1 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:14,760 Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to woke FF Daily with 2 00:00:14,840 --> 00:00:20,840 Speaker 1: Meet your Girl Danielle Moody, recording live from my Brooklyn Cilarium. Folks, 3 00:00:21,680 --> 00:00:27,000 Speaker 1: you know this country is just one big fucking cesspool. 4 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:30,400 Speaker 1: The other day on Twitter, I said that what is 5 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:34,080 Speaker 1: transpiring right now and our culture and our political climate 6 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:41,360 Speaker 1: makes cesspools look like natural springs. Um. The performative bullshit 7 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:44,559 Speaker 1: that Kevin McCarthy did on the floor at the end 8 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:50,400 Speaker 1: of last week was so disgraceful, so foolish. I mean, 9 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:56,040 Speaker 1: are we are we what trying to filibuster giving children 10 00:00:56,240 --> 00:01:00,320 Speaker 1: the care that they need, giving parents child tax credit 11 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:03,160 Speaker 1: so that you know, they don't go broke while trying 12 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:05,759 Speaker 1: to also work, put food on the table and pay 13 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:10,399 Speaker 1: their mortgages. Like I just, I'm so confused every single 14 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:16,200 Speaker 1: day about what the Republican message is outside of hate, obstruction, 15 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:22,760 Speaker 1: white supremacy, misogyny, islamophobia, transphobia, homophobia, you name it, they 16 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:28,840 Speaker 1: claim it. Right. You have Matt Gates, who is a despicable, disgusting, 17 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:34,000 Speaker 1: fucking sexual predator right now, who is saying that he 18 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:39,200 Speaker 1: is going to offer a congressional internship, which mind you, 19 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 1: Let me just remind people because I think that folks 20 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:46,280 Speaker 1: like don't necessarily know unless you've lived inside of the Beltway, 21 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:52,120 Speaker 1: that a congressional internship, a fellowship on Capitol Hill used 22 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:58,280 Speaker 1: to be something that was distinguished, prestigious. Right. I myself 23 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:02,600 Speaker 1: was a fellow on Capitol Hill many many many moons ago, 24 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:06,640 Speaker 1: when you know we had a functioning, fucking government. Right. 25 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:10,919 Speaker 1: But for Matt Gates of all fucking people to signal 26 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:16,120 Speaker 1: that he would welcome a murderer as a congressional aid 27 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:20,800 Speaker 1: just shows you that there is absolutely no bottom. And 28 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:24,520 Speaker 1: when I say that, I want people to remain vigilant 29 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 1: because you see, when people have nothing to lose, when 30 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 1: there is no bottom, when they have decided, as later 31 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:36,720 Speaker 1: our guest Glenn Kirshner will remind us, when they have chosen, 32 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:41,440 Speaker 1: excuse me, lawlessness. When lawlessness is where we are going, 33 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:45,320 Speaker 1: then everyone should be concerned. And I'm not saying that 34 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:49,240 Speaker 1: we should live our lives in fear, right, in fear 35 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:53,240 Speaker 1: of retaliation from the Republican Party, as they want to 36 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:57,440 Speaker 1: do over Paul Goser getting censured because he's a violent 37 00:02:57,520 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 1: piece of shit, Right, who thinks said it's okay to 38 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:05,920 Speaker 1: post videos about murdering one of your fucking colleagues. Let 39 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:08,960 Speaker 1: me tell you something. You wouldn't have a job at 40 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 1: a fast food fucking chain if you had put out 41 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:14,520 Speaker 1: some hot shit like that. And the fact that that 42 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:19,640 Speaker 1: motherfucker is still able to sit in Congress now toothless 43 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:22,920 Speaker 1: right because he has no power, But the fact that 44 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 1: he still has a job and is collecting a check 45 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 1: from the taxpayers of this goddamn country. I'm like, miss 46 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:34,000 Speaker 1: me with the bullshit, right, because if you could not 47 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:39,480 Speaker 1: act in the way that the Laura Beaubert's, the Paul Gosers, 48 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:42,720 Speaker 1: the Marshary Taylor Greens, if you couldn't act like that 49 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:46,200 Speaker 1: at a fast food chain, at a big box fucking 50 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 1: store and think that you were going to keep your job, 51 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:52,080 Speaker 1: then how the fuck are we allowing these people to 52 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 1: continue to be referred to as members of Congress? How 53 00:03:56,000 --> 00:04:00,080 Speaker 1: were you not expelled? You know, the more that I 54 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 1: see this party, this cult act a fool, the more 55 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 1: that I see them embrace violence, right, and cruelty and 56 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 1: mayhem as their choice of action, the more that I'm like, 57 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:21,719 Speaker 1: where are the guardrails? You know, the founding fathers of 58 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:25,599 Speaker 1: this nation, right, those that founded this nation on the 59 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 1: backs and the brutality right of the you know, indigenous 60 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 1: population that was already here could not have FORESI could 61 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:40,040 Speaker 1: not foresee the fuckery that we are in right now, 62 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 1: because I don't think that, even for as vile of 63 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:49,560 Speaker 1: slaveholders and masters that they were, I don't think that 64 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:56,240 Speaker 1: they foresaw a party that would literally, legitimately work tirelessly 65 00:04:56,480 --> 00:05:01,800 Speaker 1: to undermine the very principles that they were created. You know, 66 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:07,679 Speaker 1: I continue to wonder what happened to like raucous debate 67 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:13,800 Speaker 1: that was steeped in deep policy right and ideology, when 68 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:18,239 Speaker 1: we would actually watch our leaders go back and forth, 69 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 1: not with barbs and insults and attacks against people's character, 70 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:27,640 Speaker 1: but instead about whether or not you were actually offering 71 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:32,160 Speaker 1: up something of note of importance to the American people 72 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 1: that would change their day to day lives. What happened 73 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 1: to that? You know? I am not too old, right 74 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:46,719 Speaker 1: or too young to remember a time when that was 75 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:51,320 Speaker 1: the norm, but I feel like that died when Obama 76 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 1: was elected to office. No, and actually, if we go 77 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:57,279 Speaker 1: back even further, because we remember that this was the 78 00:05:57,360 --> 00:06:03,159 Speaker 1: party that impeached Bill Clinton for a fucking blowjob, but 79 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:07,840 Speaker 1: refused to impeach Donald Trump for trying to overthrow the government, 80 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 1: or trying to pressure and persuade a foreign leader with 81 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:15,800 Speaker 1: all of the evidence in front of them, a blowjob 82 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 1: was much more damaging to the country than an attempted 83 