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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, welcome to this. Roebock beat me in the

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Speaker 1: New York City Half Marathon episode of Amy and DJ. Yes,

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Speaker 1: we did it. We made it. We crossed the.

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Speaker 2: Finish line right, and I crossed the finish line one

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Speaker 2: second faster than you.

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Speaker 1: That is a true story. One hour, fifty seven minutes

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Speaker 1: and two seconds. That's the time of Samy Robock and

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Speaker 1: my time was one second more. Every race we have done,

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Speaker 1: we didn't realize this till a moment ago. Every single

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Speaker 1: race we have run in together, we have only been

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Speaker 1: separated by one second, or our times were exactly the same.

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Speaker 1: Isn't no amazing?

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Speaker 2: Isn't that beautiful? That's because you willed it to be.

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Speaker 2: So it's not just by happenstance or we're just training together,

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Speaker 2: so we run at the same speed. You stay by

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Speaker 2: my side or usually just a smidge behind me.

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Speaker 1: Yes, we do all that training together and then on

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Speaker 1: the day of the race, the race is the reward

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Speaker 1: from all the work you put in. So that's supposed

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Speaker 1: to be the fun time. I wouldn't. I could not

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Speaker 1: dream of running a race not side by side with you.

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Speaker 2: That's really see we.

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Speaker 1: Train really if we train four together then we're going

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Speaker 1: to go through it together.

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Speaker 2: It is something to experience it with you by my side.

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Speaker 2: You know, we can see the same signs, we look

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Speaker 2: at the same faces. We can you just you feel

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Speaker 2: connected to the person next to you. So I love

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Speaker 2: running races by your side. I think I'm gonna have

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Speaker 2: to opt out of a couple of them just so

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Speaker 2: I can watch you do your personal best. I also

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Speaker 2: do feel absolute guilt that you know, you don't push yourself,

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Speaker 2: you don't see what your best is because you're next

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Speaker 2: to me. But I do appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: No, no, no, don't feel guilt. You really you are the

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Speaker 1: one that got me into running in the first place,

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Speaker 1: and we've all those training runs. People don't we talk

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Speaker 1: about running and people might see us make posts about running. Folks.

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Speaker 1: This is a lot of getting up at four and

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Speaker 1: five in the morning, five days a week, four months

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Speaker 1: to go out there and get ready for that race day.

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Speaker 1: So there's no way doing all that with you, all

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Speaker 1: that pain, and then I'm just gonna buye. I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: take off. I'll see it later at the finanh Now, I'll.

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Speaker 2: Eventually we'll get to the finish line and we can

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Speaker 2: celebrate together. But we did have so much fun. We

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Speaker 2: felt like this year's race was the easiest, calm, mist

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Speaker 2: most peaceful. We just felt like we were in a

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Speaker 2: really good zen space. And then it dawned on us

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Speaker 2: perhaps why that was so. Yes, the weather was good,

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Speaker 2: we've had other good weather races. This was specific.

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Speaker 1: But training we trained just the same as we were

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Speaker 1: always well trained.

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Speaker 2: Yep.

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Speaker 1: But for whatever reason, we were out there kicking it.

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Speaker 1: We were having a blast, we were keeping great times.

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Speaker 1: We're like, wow, this is amazing, what is going on?

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Speaker 1: And then you were the one that kind of pieced

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Speaker 1: it together. The last couple of times we've had races together,

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Speaker 1: I've been a bit of turmoil.

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Speaker 2: Yes, we've had photographers chasing us for all the wrong reasons.

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Speaker 2: We actually had to run under aliases. So this was

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Speaker 2: the first time we've run a race since we have

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Speaker 2: spoken out and taken back our narrative and you've heard

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Speaker 2: it on the podcast, and we've started to become ourselves again,

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Speaker 2: and so we felt like that for the first time.

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Speaker 2: Yes we're running by each other, Yes we're in love,

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Speaker 2: and our heads were held up high and our names

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Speaker 1: Do you remember your alias from last year?

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Speaker 2: I was trying to think of it. Yours was really

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Speaker 2: Oh man, We'll have to come up with them later

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Speaker 2: because they were really good. I took a picture of

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Speaker 2: them and it was just so funny. I think you

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Speaker 2: were Thomas Hobart. I don't know why. I just remember that.

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Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, I can't remember what you were. See.

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Speaker 2: I remember your name because it was so not you.

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Speaker 2: It was hilarious.

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Speaker 1: It was great to your point, And maybe that had

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Speaker 1: a lot to do. And of course running is a

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Speaker 1: lot has to do with being mental, but a lot

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Speaker 1: of what we've been going through recently and being back

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Speaker 1: out there and being social, the race was a big

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Speaker 1: I guess what is fueling us and making us feel

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Speaker 2: That's right, And every time I run a race, I

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Speaker 1: A lot of people know from uh. I guess the

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Speaker 1: night this it's fair to say somebody we've been through

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Speaker 1: actually for almost a year and a half, which is unbelievable.

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Speaker 1: But we got to sit and see a friend yesterday

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Speaker 1: and it was I think I was overwhelmed in an

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Speaker 2: It was a reunion, you know, and I think anyone

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Speaker 2: who's gone through something abrupt where you don't expect not

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Speaker 2: to see someone for a very long period of time,

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Speaker 2: that's exactly what happened. And so yes, I want to

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Speaker 2: make it clear we were staying in touch text, but

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Speaker 2: was just it was exactly what we needed. We haven't

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Speaker 2: mental health for sure, because connection is so important, and

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Speaker 2: especially I think we oftentimes take for granted the connections

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Speaker 2: then sometimes without realizing it, it stops and there's a loss.

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Speaker 2: There's almost a mourning of that, and so you don't

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Speaker 2: have a reunion, and then it's a reminder to make

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Speaker 2: I think that's a big problem these days because zoom

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Speaker 2: allows you not to do that, or even texting it

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Speaker 2: feels like you're in contact, but there's nothing that replaces

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Speaker 1: Even face time I think fools us into thinking we're

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Speaker 1: But it was I think this was another where we

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Speaker 2: Like that was.

