WEBVTT - Running Scared 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:03.920 Hey, everybody, welcome to this. Roebock beat me in the 0:00:04.519 --> 0:00:09.720 New York City Half Marathon episode of Amy and DJ. Yes, 0:00:09.920 --> 0:00:11.680 we did it. We made it. We crossed the. 0:00:11.600 --> 0:00:14.760 Finish line right, and I crossed the finish line one 0:00:14.840 --> 0:00:15.920 second faster than you. 0:00:16.640 --> 0:00:21.320 That is a true story. One hour, fifty seven minutes 0:00:21.560 --> 0:00:26.000 and two seconds. That's the time of Samy Robock and 0:00:26.160 --> 0:00:30.240 my time was one second more. Every race we have done, 0:00:30.320 --> 0:00:33.040 we didn't realize this till a moment ago. Every single 0:00:33.120 --> 0:00:36.239 race we have run in together, we have only been 0:00:36.280 --> 0:00:40.120 separated by one second, or our times were exactly the same. 0:00:40.520 --> 0:00:41.240 Isn't no amazing? 0:00:41.760 --> 0:00:44.760 Isn't that beautiful? That's because you willed it to be. 0:00:44.840 --> 0:00:48.480 So it's not just by happenstance or we're just training together, 0:00:48.640 --> 0:00:51.040 so we run at the same speed. You stay by 0:00:51.040 --> 0:00:54.240 my side or usually just a smidge behind me. 0:00:54.520 --> 0:00:57.440 Yes, we do all that training together and then on 0:00:57.520 --> 0:00:59.640 the day of the race, the race is the reward 0:00:59.720 --> 0:01:01.680 from all the work you put in. So that's supposed 0:01:01.680 --> 0:01:03.720 to be the fun time. I wouldn't. I could not 0:01:03.920 --> 0:01:07.360 dream of running a race not side by side with you. 0:01:07.680 --> 0:01:08.399 That's really see we. 0:01:08.560 --> 0:01:10.640 Train really if we train four together then we're going 0:01:10.720 --> 0:01:11.600 to go through it together. 0:01:11.720 --> 0:01:14.720 It is something to experience it with you by my side. 0:01:15.160 --> 0:01:16.959 You know, we can see the same signs, we look 0:01:17.000 --> 0:01:19.520 at the same faces. We can you just you feel 0:01:19.520 --> 0:01:21.679 connected to the person next to you. So I love 0:01:21.840 --> 0:01:24.200 running races by your side. I think I'm gonna have 0:01:24.240 --> 0:01:25.760 to opt out of a couple of them just so 0:01:25.840 --> 0:01:27.800 I can watch you do your personal best. I also 0:01:27.959 --> 0:01:32.960 do feel absolute guilt that you know, you don't push yourself, 0:01:33.000 --> 0:01:35.920 you don't see what your best is because you're next 0:01:35.920 --> 0:01:37.280 to me. But I do appreciate it. 0:01:37.280 --> 0:01:39.600 No, no, no, don't feel guilt. You really you are the 0:01:39.640 --> 0:01:41.560 one that got me into running in the first place, 0:01:42.080 --> 0:01:44.800 and we've all those training runs. People don't we talk 0:01:44.840 --> 0:01:48.120 about running and people might see us make posts about running. Folks. 0:01:48.240 --> 0:01:50.280 This is a lot of getting up at four and 0:01:50.400 --> 0:01:54.240 five in the morning, five days a week, four months 0:01:54.760 --> 0:01:56.960 to go out there and get ready for that race day. 0:01:57.080 --> 0:01:59.320 So there's no way doing all that with you, all 0:01:59.360 --> 0:02:02.680 that pain, and then I'm just gonna buye. I'm gonna 0:02:02.680 --> 0:02:05.560 take off. I'll see it later at the finanh Now, I'll. 0:02:05.400 --> 0:02:07.280 Eventually we'll get to the finish line and we can 0:02:07.320 --> 0:02:10.680 celebrate together. But we did have so much fun. We 0:02:10.760 --> 0:02:15.840 felt like this year's race was the easiest, calm, mist 0:02:15.960 --> 0:02:17.760 most peaceful. We just felt like we were in a 0:02:17.760 --> 0:02:20.079 really good zen space. And then it dawned on us 0:02:20.120 --> 0:02:23.120 perhaps why that was so. Yes, the weather was good, 0:02:23.360 --> 0:02:26.040 we've had other good weather races. This was specific. 