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:26,600 Speaker 1: coup everywhere that we look right now, everywhere from our 84 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:31,440 Speaker 1: judicial system right and the lackluster department of justice that 85 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:35,279 Speaker 1: we have who you know, we have come to understand 86 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:41,680 Speaker 1: Merrick Garland as a man of little passion, of little urgency, 87 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:48,720 Speaker 1: of someone who is so steeped in preserving an institution, 88 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:53,039 Speaker 1: but not the integrity of that institution, not restoring the 89 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 1: faith in our agencies at least right at least in 90 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:04,840 Speaker 1: the in the perception that justice will be served against 91 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 1: those who break the law. We don't even have that. 92 00:07:08,839 --> 00:07:12,680 Speaker 1: We're holding onto that by a fucking threat of right now. 93 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 1: You know, I get that Democrats want to, you know, 94 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:23,560 Speaker 1: talk about policy. I get that policy is important. And 95 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:26,560 Speaker 1: the infrastructure bill that was passed and the human infrastructure 96 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 1: bill that is coming up right behind it, these things 97 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:32,840 Speaker 1: are important. But I have got to state once again 98 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:38,200 Speaker 1: that there is nothing more important to our nation right 99 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 1: now than securing our democracy. And you do that by 100 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:48,120 Speaker 1: bringing those who threaten our democracy who's still in this 101 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:53,239 Speaker 1: slow moving coup that is happening, that you take them, 102 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:58,800 Speaker 1: you take them right out. And I don't mean in 103 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:01,440 Speaker 1: a violent middle what in a violent way. I don't 104 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 1: mean take them out as if they're not breathing anymore, 105 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:06,760 Speaker 1: but I mean take them out of commission, put them 106 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:12,440 Speaker 1: behind bars, make them the symbol to those that if 107 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 1: you try again to overthrow our government, if you align 108 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 1: yourself right with the drudges of our society and our 109 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:27,960 Speaker 1: political system, you will go to jail. How is that 110 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 1: not like what we are doing? How is that not 111 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:37,559 Speaker 1: rocket science? I just I am out of place every 112 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:42,720 Speaker 1: day every day when I turn on the camera, when 113 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 1: I turn on you know, the mic, and I'm always 114 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:49,240 Speaker 1: what am I going to say? What am I going 115 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:52,640 Speaker 1: to offer? That is not going to incense you all? 116 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 1: And you know, a part of woke AF is about 117 00:08:57,720 --> 00:09:02,440 Speaker 1: building productive rage. And what do I mean by productive rage? 118 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 1: I mean that rage and anger are in fact tools, right, 119 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:11,840 Speaker 1: They are tools that help us move right if we 120 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 1: target that energy right into having some type of outcome. 121 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:21,800 Speaker 1: Because if we were to all shrug our shoulders and 122 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:26,040 Speaker 1: just be like, well, it is what it is, then 123 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:30,040 Speaker 1: everything would get worse. And I know you're thinking to yourself, 124 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:32,600 Speaker 1: how could it get worse? Don't even ask that question, 125 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:35,560 Speaker 1: don't even put that out into the fucking universe right now, 126 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:40,959 Speaker 1: But it could the only reason why Derek Chauvin is 127 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 1: in prison is because of people like you, because you 128 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:52,960 Speaker 1: were outraged, disgusted and decided to march, decided to donate, 129 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 1: decided to make phone calls. That was productive anger and rage. 130 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:04,520 Speaker 1: When the late John Lewis talked about good trouble, that 131 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 1: is when we know that justice is on our side, 132 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:13,920 Speaker 1: but that the powers that be will use any any 133 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:17,959 Speaker 1: amount of forceful tactics in order to silence us. Our 134 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:25,040 Speaker 1: voice is our power, right And I know that every 135 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 1: single day you feel exhausted, because I know that I do, 136 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:33,520 Speaker 1: because you're like, when is enough going to be enough? Like, 137 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:39,640 Speaker 1: if we don't convict Kyle Rittenhouse of murder, what the 138 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:42,040 Speaker 1: fuck do you think is going to happen in a 139 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:50,200 Speaker 1: couple of months on these American streets with the Buggaloo 140 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:52,959 Speaker 1: Boys and the Proud Boys and all of those little 141 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:59,200 Speaker 1: menacing fucking groups now feeling emboldened right to go out 142 00:10:59,559 --> 00:11:02,920 Speaker 1: and to kill because nothing is going to happen to them. 143 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:08,200 Speaker 1: We have got to continue to be angry, but restore 144 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:14,640 Speaker 1: that energy with rest right, restore that energy with a 145 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:19,600 Speaker 1: deep meditation on what we believe to be true, which 146 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:23,880 Speaker 1: is that this group, this twenty five percent of people 147 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:28,360 Speaker 1: that Donald Trump and Trumpism has a holdover, that we 148 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:32,760 Speaker 1: are still the majority, right, that there is still more 149 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:35,600 Speaker 1: of us than there are of them. But we have 150 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:39,640 Speaker 1: got to create strategy. We have got to put one 151 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:43,400 Speaker 1: foot in front of the other and hold these people accountable. 152 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:48,080 Speaker 1: And if that looks like good trouble, I am all 153 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:51,480 Speaker 1: fucking here for it. Because here's the thing is that 154 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:54,240 Speaker 1: we are not going to fight fire with fire because 155 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:59,120 Speaker 1: they have fucking bazookas, right, they have like tanks in 156 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:02,080 Speaker 1: their backyard that they're ready to roll out. So we 157 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:06,200 Speaker 1: have got to think of better ways. You know, there 158 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:11,199 Speaker 1: was a time hundreds of years ago when even the 159 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:18,719 Speaker 1: thought of abolishing slavery, the foundational economic institution that created 160 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:25,720 Speaker 1: this fucking country, right and world economies, that the thought 161 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:30,040 Speaker 1: of abolishing it was so outside the scope of realm 162 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 1: of possibility. It took centuries, but it happened. There was 163 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:40,960 Speaker 1: a time when thinking that black people were going to 164 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:45,600 Speaker 1: be able to vote in this country was seen again 165 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:48,560 Speaker 1: outside of