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Speaker 1: We've said this to some people and it's embarrassing to say,

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Speaker 1: lot of what we endured. We were programmed to think

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Speaker 1: that people don't like us, don't love us, don'tant anything

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Speaker 1: lose them sometimes with death or they're moving. But this

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Speaker 2: Have it back. Yeah, reminder to anyone out there, you know, yes,

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Speaker 2: Just there's got to be that person who you know

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Speaker 2: it's been on your mind that you've lost that personal

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Speaker 2: it does. Oh my gosh, we're still riding high. I

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Speaker 1: Now, was that before or after my dad called?

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Speaker 2: It was it was right after, but actually your dad's

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Speaker 1: Well yesterday it freaked this out because and again another thing,

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Speaker 1: your parents and you get a certain age, everybody starts

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Speaker 1: We feel bad in that so often we you and

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Speaker 2: In some way, but it's, man, it's serious.

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Speaker 1: Yesterday was serious. You you've been around planning with my

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Speaker 1: It really was a sobering reminder of how everybody's getting older.

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Speaker 1: And he had he did, he had a cardiologists appointment

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Speaker 1: what the hell? And then he say, yeah, it's fine,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you could tell he was nervous and he

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Speaker 2: But deep down you could tell he was nervous and

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Speaker 2: seventy six years old when your doctor tells you to

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Speaker 2: go to the cardiologist, and that's not a it's always serious, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: good point, good point, touchet.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, well, we talked so much about physical health.

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Speaker 1: Mental health is clearly a big part of the discussion

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Speaker 1: these days, and we were Look, I've talked, and I've

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Speaker 1: So antidepressants, I think it makes sense. People know that

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Speaker 3: win the day, right, and so much much, so much

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Speaker 3: of life, especially if you're going through a rough patch,

436
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Speaker 3: if you're feeling depressed or hopeless or whatever. So much

437
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Speaker 3: of life can be just getting out of bed, right,

438
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Speaker 3: like that decision, that conscious choice to like get up,

439
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Speaker 3: believe that something good can happen to you that day.

440
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Speaker 3: And if you get up and have that run, and

441
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Speaker 3: now check, right, a good thing already happened today, Right,

442
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Speaker 3: I already did something. I accomplished something today. It's like

443
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Speaker 3: it's like a snowball going down the hill, and the

444
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Speaker 3: momentum from that can get you to the next thing,

445
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Speaker 3: and the next thing, and the next thing, the next thing.

446
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Speaker 3: You've had a great day.

447
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Speaker 1: Some people say just simply getting up and making your bed.

448
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Speaker 1: It should always be the first thing you do because

449
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Speaker 1: you accomplished a task. You have seen this. I'm not

450
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Speaker 1: sure how I feel about you, though, and you getting

451
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Speaker 1: up and running. Let me finish. I didn't start that right,

452
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Speaker 1: Let me try again.

453
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Speaker 2: I'm not sure.

454
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Speaker 1: I let's not do this in front of company robot.

455
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Speaker 1: But the I you know, it can adjust my whole

456
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Speaker 1: day and my I get mad sometimes that I didn't

457
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Speaker 1: get the run in. Nothing else can go wrong in

458
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Speaker 1: the day. I'm just mad I didn't get to run it.

459
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Speaker 2: I you did not run one day this week, and

460
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Speaker 2: I thought, uh oh, buckle up for the rest of

461
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Speaker 2: the day because DJ didn't run. That's not a good time, but.

462
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Speaker 1: It is a good once you get into the routine,

463
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Speaker 1: into the habit. Where do you for the folks who

464
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Speaker 1: are listening, who do want to run, who want to

465
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Speaker 1: get it. They love everything you're saying, it's so difficult

466
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Speaker 1: to get them to take that first step. Or I'm

467
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Speaker 1: not a marathon I'm not a big time running all.

468
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Speaker 1: What what is that? You've had some good one liners here,

469
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Speaker 1: So what is the short speech you give people to

470
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Speaker 1: get them started.

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Speaker 3: I tell people that if you run a mile, even

472
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Speaker 3: a half a mile to start. Congratulations, you're a runner, right,

473
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Speaker 3: you have gone out and you've made it happen. I

474
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Speaker 3: think it's great to start with other people. You know,

475
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Speaker 3: if you can find a friend or a running group

476
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Speaker 3: that you can join so you're not on your own

477
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Speaker 3: doing it. I think that's an added benefit. You know,

478
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Speaker 3: we have a program here in your called Open Run,

479
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Speaker 3: which is a free running program that's in parks and

480
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Speaker 3: we do it every single weekend, and so we've had

481
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Speaker 3: a lot of people discover running that way showing up

482
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Speaker 3: at a free free run group and just giving it

483
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Speaker 3: a go with some people. And you know, it's intimidating

484
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Speaker 3: for a lot of folks if they haven't done it,

485
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Speaker 3: because they're like, well, I don't do that, and they're

486
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Speaker 3: gonna be fast and they're going to be in great

487
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Speaker 3: shape and I'm not that. Now you go and you

488
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Speaker 3: find your people, you find your tribe, and you just

489
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Speaker 3: do it. And you know, I think runners are overwhelmingly

490
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Speaker 3: like open and supportive and like want to support other

491
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Speaker 3: people getting into the sport. But even by yourself, you know,

492
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Speaker 3: you just go out, find a track, find a good

493
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Speaker 3: block on your neighborhood, and go around once and then

494
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Speaker 3: that turns into twice, and that turns into three times.

495
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Speaker 3: And you don't have to have a half a marathon

496
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Speaker 3: in your sights or a marathon for sure, right. You know,

497
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Speaker 3: maybe you get up to a few miles. Guess what,

498
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Speaker 3: that's a five k right, So it's a progressive thing.

499
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Speaker 3: But you know what, do they say the longest journey

500
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Speaker 3: must start with a single step, right, And it's the

501
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Speaker 3: same thing with running. You just got to get that

502
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Speaker 3: first step.

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Speaker 2: I think the hardest part about running for me is

504
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Speaker 2: walking out the door, like making the decision, seriously, making

505
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Speaker 2: the decision to walk and to go outside and to

506
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Speaker 2: start the run. Once I'm going, I'm good. And even

507
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Speaker 2: when I've had tough runs, which I've had some recently,

508
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Speaker 2: when I do finish it. Even I had to stop

509
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Speaker 2: the other day, I think you had a story too,

510
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Speaker 2: and I still finished it. I might have had to

511
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Speaker 2: cobble it together, but I finished it. And I have

512
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Speaker 2: always looked at running as a euphemism for life, because

513
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Speaker 2: especially when things are hard, I know I've had those

514
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Speaker 2: hard runs, but I also know I have hard days.

