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Speaker 1: Coming to you live from the Cross Country Mortgage Campus

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Speaker 1: Here are your hosts, Bo Bishop and Nathan Zegura.

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Speaker 2: It's you Live on a reaction Monday edition Clear the

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Speaker 2: Browns Daily. I am merely Bo. He is the great z.

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Speaker 2: It goes in the books twenty three to nine over

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Speaker 2: in Pittsburgh. As the Browns dropped to one in five

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Speaker 2: on the season. It's a tough one to look back on.

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Speaker 2: It was a tough one to watch you were there

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Speaker 2: in person, tough one to broadcast as well. There just

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Speaker 2: wasn't much in terms of momentum that the Cleveland Browns

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Speaker 2: were able to generate in any way. No, and it

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Speaker 2: was very disappointing.

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Speaker 3: Obviously if you are the Cleveland Browns, you're a fan

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Speaker 3: of the Cleveland Browns because it was in many ways

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Speaker 3: more of the same, right, it was a game that

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Speaker 3: you lost in a manner in which you don't want

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Speaker 3: to see this team lose games anymore. Ineffective offense, a

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Speaker 3: special teams, blunder that leads directly to points for the opponent,

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Speaker 3: drop passes, penalties, solid defense, you know, solid defense, but

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Speaker 3: you're just not getting it done. And it's a brand

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Speaker 3: of football that is not all that enjoyable to watch, unfortunately.

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Speaker 3: And it's a brand of football that is not producing

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Speaker 3: the desired outcomes.

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Speaker 2: And that is a big, big problem. Yeah, And I

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Speaker 2: think you know the other thing is is it's not

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Speaker 2: if you go back to the summer and you think

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Speaker 2: about how this roster was put together and the way

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Speaker 2: you and I said this in camp, like you were

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Speaker 2: going to try to win, holding teams in the teams

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Speaker 2: and you scoring high teens or low twenties, you were

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Speaker 2: going to try to monopolize the ball. You were going

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Speaker 2: to try to play very clean football. One of the

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Speaker 2: things they really liked about Kenny Picktt, and one of

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Speaker 2: the reasons that he was here and they went out

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Speaker 2: and got him is because he was risk adverse. So

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Speaker 2: the idea was, we're going to run the ball with

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Speaker 2: all of this bevy of backs that we have, with

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Speaker 2: quin Shawn Judkins being the bell cow, we'll play action

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Speaker 2: off of it. Kenny will take care of the ball.

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Speaker 2: We won't turn the ball over and we'll play great

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Speaker 2: defense and we'll try to take the air out of

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Speaker 2: the ball, as it were, and massage wins was the

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Speaker 2: idea and in order for that to happen, though, that's

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Speaker 2: already tough. That's a tough challenge. It's very I think

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Speaker 2: I said the phrase a very difficult needle to thread

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Speaker 2: a thousand times in August. It was always going to

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Speaker 2: be a very difficult needle to thread. But it's also

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Speaker 2: one that's entirely predicated on you getting a lead and

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Speaker 2: then then doing it, and so you have to have

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Speaker 2: that too. You got to at least have one drive

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Speaker 2: where you go get seven and then you can try

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Speaker 2: to play that way. But we're not able to do that,

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Speaker 2: and so each week. And by the way, this is

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Speaker 2: not this was. This isn't mean Joe Green, it's not

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Speaker 2: jack Ham and Lambert, and this isn't that, it's it's

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Speaker 2: not Harrison, it's not Kevin Green, it's not all the

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Speaker 2: greats that they've had through the years. This defense was

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Speaker 2: in the bottom third in both run and pass defense

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Speaker 2: coming into this game, and we were just unable to

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Speaker 2: get anything going offensively. And it's i don't know where

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Speaker 2: the answers are there. I'm sure Kevin's struggling for them

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Speaker 2: as well.

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Speaker 3: In the Week four, Yeah, they sacked Carson went six times,

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Speaker 3: which they ended up sacking Dylan Gabriel six times. I

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Speaker 3: think they hit him fourteen depending on which site you use,

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Speaker 3: fourteen to seventeen times, which is the most quarterback has

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Speaker 3: been hitting a single game this year. But Carson still

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Speaker 3: threw for three hundred and fifty yards against them.

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Speaker 2: He did. Yeah, we threw the.

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Speaker 3: Ball fifty two times, and then you add in the sacks,

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Speaker 3: you add in some penalties. I mean, we drop back

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Speaker 3: so many times in this game, it's hard to really

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Speaker 3: get your head around it. Uh and twenty nine and

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Speaker 2: That's good.

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Speaker 3: That's probably the big positive that you could say right now.

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Speaker 3: They have not turned the ball over in either of

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Speaker 3: the last two games. But this is about winning.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 3: You're at least eliminating one of the reasons that you

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Speaker 3: were losing games. But the fact that you still can't

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Speaker 3: score that you've got I mean, I don't mean we're

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Speaker 2: On offense, I mean, we are just are not scared

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Speaker 3: They did who was And I'm pretty sure they were

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Speaker 3: three and fourteen last year. Yeah, we had the same record, right,

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Speaker 3: they were one in five this year, so they're same

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Speaker 3: trajectory with we have a better roster than they do, like, oh,

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Speaker 3: no doubt, not even close. No really, No, they don't

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Speaker 3: have quin Shawn Jenkins, they don't have Harold Fannin. Nope,

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Speaker 3: who's a good player. Kelvin Ridley would be a nice

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I mean that's there's yeah, not much. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: we do not throw the ball down the field.

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Speaker 3: If you people who watch the tape and you know, well,

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Speaker 3: I'm sure we'll have Jake on tomorrow to talk about it.

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Speaker 3: But as the game went on, Pittsford didn't even care

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Speaker 2: Yeah I heard, I saw some of that. I haven't.

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Speaker 2: They weren't even they were not even concerned about it.

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Speaker 3: Now, early in the game, there are multiple opportunities to

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Speaker 3: get the ball down the field, and I think Dylan's

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Speaker 3: nervous about getting we're not protecting great, let's know, but

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Speaker 3: from a clean pocket, we're not operating the way that

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Speaker 3: we need to be operating. You can't average five yards

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Speaker 3: step from a clean pocket and be successful in the

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Speaker 3: National Football League like guys from clean pockets. Now it's

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Speaker 3: eighty percent completions and you know, seven, eight, nine, ten

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Speaker 3: a little more difficult to operate. There are multiple plays

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Speaker 3: where you know, Isaiah Bond, for example, got deep on

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Speaker 3: a hard play action up the sideline and we're not

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Speaker 3: throwing it. There's another one where we ran a concept

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Speaker 3: that's a dig from the left, a post from the right,

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Speaker 3: you just throw the post and let your guy go

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Speaker 3: that means the dig's going to be open and he

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Speaker 2: Some room to run out the other side. We ran that.

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Speaker 2: The guy comes down, so you can throw the post.

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Speaker 3: Bond's got a step on him, Just throw it out there,

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Speaker 3: let him run under it, and we throw a check down.

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Speaker 3: So we're even when the advantage opportunities and there aren't

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Speaker 3: Ajoku ends up uncovered that could have been a big game.

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Speaker 3: Even when that's happening, we're still not getting the kind

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Speaker 3: of plays or the kind of results that we want,

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Speaker 3: and we're not being aggressive enough. I don't think we're

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Speaker 3: being aggressive enough down the field because this team right now,

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Speaker 3: especially with all the issues on the line of Conkland

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Speaker 2: Hurt as well.

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Speaker 3: But we threw two passes of more than twenty yards

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Speaker 3: in the air the entire game and now for the season.

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Speaker 3: For the season, on passes of ten yards in the

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Speaker 3: air or more with Dylan here were nine of twenty

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess it didn't feel like it was much

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Speaker 2: different with Joe in terms of even taking shots. You

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Speaker 2: would say we've got to take some shot. Joe field

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Speaker 2: a little bit, and we just weren't doing it. And

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Speaker 2: then the other thing was is when there were shots,

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Speaker 2: not shots, but when there were passes that weren't check downs,

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Speaker 2: there are instances where we're just dropping it. Yeah, we

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Speaker 2: had three drops again, like all in all in a

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Speaker 2: Like if he puts it on your hands, and Harold

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Speaker 2: Fanner was great, but he puts it on his hands

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Speaker 2: can't have that. And so if you're if you're not

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Speaker 2: it in harm's way, that's a problem when you are.

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Speaker 2: If it's if it's glancing off players hands and stuff,

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Speaker 2: that's a problem. Every single thing right now in the

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Speaker 2: past game, I don't know that there's a thing you

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Speaker 2: can rely upon as we stand right now, not the protection,

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Speaker 2: not the not to catch it, and nothing, there's nothing

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Speaker 3: And even even Harold fan who has you know, a

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Speaker 3: career high seven catches eighty one yards, both career highs

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Speaker 3: he had our longest play the day of the twenty

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Speaker 3: four yard or you know, we didn't have any thirty

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Speaker 3: He had a huge drop on what was one of

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Speaker 3: Dylan Gabriel's better plays to elude the rush and throw

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Speaker 3: it out there, a perfect ball and then he drops it.

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Speaker 2: It's just.

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Speaker 3: Were not good and there are a there is a

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Speaker 3: huge list things. Then you watched the run game tape,

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Speaker 3: and it's pretty rare when we actually everybody does what

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Speaker 3: they're supposed to do upfront and it takes all eleven,

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Speaker 3: you know, in the run game, or at least all

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Speaker 3: Our tackles were getting absolutely overwhelmed by their defense. You know,

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Speaker 3: it was six sacks we Jalen Ramsey. Jalen Ramsey I

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Speaker 3: think had played one hundred and thirty nine games prior

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Speaker 3: to this one.

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Speaker 2: I think I have this right. One hundred and thirty

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Speaker 2: nine games prior to this game. Very good player. That's

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Speaker 2: not the point.

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Speaker 3: Yes, he had played one hundred and thirty nine games

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Speaker 3: prior to this game. Do you know how many sacks

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Speaker 3: he had in his entire career prior to this game,

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Speaker 3: in one hundred and thirty nine games. I'm gonna go

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Speaker 3: at three five, three exactly three, and he had two

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Speaker 2: I mean that was only because you set it up

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Speaker 3: You know, Tenny joked in the post game, he said,

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Speaker 3: you know, in a game in which TJ. Watt and

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Speaker 3: Miles Garrett were on the field, I had two sacks.

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Speaker 3: They combined for a half a sec.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, and there's just as it stands, there's there's nothing

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Speaker 2: to fear because A we're not taking shots. B. When

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Speaker 2: we do, they're not working, and so there's nothing beyond

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Speaker 2: fifteen yards for you even really to worry about. Play

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Speaker 2: the whole game in the red zone. I said this

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Speaker 3: It's like we're playing the entire game in the red zone,

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Speaker 3: and something's got to give, Something has got to give.

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Speaker 3: We ran for three point eight yards care We only

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Speaker 2: They should have had another one should the other one.

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Speaker 3: I thought all things considered, Tyson Campbell slipped on that.

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Speaker 2: Why is that? I don't know.

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Speaker 3: Basically, they played the on They played like high school game.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't understand how that's possible.

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Speaker 5: So Girond said the field looked like crap, but he

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's wild. Like this time early October, no pit

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Speaker 5: And they had been doing high school football and there on.

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Speaker 5: They don't seem to have a problem with it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't I thought he appointed himself quite well.

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Speaker 2: played Monday night. Yes, played Monday night against for Jacksonville

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Speaker 2: against Kansas City Flies. Here what Wednesday night? Yeah, trades

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Speaker 2: Wednesday night or no Flies. Thursday practices at noon and

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Speaker 5: It's a light landed late morning, had to go do

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a lot. And so I think you know

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Speaker 2: which is how can you create culture amidst losing? How

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Speaker 2: I mean this is all You're one in five now,

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Speaker 2: for this thing to just really really get out of control. Yes, no,

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Speaker 2: This is he scored twenty seven yesterday against the Didn't

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Had them pretty much beat Yeah, justin Herbert pulled off

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Speaker 2: Absolutely. It's just.

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Speaker 3: It's disappointing and it feels like it is a difficult

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Speaker 2: What's going on out here.

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Speaker 3: I mean this is there's a lot, a lot of

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Speaker 3: I have an idea. Could be it could be are

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Speaker 3: they going to summon them for a walkthrough and a serenade?

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Speaker 2: I mean it feels like it. I'm kind of sad

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Speaker 2: Yes, we know.

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Speaker 3: It's been documented as well as programmed, well documented.

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Speaker 2: Is this a serenade? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Guys running a business.

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Speaker 3: There's a pause, and then the guys guys running business

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Speaker 5: I think we just want a piece of cake. Man,

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Speaker 2: I think we're gonna go to the nachos. Give I

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Speaker 5: I almost I took a pic. I just didn't send you.

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Speaker 5: I didn't think yesterday was the appropriate time to do that.

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Speaker 2: So here's what the nachos are. Okay, they deliver.

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Speaker 3: They open a bag of tostitos, gold rounds.

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Speaker 2: Great, it's a great ship, it's a great chip in there.

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Speaker 2: To look at him.

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Speaker 7: Holy, a little bit more something something in the Oh man,

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Speaker 3: The words of inspiration press So you get that. Then

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Speaker 2: Somewhere like the case, just a yellow cheese.

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Speaker 3: There's some fresh cut Hallo pens, which is the nicest

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Speaker 2: And you know, you get it.

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Speaker 5: There is There is a luminary in the TV industry

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Speaker 2: Uh huh and luminary eat it.

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Speaker 5: we're not going down that road. There's there was some

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Speaker 2: It's a full notcho bar on my plate? Hey, what

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Speaker 3: No, I went and got chips and salsa and I

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Speaker 4: Had it?

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Speaker 2: Of course you had it?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, not having nachos, just just for the record, probably

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Speaker 5: the best thing on their food spread the entire day.

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Speaker 2: The beef wasn't bad, dude. They had like a prime

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Speaker 2: rib carving station.

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Speaker 3: This guy did something that I've never seen in my life,

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Speaker 3: and I hope I never see it again. So they

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Speaker 3: bring out a prime I believe this long okay, so

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Speaker 3: probably like a five big, maybe a six boner.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, prime rib this dude. So it's again, so the.

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Speaker 3: Man talking about the guy running the prime rib board,

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Speaker 3: so like, if this is if my phone is the

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Speaker 3: prime rib roast, this is the direction watching on the YouTube, Like, yeah,

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Speaker 3: he gets the thing and cleaves it right down the middle,

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Speaker 3: right out of the gate and has him take half

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Speaker 3: of it away and then he starts cutting these little

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Speaker 3: half I'm like, brother, what what are you?

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Speaker 5: And I sat there and just stood off to the

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Speaker 5: side like what in the bloody hell or I was.

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Speaker 2: Dude, never see anything like it my entire life.

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Speaker 5: I never remember the word pittspuke. And it all made sense.

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Speaker 2: It's a big waste of meat, is what it is. Well,

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Speaker 2: and you're cutting it an absurd way to cut it.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't even make sense. No, I've never seen I know,

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: And if you think about from a ribby standpoint, now

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Speaker 3: you're cutting like you quite slice it this way and

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Speaker 3: then you get some cap, you get the yeah, the

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Speaker 3: whole hole.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's just what it's supposed to look like.

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Speaker 3: He cuts it this way so like I don't even

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Speaker 3: know half of it would be I guess cap with

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Speaker 3: a little inside, and he took that away, which, by

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Speaker 3: the way, a lot of people might say that's part.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was. It was stupefying, dude, that ain't it.

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Speaker 2: That ain't it at all. We should give some some

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Speaker 2: flowers to Andre Schmidt, who is uh three of three

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Speaker 2: on field goals thirty one to thirty two and a

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Speaker 2: fifty three yarder. He's been great. After the first week,

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Speaker 2: you never know with guys at that position, and he's

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Speaker 2: been really reliable, so good job out of him. That's good.

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Speaker 3: It's good that we seem, you know, we got a

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Speaker 3: little bit of somewhat of an answer there, and that's

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Speaker 3: fantastic and we'll hopefully to get.

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Speaker 2: More of it, you know. Yeah, those are your hot

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Speaker 2: your head coach Kevin Stefanski, don't.

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Speaker 8: Really have any injury updates based on what we talked

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Speaker 8: about last night. Obviously, you know, watch the tape this

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Speaker 8: morning and watch it now with the players and a

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Speaker 8: ton of areas that we just need to be better

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Speaker 8: and and need to be better in all aspects offense, defense,

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Speaker 8: special teams, players, coaches, you name it.

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Speaker 4: We have to be better. That'll be our focus.

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Speaker 8: So we'll focus on moving forward so we can go

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Speaker 8: play as a football team and find a way to

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Speaker 8: win and obviously got a big one this week with

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Speaker 8: Miami coming to town. That'll be our sole focus today

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Speaker 8: is that. I'll take any questions.

