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Speaker 1: ladies and gentlemen, It's me Jason McIntyre, Straight Fire for Thursday,

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Speaker 1: April twenty second. What a night in the NBA. So

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Speaker 1: many crazy games, madness occurring all over the place. The

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Speaker 1: Trey Young got hurt too and doesn't look good for

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Speaker 1: the Hawks. But again, we're not here to break down

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Speaker 1: every single NBA regular season game. As much as rob

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Speaker 1: for fourteen from deep only scored eighteen points. As much

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Speaker 1: as you guys want to beat up Curry for that,

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Speaker 1: go for it, that's fine, that's fine, you know, go

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Speaker 1: fire away, let it all out, get it off your chest.

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Speaker 1: We've got a great podcast for you, and it has

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Speaker 1: nothing to do with the NBA. I gotta give credit

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Speaker 1: where credit is due. Rob G found an awesome guest

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Speaker 1: for the NFL Draft. A lot of you like Warren Sharp,

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Speaker 1: to today's guest. His name is Daniel Kelly. He is

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Speaker 1: a former UH scout with the New York Jets, dating

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Speaker 1: back to the Bill Parcels area. He was in the

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Speaker 1: league for a minute and now he is writing for

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Speaker 1: si dot com, a blog covering the NFL for them,

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Speaker 1: And um, I just gotta say you guys know, if

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Speaker 1: like the haters. I'm like, come on, guys, life is

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Speaker 1: too short to hate. Okay, It's just too It is

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Speaker 1: like life is good. For instance, yesterday I played about

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Speaker 1: dive into too much stuff because we've got a great interview.

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Speaker 1: But just sit back by the way, another headliner guests coming.

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Speaker 1: If you thought Warren Sharp was good, we had Jake

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Speaker 1: Friday's guest is a big one. Okay, So I want

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Speaker 1: you to today enjoy Daniel Kelly and we talked about

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Speaker 1: the NFL Draft. He is a big hater. He does

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Speaker 1: imagine how this goes. Listen. I like challenging people. Um,

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Speaker 1: there are a lot of challenges in this podcast. I

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Speaker 1: hope you guys enjoy it. Remember subscribe, rate and review.

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Speaker 1: Here's our guest, Daniel Kelly. Jason likes to think he

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Speaker 1: knows everything when it comes to sports. I know what

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Speaker 1: a guy who does. Let's just say I know a

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Speaker 1: guy who knows a guy who knows another guy. All right,

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Speaker 1: let's welcome into straight fire. It's draft season, people, and

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Speaker 1: we're bringing in a unique voice. Here. We had Warren

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Speaker 1: you know, we're always trying to bring in unique voices guys.

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Speaker 1: And Daniel, I'm gonna I'm gonna come out right out

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Speaker 1: guy like like Mac Jones, um you know, I think

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Speaker 1: I think he would do well. So I like him.

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Speaker 1: I like Justin Fields, and I also have an affinity

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Speaker 1: I think I got where why you like some of

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Speaker 1: these quarterbacks, Danny Daniel Um, let me ask you this.

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Speaker 1: Did you like Josh Allen coming out of Wyoming? I

435
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Speaker 1: did not evaluate him coming out of Wyoming. In all fairness,

436
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Speaker 1: I'm going on a small sample size. Yeah, Josh Allen

437
00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:41,000
Speaker 1: was extremely good. He's proven me wrong. I was not

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Speaker 1: a believer coming out of Wyoming. Um, but it almost

439
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Speaker 1: sounds like you're gravitating towards like big names, big schools,

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Speaker 1: big coaches, and you know, you know I In one

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Speaker 1: of your right ups, you said, like Jack Wilson didn't

442
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Speaker 1: play anybody. I would agree, but Ben Roethlisberger Miami of

443
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Speaker 1: Ohio coming out not really mobile. I mean, okay, Scrambler

444
00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:02,520
Speaker 1: played a bad UH schedule. Kurt Water it was like

445
00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:05,840
Speaker 1: bagging groceries. Brett for Southern. It's like there's been a

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Speaker 1: lot of guys who have come through and become superstars.

447
00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:11,480
Speaker 1: I mean, Tony Romo was never a superstar, but he

448
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Speaker 1: was a very good quarterback out of Easter Little Illinois.

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Speaker 1: How much value do you put in small school guys

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Speaker 1: versus the big school guys. It doesn't marry me where

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Speaker 1: a guy really it's good comes from I mean, I know,

452
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Speaker 1: it's the first time we've ever spoken. It's just a

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Speaker 1: it's a feeling. It's it's just when I watched the tape.

