Speaker 1: Look mad, oh, I see you? Why and look over there?
Speaker 1: How is that culture? Yes? Goodness, ding dongs, cultures calling
Speaker 1: Mo and Yang. When I opened up my eyes this morning,
Speaker 1: the very first thing I did was let out a squeal.
Speaker 1: You squealed, NATed, like an excited sound at a high pitch,
Speaker 1: like a seal or something. I can hear it. I
Speaker 1: can hear it. Now, Wow, talk talk me through. Well,
Speaker 1: I've just been so excited because this is a moment. Well,
Speaker 1: first of all, we should both say that we're both
Speaker 1: on her free seven day yes, and very much enjoying it.
Speaker 1: In fact, I recently I was talking to a friend
Speaker 1: the other day and they were having an issue and
Speaker 1: I specifically used us from our guests UM exercises. That
Speaker 1: was very helpful. And she's told me that it was
Speaker 1: very helpful for her. And we'll get into it because
Speaker 1: I am genuinely, like very inspired and like feel moved
Speaker 1: in the right direction by seeking out this person's content
Speaker 1: outside of what she is best known for. Now, here's
Speaker 1: actually the deal. If you don't watch Survivor, you may
Speaker 1: not be aware of our guests. But if you do
Speaker 1: watch Survivor, this is a legendary moment. For this podcast
Speaker 1: and beyond. Yeah, yeah, it's it's a it's a big deal.
Speaker 1: And again she was asking us if we not not
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say fair weather viewers, but she was asking
Speaker 1: us to we watched every season and we had to
Speaker 1: sort of level with her and be like, well, really,
Speaker 1: Quarantine has accelerated us on the syllabus that is her
Speaker 1: seasons of Survivor first and foremost as like the as
Speaker 1: like the Nucleus, and then we just sort of branch
Speaker 1: out into other ones and then you know, it's it's
Speaker 1: it's the honest truth. But it's impacted us in such
Speaker 1: a way. In that moment, we had to level with her.
Speaker 1: We had to say, look, have we watched every season
Speaker 1: every year? No? But has Quarantine pushed me into so
Speaker 1: far into the fandom that it is a concern for
Speaker 1: those around me, including my loved one Jared Freeder and
Speaker 1: my boyfriend. He said to me he came over the
Speaker 1: house about two weeks ago and we were watching I
Speaker 1: think Cagayan the incredible season and we finished the season
Speaker 1: and I would like, wow, that was amazing, and he
Speaker 1: was like, I don't think I can watch another episode
Speaker 1: like we've watched like ten, fifteen thousand in a row,
Speaker 1: and I said, Okay, well then I don't think it's
Speaker 1: too late for you to go home. And he had
Speaker 1: to go at that point because it's it's been so
Speaker 1: what's Kip kept me together during this quarantine? I think
Speaker 1: everyone has these has little things like maybe people are
Speaker 1: doing creative, creative outlets. I find that I'm so busy
Speaker 1: outside of quarantine that I'm using this as a I
Speaker 1: found Survivor and it was so like my north Star
Speaker 1: and I forgot what an incredible television show. It was
Speaker 1: on every level. And I pointed out to you, and
Speaker 1: your journey has been one I've been very excited to watch. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: all of it has revolved around our guests. Why should
Speaker 1: say and um, you know we we kind of mourned
Speaker 1: that the journeys sort of at its end. We should
Speaker 1: say it's it's it's been resolved for her, but it's
Speaker 1: it's what we'll talk about it. Well, it's truly there
Speaker 1: are moments that are Shakespearean you and I have talked about.
Speaker 1: In every season, there's a least one scene that's like
Speaker 1: how was that not a written dialogue? But there's I
Speaker 1: think my favorite let's just bring her into this. We
Speaker 1: gotta bring her in and I'm I have the credits,
Speaker 1: and then we will talk all things with our guests. So,
Speaker 1: like I said, widely considered to be one of the
Speaker 1: best Survivor contestants of all time. After placing six on
Speaker 1: soever Cook Islands, she returned to disoever Micronesia fans for
Speaker 1: US favorites and won the title of Soul Survivor, and
Speaker 1: in the process of doing so, made iconic moves that
Speaker 1: are talked about to this day. Then, a couple of
Speaker 1: seasons later, came back with probably the biggest target on
Speaker 1: her back anyone's ever had, and still managed to come
Speaker 1: in second. Arguably, we can argue that she should have
Speaker 1: won that season. I am in that count. I'm sure
Speaker 1: she is as well, but I'm sure she's made peace
Speaker 1: with it. I hope that she has will discuss it.
