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Speaker 1: new episode where we're in the middle of discussing Bethany
Speaker 1: joy lens Is home decor. I just shared my screen
Speaker 1: and we're just trying to decide on a black and
Speaker 1: white checkerboard floor. Does it go diagonally or does it
Speaker 1: go straight? And you know it could work in either environment.
Speaker 1: It just depends on what it is. But it's true
Speaker 1: the girls are voting for diagonal when all else fails.
Speaker 1: Sophia Bush hughes because she's right thanks twenty steps ahead
Speaker 1: and knows exactly what the room is gonna look like
Speaker 1: when it's fully finished. And Ino, I just think a
Speaker 1: lot about shapes, like and I've come to learn that
Speaker 1: there are certain things you can do with shapes that
Speaker 1: are calming and certain things you can do with shapes
Speaker 1: that are very stressful, and as an anxious person with
Speaker 1: like not a small amount of O. C D, I
Speaker 1: tend to really lean toward the calming options. I love this.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm just I don't, like I said, the
Speaker 1: problem is I know how busy you are and I
Speaker 1: don't want to continually blow which she's just like brushing
Speaker 1: her teeth. She's going to be like, solve this problem.
Speaker 1: Here's another problem. Like my my like insomnia moment therapy
Speaker 1: is to get on Pinterest and decorate homes that to
Speaker 1: be clear, I don't own, but I'm like, if I
Speaker 1: lived in Upstate New York, this is what my house
Speaker 1: would look like. It's calming for me. Well that's like
Speaker 1: the perfect segue into this episode, because ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 1: In this episode, Brooke Davis has a huge falling out
Speaker 1: with Lucas. Scott decides to on your own clothing label,
Speaker 1: Um gets all the materials for said clothing label, creates
Speaker 1: said clothing label, puts on a fashion show, and then
Speaker 1: realize she's still pretty sad about Lucas. All in like
Speaker 1: four hours. I genuinely was like, when did I have
Speaker 1: time to go to Joanne Fabric, Like, yeah, when was
Speaker 1: there time for any of this? Do you know how
Speaker 1: long it takes to Like, I'm not a great sewer, Hillary,
Speaker 1: You're probably better on the machine than I am. But
Speaker 1: I mean, do you guys know how long it takes
Speaker 1: to sew a garment? And like fittings and and you
Speaker 1: did with how many you hit all the cheerleaders there?
Speaker 1: I mean how many things? I mean just the dress
Speaker 1: Bevin was wearing was so complicated. Yeah, she had like
Speaker 1: a cute little vintage I just loved that. Like clearly
Speaker 1: boys wrote this because they're like, yeah, she could just
Speaker 1: like staple it together. We're just gonna hot glue this dress.
Speaker 1: Well okay, let me let's tell everybody screaped t shirts,
Speaker 1: tank talks baseballs and and zip up sweatshirts. Like it
Speaker 1: really is incredible all in the time that like Nathan
Speaker 1: and Chris Keller just played poker. Yeah. Oh, and don't
Speaker 1: forget Joy Haley and Brook also built the website. So
Speaker 1: not only is this the moment where the idea of
Speaker 1: clothes over bros crystallizes in the only fist pump I
Speaker 1: have ever found to be adorable on television, but we
Speaker 1: launched eighteen verticals of business. Well everybody like six hours Yeah,
Speaker 1: still laying in bed. You guys give him the run.
Speaker 1: Everybody else Okay, Yeah, let's just here's the basic rundown.
Speaker 1: It's season three, episode nine, How a Resurrection Really Feels?
Speaker 1: Air date December seven and five, So the results are
Speaker 1: in for tree Hill. Mayor Lucas comes to the rescue
Speaker 1: after Haley, Brooke, and Peyton are arrested. Totally forgot we
Speaker 1: went to jail. It's so funny. Clothes over bros Is born.
Speaker 1: After Haley convinces Brooke to do something for herself to
Speaker 1: cheer herself up. Peyton's angel of death visits her in
Speaker 1: her dreams. Nathan and Chris go on a super fun
Speaker 1: poker road trip to win back his studio money. We
Speaker 1: find out who tried to kill Dan in the fire.
Speaker 1: Brooks feelings are revealed to Lucas while she gives him
Speaker 1: her summer letters and uh, and then there's some new
Speaker 1: stuff with Nathan and Haley as well. They finally find
Speaker 1: their way back to each other. It's a big episode.
Speaker 1: A love happened in this episode. Yeah, and it was
Speaker 1: all random, but in the greatest way. You know, I
Speaker 1: feel like we've been watching some episodes that have felt
Speaker 1: a little codgepodge and like where are we going and why?
Speaker 1: What's happening and what's the point. This all felt like
Speaker 1: all the random stuff really came together in a super cohesive,
Speaker 1: fun way. A lot of like nuggets got dropped in
Speaker 1: this episode, and that's what I liked because I could
Speaker 1: see where some things were going and it was like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is a seed planting episode. I love that we
Speaker 1: start off being arrested, like that is an iconic thing
Speaker 1: that I was like, I know, we got arrested. I
Speaker 1: can't remember for what was there? Wait? Was there an
Speaker 1: actual shot in this episode of us getting our mug shots?
Speaker 1: Like the snaps of our photos mugshot photos opens, isn't
Speaker 1: it at the end of the last episode. I have
Speaker 1: seen those photos out there, and I have never I
Speaker 1: did not see it in the episode, So I'm confused.
Speaker 1: I'm confused scene because I'm upset and Enjoy You're upset
Speaker 1: and Hillary you're laughing. Yeah, like fans ask us to
Speaker 1: recreate that picture at conventions. I know. Yeah, Wait, did
Speaker 1: that wind up in a deleted scene? Because we have
Speaker 1: seen God, what what verbige. We've seen the scene. I
Speaker 1: know we've I know we've watched it. Do we go
Speaker 1: to I wonder if it's like a deleted scene in
Speaker 1: the in the season, or is it it was at
Speaker 1: the end of the last episode like in the credits.
Speaker 1: Did we miss it? I don't know. Maybe I was
Speaker 1: just like peeling an orange now and look down and
Speaker 1: didn't notice it. I just didn't see it. No, surely,
Speaker 1: because listen, my hair changed every season, and I definitively
Speaker 1: know that I had the Bob when we got arrested
Speaker 1: and did that. You had the Bob. I had the
Speaker 1: banks Enjoy. You had the really long blonde hair. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's for this, all right. Somebody's going to
Speaker 1: have to do some sleuthing for us, um and someone
Speaker 1: needs to make us like an oil painting of us
Speaker 1: and orange jumpsuits because oil painting. John Broceo to make
Speaker 1: an oil paint to have back. If I could get
Speaker 1: like a ten inch by five inch oil painting, it's
Speaker 1: the perfect little red single of us with our mug shot,
Speaker 1: I would die for that, honestly. That's like, okay, all right,
Speaker 1: you are seeing kids out there. We love your art. Matters.
Speaker 1: We want mug shots. Um, yeah, that was super cute,
Speaker 1: and Lucas, you know, where should we start? Where do
Speaker 1: we like? Where? There's so much to go through, We're
Speaker 1: gonna be pinballing on. We want to do this chronologically
Speaker 1: because Luke is picking us up and then being a
Speaker 1: dick to Brooke at the beginning of the episode is like,
Speaker 1: I I liked that the audience is reminded early on
Speaker 1: of all the things that he's upset about, because if
Speaker 1: he were just being upset to be like a brutie
Speaker 1: teenage boy, I'd be like, whoa hold your horses, kid,
Speaker 1: But he brings up um, he brings up the Halloween
Speaker 1: costume thing and the you know friends would benefits thing,
Speaker 1: and then he brings up a whole laundry list of
Speaker 1: stuff that has really hurt his feelings. And that's his
Speaker 1: justification for being like you could sit jail for ten
Speaker 1: minutes longer and I'm not going to talk to you.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I mean I get it. I get why
Speaker 1: he's upset, but I don't it's not fun to watch.