the realm of possibility. There's no way that 166 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:53,960 Speaker 1: this racist, rabid, white supremacist country is going to allow 167 00:12:56,760 --> 00:13:01,400 Speaker 1: the children of former slaves to be able to vote. 168 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:05,920 Speaker 1: And it did. It happened every time that we think 169 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:09,400 Speaker 1: that something is impossible, every time that we believe this 170 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:13,760 Speaker 1: country will not bend with our will and our rage, 171 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:16,920 Speaker 1: we force them to. And I don't want us to 172 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:21,000 Speaker 1: lose sight of that, because they will not take our 173 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:26,720 Speaker 1: power away, not without a fucking fight. Coming up next, 174 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:31,439 Speaker 1: dear friends, is my conversation with our friend Glenn Kirshner, 175 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:35,800 Speaker 1: the host of Justice Matters and MSNBC legal analysts. He 176 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:38,040 Speaker 1: is going to run through the Written House case, the 177 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:42,880 Speaker 1: McDaniels case, where we are with Steve Bannon's indictment, and 178 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:46,920 Speaker 1: where we are moving with the insurrectionists. That is coming 179 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:52,600 Speaker 1: up next, folks. You know that every week when we 180 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:55,120 Speaker 1: have the opportunity to sit down with our friend, the 181 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:59,280 Speaker 1: host of Justice Matters, Glenn Kershner and an MSNBC legal analyst, 182 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:03,000 Speaker 1: I am both excited and also saddened by the legal 183 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:06,320 Speaker 1: news that we have to go through on a regular basis, 184 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:11,560 Speaker 1: this week being one that has been you know, incredibly daunting. 185 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:16,160 Speaker 1: I would say, Glenn, I had tweeted many times that 186 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:20,280 Speaker 1: I was not following the Kyle Rittenhouse case with the 187 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:24,040 Speaker 1: same vigor that I did with Derek Chauvin or with 188 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:28,840 Speaker 1: George Zimmerman for that matter, because based on the judges 189 00:14:29,120 --> 00:14:37,040 Speaker 1: initial Judge Schrober's initial flippant remarks, whether it be around 190 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:42,960 Speaker 1: the word victim, whether it be you know, admonishing the prosecution, 191 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:49,240 Speaker 1: you know, just this week throwing out MSNBC from the courtroom, 192 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:53,360 Speaker 1: his ringtone being the ringtone that was used at every 193 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:59,680 Speaker 1: Trump rally. How do you wrap your mind around these 194 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:03,160 Speaker 1: figure garis these judges that are supposed to be these 195 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:06,440 Speaker 1: impartial figures. But what we see time and time again, 196 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 1: much in the same way that I look at police 197 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:14,000 Speaker 1: reporting now, is that there are anything but so there is. 198 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:21,520 Speaker 1: You know, we get the elected officials that we vote for, 199 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:27,960 Speaker 1: and most judges, local judges are elective. I always thought 200 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:32,520 Speaker 1: there was an inconsistency or an incongruity between running for 201 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:38,960 Speaker 1: office to be a judge, where you're really primary responsibility 202 00:15:39,760 --> 00:15:44,359 Speaker 1: is to be fair and impartial and civil to everybody, 203 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:51,560 Speaker 1: every litigant, regardless of race, gender, ethnicity, national origin, you know, lifestyle, 204 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:56,520 Speaker 1: any of that running for office and then serving as 205 00:15:56,520 --> 00:15:59,080 Speaker 1: a judge when you because you know, these judges will 206 00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:02,160 Speaker 1: run for office saying I'm going to be the I'm 207 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:05,080 Speaker 1: gonna take liberties here, the hanging judge, law and order, 208 00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:08,320 Speaker 1: lock them all up, keep our community safe. Well, judge, 209 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:10,840 Speaker 1: that that's not your job. Your job is to be 210 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:16,400 Speaker 1: a fair and impartial referee in essence between the prosecution 211 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:20,160 Speaker 1: and the defense. And it is your job, judge, to 212 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:24,440 Speaker 1: make sure that the prosecution doesn't overreach and violate the 213 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:28,080 Speaker 1: rights of the defendant. So you know, we get the 214 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 1: judges we deserve when we elect them. So I don't know, Danielle. 215 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:37,480 Speaker 1: I've always struggled to figure out how can we best 216 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:43,120 Speaker 1: go about installing judges appointed judges appointed by the president 217 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:46,120 Speaker 1: if it's a federal court, or by a governor, if 218 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:49,160 Speaker 1: it's a state court, or elected I don't think there 219 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:54,600 Speaker 1: is any perfect way to choose and put in place 220 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:58,800 Speaker 1: judges because we have a whole bunch of Mitch McConnell 221 00:16:58,880 --> 00:17:02,800 Speaker 1: judges that were rated not qualified by the American Bar Association, 222 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:07,080 Speaker 1: and a corrupt president got to install them on the 223 00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:10,800 Speaker 1: federal bench. So but Judge Trader, I think is unique. 224 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 1: I've appeared before nearly two hundred judges I think military 225 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:18,960 Speaker 1: and civilian, trial court and appellate court. In my thirty 226 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:24,240 Speaker 1: years of prosecuting cases. I've never seen somebody quite as 227 00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:29,359 Speaker 1: ill suited to be a judge as Judge Schroeder. He made, 228 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:33,600 Speaker 1: you know, a really horrific decision that I don't believe 229 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:35,760 Speaker 1: any other judge would have made on the front end 230 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:39,840 Speaker 1: end of this trial. And that infuriated me because victims' 231 00:17:39,920 --> 00:17:43,440 Speaker 1: rights are also near and dear to my heart. When 232 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:46,800 Speaker 1: he said, the prosecution may not refer to the victims 233 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:51,399 Speaker 1: as victims, but the defense may refer to those same 234 00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:56,480 Speaker 1: people as rioters and looters and arsonists and basically people 235 00:17:56,480 --> 00:17:59,400 Speaker 1: who brought it on themselves. They deserved what they got. 236 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:04,080 Speaker 1: That was the message the judge allowed to be said 237 00:18:04,119 --> 00:18:08,000 Speaker 1: to the jury based on his disparity of treatment of 238 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:14,359 Speaker 1: the parties. That's horrendous and biased. So and then you 239 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:16,639 Speaker 1: ticked off a number of other things he did. He 240 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:19,480 Speaker 1: said something really ominous at the end too, that I've 241 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:22,880 Speaker 1: gone back and I've read and reread to try to understand. 