515
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Speaker 2: But if you finish it, the next one may be better.

516
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Speaker 2: It gives you hope. It gives you purpose, and it

517
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Speaker 2: does give you that feeling of accomplishment which creates this

518
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Speaker 2: positivity even on a negative day, even on a bad run,

519
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Speaker 2: I can still look back and say I learned something

520
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Speaker 2: from that run about myself and what I have in me.

521
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Speaker 3: So I gave a speech at the beginning of the

522
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Speaker 3: TCS New York City Marathon. This year was my first

523
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Speaker 3: time as CEO for that race, and what I said

524
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Speaker 3: to all the runners at the starting line in Staten

525
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Speaker 3: Island was congratulations. And I was like, well, maybe you're

526
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Speaker 3: wondering why I'm saying congratulations to you. You're at the

527
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Speaker 3: starting line. You haven't run the race yet, right, But

528
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Speaker 3: you got here, right. And it's really hard to get

529
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Speaker 3: to the starting line of races, especially marathons. We know

530
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Speaker 3: how hard that is with all the training, But just

531
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Speaker 3: to get to the starting line of a five k

532
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Speaker 3: or to your point, Amy, just to get out the door, right.

533
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Speaker 3: All those people who line up at the starting line

534
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Speaker 3: of a marathon have gotten out the door day in

535
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Speaker 3: and day out, and so that's the accomplishment, right, And

536
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Speaker 3: whatever happens for the twenty six point two miles whatever,

537
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Speaker 3: that's the gravy, but the key was getting to the

538
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Speaker 3: starting line. So you know you say it, it's you

539
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Speaker 3: said it perfectly. It's a metaphor for life. And I

540
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Speaker 3: think the reasons so many runners are successful people in

541
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Speaker 3: various endeavors in life, yourselves included, is because you know,

542
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Speaker 3: when you're running a marathon, that option to quit is

543
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:20,600
Speaker 3: always right there. It's in front of you. It's so

544
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Speaker 3: easy to just quit. And people who finish they didn't

545
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Speaker 3: take the option. They never took the off rame.

546
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Speaker 2: They thought about it a lot.

547
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Speaker 1: And Brooklyn is hard. You want to stop at all

548
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Speaker 1: those pubs.

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Speaker 2: Love you. Oh, there is a stretch there in Brooklyn

550
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Speaker 2: that you just you want to say. You see all

551
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Speaker 2: the red solo cubs. You're like, I think I'm going

552
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Speaker 2: to stop and join their party, but they are partying.

553
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Speaker 1: What is we put this? It feels like I think

554
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Speaker 1: it is the greatest day in New York every year

555
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Speaker 1: is in New York City Marathon. I don't know where

556
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Speaker 1: that comes from, or how it's just over time or what,

557
00:26:57,200 --> 00:27:00,720
Speaker 1: but the city embraces they're not runners, they don't have

558
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:03,520
Speaker 1: anybody running in it, but the city just gives you

559
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Speaker 1: a big old hug and you feel it almost every

560
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Speaker 1: step of that journey. How special is that day? Do

561
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Speaker 1: you see anything that happens in New York that is

562
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Speaker 1: more special that we all come together in that way

563
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Speaker 1: to root on people.

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Speaker 3: No, it's the best day of the year in New York.

565
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:25,960
Speaker 3: Obviously I'm biased, but I think most people agree, even

566
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Speaker 3: the non runners agree that it's just a special day.

567
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Speaker 3: And I just think it's because you've got folks out

568
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Speaker 3: there cheering on strangers. You know, they're there to support

569
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Speaker 3: people they don't know. Yes, a lot of them have

570
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:41,800
Speaker 3: a friend running or something like that, but while they're

571
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Speaker 3: waiting for that friend, they are cheering for the strangers.

572
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Speaker 3: They are, you know, putting up the signs. I love

573
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Speaker 3: the signs.

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Speaker 2: Signs are great.

575
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Speaker 3: They're so key, you know, to getting runners through this race.

576
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Speaker 3: The funny signs. You need to laugh during a race

577
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 3: like that.

578
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Speaker 1: Yes, so my favorite. The first race I did, I

579
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Speaker 1: didn't know about the signs, right, And what was the

580
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:02,399
Speaker 1: one that said don't trust that fart?

581
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's after mile whatever right.

582
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Speaker 1: In the half marathon sign that says I'm only half impressed.

583
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Speaker 1: I didn't like that one. That was offensive to get here,

584
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Speaker 1: But some of the signs they do carry you through.

585
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Speaker 2: Oh without a doubt, and just the time that people

586
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:20,199
Speaker 2: have taken to make it and to pass things out.

587
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 2: I mean, normally I wouldn't take a banana from a

588
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 2: stranger or an orange from a stranger, but I do

589
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 2: on marathon day.

590
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:28,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, they just pull it out of the box with

591
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Speaker 1: a dirty hand. Sure sounds like a good idea.

592
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 2: Well, you know, fuel is fuel at that point, right,

593
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Speaker 2: what does it I'm curious. Fifty thousand runners typically in

594
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Speaker 2: the New York City Marathon.

595
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 3: Last year, you're fifty fifty one and change.

596
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 2: Yes, how many people do you have to turn away?

597
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Speaker 3: Well, we have over one hundred thousand who apply for

598
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Speaker 3: the drawing every year. We're actually, as we speak taping

599
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 3: this podcast today, we're in the middle of sign up

600
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Speaker 3: period actually for the marathon, and so we're already you know,

601
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Speaker 3: well over a one hundred thousand. Don't know where we'll

602
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:02,480
Speaker 3: end up, but we we get a tremendous amount of interest.

603
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 3: Of course every year, and there's different ways to get

604
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:08,720
Speaker 3: into the marathon, but the entry drawing always gets into

605
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Speaker 3: well into the six figures.

606
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Speaker 2: That's incredible. So if you think about the fact, what

607
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 2: do they say less than one percent of the world's

608
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 2: population has ever run a marathon, and you have fifty

609
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:22,680
Speaker 2: thousand people who can't even get into the marathon because

610
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 2: there's such a demand. That's a pretty remarkable, remarkable thing

611
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 2: to What do you attribute.

612
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:30,600
Speaker 3: That, Well, the marathon has been popular for a long time.