0:02:26.080 --> 0:02:28.400 But training we trained just the same as we were 0:02:28.400 --> 0:02:29.560 always well trained. 0:02:29.600 --> 0:02:29.760 Yep. 0:02:29.840 --> 0:02:33.240 But for whatever reason, we were out there kicking it. 0:02:33.360 --> 0:02:36.800 We were having a blast, we were keeping great times. 0:02:36.960 --> 0:02:39.799 We're like, wow, this is amazing, what is going on? 0:02:39.880 --> 0:02:41.960 And then you were the one that kind of pieced 0:02:41.960 --> 0:02:44.760 it together. The last couple of times we've had races together, 0:02:45.000 --> 0:02:46.799 I've been a bit of turmoil. 0:02:46.960 --> 0:02:49.840 Yes, we've had photographers chasing us for all the wrong reasons. 0:02:49.880 --> 0:02:53.160 We actually had to run under aliases. So this was 0:02:53.280 --> 0:02:55.920 the first time we've run a race since we have 0:02:56.160 --> 0:02:58.920 spoken out and taken back our narrative and you've heard 0:02:58.960 --> 0:03:03.520 it on the podcast, and we've started to become ourselves again, 0:03:03.560 --> 0:03:05.560 and so we felt like that for the first time. 0:03:05.960 --> 0:03:08.040 Yes we're running by each other, Yes we're in love, 0:03:08.080 --> 0:03:10.280 and our heads were held up high and our names 0:03:10.280 --> 0:03:12.280 were on the roster, and it felt good. 0:03:12.360 --> 0:03:14.079 Do you remember your alias from last year? 0:03:14.120 --> 0:03:16.680 I was trying to think of it. Yours was really 0:03:16.760 --> 0:03:18.359 Oh man, We'll have to come up with them later 0:03:18.360 --> 0:03:20.320 because they were really good. I took a picture of 0:03:20.360 --> 0:03:22.920 them and it was just so funny. I think you 0:03:22.960 --> 0:03:25.919 were Thomas Hobart. I don't know why. I just remember that. 0:03:26.000 --> 0:03:28.720 Oh my goodness, I can't remember what you were. See. 0:03:28.880 --> 0:03:30.960 I remember your name because it was so not you. 0:03:31.080 --> 0:03:31.919 It was hilarious. 0:03:32.000 --> 0:03:34.880 It was great to your point, And maybe that had 0:03:34.920 --> 0:03:37.080 a lot to do. And of course running is a 0:03:37.080 --> 0:03:40.440 lot has to do with being mental, but a lot 0:03:40.480 --> 0:03:42.680 of what we've been going through recently and being back 0:03:42.680 --> 0:03:44.720 out there and being social, the race was a big 0:03:44.800 --> 0:03:47.920 part of it, and fellowship is a big part of 0:03:48.160 --> 0:03:51.520 I guess what is fueling us and making us feel 0:03:51.600 --> 0:03:52.320 lighter these days? 0:03:52.360 --> 0:03:54.440 That's right, And every time I run a race, I 0:03:54.440 --> 0:03:58.440 am reminded of the importance of all of those connections. 0:03:59.040 --> 0:04:01.160 A lot of people know from uh. I guess the 0:04:01.240 --> 0:04:03.640 end of twenty twenty two we lost touch with a 0:04:03.640 --> 0:04:06.280 lot of people, giving what was going on with us 0:04:06.280 --> 0:04:09.000 at the time in the turmoil, and really close friends 0:04:09.000 --> 0:04:11.040 that we stayed in touch with, maybe via text or 0:04:11.080 --> 0:04:13.720 phone call, we still weren't able to see and last 0:04:13.840 --> 0:04:17.920 night this it's fair to say somebody we've been through 0:04:18.040 --> 0:04:19.800 all kinds of ups and down with over the past 0:04:19.800 --> 0:04:22.279 ten years, and we haven't had a chance to see, 0:04:22.320 --> 0:04:25.680 actually for almost a year and a half, which is unbelievable. 