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Speaker 9: Hey, Kevin, does it feel like just nothing is coming

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Speaker 9: easy on offense?

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Speaker 10: You know what I mean?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I do know what you mean. But we have

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Speaker 4: to do it. Scott.

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Speaker 8: It's a matter of coaches putting guys in position to

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Speaker 8: make plays, Guys making plays when they're putting positions doing

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Speaker 8: their job.

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Speaker 4: Don't expect anything to come easy. That's not the name

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Speaker 4: of the game in this sport. But we'll just keep

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Speaker 4: grinding on it.

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Speaker 9: And in search of fixing things or a spark. You

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Speaker 9: asked about play calling yesterday. Have you made a decision there.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm gonna keep calling plays, but I want to

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Speaker 8: stress that this is UH. We have to get better

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Speaker 8: in so many areas, and that includes coaching, That includes

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Speaker 8: our how we teach our guys, how we put them

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Speaker 8: in different formations, the ways you run the ball, ways

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Speaker 8: you pass the ball, all the above.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, Kevin, I mean, arguaboy in the in the first

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Speaker 11: few games he's played, quench On Judkins has been your

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Speaker 11: best threat and passing game as well as you know

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Speaker 11: in UH, in the running game obviously, can you explain

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Speaker 11: why I only touch the ball twelve times, especially none

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Speaker 11: of the passing game.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, obviously that game, if you look at the fourth quarter,

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Speaker 8: the number of plays that we had in that game,

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Speaker 8: being down three scores precluded us from running it, you know,

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Speaker 8: our normal based down offense. Fred, but he's obviously a

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Speaker 8: key part of our offense.

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Speaker 11: And what about you know, first and goal on the

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Speaker 11: three their way, he didn't touch the ball.

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Speaker 4: I mean, is that?

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Speaker 11: I mean, is there any reason for that?

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Speaker 8: No, we need to be better whether we throw it

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Speaker 8: or pass it there in those situations, we have to

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Speaker 8: have to be better.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, Kevin, I know you said you didn't have any

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Speaker 12: injury updates per se specific. But but Jack and Cam,

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Speaker 12: those are your where you two starting tackles. Do you

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Speaker 12: feel confident that you might have one or both of

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Speaker 12: them or or is I mean, what sort of how.

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Speaker 4: Do you sort of approach it when there is sort of.

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Speaker 12: That that much uncertainty about both those spots.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, with both guys that are obviously dealing with different injuries,

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Speaker 8: if you will.

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Speaker 4: So it's it's Monday.

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Speaker 8: I think we need to get through the next couple

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Speaker 8: of days before we can really answer that. And it's

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Speaker 8: it's like anything else, there's uncertainty, but that's that's part.

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Speaker 4: Of the game.

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Speaker 12: And another question about the penalties the last couple of

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Speaker 12: weeks have been what what what can you do during

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Speaker 12: the course of the week, I mean to to alleviate

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Speaker 12: that to to I know you're not coaching penalties, but

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Speaker 12: at the same time, you know, how do you how

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Speaker 12: do you fix that that specific area.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, we focus very hard on those avoidable penalties, which

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Speaker 8: are the pre snap penalties. Obviously we had an illegal

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Speaker 8: formation there in the game. We have to be better

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Speaker 8: in those areas, and then you have to play with

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Speaker 8: clean technique. That's that's always going to be a part

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Speaker 8: of this as well. Understanding that your your hand placement,

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Speaker 8: how you you know, how you do your job is

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Speaker 8: very important.

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Speaker 13: Okay, I know the score got out of hand in

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Speaker 13: the fourth quarter, but even in the first half, you

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Speaker 13: were throwing the ball much more than you were running

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Speaker 13: the ball. And given that was his second career started

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Speaker 13: in a place that's very difficult to play, would you

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Speaker 13: redo the game plan on second thought, because it seemed

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Speaker 13: like you were still in the game ninety three and

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Speaker 13: you were throwing a lot.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I would tell you every game is its own

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Speaker 8: thing Tony, where you're trying to take advantage of the

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Speaker 8: looks that the defense is giving you. I don't think

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Speaker 8: it's any secret that Quinn Shawn's a big part of

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Speaker 8: our offense will always be a big part of our offense.

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Speaker 8: But so much of it is based on what's going

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Speaker 8: on in that particular game.

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Speaker 13: And it looked like Aaron Rodgers played a large part

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Speaker 13: of the game behind a sixth offensive lineman, and you

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Speaker 13: did some of that. But do you think you just

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Speaker 13: need to do more jumbo just to stabilize things on offense?

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Speaker 8: I think you know, we did a decent amount of

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Speaker 8: it yesterday, Tony. Again, I think it's based on sometimes

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Speaker 8: health and you know what the bodies are that you

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Speaker 8: can use in those areas. But that's a really game

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Speaker 8: plan specific.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, Kevin, in a situation like this, of course, everybody's

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Speaker 14: going to look to the quarterback after you know, only

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Speaker 14: nine points are scored and how the quarterback did. Can

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Speaker 14: you just address and especially because of your situation with

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Speaker 14: Shador and so many people clamoring for him and wanting

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Speaker 14: to see him, do you have thoughts on how the

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Speaker 14: offensive problems are run much deeper right now than quarterback

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Speaker 14: and that switching out the quarterback might not solve what

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Speaker 14: you have going on here.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 8: I think just the big focus for us, Mary Kay

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Speaker 8: is we have to be better in all areas, players, coaches,

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Speaker 8: you name it. Obviously, you know Dylan is in his

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Speaker 8: second start, some good things to build off of. He's

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Speaker 8: learning just like all young players are learning for us

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Speaker 8: right now, and we'll continue to try to get him

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Speaker 8: to make those improvements that young players make and also

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Speaker 8: play better around.

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Speaker 4: That's our focus.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, Kevin, wanted to ask you about the downfield passing again,

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Speaker 15: as far as you know, explosive plays go. Do you

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Speaker 15: feel like with two starts under Dylan's belt here, that

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Speaker 15: it's going to be easier for you or more comfortable

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Speaker 15: for you to take some shots down the field and

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Speaker 15: try and open up this offense.

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Speaker 8: Well, I think, certainly, Darryl, we have to find ways

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Speaker 8: to be explosive on offense, and that can come via

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Speaker 8: the run or the pass. And you know, explosive pass

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Speaker 8: can happen in a variety of different ways. But it

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Speaker 8: really comes down to our ability as an offense to

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Speaker 8: you know, put those guys in position, protect the quarterback,

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Speaker 8: and then when those opportunities come, we've got to let

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Speaker 8: it rip. But I think that can come in a

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Speaker 8: variety of ways.

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Speaker 15: And then Mike Tomlin had some comments today landed on

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Speaker 15: social media in which he basically said he doesn't understand

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Speaker 15: why the Browns trade their opening day starter in Joe

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Speaker 15: Flacco to a division rival in the Bengals, and just

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Speaker 15: how surprised by that move going into the Steelers game.

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Speaker 15: He was just you know, your thoughts on what he

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Speaker 15: had to say about that, and you know the fact

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Speaker 15: that he was so taken aback, just like you acknowledged

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Speaker 15: last week, you were a little surprised as well and

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Speaker 15: not anticipating that you guys would trade Joe this season.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. I don't have a.

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Speaker 6: Comment on that, Darrel Kevin, just for him coming in

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Speaker 6: for a couple practices and everything. How did you think

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Speaker 6: Tyson Campbell did?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I thought he battled.

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Speaker 8: Obviously there's some place he wants back, but I thought,

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Speaker 8: you know, with the circumstances and him out there competing,

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Speaker 8: I thought there were some really good moments and things

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Speaker 8: that we will certainly clean up with him.

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Speaker 6: And then just in terms of you and the play calling,

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Speaker 6: what would be the decision or maybe the point where

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Speaker 6: he would decide to give it up.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I think for us, the focus is on being

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Speaker 8: better as an offense, Joe, and that goes into a

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Speaker 8: bunch of different areas. And I know I can be

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Speaker 8: better for this football team. I know I can certainly

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Speaker 8: be better for this offense. But our focus is on

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Speaker 8: making sure that we all do our part in getting

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Speaker 8: this thing going than Van.

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Speaker 16: You know, in the past couple of weeks, you talked

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Speaker 16: about how important your player's development is, especially at the

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Speaker 16: quarterback position, and you've also acknowledged that the issues with

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Speaker 16: the offense don't so lie with the quarterback.

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Speaker 4: Now, I know Joe has gone, so it's a bit

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Speaker 4: of a new point.

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Speaker 16: But what about this infrastructure in the offense led you

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Speaker 16: to believe that, you know, putting in a rookie quarterback

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Speaker 16: will lead to success and you know positive development and

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Speaker 16: growth in that player.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, we trust our guys, Daniel, that are out there

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Speaker 8: across the board.

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Speaker 4: We just have to all be better that that'll be

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Speaker 4: our focus.

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Speaker 17: And then I know you're focused on cleaning those things up,

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Speaker 17: being better as a team. When you look at the

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Speaker 17: makeup of this team, of your coaching staff across the board,

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Speaker 17: what is it about this team that gives you the

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Speaker 17: confidence that you will be able to successfully clean things

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Speaker 17: up to be better each week.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 8: I believe in the people we have, cam, I believe

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Speaker 8: in the coaches, I believe in the players.

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Speaker 4: I also believe we have a ton of room to improve.

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Speaker 4: Don't none of us love where we are, your record,

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Speaker 4: all those things, But we own it. We have to

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Speaker 4: own it. We have to.

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Speaker 8: I can acknowledge that that don't feel good about it,

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Speaker 8: but that's who we are and all we can do

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Speaker 8: is effect that moving forward. We can't really can't really

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Speaker 8: worry about what's in the past.

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Speaker 17: Joel Atonio last night said that you know, he sees

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Speaker 17: when things are working, the potential the vision. Quinch On

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Speaker 17: said that too, but Joel said, every game with the

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Speaker 17: offensive struggling, there's like ten to fifteen plays where there's

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Speaker 17: a miss block or penalty. Is that a shared belief

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Speaker 17: that those things can directly lead to what you're looking

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Speaker 17: to achieve?

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Speaker 4: Obviously, you know the goal.

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Speaker 8: Offensively is to contribute to score points to help this

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Speaker 8: football team. We got to focus on all all the

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Speaker 8: little things that go about that. But it doesn't get

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Speaker 8: too far away from just simply doing your job, doing

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Speaker 8: what's asked of you.

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Speaker 4: And I'm talking to all of us players, coaches you.

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Speaker 18: Need Yeah, sorry about that. Mike can't walked across my keyboard.

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Speaker 4: I'm very believable, Jeffy, so Kevin.

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Speaker 18: My question is, after every one of these you say, well,

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Speaker 18: we have to fix it. How do you do that

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Speaker 18: with so many inexperienced receivers after Jerry Judy.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I understand the question, Jeff, but I trust the

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Speaker 8: guys we have and when I say fix it, we

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Speaker 8: just have.

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Speaker 4: To perform better.

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Speaker 8: And that's that's how we teach it, how we coach it,

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Speaker 8: getting it out of our players throughout the week so

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Speaker 8: they feel confident doing it on Sunday. It's it's a

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Speaker 8: it's pretty simple. We got to just do our job,

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Speaker 8: play hard, play smart.

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Speaker 18: But do you see improvements? It doesn't look like it

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Speaker 18: from the outside. There's things you see that you are progressing,

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Speaker 18: even though it might not show up on the scoreboard.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, obviously we wanted to show up on the scoreboard.

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Speaker 8: That's where the true improvement will come. But we will

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Speaker 8: just focus on what we can control with all of

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Speaker 8: our players, young or old, and that's making sure we

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Speaker 8: utilize this week to find ways to improve.

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Speaker 14: Kevin, you always talk about the precision in the passing

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Speaker 14: game and how vitally important that is for you guys,

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Speaker 14: and I know it's a two way street between where

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Speaker 14: the receivers are on their routes and all those kinds

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Speaker 14: of things. But particularly as I was looking, you know,

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Speaker 14: at red zone passes, and it just seemed like there

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Speaker 14: were drops, tips, knockaways, dropped interceptions. It just seemed like

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Speaker 14: the you know, once you guys got around down into

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Speaker 14: the red zone and trying to throw into the goal line,

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Speaker 14: that I'm thinking specific of like the wide one to

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Speaker 14: Jerry Judy, is that because Dylan was under so much

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Speaker 14: dress in those types of situations or is he having

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Speaker 14: an accuracy issue per se, you know in the red

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Speaker 14: zone or you know, end zone type of throws And

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Speaker 14: if so, what can you do about that?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 8: I think the red zone obviously, Mary Kay, you go

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Speaker 8: for three, you're making life hard on yourself and you

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Speaker 8: have to come away with touchdowns there. Obviously ran out

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Speaker 8: of you know, ran out of time so to speak

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Speaker 8: there on the at the end of the first half,

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Speaker 8: so the ball had to be end zone or out

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Speaker 8: of bounds. That limits you in what you can do,

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Speaker 8: of course, and then a couple of times down there

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Speaker 8: later in the third and fourth quarter. We have to execute,

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Speaker 8: we have to do and that's I'm talking quarterback, running back,

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Speaker 8: wide receiver, you name it. We all have to be

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Speaker 8: at our best in those moments when the field shrinks.

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Speaker 8: We had too many mistakes there that that are going

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Speaker 8: to hold you back. And that's a little bit of

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Speaker 8: what I meant before, where we have to be better

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Speaker 8: as coaches, we have to be better as players so

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Speaker 8: that we can make sure we're all just doing our

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Speaker 8: job in those moments.

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Speaker 14: So you feel like you saw enough from Dylan throughout

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Speaker 14: the football game that those things will be correctable for him,

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Speaker 14: and that moving forward with him and just getting some

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Speaker 14: of those things taken care of will do the trick.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 8: Again, you know, the quarterback position gets a lot of

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Speaker 8: scrutiny and we understand that, but we collective we have

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Speaker 8: to be better. There are things that we're doing that

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Speaker 8: that are good things that we have to build off of,

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Speaker 8: and there's things that we have to get better at.

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Speaker 4: But it's never going to be about one person.

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Speaker 9: Hey, Kevin, do you understand and how do you handle

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Speaker 9: the frustration of Miles and some of the other defensive

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Speaker 9: guys with the offense not supporting the defense.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, we all share in the frustration Scott when you

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Speaker 8: don't come away with the results that you work really

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Speaker 8: hard for. That's obvious. It's the greatest team game there is.

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Speaker 8: We all need each other players, coaches, offense, defense, special teams.

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Speaker 8: We need each other to go perform it and find

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Speaker 8: a way to win. That's how it goes.

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Speaker 9: Has there been a conversation, they're like, hang with us,

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Speaker 9: you know, try to stay up and you know, I

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Speaker 9: know that they know you're trying hard, but when Miles

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Speaker 9: expresses that frustration, it feels like it's getting him.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, losing is not fun for anybody. Scott, I think

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Speaker 8: there's there's natural frustration that comes with that, and that's

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Speaker 8: us as a football team.

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Speaker 4: We own it.

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Speaker 8: We can't hide from that. You have to acknowledge where

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Speaker 8: we are. Having said that, all that matters is what

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Speaker 8: we do moving forward.

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Speaker 13: Two questions about looking for the ball. Did Isaiah Bond

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Speaker 13: have an explanation as to what the heck was going

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Speaker 13: on at the goal line when the ball hit him

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Speaker 13: in the helmet?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, obviously miscommunication there and again that's that's our job

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Speaker 8: to get it cleaned up.

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Speaker 13: And Tyson Campbell also had a great coverage, but not

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Speaker 13: looking at the ball is is that obviously a coaching

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Speaker 13: point this week? But is that in his past in

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Speaker 13: the Scott and report?

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Speaker 4: Do you see that? Yeah? I think that's you know,

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Speaker 4: obviously we're now getting Tyson. We'll coach them up.

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Speaker 8: He's in great position, not as a matter of making

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Speaker 8: a couple of those plays, but really pleased with with

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Speaker 8: where he is and he will only get better with Jim,

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Speaker 8: with Brandon Lynch, with our coaches as we get them

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Speaker 8: playing in the scheme.

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Speaker 2: Cleveland Browns. A busy Monday around the league. The Titans

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Speaker 2: have fired their head coach Brian Callahan. This is cam

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Speaker 2: Ward's rookie year. They just had one last week in

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Speaker 2: pretty miraculous fashion at Arizona. This week though they were

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Speaker 2: out in Vegas and lost. What do you make of

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Speaker 2: that firing?

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Speaker 3: There are kind of been rumblings about it, so I

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Speaker 3: guess I'm not that surprised. They have struggled. You know,

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Speaker 3: they're four to nineteen, their young quarterback. I think it

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Speaker 3: doesn't look like whatever they're trying to do with cam

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Speaker 3: Ward is working right now, and I think that's probably

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Speaker 3: the goal, is to try to figure it out.

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Speaker 2: I just think when you.