613
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 3: The TCS New York City Marathon in particular is such

614
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 3: a big part of New York that I think so

615
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 3: many people have it on their bucket list of something

616
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 3: to do, So I think that's been a long standing thing.

617
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Speaker 3: I think what's different now, though, amy is all of

618
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:46,240
Speaker 3: our races sell out. It's not just the marathon. We

619
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Speaker 3: are literally sold out for the five k that's in

620
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Speaker 3: Central Park or the ten k in Queens. All of

621
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Speaker 3: our races sell out, and they sell out very quickly

622
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Speaker 3: as well. And I think that is my theory at least,

623
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Speaker 3: is the pandem right. The pandemic was such a tough

624
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 3: period for so many people. There wasn't anything else you

625
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 3: could do but run, right, if you wanted to exercise,

626
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:09,960
Speaker 3: I mean, you could do sit ups in your bedroom

627
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:11,560
Speaker 3: or whatever. There was stuff you could do, but like

628
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 3: running was the choice that so many people, you know,

629
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:18,280
Speaker 3: found and so people started running during the pandemic and

630
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:20,840
Speaker 3: now post pandemic. I think a lot of it is

631
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Speaker 3: because of the mental health component of it. The community

632
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 3: that people have found, maybe in the running club they

633
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 3: joined or the set of friends they got to run together.

634
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Speaker 3: They've stayed with it, they stayed with the running they

635
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 3: discovered during the pandemic. And so we're just seeing numbers

636
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 3: that are through the roof for all of our races.

637
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Speaker 1: And I remember that time during the pandemic, I had

638
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Speaker 1: the Brooklyn Bridge to myself morning after morning because I

639
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:55,600
Speaker 1: run so early, first of all, but there was nobody out.

640
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Speaker 1: And I'm how many times in your life you just

641
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:01,440
Speaker 1: stumped on the bridge behind my What time was this this?

642
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 1: I used to run like five six in the morning,

643
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 1: just when sun was coming up. But now with I say,

644
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 1: every morning we wake up.

645
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 2: Oh, the first thing he says to me, is you

646
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:11,720
Speaker 2: ready to run?

647
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 1: That's That's not a joke, folks. It doesn't matter what

648
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 1: time it is, what's happening.

649
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:19,800
Speaker 2: Not I love you, not good morning, four fifteen? Are

650
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 2: you ready to run?

651
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 1: Run?

652
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Speaker 2: And what do I say back?

653
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:27,240
Speaker 1: I know the answers always know, usually not yet, not yet, yes,

654
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 1: let me get my coffee. You used to say that

655
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:30,600
Speaker 1: you don't.

656
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 2: Do that anything, stop the coffee before the run.

657
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:36,480
Speaker 1: Okay, what it is? A do you see? You said

658
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 1: the pandemic kind of helped with some numbers of people running.

659
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:44,240
Speaker 1: What else happens when you to cause a spike if

660
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 1: you will and people kind of signing up? Is it?

661
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 1: It could be a maybe a celebrity, a particular celebrity

662
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 1: getting a lot of tension running a marathon. Is it?

663
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 1: I don't know, some renewed focus on health that's in

664
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 1: the news. What what is it that kind of ends

665
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 1: up prompting people where you where you still to see

666
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 1: another wave of people want to.

667
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 3: I think it is mostly social and friends, right, I think?

668
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 3: You know, I know a person who got into running

669
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 3: because her friend said, you know, you had a rough year.

670
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 3: You need to have a better year at the you know,

671
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 3: and and so why don't you sign up for New

672
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 3: York Roadrunners and start running? And you know it changed,

673
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 3: you know that person's life. I've met people who moved

674
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:32,960
Speaker 3: to New York, didn't know anyone here and went on

675
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 3: our website and found a run club and that became

676
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 3: their set of friends. And maybe they met a boyfriend

677
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 3: or a girlfriend or whatever in the run club. If

678
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 3: people find their community through running, and that, to me,

679
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 3: that's actually the best part of it, is the community

680
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 3: that you find. And the run club scene has just exploded.

681
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 3: I mean, we've got all these new clubs that have

682
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 3: come up and have registered with us on our website,

683
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 3: and we have a we have a whole club points

684
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 3: competition throughout the year at road Runners where the clubs

685
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:04,480
Speaker 3: compete against each other in all the different age categories

686
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 3: and all this stuff. So that's a huge part of it,

687
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 3: and I think that's what's really keptic. I think they

688
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 3: started for the runs and they stayed for the people.

689
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 2: That's beautiful. And I love running with friends. All the

690
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 2: marathons I've run, I've run with friends. We challenged ourselves

691
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 2: and did a double marathon. We did Chicago and then

692
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 2: New York. You all helped get us into that. But

693
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 2: just to do it with friends, I can't even imagine

694
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 2: doing it alone. I know some people do, and that's great,

695
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 2: but I love the social component of it and to

696
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 2: share in the experience, to look back and forth, and

697
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 2: to just be a part of something outside and larger

698
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 2: than yourself. It really is this. I can't think of

699
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 2: another thing that a normal, I should say ordinary person

700
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 2: could do where you'd have thousands of people cheering for you,

701
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:54,640
Speaker 2: Like unless you're an Olympian or you're a professional football player,

702
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 2: some sort of professional athlete. The only way you can

703
00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 2: experience just maybe a small amount of what that feels

704
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 2: like to be cheered on and to push through pain.

705
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 2: It's running a race, and it could be any race.

706
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 2: It doesn't have to be a marathon, but that is

707
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:11,359
Speaker 2: I wanted to like in the moment, and you want

708
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 2: to share it with the people next to you. But

709
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:16,880
Speaker 2: this is unique, This is special, and not many people

710
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 2: get to feel this excitement other than professional athletes, and

711
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 2: it's remarkable. Why do How did you get started with running?

712
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:32,239
Speaker 3: I ran cross country and high school. I remember that

713
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 3: there was a gym class where I think I was

714
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:37,759
Speaker 3: in seventh grade, and the teacher was like, Okay, I'm

715
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 3: going to go run the mile. Let's see, let's see

716
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 3: what you can do. I was really a baseball guy.

717
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:45,880
Speaker 3: Baseball was my favorite sport from forever and still is

718
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:48,320
Speaker 3: in a lot of ways. But so baseball was my focus.

