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Speaker 1: headlines about the virus, and of course we were just
Speaker 1: talking about kind of the push poll when it comes
Speaker 1: to opening up schools. Let's get to one of our
Speaker 1: go to voices when it comes to the virus and
Speaker 1: find out really the headlines you need to be aware of.
Speaker 1: Dr Sandro Gallea. He's dean and professor at Boston University
Speaker 1: School of Public Health, author of Pained Uncomfortable Conversations about
Speaker 1: the Public's health. He joins us once again on the
Speaker 1: phone from Boston, Sona, I um Saunder to have you
Speaker 1: here with us once again. I do feel like we
Speaker 1: are at this really tough point where there is so
Speaker 1: much pressure to reopen the economy, um, because there's people
Speaker 1: who need to go back to work. We need to
Speaker 1: get the economy moving again. But yet we're still nervous
Speaker 1: about what we don't know about this virus and then
Speaker 1: of course the spikes that we're seeing, certainly in the
Speaker 1: western part of our country. What do we need to
Speaker 1: know about where we are right now? Well, thank you
Speaker 1: for having me again. We we should be nervous. You
Speaker 1: said that we are nervous about where we are at,
Speaker 1: and I think it's appropriate for us to be nervous.
Speaker 1: At the same time. We're at a point where we
Speaker 1: should have the sophistication to balance nervousness about risk with
Speaker 1: the things that we need to do to get our
Speaker 1: country moving again. And that is where in some respects
Speaker 1: or political conversation has failed us. But leaving the politics
Speaker 1: out of it, we as citizens should know that we
Speaker 1: are still in the middle of this pandemic, that we
Speaker 1: have more cases than we've ever had during the pandemic
Speaker 1: it's has shifted geographies. It's gone from the northeast to
Speaker 1: the epicenters now being in the south and in the southwest.
Speaker 1: We also should know that we are learning more and
Speaker 1: more about how this pandemic is transmitted. We know that
Speaker 1: being inside and being in closed congreg congregation is what
Speaker 1: is largely fueling this pandemic, which means that we should
Speaker 1: be as much as possible outside social distancing, wearing masks.
Speaker 1: We know that if we did this across the board,
Speaker 1: we should be able to bring this pandemic under control now.
Speaker 1: At the same time, the challenge is that the fear,
Speaker 1: the temptation is to say we cannot do anything. We
Speaker 1: are captive health, captive by this pandemic. But we've been
Speaker 1: at this now for almost six months and I think
Speaker 1: our job together is to figure out how to manage
Speaker 1: the risk so we can do what we need to
Speaker 1: do as a society. What do you think, Dr Ghalia
Speaker 1: is the most important thing we've learned about sort of
Speaker 1: the way of life. I mean, you mentioned social distancing
Speaker 1: and math, and clearly that's top of mind for most people,
Speaker 1: although as you alluded to earlier, there's a political aspect
Speaker 1: to that, as well, what do you think is the
Speaker 1: thing that's most important we understand about this virus and transmission. Increasingly,
Speaker 1: we are beginning to understand that the virus is spread
Speaker 1: when we are inside with a lot of people present
Speaker 1: who are not taking precautions with poor circulation. So that
Speaker 1: means that what we should avoid large gatherings, We should
Speaker 1: avoid being together with hundreds of people, and we should
Speaker 1: always be wearing masks when we're inside, and we should
Speaker 1: be keeping our distance from people as much as possible
Speaker 1: that we know. We also know that you're much less
Speaker 1: likely to get the virus, for example, when you're outside
Speaker 1: and when you're when you're distant from people. So in
Speaker 1: some respect, those two observations by themselves should be enough
Speaker 1: to tell us what we should do and what we
Speaker 1: shouldn't do, and that should go a long way towards
Speaker 1: mitigating spread. Yeah, but that makes it often trick then
Speaker 1: to open up a major city. Right well, if well
Speaker 1: we are in we are in summer and much of
Speaker 1: the country right now, which of course helps us because
Speaker 1: we can be outside much more than we normally can
Speaker 1: become much harder. One so we get to October November,
Speaker 1: of course, you know I'm in the middle of in
Speaker 1: my day job as a dean of the schools public Health,
Speaker 1: in the business of reopening the school for the fall.
Speaker 1: And we are, like any other large organization, implementing steps
Speaker 1: to have people being distant, to make sure everybody wears masks,
Speaker 1: to make sure everybody's washing their hands, to limit number
Speaker 1: of people in the building. So it's complicated, and it's
Speaker 1: certainly it's certainly difficult, but it's the right thing to do.