242 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:25,959 Speaker 1: He said, and I'm going to paraphrase a little bit, 243 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:29,600 Speaker 1: but it's been published in any number of articles. He said, well, 244 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:33,000 Speaker 1: you know, if the jury gets things right, everything will 245 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:36,080 Speaker 1: be fine, and if not, it's going to get ugly. 246 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:41,000 Speaker 1: I've never had a judge articulate that, Danielle, but it 247 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:46,280 Speaker 1: feels to me like he hasn't ruled on the motion 248 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:48,720 Speaker 1: for a mistrial because he's waiting to see what the 249 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:52,240 Speaker 1: jury does. If the jury finds him not guilty, in 250 00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:55,439 Speaker 1: his biased mind, it might be no harm, no foul. 251 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:59,919 Speaker 1: If the jury finds him guilty. There's something that is 252 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:03,920 Speaker 1: little used called a j n o V judgment notwithstanding 253 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:07,760 Speaker 1: a verdict. A judge can enter a not guilty verdict 254 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:11,400 Speaker 1: after a jury has returned a guilty verdict if he 255 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:15,920 Speaker 1: believes the jury's verdict is not supported by the evidence. 256 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:21,440 Speaker 1: And when I heard the judge say that, and it 257 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:24,800 Speaker 1: sent a chill down my spine, because it almost feels 258 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:28,680 Speaker 1: like if the jury convicts Rittenhouse, he would be prepared 259 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:32,239 Speaker 1: to grant a j n o V which is kind of, 260 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:35,359 Speaker 1: in substance, the same as a mistrial. And he hasn't 261 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:40,320 Speaker 1: ruled on the mistrial motion yet. Boy, that would be 262 00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:44,920 Speaker 1: about as ugly as judicial conduct gets. In my opinion. 263 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:50,960 Speaker 1: But you know, Glenn, knowing all of that to be true, 264 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:55,920 Speaker 1: knowing that anyone who without a legal degree could see 265 00:19:55,960 --> 00:19:59,960 Speaker 1: that this judge was extraordinarily biased right from the moment. 266 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:03,000 Speaker 1: I don't know what else you call people that are 267 00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:06,720 Speaker 1: murdered in cold blood, that decided to leave their homes 268 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:10,760 Speaker 1: in a pandemic to protest against injustice. I don't know 269 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:13,240 Speaker 1: what you would call those people other than to refer 270 00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:16,919 Speaker 1: to them as victims, right when there is no evidence 271 00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:20,000 Speaker 1: of looting or arson or any of the heinous things 272 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:23,240 Speaker 1: that he brought up that the defense was able to use. 273 00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 1: And so what recourse, if any, would the prosecution have 274 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:34,120 Speaker 1: to remove a person like Judge Schroeder or to contest 275 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:38,879 Speaker 1: right whatever his ruling may be that could subvert what 276 00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 1: it is the decision that comes out from the jury. Sadly, 277 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:45,880 Speaker 1: the prosecutors don't have a lot of remedies available to them. 278 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:52,440 Speaker 1: The defense has remedies available incomparable circumstances. But prosecutors can 279 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:55,280 Speaker 1: make a motion to have a judge recuse himself from 280 00:20:55,320 --> 00:21:00,680 Speaker 1: the case for bias or improper judicial conduct. How often 281 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:03,120 Speaker 1: do you think a judge is going to say, yeah, 282 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:05,359 Speaker 1: you know what, I have done a bunch of improper stuff, 283 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:08,600 Speaker 1: so I think I'll remove myself. Yeah, how about never 284 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:12,200 Speaker 1: or almost never? We get motions to recuse when there 285 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:16,240 Speaker 1: are some financial entanglements, like, for example, a stock a 286 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:19,639 Speaker 1: judge owns stock in a company and that company is 287 00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:21,919 Speaker 1: involved in the litigation. Okay, then the judge has a 288 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:24,760 Speaker 1: conflict and would need to remove him or herself from 289 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:29,480 Speaker 1: the case. But you know, the prosecution has relatively few 290 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:34,119 Speaker 1: tools available to remove a bad judge. If a judge 291 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:38,640 Speaker 1: makes a decision that's a case ending decision. For example, 292 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:42,520 Speaker 1: he just decides to dismiss the charges. Well, that could 293 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:45,520 Speaker 1: be appealed in the due course by the prosecution. That's 294 00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:48,760 Speaker 1: one of the few things the prosecutors might be able 295 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:53,040 Speaker 1: to appeal. Otherwise we are at the whims of judges. 296 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:56,680 Speaker 1: And that was my experience for three decades trying cases. 297 00:21:57,080 --> 00:21:59,920 Speaker 1: You just you draw a judge and you have to 298 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:04,520 Speaker 1: live with that judge's peculiarities. And every judge has their 299 00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:07,919 Speaker 1: own peculiarities. I've just never seen any as bad as 300 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:14,439 Speaker 1: Judge Schroeder. I just you know, I guess the question 301 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:17,160 Speaker 1: that I constantly ask you, I feel like every week, 302 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:20,119 Speaker 1: is how are people supposed to have faith in a 303 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:24,760 Speaker 1: judicial system that is clearly rigged, Like how are we 304 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:28,640 Speaker 1: supposed to And this is again why I decided to 305 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:34,000 Speaker 1: put my mental and emotional health first and not follow 306 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:37,280 Speaker 1: each and every moment of this trial and just you know, 307 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:40,159 Speaker 1: would read back on the transcripts or watch the clips 308 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:43,440 Speaker 1: on cable news because I knew how I knew from 309 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:47,320 Speaker 1: the beginning where this would go right And and the 310 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:50,280 Speaker 1: fact is, much in the same way that is happening 311 00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:53,960 Speaker 1: with regard to the lack of vigor and prosecution of 312 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:58,119 Speaker 1: the one six insurrectionists. What kind of country does Judge 313 00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:02,480 Speaker 1: Schroeder think that he's setting up when you are allowing 314 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:07,560 Speaker 1: for there to be zero accountability for any person to 315 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:10,320 Speaker 1: be able to pick up a gun, pick up a rifle, 316 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:15,800 Speaker 1: drive across state and insert themselves right in a situation 317 00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:19,840 Speaker 1: where they get to play toy soldier or toy cop 318 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:22,800 Speaker 1: and take people's lives Like what I mean, what do 319 00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:27,600 Speaker 1: what does he think? What is going to happen? And 320 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:30,359 Speaker 1: follow suitan is and is that you know, without me 321 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:35,360 Speaker 1: being super dark and cynical, is that the point right? 