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Speaker 3: They thought about it last year after year one, if

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Speaker 3: you're going to do that, you got to get somebody

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Speaker 3: that you think is exactly perfect for that quarterback, And

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Speaker 3: now maybe they did. Brian Callahan had come where he

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Speaker 3: was offensive coordinator with since with Cincinnati.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I'm not surprised because I know from talking to my

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Speaker 3: good friend in one time former adversary, Jeff Jarrett, who's

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Speaker 3: we talked football a time now, that it has been

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Speaker 3: a revolt in that city against the organization.

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Speaker 2: And so I think they felt.

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Speaker 3: Maybe they had to do something there to get it

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Speaker 3: to get it turned around.

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Speaker 2: Isn't Rabes there this week? Is there this week?

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Speaker 4: Yes?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So that's not great with him coming to town either.

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Speaker 2: That's that's a tough.

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Speaker 10: Look.

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Speaker 2: Here's the thing I don't understand. This is now, Lawrence Young,

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Speaker 2: Williams Ward four quarterbacks who are taking number one overall,

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Speaker 2: all of their head coaches have been fired in season.

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Speaker 2: If you're gonna draft a quarterback at one, at two,

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Speaker 2: at three, at four, if you do not absolutely know

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Speaker 2: that your head coach is on board with that quarterback

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Speaker 2: and that that whatever system he's running will work for

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Speaker 2: that quarterback, then you move off the head coach. It's

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Speaker 2: too big, it's too important of a decision. Every single

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Speaker 2: one of these guys starts to their career has been

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Speaker 2: retarded by the fact that they've had to fire coaches

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Speaker 2: and learn multiple systems. Caleb Williams is going to play

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Speaker 2: tonight in Washington. It looks like he turned the corner

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Speaker 2: a little bit, but it damn near broke him. Almost

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Speaker 2: broke Trevor year one with and I don't know if

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Speaker 2: he still is all the way to what I think

879
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:56,279
Speaker 2: he was capable of, but with what happened with Urban

880
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 2: and year one there and then the other thing. And

881
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:00,759
Speaker 2: this is probably most similar to the Bryce Young, the

882
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 2: Cam word Bryce Young comparison. If you draft a quarterback

883
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:06,839
Speaker 2: number one, you have to have some weaponry, you have

884
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 2: to be able to protect them. And Bryce Young finally

885
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 2: has weaponry. And they're having some success because they got

886
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:15,359
Speaker 2: McMillan at Arizona, who we loved in the process big time.

887
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:18,840
Speaker 2: Weapony had two touchdowns yesterday, So finally they're showing some

888
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:21,240
Speaker 2: cop That was a big win for them yesterday, beating Dallas,

889
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:25,360
Speaker 2: beating freak. They got him off the scrap heap and

890
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 2: he's playing out of his mind. Almost four hundred yards

891
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:27,719
Speaker 2: the last two week.

892
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:30,319
Speaker 3: Thousand yards last year for Dallas. What was and Dallas

893
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:32,359
Speaker 3: let him go. Now they brought Javonte Williams. Has been

894
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:32,719
Speaker 3: very good.

895
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:36,879
Speaker 2: He has, but like, yeah, strange. So it's just there

896
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 2: is so much to development of the quarterback position. Some

897
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:42,960
Speaker 2: of it is on them and their individual talent, so

898
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:45,160
Speaker 2: much of it is on the coaching staff seeing eye

899
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 2: to eye to what the quarterback can do well. It's

900
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 2: organizational support in terms of the talent around is your

901
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:53,400
Speaker 2: offensive line in order to have weapons like all of

902
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:55,719
Speaker 2: those things, and if you have any doubt in any

903
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 2: of it, just pull the trigger before it happens.

904
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 3: We'll go back to twenty eighteen with the rounds. Yeah,

905
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 3: with six happens with him middle of the season. So

906
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:09,400
Speaker 3: if you remember with Bake here, it was Hugh with Haley,

907
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:14,120
Speaker 3: then it was Freddy, and then it was Kevin in

908
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 3: twenty twenty, so he had his first three years in

909
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:20,360
Speaker 3: the league three different offensive systems. Sam Darnold with the

910
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:23,880
Speaker 3: Jets now Todd Bowles finished out his rookie season, but

911
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 3: then next year it's a new coach and they've got

912
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:28,080
Speaker 3: to go and get you know, he's got to kind

913
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:28,600
Speaker 3: of start.

914
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:29,839
Speaker 2: All over again there as well.

915
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 3: And those are two guys that now seem to have

916
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:36,280
Speaker 3: settled in and looked pretty darn good, right, I mean.

917
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:38,319
Speaker 2: Really good.

918
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 3: So there is definitely something to it. Continuity for continuity's

919
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:44,360
Speaker 3: sake is not good. But at the same time, you

920
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 3: I think you're exactly right. You met Chicago obviously with

921
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 3: eber Flus, you've got to have the guy that you

922
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:55,000
Speaker 3: want there to be exactly what you want it to be.

923
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 3: Like that, just to me makes all the sense in

924
00:44:57,200 --> 00:45:02,400
Speaker 3: the world. So if you remember, so Sam Donald goes bowls,

925
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:05,400
Speaker 3: then they bring in Adam Gase, who was you know,

926
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 3: supposedly QB whisper QB whisper. He goes seven and six

927
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 3: of the starter. It's Gase again. The next year, Donald

928
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:17,080
Speaker 3: goes two to ten, and then in twenty twenty one

929
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:20,799
Speaker 3: it's Sala's first year and Donald's gone.

930
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 2: He's gone. And then Carolina got rid of both of them.

931
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 2: Caroline Adam had them both.

932
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:28,239
Speaker 3: In twenty twenty two cut them both, yes, and twenty

933
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 3: twy two they ad them both.

934
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 2: Yeah. And if you're watching the Late Afternoon Window yesterday

935
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:34,800
Speaker 2: and you're seeing Sam Donald throw rainbows to Jackson Smith

936
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:37,840
Speaker 2: and Jigba, and you go, well, that looks pretty good.

937
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:39,839
Speaker 2: And you see Bake make the throw to a six

938
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 2: round and you go, well that looks pretty good. But

939
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:44,239
Speaker 2: there's a million factors that lead to this, Yes, that

940
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:47,520
Speaker 2: lead to the that lead to bringing a quarterback along.

941
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:51,759
Speaker 2: And I don't care how good a quarterback is. There's

942
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 2: only so much they can overcome. Yep, you have to

943
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 2: put them in position. You have to have everybody organizationally

944
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:03,799
Speaker 2: on the same page. And so now for cam you know,

945
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:05,920
Speaker 2: obviously they're they're bad again. They're going to make the

946
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 2: coach and change and then they'll have another quarterback in

947
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 2: their neck, another head coach in there next year, and

948
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:12,279
Speaker 2: that coach has got to be the only chance that

949
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:15,040
Speaker 2: cam Ward has to survive. This is if the next

950
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:17,759
Speaker 2: coaching hire, it's got to be perfect. It's got to

951
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:21,279
Speaker 2: be yep, that's it, and that's going to be it.

952
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:24,319
Speaker 2: And so that's that's the challenge of all of these

953
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:25,759
Speaker 2: things is just figuring all aver.

954
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:27,759
Speaker 5: Right here, here's my question for you.

955
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 2: Hello Gibbon Hi by the way, Yeah, Eddie, I mean

956
00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 2: that's pretty cool, Zumba. How cool was that they're twenty

957
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 2: one right? Yeah?

958
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:38,920
Speaker 5: Twenty one nothing?

959
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 2: Twenty one nothing to Toledo, the rivalry game, the B game,

960
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:45,600
Speaker 2: and his first year at BG.

961
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:50,840
Speaker 5: Sold out, the sold out, the det like twenty five thousand.

962
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 5: That's great, well done by the student body and by

963
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:56,879
Speaker 5: the university. He's great, Eddie. With a big comeback win.

964
00:46:57,160 --> 00:46:59,880
Speaker 5: They needed that. They've they've had trouble scoring points, but

965
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 5: they got into the twenties.

966
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's a moment for him. Now, yeah, there

967
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:05,480
Speaker 2: you go go ahead.

968
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:09,239
Speaker 5: No, huge win, huge win for them, you know. And

969
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:12,680
Speaker 5: that's now the question is like, if he really turns

970
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:14,239
Speaker 5: it around, how long will he be there?

971
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 2: Oh, he won't be there long if he's if he

972
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:21,600
Speaker 2: has an ambition to start upward mobility. Yeah correct. Yeah,

973
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:24,880
Speaker 2: so you were saying before he interrupted you with the

974
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 2: the BG.

975
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:29,719
Speaker 5: You have to start one this weekend. Yeah, you're starting

976
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 5: Drake May, Danny Dimes or Sam Donald. Sam Donald's numbers

977
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 5: are pretty I had no idea how well he was

978
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:44,279
Speaker 5: playing this year. He is, Like I knew he was

979
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 5: playing well, but.

980
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:48,600
Speaker 2: This is now he's into his second year of this.

981
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:51,439
Speaker 2: Like he just great last year in Minnesota and now

982
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:55,799
Speaker 2: he's great here. And yeah, he is so comfortable. And

983
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:57,960
Speaker 2: I remember they got rid of Metcalf and you're like, well, boy,

984
00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:01,920
Speaker 2: why wouldn't you want Metcalf and Jackson Smith Jigba. They're fine,

985
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 2: they're fine. They're a really good football team. Their coach, Yeah, coach,

986
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:07,960
Speaker 2: he's doing a great job.

987
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:12,400
Speaker 3: Total Total Quarterback EPA through Week six Sunday Night Football.

988
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 3: So through last night's game in the NFL, who are

989
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:16,800
Speaker 3: the quarterbacks you gave us.

990
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:22,120
Speaker 5: May yep, Danny Dimes yep, Sam Donald okay.

991
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:26,919
Speaker 3: Number two is Drake May plus seventy four point four.

992
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:30,239
Speaker 3: Number three is Sam Darnold plus sixty four point nine.

993
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:34,200
Speaker 3: Number four is Danny Dimes plus fifty seven point eight.

994
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 2: Rounding out the.

995
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 3: Top ten are Jared Goff, Jordan Love, Baker, Mayfield, Matt Stafford,

996
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:42,880
Speaker 3: Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes, who is number one, goth one

997
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:47,760
Speaker 3: No GoF is five Goes May, Donald, Jones, goth Love, Mayfield, Stafford,

998
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:51,439
Speaker 3: Allen Mahomes. That's ten eleven, Jacks Lamar Jackson twelve, Aaron

999
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:56,560
Speaker 3: Rodgers is one. Number one is Dak Prescott seventy six.

1000
00:48:56,880 --> 00:49:00,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah they don't. I mean what he has to

1001
00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 2: score thirty every week and he does without Seedy Lamb

1002
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:04,760
Speaker 2: by the way, Yeah.

1003
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:10,360
Speaker 3: Last forty first is cam Ward negative fifty six point nine.

1004
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:11,800
Speaker 2: It's tough watch.

1005
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 3: I mean, that's pretty bad because you know, Gino throws

1006
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:20,320
Speaker 3: it to the other team constantly. Geno Smith is negative

1007
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:26,359
Speaker 3: eight point two of the like Jackson darts negative, Bryce

1008
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:29,279
Speaker 3: Young's negative, Geno Smith negative, Gate Dylan is negative nine

1009
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:31,600
Speaker 3: point seven. Justin Fields Nagave twelve point five. Cooper Rush

1010
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:33,759
Speaker 3: native eighteen point eight. JJ McCarthy, you need this on

1011
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:36,160
Speaker 3: a couple of games negative twenty two point six, Jake

1012
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:39,319
Speaker 3: Browning never twenty eight point eight, Joe Flacco native forty

1013
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:41,800
Speaker 3: seven point three, Kim Ward negative fifty six point nine.

1014
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:42,920
Speaker 5: There you go.

1015
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:46,480
Speaker 2: You gotta answer your question. I gotta win one game

1016
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:48,840
Speaker 2: with one of those three Sunday this Sunday going with

1017
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:51,000
Speaker 2: Sam Darnald. I think I would too, That was where

1018
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 2: I was leading to. But if you goat Donald May Jones,

1019
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:57,879
Speaker 2: if you wait four weeks and Drake May keeps doing this,

1020
00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:01,120
Speaker 2: then he is Yeah, he is a study. He has

1021
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:04,200
Speaker 2: a stud. He's an absolute stud. That that draft is

1022
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:07,560
Speaker 2: looking pretty pretty good right now because Caleb got it

1023
00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:10,719
Speaker 2: turned around and now that he's been stabilized and all

1024
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:13,320
Speaker 2: of that. Jaden was unbelievable last year, banged up a

1025
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:15,120
Speaker 2: little bit this year, but they played each other tonight.

1026
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:17,560
Speaker 2: That's a fun game, by the way. And then what

1027
00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 2: Drake May is doing, they don't have a whole lot

1028
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:22,680
Speaker 2: of weapons like he rejuvenated digs.

1029
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:25,040
Speaker 5: You know, yeah, I'm not looking forward to that in

1030
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:25,600
Speaker 5: two weeks.

1031
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:28,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, he just it's pretty crazy how how

1032
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:29,960
Speaker 2: he got it flipped. They look great, by the way,

1033
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:31,719
Speaker 2: in the all whites. I've never seen the Patriots do

1034
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:34,239
Speaker 2: that before with white tops, white pants. There's a really

1035
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:37,480
Speaker 2: strong look for them down there. Yep, yeah, no, but

1036
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 2: all those Yeah, there's something you know that's you know

1037
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:45,640
Speaker 2: with with Danny Dimes and Darnald and Bake like among others,

1038
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 2: but like those three are the kind of the top

1039
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:52,120
Speaker 2: of mind. There's a quarterback reclamation thing that's happening. Where

1040
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:55,560
Speaker 2: how did this happen? Where all? I mean, we know

1041
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:58,000
Speaker 2: how it happened here because we lived it, But like,

1042
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:00,920
Speaker 2: how does how does a tea like Carolina had two

1043
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:03,439
Speaker 2: of those guys on their roster? Anybody in the league

1044
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:05,319
Speaker 2: could have had Danny Dimes last year, right, because didn't

1045
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:07,320
Speaker 2: well practice, didn't he practice squad?

1046
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:07,840
Speaker 4: No?

1047
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:10,840
Speaker 2: During the season. Was he on the Vikings practice squad? Yes,

1048
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:12,000
Speaker 2: I think he was.

1049
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:14,640
Speaker 5: He was. They picked him up after he got cut.

1050
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:17,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he was on the Vikings after the season.

1051
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:20,319
Speaker 2: Anybody could have had him. But last year, after he

1052
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:22,000
Speaker 2: was cut by the Giants, I think he went to

1053
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:25,840
Speaker 2: Minnesota's practice school. He was all right, I think so

1054
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:28,480
Speaker 2: he spent some time.

1055
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:31,160
Speaker 3: He was signed to the practice squa on late November

1056
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:38,080
Speaker 3: and was added to the active roster on January seventh. Yeah,

1057
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:41,520
Speaker 3: but even in that case, yes, anybody could have had him,

1058
00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:42,719
Speaker 3: but he you wouldn't have had it.

1059
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:43,759
Speaker 2: He'd be a free agent at the end of the

1060
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:46,440
Speaker 2: year anyway. But you could have had Anyone in the

1061
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:48,880
Speaker 2: league could have had him, Yes, like that's and anybody

1062
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:51,719
Speaker 2: in the league could have had Darnald or Baker. Now anybody.

1063
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:55,359
Speaker 3: Here's the thing, Danny Dimes and you heard it on

1064
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 3: this program. We were very interested in him, but he

1065
00:51:58,040 --> 00:51:59,920
Speaker 3: got priced out, so there was obviously more of a

1066
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:03,840
Speaker 3: market for him after Yeah, the season.

1067
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:09,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I should tell you that you listened wk N

1068
00:52:09,239 --> 00:52:11,799
Speaker 2: R eight fifty ESPN Cleveland, a Goodkarma brand station.

1069
00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 3: He is still he's still pretty darn good. Now, you

1070
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:16,680
Speaker 3: could have signed them off of their practice squad to

1071
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:17,399
Speaker 3: your fifty three.

1072
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:18,279
Speaker 2: He has to agree to that.

1073
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:20,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, but yeah, that could have that certainly could have

1074
00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:21,480
Speaker 3: happened around the league.

1075
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:25,520
Speaker 2: But I think you know, I don't. Did you guys

1076
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:33,279
Speaker 2: see his interview? Man, it was Dan Jones interview.

1077
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 3: He'd I just came across this in the last couple

1078
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:40,160
Speaker 3: of days.

1079
00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:48,000
Speaker 2: This is it, Dan? What interview?

1080
00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:51,680
Speaker 3: Is that he was talking about just the impact. Oh,

1081
00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:56,799
Speaker 3: it's against all odds with Fitzpatrick, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Anderwitworth, That's what.