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Speaker 1: But I turned the tape, it's like, yeah, this guy

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Speaker 1: has got it. This guy doesn't. So I don't play

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Speaker 1: a lot of that into it. I I look at

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Speaker 1: the at the mechanics. I look at the technical aspects

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Speaker 1: of the quarterback position, and I look at the ball

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Speaker 1: placement accuracy, and I look at at the intangibles. I

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Speaker 1: mean that those are you know, like like when I

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Speaker 1: was with the Jets, Um, you know, I had one

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Speaker 1: major interaction with coach Parcelves when we sat out with

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Speaker 1: me one day. It was only him and I in

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Speaker 1: the lunch room, and um, he said, hey, listen, I mean,

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Speaker 1: and when he spoke you listen, you know, and he said,

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Speaker 1: if there's one thing I want you to do here, Daniel,

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Speaker 1: it's to learn the critic cool factors of scouting. And

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Speaker 1: I didn't even know what he was talking about. I

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Speaker 1: was like, well, thank you, coach, and and but I

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Speaker 1: later came to find out these are the intangibles, these

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Speaker 1: are the things that are not seen. And so when

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Speaker 1: I'm watching the film to your to your question, Jason,

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Speaker 1: I'm looking at guys that if it resonates with me

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Speaker 1: or or it does and it doesn't matter so much,

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Speaker 1: but school they come from. Now one of the big

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Speaker 1: things for Bill Parcels this is going back, I don't know,

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Speaker 1: thirty years or more quarterback drafting rules. Everybody's applied this

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Speaker 1: to a lot of the quarterbacks the last couple of years.

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Speaker 1: Bill Parcels wanted a three year starter, right. He wanted

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Speaker 1: someone who graduate from school starting a minimum of thirty games.

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Speaker 1: He wanted at least sixty completions Like Josh Allen didn't

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Speaker 1: take any of those boxes, at least in memory serves.

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Speaker 1: He still is on track to you know. I mean

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Speaker 1: he was an MVP candidate this past year. Um, Trevor

485
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Speaker 1: Lawrence fits check several of these boxes. You don't like him.

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Speaker 1: Matt Jones checks none of uh and you love him.

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Speaker 1: That's you know. I almost wonder if mac Jones had

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Speaker 1: been good enough to beat out hurt Or two ah,

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Speaker 1: and we had two years, like, would we be picking

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Speaker 1: apart Mac Jones? Well, he wasn't that good. I mean,

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Speaker 1: have you looked at the Auburn game? Uh? Not this

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Speaker 1: past year. But the year but prior, I mean I

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Speaker 1: think he had a sixty yard pick six and then

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Speaker 1: a one yard pick six and you watch that and

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Speaker 1: you're like, wow, this guy he ain't got it. Now

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Speaker 1: he did bounce back strong this year. Um, but I

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Speaker 1: guess any final thoughts on on you know, the quarterback

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Speaker 1: situation in this draft? You where are you on trade

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Speaker 1: lance Trey Lance? I haven't the UFA on drafted free agent.

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Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm not big on Tray Lance at all.

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Speaker 1: Trey Lance is a guy that when I first I

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Speaker 1: did a fall evaluation on him, Jason and I did

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Speaker 1: a spring evaluation on because I was on a podcast

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Speaker 1: last fall and someone brought him up to me. So

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Speaker 1: I looked at him and I said to myself, you

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Speaker 1: know what this this is a poor man's version a

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Speaker 1: Doman McNab. He's a guy that's got average playing speed

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Speaker 1: on his feet, he's got average arm strength. Uh, he's

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Speaker 1: pretty you know, sometimes a erradic. The accuracy is not there.

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Speaker 1: It just seemed like he ran kind of a version

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Speaker 1: of the option offense. I said to myself, you know,

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Speaker 1: this is probably a fifth or sixth round draft pick.

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Speaker 1: Somebody can maybe make the practice squad. Somebody maybe has

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Speaker 1: a little bit of upside you can work with, can

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Speaker 1: run the scout team. Um. Then all of a sudden,

516
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Speaker 1: this explosion happened like like like just I mean, he came,

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Speaker 1: he went, went to the first round discussion like on

518
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Speaker 1: an America like wide basis, and I was stunned. I've

519
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Speaker 1: never seen I've never seen. Um, you know, someone tried

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Speaker 1: to manufacture a first round draft pick more than trade Lance.

