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Speaker 1: New York Mets and the Pittsburgh Pirates have been linked

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Speaker 1: in trade rumors. According to Andrew phil Apony on Twitter,

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Speaker 1: I believe he is a radio host in Pittsburgh talks

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Speaker 1: about sports on a nine thirty seven. The fan gotta

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Speaker 1: give a shout out to the radio. Guys, have some respect.

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Speaker 1: That's where you lose me with the radio. D get

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Speaker 1: about the points. I forget about the points. But hey,

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Speaker 1: he came out, he said. Sources the Pirates have engaged

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Speaker 1: in trade talks with New York Mets and are pursuing

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Speaker 1: Brett Bady or Mark Fiento's both play third base but

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Speaker 1: have been uprooted from that position because of Mets offseason moves.

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Speaker 2: Asking price is high, but something.

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Speaker 1: Can still get done. We're gonna talk about this, the

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Speaker 1: validity of this, whatever it's gonna be. We'll give you

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Speaker 1: some thoughts, opinions, trade proposals before we do. Make sure

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Speaker 2: We do appreciate you guys. You sent this one to me.

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Speaker 1: James you're like, let's talk about this, because this is

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Speaker 1: somewhat fascinating, especially with the little bread comes we got

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Speaker 1: earlier in the offseason from Joel Sherman about Bubba Chandler

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Speaker 1: and Brax Nashcraft.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, just based on the fact that the Pirates have

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Speaker 3: a clear need at third base. Again, it to anyone's

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Speaker 3: argument whether or not Mark Fiantees is a third basement

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Speaker 3: at this point, but they were in the race for

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Speaker 3: Juheno Suarez. It's that with the Reds instead and seemingly

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Speaker 3: for less money in a few years, just because you

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Speaker 3: want it to be in Cincinnati instead of Pittsburgh. As

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Speaker 3: of right now, the Pirates are likely heading this season

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Speaker 3: with Jared Triolo's the third basement. I don't think it's

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Speaker 3: exactly a bad option, but seems like they Chris much

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Speaker 3: more of a defensive guy. I think they just need

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Speaker 3: more offense based.

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Speaker 1: On where they are check those second half numbers.

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Speaker 3: I think he'd be good. I'm gonna talk about Jared

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Speaker 3: Tiroolo later as we try to actually create a mock

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Speaker 3: trade here. But logically it makes sense again because that

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Speaker 3: Sherman article from like two weeks ago now says that

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Speaker 3: said that David Stearns was engaged with Ben Charrington for

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Speaker 3: a short period of time trying to get starting pitching,

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Speaker 3: and he specifically named Sherman, Bubba Chandler, and Brax Nashcraft.

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Speaker 3: We didn't really get anything about what the Mets were

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Speaker 3: offering back. It seems like those went down after the

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Speaker 3: Mets went out and got Freddie Peralta. But it does

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Speaker 3: seem like there's a fit for the Pirates. It seems

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Speaker 3: like there's still a roster clut for the Mets. So

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Speaker 3: I can see logically how this could make sense. Sure,

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Speaker 3: everything except Bubba Chandler. I just I don't think that

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Speaker 3: would be a heist. I just meant I've met General

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Speaker 3: Baby and Viento's. I didn't mean anything about Bubba check

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Speaker 3: oh coo cool.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Oh then definitely, especially especially Mark Vientos being a guy

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Speaker 1: that like a couple of years ago hit thirty home

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Speaker 1: big reason for the Mets NLCS push. You probably could

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Speaker 1: convince I think there's part of the reason why Mark

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Speaker 1: Viento's is also still here is you could convince people

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Speaker 1: that the bat will come back, not to the same heights,

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Speaker 1: look past the putrid, putrid third base defense and for

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Speaker 1: the Pirates, who again just need more major league players.