Speaker 1: It's still like, well, I think he's just in the zone.
Speaker 1: He's in the zone of being kind of pouty, which
Speaker 1: I think he's been doing for a while. But and
Speaker 1: we were talking about that in the last episode of
Speaker 1: boys talking to their moms and saying, like, none of
Speaker 1: the girls like me, and you know, I'm just like,
Speaker 1: he's potty right now. So I don't know. I I
Speaker 1: think I think the double standard that he holds Brooke
Speaker 1: two is pretty insane and ridiculous, or that he has
Speaker 1: for himself that he's not holding. I don't know whatever,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm trying to say, No totally. I mean,
Speaker 1: we talked about it. You know, it's funny we're talking
Speaker 1: about going chronologically, but I feel like we're sort of
Speaker 1: in these buckets of experience. And when we got further
Speaker 1: into the episode and there's the scene between Lucas and
Speaker 1: Brook and she's really trying to open up and explain
Speaker 1: how afraid she's been to you know, be vulnerable with
Speaker 1: him and to give him a chance because of how
Speaker 1: much she was hurt. And he's so you know, he's
Speaker 1: written to just be so terrible. He's he's so mean,
Speaker 1: and she says, I knew it was going to be bad,
Speaker 1: but this is worse. I Mean, he calls her a skank,
Speaker 1: It's like, and I know we've belabored this point, you guys,
Speaker 1: but the three of us were just cringing because we
Speaker 1: were like grown men wrote this stuff and it models
Speaker 1: this idea that nothing boys do is ever their fault
Speaker 1: and it's all fine and they're figuring out who they are.
Speaker 1: But if girls make mistakes or experiment or you know,
Speaker 1: do anything, they by the way, might even regret after
Speaker 1: the fact, we're just going to call him horrors. We
Speaker 1: were just like, oh, yeah, after what, how Lucas has
Speaker 1: been you know, messing around all over the place, not
Speaker 1: just with Emmanuel, but you know, the whole thing with
Speaker 1: Rachel and then also just you know, being with Peyton
Speaker 1: while he was dating Brooke. It's like the fact that
Speaker 1: you know, he and Brooke were on good, friendly terms,
Speaker 1: they were doing fine. She had forgiven him, you know,
Speaker 1: and it was all okay. And now Brooke has a
Speaker 1: moment with Chris, which is none of Lucas's business because
Speaker 1: they're not together, and he broke into her apartment to
Speaker 1: see it. It's not like she was out at a
Speaker 1: club like sucking face with Chris Keller in front of people.
Speaker 1: She was in the incredible One night Stand and it
Speaker 1: wasn't his business. Yeah, yeah, he would have never known
Speaker 1: if he hadn't been a creeper and broke into the place.
Speaker 1: Is Lucas being like Dan in this episode just showing
Speaker 1: up in people's houses? Why was Karen's house? That was
Speaker 1: so weird? And Redley addressed it and she seemed so
Speaker 1: normal about it. She was like, oh, good morning when
Speaker 1: she walked in the room. I genuinely must be dreaming
Speaker 1: because Payton is dreaming Pengel. So I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: it must be like this is a Karen nightmare. Dan
Speaker 1: is in Karen's house. It's a dream. And then Nary
Speaker 1: is messing with the VCR, Like how did they never
Speaker 1: explain why he was there? Did you just come up
Speaker 1: with Pagel or has that been a thing? That's the thing?
Speaker 1: It is angel. Dan Scott is Karen's Pengel, just like, yeah,
Speaker 1: the literal haunting in her in her brain that feels right,
Speaker 1: the voice that tells you all the things you don't
Speaker 1: want to hear Dan Scott. Oh got you can't kill
Speaker 1: Dan Scott and the whole guy, the whole Dan Scott thing.
Speaker 1: I there was a the time on the show where
Speaker 1: they balanced him where we thought perhaps there was like
Speaker 1: a little boy in there that that needed healing and
Speaker 1: things had gone terribly wrong for and now it's just
Speaker 1: this like you know, cartoon villain where they don't let
Speaker 1: him have any moments of reprieve. And it's exhausting watch
Speaker 1: that stuff. It is, but it also feels so oddly
Speaker 1: honest when we were talking about watching him run this
Speaker 1: campaign and going we see literal elected officials who behave
Speaker 1: exactly like, Yeah, I didn't realize what a sort of
Speaker 1: powerful social commentary it was on that that certain brand
Speaker 1: of narcissism and a desire for control that does run
Speaker 1: for office, and which I think it's Jim Jordan's for sure.
Speaker 1: He finds me a lot of Ted Crews, Scott. He
Speaker 1: this whole idea of like I'm just a broken man
Speaker 1: and you're watching me and I'm going to grow with you.
Speaker 1: It's like no Boston were show up ready to do
Speaker 1: the job. Yeah that's right. But he is interesting, isn't it?
Speaker 1: How people? It was such a wild things look at,
Speaker 1: you know, from from today's moment looking back, not only
Speaker 1: you know these big election signs that say row all
Speaker 1: over the Oh my god, I'm like I literally have chills.
Speaker 1: But you know, people often do begrudge women who run
Speaker 1: for office. They don't love it when like women are
Speaker 1: quote unquote you know, climbing up the power ladder. And
Speaker 1: here's a guy who beat up his kid at school
Speaker 1: in front of all the other kids, and all he
Speaker 1: has to do is say, you know, I've made mistakes,
Speaker 1: but I'm really trying, and everyone goes, we relate to him.
Speaker 1: It's so it's accurate for the time. I mean, I
Speaker 1: feel like I don't. I don't know if that narrative
Speaker 1: still exists now where I think people are a lot
Speaker 1: more excited to see women climbing ladders and and being
Speaker 1: in powerful now, yeah, they were more excited, but women
Speaker 1: face threat Like we just saw this where you know,
Speaker 1: everyone made a whole big deal about how justice calv
Speaker 1: know had to oh Heaven forbid and clutched my pearls
Speaker 1: leave a dinner before he had cake because there were
Speaker 1: protesters outside, peaceful protesters who he never even saw or
Speaker 1: spoke to, and AOC got assaulted on the steps of
Speaker 1: Congress Representative Jaia Paul had a guy outside her house
Speaker 1: with a gun threatening to murder her. Like there's actually
Speaker 1: a female reporter. I retweeted her threat and it was
Speaker 1: every violent death threat that like an elected woman has
Speaker 1: gotten that hasn't gotten any front page news, but like, oh,
Speaker 1: we couldn't need cake, And I was like, man, So,
Speaker 1: while I do think that we should be celebrating yes,
Speaker 1: there are more women in elected office than ever before,
Speaker 1: we still don't have parody and we're still dealing with
Speaker 1: things that the men just aren't. And when anything bad
Speaker 1: happens to them, it's like crazy front page news for
Speaker 1: days and people go, yeah, well, I mean, you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: neither the guy with a gun outside her house and
Speaker 1: said he was going to kill her, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: why why are we not talking about Yeah. One of
Speaker 1: the things that has bothered with domestic issues is I mean,
Speaker 1: it goes both ways, but I think that women are
Speaker 1: more affected by it in so much as that if
Speaker 1: someone threatens you, there's really nothing anybody can do about
Speaker 1: it until they actually do something. Um. So you can
Speaker 1: go to the police and say so and so threatened
Speaker 1: to hurt me, and you can try and get a
Speaker 1: restraining order, but they can't. There's nothing really that can
Speaker 1: be done until somebody actually hurts you, which is crazy.