Speaker 1: And then she just competed in the recent iconique season
Speaker 1: Winners at War, the Survivor's forty ye season. Outside of that,
Speaker 1: she's an internationally renowned yoga teacher, life coach, motivational speaker,
Speaker 1: incredible human overall that we are so thrilled to have
Speaker 1: and host and um author of a children's book on
Speaker 1: the honor. You can get Articulation books dot com, which
Speaker 1: mine is on the way. I actually bought the limited
Speaker 1: edition signed version. I'm gonna buy the sign version for
Speaker 1: Ali for my niece. Yes, and I'm giving it to
Speaker 1: Raymond Jared's nephew after I read it, of course, because
Speaker 1: I feel and I really want to talk about the book,
Speaker 1: because I heard about the genesis of the book and
Speaker 1: I really want to dig into that and so much
Speaker 1: else and so much else. So everyone, please welcome into
Speaker 1: your ears party. Hello. Oh my god, guys, I'm so
Speaker 1: excited to talk to you. I feel like I just
Speaker 1: won an Academy Award by that introduction. Honestly, you are
Speaker 1: a bigger start to me than Julia Roberts yourself, and
Speaker 1: I feel that you are the Julia Roberts of Survivor
Speaker 1: in many ways. You know, we're both from Georgia. So
Speaker 1: that's so you where from Where in Georgia are you from?
Speaker 1: I grew up in Marietta, Georgia, Marianna. That's far from
Speaker 1: that's nuts north Atlanta. No, yeah, it's like thirty minutes
Speaker 1: north of Atlanta. Okay, got it, got it? So my
Speaker 1: sisters in Dunwoody. So I'm gonna send her on the
Speaker 1: honor in Dunwoodie and it's gonna it's gonna be a
Speaker 1: full circle thing. Oh my god, what a great gift.
Speaker 1: I'd like to go and just knock on her door
Speaker 1: and read the story to her personal Honestly, I think
Speaker 1: the young would be moved by that. By that one.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I love the idea of the book. Can
Speaker 1: you talk a little bit about the book and like
Speaker 1: also about what was the idea for? How how how
Speaker 1: it came to be? Okay, So it's kind of funny
Speaker 1: because I had to leave my ten month old baby, yeah,
Speaker 1: little girl, to go back and play Survivor season forty,
Speaker 1: which was the Winners at War, which, as you mentioned,
Speaker 1: was an iconic season. All twenty of the greatest winners
Speaker 1: of all time come together to battle it out. So
Speaker 1: I'm like, the bomo is so real. If I don't
Speaker 1: go back, you can regret this for my whole life.
Speaker 1: So I go back and voted out promptly at a
Speaker 1: swap that did not go well for me but had
Speaker 1: nothing to do with you. Could it have been worse?
Speaker 1: It was so bad. It could have been worse. But
Speaker 1: we could talk about this, but we feel the deck
Speaker 1: was stacked against you and also the old school players,
Speaker 1: but just in terms of numbers and in terms of
Speaker 1: the personalities, like the Wendle of it all. It just
Speaker 1: sort of like irks me still to all the wind
Speaker 1: of it all truly bothers us because I also thought
Speaker 1: Michelle could have been thrown a vote and Wendell that
Speaker 1: was where you were supposed to come in exactly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if he was really there for his girl ride or die,
Speaker 1: let's talk about that. Any who. I was voted off
Speaker 1: and then I had to go thrive on the edge
Speaker 1: of extinction, which is just it was like a zombie
Speaker 1: paradise really, like Tyson was walking dead. Danny is just
Speaker 1: shriveling away. So everyone it is we really had She
Speaker 1: looked like she had a hard time. Yeah. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: didn't go well for Danny either. Ethan, my dearest darling friend, Ethan,
Speaker 1: who survived cancer twice, is sitting down next to me
Speaker 1: saying this is worse than cancer. No, you know, Oh
Speaker 1: my god, but did you guys get at least one
Speaker 1: dame in Ponderosea, Like what was the deal there? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I mean once the game is over, then I think
Speaker 1: it's stay thirty six. Then they put us all in
Speaker 1: a speed boat and we speed over to ponder Oas
Speaker 1: and eat our faces off and drinking. But before that,
Speaker 1: you're on the edge and like how bad is it?