0:04:26.279 --> 0:04:28.920 But we got to sit and see a friend yesterday 0:04:29.320 --> 0:04:32.120 and it was I think I was overwhelmed in an 0:04:32.120 --> 0:04:34.080 emotional way, more so than I even thought I would be. 0:04:34.480 --> 0:04:37.760 It was a reunion, you know, and I think anyone 0:04:37.760 --> 0:04:40.960 who's gone through something abrupt where you don't expect not 0:04:41.080 --> 0:04:43.400 to see someone for a very long period of time, 0:04:43.440 --> 0:04:46.840 that's exactly what happened. And so yes, I want to 0:04:46.839 --> 0:04:49.760 make it clear we were staying in touch text, but 0:04:49.839 --> 0:04:51.919 it's not the same, obviously, it's not the same. So 0:04:51.960 --> 0:04:54.960 when you get to hug that person and catch up 0:04:55.000 --> 0:04:57.560 with that person and see that person and how they're 0:04:57.600 --> 0:05:00.120 doing and share stories about what it's been like, it 0:05:00.160 --> 0:05:02.520 was just it was exactly what we needed. We haven't 0:05:02.720 --> 0:05:04.640 had enough of that, and I think they're starting to 0:05:04.680 --> 0:05:08.360 come now and it's made a huge difference in our 0:05:08.400 --> 0:05:11.919 mental health for sure, because connection is so important, and 0:05:12.000 --> 0:05:16.120 especially I think we oftentimes take for granted the connections 0:05:16.160 --> 0:05:18.800 we have and the access we have to people, and 0:05:18.839 --> 0:05:25.080 then sometimes without realizing it, it stops and there's a loss. 0:05:24.839 --> 0:05:27.520 There's almost a mourning of that, and so you don't 0:05:27.520 --> 0:05:30.800 maybe even realize the impact it's had until yes, you 0:05:30.880 --> 0:05:33.560 have a reunion, and then it's a reminder to make 0:05:33.600 --> 0:05:37.320 the effort to go out to see people face to face. 0:05:37.360 --> 0:05:39.400 I think that's a big problem these days because zoom 0:05:39.440 --> 0:05:41.559 allows you not to do that, or even texting it 0:05:41.600 --> 0:05:45.120 feels like you're in contact, but there's nothing that replaces 0:05:45.200 --> 0:05:49.640 that one on one face to face, getting to hug 0:05:49.720 --> 0:05:51.120 your friend kind of feeling. 0:05:51.320 --> 0:05:53.520 Even face time I think fools us into thinking we're 0:05:53.520 --> 0:05:55.600 spending time with people face to face, but we're not. 0:05:55.760 --> 0:05:59.000 But it was I think this was another where we 0:05:59.160 --> 0:06:02.680 came into this and we were so careful in where 0:06:02.680 --> 0:06:05.000 we were going to meet because for whatever reason, we 0:06:05.080 --> 0:06:07.960 felt like, hey, we don't want you to be seen 0:06:08.080 --> 0:06:12.120 or photographed with us, just in case that might come 0:06:12.160 --> 0:06:13.840 off bad for you and your world. 0:06:14.080 --> 0:06:14.520 Like that was. 0:06:15.200 --> 0:06:17.680 We've said this to some people and it's embarrassing to say, 0:06:17.680 --> 0:06:20.320 and every friend says, are you freaking kidding me? Stop 0:06:20.360 --> 0:06:24.400 with that, but we've been programmed for what we A 0:06:24.400 --> 0:06:27.080 lot of what we endured. We were programmed to think 0:06:27.120 --> 0:06:29.880 that people don't like us, don't love us, don'tant anything 0:06:29.920 --> 0:06:32.120 to do with us. And it was really nice to 0:06:32.160 --> 0:06:35.440 be reconnected with that friend. Like you said, people for 0:06:35.480 --> 0:06:39.680 whatever reason, you don't you forget like you take it 0:06:39.720 --> 0:06:42.039 for granted when you see them every day and you 0:06:42.160 --> 0:06:46.039 lose them sometimes with death or they're moving. But this 0:06:46.080 --> 0:06:48.719 one was in town with us and we lost connection, 0:06:49.080 --> 0:06:51.200 that personal one on one time, and it was good to. 0:06:51.120 --> 0:06:54.680 Have it back. Yeah, reminder to anyone out there, you know, yes, 0:06:54.800 --> 0:06:56.800 calling a friends great, checking in on a friend, but 0:06:58.120 --> 0:07:01.440 meet up, have some coffee, have a drink, do something. 