1082
00:52:57,520 --> 00:53:00,879
Speaker 3: And he talks about how the said he never took

1083
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:02,600
Speaker 3: the field for the quarterback for the Vikings or in

1084
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:04,600
Speaker 3: a short step, there's no question Kevin O'Connell left the

1085
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:07,160
Speaker 3: lasting impression. He said going to Minnesota, I saw how

1086
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:10,280
Speaker 3: Sam prepared, how Kevin prepared those guys, Josh McCown, Grant Yedinsky,

1087
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:11,960
Speaker 3: that crew, and how detailed they were day in and

1088
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:13,520
Speaker 3: day out on every little bit of the plan, how

1089
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:15,440
Speaker 3: they were going to study it, what they're looking for,

1090
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:17,760
Speaker 3: walking through quizzing each other. That made a big impression

1091
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:19,040
Speaker 3: on me. I was like, this is maybe the next

1092
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:21,480
Speaker 3: level of some of that stuff. I think that changed it.

1093
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:23,120
Speaker 3: I think Kevin and Augress was on play calling a

1094
00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:24,399
Speaker 3: lot of drop backshots, taking the chance.

1095
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:29,040
Speaker 2: That made an impression on me too. Yeah. It all worked.

1096
00:53:29,239 --> 00:53:31,520
Speaker 2: I mean it worked for the I mean even look

1097
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:34,560
Speaker 2: at Kyle with Mack. I know he threw a bob yesterday,

1098
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:35,080
Speaker 2: But when.

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00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:37,240
Speaker 3: You're talk that's what I'm saying, like, where you see

1100
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:43,479
Speaker 3: guys come from situations where coaching matters in this league

1101
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:45,520
Speaker 3: a great deal, and there are certain people that are

1102
00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:48,120
Speaker 3: big elevators. But sometimes if you go into a place

1103
00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:50,440
Speaker 3: where you don't necessarily have a veteran role model or

1104
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:52,160
Speaker 3: you don't have a quarterback coach, who does it? You

1105
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:55,879
Speaker 3: know this way? You never learned to study that way.

1106
00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:58,319
Speaker 3: And you look at what Sam Darnold goes to Minnesota

1107
00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:02,359
Speaker 3: now or was he before that Kyle? So he goes

1108
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:05,640
Speaker 3: from Kyle as a backup, gets indoctrinated, and all that

1109
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:09,840
Speaker 3: goes Minnesota blows up. Now he's flying high in Seattle

1110
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:11,600
Speaker 3: with Klint Kubiak as the play caller, who I think

1111
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:14,440
Speaker 3: is going to be a hot head coach name in

1112
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:19,799
Speaker 3: the next coaching cycle in the NFL. That stuff all

1113
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:23,160
Speaker 3: makes a big, big difference for some of these guys

1114
00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:27,080
Speaker 3: that were sure agreed upon good talents.

1115
00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:29,399
Speaker 2: It was none of them. They're all top of first

1116
00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:33,040
Speaker 2: round picks, right Jones, Darnold, Bake, Mac Jones, they all

1117
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:35,640
Speaker 2: were Yeah, they're all high first round picks. I mean, yeah,

1118
00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:38,279
Speaker 2: that's the talent. Was there a couple of the real

1119
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:40,399
Speaker 2: quick ones? Mike A. Seki is going to be out

1120
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:43,840
Speaker 2: a while down on the injury front down in Cincinnati,

1121
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:46,640
Speaker 2: short week for them. They have the Steelers on Thursday.

1122
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:49,800
Speaker 2: This one's stinks. So Mecha Buka scheduled undergo testing Tuesday

1123
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:51,800
Speaker 2: to determine how much time he'll miss with the hamstring

1124
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:54,200
Speaker 2: he suffered. But he's expected to be out a while.

1125
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:55,600
Speaker 2: And he was having an other war.

1126
00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:58,360
Speaker 3: I think they said it's the hope was that it

1127
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:02,879
Speaker 3: was not as severe as the Mike Evans won.

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00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:07,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's that's pretty good. Yep.

1129
00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:09,160
Speaker 3: That would be or that would be better than certainly

1130
00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:10,520
Speaker 3: what you're hoping for.

1131
00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:13,160
Speaker 2: Sidaria Smith retired from the NFL. He had signed with

1132
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:14,839
Speaker 2: the Eagles just a few weeks ago. He was here

1133
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:16,680
Speaker 2: a couple of years ago and was great when he

1134
00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:20,000
Speaker 2: was here, played last year in Detroit. And then the

1135
00:55:20,080 --> 00:55:23,200
Speaker 2: Chiefs get Rashi Rice back. His six games suspension is over.

1136
00:55:23,239 --> 00:55:26,680
Speaker 2: He's eligible play Sunday. So they get Rashee Rice back.

1137
00:55:26,680 --> 00:55:28,799
Speaker 2: They come off a win against Detroit where they really

1138
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:31,000
Speaker 2: that whole game came down to the middle four yep,

1139
00:55:31,040 --> 00:55:33,600
Speaker 2: because they both were great. Came down or the middle

1140
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:37,200
Speaker 2: eight rather, and so now they get they get him back.

1141
00:55:37,239 --> 00:55:39,200
Speaker 2: So way you go on that, and we will, by

1142
00:55:39,239 --> 00:55:41,080
Speaker 2: the way, do one thought around the league tomorrow.

1143
00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:42,799
Speaker 3: Tomorrow and just a little bit of news that is

1144
00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:44,680
Speaker 3: not around the league, but it is very much related

1145
00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:47,120
Speaker 3: to the Cleveland Browns. Cleveland may Or Justin Bibb and

1146
00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:50,320
Speaker 3: Brown's owner owner Jimmy Haslam are holding a news conference

1147
00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:53,040
Speaker 3: at four point thirty today at City Hall to provide quote,

1148
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:55,200
Speaker 3: an update on stadium negotiations.

1149
00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:59,719
Speaker 2: End quote. It's noteworthy, and that'll happen during our program.

1150
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:02,000
Speaker 2: There you go, So we'll get you the e THATLOK

1151
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:02,759
Speaker 2: four too, which is nice.

1152
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:03,000
Speaker 4: All right.

1153
00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:05,160
Speaker 2: You're listening to second hour of the program coming up next.

1154
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:08,160
Speaker 2: Included in this the Joe Thomas half hour of the program,

1155
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:12,280
Speaker 2: Joe's thoughts on everything that happened on Sunday over in Pittsburgh.

1156
00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:14,239
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00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:33,880
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1160
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:37,520
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1162
00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:52,680
Speaker 2: Head to Meyers Scan the Hillshire Farms QR code of

1163
00:56:52,719 --> 00:56:54,759
Speaker 2: the Meat Department until November eleventh, thir a chance to

1164
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:56,560
Speaker 2: win a sweet for ten to the Steelers game on

1165
00:56:56,600 --> 00:57:01,320
Speaker 2: December twenty eighth. How about you know for the loyal listeners,

1166
00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:03,279
Speaker 2: don't want to get too far ahead of ourselves, but

1167
00:57:03,320 --> 00:57:07,840
Speaker 2: it's possible one of our great grief, pieces of points

1168
00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:10,200
Speaker 2: of grief that we've had in the last eighteen months

1169
00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:13,920
Speaker 2: or so could at least be getting potentially a little reproach.

1170
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:17,040
Speaker 2: Well just for us to bring it, we need to

1171
00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:19,959
Speaker 2: bring it back for everybody. Well, one step at the time,

1172
00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:22,480
Speaker 2: one step at a time. Let's see if we can

1173
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:25,520
Speaker 2: make things happen here. Does give a no? Did you

1174
00:57:25,600 --> 00:57:28,440
Speaker 2: tell I'll tell them. Yeah, I was on my one.

1175
00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:32,280
Speaker 5: Sorry, it's in line for today and not knowing things.

1176
00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:36,160
Speaker 5: I think anyone else wanted to drop anything in my

1177
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:38,080
Speaker 5: life to that I didn't know about.

1178
00:57:38,680 --> 00:57:40,200
Speaker 2: Wasn't this on the right I could have faut it?

1179
00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:40,360
Speaker 15: No?

1180
00:57:40,360 --> 00:57:43,000
Speaker 2: No, No, it was during I think it might have

1181
00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:45,200
Speaker 2: been halftime where I got wind of it. I think

1182
00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:46,800
Speaker 2: it was at halftime when I was texting you and

1183
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:48,960
Speaker 2: I got winded it. That it could be. So we'll

1184
00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:51,880
Speaker 2: see if that can happen to be a major, major, major,

1185
00:57:52,600 --> 00:57:56,680
Speaker 2: major victory. My friend, major victory. I don't even know

1186
00:57:56,680 --> 00:57:57,880
Speaker 2: where we are. I know.

1187
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:02,320
Speaker 5: We got score and then we're done. Well we're not.

1188
00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:04,800
Speaker 2: We're not done. The hops Hops coming up here in

1189
00:58:04,840 --> 00:58:08,520
Speaker 2: about what nine minutes something like that. Yes, all right,

1190
00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:13,680
Speaker 2: where are you guys with the split? Start Monday nighters?

1191
00:58:13,720 --> 00:58:14,080
Speaker 2: Love it?

1192
00:58:14,160 --> 00:58:15,680
Speaker 5: I love I think it's coming back it.

1193
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:19,240
Speaker 2: So we got two weeks in a row. Staggers start

1194
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:23,080
Speaker 2: Monday nighters. Yeah, I would prefer Do you prefer that?

1195
00:58:23,640 --> 00:58:26,760
Speaker 2: Or the six nine to fifteen starts?

1196
00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:28,800
Speaker 3: Six and nine fifteen would be good, but I think

1197
00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:32,000
Speaker 3: it's usually seven and ten Usually I don't That game

1198
00:58:32,080 --> 00:58:34,320
Speaker 3: doesn't exist well now in Luca world, you're never going

1199
00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:36,520
Speaker 3: to see a ten o'clock start. That's over, you're done,

1200
00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:40,240
Speaker 3: so miss kay because I'm like, I just can't go

1201
00:58:40,280 --> 00:58:43,600
Speaker 3: to bed that early. That's just not my like I can't.

1202
00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:45,440
Speaker 2: So, well, what are you doing now? Like what are

1203
00:58:45,440 --> 00:58:46,840
Speaker 2: you trying to get to? Like I'd like to be

1204
00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:48,920
Speaker 2: uple at all? Like eleven? Yeah, that's I am. I'm

1205
00:58:49,040 --> 00:58:51,400
Speaker 2: eleven and then up at six, so that's that's seven.

1206
00:58:51,520 --> 00:58:52,120
Speaker 2: You need seven.

1207
00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:57,960
Speaker 3: So Miss k though, is like by ten now, oh

1208
00:58:58,040 --> 00:59:00,960
Speaker 3: she's she's like she's like my dad well, especially if

1209
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:03,200
Speaker 3: it's like like yesterday for example, because I was gone

1210
00:59:03,440 --> 00:59:05,800
Speaker 3: all day, so she had Luca all day.

1211
00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:08,320
Speaker 2: That's a full day. So yeah, so she was very tired.

1212
00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:12,439
Speaker 3: So she has now these like this iemask that you'll

1213
00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:14,040
Speaker 3: wear to try to block out the TV.

1214
00:59:14,120 --> 00:59:17,600
Speaker 2: And I just look, it makes me laugh, what are

1215
00:59:17,600 --> 00:59:22,640
Speaker 2: you doing thatt it? She'll get, She's gonna get once.

1216
00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:24,440
Speaker 2: There will come a point and I think you're going

1217
00:59:24,520 --> 00:59:27,000
Speaker 2: to settle into the eleven to eleven to seven, eleven

1218
00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:29,160
Speaker 2: to six, eleven to seven I think is a perfect orld.

1219
00:59:29,160 --> 00:59:32,040
Speaker 2: Well that's ideal. I'd kill for that. I did. I'm

1220
00:59:32,040 --> 00:59:33,680
Speaker 2: to the point now you and I talked about this offer,

1221
00:59:33,800 --> 00:59:36,240
Speaker 2: but you probably I think you'd be able to do

1222
00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:38,840
Speaker 2: that if you didn't have your program. Well I don't

1223
00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:40,600
Speaker 2: know if I can or not, but I just know that,

1224
00:59:40,760 --> 00:59:44,160
Speaker 2: like even on weekends now, like I'm it's six twenty

1225
00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:48,080
Speaker 2: six is kind of naturally now, which is pop up third.

1226
00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:52,080
Speaker 3: It used to be a solid you know, twelve to

1227
00:59:52,120 --> 00:59:55,360
Speaker 3: eight was a great that was a great living Yeah yeah, yeah,

1228
00:59:55,600 --> 00:59:56,280
Speaker 3: yeah yeah.

1229
00:59:56,800 --> 00:59:58,160
Speaker 2: This is the world. This is it, buddy, that.

1230
00:59:58,200 --> 00:59:59,760
Speaker 3: You know you're getting all though when you're like when

1231
00:59:59,760 --> 01:00:03,080
Speaker 3: it's like nine thirty five or nine forty five, and

1232
01:00:03,120 --> 01:00:06,320
Speaker 3: you're like, oh, I get to go get bad. Yeah,

1233
01:00:06,680 --> 01:00:08,520
Speaker 3: just slide it for a light for a little bit,

1234
01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:11,200
Speaker 3: watch a watch a watch my program, and then you know,

1235
01:00:11,880 --> 01:00:12,880
Speaker 3: watch the game bad.

1236
01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:15,680
Speaker 2: We also have to give give credit to College Football Nate.

1237
01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:18,320
Speaker 2: You nailed the James Franklin weeks ago. Weeks ago.

1238
01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:20,160
Speaker 3: There are two things that College Football Nate has been

1239
01:00:20,200 --> 01:00:23,480
Speaker 3: adamant about this year for weeks. Number one is that

1240
01:00:23,520 --> 01:00:25,280
Speaker 3: the Buckeyes are the best team in the country. Before

1241
01:00:25,320 --> 01:00:28,760
Speaker 3: it was kind of being generally regarded. Now it's that's

1242
01:00:28,840 --> 01:00:31,440
Speaker 3: that's the gospel, and that James Franklin was a fronsterer

1243
01:00:31,480 --> 01:00:33,960
Speaker 3: and he needed to go and I didn't think it

1244
01:00:33,960 --> 01:00:36,200
Speaker 3: was gonna happen in season, so he gon't. They found

1245
01:00:36,200 --> 01:00:39,600
Speaker 3: fifty million, is what it's fifty million, So yes, his buyout.

1246
01:00:39,640 --> 01:00:41,440
Speaker 2: I saw Dan Patrick be like, so was it a

1247
01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:42,480
Speaker 2: bad day for James Raklin?

1248
01:00:42,520 --> 01:00:45,240
Speaker 3: Now he gets fifty million dollars to do nothing he does.

1249
01:00:45,560 --> 01:00:47,400
Speaker 3: I think it was still probably a bad day for him.

1250
01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:50,000
Speaker 3: But yeah, that's that's the world you're living in college football.

1251
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:51,840
Speaker 3: Now there's huge buyouts, so it's gonna cost I got

1252
01:00:51,880 --> 01:00:54,840
Speaker 3: fifty to pay him out. It's gonna cost seventy five

1253
01:00:54,840 --> 01:00:56,560
Speaker 3: at least to hire the new guy in a seven

1254
01:00:56,640 --> 01:00:58,400
Speaker 3: year deal. So ten a year for that for the

1255
01:00:58,440 --> 01:01:00,640
Speaker 3: new guy. Plus they have a seven hund million dollars

1256
01:01:00,640 --> 01:01:02,600
Speaker 3: stadium renovation that they're in the middle of, and they're

1257
01:01:02,640 --> 01:01:05,720
Speaker 3: paying anil for their rosters. I'll tell you what if

1258
01:01:05,760 --> 01:01:09,320
Speaker 3: I was him, I'd be like, buddy, give me the

1259
01:01:09,360 --> 01:01:11,320
Speaker 3: top two country clubs you've always wanted to join.

1260
01:01:12,120 --> 01:01:14,760
Speaker 2: Where are you buying your dream house at the end

1261
01:01:15,080 --> 01:01:15,400
Speaker 2: the end?

1262
01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:18,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, all right, we have money football score, and I've

1263
01:01:18,480 --> 01:01:19,960
Speaker 5: got less than sixty seconds.

1264
01:01:20,120 --> 01:01:22,000
Speaker 2: I thought you had forty two. You had be at

1265
01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:23,200
Speaker 2: twenty two here given.

1266
01:01:23,040 --> 01:01:25,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, remember I said during the commercial break.

1267
01:01:25,360 --> 01:01:26,960
Speaker 2: Well, oh, I don't listen to you in the breaks.

1268
01:01:27,040 --> 01:01:29,440
Speaker 2: I'm aware, I listen.