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Speaker 1: I mean they have a couple pro days. He throws

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Speaker 1: the ball in jim shorts, he throws it to his buddies,

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Speaker 1: he rolls out, he does this that the other and

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Speaker 1: everybody all of a sudden thinks that he's you know,

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Speaker 1: it's to me, it's amazing because it is. If anything,

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Speaker 1: he reminds me of like a Jason camp Uh in

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Speaker 1: this shown you know Kaiser who who? But without the

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Speaker 1: arm strength, Um, you know, Lances that would have been

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Speaker 1: way better. Uh what do you go to Green Bay? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Well first and Jason Campbell was a starter I think

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Speaker 1: on an undefeated Auburn team. Um well wait, let me

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Speaker 1: let me quickly ask you on Lance, like you keep

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Speaker 1: using the word feeling to describe some of this. Uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, Matt Jones feeling on Trevor Lawrence, where are

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Speaker 1: you on the analytics because you know the analytics crowd

536
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:34,280
Speaker 1: which looks at some of the traits that these guys

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Speaker 1: have with hand size and measurement and uh t D

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Speaker 1: interception ratio and all that fun stuff. Um, the analytics

539
00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:43,880
Speaker 1: look pretty good on trade Lands. Yeah. I know he's

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Speaker 1: super young, and he's probably a guy who needs to

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Speaker 1: sit for a year maybe two. Um, but I don't

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Speaker 1: know where are you on the analytics versus feeling. I

543
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Speaker 1: know football, and we talked about this with Warren Sharp.

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Speaker 1: Football is heading towards analytics. Baseball has been there for

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Speaker 1: two decades. Basketball super popular and aalytics over the last

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Speaker 1: you know, seven eight years, and it's starting to come

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Speaker 1: to football. How do you marry analytics and feeling? Well,

548
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:10,040
Speaker 1: you look at it and you see if the tow

549
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Speaker 1: actually emerge on film and and so, I mean I

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Speaker 1: look at some of that stuff. I'm not somebody into

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Speaker 1: your point Chas, And you're right, the game is headed

552
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Speaker 1: more towards analytics, um, and uh in the study analytics,

553
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 1: I think the Cleveland Browns are kind of the front

554
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Speaker 1: runners with that with what with what they're doing there

555
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:29,359
Speaker 1: and the whole moneyball thing and everything else. Um, you know,

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Speaker 1: I think that you know to to do you just

557
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Speaker 1: look at I mean there there's some some you know,

558
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:36,000
Speaker 1: just look at the numbers and the measurements. I've never

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Speaker 1: been that guy that just you know, I look at

560
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Speaker 1: the heart of the player. I look at the intangibles.

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Speaker 1: I look at the feeling. That's just the kind of

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Speaker 1: who I am. I'm kind of an instinctial scout. Uh,

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Speaker 1: It's it's you know, when when I look at the

564
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Speaker 1: analytics part. But I remember, you know, having a conversation

565
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Speaker 1: and my Jets interview when I walked in there. I'm

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Speaker 1: surprised to this day I got the job because in

567
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Speaker 1: my draft book I sell publishing sounds, my resume three

568
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Speaker 1: age book and all the prospects, all the teams that

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Speaker 1: that's what the Jets called me in on and for

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Speaker 1: my interview and my first part of my interview, all

571
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Speaker 1: of a sudden, I walked into the into the building,

572
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Speaker 1: and my first part of my interview was with Dick Hayley,

573
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Speaker 1: who's a scouting legend, a guy who's been in the

574
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Speaker 1: league for like forty years at this point was the

575
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Speaker 1: architect in the nineteen seventies Pittsburgh Steelers dynasty. And walk

576
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Speaker 1: in his office. He's got one of the Super Bowl

577
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:24,400
Speaker 1: rings on salt pepper hair, nice sue tailored walks up. Hey,

578
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Speaker 1: welcome to the Jets. You know, all of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: there's this little round table sing in the back of

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Speaker 1: the room, and there's since my book open and uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, all of a sudden it's open to the

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Speaker 1: page that the guy they drafted it they had a

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Speaker 1: high second round pick that they didn't have a first

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Speaker 1: rounder because they said to New England for ourselves. But

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Speaker 1: with their first you know, their first pick they had

586
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:44,719
Speaker 1: was a high second. They drafted a defensive end. If

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Speaker 1: you recall the name of all Dorian Booze on a

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Speaker 1: Washington state. Yeah, and and so so all of a

589
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 1: sudden and you know, they draft him as their top pick.