Speaker 1: Because I feel like we see like we get cut
Speaker 1: two's of like you living like sort of like a
Speaker 1: very bad life there. But I don't think they get
Speaker 1: into like just how bad it is. It's like demoralizing
Speaker 1: already to get voted off, so you feel like if
Speaker 1: you it depends on how you were voted off. So
Speaker 1: my vote off wasn't a total blindside. I saw it coming,
Speaker 1: so it wasn't that big of an in the phase.
Speaker 1: But it depends. So you give voted off, you already
Speaker 1: feel bad about yourself, and then you're on this island
Speaker 1: of other rejects who it's like loser island. You're in
Speaker 1: pravatory and the food situation is so bleak where we
Speaker 1: would have to walk over like slippery rocks where the
Speaker 1: tide would come up and climb up a mountain like
Speaker 1: a mountain of staircases and then all the way up
Speaker 1: to the highest peak and then you'd get this tiny
Speaker 1: portion of rice, and then you have to bring it
Speaker 1: all the way back down over the slippery rocks, and
Speaker 1: then you have to build a fire, so you have
Speaker 1: to gather your firewood, you have to do everything that's
Speaker 1: required to start your fire, and then you cook the rice.
Speaker 1: By time you cook it, you're like fully emaciated, all right,
Speaker 1: like you've already burned off all the calories you're going
Speaker 1: to get from that little handful of rice. And sometimes
Speaker 1: the tide would be up too high, so a production
Speaker 1: would be like you can't go right now to go
Speaker 1: get your rice. Sorry, So your l in terms of food,
Speaker 1: you just do not get it. Yeah, which is why
Speaker 1: peanut butter factored in such a huge way this season. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was hugely popular peanut butter on the edge. It
Speaker 1: seems to be the dish of Joanana from the gods,
Speaker 1: Like peanut butter is a huge success here on the edge.
Speaker 1: I mean, you guys have no idea. And it looked
Speaker 1: just chunky. It was a chunky as peanut butter. It
Speaker 1: was so it was like Costco's like you want you
Speaker 1: bought a peanut butter jar bigger than your head, and
Speaker 1: it was like heaven. It's like heaven on Earth because
Speaker 1: there's nothing to do there, and so the peanut butter
Speaker 1: situation became an extra layer of the game. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: was reward basically. Oh, there was no reward challenges. There's
Speaker 1: a challenges on Edge of Extinction. There's nothing. You're just
Speaker 1: it's like quarantine, but you're also starving. Yeah, wow, thank
Speaker 1: you for putting into perspective. That was another thing. Well,
Speaker 1: and so you're there and Ethan is saying he's miserable.
Speaker 1: He's like like feels like he's like truly like going
Speaker 1: through it all over again, and it's like messing with him. Yes,
Speaker 1: So I sit down and I talked to Ethan and
Speaker 1: I'm like I'm there with my buddy, and I'm just like,
Speaker 1: are you going to to pull the flag? Are you
Speaker 1: out of here? And he's like, I can't do it.
Speaker 1: I can't Like what would my community think, Like, I
Speaker 1: can't be a quitter. And I was like, all right,
Speaker 1: we're gonna get your mind right, we're gonna keep you positive.
Speaker 1: Invit him to do yoga with me when meditating every day,
Speaker 1: just to have a momentary reprieve from the desolation of
Speaker 1: our present situation. And it was super helpful. So when
Speaker 1: I got home, I wanted to offer a gift to
Speaker 1: my daughter for having been gone for over a month
Speaker 1: and a half. And so I sat down and I
Speaker 1: write this story ohm the Otter, and it's really inspired
Speaker 1: by my time with Ethan on the Edge of Extinction,
Speaker 1: where it's like I'm basically embodying on the Otter, where
Speaker 1: he's just this adorable, playful, fun little you know, not
Speaker 1: to like say all these great things about myself, but
Speaker 1: I love almost like hot, almost like really like looking
Speaker 1: started running down the beach like almost an icon, almost
Speaker 1: almost a cultural icon, wearing his high top sneakers, crystal necklace,
Speaker 1: and he's like, let me show you what's up. So
Speaker 1: he runs down and he sees his buddy Davo, who's
Speaker 1: a dingo from down Unda, and that's Ethan, and dab
Speaker 1: was looking sad, and om just pulls up next to
Speaker 1: dav and he was like, here, I'm gonna share with you.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be with you, may be present with you,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna breathe with you. We're gonna have a moment
Speaker 1: where you can start to let go of this you know,
Speaker 1: sadness or whatever you're feeling. And start to become present
Speaker 1: with your own heart and start to let your mind lift.