1269
01:01:29,520 --> 01:01:32,360
Speaker 5: We need to be out like as let's go, let's

1270
01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:36,560
Speaker 5: go all right, game number one coming bills at Falcons,

1271
01:01:36,640 --> 01:01:39,920
Speaker 5: Gutlass Falcons Bills coming off of that Sunday night loss

1272
01:01:39,960 --> 01:01:41,080
Speaker 5: to the Patriots.

1273
01:01:41,160 --> 01:01:43,240
Speaker 2: Bobasho, listen to Zee on all of these. He's got

1274
01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:45,000
Speaker 2: it figured out. I've had a couple of bad weeks

1275
01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:47,000
Speaker 2: back to back in the NFL. So he's got a

1276
01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:49,120
Speaker 2: better feel on this. I just think Falcons play well

1277
01:01:49,160 --> 01:01:51,760
Speaker 2: at home. I could see Buffalo winning this gamey by

1278
01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:53,920
Speaker 2: in a very very tight score, but it wouldn't surprise

1279
01:01:53,960 --> 01:01:55,400
Speaker 2: me if Atlanta did either. So time to go.

1280
01:01:55,440 --> 01:01:57,800
Speaker 5: Done with the Falcon twenty four to twenty one Bills

1281
01:01:58,320 --> 01:02:00,480
Speaker 5: Done with the Falcons on primetime.

1282
01:02:00,160 --> 01:02:03,280
Speaker 3: Bill's coming off of a loss. They are, Yeah, this

1283
01:02:03,400 --> 01:02:05,320
Speaker 3: is a get right game. They're gonna get right. They're

1284
01:02:05,320 --> 01:02:09,080
Speaker 3: gonna get right in big Ley Bill's thirty one Falcons.

1285
01:02:08,680 --> 01:02:10,800
Speaker 2: Twenty one listen he not me.

1286
01:02:11,280 --> 01:02:15,640
Speaker 5: The late one with the Monday Night Crew, Buck Aikman

1287
01:02:15,880 --> 01:02:20,560
Speaker 5: Salters Bears at Kami's a rematch of the Hail Mary

1288
01:02:20,640 --> 01:02:22,120
Speaker 5: game from a year ago.

1289
01:02:22,160 --> 01:02:26,680
Speaker 3: A girl, no McLaurin, Deebo's banged up. I think that

1290
01:02:26,920 --> 01:02:28,720
Speaker 3: Washington is going to win the game, but I don't

1291
01:02:28,720 --> 01:02:29,920
Speaker 3: think that they're the more explosive.

1292
01:02:29,960 --> 01:02:33,600
Speaker 2: This could also be watching up twelve late. Yeah, there

1293
01:02:33,680 --> 01:02:34,040
Speaker 2: he is.

1294
01:02:34,360 --> 01:02:37,920
Speaker 3: By the way, it turned out, you couldn't see Kyler

1295
01:02:37,960 --> 01:02:40,160
Speaker 3: at the back door because he was so short, But

1296
01:02:40,200 --> 01:02:41,400
Speaker 3: then it was actually it.

1297
01:02:41,320 --> 01:02:46,560
Speaker 2: Was not him. You could have seen him there. He's

1298
01:02:46,600 --> 01:02:49,240
Speaker 2: like a good six five, good six five.

1299
01:02:49,640 --> 01:02:54,720
Speaker 3: I think the Bears get inside the number here bears too, Yeah, Bears,

1300
01:02:54,840 --> 01:02:57,760
Speaker 3: So Commi's probably something like this. This feels like a

1301
01:02:57,800 --> 01:03:00,680
Speaker 3: twenty seven to twenty four, Yeah somewhere something in like

1302
01:03:00,800 --> 01:03:02,160
Speaker 3: something like that. I'm with you on that one.

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Speaker 2: I like the Bears as well in that scenario with

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Speaker 2: the comedies on a very very narrow victory. The Joe

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Speaker 4: Ed.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back into the Joe Thomas Half Hour of the

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Speaker 2: program here on Cleveland Brown's Daily, the great Hoff is here. Look,

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Speaker 2: this is a tough one. It's a tough one. Hoff,

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Speaker 2: As you're taking this one in on a Sunday. Where

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Speaker 2: where is most of your frustration as now a Browns

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Speaker 2: fan and analyst.

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Speaker 19: Well, it's split between the Badgers and the Browns at

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01:03:49,680 --> 01:03:53,080
Speaker 19: this moment because the Browns. Although they broke my heart

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01:03:53,080 --> 01:03:56,200
Speaker 19: on Sunday against the Steelers, I didn't see it coming

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Speaker 19: quite as much as what happened when the got smashed

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Speaker 19: and homecoming against Iowa, so that hurt. But I think

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Speaker 19: where I probably direct most of my iyer is just

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01:04:08,440 --> 01:04:11,320
Speaker 19: how on offense we're so inept. Like I realize we

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Speaker 19: have a rookie quarterback, but we should be able to

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Speaker 19: get some more points than we are right now because

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Speaker 19: we've got some good players. We have professionals out there.

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01:04:19,640 --> 01:04:22,080
Speaker 19: We've got some solid pieces on the offensive line, we

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01:04:22,160 --> 01:04:24,360
Speaker 19: got weapons at tight end, Like we need to be

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01:04:24,400 --> 01:04:28,040
Speaker 19: able to just move the ball more down the field. Specifically,

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01:04:28,080 --> 01:04:30,160
Speaker 19: we need to be able to get some shots into

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01:04:30,200 --> 01:04:33,040
Speaker 19: the middle of the field more than ten yards to

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Speaker 19: stretch out a defense and.

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Speaker 2: Score more points.

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Speaker 5: It's football is hard.

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Speaker 19: There's no doubt Pro football is very hard. But we're

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01:04:40,680 --> 01:04:43,959
Speaker 19: making it look harder than it should be because we're

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01:04:44,040 --> 01:04:47,000
Speaker 19: just not scoring points. We're not efficient, we're not fun

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Speaker 19: on offense, and I think that's the frustration probably for

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01:04:50,240 --> 01:04:52,920
Speaker 19: a lot of Browns fans, Like we know mostly we

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Speaker 19: probably weren't going to win the Super Bowl going into

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01:04:54,800 --> 01:04:56,680
Speaker 19: the season, but we thought we'd be able to have

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01:04:56,720 --> 01:04:58,280
Speaker 19: a little bit of fun along the way. We thought

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01:04:58,520 --> 01:05:00,880
Speaker 19: on offense we'd be able to wrinkle in some nice

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Speaker 19: plays and maybe we get a chance to see some

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Speaker 19: of these young quarterbacks do some fun things.

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Speaker 10: But none of that has happened.

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Speaker 19: And for as good as Dylan played in the first game,

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Speaker 19: you didn't feel like there was a lot of follow through.

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Speaker 19: And the danger of having a young quarterback who's afraid

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01:05:15,800 --> 01:05:19,320
Speaker 19: to make some big throws down the field and take

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01:05:19,360 --> 01:05:23,360
Speaker 19: some chances is that defenses are pretty smart and they're

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01:05:23,400 --> 01:05:26,000
Speaker 19: watching the film and they're getting the tendencies. And if

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Speaker 19: you're not going to push the ball and you're only

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Speaker 19: going to throw the guys that are wide open at

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01:05:30,320 --> 01:05:32,880
Speaker 19: short range, defense are going to figure that out and

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01:05:32,920 --> 01:05:35,200
Speaker 19: it's going to make it even more difficult. And what

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Speaker 19: we thought was maybe a good, bright young start in

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01:05:38,160 --> 01:05:41,200
Speaker 19: London to Dylan Gabriel's career is going to keep getting

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Speaker 19: worse and worse until he realizes that, hey, we can

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Speaker 19: throw the football down the field because we have to.

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01:05:47,120 --> 01:05:49,920
Speaker 19: We have to force the issue. We have to threaten

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Speaker 19: a defense with some down the field throws because otherwise

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Speaker 19: they're just going to keep creeping closer to the line

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Speaker 19: of scrimmage, and now they're going to even start jumping

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Speaker 19: some of the shorter stuff. And then now it's going

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Speaker 19: to be more interceptions and more mistakes. And so I

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Speaker 19: guess if that was one thing, then there's your one

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Speaker 19: thing that gave me the greatest amount of frustration there

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Speaker 19: over the weekend.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you could tell as that game went on

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Speaker 3: that they were not even concerned at all.

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Speaker 2: And here's the thing.

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Speaker 3: When you run a lot of these you know what

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Speaker 3: we call shot plays. When you run those, you've got

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Speaker 3: to read them top down and if the top, if

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Speaker 3: the verticals open, you've got to throw it. And I

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Speaker 3: think we are so our process is so sped up

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Speaker 3: that we are completely just going down and waiting and looking,

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Speaker 3: you know, just trying to get rid of football, just

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Speaker 3: trying to survive, I guess. But at some point it's

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Speaker 3: that balance, right of being aggressive but not putting the

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Speaker 3: ball in danger, but to make some of the plays.

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Speaker 3: You watch quarterbacks around the league, and I know everybody

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Speaker 3: and certainly in this area, is talking about Baker Mayfield.

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Speaker 3: Baker Mayfield puts a ball in peril a lot. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: but he's making plays. He's being aggressive and rowing into

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Speaker 3: some tighter windows and certainly pushing the ball vertically. It's

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Speaker 3: too hard and I think we have too many limitations

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Speaker 3: right now as a Cleveland Browns offense.

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Speaker 2: To try and run ten twelve players drives. It just

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Speaker 2: is going to happen.

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Speaker 3: So the only way you can run less tha is

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Speaker 3: you got to get some chunks, and that requires most

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Speaker 3: likely throwing the football down the field.

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Speaker 19: It's great to not have any interceptions. It's great to

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Speaker 19: not turn the football over when you're a young quarterback,

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Speaker 19: but you have to be able to walk that fine

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Speaker 19: line between not putting the ball in harm's way unnecessarily

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Speaker 19: and taking chances, because being a quarterback is all about

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01:07:33,720 --> 01:07:37,120
Speaker 19: taking calculated risks and when the moment is there, you

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01:07:37,160 --> 01:07:40,560
Speaker 19: gotta let it rip. Otherwise it becomes an impossible task

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01:07:40,880 --> 01:07:42,600
Speaker 19: to move the football down the field three and a

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Speaker 19: half four yards at a time in the NFL.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it does. He's a rookie quarterback making his second

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Speaker 2: start in Pittsburgh, so all of those things are part

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Speaker 2: of it too, and I think that there to me, guys,

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Speaker 2: there's so many problems here offensively. But if you watch

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Speaker 2: and you mentioned Baker. If you watched the game last

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Speaker 2: night and you see Goff and the way that they

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Speaker 2: handle it, this is playing quarterback at the expert level.

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Speaker 2: But the other thing is is they have guys who

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Speaker 2: when they catch it, can take it to the house.

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Speaker 2: Starts with catch, right if you have a rookie quarterback,

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Speaker 2: catch it if it hits you in the hands. I mean,

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Speaker 2: you gotta do that, Like that's basic stuff. So what

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Speaker 2: I think is the other thing that's really troubling here

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Speaker 2: is we're not really putting a rookie quarterback in a

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Speaker 2: position to succeed either, and so bad habits are now

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Speaker 2: becoming who he is at maybe that's who he has

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Speaker 2: a little bit anyway, he's a third bet round pick.

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Speaker 2: But there's nothing that we do that's scary for a

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Speaker 2: defense right now. Hoff And the one thing that I

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Speaker 2: thought was was quin Shawn Judkins, But then we kind

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Speaker 2: of didn't get the full Quenchwn Judkins experience yesterday either.

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Speaker 19: Yeah, I was surprised that they didn't at least feed

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Speaker 19: Judkins more. I mean, he had twelve carries in the game,

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Speaker 19: he only had a three yard average. It was pretty

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Speaker 19: obvious that Pittsburgh's defense was saying, all right, as long

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Speaker 19: as this guy doesn't beat us, we're going to be okay,

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Speaker 19: and we're going to win this game. But when he's

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Speaker 19: really your best weapon on offense, and he's a rookie

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Speaker 19: and he's a guy that you're trying to still incorporate

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01:09:10,200 --> 01:09:12,040
Speaker 19: in the offense and figure out what are the run

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Speaker 19: schemes that he likes the most, what are the blocking

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Speaker 19: schemes that the offensive line really likes with him in there,

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Speaker 19: I still think you need to be able to find

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Speaker 19: a way to get him the football because he's your

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01:09:20,880 --> 01:09:23,640
Speaker 19: most explosive weapon on offense, and the last thing you

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01:09:23,640 --> 01:09:26,720
Speaker 19: want is your quarterback throwing the ball fifty times. So

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Speaker 19: I was pretty surprised that they didn't just feed him

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Speaker 19: the ball more, or even just give him an opportunity

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01:09:32,439 --> 01:09:35,240
Speaker 19: to get some shorter passes. Just put the ball in

1446
01:09:35,280 --> 01:09:37,759
Speaker 19: his hand. He's your best player. He had zero receptions,

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01:09:37,800 --> 01:09:40,400
Speaker 19: he had twelve carries. He needs to touch the ball

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Speaker 19: twenty times every game. I really think that that's the

1449
01:09:43,240 --> 01:09:46,840
Speaker 19: way it is. And understanding that he is your best

1450
01:09:46,840 --> 01:09:49,400
Speaker 19: asset on offense, he's the guy that's going to take

1451
01:09:49,439 --> 01:09:52,439
Speaker 19: the most pressure off your quarterback. And even if it

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01:09:52,520 --> 01:09:55,519
Speaker 19: means in some more unconventional ways, I think he needs

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Speaker 19: to be a much bigger part of the game plan. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And the one that just surprised me that I I

1455
01:10:00,160 --> 01:10:02,280
Speaker 3: just still have not really been able to figure out,

1456
01:10:02,400 --> 01:10:05,800
Speaker 3: is you get it down there the Browns are you know,

1457
01:10:06,320 --> 01:10:07,960
Speaker 3: down you're down twenty three to six.

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01:10:08,040 --> 01:10:09,719
Speaker 2: I mean obviously you need a lot.

1459
01:10:09,760 --> 01:10:13,320
Speaker 3: Yeah to go your way here, but you get first

1460
01:10:13,320 --> 01:10:15,639
Speaker 3: and goal after they call that pass interference on Jerry Jude.

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01:10:15,640 --> 01:10:19,599
Speaker 3: You get first and goal to Pittsburgh three. Judkins doesn't

1462
01:10:19,640 --> 01:10:22,719
Speaker 3: even come on the field now. Earlier in this very drive,

1463
01:10:23,320 --> 01:10:26,080
Speaker 3: when it was you got a six yard run from

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01:10:26,160 --> 01:10:28,160
Speaker 3: Judkins when you kind of lined up everybody was on

1465
01:10:28,200 --> 01:10:30,479
Speaker 3: a fourth and two with the Steelers thirty. You brought

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01:10:30,520 --> 01:10:32,320
Speaker 3: in Huntington, You got big and he ran for six

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Speaker 3: yards kind of yeah, in the nothing into a wall

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Speaker 3: and still got six.

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Speaker 2: And we start off at the.

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Speaker 3: Three we go shotgun pass, shotgun pass gets sacked for

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Speaker 3: eleven yards.

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Speaker 2: I just that one. I don't understand that sequence.

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Speaker 3: Can you maybe give us some insight what could be

1474
01:10:49,160 --> 01:10:51,960
Speaker 3: the thinking there why you wouldn't want to just go

1475
01:10:52,080 --> 01:10:53,799
Speaker 3: up there and run it, or were you as surprised

1476
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Speaker 3: as I was.

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Speaker 19: Yeah, I was surprised, and I think when you look

1478
01:10:57,439 --> 01:11:01,120
Speaker 19: at their red zone inefficiency, they were oerver three. And

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01:11:01,600 --> 01:11:04,559
Speaker 19: when you're getting kicking field goals with this offense, like

1480
01:11:04,880 --> 01:11:07,559
Speaker 19: that's an immediate loss. Like it's so hard for them

1481
01:11:07,600 --> 01:11:09,320
Speaker 19: to get down there and get into the red zone.

1482
01:11:09,400 --> 01:11:11,360
Speaker 19: And when you're in the red zone, all the space

1483
01:11:11,439 --> 01:11:14,280
Speaker 19: gets a lot tighter, everything gets more compressed, and so

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01:11:14,760 --> 01:11:17,200
Speaker 19: I'm thinking, Okay, run the ball. That's where you have

1485
01:11:17,280 --> 01:11:19,880
Speaker 19: to be the most effective running the football is in

1486
01:11:19,920 --> 01:11:22,719
Speaker 19: the red zone because your passing windows are way tighter,

1487
01:11:23,040 --> 01:11:26,960
Speaker 19: and it's just more difficult because defenses are even closer

1488
01:11:27,000 --> 01:11:28,439
Speaker 19: to the line of scrimmage because they don't have to

1489
01:11:28,439 --> 01:11:31,040
Speaker 19: defend the link of the field, so they can disguise more.