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Speaker 1: And in my draft book I set up, you know,

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Speaker 1: my resume be that they called me in the half

592
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Speaker 1: by interview with UH and was laying in front of me.

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Speaker 1: I rated Dorian Booze was an uncraftable reject. You know.

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Speaker 1: So so here I'm here, I'm saying here, I'm saying

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Speaker 1: as with scouting a legend. And and he's you know,

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Speaker 1: a very gracious, very comfortable his own skin. You know,

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Speaker 1: he's telling me stories about how you know, Dorian had

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Speaker 1: a you know, the biggest hand size me and Joe Green,

599
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Speaker 1: and this is a guy that drafted Terry Bradshaw and

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Speaker 1: Frankel Harris and all that, and Lynd Swan and all

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Speaker 1: the grads and you know, Stalworth and and and I'm

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Speaker 1: listening to the hand. He told me all about the

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Speaker 1: analytics to measurements, all the stuff Dorian had. And he

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Speaker 1: looked at me and he said, just on curiosity, why

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Speaker 1: do you feel the way that you feel? And you know,

606
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Speaker 1: and he had this conversation with me. I said, listen,

607
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Speaker 1: the guy just didn't play with hard. I thought he

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Speaker 1: was too soft at the point I didn't think he

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Speaker 1: had any fight in him. And and you know, it

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00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 1: was amazing. And he just kind of sat there with

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Speaker 1: a little grin on his face and shook his hand

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Speaker 1: and said, well, we'll see. I appreciate your respect, your opinion.

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00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 1: You did the work on him. And he turned out

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Speaker 1: to be Parcel's biggest frustration during my time there. He

615
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:56,560
Speaker 1: was always a guy they were doing the Texas thing

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Speaker 1: when they call him in you know the whistle, they

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Speaker 1: call him at the center and you know that there

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Speaker 1: and the pounded on each other, and it was I

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Speaker 1: think they called that the Oklahoma drill. I just looked

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Speaker 1: this up. Dorry and Booze forty four games as a

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Speaker 1: defensive end in the NFL second round pick zero sacks. UM,

622
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Speaker 1: So that one didn't quite pan out. Now that year

623
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Speaker 1: prior the Jets. Now you you got there before the

624
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Speaker 1: ninety seven draft or after after I got there, and

625
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 1: it was the summer of the season, right before the

626
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Speaker 1: an f C championship run that year with ourselves, I'm

627
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Speaker 1: guessing they didn't um. They didn't have a first round

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Speaker 1: pick in ninety eight for whatever reason, but Scott Frost

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Speaker 1: that the college football coach went in the third round. Uh.

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Speaker 1: That draft was not very kind to them, although they

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Speaker 1: did get Jason Fabini, a tackle I had a nice career.

632
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Speaker 1: And then in nine they were just they went over basically.

633
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Speaker 1: I mean, Randy Thomas is starting guard, but that's it.

634
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Speaker 1: Nobody else did anything. And then two thousand, were you

635
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Speaker 1: there in two thousand or no? Yes, Okay, that was

636
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Speaker 1: a good draft. They got Shaun Ellis in the first

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Speaker 1: round and John A. Braham back to back at twelve

638
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Speaker 1: and thirteen defensive ends. Um Abraham, is he in the

639
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Speaker 1: Hall of Fame? If not, he should be probably close, right, Yeah, yeah,

640
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Speaker 1: obviously Chad Hinnington, did you like him coming out of Marshall?

641
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 1: I didn't get chest to see chat. I was so

642
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 1: submersed in pro scouting. I mean literally we worked, you know,

643
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 1: about twelve and seventeen hours a day in pro. We

644
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 1: supported the college departments. But there was I mean there

645
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 1: was so much to do and so much to watch.

646
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:27,240
Speaker 1: I mean it was around the clock, around the calendar,

647
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 1: eleven months of the year. There was so much. I mean,

648
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Speaker 1: there's so much different things to study. A salary cap

649
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Speaker 1: free agency, um, you know, uh all I was in

650
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Speaker 1: charge of all the boards, like making all the boards.