Speaker 1: And certainly, although it's harder than say giving up and
Speaker 1: just saying we're all going to stay in our houses,
Speaker 1: it is a way for us to learn to deal
Speaker 1: with risk, to minimize the risk as much as possible,
Speaker 1: but create the economic and social opportunities that we want
Speaker 1: to live for. And So Dr Galia, what are you
Speaker 1: doing specifically, or what's what's an interesting thing that maybe
Speaker 1: you guys come up with because you had the benefit,
Speaker 1: as you say, and or maybe the additional weight of
Speaker 1: running a school. But it's also a school of public health,
Speaker 1: so you have the best advice and and the best
Speaker 1: people around you, including yourself, to make these decisions. So
Speaker 1: what's something you can share with us that you guys
Speaker 1: have come up with for for your campus and your crew. Well,
Speaker 1: I think there are there are two levels of precautions.
Speaker 1: Level one is making sure that we have sufficient testing
Speaker 1: so that we can catch cases early, so we can
Speaker 1: we can isolate people who have who are COVID positive
Speaker 1: as well as find their contact and isolate them as well,
Speaker 1: So that's level one. Level one means making sure that
Speaker 1: you catch cases early so that cases do not become
Speaker 1: clusters that do not work in the epidemic. Level two
Speaker 1: is assuming that you're doing Level one, which means you're
Speaker 1: catching cases early. Is making sure then that the virus
Speaker 1: doesn't spread in a community, and to do that you
Speaker 1: need to distance people, keep people apart from each other,
Speaker 1: and make sure everybody's wearing a mask, and make sure
Speaker 1: that you have high hygiene and sanitation. Now, in the
Speaker 1: context of US school, we for example, normally have many
Speaker 1: more people in a given classroom than we will have
Speaker 1: in the fall, so we will be spacing people out
Speaker 1: six feet apart and probably not have all the students
Speaker 1: in the same classroom. At the same time, we have
Speaker 1: developed systems that we are able to teach our courses
Speaker 1: in person, yes, but also with a digital component. So
Speaker 1: some students will be online while some will be in
Speaker 1: a classroom. Now, these are these are difficult measures to
Speaker 1: put in place. They require work, They require a lot
Speaker 1: of thought about how to do them. But it is
Speaker 1: our way in our particular context to make sure that
Speaker 1: we can return to teaching, make sure students can continue
Speaker 1: towards their educational goals, but also keeping every dication. You
Speaker 1: are listening to Bloomberg Business Week, Let's get right back
Speaker 1: to our conversation with Dr Sandro Galia, dean at the
Speaker 1: Boston University School Public Health, also the author of Pained
Speaker 1: Uncomfortable Conversations about the Public's Health and Dr Galia that
Speaker 1: Carol and I were talking via insent messages in the break.
Speaker 1: I'm so glad you reminded us what we're talking before
Speaker 1: that you also are the dean of this man in
Speaker 1: public health school. Gives you know, we think of you
Speaker 1: as this expert doctor. You've got so many different things
Speaker 1: on your plate, not the least of which is you know,
Speaker 1: we talked about getting students and faculty back on campus,
Speaker 1: but a wrinkle this week with the visa issue brought
Speaker 1: up by the President. How are you looking at that
Speaker 1: and how does it potentially affect your student body. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the the visa guidance from the President is one in
Speaker 1: a long line of divisive moves that really are are
Speaker 1: inspired by cruelty, more dentiting else there that it makes
Speaker 1: uh that there's no logic in the pandemic as to
Speaker 1: why that visa move was necessary. What the visa move
Speaker 1: does is it prohibits students international students from getting educational
Speaker 1: visa for online only courses. Now, in our school, we
Speaker 1: are doing all our teaching as a hybrid both in
Speaker 1: person and online, so it should not affect our students,
Speaker 1: but many of our peer schools, schools of public health,
Speaker 1: undergraduate schools, and many other undergraduate colleges that have moved
Speaker 1: their teaching to all online, their students, at least as
Speaker 1: it stands right now, may not be able to get
Speaker 1: visas to study United States. So this is really another
Speaker 1: example of the administration's efforts to divide us and by
Speaker 1: casting blame on on the other on this notion that
Speaker 1: it is is immigrants who are bringing challenges to our shores,
Speaker 1: when nothing could be further from the truth. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: just I do wonder about this move. And as you said,
Speaker 1: in terms of the impact and your school maybe you're
Speaker 1: not going to feel it as much, but there are
Speaker 1: schools that really are dependent on it um because they
Speaker 1: want the diverse body, but they also financially, it's an
Speaker 1: important component of the of their overallaw you know, their
Speaker 1: overall financial picture. Uh No, absolutely, it's uh. You know,
Speaker 1: for any any any excellent graduate school, or really any
Speaker 1: excellent university aspires to create an environment that is diverse.
