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Speaker 1: This is Mandy be Welcome to Selective Ignorance, a production

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Speaker 1: of the Black Epec podcast Network and Iart Radio. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to a bonus episode of Selective Ignorance, and today we

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Speaker 1: are talking all things reality check inside America's Next Top Model,

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Speaker 1: which is a three part docus series on the Netflix.

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Speaker 1: They got the people upset, I ain't gonna hold you

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Speaker 1: so apparently over the pandemic, the gen Zers, the Lil

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Speaker 1: Youngins decided to binge watch America's Next Top Model and

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Speaker 1: of course, through a different lens. America's Next Top Model

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Speaker 1: came out in the early two thousands, where reality TV

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Speaker 1: was reality TV, and through this new lens, there was

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Speaker 1: a lot of criticism around the things that took place

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Speaker 1: for entertainment. A lot of people came after Tyra Banks,

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Speaker 1: a lot of people came after what this show stood for.

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Speaker 1: A lot of people came after the things that they

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Speaker 1: were making these women do and the makeovers and the

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Speaker 1: photo shoots.

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Speaker 2: And we'll get into all.

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Speaker 3: Of those things.

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Speaker 1: But I wanted to start this off kind of light

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Speaker 1: in terms of taking us back. Okay, in the early

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Speaker 1: two thousands, I was in middle school, in high school,

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Speaker 1: I graduated high school in two thousand and nine.

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Speaker 2: So the reality shows.

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Speaker 1: That I grew up watching it was.

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Speaker 2: For the Love of Flavor.

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Speaker 3: Of Love Favor.

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Speaker 1: A lot of it was dating shows, right, Bachelor early.

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Speaker 1: So you did have the competition shows. You have America's

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Speaker 1: Top Model, you had America's what's the one with the singers,

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Speaker 1: American Idol, American Idol, We have Survivor, you had Survivor,

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Speaker 1: you had fear Factor, you had.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if Big Brother was out then here

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Speaker 3: Big Brother.

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Speaker 2: Was out Big Brothers on like season twenty five right now?

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, so you had Big Brother.

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Speaker 2: You also had Real World Road Rules Challenge.

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Speaker 4: So for me, like that's when you said that, I

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Speaker 4: was like, Dann, those are your first reality shows.

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Speaker 3: So my old ass graduated high school in ninety nine,

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Speaker 3: and so a dim World Rules Real World.

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Speaker 4: Like I remember watching the first set at the first

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Speaker 4: season of the Real World with everybody Tammy, David Powell,

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Speaker 4: I forget the white boy's name, but yeah, like those seasons.

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Speaker 1: I mean I watched The Real World too, like, and

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Speaker 1: that's where you know Karamo, Like you had people.

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Speaker 3: Like Cyrus.

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Speaker 1: Yep, Cyrus be winning. I think Cyrus was actually just

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Speaker 1: on Traders if I'm not mistaken.

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Speaker 4: Maybe maybe maybe maybe maybe I didn't watch the first season,

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Speaker 4: so maybe all.

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Speaker 1: I know is reality TV at that time was the

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Speaker 1: wild wild West. Yeah, and kind of in terms of

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Speaker 1: how we even talk about comedy now, the things that

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Speaker 1: were allowed were just allowed. Yeah, even in terms of

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Speaker 1: when we think about music videos, when we think about songs,

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Speaker 1: when we think about the things that were acceptable because

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Speaker 1: we had a much less sensitive lens, is what I'll say.

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Speaker 1: Or we were just more tolerant of bullshit.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Maybe we were just allowed to be ignorant. I feel

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Speaker 1: like that's why even this podcast is a thing. Right.

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Speaker 1: You were allowed to kind of live in your ignorance

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Speaker 1: and it was fine as long as because some people

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Speaker 1: found it funny. People let you be you. Now, baby,

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Speaker 1: you gotta watch everything you motherfucker say, everything you do,

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Speaker 1: even what you laugh at.

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Speaker 3: Well, we have the culture cryptonite, you know, that.

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Speaker 1: Is what's the culture cryptite. I was gonna say social media.

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Speaker 1: Because the way that we received information came from the

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Speaker 1: television or the tabloids. We couldn't have this immediate reaction

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Speaker 3: I think part of what you I tend to lean

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Speaker 3: towards the latter part of what you said about yeah,

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Speaker 3: like we were tolerant of bullshit. And the reason I

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Speaker 3: that time, if we're all gonna hold ourselves to some

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Speaker 4: At that time, it was a word yeah, yeah, that's

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Speaker 4: all I've been.

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Speaker 1: Hearing this, and so I want to Okay, let me

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Speaker 4: So there were people at that time who were still

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Speaker 4: saying it was wrong. Okay, but it wasn't a lot

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Speaker 4: loud minority because the mics and the WiFi. Now even

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Speaker 4: At that time, I feel like there was no where

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Speaker 4: could you even go to be a loud minority. Like

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Speaker 4: in two thousand and two, two thousand and three, we

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Speaker 4: had the Internet, but we didn't have that. Yeah, but

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Speaker 4: we didn't have like the internet how we had now

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Speaker 4: to be able to say instantly, oh, this is fucked up.