Speaker 1: And there's breathing techniques through the book. So it was
Speaker 1: just it was fun to kind of work through that
Speaker 1: whole like edge experience with Om and Davu and then
Speaker 1: also bring it back for my daughter because she's outrageous.
Speaker 1: She's almost two years old, and she does not stop moving.
Speaker 1: She's challenge, She's training for a challenge constantly. I'm looking
Speaker 1: for a venture like her mom. Yeah, definitely, I have
Speaker 1: my work cut out for me with her. So we
Speaker 1: sit together and she'll do the breathing techniques in the book.
Speaker 1: That's great, and I'm like, oh, this is really rad.
Speaker 1: So I just want every other parent and family to
Speaker 1: have this experience with their kids. What I love the most,
Speaker 1: And I thought about it like this morning as I
Speaker 1: woke up, I was like, oh, I love the the
Speaker 1: language around home, helping a friend with difficult feelings, not
Speaker 1: like good or bad, not bad feelings or not feelings
Speaker 1: that are qualified by like shame or anything, but just
Speaker 1: like feelings that are just hard, like you have to
Speaker 1: sort of sort through and um label and figure out
Speaker 1: and and then But that's that just generalizes in a
Speaker 1: way where it's like you can, you can just do
Speaker 1: these exercises no matter what you're feeling, and hopefully it
Speaker 1: gives you some reprieve. Yeah, And I wanted to make
Speaker 1: it really clear that it's not the kid's responsibility to
Speaker 1: make it better for the other person, right, So the
Speaker 1: home isn't trying to make it better for Dabho. He's
Speaker 1: simply sitting with him and being with him as Dabo
Speaker 1: has this hard, difficult emotional experience, and then offers him
Speaker 1: this golden egg, which is basically like a like a
Speaker 1: magical kind of of trink it where Dad can hold
Speaker 1: it and start to become more and more present with
Speaker 1: his own breath and his own sensations in his body,
Speaker 1: so he can start to let go of those difficult
Speaker 1: feelings himself. But it's not the kid's responsibility to me, right,
Speaker 1: And that's actually really important. And I also love that
Speaker 1: it just really stresses this the power of being a
Speaker 1: good friend and being there physically or emotionally with that person.
Speaker 1: And I just that really resonated with me when I
Speaker 1: read what it was about, because I remember that I
Speaker 1: had like a tough moment a few years ago where
Speaker 1: I had like an anxiety attack after getting off a plane.
Speaker 1: And I was with a friend and I'll just never forget.
Speaker 1: We weren't like super close friends, but she just sat
Speaker 1: with me and breathed with me, and I'll never forget
Speaker 1: that experience of like someone just being there for me.
Speaker 1: And so I love that the book is going to
Speaker 1: instill that in really young kids because it's that that
Speaker 1: is a such a formative time. So just that compassion
Speaker 1: being instilled, that was I love that. Yeah, And people
Speaker 1: don't know what compassion means, No, they do not these days, girl,
Speaker 1: The children have forgotten compassion. The adults have forgotten compassion. Yes,
Speaker 1: well we we actually refer to all the adults as
Speaker 1: the children. So I have to ask you, like, because
Speaker 1: after becoming such a fan of you on the show
Speaker 1: and then finding like your content offline and now being
Speaker 1: influenced by you in this way, it really feels like
Speaker 1: two different people sometimes, like the party that they have
Speaker 1: created in the edit, who is this you know, winner
Speaker 1: of Survivor who like used her whiles and like was
Speaker 1: cut throat and like then got put on the villains
Speaker 1: tribe and still clawed her way alongside Russell, Like you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, and even controlled Russell, the biggest
Speaker 1: bad villain of all. And then I had to wonder,
Speaker 1: do you think that part of seeing yourself depicted that way?