1490
01:11:31,240 --> 01:11:33,679
Speaker 19: It's just a really difficult place for a rookie quarterback.

1491
01:11:33,720 --> 01:11:36,280
Speaker 19: The precision has to be so much higher. So leave

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01:11:36,400 --> 01:11:39,400
Speaker 19: Quinchean on the field, get in the football. And at

1493
01:11:39,400 --> 01:11:42,000
Speaker 19: this point we're not going to make the playoffs, so

1494
01:11:42,040 --> 01:11:44,559
Speaker 19: it's more about, hey, let's see what these guys can do.

1495
01:11:44,720 --> 01:11:47,080
Speaker 19: Let's not try to trick anybody out of anything. Yeah,

1496
01:11:47,160 --> 01:11:49,360
Speaker 19: there comes a time and a place where you still

1497
01:11:49,400 --> 01:11:53,000
Speaker 19: need to keep the defense honest and be creative and

1498
01:11:53,520 --> 01:11:55,280
Speaker 19: get some nice trick plays in there. But I think

1499
01:11:55,960 --> 01:11:58,800
Speaker 19: within the context of saying that you need number ten

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01:11:58,840 --> 01:12:01,000
Speaker 19: on the field at all times when you're in the

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01:12:01,040 --> 01:12:03,760
Speaker 19: red zone, I just think that he's too much of

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01:12:03,800 --> 01:12:06,439
Speaker 19: a weapon. He's too important, especially when you do get

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01:12:06,439 --> 01:12:08,400
Speaker 19: into the red zone to try to punch the ball

1504
01:12:08,439 --> 01:12:10,439
Speaker 19: in there. He's a guy that you want to lean on.

1505
01:12:10,560 --> 01:12:13,040
Speaker 19: He's your workhorse, he's your best asset. Put him in

1506
01:12:13,080 --> 01:12:15,280
Speaker 19: the game, give him the football. Now, you don't want

1507
01:12:15,320 --> 01:12:17,920
Speaker 19: to be completely predictable, but you still got to leave

1508
01:12:18,000 --> 01:12:19,800
Speaker 19: him in the game to give him the threat. And

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01:12:19,920 --> 01:12:22,600
Speaker 19: the defense is the most afraid of this dude. So

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01:12:22,680 --> 01:12:24,320
Speaker 19: even if you don't hand it to him when he's

1511
01:12:24,360 --> 01:12:26,200
Speaker 19: on the field, at least it opens up some of

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01:12:26,200 --> 01:12:26,959
Speaker 19: the other options.

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Speaker 3: And to me, again, it was at a point in

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01:12:29,520 --> 01:12:31,640
Speaker 3: the game where it look was a comeback likely. No

1515
01:12:31,960 --> 01:12:34,840
Speaker 3: it wasn't, But this was a game in which it

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01:12:34,920 --> 01:12:38,760
Speaker 3: felt like for a lot of it the Steelers level

1517
01:12:38,760 --> 01:12:43,600
Speaker 3: of physicality was above our level of physicality. That's not

1518
01:12:43,600 --> 01:12:45,080
Speaker 3: saying I'm not saying guys weren't playing hard for the

1519
01:12:45,080 --> 01:12:47,280
Speaker 3: clean brunts. I'm just saying they were being a physical,

1520
01:12:47,479 --> 01:12:49,800
Speaker 3: violent team. I got throughout the game and look at

1521
01:12:49,800 --> 01:12:51,920
Speaker 3: the list of injuries that we've got, and some of

1522
01:12:51,960 --> 01:12:54,680
Speaker 3: it was clean, some of it was on the teetering

1523
01:12:54,720 --> 01:12:58,800
Speaker 3: on maybe not necessarily being clean. Anderstiliano was losing his mind.

1524
01:12:58,840 --> 01:13:01,800
Speaker 3: He was going appleplex Ghet points during the game about

1525
01:13:01,800 --> 01:13:05,320
Speaker 3: the physicality. But I thought I looked at that as

1526
01:13:05,320 --> 01:13:07,679
Speaker 3: a chance to make a statement as well, like you're.

1527
01:13:07,520 --> 01:13:08,800
Speaker 2: Not gonna big brother us.

1528
01:13:09,000 --> 01:13:11,599
Speaker 3: We're gonna line up and we're gonna just shove it

1529
01:13:11,640 --> 01:13:14,360
Speaker 3: down your stinking throats and we're gonna get out there

1530
01:13:14,360 --> 01:13:15,800
Speaker 3: and we're gonna show you that. Yeah, you may have

1531
01:13:15,800 --> 01:13:18,160
Speaker 3: won this game, but we're gonna match your physicality.

1532
01:13:18,200 --> 01:13:19,800
Speaker 2: In fact, we're gonna take it to you right here.

1533
01:13:19,960 --> 01:13:21,559
Speaker 3: And I thought maybe that was a chance to not

1534
01:13:21,600 --> 01:13:23,559
Speaker 3: only you want to get in the end zone, that's

1535
01:13:23,600 --> 01:13:25,320
Speaker 3: the goal obviously, but to do it in a way

1536
01:13:25,360 --> 01:13:29,599
Speaker 3: that could be maybe galvanizing even going forward. Does that

1537
01:13:29,640 --> 01:13:32,080
Speaker 3: matter or is that something that's made up by us

1538
01:13:32,200 --> 01:13:34,360
Speaker 3: when you guys in there, you know, in the trenches,

1539
01:13:34,400 --> 01:13:38,080
Speaker 3: are not even thinking about, hey, let's go, let's exert

1540
01:13:38,080 --> 01:13:38,960
Speaker 3: our will on them.

1541
01:13:40,160 --> 01:13:44,559
Speaker 19: Yeah, So I think back to my first year under

1542
01:13:44,640 --> 01:13:49,880
Speaker 19: Eric Mangini two thousand and nine, we started one and eleven.

1543
01:13:49,960 --> 01:13:50,960
Speaker 10: We weren't a very good team.

1544
01:13:51,040 --> 01:13:54,160
Speaker 19: We had terrible receivers, we didn't have great quarterback play,

1545
01:13:54,360 --> 01:13:56,000
Speaker 19: but we had a good offensive line, we had an

1546
01:13:56,000 --> 01:14:00,240
Speaker 19: okay defense, and we just said, hey, look, we're going

1547
01:14:00,240 --> 01:14:02,760
Speaker 19: to create an identity this year. We're not making the playoffs,

1548
01:14:02,760 --> 01:14:06,000
Speaker 19: but it's about an identity that we're trying to create

1549
01:14:06,160 --> 01:14:09,599
Speaker 19: for this season, for these players and then for the future.

1550
01:14:09,840 --> 01:14:11,400
Speaker 19: So we just said, we're going to be physical, We're

1551
01:14:11,400 --> 01:14:14,000
Speaker 19: going to run the football, and we may lose the game,

1552
01:14:14,280 --> 01:14:16,120
Speaker 19: but you know what, they're going to walk away from

1553
01:14:16,120 --> 01:14:18,280
Speaker 19: this game licking their wounds and they're going to be

1554
01:14:18,320 --> 01:14:20,640
Speaker 19: in the ice tub because what we can do and

1555
01:14:20,680 --> 01:14:23,240
Speaker 19: what we can control is how physical we are, how

1556
01:14:23,280 --> 01:14:26,000
Speaker 19: hard we hit those dudes, and we're going to make

1557
01:14:26,040 --> 01:14:28,559
Speaker 19: them say uncle by the end of the game because

1558
01:14:28,600 --> 01:14:30,599
Speaker 19: we're going to run the ball right at them, we're

1559
01:14:30,640 --> 01:14:33,440
Speaker 19: going to beat them up all over the field, and

1560
01:14:33,520 --> 01:14:36,120
Speaker 19: we're going to play some good defense and hard defense

1561
01:14:36,120 --> 01:14:38,759
Speaker 19: on the other side. And eventually the end of the season,

1562
01:14:38,800 --> 01:14:40,679
Speaker 19: we went on a four game winning streak.

1563
01:14:40,880 --> 01:14:42,360
Speaker 10: Now it was meaningless in the end.

1564
01:14:42,439 --> 01:14:45,240
Speaker 19: But it felt good for us because we said when

1565
01:14:45,240 --> 01:14:47,240
Speaker 19: we were going through that losing the beginning of the season,

1566
01:14:47,600 --> 01:14:49,920
Speaker 19: we need to create an identity. Our identity is going

1567
01:14:49,960 --> 01:14:51,760
Speaker 19: to be that we're more physical and we're tougher than

1568
01:14:51,800 --> 01:14:54,200
Speaker 19: you are. And by the end of the season, especially

1569
01:14:54,200 --> 01:14:56,519
Speaker 19: those teams that were maybe not in the playoff hunt

1570
01:14:56,520 --> 01:14:58,160
Speaker 19: and they were coming to Cleveland and it was cold

1571
01:14:58,200 --> 01:15:00,479
Speaker 19: and it was nasty and they didn't really feel like playing,

1572
01:15:00,840 --> 01:15:02,280
Speaker 19: we were going to win that game. Not because we

1573
01:15:02,280 --> 01:15:04,320
Speaker 19: were a better team where we had better athletes, but

1574
01:15:04,479 --> 01:15:06,840
Speaker 19: we're just going to be more physical. And it gave

1575
01:15:06,880 --> 01:15:08,760
Speaker 19: you something to rally around, and I think that's really

1576
01:15:08,760 --> 01:15:11,400
Speaker 19: important when you have a season that's slipping away at

1577
01:15:11,400 --> 01:15:13,640
Speaker 19: one in five, Now, what is the thing that's going

1578
01:15:13,680 --> 01:15:16,280
Speaker 19: to get you excited to show up? It's certainly not

1579
01:15:16,360 --> 01:15:18,479
Speaker 19: chasing the playoffs at this point, but it's, hey, you

1580
01:15:18,479 --> 01:15:20,080
Speaker 19: know what, We're going to be a tough out. We're

1581
01:15:20,080 --> 01:15:21,599
Speaker 19: going to be physical. Teams are not going to want

1582
01:15:21,640 --> 01:15:23,439
Speaker 19: to see us, and that can give us some pride

1583
01:15:23,479 --> 01:15:25,320
Speaker 19: in who we are and the identity that we're going

1584
01:15:25,360 --> 01:15:27,640
Speaker 19: to try to create here for next season and for

1585
01:15:27,680 --> 01:15:29,400
Speaker 19: the year after and for the guys that are here

1586
01:15:29,400 --> 01:15:31,559
Speaker 19: that are young players, and so I think it's really

1587
01:15:31,600 --> 01:15:33,640
Speaker 19: important to have that thing because if you don't have

1588
01:15:33,680 --> 01:15:36,240
Speaker 19: that thing, then you start losing effort. So pointing to

1589
01:15:36,280 --> 01:15:39,320
Speaker 19: physicality and toughness and how hard you're going to play

1590
01:15:39,600 --> 01:15:41,240
Speaker 19: and how physical you're going to play, I think is

1591
01:15:41,240 --> 01:15:43,920
Speaker 19: a really important rallying cry that I would really like

1592
01:15:43,960 --> 01:15:46,360
Speaker 19: to see them adopt moving forward in the season.

1593
01:15:46,560 --> 01:15:48,120
Speaker 10: And I think it.

1594
01:15:47,680 --> 01:15:49,880
Speaker 19: Starts a lot of times with the plays that you

1595
01:15:49,960 --> 01:15:52,559
Speaker 19: call and the things that you emphasize during the week

1596
01:15:52,560 --> 01:15:54,880
Speaker 19: of practice, and then the things that you emphasize on

1597
01:15:54,920 --> 01:15:55,320
Speaker 19: game day.

1598
01:15:55,360 --> 01:15:57,000
Speaker 10: This is what we want to be, this is who

1599
01:15:57,000 --> 01:15:57,400
Speaker 10: we are.

1600
01:15:57,720 --> 01:16:00,280
Speaker 2: It was so interesting as you're asking Joe that QUI question,

1601
01:16:00,600 --> 01:16:05,400
Speaker 2: I wrote down identity because that's it, Like, what what

1602
01:16:05,680 --> 01:16:10,240
Speaker 2: is the identity of this operation? Offensively, what should it be?

1603
01:16:10,320 --> 01:16:12,519
Speaker 2: It had been quinch on for a couple of weeks,

1604
01:16:12,640 --> 01:16:15,080
Speaker 2: for sure. Yeah, I mean that's the whole thing. If

1605
01:16:15,120 --> 01:16:16,920
Speaker 2: you think back to the conversations you and I had

1606
01:16:16,960 --> 01:16:18,320
Speaker 2: in the summer around this team and it was being

1607
01:16:18,360 --> 01:16:21,400
Speaker 2: built around Kenny Pickett, you know, we kept saying we're

1608
01:16:21,439 --> 01:16:24,040
Speaker 2: going to try to win games twenty to seventeen seventeen

1609
01:16:24,080 --> 01:16:27,400
Speaker 2: to ten, seventeen thirteen. Like we're not getting to seventeen

1610
01:16:27,479 --> 01:16:30,240
Speaker 2: right now, but like that was what they were shooting for.

1611
01:16:30,320 --> 01:16:32,400
Speaker 2: I mean we didn't we didn't add a ton of

1612
01:16:32,439 --> 01:16:35,360
Speaker 2: weapons in the off season. We didn't. Like this is

1613
01:16:35,520 --> 01:16:37,960
Speaker 2: kind of what it is. Is this is what they

1614
01:16:37,960 --> 01:16:40,040
Speaker 2: were shooting for is and obviously they were hoping they'd

1615
01:16:40,080 --> 01:16:43,160
Speaker 2: be more efficient. But see this is what this is

1616
01:16:43,200 --> 01:16:44,880
Speaker 2: what was in the brochure for sure.

1617
01:16:44,920 --> 01:16:47,479
Speaker 3: And the tough part about this and haf you know

1618
01:16:47,560 --> 01:16:51,920
Speaker 3: this is when that is your quote unquote m O

1619
01:16:52,200 --> 01:16:55,160
Speaker 3: or your identity and you kind of eschew the notion

1620
01:16:55,320 --> 01:16:58,280
Speaker 3: that we're going to try to outscore you. You have

1621
01:16:58,360 --> 01:17:01,920
Speaker 3: a very low margin because there really is only one

1622
01:17:02,040 --> 01:17:05,040
Speaker 3: game script or game flow that you can win with.

1623
01:17:05,200 --> 01:17:05,400
Speaker 2: Yep.

1624
01:17:05,680 --> 01:17:08,320
Speaker 3: And so far, special teams have not been great. And

1625
01:17:08,360 --> 01:17:10,920
Speaker 3: here's another one in this week. It's Cam Thomas. It

1626
01:17:10,920 --> 01:17:12,640
Speaker 3: was could have been a tough call, sure, but like

1627
01:17:13,160 --> 01:17:14,880
Speaker 3: you got to make your own breaks, and we're not

1628
01:17:14,960 --> 01:17:17,280
Speaker 3: gonna get benefit of the doubt because we haven't been good.

1629
01:17:17,320 --> 01:17:20,200
Speaker 3: It's like why Michael Jordan would get calls over somebody

1630
01:17:20,439 --> 01:17:23,639
Speaker 3: like Adel Curry who wasn't bad, but he wasn't Michael Jordan. No, right,

1631
01:17:24,080 --> 01:17:28,080
Speaker 3: So you've got to make your own destiny, and and

1632
01:17:28,080 --> 01:17:30,760
Speaker 3: and the margin freer special teams that extends a drive,

1633
01:17:30,800 --> 01:17:33,000
Speaker 3: that turns it into a touchdown, that's basically a turnover

1634
01:17:33,080 --> 01:17:34,880
Speaker 3: because we were gonna get the ball and instead it

1635
01:17:34,880 --> 01:17:37,240
Speaker 3: extends it for Aaron Rodgers. He goes down, they get

1636
01:17:37,240 --> 01:17:39,479
Speaker 3: a touch him, and it blows the game wide open.

1637
01:17:40,520 --> 01:17:43,960
Speaker 3: We don't have right Heck, we don't have the ability

1638
01:17:43,960 --> 01:17:47,240
Speaker 3: to score twenty points period right now. No, I hope

1639
01:17:47,280 --> 01:17:52,000
Speaker 3: we do. You're gonna need to, but our margin for

1640
01:17:52,040 --> 01:17:54,599
Speaker 3: air is just so so small. So when you think

1641
01:17:54,640 --> 01:17:56,720
Speaker 3: about how do the Browns keep losing, and you say

1642
01:17:56,720 --> 01:18:00,320
Speaker 3: to yourself, it's gonna be a special team's blow under

1643
01:18:00,800 --> 01:18:02,880
Speaker 3: a variety of It could be a punt return for

1644
01:18:02,880 --> 01:18:04,840
Speaker 3: a touchdown. It could be running the punter, extending a drive,

1645
01:18:04,880 --> 01:18:07,479
Speaker 3: could be miss field goals in week one, it's gonna

1646
01:18:07,479 --> 01:18:11,679
Speaker 3: be on offense, pre snap penalties, so many pre snap penalties,

1647
01:18:11,760 --> 01:18:15,040
Speaker 3: yep drop passes, you know, and from a quarterback perspective,

1648
01:18:15,040 --> 01:18:17,120
Speaker 3: when we actually do scheme something up and it's there

1649
01:18:17,160 --> 01:18:19,439
Speaker 3: and it's blocked up, we're not even throwing it down

1650
01:18:19,479 --> 01:18:21,559
Speaker 3: the field. Because I think we're so shell shocked by

1651
01:18:21,600 --> 01:18:25,240
Speaker 3: everything else and then you say, well, you none of

1652
01:18:25,240 --> 01:18:29,160
Speaker 3: that is winning. So I'm looking for small victories. Number One,

1653
01:18:29,160 --> 01:18:29,760
Speaker 3: I'd like to team.