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Speaker 4: Some of the clips they showed in the documentary of

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Speaker 4: people who were saying it was fucked up at the time,

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Speaker 4: Like you, probably they.

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Speaker 1: Weren't born when this came out. They literally have no

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Speaker 3: Young people, yeah, in their twenties, that was like.

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Speaker 2: They couldn't fathom the type of.

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Speaker 4: Society was like, yeah, society, it it was.

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Speaker 1: I mean, what's crazy to me is to even see

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Speaker 1: the lens of what plus size.

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Speaker 4: Was back then because that girl was not big.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was that said on the top.

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Speaker 1: Now let's get into the A word, because that is

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Speaker 1: what a lot of the discourse is around Tyra Banks

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Speaker 1: and her complicity and lack of an apology or accountability

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Speaker 1: in this documentary. Now, what would accountability look like to you?

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Speaker 1: And what are your thoughts on the outrage around Tyra

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Speaker 1: Banks and her her participation in in all this?

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Speaker 3: Tyra Tyra danced.

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Speaker 4: Tyra danced around most of the things that were being

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Speaker 4: brought up, and the look on her face looked like

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Speaker 4: she didn't even like she was trying to save face

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Speaker 4: and trying to keep it clean. But her look on

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Speaker 4: her face didn't suggest somebody who understood what was actually

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Speaker 4: going on. She to me, she looked like I'm just

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Speaker 4: gonna play innocent like there was I don't I didn't

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Speaker 4: know and we didn't know. She kept saying we didn't know.

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Speaker 4: I'm like, eh, I don't buy that because.

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Speaker 1: She didn't keep saying we didn't know. She kept saying

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Speaker 4: But the thing is she was also talking about what

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Speaker 4: she was being quote unquote pressure to do by the

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Speaker 4: network to make good TV. You know what it is

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Speaker 4: is being considered good TV is because it's fucking crazy.

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Speaker 3: I love that you can't play.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I didn't even watch it when it was on,

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Speaker 3: Although I did forget that it was on you it

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Speaker 4: It was like atwork up like they put UPN on

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Speaker 1: What I found really interesting was people are people are

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Speaker 1: also talking about the people who weren't present in the dock.

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Speaker 1: I did not know. Do y'all know who developed the show.

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Speaker 4: Kenya Bearris Oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah, I did not.

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Speaker 2: So Tyro was the creator.

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Speaker 1: UPN was the network, but Kenya Bears developed the show,

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Speaker 1: and so it was really interesting that he wasn't a

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Speaker 2: Prevalent in television today.

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Speaker 1: Sure, and so for someone who's creating television today and

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Speaker 1: still developing things I would have loved because that means

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Speaker 4: Well nowadays like colorism. So he's like, I can deal

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Speaker 4: with that. I'm not going back to that ship. Yeah, nigga,

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Speaker 4: want to call me color struct nigga. I'll be a

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Speaker 4: drag me back into this bullethit that they had going

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Speaker 4: on with these models.

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Speaker 3: Those are now.

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Speaker 2: You didn't answer my question.

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Speaker 3: Oh my what accountability to say what it is?

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Speaker 1: And I think she did.

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Speaker 3: No, she did not. You did the fucking tucy slide.

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Speaker 3: I ain't out everything they brought to bring to her face.

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Speaker 3: She was just like, Ah, that wasn't my decision. I

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Speaker 3: don't I don't involve with the production. I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I was like, that's the only part where it was like, bit,

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Speaker 3: You are about verifiable?

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Speaker 1: Well no, here's the thing, Well, you know I haven't

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Speaker 1: been reading everybody's take. Allegedly, the reason why she didn't

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Speaker 1: then she would be open for lawsuits. Right, I'm sure,

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Speaker 1: So there's that. So maybe from a legal standpoint, maybe

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Speaker 1: all acknowledging that the world was a different place. So

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Speaker 1: if she would have said I apologize for what I

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Speaker 1: that still wouldn't have been enough or sufficed for people

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Speaker 1: to feel like the apology because it reminds me of

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Speaker 1: the apology.

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry you feel that way.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's pretty much went on that show.

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Speaker 1: So when we think about it, a lot of people

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Speaker 1: don't accept that as an apology because it's not you

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Speaker 1: that is what it was back then. And so the

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Speaker 1: the way that we've talked about certain television shows being

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Speaker 1: removed off air because now the content is insensitive because

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Speaker 1: certain comedians couldn't get away with some of the jokes

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Speaker 1: that we still left at today, but we knew it

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Speaker 1: was a time that they could say it. It's interesting

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Speaker 1: because even knowing the lens that we're in now, Oh

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Speaker 1: my god, I just watched this some more doc and

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Speaker 1: Niggas was mad that she made a joke about the

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Speaker 1: Dollar Tree. I don't know if y'all saw the more documentary,

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Speaker 1: but basically she I think she was in Detroit, a

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Speaker 1: the Dollar Tree. She turned it into a joke to

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Speaker 1: But so when I'm seeing just the sensitivity now even

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Speaker 4: But here's the difference, though, right, Okay, the tweet's coming

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Speaker 4: And then when it shows the thing that you said, okay,

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Speaker 1: Was homophobic tag the stallion. It was homophobic.

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Speaker 3: But but yeah, but when but when you realized better,

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Speaker 1: But that's what I'm interested in because a lot of

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Speaker 2: She says it, now we're bringing back cycle twenty five.