322 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:38,080 Speaker 1: Much in the same way that Donald Trump told the 323 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:42,119 Speaker 1: Proud Boys to stand back and stand by. Is this 324 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:47,040 Speaker 1: impending decision right and the movement and what we heard 325 00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:52,000 Speaker 1: from this judge essentially a very overt nod to the 326 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:56,679 Speaker 1: written houses of the world that arm up right because 327 00:23:56,720 --> 00:24:03,000 Speaker 1: nothing will happen to you. We consider you a patriot. Yeah, 328 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:06,080 Speaker 1: there are politicians who are making no secret of their 329 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:10,520 Speaker 1: admiration and even respect for Kyle Rittenhouse and what he did. 330 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:16,280 Speaker 1: Matt Gates said yesterday, I believe that I will I'm 331 00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:20,080 Speaker 1: considering hiring him as an intern because fill in the blanks, 332 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:24,760 Speaker 1: he killed some folks I deem undesirable. This is where 333 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:27,520 Speaker 1: we are. So I know you and I Danielle. Every 334 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:30,399 Speaker 1: week we ask ourselves and we ask each other, and frankly, 335 00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:32,399 Speaker 1: neither one of us ever comes up with a good answer. 336 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:37,679 Speaker 1: How can it be? How can the citizenry continue to 337 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:40,359 Speaker 1: have faith, for example, in the criminal justice system? And 338 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:43,720 Speaker 1: I think the answer is, you know, faith in the 339 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:46,880 Speaker 1: criminal justice system is eroding. I mean, people are now 340 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:50,159 Speaker 1: viewing the Supreme Court and they do polls on these things, 341 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:55,320 Speaker 1: as you know, becoming illegitimate and hopelessly biased and political. 342 00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:58,399 Speaker 1: And I think that is now permeating that some of 343 00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:01,320 Speaker 1: the trial courts certainly the federal bench where we have 344 00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:04,800 Speaker 1: all these ideologus appointed by Trump and Mitch McConnell. And 345 00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:07,399 Speaker 1: now you see the Schrader the Schraders of the world. 346 00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:10,080 Speaker 1: You know, now, what we also should at least take 347 00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:12,720 Speaker 1: some comfort in is the judge who presided over the 348 00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:16,960 Speaker 1: Derek Schaubin case or murdering George Floyd. He ran a 349 00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:20,040 Speaker 1: trial the way that a trial should be run. I've 350 00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:23,320 Speaker 1: been trying to watch some of the Arbary case. That 351 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:26,679 Speaker 1: judge seems, at least the rulings that I've seen, he 352 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:29,520 Speaker 1: seems to be doing a good job. I appeared before 353 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:35,600 Speaker 1: dozens and dozens and dozens of judges who were outstanding jurists, 354 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:38,320 Speaker 1: made me proud every day, even when they were ruling 355 00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:43,840 Speaker 1: against my position. I mean, it's still out there now. Unfortunately. 356 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:47,560 Speaker 1: You know, it's often the horror stories that get all 357 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:52,720 Speaker 1: of the airtime. But you know, I think faith is eroding. 358 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:57,000 Speaker 1: Faith is eroding in all of our institutions, in the courts, 359 00:25:57,040 --> 00:26:02,080 Speaker 1: in the Congress, in the executive branch, the Department of Justice. 360 00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:05,200 Speaker 1: My goodness, Daniel, you ask the question, how can people 361 00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:08,520 Speaker 1: have faith when it seems like the criminal justice system 362 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:13,119 Speaker 1: is rigged. Well, it's been rigged in favor of Donald 363 00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:16,719 Speaker 1: Trump and company for years now, and I think, you know, 364 00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:20,560 Speaker 1: we may just lose all faith and indeed we may 365 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:24,760 Speaker 1: lose our republic if Trump and company aren't brought to justice. 366 00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:29,160 Speaker 1: So yeah, it's we are on a very bad trajectory 367 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:33,600 Speaker 1: right now with respect to faith and trust in the 368 00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:38,040 Speaker 1: integrity of our courts. You know, I keep saying to 369 00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:44,240 Speaker 1: this week that these trials that are happening right now 370 00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:48,400 Speaker 1: is really about America. It is really about you know 371 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:52,320 Speaker 1: where and if we ever truly had a moral compass 372 00:26:52,359 --> 00:27:00,800 Speaker 1: in this country right where you have two cases of aggrieved, enraged, 373 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:06,399 Speaker 1: armed white racists right who are on trial from the 374 00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:12,919 Speaker 1: age of seventeen up until their fifties sixties, and they 375 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:16,160 Speaker 1: all they all believe that they had a license to kill. 376 00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:19,880 Speaker 1: Whether you're looking at the McDaniels and they're saying, well, 377 00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:23,800 Speaker 1: we had the right to create to do a citizen's arrest, right, 378 00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:27,639 Speaker 1: I mean, this is their defense, you said, Kyle Rittenhouse, 379 00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:30,480 Speaker 1: It's like I was doing what no one else was 380 00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:33,679 Speaker 1: going to do. It's it's like, how do you know? 381 00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:38,120 Speaker 1: And I genuinely ask, like, how do you make sense 382 00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:43,359 Speaker 1: of what I perceive to be incredibly irrational behavior. I 383 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:47,720 Speaker 1: am enraged almost every single day at the injustices that 384 00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:50,800 Speaker 1: I see, But by virtue of being a black, queer 385 00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:53,439 Speaker 1: woman in America, I don't have the ability to go 386 00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:57,520 Speaker 1: pick up a rifle and go take out my rage, right. 387 00:27:57,560 --> 00:27:59,200 Speaker 1: I don't have the ability to go jump in a 388 00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:03,320 Speaker 1: car in circle said person that I see and take 389 00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:06,080 Speaker 1: them down because I don't want them on my street. 390 00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:10,840 Speaker 1: And what this climate is creating is, you know, somebody 391 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:13,920 Speaker 1: had said to me the other day, it is reminiscent 392 00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:18,800 Speaker 1: and possibly worse than the nineteen sixties that it is. 393 00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:21,280 Speaker 1: It is. It is worse because the climate of fear 394 00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:27,800 Speaker 1: and terrorism is being supported outwardly by our justice system 395 00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:32,840 Speaker 1: with no backing, no no even conversation honestly that it's 396 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:36,880 Speaker 1: being happened, that's being had on the left by Democrats 397 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:42,400 Speaker 1: saying that there is something fundamentally broken. And I'm just wondering, like, 398 00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:48,400 Speaker 1: is there messaging because we cannot continue to pretend that 399 00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:52,680 Speaker 1: justice is blind. We cannot continue to pretend that these judges, 400 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:54,880 Speaker 1: whether they sit on the Supreme Court, of Federal court 401 00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:58,760 Speaker 1: of circuit courts, that they are beyond reproach, and yet 402 00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:01,280 Speaker 1: that's how we that's how we continue to view them 403 00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:08,920 Speaker 1: when all evidence points to the contrary. So, you know, Glen, 404 00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:13,800 Speaker 1: it's like, where do we go? What what message should 405 00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:19,440 Speaker 1: we be sending out to the people about this system. So, 406 00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:24,120 Speaker 1: first of all, I think many of the Republicans, particularly 407 00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:29,320 Speaker 1: are elected members of Congress, are quite pleased with the direction. 