Speaker 1: But anyways, it's kind of beside the point. But definitely
Speaker 1: this was way more true back then, in when was
Speaker 1: this two thousand and five? It was even crazy that
Speaker 1: Karen was running do you know what I mean? Right?
Speaker 1: Unwed mothers as a single mother right, Yes, still a crazy,
Speaker 1: big deal. So I really tried to attack her for it.
Speaker 1: I love what you said during the episode of Hillary
Speaker 1: that you said, uh, I've I've what did you say?
Speaker 1: You're like, I'm angry with the people tree Hill. I
Speaker 1: have like doubts about Oh my god, just why would
Speaker 1: you guys? I'm a level with you. Tree Hill is
Speaker 1: not a real place. However, sometimes the line between fact
Speaker 1: and fiction gets a little blurry, even for me. And
Speaker 1: so Wilmington is tree Hill, It just mean is. And
Speaker 1: I got mad watching this voter base like cheer enthusiastically
Speaker 1: for Dan, knowing that he beat his kid up, you know,
Speaker 1: like knowing that he's doing all these other horrible things,
Speaker 1: knowing that he's run this like smear campaign. He's so sleazy,
Speaker 1: he's probably shipped on every kid he went to high
Speaker 1: school with. So there are people in the community that
Speaker 1: know that he's awful, and they're just like yes, look
Speaker 1: at that ugly tie. Yeah, this is tie like Paul
Speaker 1: Joe Hansen in that time. Oh my god, because Paul's
Speaker 1: a handsome man. That tie was so upsetting. I could
Speaker 1: barely look at his face. I couldn't stop looking at it.
Speaker 1: I know it's a bad tie, a bad I wonder
Speaker 1: if it was. I actually was wondering as we were
Speaker 1: talking about the tie while we watched the episode, like
Speaker 1: do you think it was? It must have been on purpose.
Speaker 1: It must have been a wardrobe choice. You know, a
Speaker 1: team of people who make decisions on every single thing
Speaker 1: any of us wear is probably thought, this really makes
Speaker 1: him look douche and we want him to have that
Speaker 1: creepy politician vibe. It had to have been a choice.
Speaker 1: I don't know. We had to submit like four options
Speaker 1: for every outfit throughout the course of so you're wearing
Speaker 1: like five different outfits, and one episode you have to
Speaker 1: submit twenty different outfits so that this chain of command
Speaker 1: can pick out what you're gonna wear. The fact that
Speaker 1: it boiled down to that tie on Dan Scott just hotly.
Speaker 1: It could have just been. It could have just been, uh,
Speaker 1: somebody hung the four ties in his dressing room. And
Speaker 1: he was walking out the door and he just grabbed whatever.
Speaker 1: Are we blaming this? It's possible maybe it mus be ling,
Speaker 1: whimsical or just wasn't paying attention. He was like, I
Speaker 1: don't know, just putting me on a die. I don't care,
Speaker 1: give me a die. It was interesting that it was
Speaker 1: so red, white and blue, and then he was surrounded
Speaker 1: by all the red, white and blue decor, and then
Speaker 1: all the red, white and blue balloons and then all
Speaker 1: the kind of steady and it was in this sort
Speaker 1: of like really intense moving moment victory. And I don't
Speaker 1: mean moving emotionally, I mean everything around him was moving.
Speaker 1: We were all obviously very upset that he won. But
Speaker 1: when he turns around and and there's all this sort
Speaker 1: of chaos commotion, hubbub and Barbara has just been there
Speaker 1: on the stairs, and he does the thing, here's my wife,
Speaker 1: deb and then she's gone it. I loved it. I
Speaker 1: loved that they had her just bail and that he
Speaker 1: wasn't prepared for. It's the first thing that's caught him
Speaker 1: by surprise in a while. And it was nice to
Speaker 1: see Dan Scott in his moment be flustered. It really,
Speaker 1: it really communicated that he knew he didn't deserve it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean the wind that personality. I have to say
Speaker 1: I had one of the biggest problems about that level
Speaker 1: of malignant narcissism is that, um, I have had experience
Speaker 1: with this where everybody really thinks that you're the nicest
Speaker 1: guy in the world. Like they will look at a
Speaker 1: malignant narcissist and say that is genuinely like the nicest
Speaker 1: guy because they know how to their their mimics, so
Speaker 1: they know exactly how to mimic empathy and how to
Speaker 1: mimic and they'll cry sometimes because they are feeling sorry
Speaker 1: for themselves, so they can cry about themselves. They can feel,
Speaker 1: you know, show emotions. Everybody's like, that's not a narcissist.
Speaker 1: They've got emotion. And they'll even sometimes seem really shy
Speaker 1: and quiet and just helpful and super nice, and it
Speaker 1: just doesn't always show up as this big, loud, boisterous
Speaker 1: you know, everybody needs everybody's attention all the time. It
Speaker 1: also shows up the same way that Dan did at
Speaker 1: at his speech when he was trying to be humble
Speaker 1: and quiet and choked up. It's a little caricature e
Speaker 1: that they wrote it on the card pause for choke
Speaker 1: up all obviously like whatever, Okay, this is incredible, incredible
Speaker 1: to see it was great, But yeah, it is important
Speaker 1: to note that because even like family courts haven't even
Speaker 1: caught up with that, that is still you know, I've
Speaker 1: I've been to court recently with a friend of mine
Speaker 1: who was dealing with UM a narcissist X. And there's
Speaker 1: no set up for this, and they have a guidance
Speaker 1: setlite and guardian lighted and GLS what they're called. They're
Speaker 1: there to watch the child and recommend what's best for
Speaker 1: the child, and they meet with both the parents. And
Speaker 1: it's crazy because it's so easy to just get like
Speaker 1: scooped by the narcissism and you just come off as
Speaker 1: the nicest, sweetest person because and and the community people
Speaker 1: who are in abusive relationships with a narcissist feel often
Speaker 1: that they don't have any support because everyone around them
Speaker 1: is like sorry, like he's or she is really like
Speaker 1: the nicest person I ever met, They would never do
Speaker 1: what you're talking about. I've known them for twenty years
Speaker 1: and then and the truth is, you just don't know
Speaker 1: unless you're in that relationship. And dealing with it on
Speaker 1: a day to day basis, because you are the one
Speaker 1: place that is the safe punching bag, because no one
Speaker 1: will believe you. Well, that's something I think is so
Speaker 1: interesting about the bond between Karen and Death. They are
Speaker 1: only two women who know they know, and we're all
Speaker 1: bonded by Dan's narcissism. Do we know who Deb calls
Speaker 1: at the end of the episode, because it must be Karen. Well,
Speaker 1: Karen calls her Lucas. Yes, Karen calls Lucas. Lucas goes
Speaker 1: to Deb, Deb calls someone and was like, Karen knows
Speaker 1: or Lucas No, she says, Lucas nos is a key?