0:07:01.480 --> 0:07:03.280 Just there's got to be that person who you know 0:07:03.400 --> 0:07:06.200 it's been on your mind that you've lost that personal 0:07:06.240 --> 0:07:09.920 touch with. Let this be a reminder to make that 0:07:10.000 --> 0:07:11.960 date and to make that appointment to meet up, because 0:07:12.000 --> 0:07:14.800 it does. Oh my gosh, we're still riding high. I 0:07:14.840 --> 0:07:17.200 think from having had that meeting. 0:07:17.280 --> 0:07:19.240 Now, was that before or after my dad called? 0:07:19.600 --> 0:07:22.679 It was it was right after, but actually your dad's 0:07:22.680 --> 0:07:25.120 called a couple of times, so it's been Sandwich. I 0:07:25.160 --> 0:07:26.880 think you just got off the phone with them. 0:07:26.920 --> 0:07:29.760 Well yesterday it freaked this out because and again another thing, 0:07:30.080 --> 0:07:32.080 parents and anybody out here you could relate to this. 0:07:32.200 --> 0:07:35.720 Your parents, if you still have them, they're still with you. Good, great, 0:07:36.120 --> 0:07:37.920 But how many times do you get a message from 0:07:37.960 --> 0:07:40.119 your parents and you get a certain age, everybody starts 0:07:40.160 --> 0:07:42.760 breaking down a little bit, having some health issues. But 0:07:42.840 --> 0:07:46.240 you start getting more messages from your parents and they're all, hey, 0:07:46.400 --> 0:07:48.760 So I went to the doctor the day you put 0:07:48.800 --> 0:07:51.480 me on this prescription, and then I came home and 0:07:51.560 --> 0:07:53.960 my left side is bothering me a little bit, and 0:07:54.000 --> 0:07:56.960 then I had had some chicken last night and this 0:07:57.000 --> 0:08:00.240 morning my heart just think right like, every mess did 0:08:00.280 --> 0:08:03.280 you get from parents, now, it has to do with 0:08:03.280 --> 0:08:04.880 their health, it's an update on their health. 0:08:05.320 --> 0:08:08.240 Whether yeah, and my mom's going through something right now too, 0:08:08.320 --> 0:08:09.920 you know, we got I got a phone call in 0:08:10.000 --> 0:08:13.160 December and she fell and she is still dealing with 0:08:13.240 --> 0:08:16.520 she had to have surgery and now there's PT. But 0:08:17.000 --> 0:08:19.679 you realize if you don't have your health, you don't 0:08:19.720 --> 0:08:22.800 have anything. And as we watch our parents' age, obviously 0:08:22.840 --> 0:08:27.920 that becomes the center, like the central focus, because there 0:08:28.080 --> 0:08:31.200 is a deterioration of the body and so that is 0:08:31.240 --> 0:08:33.320 what's on their minds, and that is typically what you 0:08:33.400 --> 0:08:34.160 end up talking about. 0:08:34.240 --> 0:08:37.920 We feel bad in that so often we you and 0:08:37.920 --> 0:08:40.280 I have talked about and we've done it playfully, yeah, like, 0:08:40.280 --> 0:08:42.480 oh my goodness. All I did was said hi, and 0:08:42.520 --> 0:08:45.160 then she talked to the next thirty minutes about our health. 0:08:45.200 --> 0:08:47.760 Like it's almost how you feel bad or complaining about 0:08:47.760 --> 0:08:50.920 it and jokingly. 0:08:50.520 --> 0:08:53.200 In some way, but it's, man, it's serious. 0:08:53.400 --> 0:08:55.880 Yesterday was serious. You you've been around planning with my 0:08:55.960 --> 0:08:58.120 dad's around the conversations we have and how he gets 0:08:58.120 --> 0:09:02.199 going and what he's talking about. But yesterday it sobered. 0:09:02.200 --> 0:09:06.760 It really was a sobering reminder of how everybody's getting older. 0:09:06.760 --> 0:09:10.760 And he had he did, he had a cardiologists appointment 0:09:11.360 --> 0:09:15.320 that was coming up the following day. And you said it, 0:09:15.480 --> 0:09:17.559 but I couldn't tell, like, dude, is it serious or 0:09:17.600 --> 0:09:19.600 is it not serious? He's saying, well, I might have 0:09:19.640 --> 0:09:21.640 to go to the murderency room. I'm packing a bag 0:09:21.679 --> 0:09:23.560 in case they don't let me come back home, Like 0:09:23.600 --> 0:09:25.960 what the hell? And then he say, yeah, it's fine, 0:09:25.960 --> 0:09:29.920 no big deal. But you pointed out to me that 0:09:30.040 --> 0:09:31.800 you know what he was actually trying to comfort me, 0:09:32.200 --> 0:09:33.040 and what he was saying. 