1654
01:18:29,840 --> 01:18:30,400
Speaker 2: I'd like to be.

1655
01:18:30,360 --> 01:18:33,280
Speaker 3: Fun to watch, so like i'd rather James Winston was

1656
01:18:33,280 --> 01:18:35,840
Speaker 3: fun to watch. Yep, we didn't win a lot. He

1657
01:18:35,920 --> 01:18:38,120
Speaker 3: actually won two games two of our three last year.

1658
01:18:38,520 --> 01:18:42,280
Speaker 3: But there was something fun to watch and we need

1659
01:18:42,320 --> 01:18:44,799
Speaker 3: to We need to find that and if that's gonna be,

1660
01:18:44,800 --> 01:18:47,559
Speaker 3: because there can be something beautiful about lining up our

1661
01:18:47,640 --> 01:18:50,320
Speaker 3: eleven guys, bringing aid in Huntington and bringing Luke Whipler

1662
01:18:50,320 --> 01:18:52,240
Speaker 3: into three and be like, we're gonna run it four times.

1663
01:18:52,000 --> 01:18:52,439
Speaker 2: In a row.

1664
01:18:52,680 --> 01:18:54,960
Speaker 3: You know what, We know everybody in the crowd knows it,

1665
01:18:55,120 --> 01:18:57,320
Speaker 3: and we're gonna impose our will because at least we

1666
01:18:57,360 --> 01:19:01,200
Speaker 3: can we know we can do that. That's why I

1667
01:19:01,240 --> 01:19:03,040
Speaker 3: would I would have liked to have at least seen that,

1668
01:19:03,080 --> 01:19:07,360
Speaker 3: because we're not like we get down by nine or ten.

1669
01:19:08,000 --> 01:19:09,799
Speaker 2: It feels like we're down thirty.

1670
01:19:10,000 --> 01:19:13,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's a tough way to play in this league.

1671
01:19:13,680 --> 01:19:16,000
Speaker 2: This is it, no matter what you say.

1672
01:19:16,120 --> 01:19:18,360
Speaker 3: And then we went through all the numbers we've screamed

1673
01:19:18,400 --> 01:19:22,920
Speaker 3: weapons weapons, weapons, weapons, all up and down. Yeah, this

1674
01:19:23,040 --> 01:19:25,479
Speaker 3: is a scoring league, like you have got to when

1675
01:19:25,479 --> 01:19:28,240
Speaker 3: all else goes wrong, you've got to be able to score.

1676
01:19:28,320 --> 01:19:29,919
Speaker 3: And you've got to be able to throw the football

1677
01:19:29,920 --> 01:19:31,759
Speaker 3: when other teams know you've got to throw the football.

1678
01:19:31,800 --> 01:19:33,600
Speaker 3: That's you want to win super Bowls, you want to

1679
01:19:33,640 --> 01:19:37,640
Speaker 3: win divisions. That's the bare minimum. And we don't have that.

1680
01:19:37,920 --> 01:19:42,759
Speaker 2: No, no, but that I suppose that will be something

1681
01:19:42,800 --> 01:19:45,519
Speaker 2: that I guess, Huff. The question to you is when

1682
01:19:45,560 --> 01:19:47,719
Speaker 2: you guys did that in two that was two thousand

1683
01:19:47,720 --> 01:19:49,479
Speaker 2: and eight or nine or whenever that was your rookie year.

1684
01:19:50,200 --> 01:19:55,120
Speaker 2: How did you flip that? How did you say, like, like,

1685
01:19:55,200 --> 01:19:57,040
Speaker 2: did you get you guys as an offensive line put

1686
01:19:57,040 --> 01:19:59,000
Speaker 2: it on yourselves like we're gonna go this is who

1687
01:19:59,000 --> 01:20:01,000
Speaker 2: we are, Like, how how did you get that flipped?

1688
01:20:02,600 --> 01:20:02,800
Speaker 13: Yeah?

1689
01:20:02,920 --> 01:20:05,120
Speaker 19: I think that it was two thousand and nine. It

1690
01:20:05,160 --> 01:20:06,960
Speaker 19: was my first year with Mangini, so it was my

1691
01:20:07,280 --> 01:20:10,800
Speaker 19: third year in the NFL. But it was a collective

1692
01:20:10,840 --> 01:20:14,360
Speaker 19: among the offensive line like, hey, this is what we're

1693
01:20:14,360 --> 01:20:16,200
Speaker 19: going to be. We're we may not win a lot

1694
01:20:16,240 --> 01:20:18,200
Speaker 19: of games, but you know what, we're going to hurt

1695
01:20:18,200 --> 01:20:19,439
Speaker 19: the other guys in the process.

1696
01:20:19,560 --> 01:20:21,800
Speaker 10: We're going to be physical and we're going.

1697
01:20:21,720 --> 01:20:22,200
Speaker 4: To be tough.

1698
01:20:22,479 --> 01:20:24,320
Speaker 19: We're going to run the ball right at you, and

1699
01:20:24,640 --> 01:20:28,519
Speaker 19: demanding that from the man calling the plays, and the

1700
01:20:28,560 --> 01:20:31,200
Speaker 19: way that you scripted practice from the beginning of the

1701
01:20:31,200 --> 01:20:33,760
Speaker 19: week on the Monday, talking about, hey, you know, all

1702
01:20:33,800 --> 01:20:35,960
Speaker 19: these pass plays are great and everything, but let's make

1703
01:20:36,000 --> 01:20:38,640
Speaker 19: sure that what we're focusing on during the week of

1704
01:20:38,680 --> 01:20:42,800
Speaker 19: practice is being physical running the football, and then making

1705
01:20:42,840 --> 01:20:45,759
Speaker 19: sure that that showed up in the script on Friday

1706
01:20:45,760 --> 01:20:47,760
Speaker 19: and Saturday when you went through the walkthrough and you

1707
01:20:47,800 --> 01:20:51,240
Speaker 19: went through your first thirty or first fifteen plays, and

1708
01:20:51,360 --> 01:20:54,599
Speaker 19: it was just a matter of being accountable to each

1709
01:20:54,600 --> 01:20:57,400
Speaker 19: other and also with the coaches being accountable to you,

1710
01:20:57,520 --> 01:20:59,680
Speaker 19: saying you know what I remember Brian dave Ball was

1711
01:20:59,720 --> 01:21:02,720
Speaker 19: off his coordinator in the beginning of his tenure. He

1712
01:21:02,880 --> 01:21:05,519
Speaker 19: loved to throw the ball like all offensive coordinators, but

1713
01:21:05,560 --> 01:21:07,439
Speaker 19: he would always tell us we want to be physical,

1714
01:21:07,520 --> 01:21:09,160
Speaker 19: we want to run the ball, and so we just

1715
01:21:09,200 --> 01:21:11,200
Speaker 19: kept reminding him like, hey, you want to be physical,

1716
01:21:11,600 --> 01:21:13,680
Speaker 19: you want to be tough. That's who we want to

1717
01:21:13,680 --> 01:21:16,200
Speaker 19: be in Cleveland, Like, you can't tell us that and

1718
01:21:16,200 --> 01:21:18,600
Speaker 19: then have nine out of the first fifteen.

1719
01:21:18,160 --> 01:21:19,519
Speaker 10: Plays be called passes.

1720
01:21:19,920 --> 01:21:22,400
Speaker 19: Right, Like, let's make sure that we're following through with

1721
01:21:22,680 --> 01:21:24,920
Speaker 19: saying who we want to be. And I think with

1722
01:21:24,960 --> 01:21:28,640
Speaker 19: this team, the emphasis needs to be let's not beat ourselves.

1723
01:21:28,680 --> 01:21:30,599
Speaker 19: We want to be tough, we want to physical, we

1724
01:21:30,640 --> 01:21:33,680
Speaker 19: want to run the ball, but penalties are unacceptable.

1725
01:21:34,360 --> 01:21:36,120
Speaker 10: Done period. That's it.

1726
01:21:36,360 --> 01:21:40,639
Speaker 19: No penalties because that's something that we can control. No drops,

1727
01:21:40,840 --> 01:21:44,000
Speaker 19: that's something that we can control. And then from there,

1728
01:21:44,520 --> 01:21:47,120
Speaker 19: it's a mindset. It's an attitude that you have to

1729
01:21:47,160 --> 01:21:49,400
Speaker 19: have that every play, I'm going to get the better

1730
01:21:49,400 --> 01:21:51,720
Speaker 19: of the guy across from me. And maybe I'm going

1731
01:21:51,760 --> 01:21:53,280
Speaker 19: to screw up the play, maybe I'm not going to

1732
01:21:53,320 --> 01:21:55,160
Speaker 19: take the right footwork, but you know what, I'm going

1733
01:21:55,240 --> 01:21:57,720
Speaker 19: to do it in a physical, tough manner because this

1734
01:21:57,800 --> 01:21:59,479
Speaker 19: is the identity that we're trying to create.

1735
01:22:00,520 --> 01:22:05,240
Speaker 3: You mentioned the penalties, Okay, in your experience, what is

1736
01:22:05,280 --> 01:22:07,120
Speaker 3: the most effective way to do it?

1737
01:22:07,160 --> 01:22:07,360
Speaker 2: Is it?

1738
01:22:07,360 --> 01:22:09,400
Speaker 3: Are you yanking guys out of games? Are you saying

1739
01:22:09,520 --> 01:22:11,479
Speaker 3: you do this in practice, you're running, You're going to

1740
01:22:11,520 --> 01:22:15,000
Speaker 3: be inactive. We're finding you what is actually what actually

1741
01:22:15,000 --> 01:22:18,799
Speaker 3: does it? Because let's be honest about we commit penalties

1742
01:22:19,280 --> 01:22:22,880
Speaker 3: every years. Who we are we've dropped the ball every year.

1743
01:22:22,960 --> 01:22:25,360
Speaker 3: We finally cleaned up to take giveaways two games in

1744
01:22:25,400 --> 01:22:27,960
Speaker 3: a row. That's fantastic, that's welcoming. But we've been, you know,

1745
01:22:27,960 --> 01:22:30,559
Speaker 3: one of the worst turnover teams years in a row.

1746
01:22:31,040 --> 01:22:34,080
Speaker 3: So what's the most effective way to actually reach players?

1747
01:22:34,160 --> 01:22:37,200
Speaker 3: Because it feels like we're searching for that answer.

1748
01:22:38,200 --> 01:22:38,400
Speaker 10: Yeah.

1749
01:22:38,400 --> 01:22:40,519
Speaker 19: I don't like the idea of like making guys run,

1750
01:22:40,600 --> 01:22:45,080
Speaker 19: because I think that can sometimes be counterproductive. But I

1751
01:22:45,120 --> 01:22:47,559
Speaker 19: think what you need to do is you need to

1752
01:22:47,600 --> 01:22:51,160
Speaker 19: be annoying from a coaching standpoint, to the point where

1753
01:22:51,960 --> 01:22:54,719
Speaker 19: every single meeting you're bringing up the penalties, who created

1754
01:22:54,760 --> 01:22:58,080
Speaker 19: the penalties, calling them out of meetings, holding them accountable,

1755
01:22:58,360 --> 01:23:00,639
Speaker 19: and like to the point where guys are of hearing

1756
01:23:00,680 --> 01:23:01,799
Speaker 19: about who had a penalty.

1757
01:23:01,840 --> 01:23:03,599
Speaker 10: In practice, you're keeping track of that.

1758
01:23:03,720 --> 01:23:05,559
Speaker 19: You're making sure that that's the first thing you talk

1759
01:23:05,600 --> 01:23:07,840
Speaker 19: about in your meetings when you come back and you

1760
01:23:07,920 --> 01:23:11,720
Speaker 19: review the tape, like you can't emphasize everything. That's one

1761
01:23:11,760 --> 01:23:14,200
Speaker 19: of the things that I took from coach pett and

1762
01:23:14,320 --> 01:23:16,040
Speaker 19: Mike Petton when he was our head coach. He said,

1763
01:23:16,080 --> 01:23:17,719
Speaker 19: you know, football is a game of a million things,

1764
01:23:17,760 --> 01:23:19,400
Speaker 19: but if you try to coach a million things to

1765
01:23:19,680 --> 01:23:21,880
Speaker 19: the players, they're going to get nothing out of it.

1766
01:23:22,360 --> 01:23:25,360
Speaker 19: You can only emphasize really like one thing out of

1767
01:23:25,360 --> 01:23:27,280
Speaker 19: time because that's the thing that they're going to hear

1768
01:23:27,320 --> 01:23:29,760
Speaker 19: the most. And so that's what I would do if

1769
01:23:29,760 --> 01:23:33,000
Speaker 19: I was the coach in that position, and I would

1770
01:23:33,000 --> 01:23:35,120
Speaker 19: start every meeting with a penalty report.

1771
01:23:34,880 --> 01:23:35,719
Speaker 10: From the day before.

1772
01:23:36,400 --> 01:23:38,840
Speaker 19: If it's Monday, it's a penalty report from the game,

1773
01:23:39,120 --> 01:23:42,120
Speaker 19: and have those guys that created the penalties maybe stand

1774
01:23:42,200 --> 01:23:45,160
Speaker 19: up in front of their teammates and explain what happened

1775
01:23:45,160 --> 01:23:47,400
Speaker 19: and why they had a penalty, right, because in the end,

1776
01:23:47,439 --> 01:23:50,599
Speaker 19: the accountability is always the greatest when it's your teammates,

1777
01:23:50,600 --> 01:23:52,640
Speaker 19: your coworkers, your friends that are the ones that are

1778
01:23:52,640 --> 01:23:53,640
Speaker 19: holding you accountable.

1779
01:23:54,080 --> 01:23:55,960
Speaker 10: And I don't know, I've never been on a team

1780
01:23:56,000 --> 01:23:57,439
Speaker 10: that did that. I just thought of that at the

1781
01:23:57,479 --> 01:23:59,160
Speaker 10: top of my head, but I'm like, you know, pretty

1782
01:23:59,160 --> 01:23:59,760
Speaker 10: bread to do it.

1783
01:24:00,320 --> 01:24:02,040
Speaker 19: They stand up in front of a juror of your

1784
01:24:02,040 --> 01:24:04,880
Speaker 19: peers and tell us what happened and why you're trying

1785
01:24:04,920 --> 01:24:05,639
Speaker 19: to kill this team.

1786
01:24:06,000 --> 01:24:06,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like it.

1787
01:24:06,800 --> 01:24:09,920
Speaker 3: Why is running potentially counterproductive just because you could get

1788
01:24:09,960 --> 01:24:12,519
Speaker 3: somebody well, because it feels like.

1789
01:24:12,479 --> 01:24:13,559
Speaker 10: It's very high school.

1790
01:24:13,640 --> 01:24:13,760
Speaker 4: Now.

1791
01:24:13,920 --> 01:24:18,439
Speaker 19: I don't think like, uh, it's something that would injure

1792
01:24:18,479 --> 01:24:21,639
Speaker 19: a guy or something. I just think there's it's way

1793
01:24:21,640 --> 01:24:23,960
Speaker 19: way more efficient to have a guy stand up in

1794
01:24:23,960 --> 01:24:26,880
Speaker 19: front of his peers and embarrass him. To be totally honest,

1795
01:24:27,120 --> 01:24:30,040
Speaker 19: I think that if you make guys run, there gonna.

1796
01:24:29,800 --> 01:24:32,400
Speaker 10: Feel like it's it's like high school Harry.

1797
01:24:32,479 --> 01:24:34,639
Speaker 3: You know, I remember the guy from the Giants who

1798
01:24:34,680 --> 01:24:35,639
Speaker 3: was the head coach of the Giants.

1799
01:24:35,640 --> 01:24:38,680
Speaker 2: It was a special teams coach of the Patriots. Oh

1800
01:24:38,720 --> 01:24:40,759
Speaker 2: my gosh, I can picture I can see his face.

1801
01:24:41,000 --> 01:24:41,800
Speaker 2: Why can't I say?