Speaker 1: Or Andy? Andy sent flowers. I like all of these
Speaker 1: potential because Lucas is the one who knew it was
Speaker 1: dead from the beginning, and and Dan showing that tape
Speaker 1: to Karen. Then Karen sees, I would imagine Deb leaving
Speaker 1: the dealership or something. Oh no, not leaving, no, buying
Speaker 1: the booze. It's it's whoever bought the booze. Uh, it's
Speaker 1: he didn't even need the tape. You know. That was
Speaker 1: like a weird scene that I was like, does because
Speaker 1: it alludes to the fact that he knows it's deb
Speaker 1: but we know he doesn't know it's Debb because at
Speaker 1: the end he's still like, you know, searching for whoever
Speaker 1: it is, and Lucas is like, he's not going to
Speaker 1: stop until he figures it out. That's right, because he says,
Speaker 1: this is the last thing tying you to it. Why
Speaker 1: do you know without this he won't know it's you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: who does he think it is? Who is He doesn't
Speaker 1: know it's deb yet. But let me tell you something.
Speaker 1: For as dorky as he looked in that tie, Uh,
Speaker 1: Barbara Allen Woods is killing it in this spide just.
Speaker 1: I don't know how her and Moira get like hotter
Speaker 1: and hotter and hotter on, but it gives me hope
Speaker 1: for my feature. I mean, ladies, I think we're all
Speaker 1: a lot hotter than we were when we were very uncomfortable,
Speaker 1: very uncomfortable and awkward. We are in a whole other
Speaker 1: This is a nice decade crash Ladies feels good. We
Speaker 1: had we as real examples set for us with our
Speaker 1: elder ladies. Um. Yeah, Barbara. Barbara is so put together
Speaker 1: and so classy. She doesn't make a scene, you know,
Speaker 1: but she holds up her end of the bargain, and
Speaker 1: the second it's over, she just quietly is gone, Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: She's like, great, you won. You got exactly what you needed,
Speaker 1: and now you don't need me. I'm not by your
Speaker 1: side anymore. So I want the divorce and it's all
Speaker 1: going to go through. But I think Nathan says, my
Speaker 1: mom's gone for good this time. I think, I don't know,
Speaker 1: definitely leave. I don't know, but like dad wouldn't leave Nathan.
Speaker 1: I thought that was so odd because her going, you know,
Speaker 1: to your point, her saying I'm done standing by you.
Speaker 1: I get that, But the my mom left, I was like,
Speaker 1: she's living Nathan. They tried to run away together. It
Speaker 1: fee I'm confused about that too, except that she's probably
Speaker 1: worried about the police finding out that she tried to
Speaker 1: kill Dan and maybe she's maybe she's going to get
Speaker 1: rid of something. Yeah, I don't know. That was confusing.
Speaker 1: M hm. Oh. Really nice to see Nathan and Haley
Speaker 1: get back together finally. That was really exciting that Ye. Also,
Speaker 1: there was no way that Hailey wouldn't have known the
Speaker 1: difference between Chris Keller and Nathan kissing. They're very different kissers.
Speaker 1: Have we all kissed? They also have very different faces? Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: for sure, Sophie. Have you kissed both of those boys
Speaker 1: on the show? Has Brooke kissed Nathan kissing Chris Keller
Speaker 1: when they hooked up? I don't remember. I don't think
Speaker 1: they ever actually kissing him. I don't think I ever
Speaker 1: had to kiss her. It's funny because in my head
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, broke, yeah, Brook cooking up with that
Speaker 1: guy and that guy and guy Brook up with everybody.
Speaker 1: But no, I don't think. I don't think we ever
Speaker 1: actually had to kiss I think we just woke up
Speaker 1: in bed together. Sorry missed out. I think realistic that
Speaker 1: Haley would have I mean, in the middle of that party,
Speaker 1: she was really kissed both Chris Killer Yes, yes, very different,
Speaker 1: both very They're very different kissers, different kissers. But but
Speaker 1: what I'm saying is like, in the moment of the
Speaker 1: heightened he swept up like how many people are going
Speaker 1: to be in a Batman costume like that, I don't know,
Speaker 1: and he just picked her up, and I could see
Speaker 1: how in the moment she would have been a little
Speaker 1: like and there was all the smoke around because he
Speaker 1: was flapping his wings and you know, we forget the wings.
Speaker 1: I don't know I can go with it. Well, you
Speaker 1: kind of your point. You were like you were like,
Speaker 1: I just wanted to believe it so bad. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: to your point, I think, how how would there be two?
Speaker 1: And also you go something's off and then you go,
Speaker 1: but maybe not. You can kind of convince yourself given
Speaker 1: the incredible misdirection of two Batman's. But it is also
Speaker 1: very funny because you know, for us, like we know
Speaker 1: these boys so well, we all spent ten years together,
Speaker 1: and it's like, yeah, you, you and James as actors
Speaker 1: did that scene, Like Tyler didn't get in the Batman
Speaker 1: suit and kiss you ever he got the crow never
Speaker 1: had to do work. Yeah, he didn't have to sweat
Speaker 1: in that suit. Poor James was like trying to avoid
Speaker 1: getting heat stroke in the back of trip. Oh my god.
Speaker 1: They were like shoving ice cubes in his Batman's suit.
Speaker 1: Angel boys. Because we all said it, We're like, we
Speaker 1: want to watch this movie. I want a movie, full
Speaker 1: movie road trip movie of those two we got robbed.
Speaker 1: That was a teenage planes, trains and automobiles with James
Speaker 1: and Tyler. Yes, just them starting and stopping that car.
Speaker 1: We were all cackling. It was so perfect. Their chemistry
Speaker 1: as actors and their comedic timing playing off of each other.
Speaker 1: It's Eben Costello, like they're straight and the funny man.
Speaker 1: It's the perfect great We think Chris Keller is winning
Speaker 1: Nathan over. Like Nathan he seems to be when he
Speaker 1: hits them all those times in a row when he's like,
Speaker 1: stop kissing my wife, and he's like, I did it
Speaker 1: for you. He got it three to punch in the
Speaker 1: face three times in a row. Stop hitting me, stop kissing.
Speaker 1: So funny, and Tyler is so willing to let Chris
Speaker 1: Keller be the butt of the joke. Like even even
Speaker 1: when they are walking away from crawling out of the
Speaker 1: swamp and James shoves him, Tyler almost goes to the ground.
Speaker 1: He doesn't like take a side step. He he really
Speaker 1: leans into letting Nathan beat up on Chris Keller, and
Speaker 1: it's so winning. That's one of my favorite things about actors.
Speaker 1: If I see an actor who's totally link to just
Speaker 1: make a complete ass out of themselves for the sake
Speaker 1: of the story of the character, it's the best. There's
Speaker 1: just no self awareness, there's no like oh my hair,
Speaker 1: Like don't worry, don't touch my nails, or you know,
Speaker 1: make sure that I don't want to get this shirt
Speaker 1: messy or what. You know, it's just like who cares now,
Speaker 1: I don't want to look stupid. I don't want my character.
Speaker 1: I don't want people to not like it. Like he
Speaker 1: just throw it all out the window and he just
Speaker 1: goes for it no matter what. It's awesome. I love it.
Speaker 1: How do we think, Like, what's that backstory? You know,
Speaker 1: we never really got Chris keller backstory? Was he a
Speaker 1: nerd at school? Was he Like what create? There's got
Speaker 1: to be some kind of pain or trauma to create
Speaker 1: a person. I for sure feel like Chris Keller got
Speaker 1: dunked in some toilets. Like that was the era of
Speaker 1: that joke. You know this we're talking about certain eras
Speaker 1: like you know, Karen getting attacked for running for mayor
Speaker 1: is a single mom? Like you know, there was like
Speaker 1: we were really coming out of an era where um
Speaker 1: that kind of TV shows Like yeah, there was a
Speaker 1: lot of representation of like physical bullying, a lot of hazing.