Speaker 1: That means including Americans, including students from all over the world,
Speaker 1: including students of all strips. That is how we learned that.
Speaker 1: It's how we build a pluralistic society where we learn
Speaker 1: how to think together from people who are different than us.
Speaker 1: What dis guidance does is it tries to remove from
Speaker 1: our communities students who are not from here. And that
Speaker 1: is that that that hurts us as much as it
Speaker 1: hurts them. It hurts us as a country because we
Speaker 1: are taking away from us the capacity to be with,
Speaker 1: learned from debate with students from other backgrounds. And of
Speaker 1: course it hurts students from these other backgrounds who cannot
Speaker 1: come and pursue their educational dreams in this country. It
Speaker 1: really is a lose lose for us in for the world.
Speaker 1: So I wonder six months from now, eight months from now,
Speaker 1: three months from now, do you feel like we will
Speaker 1: feel all more normal because we will be back at work,
Speaker 1: back at school. What's the time frame I'm Sandra, that
Speaker 1: you think is realistic here at this point. Yeah, Carol,
Speaker 1: I think that's the question we all want to know
Speaker 1: the answer to. I also want to know the answer
Speaker 1: to that. You know, I think you'll find that anybody
Speaker 1: in public health is very reluctant to get the answers
Speaker 1: simply because we do not know, and given where the
Speaker 1: stage of the pandemic is now, it's really difficult to tell.
Speaker 1: Will we eventually get through this pandemic. We definitely will.
Speaker 1: There will be we will get to a vaccine, or
Speaker 1: the pandemic will stop. There will be enough herd immunity
Speaker 1: to depandemic will stop. It's hard to say how long
Speaker 1: this will take. Will it take three months, will it
Speaker 1: take six months, Will it take a year. It's really
Speaker 1: hard to make those kind of estimates. And for any
Speaker 1: estimate I give you, I could argue against my own estimate.
Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg Business Week with Carol Masser and Jason
Speaker 1: Kelly on Bloomberg Radio. Well, superstar cities apparently not all
Speaker 1: that they're cracked up to be, especially for blackmail college graduates.
Speaker 1: This is uh the results of a new study from
Speaker 1: m I. T. Massachusetts Institute of Technology. Let's talk about
Speaker 1: that study and his story in business Week Bloomberg business
Speaker 1: Week Economics. That are Peter Coy joining us right now
Speaker 1: on the phone in New Jersey. Um, Peter, tell us
Speaker 1: about this. Tell us about the study and what they
Speaker 1: found out. A study called the Faltering Escalator of Urban
Speaker 1: Opportunities by David auto Or, a prominent economists m I. T.
Speaker 1: Who I really love. He does such excellent work. This
Speaker 1: is part of a task force that he co chares
Speaker 1: called the task Force and the Work of the Future.