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Speaker 1: Even though I'm drinking that Pirate's cool aid and I'm

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Speaker 1: getting cooked for it on Twitter today, Mark yet Oh,

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Speaker 1: I'm getting absolutely destroyed. All the Cubs and Brewers fans

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Speaker 1: are making fun of me because I said, because Pirates

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Speaker 1: are linked to Framber Valdez, that's definitely not true. But

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Speaker 1: if they are, I was like, get frambur conor Griffinn

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Speaker 1: opening Day. Now they can win the nl Central And

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Speaker 2: But that's not the point of this conversation.

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Speaker 1: We're not getting Bubba Chandler, Brax and n Ashcraft feels unlikely,

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Speaker 1: but I'm assuming that's why this Pirate's news source is

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Speaker 1: saying that the price is high as because I'm sure

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Speaker 1: and we talked about this off are that the conversation went.

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Speaker 1: Mets go, h, We'll give you Brett Baty for Bubba Chandler,

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Speaker 3: And then all of the conversations that I do think

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Speaker 3: quickly we just have to reference how underrated Bubba Chandler

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Speaker 3: seems to be in these Mets circles, Like this is crazy.

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Speaker 3: It's a pretty good chance that by like June first,

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Speaker 3: one of the best pitching prospects in baseball as both

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Speaker 3: and then drafted as a two way player, signed with

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Speaker 3: thrower to one hundred miles an hour with a nasty slideer,

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Speaker 3: built up a change up over the past few years,

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Speaker 3: dominated through April triple A last year, and it felt like, Okay,

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Speaker 3: this is going to happen. Pirates Wind up leaving him

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Speaker 3: down there. He voiced some frustration. Seems like he just

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Speaker 3: got pissed as service time is being manipulated and he

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Speaker 3: just kind of tanked, which is not an excuse, but

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Speaker 3: he was terrible for the rest of the season at

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Speaker 3: Triple A. Even though he was bad for the rest

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Speaker 3: of the season a Triple A, the Pirates still called

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Speaker 3: him up around August twentieth, which coincidentally was right when

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Speaker 3: time manipulation works out. Then he was like, pretty pretty

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Speaker 3: cool when he got called up last year for the Pirates.

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Speaker 3: So he's not He's not going anywhere unless you give

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Speaker 3: up like Carson Bentch truthfully.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and the Pirates there's no incentive for them to

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Speaker 3: He's awesome. Here.

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Speaker 2: Here's the crazy thing.

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Speaker 1: Why do you think the Mets would move Brett Baidy

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Speaker 1: Why would the Pirates make that trade. They're just gonna

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Speaker 1: be a worst team. He's just a guy that's not

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Speaker 3: There's no chance. If you guys have fantasy baseball drafts,

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Speaker 3: he should be one of your primary sleepers. Like he's

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Speaker 1: To be a little crazy, Like there's a world he's

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Speaker 1: about if you like if you switched switch the teams

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Speaker 1: the Mets are really shopping Brett Baty. I think the

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Speaker 1: Mets might be softly shopping Brett Bathy just in case

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Speaker 1: they can get like an elite shit back. Like but

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Speaker 1: like you're not again, like Brett Baty and Bubbuck Chandler

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Speaker 3: I'm not in the same ye. Like Bubba Chandler. If

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Speaker 3: the Pirates have a playoff serious next year, Bubba Chandler

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Speaker 3: starting the second game after Paul Skins again, like, we

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Speaker 3: think he is really good. The slider's really nice. He's

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Speaker 3: spent time developing that fast bollock. Last year he was

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Speaker 3: that'd be extraneous into that role. Like, I don't think

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Speaker 3: in that swing man role. We just got someone to

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Speaker 3: fill that optionable swing man role. It doesn't It doesn't

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Speaker 3: line up as well right now as it probably did

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Speaker 3: a month ago when these conversations actually happened. But maybe

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Speaker 3: I don't know, maybe there is still a through line.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm interested to know, Like, are the Pirates even

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Speaker 2: They don't have any pitching depth either.