719
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:51,360
Speaker 3: But we went out and ran this mile, and I

720
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:53,239
Speaker 3: think the first mile I ran was like six to

721
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:55,440
Speaker 3: Oho one or something like that. It was something in

722
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:58,239
Speaker 3: that neighborhood, like it was in the low sixes. And

723
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 3: the gym teacher was like, Okay, you should really be

724
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:05,320
Speaker 3: on the cross country team. So I was like, okay,

725
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 3: I didn't even know what cross country was. So they

726
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:10,839
Speaker 3: got me running across country. I was into it because

727
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:12,919
Speaker 3: it got me out of gym class, so I didn't

728
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 3: I didn't have to you know, go hang out, you

729
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 3: know during during gym class. I could do whatever I

730
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 3: wanted to hang out in the library or whatever. So

731
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 3: I started running cross country and I would do that

732
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 3: in the fall and play baseball in the spring, and I,

733
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:25,759
Speaker 3: you know, I had kind of a love hate relationship

734
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:27,839
Speaker 3: with a cross country If anybody out there is ever

735
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:30,879
Speaker 3: a running cross country, it's intense. You know, You're you're

736
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 3: running five days a week and you're doing hill repeats

737
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 3: and you know a lot of intense workouts. So in

738
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 3: some ways I loved it. In some ways I kind

739
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:42,279
Speaker 3: of hated it and really wanted to do baseball. So

740
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:45,719
Speaker 3: I played baseball through high school, you know, went to

741
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 3: college law school, and I kind of rediscovered running in

742
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:52,360
Speaker 3: my last year of law school. I was in Boston

743
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 3: and I went out. It was actually a baseball connection.

744
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:57,840
Speaker 3: I went out to the Red Sox game on Patriot's

745
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:00,880
Speaker 3: Day in Massachusetts, which is a state all day. The

746
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:03,840
Speaker 3: Patriots play an eleven am game, sorry, the Red Sox

747
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 3: play an eleven am game, and then you walk outside

748
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 3: and that's the day of the Boston Marathon. And so

749
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:10,760
Speaker 3: I walked out and saw the finish of the Boston

750
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 3: Marathon and I was like, I saw these people crossing

751
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:15,880
Speaker 3: the finish line. I was like, I've got to do this.

752
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:18,880
Speaker 3: This looks amazing. And so the very next week I

753
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:20,879
Speaker 3: sent in for an application to the New York City

754
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 3: Marathon and was lucky enough to get in my first try.

755
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 3: It was a while ago before you know, it was

756
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 3: quite as hard to get in maybe as it is now.

757
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 3: And that's kind of what got me back into it.

758
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 1: I didn't know that. But what what How did you

759
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 1: go from? Why do you want to be the head

760
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 1: of New York road Runners. You're a lawyer, you have

761
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:44,839
Speaker 1: a like you're Harvard or an excuse me at least

762
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:46,399
Speaker 1: ivy leave because I have to have a hard lost.

763
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 3: That's where I was going while going Boston.

764
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 1: Let me get it right now, But you go from that,

765
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:54,920
Speaker 1: But you always wanted to be the head of this organization.

766
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 3: Well, you know, I had a lot of great roles

767
00:36:58,080 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 3: in my career. I practiced law for a few years,

768
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 3: and then I was in your world for a while.

769
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:05,319
Speaker 3: I mean I was at ESPN and I bit at

770
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 3: ABC News, and so I did the media thing. And

771
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:10,759
Speaker 3: I loved sports and loved media, and so I spent

772
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 3: almost twenty years between ESPN, ABC and NBC Sports in

773
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 3: that world and got to do some amazing things, both

774
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 3: in front of the camera and mostly behind the camera.

775
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:23,480
Speaker 3: But I loved sports and I loved New York, right,

776
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:26,879
Speaker 3: and so when this opportunity came along, and I'd run

777
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 3: two marathons, you know, the first one, and then I

778
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:32,160
Speaker 3: ran another one like sixteen years later, And when I

779
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:34,920
Speaker 3: got a call about this, and I just said, Wow, Okay,

780
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:38,839
Speaker 3: it's running, it's New York, it's sports, and not only that,

781
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 3: but it's also for a purpose. You know, it's got

782
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 3: a mission. So it's not just and I you know,

783
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 3: I'd spent my whole career in for profits, so you know,

784
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 3: it wasn't just money and shareholder value and the stock

785
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 3: price and all that. It was, Hey, we're actually trying

786
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 3: to help people through running, you know, we're trying to

787
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 3: do change lives, and so I couldn't resist that. The

788
00:37:58,239 --> 00:37:59,840
Speaker 3: kind of checked all the boxes for me of some

789
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,920
Speaker 3: thing that I wanted to do, and and right here

790
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:04,959
Speaker 3: in my hometown. So it's been great.

791
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:06,880
Speaker 1: Did you you Pauls as well when he said he

792
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:09,240
Speaker 1: ran a six oh one in high school.

793
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:13,760
Speaker 2: Yes, I was blown away. I've never run anything in

794
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 2: with a six in front of it at all.

795
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 1: If folks are listening, you're not a runner and have

796
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 1: a handle on this. If a six minute mile is

797
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 1: elite from a high schooler, that's definitely you must have

798
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 1: been the national champion that year.

799
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, I could run a decent clip,

800
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 3: but I mean you got you got guys out there

801
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:38,680
Speaker 3: running sub fives left and right. So I mean I

802
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 3: was fast for my school for sure.

803
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 1: But I said, you were a high schooler, Hey, go

804
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:46,759
Speaker 1: run a mile. You just put together a six. Yeah

805
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:50,839
Speaker 1: it was okay, he knows that's a big deal. That's

806
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 1: not a small thing. You know.

807
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:54,760
Speaker 3: What's funny is and by the way, speaking of times,

808
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 3: I actually brought some of your both of you time,

809
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:00,400
Speaker 3: I decided to do a little look at some of

810
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 3: your times. You know, I run about as fast now

811
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 3: TJ as I did like twenty years ago. Wow, And

812
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 3: I don't really know. I look at that and I'm like, Okay, Well,

813
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:11,279
Speaker 3: maybe that's good because I've stayed in shape, or maybe

814
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 3: it's bad because I should have been a lot faster

815
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:16,720
Speaker 3: than I wasn't pushing myself hard enough when I was younger.