0:09:32.920 --> 0:09:35.480 Yeah, and you could tell he was nervous and he 0:09:35.520 --> 0:09:38.520 wanted you to know that something could happen, but then 0:09:38.880 --> 0:09:40.560 he was trying to make you feel better about it. 0:09:40.600 --> 0:09:43.719 But deep down you could tell he was nervous and 0:09:44.040 --> 0:09:45.719 was concerned. And he made the point He's like, I'm 0:09:45.760 --> 0:09:48.760 seventy six years old when your doctor tells you to 0:09:48.800 --> 0:09:53.280 go to the cardiologist, and that's not a it's always serious, right, Yeah, 0:09:55.520 --> 0:09:57.240 good point, good point, touchet. 0:09:58.280 --> 0:10:01.120 But yeah, well, we talked so much about physical health. 0:10:01.200 --> 0:10:05.320 Mental health is clearly a big part of the discussion 0:10:05.360 --> 0:10:08.920 these days, and we were Look, I've talked, and I've 0:10:08.960 --> 0:10:13.240 talked in some ways just on the surface about what 0:10:13.280 --> 0:10:16.520 I've dealt with with mental health that in twenty fifteen 0:10:16.800 --> 0:10:20.960 diagnosed as moderately severe depression, and I didn't do anything 0:10:21.000 --> 0:10:24.160 about it. I didn't change any of my habits. I 0:10:24.160 --> 0:10:26.480 didn't go on an antidepresent, I didn't go to therapy. 0:10:26.520 --> 0:10:29.560 I didn't do anything for about four plus years and 0:10:29.720 --> 0:10:33.200 just let that fester. And you were witnessed to like 0:10:33.240 --> 0:10:35.439 a four year deterioration of mind and you didn't even 0:10:35.480 --> 0:10:38.319 realize what was going on. But you have talked about 0:10:38.400 --> 0:10:41.960 now in very scary ways, just what you were witnessing 0:10:42.000 --> 0:10:42.480 at the time. 0:10:42.520 --> 0:10:45.840 From me, I was worried about you. 0:10:45.080 --> 0:10:46.600 You are. 0:10:48.640 --> 0:10:50.000 Let me just say this. You don't have a poker 0:10:50.040 --> 0:10:53.880 face when you're upset or you're sad, or you're down 0:10:54.080 --> 0:10:58.280 or whatever. I mean, it's palpable. It's all over. It's 0:10:58.360 --> 0:11:01.520 not just in your face, but it's your it's how 0:11:01.559 --> 0:11:05.080 you carry yourself. Everything changes and shifts, and so yes, 0:11:05.240 --> 0:11:09.160 I saw that shift in you, and it's one of 0:11:09.160 --> 0:11:12.920 those things where you want to help, and I tried, 0:11:13.200 --> 0:11:15.920 but at the end of the day, thank you. But 0:11:15.920 --> 0:11:18.040 but it's it's you. You're the one who has to 0:11:18.040 --> 0:11:21.000 pull yourself up. You're the one who has to figure 0:11:21.040 --> 0:11:26.000 out how to just shift to change, whether it's with 0:11:26.120 --> 0:11:30.199 a prescription, or if it's through a therapist, or it's 0:11:30.240 --> 0:11:32.319 through friends. I mean, there are obviously a lot of 0:11:32.360 --> 0:11:35.319 different avenues. But for four years I didn't realize that 0:11:35.360 --> 0:11:36.720 it went on for that long. 0:11:38.840 --> 0:11:41.840 It did without being addressed. When I when I finally 0:11:41.880 --> 0:11:47.480 started dressing, it was almost too late. You talked, We've 0:11:47.480 --> 0:11:49.600 talked about it before. I used to know how long, 0:11:49.720 --> 0:11:52.480 how far, the how many miles It took to walk 0:11:52.480 --> 0:11:57.680 from downtown to the ABC offices because I spent nights 0:11:58.120 --> 0:12:01.040 literally on the streets of New York. I've spent nights 0:12:02.000 --> 0:12:05.280 sitting and sleeping on a bench in Midtown. I've spent 0:12:05.400 --> 0:12:08.960 nights just walking up and down just because I didn't 0:12:09.000 --> 0:12:11.840 want to be home, because I didn't have it together. 