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Speaker 1: So to me, that's her that's going to be her

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Speaker 3: The bad things and now you want to do it again.

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Speaker 1: But so that's though, where let's see if you have

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Speaker 3: Well, I think it's easy to do now. It's not

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Speaker 4: If you know, if everyone told you what they have

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Speaker 3: You don't get no gold start, No one.

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Speaker 1: let's go to American Idol.

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Speaker 1: We don't have American Idol without simon cow ripping them niggas.

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Speaker 3: Say something, say something to be an asshole.

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Speaker 4: So but that's why I don't give her a pass

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Speaker 4: She gets to Danielle, she felt like Tyra came in

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Speaker 3: They tried to make the girl Danielle close up her gap.

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Speaker 4: Gap gang never closing my gap, thatt gang in this

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Speaker 3: Who the fuck was that dentist?

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Speaker 4: Like, who, y'all, y'all have a show and y'all went

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Speaker 3: Putting on TV.

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Speaker 4: People will never stop loving functionhit. That it would be

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Speaker 3: And that's good that that's what it is, right.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, those girls were young, and a lot of

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Speaker 3: Wanted in life, which was a modeling or a modeling career.

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Speaker 4: But that's why it's incumbent upon Tyra to protect them.

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Speaker 4: Ty Tyra was so initiated into what modeling and what

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Speaker 3: But then during that era.

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Speaker 2: But that's that's real.

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Speaker 1: I link with him. After the Chris Brown concert. He

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Speaker 1: No, we're talking amongst ourselves, but he's now tried two

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Speaker 3: Why?

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Speaker 1: I was just I was joking, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: I was joking, but I had to have that conversation

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Speaker 1: Mind you do you? You know how many times if that

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Speaker 4: But all of those but that's but that's all the problems.

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Speaker 1: But it is all the problems. However, to sit here

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but at some.

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Speaker 1: Point, and I'm not saying it's right, of course, I

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Speaker 4: And still today, I think it's totally valid that it

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Speaker 1: you tell him to stop rebenen dick on you? Because

442
00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:33,159
Speaker 1: we have autonomy. Back then we didn't, and Tyer probably

443
00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:37,439
Speaker 1: felt like she didn't. Let's also be very clear, we

444
00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:39,560
Speaker 1: get put into systems that when we have powers to

445
00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:41,880
Speaker 1: change it, we don't. I say this a lot about

446
00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:44,840
Speaker 1: the and by the way I listen to them, I

447
00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:48,080
Speaker 1: support him the way the creators thought that Joe Budden

448
00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:49,640
Speaker 1: would be different when he got that power.

449
00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:53,200
Speaker 2: He's treating everybody on his team now how.

450
00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:55,920
Speaker 1: Complex treated him, And I like he has the power

451
00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:59,760
Speaker 1: to change the way that people are in a creative

452
00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:01,879
Speaker 1: space because he now has the money and power to

453
00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:04,760
Speaker 1: do so, and he hasn't a lot of people. When

454
00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:07,040
Speaker 1: you get that money, power and all that, you don't

455
00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:09,960
Speaker 1: really you get right into the system and.

456
00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:11,320
Speaker 3: You become the same.

457
00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:12,359
Speaker 1: You become the system.

458
00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:16,199
Speaker 4: But that's the thing about it, is like at a

459
00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:21,240
Speaker 4: certain point, I understand the difference in culture and lens

460
00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:23,280
Speaker 4: and how we see things and how we do things,

461
00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:27,560
Speaker 4: But I don't think that that can always be the

462
00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:29,000
Speaker 4: veneer of.

463
00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:31,359
Speaker 3: Not even just right or wrong, because we know it's wrong.

464
00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:33,920
Speaker 2: But I'm saying, I see what she did, then talk

465
00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:36,200
Speaker 2: about talk about the veneer.

466
00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:40,280
Speaker 4: But it's like she I just refuse to believe that

467
00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:44,239
Speaker 4: she didn't know. And at some point, like they used

468
00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:46,080
Speaker 4: to hang niggas and there was a party in the picnic.

469
00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:49,280
Speaker 4: That don't mean that we're gonna give nobody who hung

470
00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:51,680
Speaker 4: niggas a past to be like, well, that's what I

471
00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:53,240
Speaker 4: was doing at the time, y'all, was just hanging out

472
00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:54,160
Speaker 4: doing the thing like.

473
00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:58,560
Speaker 1: This is so extreme, like you it from reality TV

474
00:22:58,760 --> 00:22:59,280
Speaker 1: to lynching.

475
00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:01,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm talking about what's accepted.

476
00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:03,800
Speaker 4: I'm talking about the difference between what's accepted in the

477
00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:06,640
Speaker 4: time period and what you know is wrong and what

478
00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:09,679
Speaker 4: you and what you participated in. I'm not saying that

479
00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:12,240
Speaker 4: Tyra should never be able to do anything ever again

480
00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:14,480
Speaker 4: and rub her from the face of the earth as

481
00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:18,000
Speaker 4: Tyra Banks and her whole legacy, but she didn't do

482
00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:21,240
Speaker 4: anything for herself, and she's going to bring back series

483
00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:21,879
Speaker 4: twenty five.