651
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:39,479
Speaker 1: I worked with Mike Tannebaum, you know, playing a salary

652
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 1: cap board together. Um, you know, in Scott Pioli's you know,

653
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 1: hit his board, keeping all the roster straight, all the

654
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 1: all the making all the player profile tapes. I mean

655
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Speaker 1: they're you know, getting checking wings whatever they wanted me

656
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Speaker 1: to do it. For game playing, it was always something

657
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 1: to do. Go get a player at the airport, do this,

658
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 1: do that. So there wasn't really any per se downtime.

659
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 1: And then my third season I became the special team

660
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 1: scout with the Jet and that was all just I

661
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 1: wrote that three page both of value every every kickoff,

662
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 1: kickoff return, punt punt returner player in the NFL, and

663
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 1: so I mean this is all consuming. So I mean

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Speaker 1: there's more prospects than there is time unfortunately. Yeah, that's incredible.

665
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Speaker 1: I mean it kind of sounds like fun. Let me

666
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Speaker 1: what one final thing on the analytics versus the feeling?

667
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 1: So UM one of the big analytical measures UM is spark,

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Speaker 1: sp A r a Q and you know they're able

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Speaker 1: to take hand size, the three cone whatever all the

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Speaker 1: numbers are and they put them in a UM formula

671
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 1: and it spits out numbers. So a guy like Jason

672
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 1: on Way, oh wait sorry, the defensive end edge rusher

673
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:42,440
Speaker 1: from Penn State at zero sacks last year, no sacks,

674
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 1: which is crazy, how do you draft the guy? But

675
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 1: the analytics in terms of his forty time and the

676
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 1: shuttle and all that stuff, he's off the charts. How

677
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 1: do you handle an analysis for a guy like Jason Oway. Well,

678
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 1: that's the thing is is I I lean heavily on

679
00:32:57,840 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 1: the film, you know, so that that's really what this

680
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 1: comes down to, you know, I mean Jerry Glanville, I mean,

681
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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna go as far as as he did

682
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 1: with some of the stuff by the old coach of

683
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 1: the Falcons. You know, he called the NFL scouting combine

684
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 1: the underwear Olympics. You know, it's it's and and and

685
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 1: Jerry Glanville got run on the NFL in a rail.

686
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 1: So I don't want to go too far with this stuff.

687
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:18,960
Speaker 1: But but you know, the thing of it is is

688
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 1: that you know, it's a game of football, and that's

689
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Speaker 1: what I'm most interesting. I want to see a guy

690
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Speaker 1: where the pads, put on the helmet, debuncle the cham

691
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 1: strap and go. Um. I mean, you know, watching a

692
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 1: guy run through run around cones and jump and do

693
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 1: all these kinds of things. I mean, there's a time

694
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Speaker 1: and a place for it. Um. You know. I think

695
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 1: the real thing I like to see off the field

696
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:39,720
Speaker 1: is the interviews. I like, you know, the idea of

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Speaker 1: a chance to look a guy in the eyes, that

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Speaker 1: asking questions and kind of get a feel for where

699
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:45,040
Speaker 1: his heart, where he's going. When it's convictions are and

700
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 1: what is what is what's his motives are? But I

701
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 1: mean as far as the analytics and all the drills

702
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 1: and all stuff, I think more teams have made mistakes,

703
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 1: you know, relying on the analytics solely, like you're talking

704
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Speaker 1: about with him that the kid from Penn State. I

705
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:00,479
Speaker 1: think they've relied on the nlics too. Touch. I think

706
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 1: that you know players, you know, teams have fallen in

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00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 1: love with guys at the scouting combine, especially at the

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Speaker 1: pro days. Um. You know, I mean trade Lance out

709
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:10,440
Speaker 1: there running around me. There's no defensive pressure anything. I

710
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 1: want to see what the guy looks like. I mean

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Speaker 1: anybody could. I mean, I venture to say, any able

712
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 1: bodied college quarterback in America to go out there and

713
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:19,800
Speaker 1: make the throws, the trade lances making with Jim shirts

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Speaker 1: on with his friends and the dome inside. You know,

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00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 1: it's something where I want to see what a guy

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Speaker 1: looks like on your tape about yeah, mostly with you,

717
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 1: but I would, I would. I would argue if you

718
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 1: put Mac Jones at North Dakota State and you put

719
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Speaker 1: Tray Lance at Alabama, are we looking at a totally

720
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:41,279
Speaker 1: different situation? Maybe given the structure, because and listen. I'm

721
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:42,840
Speaker 1: with you on the tape. Obviously, you gotta watch and

722
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:45,759
Speaker 1: see if the trades match up with the production and

723
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 1: the schemes. But certain guys, under certain incredible coaches um

724
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 1: can look great. And we know Saban to an extent

725
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 1: has worned down his players to the point that when

726
00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 1: they get to the NFL, there's nothing left. You know,

727
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 1: he grind of the dusk that that's a speculative on

728
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:04,400
Speaker 1: a lot of deffensive push. I'll get you out of

729
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 1: here on this because we've gone too long. I'm sure,

730
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Speaker 1: I know you've got a lot of stuff to do.