1802
01:24:42,320 --> 01:24:44,880
Speaker 3: It'll come anyway when they came here for joint practices

1803
01:24:45,040 --> 01:24:47,000
Speaker 3: and we kind of whooped up on him and he

1804
01:24:47,040 --> 01:24:49,280
Speaker 3: made them all run, and you could like it was

1805
01:24:49,439 --> 01:24:52,560
Speaker 3: palpable that they were like done with him.

1806
01:24:52,880 --> 01:24:55,000
Speaker 19: Yeah, I think that's That's one of the things, like

1807
01:24:55,439 --> 01:24:57,559
Speaker 19: if you're on a team that's winning, you can do anything.

1808
01:24:57,640 --> 01:24:58,759
Speaker 10: You can make guys run.

1809
01:24:58,600 --> 01:25:01,240
Speaker 19: And you know if they have penalty and you can

1810
01:25:01,600 --> 01:25:03,720
Speaker 19: preach whatever you want and guys are going to buy in.

1811
01:25:04,040 --> 01:25:06,320
Speaker 19: So it's much harder to get guys to buy in

1812
01:25:06,880 --> 01:25:09,760
Speaker 19: when you are losing, When you feel like you're overmatched

1813
01:25:09,800 --> 01:25:13,040
Speaker 19: in these games. And I think in those situations, if

1814
01:25:13,080 --> 01:25:17,080
Speaker 19: now guys are losing practice time because they're running because

1815
01:25:17,120 --> 01:25:22,160
Speaker 19: of penalties, it can be something that is counterproductive because

1816
01:25:22,160 --> 01:25:23,880
Speaker 19: you're starting to lose the locker room a little bit,

1817
01:25:23,880 --> 01:25:27,280
Speaker 19: you're losing your influence over those guys, and it becomes

1818
01:25:27,360 --> 01:25:32,040
Speaker 19: less of a player driven initiative, Whereas like if you've

1819
01:25:32,040 --> 01:25:35,000
Speaker 19: got your captains there and they're in the beginning of

1820
01:25:35,040 --> 01:25:38,960
Speaker 19: a meeting and there's they're having like Okay, you know,

1821
01:25:40,520 --> 01:25:43,479
Speaker 19: Joe Thomas left tackle, why don't you stand up there?

1822
01:25:43,720 --> 01:25:45,840
Speaker 19: And this is coming from the other leaders, the other

1823
01:25:45,920 --> 01:25:48,040
Speaker 19: captains and tell us why you jumped off sides in

1824
01:25:48,080 --> 01:25:51,320
Speaker 19: this situation Like that would be humiliated to me. And

1825
01:25:51,360 --> 01:25:52,880
Speaker 19: now it's going to be the front of my mind

1826
01:25:52,880 --> 01:25:55,599
Speaker 19: when I'm going through practice and when I'm going into

1827
01:25:55,600 --> 01:25:57,720
Speaker 19: the games, like, wow, this is really important, Like I

1828
01:25:57,760 --> 01:26:00,559
Speaker 19: don't want to have to talk to my the jury

1829
01:26:00,560 --> 01:26:04,479
Speaker 19: of my peers and admit my mistake and explain to

1830
01:26:04,520 --> 01:26:06,880
Speaker 19: them why I lost the game, Like that would be awful,

1831
01:26:07,439 --> 01:26:08,439
Speaker 19: way worse than running.

1832
01:26:08,439 --> 01:26:11,519
Speaker 2: And I think if you just make you're the ho.

1833
01:26:12,280 --> 01:26:14,639
Speaker 19: I not listen to this dude anymore. This he doesn't

1834
01:26:14,680 --> 01:26:16,679
Speaker 19: know what he's talking about. He's running a high school program.

1835
01:26:16,920 --> 01:26:19,160
Speaker 3: You're the huff though, and you would get embarrassed to

1836
01:26:19,240 --> 01:26:20,719
Speaker 3: stand up because you had one penalty.

1837
01:26:20,760 --> 01:26:23,080
Speaker 2: But that's what makes you great. That's also has he's

1838
01:26:23,080 --> 01:26:25,640
Speaker 2: also holds himself accountable. Yes, but I don't think of

1839
01:26:25,760 --> 01:26:26,639
Speaker 2: their own standard.

1840
01:26:26,720 --> 01:26:29,840
Speaker 3: I don't think there are fifty three Hofs in the

1841
01:26:29,880 --> 01:26:34,000
Speaker 3: average NFL locker room. And from a from a mentality standpoint.

1842
01:26:34,640 --> 01:26:36,200
Speaker 10: I think you're right. But I think that's why you

1843
01:26:36,280 --> 01:26:37,520
Speaker 10: have to build that mentality.

1844
01:26:37,520 --> 01:26:41,120
Speaker 19: Maybe right that maybe the mentality is built by making

1845
01:26:41,160 --> 01:26:45,599
Speaker 19: them stand up there and pleading their case to their

1846
01:26:45,600 --> 01:26:47,600
Speaker 19: peers why they feel like they should still be in

1847
01:26:47,600 --> 01:26:50,679
Speaker 19: the position they're in even though they're creating penalties which

1848
01:26:50,840 --> 01:26:54,080
Speaker 19: we know are leading directly to losses because, like you said,

1849
01:26:54,320 --> 01:26:57,680
Speaker 19: our margin of air, especially on offense, is enormously thin.

1850
01:26:58,040 --> 01:27:01,480
Speaker 19: So the things that we can control, the U penalties,

1851
01:27:02,040 --> 01:27:05,160
Speaker 19: the drop passes, the missed assignments like those are the

1852
01:27:05,160 --> 01:27:07,840
Speaker 19: things that you just have to reiterate over and over

1853
01:27:07,880 --> 01:27:11,639
Speaker 19: and over again and build the accountability within the guys, like, hey, look,

1854
01:27:11,720 --> 01:27:14,200
Speaker 19: you're letting your teammates down when you don't make this

1855
01:27:14,280 --> 01:27:16,760
Speaker 19: the most important thing that you're thinking about going into

1856
01:27:16,840 --> 01:27:17,160
Speaker 19: a game.

1857
01:27:17,560 --> 01:27:19,320
Speaker 2: Time for the Trench Report, brought to you by Big

1858
01:27:19,360 --> 01:27:21,960
Speaker 2: Fig the mattress made for war crafted and Cleveland just

1859
01:27:22,080 --> 01:27:25,360
Speaker 2: like our Browns. Let's focus on one big important note.

1860
01:27:25,439 --> 01:27:29,400
Speaker 2: Our buddy Joel Buttonio Hoff. He tied you. He's one

1861
01:27:29,439 --> 01:27:32,800
Speaker 2: hundred and sixty seventh career start, so he will break

1862
01:27:32,840 --> 01:27:36,120
Speaker 2: the record Sunday. What does it mean to you to

1863
01:27:36,120 --> 01:27:38,479
Speaker 2: have him join you on that list? And then on

1864
01:27:38,560 --> 01:27:41,200
Speaker 2: Sunday pass you Yeah.

1865
01:27:41,040 --> 01:27:43,040
Speaker 10: Shout out to the great Joel Buttonio Man.

1866
01:27:43,240 --> 01:27:45,840
Speaker 19: I love that guy as a human, as a football player,

1867
01:27:45,840 --> 01:27:49,439
Speaker 19: as a Cleveland Brown, and it brings me great joy

1868
01:27:49,560 --> 01:27:52,599
Speaker 19: that he's up there, moving up the list, getting closer

1869
01:27:52,600 --> 01:27:55,160
Speaker 19: to the top of the list for all time starts

1870
01:27:55,200 --> 01:27:59,360
Speaker 19: in a Brown's helmet. He deserves every bit of accolade

1871
01:27:59,400 --> 01:28:02,280
Speaker 19: and praise he's had. I hope he continues to play

1872
01:28:02,320 --> 01:28:05,200
Speaker 19: and continues to make a case for himself as a

1873
01:28:05,200 --> 01:28:07,360
Speaker 19: Hall of Famer, because I definitely want to go and

1874
01:28:07,400 --> 01:28:09,640
Speaker 19: party at his Hall of Fame party. Guys, well, he

1875
01:28:09,680 --> 01:28:11,679
Speaker 19: deserves it, and two it would be a really fun party.

1876
01:28:12,160 --> 01:28:14,160
Speaker 19: I would be able to enjoy it again in the

1877
01:28:14,640 --> 01:28:15,559
Speaker 19: way that I did.

1878
01:28:16,320 --> 01:28:18,439
Speaker 2: Yes, he did. The bar is the haff had a

1879
01:28:18,439 --> 01:28:20,200
Speaker 2: good time. I didn't know this yet. The bar is

1880
01:28:20,280 --> 01:28:25,000
Speaker 2: high for quite literally everybody there. It was like sixteen candles.

1881
01:28:25,280 --> 01:28:27,800
Speaker 2: For God's sake, you're Halloween or your your Hall of

1882
01:28:27,800 --> 01:28:30,080
Speaker 2: Fame party. Everybody had a great time with the best study,

1883
01:28:30,360 --> 01:28:34,320
Speaker 2: the best on a serious stuff. Frank, He was, Frank,

1884
01:28:34,360 --> 01:28:38,559
Speaker 2: that's right, Hof, How do you what type of challenge

1885
01:28:38,600 --> 01:28:41,479
Speaker 2: is this now? For Kevin? You got Miami coming in.

1886
01:28:43,280 --> 01:28:46,599
Speaker 2: How do you not lose? How do you keep everybody

1887
01:28:46,680 --> 01:28:49,479
Speaker 2: rolling in the same direction here? Because this, I mean

1888
01:28:49,479 --> 01:28:51,559
Speaker 2: one in five is one and five. Everybody can see it.

1889
01:28:53,400 --> 01:28:53,639
Speaker 10: Yeah.

1890
01:28:53,840 --> 01:28:56,599
Speaker 19: I was thinking about this the other day because close

1891
01:28:56,640 --> 01:28:59,080
Speaker 19: with Luke Fickele at Wisconsin and obviously they're in a

1892
01:28:59,120 --> 01:29:02,439
Speaker 19: similar situation. And I was like, you know, if I

1893
01:29:02,520 --> 01:29:05,160
Speaker 19: ran into Luke trick or treating here in a couple

1894
01:29:05,200 --> 01:29:07,639
Speaker 19: of weeks, which our kids usually tri or treat together,

1895
01:29:07,640 --> 01:29:10,160
Speaker 19: I'm like, you know, if we started talking ball, what

1896
01:29:10,479 --> 01:29:14,200
Speaker 19: And he asked me like, hey, I know you've been

1897
01:29:14,200 --> 01:29:15,200
Speaker 19: on some losing teams.

1898
01:29:15,280 --> 01:29:17,040
Speaker 10: Maybe he would be kind about it. Maybe'd be like

1899
01:29:19,280 --> 01:29:20,439
Speaker 10: you were in a similar position.

1900
01:29:20,520 --> 01:29:22,320
Speaker 19: You know, how did you guys get through this, how

1901
01:29:22,360 --> 01:29:25,640
Speaker 19: did you make yourself better? And I go back to

1902
01:29:25,760 --> 01:29:27,200
Speaker 19: like one of the things that I talked to my

1903
01:29:27,280 --> 01:29:29,519
Speaker 19: kids about, like if you if your brain is ever

1904
01:29:29,600 --> 01:29:33,760
Speaker 19: feeling like you're disorganized and you're feeling anxious and stressed, Like,

1905
01:29:33,800 --> 01:29:36,880
Speaker 19: how do you get back to feeling calm where you

1906
01:29:37,080 --> 01:29:39,960
Speaker 19: can be productive and you can feel like you're moving

1907
01:29:39,960 --> 01:29:43,280
Speaker 19: in the right direction and everything's under control. And it's

1908
01:29:43,320 --> 01:29:46,280
Speaker 19: about focusing on one thing at a time. It's trying

1909
01:29:46,320 --> 01:29:49,559
Speaker 19: to instead of focusing on everything at once and the

1910
01:29:49,600 --> 01:29:51,960
Speaker 19: big things and the stress and the anxiety of being

1911
01:29:51,960 --> 01:29:55,280
Speaker 19: one and five and where the season's headed, like not

1912
01:29:55,400 --> 01:29:59,000
Speaker 19: thinking about that, but think about an identity.

1913
01:29:58,880 --> 01:30:01,040
Speaker 10: Who are we? What do I want to do?

1914
01:30:01,400 --> 01:30:04,400
Speaker 19: And find little things that you can work towards each

1915
01:30:04,479 --> 01:30:07,760
Speaker 19: day and then each week. Instead of talking about, hey,

1916
01:30:08,520 --> 01:30:10,000
Speaker 19: we need to win this game and this is how

1917
01:30:10,000 --> 01:30:12,000
Speaker 19: we're going to do it, think about like who we

1918
01:30:12,040 --> 01:30:14,960
Speaker 19: want to be. Who is the player and the team

1919
01:30:15,000 --> 01:30:17,479
Speaker 19: that I want to go out there on a Saturday

1920
01:30:17,560 --> 01:30:21,160
Speaker 19: or a Sunday and I want the fans to say

1921
01:30:21,640 --> 01:30:24,240
Speaker 19: this is what I'm seeing out there. And I think

1922
01:30:24,280 --> 01:30:27,280
Speaker 19: from the Brown standpoint, I think it's really important to

1923
01:30:27,400 --> 01:30:29,800
Speaker 19: say we want to be the most physical team on

1924
01:30:29,880 --> 01:30:32,600
Speaker 19: any field that we play on, and that will be

1925
01:30:33,240 --> 01:30:35,840
Speaker 19: what they can focus on. We want to be the

1926
01:30:35,840 --> 01:30:38,880
Speaker 19: most physical, We want to be the most detailed team

1927
01:30:39,200 --> 01:30:42,200
Speaker 19: that makes the least amount of self inflicted wounds. Like

1928
01:30:42,280 --> 01:30:43,920
Speaker 19: if you can just say, that's who we're going to be.

1929
01:30:44,000 --> 01:30:46,200
Speaker 19: That's what we're going to focus on every single day.

1930
01:30:46,400 --> 01:30:49,799
Speaker 19: And we're going to create a game plan that's creative

1931
01:30:49,880 --> 01:30:52,040
Speaker 19: enough but simple enough where we're not going to make

1932
01:30:52,040 --> 01:30:54,640
Speaker 19: any mistakes because that's who we want to put on

1933
01:30:54,720 --> 01:30:57,719
Speaker 19: tape for the rest of the season. And so I think,

1934
01:30:57,920 --> 01:31:00,479
Speaker 19: like we talked about earlier, like we want to be

1935
01:31:00,520 --> 01:31:01,240
Speaker 19: a physical team.

1936
01:31:01,320 --> 01:31:02,280
Speaker 10: How are we going to do that?

1937
01:31:02,560 --> 01:31:05,080
Speaker 19: Well, it's how we practice, it's how we approach meetings,

1938
01:31:05,320 --> 01:31:07,799
Speaker 19: it's how we call our plays, it's how we rotate

1939
01:31:07,840 --> 01:31:10,360
Speaker 19: our personnel in different situations.

1940
01:31:10,560 --> 01:31:11,760
Speaker 10: And you know what, when we do get to the

1941
01:31:11,760 --> 01:31:13,240
Speaker 10: red zone, we're going to throw it a little bit.

1942
01:31:13,320 --> 01:31:16,320
Speaker 19: But you know what, put it on the offensive line, right,

1943
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Speaker 19: put it on those big guys up front, put it

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Speaker 19: on quinch On. We're going to give them the football

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Speaker 19: and we're going to give them an opportunity to create

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Speaker 19: a name for themselves within the NFL about you know what,

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Speaker 19: that Cleveland offensive line, that run game, they're tough. I

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Speaker 19: don't know if they're going to rush for one hundred

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Speaker 19: yards every single week, but if I'm a defense, I

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Speaker 19: don't want to see them because they're going to run

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Speaker 19: through my face and out the backside. And I just

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Speaker 19: think that that's like what you have to focus on.

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Speaker 19: You have to focus on creating that identity every single day,

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Speaker 19: in every meeting, and every time you walk on the field.

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Speaker 2: It's going to be a tough task. That's what he's

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Speaker 2: got to do.

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Speaker 5: Though.

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Speaker 2: He's got to do that going forward, and we'll see

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Speaker 2: what happens this week. Off. Always great to talk to you,

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Speaker 2: my friend. Appreciate the Joe Thomas out half hour of

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Speaker 2: the program. Tell Luke to hang in there up there

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Speaker 2: and uh and we'll do it again soon, buddy. Thanks

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Speaker 2: for your time.

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Speaker 10: Hey, guys, I appreciate it.

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Speaker 19: I always feel just a little bit better after we

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Speaker 19: have our Monday morning chats.

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Speaker 2: Just there you go. That's the Joe Thomas half hour

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Speaker 2: the program, and that is Cleveland Brown's Daily. Thanks for listen, everybody.

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Speaker 2: Cleveld Brons Daily eight fifty

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Speaker 1: ESPN Cleveland you've been listening to Cleveland Browns Daily, a

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