484
00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:24,800
Speaker 3: The best pr we're gonna.

485
00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:27,120
Speaker 4: Take it from that surface level to where okay, forget

486
00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:29,600
Speaker 4: the right and wrong of it all. The best PR

487
00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:33,399
Speaker 4: for cycle twenty five would have been her saying, yes,

488
00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:36,120
Speaker 4: everything that we did at that time was fucked up.

489
00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:41,240
Speaker 1: You know what. This documentary reminded me of the Diddy

490
00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:47,320
Speaker 1: doc You know why because we're sitting here wanting to.

491
00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:49,720
Speaker 2: We're trying to yell accountability to Tyra.

492
00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:54,399
Speaker 1: But you had Miss Jay and you had j Manual,

493
00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:58,720
Speaker 1: plus you had the executive of upn All on the dock.

494
00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:01,560
Speaker 2: But they they were the victims as well.

495
00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:07,240
Speaker 1: No, they participated, they enabled, They continued to portray exactly

496
00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:08,800
Speaker 1: what it was that the show was supposed to be.

497
00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:10,480
Speaker 1: But what because they were getting a check, they were

498
00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:11,320
Speaker 1: they were victims too.

499
00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:16,320
Speaker 4: But the difference is is that j Manual, Miss Jay

500
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:19,600
Speaker 4: and uh, what's the other boy? What's the white boy name?

501
00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:23,679
Speaker 4: When they're talking about what's going on, they didn't do

502
00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:24,560
Speaker 4: no tap dancing.

503
00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:27,600
Speaker 3: Tyro was doing the fucking icky shuffle out of all

504
00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:28,240
Speaker 3: of that ship.

505
00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:33,520
Speaker 1: Dance too. They were acting like I was distraught. We

506
00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:37,720
Speaker 1: had to do this, like this is what the job was.

507
00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:41,560
Speaker 1: To me, it reminded me of capricorn bitch. Just because

508
00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:43,160
Speaker 1: you was getting the money and it was the job.

509
00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:44,639
Speaker 1: You're now the victim.

510
00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:46,080
Speaker 3: No don't, y'all.

511
00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:48,600
Speaker 1: Y'all all became the victim when y'all all let go

512
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:51,080
Speaker 1: and y'all decided to form a super team and complain

513
00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:53,240
Speaker 1: that now you were no longer receiving the check, you

514
00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:55,520
Speaker 1: were no longer a part of what was so amazing

515
00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:57,600
Speaker 1: because at the end of the day too, they literally

516
00:24:57,600 --> 00:24:59,960
Speaker 1: sat there was like that show was nothing without it.

517
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:00,879
Speaker 2: We created it.

518
00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:02,920
Speaker 1: They called us the Jay's at one point they even

519
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:05,879
Speaker 1: said that they were more noticeable together than Tyron was.

520
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:08,440
Speaker 1: And so to me, you can't sit here and play

521
00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:11,520
Speaker 1: victim as if y'all didn't portray all of these things happening.

522
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:15,040
Speaker 1: When we're bringing up the sexual assault on O gro

523
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:18,120
Speaker 1: that was dancing, Tyro was nowhere even on that set.

524
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:19,840
Speaker 1: It was Nigel and it was j Manual.

525
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:22,879
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, that part of it is not that particular

526
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:24,400
Speaker 4: part of it because of how it happened. That has

527
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:27,399
Speaker 4: nothing to do with Tyra directly. She wasn't there. Somebody

528
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:29,119
Speaker 4: on set was supposed to do that. But as far

529
00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:32,359
Speaker 4: as the other three, they're not victims of anything. But

530
00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:35,360
Speaker 4: at least they have the balls to say that shit

531
00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:35,879
Speaker 4: was wrong.

532
00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:37,400
Speaker 3: We don't have the balls to.

533
00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:38,919
Speaker 1: Say it because guess what, they're not about to be

534
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:40,200
Speaker 1: a Particycle twenty five.

535
00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:42,359
Speaker 4: Well, Tyron not gonna be part of Cycle twenty five

536
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:44,800
Speaker 4: because that shit is gonna flop because nobody cares anymore.

537
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:48,439
Speaker 1: I mean, I think this brought back people caring because

538
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:49,280
Speaker 1: the same way.

539
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:50,920
Speaker 3: In hip hop, this is a crazy way to get

540
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:53,000
Speaker 3: to re up your like.

541
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:57,159
Speaker 1: The same way that they're thing that has anticipation. People

542
00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:01,840
Speaker 1: hate watch, people hate listen and after seeing this doc

543
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:04,200
Speaker 1: I guarantee people are gonna be watching it with a

544
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:06,240
Speaker 1: like to see what it is, to see what it

545
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:08,560
Speaker 1: looked like like they brought back interest to the show.

546
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:12,480
Speaker 1: I think it's also interesting they decided and said that

547
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:14,000
Speaker 1: they would shoot this like a documentary.

548
00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:14,399
Speaker 3: Now.