Speaker 1: You know, you saw a lot of hazing happening like
Speaker 1: in colleges and things which is so gross and scary
Speaker 1: and and you know you we also we don't we
Speaker 1: don't need to um dig into it too far because
Speaker 1: we don't have to defend bad writing. And y'all know
Speaker 1: what we believe in when it comes to our communities
Speaker 1: and equity. But like, there is a wildly inappropriate quote
Speaker 1: joke you know in this episode, Um, both a trans
Speaker 1: character and a character played by a little person were
Speaker 1: made into the butt of a joke in this episode.
Speaker 1: And then three of us just gross like gross, um.
Speaker 1: And you know who was that actor though? That he
Speaker 1: was on Seinfeld that Um, he's so good and he
Speaker 1: was souged and again like so super committed to the material.
Speaker 1: And watching those boys on the river boat which Tyler
Speaker 1: a murder mystery tour on that Oh my god, you
Speaker 1: got that Henrietta. That was the best. It's real. It
Speaker 1: never went ten years. I never got on the Henrietta.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go this fall and it still running. I mean, listen,
Speaker 1: isn't it you guys? The Cape Fear River is a
Speaker 1: mystical experience and sometimes you just have to go buy
Speaker 1: paddle boat. I thought it was going to be way
Speaker 1: more like Huckleberry Finn on there. You know, I was like,
Speaker 1: I don't go get on that river boat and do
Speaker 1: the murder mystery dinner. And so they bring you like
Speaker 1: your like rubber chicken, and you know, like you know
Speaker 1: it's boat food. I don't boat food doesn't have a
Speaker 1: strong reputation. But then like all of a sudden, it's
Speaker 1: like clue is happening around you and like swink, someone's
Speaker 1: dead and you've got to solve the problem and figure
Speaker 1: out who did it. Um. But but meanwhile you're just
Speaker 1: like kind of in a Motel six room because everything's
Speaker 1: like carpeted, kind of weird. It's like the Magic Castle.
Speaker 1: Yes it's been renovated since I went in the old
Speaker 1: era go back. Yes it still needs a renovation. We
Speaker 1: know Sophia Bush can get on Pinterest and renovate it within.
Speaker 1: I would love to. Danny Woodburn is the one who
Speaker 1: was playing Marty on the riverboat. I thought it was
Speaker 1: so fun the idea of That's what I mean about
Speaker 1: this episode being kind of there's so much random stuff,
Speaker 1: but it all really worked and worked well together. The
Speaker 1: road trip of these Boys, which is kind of could
Speaker 1: have been a bottle episode of its own end should
Speaker 1: have been a full length movie. Um, they ended up
Speaker 1: going on this river boat and playing poker on the
Speaker 1: casino in the in the casino area of the boat,
Speaker 1: and then the jumping into the river. And remember there shooting.
Speaker 1: They were alligators in that river. They were shooting, they
Speaker 1: were in wet suits, there were stunt guys. They were
Speaker 1: shooting until like six in the morning. But they got
Speaker 1: such great material. I just loved it. I thought it
Speaker 1: was such a fun storyline. I can't believe anyone would
Speaker 1: get into the Cape Fear River voluntarily, like no, thank you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's why they didn't ask any of us to do it.
Speaker 1: They were like, let's get the boys. They seem like
Speaker 1: good sports. They'll jump in that river. But they had
Speaker 1: to have like gator wranglers in the water ready to
Speaker 1: intercept anything that came through. Um, that's insane. You couldn't
Speaker 1: have paid me. I want to hand it to our
Speaker 1: our our crew. This is a really good episode to
Speaker 1: kind of brag on our crew because when you think
Speaker 1: about all of the big things they had to do.
Speaker 1: They had to do a huge mayoral like inauguration kind
Speaker 1: of deal, you know, with all the balloons and all
Speaker 1: the people and all the extras. They had to do
Speaker 1: this huge river boat where you're filming out on the
Speaker 1: boat and then you're out on the water and you've
Speaker 1: got to do stunt work the water in the middle
Speaker 1: of the night. You know, they've got Brooks whole fashion show,
Speaker 1: which for for our wardrobe, having to put together something
Speaker 1: like that is always kind of a big task. Um.
Speaker 1: And then we did the split screen thing with Peyton
Speaker 1: that we've never done before and was like very technically
Speaker 1: difficult because you have to lock off the camera and
Speaker 1: then go change so we had to change back and
Speaker 1: forth between Peyton and Angel I think a couple of times.
Speaker 1: It was very confusing. Um, that's a lot the the
Speaker 1: specificity of our crew being able to handle all of
Speaker 1: those things in a what eight day episode? Did we
Speaker 1: shoot in seven or eight days? Eight days? Eight days?
Speaker 1: To do all that is a lot of work. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it really is. I really you did such a nice
Speaker 1: job with that. Hillary. I loved seeing you play both
Speaker 1: parts in the same scene. It wasn't you were great. Honestly,
Speaker 1: it feels like weird, like even talking about those scenes,
Speaker 1: because normally it's like you and another person, but when
Speaker 1: it's you versus you there's ever done that before? What's
Speaker 1: It's hard to wrap your brain around it a little bit,
Speaker 1: um because it either feels like you're picking on yourself
Speaker 1: or you're being self congratulatory. You know. I feel like
Speaker 1: there were like one too many of those scenes we
Speaker 1: could have We could have done without one. We didn't
Speaker 1: have to keep coming back to it. But what I
Speaker 1: will say is that I had made a number of
Speaker 1: complaints about Peyton consistently being this like Debbie Downer and
Speaker 1: like everything said, like, how do you snap a person
Speaker 1: out of that? You called them on their ship? But
Speaker 1: it it didn't really fit to have anybody else called
Speaker 1: Peyton out and be like, oh you said about your mommy.
Speaker 1: You know what you're gonna do? You know? I think
Speaker 1: the only way that it makes sense is to have
Speaker 1: Peyton say it to herself and be like, are we
Speaker 1: going to be a victim forever and ever? Yeah? And
Speaker 1: you know, either you do the cheesy thing of having
Speaker 1: that conversation with yourself in a mirror um and you
Speaker 1: have to like recite a monologue, or you do the
Speaker 1: Mary Kate Nashley Olson split screen um, and you get
Speaker 1: I like this device. I like it I loved you
Speaker 1: know what, I think I loved it because of what
Speaker 1: you're saying there. That we have to do that in life.
Speaker 1: You know, it's not Sometimes you'll have a really good
Speaker 1: friend who's willing to step up to the plate and
Speaker 1: say things to you that are really hard and risk
Speaker 1: the friendship. Um, but most of the time people aren't
Speaker 1: willing to do things like that, and even if they do,
Speaker 1: it's not always. You can't always receive it right away.
Speaker 1: It takes time, and so it's important that we have
Speaker 1: that voice with ourselves, that we're able to face ourselves
Speaker 1: in the mirror and say, hey, snap out of it.
Speaker 1: Stop feeling sorry for yourself. Stop living in this space
Speaker 1: where you are constantly running the record in your head
Speaker 1: of all your failures and all the things that you
Speaker 1: could have done differently. Stop it. We've talked about the
Speaker 1: beginning of this season. Peyton has been really blunt with everybody.