Speaker 1: So the conventional wisdom is that cities are good places
Speaker 1: for opportunity because there are things, there are kinds of
Speaker 1: jobs that are available in cities that simply aren't available
Speaker 1: in suburbs or rural areas. And for one while that
Speaker 1: was true, if you move to the city, you were
Speaker 1: likely to get a better job, earn more money, and
Speaker 1: be on an escalator towards higher pay um. But what
Speaker 1: he's found is that is going back as far as
Speaker 1: that started to become less twoe, and it's become less
Speaker 1: and less true as time has gone by, and uh
Speaker 1: so there's more of a barbell now. There are some
Speaker 1: great jobs for upper income people, and there are some
Speaker 1: plentiful jobs for people at the bottom, whether they are
Speaker 1: security guards or the food preparation types. Uh, you know,
Speaker 1: service jobs like that, but it's kind of a middle
Speaker 1: paying job. There are far fewer of them than they
Speaker 1: were in past decades. Well, also with us is Business
Speaker 1: Week editor Joel Wepper joining us from Massachusetts. So Joel
Speaker 1: put this story in context. I mean, we love a
Speaker 1: good Peter Koy story. I know you're never want to
Speaker 1: turn it down to either, but framed this for us
Speaker 1: in in the sort of broader uh theme of the
Speaker 1: magazine and what you're trying to do UM. Funny enough,
Speaker 1: it relates to a conversation Peter and I were actually
Speaker 1: just having kind of earlier in the day, and I
Speaker 1: think it helps inform some of UM coverage that you'll
Speaker 1: probably continue to be seeing from us, because you know,
Speaker 1: cities have really been this um, this engine of economic activity,
Speaker 1: and that is has been true for you know, us
Speaker 1: being sort of in New York City properly most of
Speaker 1: the time and in the before times. UM, But you
Speaker 1: do you think about it at large, especially for the
Speaker 1: American economy, that has been the story of UM sort
Speaker 1: of the the economic in gine of America has been
Speaker 1: sort of like the movement towards cities, the economic activity
Speaker 1: that they survived, that they provide. And now that the
Speaker 1: pandemic UM, as Peter kind of said, it actually is
Speaker 1: almost sort of like excellent accelerated some trends and some
Speaker 1: of those were pre existing trends and others were were
Speaker 1: things that were sort of unexpected UM. And I think
Speaker 1: it puts the burden on cities in a in a
Speaker 1: way that UM it doesn't for a lot of other
Speaker 1: economic models. And I think that that is going to
Speaker 1: be UM just an ongoing conversation of like, you know,
Speaker 1: you take New York City for instance. As Peter and
Speaker 1: I were talking about earlier, it was like, so what
Speaker 1: does this mean for the m t A Right like
Speaker 1: in d A, all of these things that the city,
Speaker 1: the city needs people in order to fuel the city itself,
Speaker 1: And the moment that you sort of remove the people
Speaker 1: from that equation, it starts to actually become somewhat of
Speaker 1: the downward spiral. So what does that mean, Peter, I mean,
Speaker 1: like play this out for us, you know, based on
Speaker 1: the folks you talk to and your own research and expertise.
Speaker 1: I mean, we're talking about, as Joel just mentioned, basic infrastructure.
Speaker 1: I mean, just sort of the way that cities live
Speaker 1: and breathe and grow and uh and operate. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: New York City is unique in the United States and
Speaker 1: its density, particularly in Manhattan, it's not the norm for
Speaker 1: U S cities. You hear a lot of people talking
Speaker 1: about edge cities, which are far less dense and in
Speaker 1: some ways more sustainable. Problem with like New York is
Speaker 1: that the subway needs a lot of riders to you know,
Speaker 1: to pay a budget. You take away all the writers
Speaker 1: and you still run the trains and you're running massive deficits.
Speaker 1: That's just unsustainable. So you can't get away with less
Speaker 1: density in New York. But I just want quickly go
Speaker 1: back to the topic of mail um college grads, which
Speaker 1: Carol mentioned in their intro, is that that's a special
Speaker 1: problem because in general, the middle paying jobs were held
Speaker 1: by people maybe without college degrees. Uh, And so it
Speaker 1: was the people without college degrees in general who suffered
Speaker 1: the most from this hollowing out, but for black male
Speaker 1: college grads they have been dragged down as well. And
Speaker 1: that was one of the big surprises for all Tour
Speaker 1: in his research, that they their share of middle paying
Speaker 1: jobs went down and their share of low paying jobs
Speaker 1: went up from so they said, compounding all the other
Speaker 1: problems we've been talking about. Well, and it's interesting, you know, Peter,
Speaker 1: as you right, I mean, it's not We've often talked
Speaker 1: about just these cities becoming unaffordable for so many but
Speaker 1: as you point out, and the research shows, you know
Speaker 1: that middle paying occupations are even lower. I mean, these
Speaker 1: are jobs that are going away and not being replaced,
Speaker 1: and so there isn't even that demand for those kinds
Speaker 1: of workers. Yeah, right, I mean, the theory that cities
Speaker 1: are magnets are escalators of opportunity leads you to believe, well,
Speaker 1: if only we could deal with the cost cost of housing,
Speaker 1: for example, then we'd really solve our problems. But what
Speaker 1: Autour is saying is even that wouldn't really do it,
Speaker 1: because it's it's not just that people can't afford to
Speaker 1: work there, it's just that they show up there. And
Speaker 1: there's nothing for them to do. Mhm. So, Peter, um,
Speaker 1: if you think about sort of what what position this
Speaker 1: really puts cities in in sort of the medium to
Speaker 1: long term? You know, what do you what do you
Speaker 1: Bringing this back to part of the conversation we had,
Speaker 1: which is if you if you think about, um, what
Speaker 1: what what does this mean for this thing that's been
Speaker 1: you know, this center of economic activity? Like what do
Speaker 1: you what do you think the future of city starts
Speaker 1: to look like? I think the problem now, let's bring
Speaker 1: it back to COVID and the recession is that this
Speaker 1: Autra's research goes between fifteen before that happened, but that
Speaker 1: actually this actually exacerbates the problem because uh, cities, in
Speaker 1: his research, we're still magnets for you know, the highly skilled,
Speaker 1: highly compensated people in finance, for example, a lot of
Speaker 1: people probably listening to this radio program right now. But
Speaker 1: if they're finding that they can live at home in Westchester, NASA,
Speaker 1: Suffolk Berg and whatever, then they might do it, and
Speaker 1: then there's even less reason to live and work in
Speaker 1: the city, and that worsens the city's finances, and that
Speaker 1: also hurts the people at the bottom because those people
Speaker 1: at the bottom are basically serving the people at the top.
