker 3: he plays like a first rounder, but he's little. We'll

1057
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:31,240
Speaker 3: take them a third. Well, so you know, right, Yeah,

1058
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:34,000
Speaker 3: but when your quarterback is thirty five thirty six years old,

1059
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 3: you should be thinking of that direction.

1060
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:38,799
Speaker 1: Yeah. I would love to kick it down the road

1061
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:40,920
Speaker 1: one more year, you know, in terms of like the

1062
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:43,160
Speaker 1: first round guy, yeah, you know, or something like that,

1063
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 1: or a Fields or somebody like that that just keeps

1064
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 1: developing and then you know, by that time is a

1065
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:50,680
Speaker 1: true starter. Who knows.

1066
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, But well we'll keep keep that in

1067
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:57,360
Speaker 3: mind here as we get into well, December football and

1068
00:47:57,400 --> 00:47:59,239
Speaker 3: then January football. We're not gonna talk a ton of

1069
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 3: draft yet people.

1070
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:03,239
Speaker 1: No, and it teating up though. I mean I'm trying

1071
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:05,440
Speaker 1: to do more and more homework on it. And Steelers

1072
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:07,600
Speaker 1: have some free agents that need to be discussed at

1073
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:08,680
Speaker 1: some point too. Yeah.

1074
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, but that's all stuff for work. No, Yeah, we'll

1075
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:13,839
Speaker 3: cover it when the season is over. We're gonna get

1076
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:15,239
Speaker 3: to another break that's going to do it for our

1077
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:17,720
Speaker 3: number one of the drive here on the Steelers Audio Network.

1078
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:19,439
Speaker 1: Matt and I will be back with our number two

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00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 1: right after this