408 00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:34,240 Speaker 1: As you and I are appalled because it is nothing 409 00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:39,200 Speaker 1: but injustice and unequal treatment, they're quite pleased with it, 410 00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,880 Speaker 1: you know, And we can draw inferences about what their 411 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:47,560 Speaker 1: ultimate goal is, what the ultimate solution is for them. 412 00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:51,560 Speaker 1: The only thing that I see remedying this. Yes, first 413 00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:55,720 Speaker 1: there should be messaging coming from the Democrats, and it 414 00:29:55,760 --> 00:30:01,640 Speaker 1: should involve all day, every day holding criminal politicians accountable. 415 00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:07,440 Speaker 1: Because if we don't make that change, and there's not 416 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:13,160 Speaker 1: been a whole lot of public information saying they're ready 417 00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:16,400 Speaker 1: to make that change, they're ready to drop a massive 418 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:20,160 Speaker 1: three seventy one conspiracy on Donald Trump and company for 419 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:25,600 Speaker 1: the crimes against the United States they inarguably committed. Until 420 00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:27,920 Speaker 1: we make that change, I don't think there's any hope 421 00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:31,520 Speaker 1: of changing course. I've been saying, you want to change 422 00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:38,200 Speaker 1: the narrative charge Donald Trump criminally. You don't charge him 423 00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:42,520 Speaker 1: to change the narrative. You charge him because he committed 424 00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:46,640 Speaker 1: crimes against the United States and our people. But that 425 00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:51,160 Speaker 1: will change the narrative. That's what we have to do, 426 00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:55,480 Speaker 1: and if we don't, we're lost. And we don't seem 427 00:30:55,520 --> 00:31:00,000 Speaker 1: to be messaging that for fear. I think that we'll 428 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,680 Speaker 1: be viewed as overreaching, will be viewed as engaging in 429 00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:08,360 Speaker 1: political retribution, none of which could be further from the truth. 430 00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:13,560 Speaker 1: We're just trying to enforce the damn laws, laws that 431 00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:18,520 Speaker 1: were broken to try to destroy our democracy. There's a 432 00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:22,200 Speaker 1: massive conspiracy Trump and Jeffrey Clark and John Eastman and 433 00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:27,400 Speaker 1: Rudy Giuliani and Mope Brooks. Massive conspiracy. It's all right 434 00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:31,000 Speaker 1: there for the indicting. We need to indict it if 435 00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:35,920 Speaker 1: we have any hope of getting through this intact as 436 00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:40,200 Speaker 1: a democracy. It's not high that's not hyperbole. That's the 437 00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:44,080 Speaker 1: state of affairs. You know, when I watched this week 438 00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:48,000 Speaker 1: as the vote came up in the House to censor 439 00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:54,320 Speaker 1: Paul Goser, right, and this man and his team thought 440 00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:59,840 Speaker 1: it was perfectly okay to create a violent and use 441 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:04,160 Speaker 1: scene video right like this is not again This is 442 00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:07,760 Speaker 1: not some right wing not from the middle of nowhere. 443 00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:12,360 Speaker 1: This is a sitting member of Congress who, through video 444 00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:20,680 Speaker 1: threatened the life of his colleague. Only two Republicans voted 445 00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:24,640 Speaker 1: to censure him too. And so I wonder, Glenn, like, 446 00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:28,720 Speaker 1: in all honesty, do you think that it is going 447 00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:37,520 Speaker 1: to take loss of life right in order for our Congress, 448 00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:40,840 Speaker 1: in order for our justice department to wake up? Because 449 00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:44,920 Speaker 1: you know, as I was watching the video and then 450 00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:48,360 Speaker 1: I'm listening to Kevin McCarthy's nonsense on the floor, which 451 00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:56,160 Speaker 1: is just my god, obscene, I am wondering, like, is 452 00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:59,640 Speaker 1: that is that what's next? Because you see, you have 453 00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:04,120 Speaker 1: Lauren Bobert in Congress walking around with a loaded gun 454 00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:07,360 Speaker 1: on her hip. You got Marjorie Taylor Green that put 455 00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:10,320 Speaker 1: up cross hairs on the faces of the member of 456 00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:13,640 Speaker 1: her colleagues that she did not like. Like, you have 457 00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:18,280 Speaker 1: all of this clamoring, and you have their constituency, the 458 00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:23,360 Speaker 1: constituency of the McDaniels and the written houses right like 459 00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:28,520 Speaker 1: it is violence the like, is there any deterrent from 460 00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:34,719 Speaker 1: the path that I'm seeing towards violence? You know, I 461 00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:39,600 Speaker 1: don't know that violence will have a greater impact on 462 00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:45,520 Speaker 1: the Republicans than everything that has come thus far. There 463 00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:51,720 Speaker 1: was violence large on January sixth, including death, and the 464 00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:57,360 Speaker 1: Republicans are now, if not denying it, they're ignoring it. 465 00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:01,760 Speaker 1: At the extreme, they're justified it, but they're sure not 466 00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:05,080 Speaker 1: concerned about it, and they don't seem to be concerned 467 00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:08,760 Speaker 1: that it could happen all over again. So, to answer 468 00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:12,960 Speaker 1: your question sounds crazy, but I don't think violence will 469 00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:16,960 Speaker 1: impress them or deter them from the path they have 470 00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:23,760 Speaker 1: chosen because they've chosen lawlessness. By not condemning and working 471 00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:29,160 Speaker 1: against what happened on January sixth, they are endorsing it, 472 00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:35,359 Speaker 1: they are embracing it, they are encouraging it. So I 473 00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:39,160 Speaker 1: think violence might be part of their plan, or at 474 00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:42,600 Speaker 1: least they're willing to accept it as the next step 475 00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:47,920 Speaker 1: in their battle to retain or regain power. You know, 476 00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:53,080 Speaker 1: one of the most famous faces from the insurrection, the 477 00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:58,239 Speaker 1: QAnon Shaman as he was named, was finally sentenced to 478 00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:04,000 Speaker 1: forty one months jail I again made the comment that 479 00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:07,040 Speaker 1: there are people that are serving much longer sentences for 480 00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:15,280 Speaker 1: possession of marijuana. Still was this the right call? Forty 481 00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:19,040 Speaker 1: one months? Will he in fact serve that time. Was 482 00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:25,520 Speaker 1: this a signal of what is to come or should it? 483 00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:28,440 Speaker 1: Is it just choked up once again to the rolling 484 00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:31,040 Speaker 1: of the dice. Depending on the judges that these folks 485 00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:34,040 Speaker 1: go before, you know, will depend on whether or not 486 00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:39,120 Speaker 1: they get a slap on the risk or congratulations. Yeah. 487 00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:44,000 Speaker 1: So we're supposed to sort of norm sentences from judge 488 00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:48,200 Speaker 1: to judge to judge, to do away with the disparities 489 00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:53,160 Speaker 1: of the past and sentencing. But but it's still you know, 490 00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:55,160 Speaker 1: you're gonna have one judge go high and one judge 491 00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:57,520 Speaker 1: go low. That is the nature of judging, and they 492 00:35:57,520 --> 00:35:59,759 Speaker 1: do have the discretion. And what I would say is 493 00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:04,640 Speaker 1: every offender, in every offense is and it is absolutely 494 00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:08,080 Speaker 1: unique and has to be sentenced on its own merits. 