0:12:12.040 --> 0:12:15.720 So we talk about mental health, and you've talked about 0:12:15.760 --> 0:12:18.880 how running has been such a big part of it 0:12:19.000 --> 0:12:22.559 for you because you went through it with antidepressants. We've 0:12:22.559 --> 0:12:24.320 talked about so you don't mind me saying that, But 0:12:24.679 --> 0:12:26.560 during the time when you were dealing with your breast 0:12:26.600 --> 0:12:29.959 cancer diagnosis and treatment that they had you go. 0:12:29.960 --> 0:12:33.600 That direction, right, I couldn't run. Actually then I could 0:12:33.600 --> 0:12:35.959 barely run and a mile would be the most I 0:12:35.960 --> 0:12:37.720 could do, and a lot of days I couldn't do that. 0:12:37.760 --> 0:12:40.000 So I didn't have the outlet that I had always had. 0:12:40.040 --> 0:12:42.560 So for a year my doctors put me on an 0:12:42.559 --> 0:12:47.959 antidepressant because the anxiety, the stress, the pressure, the overthinking, 0:12:48.440 --> 0:12:51.640 the fear, all of that just comes crashing down on you. 0:12:51.679 --> 0:12:53.920 And if you don't have an outlet, if you don't 0:12:53.920 --> 0:12:58.240 have something that you can do and use and lean on. Yes, 0:12:58.320 --> 0:13:01.839 I had to get on antidepressants for a full year 0:13:01.920 --> 0:13:05.200 and they help. They did it. It numbs you a little, 0:13:05.240 --> 0:13:06.800 I mean, I don't. I think that might be the 0:13:06.800 --> 0:13:09.040 comp the complaint a lot of people have who are 0:13:09.040 --> 0:13:11.560 on it, because there are always side effects to any 0:13:11.600 --> 0:13:13.480 drug you take, so that's the downside of it. But 0:13:13.559 --> 0:13:16.200 sometimes that is the only outlet when you're in a 0:13:16.240 --> 0:13:17.840 certain place or space mentally. 0:13:17.960 --> 0:13:20.120 But physical they warn you about physical. 0:13:20.440 --> 0:13:23.520 Well, you can you can, I mean there can in 0:13:23.559 --> 0:13:25.520 some cases. There can be weight gained, there can be 0:13:25.559 --> 0:13:28.960 there's sexual side effects where you just have no libido. 0:13:29.640 --> 0:13:32.439 You you're numb, You don't have you might not have 0:13:32.640 --> 0:13:35.120 the lows, but you also don't get the highs. You 0:13:35.160 --> 0:13:39.640 don't experience a wide range of emotion that you would 0:13:39.679 --> 0:13:42.960 have maybe otherwise. So it prevents the low, but you 0:13:43.040 --> 0:13:46.240 also are numbed down from the high, which isn't something 0:13:46.240 --> 0:13:47.600 that most people would prefer to do. 0:13:47.679 --> 0:13:50.560 So antidepressants, I think it makes sense. People know that 0:13:50.559 --> 0:13:53.199 they just kind of exploded in popularity that's not the 0:13:53.240 --> 0:13:56.320 right word popularity, ish say, but in usage during the pandemic. 0:13:56.960 --> 0:14:02.040 And you talked about running as therapy, and I was, 0:14:02.200 --> 0:14:04.600 I was, I didn't realize this, but it's fascinating that 0:14:04.640 --> 0:14:05.920 the study was done. I think at the end of 0:14:06.000 --> 0:14:08.760 last year the results were put out that they gave 0:14:08.800 --> 0:14:13.240 people that had anxiety disorder depression. One group they gave 0:14:13.280 --> 0:14:17.079 them antidepressant. The other group no antidepressant, just had them 0:14:17.120 --> 0:14:21.280 run run as exercise. Running was their therapy for to 0:14:21.360 --> 0:14:24.200 treat depression. At the end of this the two groups 0:14:25.040 --> 0:14:30.000 had the almost exact same results in terms of how 0:14:30.040 --> 0:14:33.000 it helped their mental health. The symptoms of their