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Speaker 1: This is something that we talked about in the wind

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Speaker 1: up when we were going over our team rankings for

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Speaker 1: like power rankings before the season. Love the Pirates pitching

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Speaker 1: staff healthy on paper, as soon as there's one injury,

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Speaker 1: you're like, where in the world are they gonna get

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they're a team that fits really well. I think

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Speaker 3: be a team that's really looking at, if not one

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Speaker 3: two of those types of like mid back end rotation,

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Speaker 3: that with Mike fucking Clevenger today. Imagine that. Imagine that

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Speaker 3: guy still gets a major league job is ridiculous, but

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Speaker 3: how bad of guys they trying to add to that

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Speaker 3: and I know Triolo did have those nice second half splits.

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Speaker 3: Is a Triolo for Viento swap possible an offense for defense.

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Speaker 1: I'm so glad you said that because Jared Triolo, like,

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Speaker 1: let's just completely ignore the offense of the second half

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Speaker 1: right now, right, you said an offense for defense swap

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Speaker 1: in terms of like utility men defensive players, that would

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Speaker 2: A need that the Mets have.

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Speaker 1: What if I told you that Jared Triolo played more

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Speaker 1: You can get a Jared Triolo who the Mets don't

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Speaker 1: do fill in, great, let's go.

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Speaker 2: We're pumped. I think that there's a world where.

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Speaker 1: That could make sense for the Pirates, and I think

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Speaker 1: as a Pirates fan Pirates organization, you like, this is

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Speaker 1: kind of lazy, but like you can find fielding, you

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Speaker 1: that you can on the free agent market or really

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Speaker 1: on the trade market right now possible.

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Speaker 3: I got you hip to Jared Truel like three years

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Speaker 3: blooming when he killed the Mets too. He kills the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it would be cool just to even, like just

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Speaker 3: don't think the METSA would look to acquire prospects, but no,

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Speaker 3: this is something that we talked about literally yesterday to

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Speaker 1: Oh nice, that's gonna be fun when they play the

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the whole thing right there. But like otherwise, looking

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Speaker 1: Guy that I really want and he probably is way

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Speaker 2: I mean by got Justin Lawrence.

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Speaker 1: Probably not because he was in the very small sample

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Speaker 3: The way they built this bullpen, they kind of need

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Speaker 1: required back the Pirates shouldn't trade them, no, And I

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Speaker 3: Billy Cook, say he's the poor man Jared Tiolo like

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Speaker 3: But for a Pirates team that again like seem like

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Speaker 1: could get back.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I would have said the Diamondbacks before Carlos Santana,

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Speaker 3: but I don't think that plays anymore.

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Speaker 2: Nationals.

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Speaker 3: I guess, like and would you get from the Nationals.

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Speaker 3: They don't have like a one player of value made

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Speaker 3: the roster.

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Speaker 1: That's that's the problem is like who would it be?

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Speaker 3: No, there is there really isn't really isn't anybody Martinez,

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Speaker 3: Let's you convince yourself, like, let's they'll do the Louis Garcias.

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Speaker 3: He seems pretty out of favor there and like he

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Speaker 3: could be util the infielder, but I don't think he

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Speaker 3: can be Like someone should be ones Like there was

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Speaker 3: the rumor that circulated out recently too that the Mets

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Speaker 3: were thinking about Andy Diaz, but the Rays were interested

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Speaker 3: in Ryan Clifford. Similarly with Brendon Dondre from the Cardinals,

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Speaker 3: and also Clifford's name that came up, it seemed like

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Speaker 3: the Mets were not super willing to do that. Like

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Speaker 3: I'm sure when some when asked for Clifford you could

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Speaker 3: throw back Fianto's seems like they probably said no because

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Speaker 3: those trades didn't materialize.

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Speaker 2: Is it like Marlins for like lake backer, back, batcher backer.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but the Marlins probably know that, especially Joe Mack

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Speaker 3: will be ready this year. They're catching prospect and triple A.