816
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 3: But you, guys, I like the times. First of all, Amy,

817
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:22,480
Speaker 3: you know a great track record of running. You go

818
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 3: back to twenty seventeen. Do you remember what your first

819
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:27,759
Speaker 3: race with the roadrunners was?

820
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 2: No, I don't.

821
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:32,720
Speaker 3: It was the twenty seventeen Shape Women's Half Marathon. Oh right,

822
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:34,720
Speaker 3: April thirtyeth twenty seventeen.

823
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 2: The funny story about that one is I wasn't ever

824
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:39,400
Speaker 2: intending on running the whole thing. I was doing a

825
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 2: relay race with Sarah Haynes, and I said, I'll do seven,

826
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:45,440
Speaker 2: you'll do she'll do said we ran one mile together.

827
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 2: So I did six miles by myself, and then she

828
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 2: and I ran six to seven together, and then I

829
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 2: was going to stop, except for I didn't want to stop,

830
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 2: so I just kept going. So I'm sure that time

831
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:56,280
Speaker 2: is awful because I was huffing and puffing and hyperventilating

832
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 2: when I crossed the finish line because I didn't train.

833
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 3: Not awful, It was two twenty seven. You're at eleven

834
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:02,960
Speaker 3: eighteen pace and you're.

835
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:05,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was bad, but you don't understand what it

836
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:06,280
Speaker 2: was like the last three months.

837
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 3: Now look at you. Now, you you ran the half,

838
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 3: the twenty twenty three United Airlines NYC half in a

839
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:15,399
Speaker 3: pace under nine minutes a mile.

840
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:19,799
Speaker 2: I did was it one fifty four four? So I

841
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:23,440
Speaker 2: shaved off thirty minutes of a half marathon?

842
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 3: Really good? I mean you shaved a lot of time

843
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:28,279
Speaker 3: off over the course of your time running.

844
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 2: You don't know why because I actually trained. When you

845
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:35,920
Speaker 2: don't train, it's really hard, and then when you do train,

846
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 2: it's a lot easier. I learned that the hard way.

847
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 3: It does make a difference and your marathon times, Amy,

848
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:45,239
Speaker 3: I mean, you are you are definitely within range of

849
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:47,480
Speaker 3: running a sub four hour marathon and you are at

850
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:51,239
Speaker 3: four fourteen. So how big? How big a goal is

851
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:51,759
Speaker 3: that for you?

852
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:55,760
Speaker 2: It's been a goal. I've run five marathons now, I guess,

853
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 2: and I keep wanting to get that sub four and

854
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 2: we we almost we had it.

855
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 1: We were it was we had it last. So the

856
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 1: four to fourteen was the last one, right, yes, okay,

857
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:07,879
Speaker 1: so if you know, I don't know what we've talked

858
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:10,239
Speaker 1: about it here, but yes, that was a we were

859
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 1: on pace to crush a sub four. We were on pace.

860
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:17,479
Speaker 1: All of a sudden, she wants to stop at every

861
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:17,960
Speaker 1: water stack.

862
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 2: I got, I got.

863
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 1: What's happening here? So I turned back and looked back,

864
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 1: and she's having the water, but she's slowing down real slow.

865
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:28,279
Speaker 1: And then twenty two two.

866
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:29,919
Speaker 2: Sick.

867
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:34,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh, and we had to pull over what was

868
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:39,280
Speaker 1: at least a five plus minute stop for a marathon.

869
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:39,799
Speaker 2: That's time.

870
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:40,440
Speaker 1: It was tough.

871
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:43,200
Speaker 2: And then you can't get your mojo back. You just

872
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:46,440
Speaker 2: can't get your rhythm back. And I was so frustrated

873
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 2: because you don't know what's going to happen race day.

874
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:51,319
Speaker 2: I haven't figured out, still, even after five marathons, how

875
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:54,120
Speaker 2: to fuel myself without getting sick. It's it's a it's

876
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 2: a it's a dance. What do you eat before, what

877
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:57,759
Speaker 2: do you eat during? What do you how much do

878
00:41:57,760 --> 00:41:59,839
Speaker 2: you drink? How and how what's the weather like? Every

879
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,759
Speaker 2: think there's so many variables, but yes, I do want

880
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:05,400
Speaker 2: to get a sub for that is something I've always wanted.

881
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 3: If you were on pace that long, it means you

882
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 3: can do it.

883
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:11,320
Speaker 2: I know I can't. I know I can't.

884
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:16,240
Speaker 1: And if I was, I don't know, a little more selfish,

885
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:17,160
Speaker 1: I would have kept going in.

886
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:19,840
Speaker 2: I know, Oh you could. You could probably get a

887
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:32,440
Speaker 2: three thirty. I bet.

888
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:31,839
Speaker 3: All right, TJ. I'm looking at your times now, and

889
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:34,600
Speaker 3: they should be exactly with hers. Most of them are,

890
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 3: but Brooklyn, because you ran Brooklyn exactly the twenty twenty

891
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:43,840
Speaker 3: two Brooklyn Half, very impressive, one forty six two a

892
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:46,719
Speaker 3: an eight six per mile pace. So you're talking about

893
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:48,400
Speaker 3: that about a six minute mile, but that was just

894
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 3: one mile. You ran thirteen miles, just about eight minutes

895
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:55,800
Speaker 3: a mile. That's legit, that's impressive. That's impressive.

896
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 1: I ran that one by myself. I noticed.

897
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 2: I know, and I've said that the whole time. I

898
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:06,440
Speaker 2: know that you would be in a much better category.

899
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:09,359
Speaker 1: To your point about community, there is no way after

900
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 1: training with her for for a marathon for five plus months,

901
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 1: training for a half marathon for three plus months, that

902
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 1: going through all that with her than on race day,

903
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 1: I not be with her is not enough. It never

904
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:23,839
Speaker 1: crossed my mind to keep going. I said, it's more

905
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 1: important for my personal relationship than it than to get

906
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 1: a PR. It really is. So there was no question,

907
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:31,880
Speaker 1: and we were crushing that marathon.

908
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 2: I know we were.

909
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 1: She started stuff started coming out while we were running.

910
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:39,439
Speaker 2: I tried, well, that's what happened. I did not want

911
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:45,279
Speaker 2: to stop, but then my body insisted, yeah, that happens sometime.