Speaker 1: She was really blunt with Haley where she's like, you
Speaker 1: left and yeah, you came back, and that's why I'm
Speaker 1: being a bit. She was really blunt with Nathan when
Speaker 1: he drove into that wall and was like, you're trying
Speaker 1: to call yourself, you know, She's been really blunt with Brooke,
Speaker 1: just like, go talk to Lucas, why are you being
Speaker 1: a baby about this? And so for her to be
Speaker 1: blunt with herself, um, I think tracks. Yeah, I also
Speaker 1: think there's something to look Peyton is being very blunt
Speaker 1: with a lot of people. Well, she's in a position
Speaker 1: where her pain and what she's going through from the
Speaker 1: outside might make people say, well, she's really strong, but
Speaker 1: she's having a hard time, and there is no I
Speaker 1: think in life, there's often no worse critic than our
Speaker 1: inner critic. And I mean I said this too while
Speaker 1: we were watching Upset. I was like, oh, this is
Speaker 1: making me feel crazy, like having to have a fight
Speaker 1: with my self doubt, Like Peyton is literally living in
Speaker 1: my hell right now. And I think that it's as
Speaker 1: a device. Yes, it's more interesting than watching someone have
Speaker 1: an argument with themselves in the mirror, but it also
Speaker 1: put an experience to something that so many kids deal with,
Speaker 1: that we deal with as adults. But now we're in
Speaker 1: this moment where we're talking more about mental health and
Speaker 1: self care and self doubt and how you know, feelings
Speaker 1: aren't fact. We have terminology. We didn't have that in
Speaker 1: two thousand and five, and I think for people to
Speaker 1: see what it really is like when that self doubt
Speaker 1: spiral kicks off and you're listening to something criticize you
Speaker 1: all day, and how hard that can be. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I found it. I know you love to tell a joke, Hill,
Speaker 1: but I found it really powerful in terms of what
Speaker 1: it represented. And I would imagine that it helped people
Speaker 1: talk about what they're inner dialogue sounded like to people
Speaker 1: that they trusted. At least I should hope, I mean,
Speaker 1: I hope that we all have um inner characters. The
Speaker 1: dress and costume, like if you're inner voice, costume the
Speaker 1: right like I feel like that pangel costume is probably
Speaker 1: more me and like bitchy, and I guess I was
Speaker 1: just so much more comfortable in that skin than like
Speaker 1: anything else that I did on this show. That was
Speaker 1: like my comfort zone. If I could just always be
Speaker 1: that awful, oh man, I would have so much fun.
Speaker 1: So this is genius. This is wait. We we really
Speaker 1: should put costumes on our inner our whiny inner child,
Speaker 1: because no, this is so good, because you know what,
Speaker 1: when I could do this, we do this with um,
Speaker 1: you can do this with kids. I did this with Maria,
Speaker 1: we would watch a movie and if something was really
Speaker 1: extra scary, like a monster would come out, and I
Speaker 1: would be like, Maria, he's only making that face because
Speaker 1: he's about to sneeze, and all of a sudden, she would,
Speaker 1: you know, her whole mindset about it would change, and
Speaker 1: then she would be like kind of giggling and think
Speaker 1: something was really funny, you know, or like, oh, he's
Speaker 1: got he can't I don't know, he's got a really
Speaker 1: bad itch in his ear and he can't reach it,
Speaker 1: or he's it is. But can you imagine if if
Speaker 1: on your inner child, the one that's complaining, the one
Speaker 1: that was traumatized, that's causing you all the problems still
Speaker 1: in your adulthood, every time you see that child, it's
Speaker 1: just wearing a big petulant like giant pink bunny costume,
Speaker 1: like a kid at a birthday party who's just been
Speaker 1: you know, had the cakes build on them and they're like, huh,
Speaker 1: I don't want it. It's after four of July, which
Speaker 1: means Halloween stores and those like spirit costume stores are
Speaker 1: right about to open up all across a marathon. We
Speaker 1: need everybody to go by a costume for their inter asshole.
Speaker 1: Can someone explain one thing to me? Though? That has
Speaker 1: bothered me ever since we shot this scene. What And
Speaker 1: I remember asking this question on the day Angel like
Speaker 1: leans in the door frame of the of the closet
Speaker 1: and it's like, closet full of anxiety? Get it? And
Speaker 1: I didn't get it on the day and I asked
Speaker 1: our script supervisor and I asked our director, and I
Speaker 1: asked everybody. I'm like, what does that mean? What does
Speaker 1: you do? And they're like, just say the lines. Hillary,
Speaker 1: I was like, can we change it to something else?
Speaker 1: And they're like, just say the lines. I still don't
Speaker 1: know what it means, isn't it I don't know. I
Speaker 1: don't get over it either. Yeah, because it is the
Speaker 1: point that she is anxiety personified and she's in the closets?
Speaker 1: Are we talking about being in the closet? Are like?
Speaker 1: What are we refer anxiety? Sexuality? Did they not make
Speaker 1: a decision and so they never made the lines like this,
Speaker 1: what is it? I think it's anxiety. I think that's
Speaker 1: what it is. She she is I'm your anxiety and
Speaker 1: I'm standing in the closet and it's in the closet
Speaker 1: because you won't ever let it out, so it's like
Speaker 1: that's a that's a real you gotta dig deep one
Speaker 1: if feelings are in the closet, I don't know if
Speaker 1: someone can make sense of it, cool DM me, I'll
Speaker 1: read it like it has always bothered me because I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: we were really cooking here and that just took the
Speaker 1: wind out sales so weird. Then there's nothing worse than
Speaker 1: when something pulls you out of a scene and you go,
Speaker 1: what what, because then you're just not present anymore? Would
Speaker 1: you guys ever? Who's sometimes like as an actor, I
Speaker 1: feel like I don't understand this, but clearly like someone
Speaker 1: wrote it and a bunch of other people signed off
Speaker 1: on it, so I'm the odd man out. So if
Speaker 1: I ask, I'm gonna look really dull all the time
Speaker 1: all the time. Yeah, yeah, especially with UM. I feel
Speaker 1: like also with my with my A D D. I'm
Speaker 1: always I can think really, really really intensely about things
Speaker 1: that are very simple, and I hyper focus, so then
Speaker 1: I can't get off of it, like I'm I'm trying
Speaker 1: and sometimes people think I'm just being a bit and
Speaker 1: I'm like no, I'm like my brain is stuck in
Speaker 1: a short circuit loop and like, I can't get off
Speaker 1: of it, and I don't understand what this means. I
Speaker 1: did this with the guys delivering my pods the other
Speaker 1: day and we were trying to like line it up
Speaker 1: in the driveway and he was like, no, we just
Speaker 1: well we can't. We just don't have room. And I'm like,
Speaker 1: but I don't understand why you don't have room because
Speaker 1: I've seen the truck move and it and he's like
Speaker 1: explaining all the mechanisms and I'm like, yeah, but if
Speaker 1: it just can we just put it on? And he's like, man,
Speaker 1: you're making this more complicated than it needs to be. Joy.
Speaker 1: This is like a Snicker's commercial candy bar to just
Speaker 1: checked you and be like you. But I feel that
Speaker 1: way all the time when I read scripts and I
Speaker 1: see things that and I've and I'm the one who
Speaker 1: will be like, I don't understand this. Can somebody explain it?