Speaker 1: So the whole economic model just kind of dissolved. It's
Speaker 1: a really really interesting story. Uh. We always come on you, Peter,
Speaker 1: for finding these ideas that you twist the prism just
Speaker 1: a little bit and and find something that's extraordinary use
Speaker 1: extraordinarily useful. Easy for me to say, Peter Koy, thank
Speaker 1: you so much, economics editor for Bloomberg Business Week, along
Speaker 1: with Joe Webber, the editor of the magazine. You are
Speaker 1: listening to Bloomberg Business Week, Jason Kelly and Carol Master
Speaker 1: here with you on a Wednesday. That's right, I got
Speaker 1: it right this time. It's a Wednesday. Emily Jason back
Speaker 1: with a sustainability editor for Bloomberg. Green, by the way
Speaker 1: it is. I know it all sort of comes together.
Speaker 1: I just need these markers, Carol to let me know
Speaker 1: where I am, because I'm staring out at the exact
Speaker 1: same backyard that I've been staring at for seventeen weeks.
Speaker 1: It's lovely, it's it's green, and it's green, little cloudie
Speaker 1: and rainy here on Westchester. Emily Jason is here with us, So, Emily,
Speaker 1: a lot going on in the world of green including
Speaker 1: a big conversation that you had. Tell us about it. Oh, so,
Speaker 1: I guess which conversation, Al Gore. I'm sorry you have
Speaker 1: so many big conversations. I have to be more specific,
Speaker 1: Al Gore, tell us about them. See which official was
Speaker 1: I talking to? So tell us about the conversation. We
Speaker 1: have a conversation this week about you know, how does
Speaker 1: some sort of a once in a generational opportunity to
Speaker 1: rebuild and rethink everything that we're working within our economy UM.
Speaker 1: And he needs some really good points about what needs
Speaker 1: to happen to reset and how people are thinking about
Speaker 1: science UM, and listening to scientists, which is something he's
Speaker 1: been trying to say for a long time on climate change.
Speaker 1: And here we are, you know, needing to listen to
Speaker 1: scientists in coronavirus and um, what can we learn from
Speaker 1: that about the future And what can you rethink about
Speaker 1: society because we're making changes really fast right now um
Speaker 1: and building a more equal, more environmentally friendly future. So
Speaker 1: he is positive going forward. He thinks we get to
Speaker 1: a better place. He's very optimistic, for sure. There's a
Speaker 1: lot of changes that he thought had accelerated, like using
Speaker 1: more telehealth, more distributed work um, where the need for
Speaker 1: jobs dovetails with the needs to recorfit building. So that
Speaker 1: was sort of our conversation. And I mean, this is
Speaker 1: a guy. I mean, and you've written a lot about
Speaker 1: the former vice president over the years, Emily, and I
Speaker 1: do you know, sort of wonder about this moment and
Speaker 1: how he sees it as you've just described, because he's
Speaker 1: sort of been waiting a long time for everybody to
Speaker 1: kind of get on board, and and I wonder if
Speaker 1: if this time sort of feels different to some extent. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I would say that, you know, it's interesting from his
Speaker 1: perspective that he's been doing this a long time and
Speaker 1: building these long term views, and the moment like this says, hey,
Speaker 1: we can actually accelerate and speed things up. Um. And
Speaker 1: so looking at different trends, we talked a lot about
Speaker 1: fundamental changes and consumer and social behavior, um, about just
Speaker 1: ways to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, and also about stimulus, right,
Speaker 1: and that the role of government and making this happen. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's just interesting and we'll see ultimately what happens.