mental 0:14:33.040 --> 0:14:36.840 health improved the same in both those groups. One group 0:14:37.480 --> 0:14:38.360 only ran. 0:14:38.480 --> 0:14:42.240 And the side effects from the running were all good 0:14:43.160 --> 0:14:45.080 versus the side effects from a lot of the drugs 0:14:45.120 --> 0:14:46.120 are not good. 0:14:46.240 --> 0:14:51.240 So the conclusion is that arguably running is better for 0:14:51.280 --> 0:14:55.960 your health and treating your depression, your anxiety anxiety disorder 0:14:56.960 --> 0:14:59.720 is a better option for a lot of people than 0:15:00.200 --> 0:15:02.160 to actually take antidepressants. 0:15:02.200 --> 0:15:03.960 And I believe I don't know if it was a 0:15:03.960 --> 0:15:07.360 part of this study, but the cool thing is you 0:15:07.400 --> 0:15:09.600 don't have to be a marathon or or a half 0:15:09.640 --> 0:15:11.880 marathon or or a ten They're saying if you run 0:15:11.920 --> 0:15:15.240 as little as one mile a couple of times a week, 0:15:15.600 --> 0:15:28.800 the effects of that are significant and documentable, so. 0:15:28.720 --> 0:15:31.640 Everyone knows we are obviously big runners. But the New 0:15:31.720 --> 0:15:33.880 York Road Runners you have heard us speak about them 0:15:34.160 --> 0:15:36.480 quite a bit, but they're the organization that's in charge 0:15:36.480 --> 0:15:39.920 of putting these races together here in New York, including 0:15:39.960 --> 0:15:44.320 the United Have Marathon and also the New York City Marathon. 0:15:45.600 --> 0:15:51.120 But a big focus of the CEO now is to 0:15:51.520 --> 0:15:57.600 make running a part of treating mental health, like an 0:15:57.720 --> 0:16:03.040 actual therapy for mental health. And that is fascinating to 0:16:03.120 --> 0:16:05.400 me because the running I do. You got me into 0:16:05.440 --> 0:16:07.520 it and then yeah, it did help me going through 0:16:07.560 --> 0:16:09.280 some very difficult times, but I didn't focus on it 0:16:09.320 --> 0:16:11.800 because of that. But I got all those benefits. Now 0:16:11.840 --> 0:16:13.680 I'm just a runner and I'm loving and I missed day. 0:16:13.720 --> 0:16:18.720 I don't feel good if I don't run. But Rob 0:16:18.800 --> 0:16:21.800 Simulcare is the name I got the right right. I 0:16:21.840 --> 0:16:23.560 had to look over at him and still, because we 0:16:23.920 --> 0:16:27.360 talked and we practiced, and still we got to the moment, Rob, 0:16:27.400 --> 0:16:28.800 and I still was unsure. 0:16:28.920 --> 0:16:30.240 I was hoping that you were going to do it 0:16:30.240 --> 0:16:32.720 because I started to panic. There's a lot of consonants 0:16:32.760 --> 0:16:35.440 in your last name, Rob, and it's very intimidating even 0:16:35.640 --> 0:16:37.040 for those of us who had to say a lot 0:16:37.080 --> 0:16:39.880 of fancy names over the years. Still I was like, 0:16:40.040 --> 0:16:42.440 please let TJ say it. I hope he says it. 0:16:42.560 --> 0:16:44.960 He nailed it. That's true, broadcast professional. 0:16:45.040 --> 0:16:47.160 But ro we were actually we wanted to get to 0:16:47.200 --> 0:16:49.080 you earlier, but we were going back and forth. I 0:16:49.080 --> 0:16:49.960 hope she says it first. 0:16:50.040 --> 0:16:51.560 Oh, he says it. 0:16:51.840 --> 0:16:55.120 But but Rob Simulcare is, yes, the CEO of New 0:16:55.160 --> 0:16:57.400 York road Runners. It's good to have you. Appreciate everything 0:16:57.440 --> 0:16:59.640 your organization has been doing for us over the years 0:16:59.680 --> 0:17:01.640 and so apporting us and our running and helping us 0:17:01.640 --> 0:17:04.080 get the message out. But this was something that I 0:17:04.119 --> 0:17:06.840 think goes beyond just putting on shoes and running and 0:17:06.880 --> 0:17:09.119 having a good time and being a community event. And 0:17:09.880 --> 0:17:12.480 why is it? And I think I said it right. 