731
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Speaker 1: But Daniel, give me a guy who I don't know,

732
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 1: not first round, not getting any noise, but you know,

733
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:16,360
Speaker 1: maybe a midround prospect who people have heard of that

734
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 1: you absolutely love. That he is not getting enough love

735
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 1: right now. Well, you could talk about a couple of guys.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Kyle Trask is a guy that that's you know,

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00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 1: we've heard him go anywhere from the first and the

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Speaker 1: fourth round. Trask is a lot of We've got a

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00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:31,319
Speaker 1: lot of intangibles. There's a lot you know that It's

740
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:34,720
Speaker 1: kind of funny because he does he's very inconsistent. He'll

741
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:36,759
Speaker 1: do the same thing very well, and he'll do the

742
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:38,840
Speaker 1: act same thing not so well. But he's got this

743
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 1: intangible to him of being a winner. So I mean,

744
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:43,360
Speaker 1: that's one name off throughout this guy. I don't know

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00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:45,920
Speaker 1: where he's gonna land. But you know, I don't know

746
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:47,719
Speaker 1: about a mid round guy first saying, but when you

747
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 1: first mentioned the question, the guy that really jumps out

748
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:53,360
Speaker 1: that I'm shocked it's not in the first round discussion

749
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 1: is a running back from North Carolina who I love

750
00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:01,319
Speaker 1: Javonte Williams. Javonte Williams is my pick for Rookie of

751
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 1: the Year. I'll come on your show and first guy

752
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 1: first rounder. Right, Well, I've heard anywhere from second maybe

753
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:10,879
Speaker 1: possibly you know, high third, maybe in the first round

754
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 1: discussion that you know, everyone's so afraid to take a

755
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 1: running back these days in the first round. You can

756
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 1: give me any time type of thing. Um, you know,

757
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 1: I think a guy like Javonte Williams. I mean, this

758
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 1: is somebody who's a very tough runner. He's got some

759
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 1: Walter Payton in him. I mean what I mean by

760
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:28,279
Speaker 1: that he'll kind of you kind of look okay, oh yeah,

761
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 1: it's gonna get good. He can kind of look at

762
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 1: the defender he wants to run him over. I mean,

763
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:36,719
Speaker 1: he's a very tough, aggressive, dominant runner who's got very

764
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 1: good at hands and when we can catch the ball

765
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:40,800
Speaker 1: in the backfield and so what I mean good at hands.

766
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 1: I mean he's not just a checkdown safety bell. But

767
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:44,920
Speaker 1: this is a guy who can go deep along the

768
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 1: sidelines as well. Um. I think he's Aaron Jones only better. Um.

769
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Speaker 1: And I think if a team like the Pittsburgh Steelers

770
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 1: were to take him, I think he'll run him straight

771
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:55,879
Speaker 1: into the playoffs. This is a guy who I think

772
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 1: is gonna be a really good running back and somebody

773
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 1: I really look at as is being is being that

774
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:03,279
Speaker 1: guy that maybe he's not getting a lot of love

775
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 1: right now or talked about a lot. But this is

776
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 1: gonna be a guy that's gonna make a loud noise

777
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 1: and I venture to say, become a household name in America.

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00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 1: So you would take him over Naj Harris from Mount Yes,

779
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:17,799
Speaker 1: and over E T. N from Clemson. Yes, bullish all right,

780
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:20,279
Speaker 1: Javonte Wives, that's the guy to watch. Rookie of the Year. Hey,

781
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:23,319
Speaker 1: Daniel Kelly, thanks so much for the time. I love this.

782
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:27,359
Speaker 1: I do love chopping it up divergent opinions. I respect it. Um,

783
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:29,319
Speaker 1: you have to do the homework right you know, Yeah,

784
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:32,840
Speaker 1: me too, Jets guy. All right, Daniel, keep up the

785
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 1: good work and enjoy the draft. Sounds good. Thank you

786
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 1: so much, Jason for down and privilege of being on

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Speaker 1: your show today