Speaker 1: As soon as they say it, I'm like, I'm a
Speaker 1: an idiot, Yep, got it, totally, totally could have gotten
Speaker 1: that myself. But if I had just gotten off of this, Joy,
Speaker 1: I've had fifteen years to try to figure out this
Speaker 1: closet full of anxiety and it's still not happening. I
Speaker 1: just I like to ask, because you know, then they're like,
Speaker 1: did you win that our brains are similar? If I
Speaker 1: don't ask the question just to be like, I just
Speaker 1: want to clarify something. If I don't ask, I won't
Speaker 1: be able to stop obsessing over it. And then it's
Speaker 1: like I can't pay attention to anything else because I'm like,
Speaker 1: but this, but this, but this, but it's like a
Speaker 1: skipping record. So I don't know. But here, by the way,
Speaker 1: you did ask and you didn't get an answer. They
Speaker 1: didn't have an answer because they didn't think it out
Speaker 1: or they didn't bother to find out, and so they
Speaker 1: told you to basically like you know, there was just
Speaker 1: about like dance monkey. Thing I'll say about the painel
Speaker 1: thing is this was we talked about some nugget jobs
Speaker 1: in this episode. Pangel makes this reference. Was Jake just
Speaker 1: trying to get in your pants? And should Lucas be
Speaker 1: with you instead of Brooke? And that is the first
Speaker 1: inkling that we have that like rh row something. I'm
Speaker 1: still interested because they've been so platonic, deeply platonic. I
Speaker 1: thought we worked really well together platonically and now we've
Speaker 1: got this little tidbit. Yeah. Interesting, well, and it is
Speaker 1: a great little nugget because it does show you how
Speaker 1: far back they were thinking about continuing to to really
Speaker 1: lean into that sea saw that Lucas was going to
Speaker 1: make between Brooke and Peyton, and you know, none of
Speaker 1: it was accidental, like you know, the writers were mining
Speaker 1: for drama. I don't know, maybe by season three they
Speaker 1: were like, well, we've been on for three years, We're
Speaker 1: going to do this for a long time. We better
Speaker 1: figured away to keep stirring the pot. But because we
Speaker 1: were in the Lucas and Brooke Letterer thing and and
Speaker 1: and really in Brooks feelings about not knowing if she
Speaker 1: could risk trusting him again, it's easy to let that
Speaker 1: slide by. But when we watch it back, you go,
Speaker 1: oh wow, they were they were laying the pipe early.
Speaker 1: They were let people wanted to keep that conflict going.
Speaker 1: I loved I loved Fens in this episode. Yes, I mean,
Speaker 1: you really showed up. It was so beautiful and so simple,
Speaker 1: and you just you know, one of the things I
Speaker 1: love about you as an actress is you're so good
Speaker 1: at comedy and you're so on top of it, and
Speaker 1: you're you know, you're so smart that you're paying attention
Speaker 1: to all the different elements and and um crafting your
Speaker 1: performance towards specifically what is needed in the scene and
Speaker 1: also caring for your character. And you know it's great
Speaker 1: because you have all that stuff going on, but to
Speaker 1: see you just strip all of the stuff away. And
Speaker 1: by stuff, I don't mean that you I don't mean
Speaker 1: to say that you're doing things. What I mean is
Speaker 1: that you're when you're on for comedy, we can count
Speaker 1: on you because you know how to put it all on.
Speaker 1: And to see you so Sophia and Brooke just strip
Speaker 1: it all down and just stand there and not do
Speaker 1: anything and just be in your emotions, it was I'm
Speaker 1: so glad that they wrote an opportunity for Brooke to
Speaker 1: do that, and for you to do that as Brooke.
Speaker 1: That's me making things over complicated, but I hope you
Speaker 1: don't have And I love that because I was, especially
Speaker 1: in the earlier seasons, I was given a lot to juggle,
Speaker 1: to do comedic relief, and it's fun to be a juggler.
Speaker 1: But when you do get to just stand and be exposed,
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's particular for brooking this episode, because
Speaker 1: the whole point is that she's putting her defenses down,
Speaker 1: she's really kept the walls up, and and to lay
Speaker 1: it all on the line and say this is how
Speaker 1: I spent my summer, this is how I really feel.
Speaker 1: I'm terrified and it's painful for me to be raw
Speaker 1: like this. I I wanted that for her because she
Speaker 1: she was such a character and I think this is
Speaker 1: somewhere where you know, I feel like we're the most similar.
Speaker 1: A person who seems to project that they have it together,
Speaker 1: but who's very anxious, afraid, emotional like things that people
Speaker 1: might not see. And so to be able to have
Speaker 1: people with whom you can really be yourself um is
Speaker 1: so important and it was nice to model, to model that,
Speaker 1: I think in in these moments with a character like this,
Speaker 1: I do want to add, not for nothing, you weren't
Speaker 1: going you weren't going through a breakup with the person
Speaker 1: that you were playing a romance opposite of, and regardless
Speaker 1: of what all those circumstances were, that's incredibly difficult emotionally
Speaker 1: to be able to be vulnerable and be there in
Speaker 1: that moment. There's lots of actors who have who have
Speaker 1: done that, and who have done movies and TV shows
Speaker 1: and things. They date their costar or whatever, it doesn't
Speaker 1: work out. But the fact that you were able to
Speaker 1: just be that raw, open and vulnerable, it's it's a
Speaker 1: real credit to you as an artist. Um that you
Speaker 1: put your art in front of everybody and just were like, look,
Speaker 1: this is it this, I'm just sharing my heart and
Speaker 1: here we are. I thought it was really beautiful. Well
Speaker 1: that's the point for me, you know, And that people
Speaker 1: can call it whatever they want. They can say it's strength,
Speaker 1: they can say it's pride, they can say it's professionalism.
Speaker 1: You can put a positive or a negative skew on it.
Speaker 1: But I was always going to put Brooke Davis ahead
Speaker 1: of everybody and everything else. Nothing mattered to me but
Speaker 1: being honest for her. Yeah. Yeah, I was with someone
Speaker 1: on the show forever and when we broke up, it
Speaker 1: was crickets. No one ever shit about it. No one
Speaker 1: was like, oh, I wonder what's going on with Hillary
Speaker 1: on set? Should be crazy because they didn't know him,
Speaker 1: you know, And so the difference between our situations was crazy.
Speaker 1: This thing about making the girls on our show gravel,
Speaker 1: I've seen so much, and then like for Brooke to
Speaker 1: do it, only for Lucas to turn around and be like,
Speaker 1: guess what, I'm not mad at you anymore? Games over,
Speaker 1: I forgive you. Can you handle it? So for for
Speaker 1: him to be like, first of all, so patronizing, for
Speaker 1: a boy to be like, I forgive you for the
Speaker 1: thing you did that I actually have no right to
Speaker 1: be upset about. But then for her to be like,
Speaker 1: you can't, it's too awful. I was like, you know,
Speaker 1: it was very odd that again, that these men in
Speaker 1: their forties wanted teenage girls to like apologize for who
Speaker 1: they were and big men to be with them. I
Speaker 1: was like, I don't like this. I love forgiveness as
Speaker 1: much as the next guy, right, Like, how great is
Speaker 1: to be able to forgive someone for doing something shitty
Speaker 1: to you? It's amazing, it's scandalous, it's powerful, it's beautiful.
Speaker 1: It was totally out of context in this scenario. I
Speaker 1: was like, what are we doing? This is not the place.