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Speaker 3: They know he's a significantly better defensive catcher in Augustine Ramirez,

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Speaker 3: So they know Augusty Ramirez is eventual home probably just

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Speaker 3: his first base anyway, So you probably don't want to

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Speaker 3: overload against players of similar Archaea types together.

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Speaker 2: What about the Cardinals.

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Speaker 1: I'm just I'm gonna keep throwing out names because right now,

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Speaker 1: Alec Burlson's projected to play first. I guess that also

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Speaker 1: could be Nolan Gorman, but he's projected for third and

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Speaker 1: the like Alec Burson, he's like one year older than

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Speaker 1: Mark Fiantos. No, I'm not I'm not saying we trade

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Speaker 1: for Alec Burlson. I'm saying no, I'm saying, why would

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Speaker 1: they want because Burlson.

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Speaker 2: In the outfield.

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Speaker 3: I guess Burlso could play the outfield and then give.

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Speaker 2: Us Jojo Ramiro.

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Speaker 3: Jojo Romero would make every time I look at this

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Speaker 3: Cardinals roster resource page and see every single player in

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Speaker 3: the starting nine being a Cardinals draftees for the hilarious

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Speaker 3: but like, yeah, like maybe they want Jojo Romeira. But

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Speaker 3: we talked about the other day, like yesterday, that maybe

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Speaker 3: the don't want to box themselves in with one more

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Speaker 3: guy without options in this bullpen, Like I could see

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Speaker 3: that being a possibility for them. Man, there's just not

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Speaker 3: a home for Viendo's probably somewhat. I'm sure people isn't

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Speaker 3: calling and they're asking, but is.

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Speaker 1: It platooning first base with Cole Manzardo in Cleveland?

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Speaker 2: Maybe, but I don't think.

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Speaker 3: I don't see the Guardians jumping on him to be

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Speaker 3: the platoon guy. Just you're not getting a trading real

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Speaker 3: asset for a lefty masher Like I think the Twins

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Speaker 3: would have made sense, but then they went out and

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Speaker 3: signed Josh Bell. But like I think that he could

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Speaker 3: have been fun there. I don't know what we again,

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Speaker 3: I don't know what we get back from them, but

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Speaker 3: like I.

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Speaker 2: Have no idea where he goes. That's the biggest issue.

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Speaker 3: So maybe he doesn't go anywhere. Maybe you try to

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Speaker 3: do this again but then and then doesn't have it.

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Speaker 3: You just non tender him and that's the end of it.

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Speaker 3: I guess that's that's probably why they are working trying

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Speaker 3: to get creative for end of trade right now, because

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Speaker 3: once you get to mid season, he doesn't play the

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Speaker 3: whole first half and like, where's the value?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, then it's over.

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Speaker 3: That's why it's the opposite round here right now where

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Speaker 3: he's gonna fourteen hundred.

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Speaker 1: You said he got the Brett Baby jersey right up

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Speaker 1: there at Biento's jersey right next to him.

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Speaker 2: Ronnie Mauricio, bang hang hang him in the rafters.

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Speaker 3: They'll be remembered forever. It's syrahcuse, but it's just it's

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Speaker 3: I think this is the last piece that David Serance

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Speaker 3: wants to try to thread the needle on this offseason

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Speaker 3: where there's been hyperactivity, and the Pirates probably do make

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Speaker 3: the most sense if they don't care about their base

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Speaker 3: defense and they want right handed power so you ask,

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Speaker 3: why not.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess we'll figure it out. I got nothing

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Speaker 1: else to talk about tho us twenty minutes about a

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Speaker 1: theoretical Mets pirates trade. Got a lot of braxs and

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Speaker 1: n ashcrafts and jerritory. O looka talk he Bubba Chandler

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Speaker 1: love Bubbat.

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Speaker 3: So good. He's so good, guys, He's so oh my god,

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Speaker 3: he's so good. He's ridiculously good. He's not.

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Speaker 2: That's it.

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Speaker 1: next one. Peace out.

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Speaker 2: Let's go, Mets