0:17:12.640 --> 0:17:18.080 You want running to actually be mental health therapy. 0:17:19.040 --> 0:17:21.640 Well, first of all, thank you for having me. It's 0:17:21.680 --> 0:17:24.120 great to be with both of you, and I want 0:17:24.119 --> 0:17:26.919 to throw the thanks back to you because both of 0:17:26.960 --> 0:17:29.680 you have done a lot for New York Roadrunners. You've 0:17:29.760 --> 0:17:33.040 run with us, Amy, You've been a supporter of Team 0:17:33.080 --> 0:17:36.880 for Kids and all of our community programs, our youth programs. 0:17:36.920 --> 0:17:39.560 So it means a lot for us to have you 0:17:39.600 --> 0:17:41.440 guys in our community, and I just want to thank 0:17:41.480 --> 0:17:45.280 you for having me here. TJ to your question. Yeah, 0:17:45.280 --> 0:17:48.840 when I became CEO just over a year ago, one 0:17:48.840 --> 0:17:50.920 of the things I did start talking about a lot 0:17:51.240 --> 0:17:54.919 was the mental health benefits of running. And you know, 0:17:55.760 --> 0:17:58.600 people who run, and you guys are what you just 0:17:58.640 --> 0:18:01.000 said in the intro, I say it a whole lot better, 0:18:01.119 --> 0:18:04.840 right in terms of like the the impact that runners 0:18:05.000 --> 0:18:08.400 know running has on their mental health. And I when 0:18:08.400 --> 0:18:11.399 I ask people why they run, you know, and I 0:18:11.480 --> 0:18:13.639 talk to people to finish line of our races or whatever, 0:18:14.040 --> 0:18:17.200 I'd say, the most frequent answer I get is mental health. 0:18:17.280 --> 0:18:17.399 Right. 0:18:17.440 --> 0:18:19.600 The people will put it in different ways. They'll say 0:18:19.920 --> 0:18:23.119 it's a stress relief, or it clears my mind, or 0:18:23.480 --> 0:18:25.920 you know, it just gives me that moment to kind 0:18:25.920 --> 0:18:28.720 of be, you know, with myself, especially if they just 0:18:28.760 --> 0:18:31.399 kind of run alone, and so various very you know, 0:18:31.440 --> 0:18:34.680 different variations of it, but they're all saying that it's 0:18:34.720 --> 0:18:39.520 the impact that has on their minds that really drives 0:18:39.560 --> 0:18:42.239 them to keep doing it over and over again. And 0:18:42.280 --> 0:18:46.040 so it's a real thing. Some people call it the 0:18:46.200 --> 0:18:48.480 you know, some people call it the so called runners high, right, 0:18:48.520 --> 0:18:50.600 and that that that's something that is a term that's 0:18:50.600 --> 0:18:53.200 thrown around sometimes, you know, for people who run a 0:18:53.240 --> 0:18:55.440 long way and how you feel afterwards, but you don't 0:18:55.440 --> 0:18:57.919 have to run to Amy's point long distances, you know, 0:18:58.000 --> 0:19:01.359 a consistent habit of two three miles a week just 0:19:01.400 --> 0:19:04.160 to get out there. That feeling of you know, getting 0:19:04.200 --> 0:19:07.800 your body moving, getting your heart rate up. It's magical 0:19:07.840 --> 0:19:09.399 for those of us who know it, and so I 0:19:09.440 --> 0:19:12.320 want more people to know that, so that folks who 0:19:12.359 --> 0:19:16.640 are struggling again. It doesn't necessarily mean it's a substitute 0:19:16.640 --> 0:19:19.280 for other forms of mental health care like therapy or 0:19:19.520 --> 0:19:21.920 medication as it's needed, but for a lot of people 0:19:22.000 --> 0:19:23.080 it can make a big difference. 0:19:23.359 --> 0:19:28.120 Will you put this runners high? Will either one of you? Actually? 0:19:28.160 --> 0:19:29.520 Because I hear it all the time, and I've been 0:19:29.560 --> 0:19:31.280 running a long time. I got a couple of marathons 0:19:31.359 --> 0:19:33.040 under my bell. I don't know if I've ever had a. 0:19:33.080 --> 0:19:36.359 Runners really yeah, I would say it's rare, and so 0:19:36.400 --> 0:19:39.840