912
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:47,880
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's said we had. You guys have been

913
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:51,360
Speaker 1: absolutely great, great, great, great to us and Stuart Lieberman

914
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:54,360
Speaker 1: and your team over the years have been wonderful. And

915
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 1: we talk about running here a lot because we love

916
00:43:57,120 --> 00:43:59,399
Speaker 1: it and we enjoy such a part of our life,

917
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:02,080
Speaker 1: but we don't I don't think we do focus enough

918
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:03,920
Speaker 1: on how much it has meant to us over time

919
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:08,839
Speaker 1: for our mental health. It really, really really has been

920
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 1: a life saver for me personally and for I know

921
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:15,320
Speaker 1: for Robot with robog was the one who recognized something

922
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 1: in me that was going on and pushed and encouraged

923
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 1: me to get into running. So it has and you

924
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:23,760
Speaker 1: all have been a part of that journey. So thank you, really,

925
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:25,399
Speaker 1: thank you all for all you have done from and.

926
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:28,480
Speaker 2: For sharing that with the world with and your work

927
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:31,439
Speaker 2: with children, because when you can get kids to see

928
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 2: the magic or feel the magic of running and feel

929
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:37,719
Speaker 2: their own strength, so many people, but children especially feel powerless.

930
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:41,480
Speaker 2: And when you give them this tool that they can

931
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:45,719
Speaker 2: utilize and access without a gym, it's free and you

932
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:49,759
Speaker 2: can run almost anywhere. Talk about why your work with

933
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 2: team for kids because it's such a beautiful thing. I love,

934
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:55,080
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, when I see kids running and I

935
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 2: see them building, it makes me so happy because I

936
00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:01,880
Speaker 2: know the joy that they're going to have with them

937
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:06,400
Speaker 2: always able to access. I think I pushed my daughters

938
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:09,440
Speaker 2: too far because I so badly wanted them to run

939
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:11,279
Speaker 2: with me. They did do the Brooklyn It was the

940
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:13,279
Speaker 2: Brooklyn five K I did with them. I have the

941
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:16,879
Speaker 2: cutest pictures of that. They made it. They felt so accomplished.

942
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:19,239
Speaker 2: But I think maybe because mom wanted them to do

943
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 2: it so badly, they resisted. But now I've got my

944
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:26,400
Speaker 2: oldest running sending me pictures of her runs, and she

945
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 2: still won't let me follow her on Strava, but because

946
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 2: she knows I'll get obsessive about it. But I start

947
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 2: to see it comes back to them, even if because

948
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:37,319
Speaker 2: it is a thing where mentally you can resist it,

949
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:38,840
Speaker 2: like why am I doing this? This is hard and

950
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 2: as a kid, it's hard to explain to a kid

951
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:43,359
Speaker 2: why you would keep doing it. But I do love

952
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:45,480
Speaker 2: that there's a foundation and what you're creating for them,

953
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:47,319
Speaker 2: and then yes, they can always come back to it.

954
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:49,440
Speaker 2: I know TJ's trying to do the same thing with

955
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:50,839
Speaker 2: Sabine right now, well, trying not.

956
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:53,479
Speaker 1: To push her, but she's on. She's eleven, She's joined

957
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:57,279
Speaker 1: her track team for the fifth graders and got her.

958
00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:02,440
Speaker 1: She is the most beautifully outfitted fifth grader you will

959
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:05,440
Speaker 1: ever see. I even have her coordinated New Balance shoes,

960
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:09,479
Speaker 1: new Balance socks, new Balance bag, new Balance hoodiewali sut.

961
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:12,439
Speaker 1: She walks in like she's about to run a six

962
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:18,080
Speaker 1: minute mile. You know what, I love it's brand. But

963
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:22,800
Speaker 1: if she's wearing shoes that actually New Balance provided gifted

964
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:25,359
Speaker 1: to her, that end up being gifted to my daughter.

965
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 1: So New Balance, we are using the shoes, so thank you.

966
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:31,160
Speaker 1: But it is it's you don't want to push them

967
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 1: too far, but to see them getting into it, and

968
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:36,719
Speaker 1: it isn't that event you talk about in time Square.

969
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 1: I'm trying to get her to do that as well.

970
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:42,279
Speaker 1: She's uh, she's not there yet. But it's just we

971
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:44,040
Speaker 1: we love it so much and it's just meant so

972
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:45,880
Speaker 1: much to us, and you all have meant so much

973
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:48,359
Speaker 1: to us, and we we we can't let you get

974
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:50,440
Speaker 1: out of here without asking because it's been in the

975
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:52,719
Speaker 1: news lately, just what happened with the young lady, the

976
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:55,880
Speaker 1: college student in Georgia, the runner there Lake and Riley.

977
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 1: But what what do you all certainly your heart's break,

978
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:02,920
Speaker 1: much as you all love running and support runners, but

979
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 1: what is your issue maybe sometimes with the conversation that's

980
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 1: had around safety when it comes to running, and what

981
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 1: do you all recommend to anyone but women in particular

982
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 1: when it comes to running.

983
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:20,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was really a heartbreaking story. It was hard

984
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:24,799
Speaker 3: for me to read that about a young woman who

985
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:27,920
Speaker 3: was you know, attacked and harmed that way, you know,

986
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 3: doing the thing that we are talking about doing and running. Unfortunately,

987
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:37,080
Speaker 3: it happens too often, you know. I actually, you know,

988
00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 3: posted something on my Instagram about that, and I had

989
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:41,919
Speaker 3: a number of women reach out to me and say,

990
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:44,600
Speaker 3: you know, I've had issues you know, in different places

991
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:47,360
Speaker 3: in New York City or wherever it might be. You know,

992
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:50,800
Speaker 3: it simply should not be a thing that a woman

993
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:55,440
Speaker 3: has to worry about her safety being harmed or harassed

994
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:58,000
Speaker 3: to go out for a run. It just shouldn't be.

995
00:47:58,040 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 3: And it's it's frankly on everybody to make that stop.

996
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:04,720
Speaker 3: You know, it's on It's on men, women, everybody to

997
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:07,200
Speaker 3: be allies to people who are running and make sure

998
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 3: that we're keeping each other safe out there. You know.

999
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 3: As far as advice, I mean, we have put out

1000
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:14,160
Speaker 3: you know, some you know, some things over the years

1001
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:17,160
Speaker 3: about runner safety. You know, personally, I think the number

1002
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:19,600
Speaker 3: one thing that you can do is run with other people.