549
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:17,920
Speaker 1: We talked about the makeovers, we talked about the one

550
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:23,240
Speaker 1: sexual assault. What I found really interesting was the shandy

551
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:31,080
Speaker 1: part because a few things I didn't know either. There's

552
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:34,959
Speaker 1: been another clip that's come out of her explaining the

553
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:39,879
Speaker 1: same thing that happened on another pod, and she's saying

554
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:42,440
Speaker 1: she wanted to have sex, that these guys were hot,

555
00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:46,560
Speaker 1: that she was gonna fuck that night, And so the

556
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:50,280
Speaker 1: conversation that I wish was happening around that scene in particular,

557
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:57,520
Speaker 1: is the drinking and sex conversation is really interesting because

558
00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:00,560
Speaker 1: you can absolutely want to fuck, you can absolute drink,

559
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 1: probably to intoxicate yourself and get to a point of blackout,

560
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:07,960
Speaker 1: which she says she's like after the jacuzzie, I blacked

561
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:12,719
Speaker 1: out and don't remember it. The conversation around consent now

562
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:15,720
Speaker 1: looks so much different than the conversation around consent then.

563
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:19,360
Speaker 1: But she technically consented, but can you really consent when

564
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 1: you're drunk? But also as someone who blacks out from drinking,

565
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:30,080
Speaker 1: a lot of people don't know your blackout moment. A

566
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:31,879
Speaker 1: lot of people are functioning.

567
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:35,560
Speaker 4: You're moving around, you're moving around time, and the people

568
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 4: around you don't know that you're now incoherent.

569
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:40,120
Speaker 2: And so it was interesting that.

570
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 1: This played out, but also more interesting to see her

571
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:48,160
Speaker 1: talk about it in present day because she's spoken about

572
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 1: it previously in a way that she just cheated on

573
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:54,120
Speaker 1: her man. But the lens from this documentaries was that

574
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:56,680
Speaker 1: she was great.

575
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:57,120
Speaker 3: Well, I don't know when.

576
00:27:57,520 --> 00:27:59,720
Speaker 4: I didn't see that clip, so I don't know when

577
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:01,359
Speaker 4: she did that interview.

578
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 3: But the truth of.

579
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:05,399
Speaker 4: The matter is maybe it took her a minute to

580
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:09,160
Speaker 4: even come to the understanding to realize, like, oh ship,

581
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:11,240
Speaker 4: because like it's a lot of people that you know.

582
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:13,920
Speaker 4: Even when Charlamagne tells your story about being assaulted by

583
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:16,119
Speaker 4: his he was like, I didn't know. I just thought

584
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:19,480
Speaker 4: it was, you know whatever, Like he's not really registering

585
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:21,879
Speaker 4: to you what is going on, and at some point

586
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:24,360
Speaker 4: or you know what's going on, and you're actively trying

587
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 4: to suppress it because you just can't mentally deal with

588
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:32,240
Speaker 4: whatever that experience is regret boyfriend.

589
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 3: Then, and that conversation was ugly. That ship. I was

590
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:37,880
Speaker 3: like having a call.

591
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 1: They really made they made her call her. They made

592
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:43,200
Speaker 1: like I cheated on your babe, did you?

593
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 4: She's on the floor like we've been balling, and I

594
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 4: was just like, but again, but that's why I'm saying, like,

595
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 4: I don't give none of them a pass.

596
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:57,080
Speaker 1: I wish I wish men men did the same. I

597
00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 1: wish they weeped and balled and got into a beat

598
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 1: a position, then they cheated. Niggas don't really respond like

599
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 1: we wanted to do that. He'd be like, hey man,

600
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:07,720
Speaker 1: I just fell into it like they do. Don't even

601
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 1: feel bad when.

602
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 4: She Well, the one one situation, if you're a black man,

603
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 4: don't cheat.

604
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:19,560
Speaker 3: Oh god, you know what a black boy's cheat? Different? Different,

605
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 3: I see what he did that.

606
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 1: Well, according to Clifton Powell, y'all are boys. So you're seventy, So.

607
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 3: He grew up.

608
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 1: I don't even know about love till you're seventy years old.

609
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:30,880
Speaker 1: That's crazy, it's crazy, it's crazy.

610
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 3: But but I mean I think that.

611
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 4: I think that in those situations when they told the girl,

612
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 4: you know, we have to film this, you got to

613
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 4: call them, and then Tyra was doing that slick ship.

614
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:47,480
Speaker 3: It was like, oh, we'll come and sit in and

615
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 3: about cheating. You know, we have to.

616
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 4: And I was like this, that's why I don't give

617
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:55,240
Speaker 4: her no past, because you know exactly what you're doing.

618
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 4: Like you can't go to Jerry Springer and be like, oh,

619
00:29:58,120 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 4: I didn't Jerry spring I didn't know what kind of

620
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 4: show different at that. No, nigga, you knew you was

621
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 4: making a show of functionhit and you knew that people

622
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 4: would be entertained by and you made it. Just say that,

623
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:09,480
Speaker 4: Just say that, don't try to act like this idea

624
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 4: that you didn't know.

625
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 3: Like, I know, culture is different. You're an adult, you're

626
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:14,400
Speaker 3: grown as we were.

627
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 1: You an adult.

628
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 2: But guess what, and let's let's put ourselves in the.

629
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 1: In the scenario real quick, right as Tyra.

630
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 2: No, No, not only.