Speaker 1: I feel like this has been a big week for
Speaker 1: the green environment. I think about all of the rulings
Speaker 1: when it comes to pipeline, some of the big pipelines,
Speaker 1: And we just had we had one as we kicked
Speaker 1: off our show about energy transfer on the Dakota Access pipeline. UM,
Speaker 1: they're like, oh, you know you ruled that. No, we're good,
Speaker 1: We're good. We're gonna keep going with I didn't see it.
Speaker 1: I didn't see it. I'll say sorry later. UM, talk
Speaker 1: to us about some of the headlines that are coming
Speaker 1: across your desk right now that you're writing about. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was a really bad week to be a pipeline
Speaker 1: in North America. We can start there right so. UM.
Speaker 1: Just over the past few days, the Atlantic Coast Natural
Speaker 1: Guests typeline was canceled by its developers, the Dakota Access
Speaker 1: Oil typeline was set down by a federal judge, and
Speaker 1: the Trump administration lost it's to be incorporate to bring
Speaker 1: back the Keystone Xcel oil typeline. So it seems like
Speaker 1: they're really risky assets. UM. It's interesting because Warren Buffett
Speaker 1: payment and and bought some tipeline assets, and people really
Speaker 1: watched him carefully and say, you know what it is
Speaker 1: being there and there is still like used for natural gas.
Speaker 1: UM in the transition. Natural gas man has fallen a
Speaker 1: lot in COVID over the past few months. But um,
Speaker 1: there is a use for them in terms of like
Speaker 1: building hydrogen, in terms of swishing off the coal um so,
Speaker 1: and obviously the US has a huge amount of natural
Speaker 1: gas that we're sitting on, but um all the methane
Speaker 1: leaks and all the pollution from it, people are wondering,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe it's not to say useful feel so
Speaker 1: it's a big debate, but it seems much riskier than
Speaker 1: it was a few months ago. For sure. Can you
Speaker 1: talk to us about hydrogen UM and what Europe is doing?
Speaker 1: I have to say this is you're Jason, say have
Speaker 1: you guys bought an e V. Part of the reason
Speaker 1: is is my husband is kind of like, wait for hydrogen, UM,
Speaker 1: So what are we hearing on that front? Emily, Yeah,
Speaker 1: hydrogen is really exciting. UM. I guess there's tons of
Speaker 1: movement right now to see whether you can build hydrogen
Speaker 1: without natural gas UM and whether you can make low
Speaker 1: carbon hydrogen because when hydrogen burns, it just becomes um water,
Speaker 1: and so it's really better for air pollution in the cities. UM.
Speaker 1: It's pretty easy to like go to a hydrogen station
Speaker 1: and just sort of swap out your canister as opposed
Speaker 1: to um, having to wait for a battery to recharge.
Speaker 1: So a lot of people are really excited about it.
Speaker 1: It's lighter than batteries, so, UM, if you're truck, hydrogen
Speaker 1: might be a better option. Um. So there's a lot
Speaker 1: of possibility there for sure. Look as long as it
Speaker 1: doesn't blow up. Right, That's like, I'm so glad you said,
Speaker 1: because I was like this that can actually explode? Am
Speaker 1: I misremembering a case? All right? Emily Jason, thank you
Speaker 1: as always, we took you all over the place. Thanks
Speaker 1: for coming with us. Uh, Emily Jason of course the
Speaker 1: sustainability editor for Bloomberg joining us Bloomberg that we were
Speaker 1: doing three hundred sixty degree world tours today exactly. People
Speaker 1: need to be prepared. I mean, just look ahead, it's
Speaker 1: all gonna happen. We are awaiting some comments a little
Speaker 1: later this hour from the President down in Washington meeting
Speaker 1: with the President of Mexico. UM. He told it was
Speaker 1: meant to be reporting says, it's meant to be a
Speaker 1: trilateral meeting, but it's just going to be a bilateral
Speaker 1: meeting because I was like, make it. I'm good. Borders closed,
Speaker 1: We're gonna We're gonna stay up here and listen. Mexico
Speaker 1: also dealing with the virus. Like, there's a lot going
Speaker 1: on right now. Um, so it'll be interesting to see
Speaker 1: what comes out of that. Thanks so much for listening
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