1003
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 3: You know, we talked about that, and running in groups

1004
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:25,239
Speaker 3: has so many benefits. Safety is one of them. There's

1005
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:28,640
Speaker 3: no question about it. And so it's just people are

1006
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 3: safer in groups, there's no question about it. There are

1007
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:35,320
Speaker 3: there are things that runners can can purchase and buy

1008
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 3: to you know, pepper spray on wristbands or things like

1009
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 3: that for self defense. You know, some people might choose

1010
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:45,360
Speaker 3: to do that, some people might might not want to

1011
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 3: do that, but you know, I just think being around

1012
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:51,200
Speaker 3: as many other people as you can be when you're running,

1013
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:53,960
Speaker 3: and it's it's easy to say that in Manhattan. It's

1014
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:56,160
Speaker 3: harder to say that, you know, maybe in you know,

1015
00:48:56,400 --> 00:49:00,440
Speaker 3: more rural areas. So I don't you know, I'm not

1016
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 3: here to say don't run by yourself, but you know,

1017
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:07,719
Speaker 3: since safety is an issue for runners and especially women,

1018
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:09,600
Speaker 3: I think it's always great to have even if it's

1019
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:10,399
Speaker 3: just one running buddy.

1020
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:12,440
Speaker 2: Oh, you can even have someone bike next to you.

1021
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:15,840
Speaker 2: I've done that before too as well. And I know

1022
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:20,160
Speaker 2: one of the things about running with folks and getting

1023
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:23,400
Speaker 2: the excitement to share with other people are those races

1024
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:27,840
Speaker 2: that you were talking about. And I just would encourage

1025
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:31,960
Speaker 2: anyone who's even considering starting running or starting back to

1026
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:33,960
Speaker 2: running to sign up for a race, because now you're

1027
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:37,759
Speaker 2: on the hook. Like now you've got a goal. And

1028
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 2: even if you think you might not want to, you

1029
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:41,920
Speaker 2: know you have to because you've you know, you've done that.

1030
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:43,680
Speaker 2: I think I've done that to myself. You're you know,

1031
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:45,440
Speaker 2: playing a mental game with yourself, like I want to

1032
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:47,400
Speaker 2: keep going, I want to make this work. If I

1033
00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:49,959
Speaker 2: sign up for this race, now I have to train.

1034
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:53,080
Speaker 2: Now I have to run. So I love that whole component.

1035
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:56,320
Speaker 2: I love that you all have so many different opportunities

1036
00:49:56,719 --> 00:49:59,799
Speaker 2: for all types of runners. And and I just think

1037
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:03,640
Speaker 2: wherever you live, check your local running organization, because there's

1038
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:05,160
Speaker 2: a way to do it, and there's a way to

1039
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:08,960
Speaker 2: kind of force yourself to be on the hook that

1040
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:09,640
Speaker 2: race day.

1041
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:11,440
Speaker 3: Sign up for that race, and then you know, it's

1042
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:14,120
Speaker 3: even better, tell three people that you signed up for

1043
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:17,279
Speaker 3: the race, right, put it on social media, exactly, put

1044
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:19,520
Speaker 3: it out there in the world, right, don't keep it

1045
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:22,920
Speaker 3: a secret to yourself. So now you've got people going to,

1046
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:24,719
Speaker 3: you know, ask me, oh, yeah, how's the training for

1047
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:27,359
Speaker 3: that race going? How'd that race go? Right? You got

1048
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:28,640
Speaker 3: the accountability as well.

1049
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:36,240
Speaker 2: I love that Rob civil Care nailed it. I get it.

1050
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:38,680
Speaker 3: It's so much easier than it looks. It is.

1051
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:41,279
Speaker 2: It is it is. Thank you so much for coming

1052
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:43,480
Speaker 2: and again to echo what TJ said, thank you for

1053
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:45,640
Speaker 2: all that you all have done for us to support

1054
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:49,480
Speaker 2: us as runners. We tend to be a little bit

1055
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:55,920
Speaker 2: of procrastinators. So when sometimes the races are are no

1056
00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 2: longer available, y'all sneak us in anyway, So we are

1057
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:01,920
Speaker 2: very appreciate. Sometimes we just crashed races. We've done that

1058
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:02,480
Speaker 2: before too.

1059
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:04,919
Speaker 1: Are you telling people this stuff? We sound like we're

1060
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:09,399
Speaker 1: getting no folks, we signed up on time, we made

1061
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:12,480
Speaker 1: the deadline. We're not getting any special privileges.

1062
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 2: You're just not talking. We'd like to and in a

1063
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:20,560
Speaker 2: perfect world I would have been better about it. But no,

1064
00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:22,160
Speaker 2: thank you. We do appreciate it.

1065
00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:24,120
Speaker 3: There's not much we can do for you, guys to

1066
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:26,879
Speaker 3: help you run thirteen point one miles, so you got

1067
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:29,920
Speaker 3: to do that yourself. There's nothing we can do for you. There.

1068
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:32,239
Speaker 1: Almost quit runn last year because of the because it

1069
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:35,359
Speaker 1: was really cold, cold, it was seventeen degrees. I think, oh,

1070
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:37,719
Speaker 1: I ended that race and I almost I said, I

1071
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:40,120
Speaker 1: want to quit running. That was the worst run, not

1072
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 1: worst race. Well, that was the worst time I ever

1073
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 1: had running in my life.

1074
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:45,200
Speaker 2: That was the day you met rob You probably got

1075
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:49,880
Speaker 2: a really bad I guess it was.

1076
00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:50,479
Speaker 1: After the race.

1077
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:53,600
Speaker 2: Is angry like it was.

1078
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:55,480
Speaker 1: Oh you the head of New York Road Runs with

1079
00:51:55,520 --> 00:52:00,799
Speaker 1: the with the with the Weaver. Appreciate having you. We're

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Speaker 1: going to see you plenty down the road. But thank you.

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Speaker 3: We'll see you both at the finish line. Thank you

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Speaker 3: very much for having me. I appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: But folks, you know where to find us. Of course,

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Speaker 1: Roboc and I both on our Instagram accounts, also on

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Speaker 1: TikTok and we Also you can find the show at

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Speaker 1: Amy and TJ Podcast on Instagram.