495 00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:12,600 Speaker 1: Was forty one months enough, I don't know for attacking 496 00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:15,800 Speaker 1: and trying to overthrow the government of the United States. 497 00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:19,600 Speaker 1: It sure seems like a lenient sentence. Now, the prosecution 498 00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:23,200 Speaker 1: was asking for fifty one months, and I will say 499 00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:26,600 Speaker 1: forty one months was a guideline compliance sentence, so the 500 00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:31,560 Speaker 1: judge didn't go below where the federal guidelines place this offense. 501 00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:35,360 Speaker 1: And I think forty one months is nothing to sneeze 502 00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:37,720 Speaker 1: at I wouldn't want to do forty one minutes in jail, 503 00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:40,839 Speaker 1: in prison, never mind forty one months. I do think 504 00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:45,200 Speaker 1: we have seen a trend of the sentences to begin 505 00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:47,560 Speaker 1: to rise, and I think that's a good thing. I 506 00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:50,040 Speaker 1: think that's due in part because they were trying to 507 00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:54,439 Speaker 1: get through the cases where you know, somebody unlawfully entered 508 00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:58,400 Speaker 1: the capitol but didn't hurt anybody, didn't assault police, didn't 509 00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:03,240 Speaker 1: destroy property, didn't you know, create havoc inside the capitol. 510 00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:06,520 Speaker 1: Now we're getting to the more serious defendants who did 511 00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:10,520 Speaker 1: engage in violence and property destruction, And I do think 512 00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:14,680 Speaker 1: forty one is the kind of number that other insurrectionists 513 00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:18,000 Speaker 1: will look at and take seriously and think, man, I 514 00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:19,719 Speaker 1: better get in front of this trainer. I'm going to 515 00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:22,280 Speaker 1: get run over by this train. And they'll consider pleading 516 00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:26,040 Speaker 1: guilty and hopefully cooperating if they have information that could 517 00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:30,880 Speaker 1: incriminate others. So I think we're on the right trajectory generally, 518 00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:36,680 Speaker 1: and hopefully that will continue. And then at some point, Danielle, 519 00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:40,520 Speaker 1: I'm hoping we see phase two of the indictments against 520 00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:45,200 Speaker 1: the funders, the organizers, and the insiders and the conspirators 521 00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:48,080 Speaker 1: like those folks in the war room at the Willard 522 00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:53,480 Speaker 1: plotting to overthrow the government. These people must be brought 523 00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:59,279 Speaker 1: to justice. This is non negotiable. This is absolutely non negotiable. 524 00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:03,160 Speaker 1: My question, Danielle, is what do we do because we're 525 00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:06,359 Speaker 1: in the majority. You know, Trump has maybe twenty five 526 00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:09,120 Speaker 1: percent of the country on his side, and they're loud, 527 00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:11,839 Speaker 1: and they're big, and they bluff from They're bluff and 528 00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:14,400 Speaker 1: bluster and boasting, and they like to carry their guns. 529 00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:18,880 Speaker 1: We are the majority, the people who actually give a 530 00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:23,480 Speaker 1: damn about our democracy, who give a damn about equality 531 00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:28,919 Speaker 1: and diversity and decency. We're in the majority. I don't 532 00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:32,360 Speaker 1: think we're gonna let the twenty five percent take it 533 00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:34,880 Speaker 1: all away. What do we do about it? How do 534 00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:37,759 Speaker 1: we message, how do we act. We're gonna have to 535 00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:40,759 Speaker 1: talk about that, but I'll be damned if we're gonna 536 00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:43,800 Speaker 1: let them take it away. You know, they want to fight. 537 00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:48,319 Speaker 1: I'm not advocating violence. We'll fight on all fronts, not 538 00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:51,640 Speaker 1: with guns. They want to fight. They're not going to 539 00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:54,200 Speaker 1: take it away, and we just have to figure out 540 00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:57,520 Speaker 1: how do we go about making sure we don't let 541 00:38:57,560 --> 00:38:59,360 Speaker 1: them take it. And I hear that, because let me 542 00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:02,320 Speaker 1: tell you something. For the past you know, two years 543 00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:05,080 Speaker 1: that we have been engaged in conversation, you have always 544 00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:09,160 Speaker 1: been the hopeful one. You've always been this this steadfast one. 545 00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:14,879 Speaker 1: And you know what is concerning to me is that 546 00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:19,560 Speaker 1: we're all getting angrier because we're all sitting and waiting 547 00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:23,880 Speaker 1: patiently right for justice to arrive. I mean, you know, 548 00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:25,560 Speaker 1: the last thing that I want to talk to you 549 00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:32,680 Speaker 1: about is Bannon, right, almost three weeks to indict Bannon, 550 00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:36,360 Speaker 1: almost three weeks and he got to turn himself in. Glenn. 551 00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:39,000 Speaker 1: I can't tell you a black or brown person that 552 00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:41,040 Speaker 1: ever has the benefit of the doubt to be able 553 00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:45,160 Speaker 1: to turn themselves in for a goddamn thing. Right, this 554 00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:48,800 Speaker 1: man sat in the Willard Hotel, as you just stated, 555 00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:54,120 Speaker 1: with a group of other people to create a clear 556 00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:58,960 Speaker 1: strategic plan to overthrow the government. He was able to 557 00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:02,759 Speaker 1: sit at home this entire time, go on all right 558 00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:07,520 Speaker 1: wing news stations, continue with the lie, and then have 559 00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:11,439 Speaker 1: the ability to turn himself in when he saw fit. 560 00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:15,880 Speaker 1: What kind of signal is that sending and what hope 561 00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:19,080 Speaker 1: do we have? We saw the judge right just say 562 00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:22,040 Speaker 1: that we're not going to wait until the new year, 563 00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:25,960 Speaker 1: which is what Bannon's attorneys wanted in order for this 564 00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:28,400 Speaker 1: trial to begin that that is not going to happen. 