Speaker 1: This is the kind of tone deaf here, guys. Because
Speaker 1: there were a couple episodes where you know, I even
Speaker 1: said to the fan base and like, yes, I want
Speaker 1: Brooke and Lucas together. I I see this couple. I
Speaker 1: think they have fun with each other. They're teenagers together,
Speaker 1: which is not what most of relationships on our show
Speaker 1: where Yeah, as teenagers, they got to be silly, and
Speaker 1: our show needed a little bit of like silliness and discovery.
Speaker 1: Couldn't all be like marriage and death and like it's
Speaker 1: Psycho Derek, he's coming up. Wait, we have to still
Speaker 1: talk about clothes over bros. And we haven't really spent
Speaker 1: any time on that. We just pour a little energy
Speaker 1: into close over bros. Because this is so exciting to
Speaker 1: see this come alive for the first time using pain
Speaker 1: arn't work, um, which I guess do you guys have
Speaker 1: a fight about licensing fee? Like wait, this is another
Speaker 1: one of those scenes that you know is going to
Speaker 1: blossom in future episode. Okay, I hope love it. I
Speaker 1: loved watching Brooke just get back on that horse and
Speaker 1: not be afraid and not not just you know, implode
Speaker 1: into herself. And it's true. It's actually a theme with
Speaker 1: what we were talking about in last week's episode with
Speaker 1: the play that I wrote that you know it ended
Speaker 1: up it's it's not mine anymore. And it took me
Speaker 1: years before I was able to write again because I
Speaker 1: was like, somebody stole my idea and they're taking it
Speaker 1: away from me, and yeah, and it it was so
Speaker 1: so heartbreaking. But I actually went back and watched the
Speaker 1: video of it, which I haven't seen since it came out,
Speaker 1: and it's like way too long. I was like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, it's forty five minutes in and like we
Speaker 1: haven't had conflict yet, like why is my play so long?
Speaker 1: But you know that's what workshops are four anyway. But
Speaker 1: but the point is, sorry, I'm I'm a d ding
Speaker 1: okay back hollow um Okay. What I'm saying is that, uh,
Speaker 1: it's it really is true that you cannot and Paul
Speaker 1: used to say this to me all the time too.
Speaker 1: People can take your ideas, but they can't take your talent.
Speaker 1: And it's I love seeing that come to life with
Speaker 1: Broke here because it's such an important lesson and for
Speaker 1: anybody out there who you know, feels like you gave
Speaker 1: your all to something and then it just got whisked
Speaker 1: away or fell apart or stolen or what didn't work
Speaker 1: or whatever. Nobody can take away your talent. You're always
Speaker 1: going to be able to create more and more and
Speaker 1: more and more, there's an unending supply of ideas and
Speaker 1: to A went out there and I loved seeing Brooke
Speaker 1: go for it in the six hours creating oh oh
Speaker 1: my god, warp speed. But there's there's the there's the
Speaker 1: there's the hyper activity part. When we talk about like
Speaker 1: our A D H D. We're like, that's it, that's
Speaker 1: what it is. You just sit down and sew. But
Speaker 1: I did love too, the sort of mirror Like I
Speaker 1: think back to when Brooke and Payton invented the selfie
Speaker 1: with the polaroid and we fist bumped and we were
Speaker 1: like hose over rose and then and then here it
Speaker 1: is in these women, you know, trying to sort of
Speaker 1: reclaim their identity outside of their relationships. And I love
Speaker 1: that it's this moment in our apartment, in our first
Speaker 1: taste of adulthood, and and it's between Brooke and Hailey
Speaker 1: and it's you know, oh, well, the thing, the thing
Speaker 1: I always used to say, like our girl anthem. Now
Speaker 1: it's about our work. You know. It's close over bros.
Speaker 1: And it's like, no, it's cute. I really. I made
Speaker 1: me so happy. You guys have such a strong dynamic
Speaker 1: together because there's um so quietness to the interactions when
Speaker 1: it's just the two of you, that is really tender. Um.
Speaker 1: And those are the safe spaces where you can come
Speaker 1: up with new ideas. Those are the safe spaces, like
Speaker 1: when Haley is like, of course I will help you,
Speaker 1: I will make your website, Like of course, why would
Speaker 1: you think that I wouldn't? You know? Like, I love
Speaker 1: watching that dynamic because I think for people who are
Speaker 1: struggling with female friendships, you know, like I didn't, I
Speaker 1: think we all have a lot to learn because a
Speaker 1: lot of the female friendships we saw on TV or
Speaker 1: we just like you know, dealt with in high school
Speaker 1: can be kind of toxic. Um. These are the moments
Speaker 1: to emulate where when your friend has an idea and
Speaker 1: you show up, that's like saying I love you with
Speaker 1: the biggest megaphone ever. Yeah, I agree, love that one.
Speaker 1: Guys are kidding our sweatsuits. Listen, If I don't have
Speaker 1: a Danny sweatsuit on this ass by September when my
Speaker 1: kids go to school, I'm gonna make it happen. We're
Speaker 1: working on it. We're working on it. Um. In the meantime,
Speaker 1: let's spin a wheel and find out who's most likely
Speaker 1: to um who is most likely to become a meme?
Speaker 1: Brook Davis? How is there any other? There's like, you
Speaker 1: know what I love when on my phone to send
Speaker 1: my girlfriends like, you know, like a shitty text or something.
Speaker 1: And I'm being a real dick and I just look
Speaker 1: up a word where I'm like, you know, go to
Speaker 1: hell or whatever, and all of a sudden, it's also
Speaker 1: Fia on there. It's all Brooke Davis on there. And
Speaker 1: I'm like, you can type any word you want to
Speaker 1: in the gift search on your phone, you'll come up. Wait,
Speaker 1: I need to start doing that more. Yeah. Also, do
Speaker 1: you send me yourself to your friends by any chance? Yes?
Speaker 1: Come on, you have to have sun and are a
Speaker 1: lot of memes of the three of us, and you're
Speaker 1: very good which character? So we should just start responding
Speaker 1: to each other only in memes of our of ourselves.
Speaker 1: That Yeah, yeah, you went both to search for your
Speaker 1: fact and question. M hmmm, you win. That feels fun.
Speaker 1: I love it. I love a meme, I really do.
Speaker 1: I should gets a close second. I think he's such
Speaker 1: a legendary jan Yeah, is there a you can't kill
Speaker 1: Dan Scott gift? There must But but a couple of
Speaker 1: weeks ago there was there was the one of the
Speaker 1: dogs eating the heart that was circulating because in real
Speaker 1: life somebody was getting a heart off of a helicopter
Speaker 1: and they slipped in the bell and everyone started posting
Speaker 1: the Dan Scott gift. What's a gift? What's a meme?
Speaker 1: I don't know the difference old, but seeing that circulate,
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, bro yeah, that poor guy, Like
Speaker 1: imagine being the doctor. It's probably fine. Just how is
Speaker 1: it off? It just fell on the room with a
Speaker 1: quick sailing wash. I don't know what. What's a little gravel?
Speaker 1: Um you guys? I love you? What are we doing
Speaker 1: next week? Love you? What do we see anybody? Ten?
Speaker 1: Brave New World? I don't know about this. Uh, Payton's
Speaker 1: got a crush on Lucas. Lucas. Are we gonna have
Speaker 1: to hear Brooks letters? Oh god, I want to watch
Speaker 1: a one act play like the Vagina Monologues, just of
Speaker 1: Brooke Davis's letters, summer letters to Lucy so good, okay,
Speaker 1: good good. I love you guys, to be fun to
Speaker 1: f and to see you next week. Yes you guys later,
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