631
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 1: Is Tyra, we're expecting her to genuinely give a fuck

632
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 1: or care about strangers. These aren't her friends. These are

633
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 1: people who signed up to be a part of a competition,

634
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 1: and a part of her job is to manipulate the

635
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:39,680
Speaker 1: scene the same way like you had Seanie O'Neil, who

636
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:43,640
Speaker 1: was playing puppeteer on Basketball Wives. It is no longer there.

637
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 1: You have certain people within the love and hip hop

638
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:48,960
Speaker 1: realm that were produced to do certain things, and producers

639
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 1: are telling you when you're responding on camera, like this

640
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:55,800
Speaker 1: idea that Tyra was just supposed to genuinely give a

641
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:59,000
Speaker 1: fuck about all these women in their upbringing, all these

642
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:01,920
Speaker 1: women in their insecure it's all these women. That's not reality.

643
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 1: Like I'm a I care deeply about my friends. Do

644
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 1: you think I give a fuck about some people that

645
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 1: I might just sit next to at a restaurant?

646
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:12,160
Speaker 3: Well, quite.

647
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 4: This idea if they order seventy dollars a steak, bro, you.

648
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 1: See what I say, right right, right right, you see

649
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 1: what I mean.

650
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 4: But with her, though, the thing is that I understand

651
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:27,400
Speaker 4: manipulation because that's kind of reality TV. But there even

652
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 4: manipulation has a line that they had to be a

653
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 4: standard somewhere, Like if the girl tells you in her

654
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 4: in her uh, in her, I guess I don't know.

655
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 4: Did they apply for the show? Whatever her video was that, yeah,

656
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 4: my mother was a victim of gun violence. And then

657
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 4: you do a makeover and you got me shot in

658
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 4: the head, leaned over for hours and hours and hours,

659
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 4: like you know, you're doing that on purpose, like that

660
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 4: that wasn't like, ah, we fucked up, We didn't.

661
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 3: We forgot that you said that about your mom, Like no,

662
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Speaker 3: you know, but even that.

663
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Speaker 2: She said, they didn't get the reaction they wanted out

664
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Speaker 2: of me.

665
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Speaker 1: So I mean to me, you also have to understand

666
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 1: and lean into just the emotional intelligence to some of

667
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 1: these girls. They did lean into the insecurities of these

668
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 1: women brow and it was also bro the modeling industry.

669
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 1: You heavily leaned on the most surface, like they didn't

670
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:22,719
Speaker 1: give them. Those girls admitted that they probably got too

671
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 1: drunk because they didn't want to eat a lot of

672
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 1: food that day because they had to be a certain size,

673
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 1: like your pressures of the pressures of what that industry

674
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 1: was was not built on morality. It was not built

675
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 1: on caring about people. It was bitch, can you fit

676
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 1: this sample size and walk? They didn't.

677
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 2: They didn't look at these girls as humans.

678
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Speaker 1: So the idea that this reality show was supposed to

679
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:46,960
Speaker 1: view them as humans, That entire industry was built on

680
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 1: literally physical appearance and walking and wearing the fashions.

681
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Speaker 2: That's it.

682
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Speaker 1: And so this idea that we expected. Tyro, who also

683
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Speaker 1: was a product of that environment, was supposed to come

684
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Speaker 1: in with the with just empathy and caring of how

685
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Speaker 1: she was supposed to show up in this space altogether.

686
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Speaker 3: Well, she seemed to fake care when she was yelling

687
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Speaker 3: the old girl and talking about we rooted for you.

688
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Speaker 4: She seemed to be all the black girls that we

689
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Speaker 4: go through. And I just saw so much potential and

690
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Speaker 4: I just didn't like that that came after.

691
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 2: I told girl, I don't want to cast another black bitch.

692
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Speaker 4: I was like, goddmn. Like Tyro was making TV. She

693
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 4: was making television. She knew she was making television, and

694
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Speaker 4: she and she was down to do whatever to make

695
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Speaker 4: that show.

696
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Speaker 3: It didn't matter at all.

697
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Speaker 4: And I'm not gonna I will never be convinced that

698
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Speaker 4: she didn't know the difference. She just said, fuck it,

699
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Speaker 4: I'm gonna make this TV show. Say say that with

700
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Speaker 4: your chest.

701
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Speaker 3: That's what it is.

702
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Speaker 2: And you know what's crazy, it's what everyone keeps saying.

703
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Speaker 1: And I think she did what's that. I think she

704
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:55,240
Speaker 1: said it wear her chest. This shit happened, But that

705
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Speaker 1: was the time, what allio, It was the time. It

706
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Speaker 1: was the time, and mind.

707
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 4: You, it wasn't enough. It was there wasn't enough. I

708
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 4: know how fucked up this was. I think it was

709
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:08,879
Speaker 4: a it was a It was an easy cop out

710
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 4: to just be like this is the time. You can

711
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 4: say this is the time because it was the time,

712
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:14,919
Speaker 4: but you can't. If I'm going to tell it, then

713
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:18,440
Speaker 4: I gotta tell it. Oh that's more Atlantic culture. You

714
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:21,880
Speaker 4: got to do say everything, say the whole thing of

715
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Speaker 4: what it is.

716
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:24,839
Speaker 3: Say this was the time. And like there was a.