565 00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:33,560 Speaker 1: But what can we expect here given all, I mean, 566 00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:37,600 Speaker 1: the runway this man was given, the leniency he was given, 567 00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:42,279 Speaker 1: So a couple of things. There's a lot to unpack there. 568 00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:46,480 Speaker 1: First of all, Steve Bennon is going to jail, and 569 00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:49,520 Speaker 1: I can say that with confidence because he's been charged 570 00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:53,640 Speaker 1: with two counts of contempt of Congress if he is convicted, 571 00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:56,840 Speaker 1: and he will be, because he has zero defense. And 572 00:40:56,920 --> 00:41:01,640 Speaker 1: we can talk about why that is. A sentencing scheme 573 00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:07,279 Speaker 1: in the statute says he shall be confined, shall be 574 00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:10,480 Speaker 1: imprisoned for no less than one month and no more 575 00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:13,360 Speaker 1: than one year on each count. That's two months in 576 00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:16,680 Speaker 1: jail for openers. The judge has no discretion to go below. 577 00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:20,720 Speaker 1: That's a mandatory minimum sentence. I believe he'll be convicted 578 00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:23,560 Speaker 1: and will probably get a year or eighteen months. And 579 00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:26,520 Speaker 1: the reason he'll be convicted is because he has no defense. Daniel. 580 00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:29,480 Speaker 1: First of all, he wasn't in the administration. He has 581 00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:35,879 Speaker 1: the tiniest scrap perhaps of an argument that maybe there's 582 00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:39,000 Speaker 1: a little bit of executive privilege. He doesn't have any 583 00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:42,320 Speaker 1: executive privilege. But if he wanted to assert executive privilege, 584 00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:45,160 Speaker 1: here's the way you do it. You appear on the 585 00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:49,200 Speaker 1: congressional subpoena, You take the stand, you get placed under oath, 586 00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:53,560 Speaker 1: and they start asking you questions. Sir, state your name, No, 587 00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:59,000 Speaker 1: I invoke executive a Steve, you don't have executive privilege 588 00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:03,000 Speaker 1: over your name. Donald Trump didn't bestow your name upon you. 589 00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:08,520 Speaker 1: International security conversation, and then it's like, where did you 590 00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:11,440 Speaker 1: used to work? Hey, Steve, did you ever talk to 591 00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:14,920 Speaker 1: any members of Congress or their staff about what was 592 00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:17,640 Speaker 1: going to happen on January sixth? Hey, Steve, tell us 593 00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:20,360 Speaker 1: about all the conversations you had with the Proud Boys 594 00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:23,040 Speaker 1: and the three percenters and you know all the other 595 00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:27,200 Speaker 1: little miscreants. Right, None of that, Danielle, even if he 596 00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:30,520 Speaker 1: was the dang national Security advisor, none of that would 597 00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:34,560 Speaker 1: enjoy executive privilege. He has to answer all of it. 598 00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:38,520 Speaker 1: He wasn't going to comply with that subpoena because he 599 00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:40,799 Speaker 1: wanted to be locked up so he could use it 600 00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:43,920 Speaker 1: to fund raise, so he could have a platform. He 601 00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:46,840 Speaker 1: had his little camera crew in tow when he stood 602 00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:50,279 Speaker 1: outside the federal courthouse last week saying, you know, I'm 603 00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:52,920 Speaker 1: going to take down the Biden administration. This is going 604 00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:55,000 Speaker 1: to be the case from hell, Danielle. I was in 605 00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:58,960 Speaker 1: that same courthouse when Steve Bennon got dragged in by 606 00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:04,120 Speaker 1: his collar to testify as a prosecution witness against Roger Stone, 607 00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:08,359 Speaker 1: and he was a stone called punk. They put him 608 00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:12,120 Speaker 1: up on the stand, they said, mister Bannon, who was 609 00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:16,320 Speaker 1: the Trump campaign's access point to wiki leaks and Julian 610 00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:20,560 Speaker 1: Asange for purposes of those weaponized emails to hurt the 611 00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:26,560 Speaker 1: Clinton campaign. Steve Bannon said, I don't know, I don't remember. 612 00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:30,040 Speaker 1: I can't say. Well, let's look at your grand jury 613 00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:32,600 Speaker 1: testimony when you were placed under oath and you were 614 00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:36,479 Speaker 1: asked who was the Trump campaign access point to Julian 615 00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:41,560 Speaker 1: Osange and WikiLeaks? And you said, and I quote Roger Stone, 616 00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:47,480 Speaker 1: thereby implicating incriminating Roger Stone and by extension, the Trump campaign. 617 00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:53,400 Speaker 1: Isn't that true, sir? H Yeah, he was a stone 618 00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:58,200 Speaker 1: called punk, because that's who is at his core, all 619 00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:01,439 Speaker 1: bluff and bluster with his camera outside the courthouse. Boy, 620 00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:05,000 Speaker 1: but he couldn't incriminate Roger Stone quickly enough, and he 621 00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:07,319 Speaker 1: wasn't even man enough to do it. He had to 622 00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:10,799 Speaker 1: be impeached with his own grand jury testimony. That is 623 00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:15,960 Speaker 1: the true Steve Bannon. This is performance art and fundraising 624 00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:20,560 Speaker 1: and continued grifting of Donald Trump's base. He will be convicted, 625 00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:24,120 Speaker 1: he will go to prison. He will probably never cooperate, 626 00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:28,120 Speaker 1: and that's fine. I wouldn't want his cooperation as a 627 00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:31,560 Speaker 1: witness somebody who tried to overthrow the government. And Danielle 628 00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:35,799 Speaker 1: here is my hope and even my expectation. There will 629 00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:39,160 Speaker 1: be more indictments, what we call superseding indictments, and Steve 630 00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:43,319 Speaker 1: Bannon will be charged for his crimes against the United States. Oh, 631 00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:46,239 Speaker 1: Glenn as always, thank you so much for making the 632 00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:51,319 Speaker 1: time to join wike effort, this supersized legal breakdown of 633 00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:54,000 Speaker 1: where we are headed in this country. Because I am 634 00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:58,279 Speaker 1: in deep concern, but will still hold on to a 635 00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:01,520 Speaker 1: grain of hope that people who plotted to overthrow our 636 00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:10,760 Speaker 1: government will see justice at some point. As always, power 637 00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:13,800 Speaker 1: to the people and to all the people. Power, Get 638 00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:15,839 Speaker 1: woke and stay woke as fuck.