717
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:28,719
Speaker 4: Lot of cultural sensitivities. We did race, We did race

718
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 4: swap twice, like the.

719
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Speaker 3: First time was and brought the kids, and brought the kids.

720
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Speaker 1: They had a white woman holding a black baby, bro

721
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Speaker 1: And then it didn't even make them babies, made them tall.

722
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Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, Like come on, fam, like you're not

723
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Speaker 4: you know what y'all was doing. Y'all know what y'all

724
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Speaker 4: was doing, and y'all chose otherwise. But just just say that,

725
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Speaker 4: I'm not.

726
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Speaker 2: Gonna hold you.

727
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Speaker 1: If y'all gonna be mad at Tyra, go ahead and

728
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Speaker 1: bring who the was it Joe Rogan because y'all love

729
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:02,719
Speaker 1: that nigga, but is he not a part of making

730
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 1: niggas eat cockroaches and ball testicles on TV, like if

731
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Speaker 1: we're really gonna.

732
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Speaker 4: Say you if you come and get some of them

733
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Speaker 4: Fear Factor contestants, but.

734
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Speaker 3: On Fear Factor, you're going to eat like dick and.

735
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Speaker 1: You know that you're going to compete. And after anyone

736
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 1: after season two of America's Next Top Models, you signed

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Speaker 1: up for the fuckery.

738
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Speaker 3: That's true.

739
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Speaker 1: Anyone after season one, once you saw in Fear Factor,

740
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Speaker 1: we're gonna have to lay and ship eat ship, do

741
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:38,520
Speaker 1: some high ship like whatever. Bro, you can't feel sorry,

742
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:40,879
Speaker 1: but you're not gonna tell me that people who had

743
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 1: fears of bugs and things and had to lay in

744
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 1: that ship. Bro, you're not gonna tell me people weren't

745
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 1: traumatized after Fear Factor.

746
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Speaker 3: Fear Factor and guess who out.

747
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 1: Here getting a hundred million dollar checks? Joe, who you're

748
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:56,720
Speaker 1: not gonna tell me wasn't a part of even knowing.

749
00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:59,799
Speaker 1: He didn't step in and say, hey, I don't think

750
00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 1: we should have people eating water bugs. This is just outrageous.

751
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:07,719
Speaker 1: He said, today, guys, we're going to be eating water bugs.

752
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 3: There would never there would never be a Fear factored documentary.

753
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:12,279
Speaker 3: What is like? Man, they made me eat some ship. Man,

754
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 3: they made me eat some Here's the thing.

755
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Speaker 1: As a comedian, as someone who's very right leaning, I

756
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:22,920
Speaker 1: guarantee you, Joe Rogan, if there's a documentary about is

757
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 1: not going to sit here and be like, I was wrong, Guys,

758
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:28,759
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. The way that we expect a black woman

759
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:31,400
Speaker 1: to show up and apologize and be accountable for goddamn

760
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 1: reality TV as if all of these white executives, as

761
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:37,359
Speaker 1: all of these white creatives were, and also hold on

762
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 1: the fact that a black man developed it.

763
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:42,440
Speaker 2: So now the scape go.

764
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Speaker 1: For all of these seasons, for all of the wrongdoings

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Speaker 1: during a time.

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Speaker 5: All Right, they used to call UPN Network years ago,

767
00:36:56,160 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 5: you people's network, what you pick a nigga want to?

768
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, because it was.

769
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Speaker 4: But that was the thing about it, Like, wasn't Top Model, Well,

770
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:06,359
Speaker 4: I don't know, did this show?

771
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 3: Like did they show Seventh Heaven and these type of

772
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:09,960
Speaker 3: shows on UPN.

773
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:14,959
Speaker 4: I feel like shows right Heaven was w W before

774
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 4: they turned into d P. Yeah, right before they turned

775
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 4: in Okay, they lost them.

776
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:22,759
Speaker 2: Then it became like what my wife kids and.

777
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:25,400
Speaker 3: My wife and kids and and what was it, Terry, No,

778
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 3: it was the it was a color pra thing. Wayne.

779
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, all I know is I saw the documentary. Y'all

780
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:37,920
Speaker 1: niggas ain't never gonna be happy. I'm gonna be watching

781
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:42,879
Speaker 1: Cycle twenty five. No, I won't. No, I could watch.

782
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 2: Everybody gonna watch it just so they could react.

783
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:46,880
Speaker 3: And that's the thing, maybe the first episode.

784
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 1: No, we're watching things to react, We're watching things to

785
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 1: be upset with, We're watching things to pick apart. What's

786
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 1: morally wrong is if we all do some morally wrong

787
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 1: ship in our whole lot, we're gonna find out you

788
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:03,440
Speaker 1: just cheated on your nigga. Whoever was listening, Girl, you

789
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 1: is cheating on somebody. You just sat here and didn't

790
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:13,360
Speaker 1: charge for that drink because you wanted more tip. Okay,

791
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:15,640
Speaker 1: I'm talking to the bartenders to sit here and don't

792
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:18,360
Speaker 1: bring everything up. I'm sitting here and talking to the

793
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:21,920
Speaker 1: people who are cheating, whether it be emotionally or physically,

794
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:24,719
Speaker 1: on their partners. I'm talking to the person who didn't

795
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 1: show up for their mama birthday. I'm talking to the

796
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 1: person who didn't send a baby shower gift to their

797
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 1: best friend. I'm talking like no one is completely one

798
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:35,239
Speaker 1: hundred percent morally correcting the.

799
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:35,759
Speaker 3: Thing they do.

800
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:38,279
Speaker 1: But you know what they do sit up here on

801
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 1: a high horse on the internet and be like, that

802
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:43,799
Speaker 1: person is so wrong, that person is so ignorant. That

803
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 1: person don't know no better. But you don't know no

804
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:47,360
Speaker 1: better for a lot of things too. And so this

805
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 1: idea that you expect people to just be held to

806
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 1: the fire into the ring of what they did ten

807
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:57,319
Speaker 1: fifteen twenty years ago. Think of what you were doing

808
00:38:57,360 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 1: ten fifteen twenty years ago.

809
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:01,400
Speaker 4: Oh no, anybody had some function shit. But if you

810
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:04,360
Speaker 4: get caught out on your funck shit, say it was me.

811
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:06,440
Speaker 4: You know what I'm gonna do, Say it was me?

812
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:07,319
Speaker 3: Are we are?

813
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 1: Let me know when y'all got a time machine, when

814
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:13,880
Speaker 1: we really invent the time machine. If you want to

815
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:16,399
Speaker 1: take me back to some shit, I said, bitch, let's

816
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:18,920
Speaker 1: go on a time machine, and that bitch can apologize,

817
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:23,239
Speaker 1: cause until then, what the fuck do you want from me?

818
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:24,800
Speaker 2: We in a different place.

819
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 1: I can't tell you where I was in my mind

820
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:30,839
Speaker 1: ten fifteen twenty years ago, because we were literally as

821
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 1: a whole in a different society. We don't allow people

822
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:35,279
Speaker 1: to evolve, and we want to hold people to the

823
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:38,320
Speaker 1: fire of things they did now, like people like Diddy,

824
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:43,319
Speaker 1: Bill Cosby R. Kelly, who were repeat offenders. I get it,

825
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 1: but that's where I'm like, let's wait until cycle twenty

826
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:49,240
Speaker 1: five comes out and see if Tyre genuinely learned from something.

827
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:53,000
Speaker 1: Until then, I'm sorry she answered the things that either

828
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 1: she answered either the way she should have legally or

829
00:39:57,440 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 1: the way a lot of us would have bro was

830
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 1: twenty years ago, which.

831
00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 4: Want Tyra violated for twenty four cycles. Now you want

832
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:05,719
Speaker 4: to get the twenty fifty It.

833
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 1: Was Kenya, it was it was it was the Asian

834
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:10,759
Speaker 1: man sitting up there.

835
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:12,120
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, all of them, uncle.

836
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 1: We want to put it on the black woman's shoulders.

837
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 3: That's coret.

838
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 4: It's her show. That's cool, it's your show. You put

839
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 4: your name on it is what it is. You're the

840
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:25,240
Speaker 4: star of that show.

841
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 1: That's crazy.

842
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:28,879
Speaker 3: She'd be all right, she got second twenty five coming out.

843
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 1: Can't wait. Hope you guys enjoyed the Doctor series if

844
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:35,839
Speaker 1: you haven't checked it out. Now, clearly we go lean

845
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:38,799
Speaker 1: into the ignorance of it all over here. I do not,

846
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:41,719
Speaker 1: and I just want to reiterate, I am not here

847
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:43,920
Speaker 1: for a woman just accepting to be sexually harassed. I

848
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:46,360
Speaker 1: do think that we need to speak up and Luckily

849
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:48,880
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty six, we do have the autonomy to

850
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:51,320
Speaker 1: feel safe to tell a nigga to back the fuck up.

851
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 3: And if not, shoot that nigga.

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00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:04,239
Speaker 1: But also just know that in today's just they don't

853
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 1: believe that you should also protect yourself.

854
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:08,719
Speaker 2: You're just allowed to keep telling them to back up.

855
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:10,759
Speaker 4: Back up, and if they don't back up, then you

856
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 4: just got to eat it.

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00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:14,719
Speaker 1: Gotta run, I don't know, but anyways, thank you guys

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Speaker 1: for tuning in to this bonus episode. We are going

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Speaker 1: to get into where we're talking about one thing only

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Speaker 1: and we have some new things hopefully coming way. I

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00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:24,879
Speaker 1: just love the ever evolving It's a beautiful thing thing

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00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 1: over here on Selective Ignorance, and I'm excited to give

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Speaker 1: you guys more. Nonetheless, make sure you guys, you know,

864
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:33,799
Speaker 1: don't drink and drive this weekend. And I'm gonna throw

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00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 1: out because we just talked about TV. If you guys

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Speaker 1: want to watch a really good show. I literally just

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00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:41,120
Speaker 1: binged the night Aga season three.

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Speaker 3: Which I need so good.

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Speaker 1: And hopefully next week, guys we get into episode one

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Speaker 1: of Paradise. Because it's bad baby, I ain't going out. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so y'all make sure y'all check out Paradise so that

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Speaker 1: we don't give you any spoilers. Thank you for tuning

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00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 1: into a bonus episode Selective Ignorance.

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Speaker 2: Baby In we out.

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