Speaker 1: What did that do to you? Like? What's it like
Speaker 1: to watch yourself characterize on television like with the music
Speaker 1: underneath you and all that, Like what does that do?
Speaker 1: What is their dissonance? Is it? Does it? Does it
Speaker 1: sort of like go against the ways that you self identifying.
Speaker 1: That is such a good question. Yah, going deep girl,
Speaker 1: this last cultures and we're happy to have you. We
Speaker 1: want to ask all the questions. I love. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: it's it's really such an interesting question. And you know,
Speaker 1: for most people, you go through your life, you don't
Speaker 1: have to rewatch yourself back and hear the criticism of
Speaker 1: how people really feel about you as they watch you
Speaker 1: and depicted as this character. So at the time in
Speaker 1: my life when I was on Cook Islands, Micronesia and
Speaker 1: Heroes Villains, I was in my twenties, which was a
Speaker 1: huge I don't know about you guys, but for me,
Speaker 1: it was like I was creating my identity at that
Speaker 1: can confirm Yeah, it's like who am I? I don't
Speaker 1: let me just try something and see how it goes.
Speaker 1: So I was like, oh, I'll just you know, I'll
Speaker 1: use what I know, which was flirting. And I was
Speaker 1: working as a bartender and waitressing and I got tips
Speaker 1: through charming people and flirting. That how I made money.
Speaker 1: So I just used that same exact thing on Survivor
Speaker 1: and they turned me into this like black widow, diabolical,
Speaker 1: like crush all the men, rip their hearts and eat
Speaker 1: them alive and all those things. And I watched and
Speaker 1: I was like, Oh, is am I really that? So
Speaker 1: it was kind of a identity crisis for me where
Speaker 1: I was like, wait, do I even know who I am?
Speaker 1: I actually have no idea because I thought that I
Speaker 1: was a really like, kind and generous and fun person.
Speaker 1: I mean, I know that I have certain talents in
Speaker 1: the male department at this point in my life, but
Speaker 1: ultimately they will do what we say, right, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm talking about. So yeah, it was a huge
Speaker 1: like moment for me of kind of an awakening that
Speaker 1: was like, oh, well, is this who I want to
Speaker 1: be moving forward? And is there some way to create
Speaker 1: more depth in my life? And am I gonna How
Speaker 1: am I going to do that? And What's where is
Speaker 1: this going to lead me? So it really woke me
Speaker 1: up to start act asking a lot of questions of
Speaker 1: myself of if I keep going in this direction, where
Speaker 1: do I end up? And I didn't want to be
Speaker 1: like this alcoholic real housewife who just like cared about
Speaker 1: my Louis Vuitton bags, and it wasn't It's not me sure,
Speaker 1: So I had I had a moment where I was like,
Speaker 1: I don't I didn't like the backlash that I was getting.
Speaker 1: I didn't like how they portrayed me as like just
Speaker 1: running people over and not caring, especially guys. And I
Speaker 1: was like, I'm gonna do something about this. So I
Speaker 1: just I got into yoga, I got into meditation, I
Speaker 1: started going to therapy. Guys. I mean, I've really been
Speaker 1: on a journey of self discovery. I think Survivor put
Speaker 1: me on this path. I really feel that from from you.
Speaker 1: And so that's why I'm so happy and excited to
Speaker 1: talk to you about it, because I was really thinking
Speaker 1: about how even when so after you win Micronesia, you
Speaker 1: are now not only do you have like the image
Speaker 1: that they've created of you, but you're also well known
Speaker 1: as one of the best players of the game deservedly, so,
Speaker 1: I mean Micronesia, I think is like up there with
Speaker 1: some of the most masterful plays in terms of season long.
Speaker 1: The way you won was just so incredible. So not
Speaker 1: only do you have the reputation for being good, but
Speaker 1: you also have this reputation for being a character. So
Speaker 1: when you go back to Heroes Versus Villains, did you
Speaker 1: find yourself sort of playing the character or did you
Speaker 1: find yourself playing the game? How did that sort of negotiate?
Speaker 1: I always go in to play the game first and foremost.
Speaker 1: It's funny because I go out on the island and
Speaker 1: then I kind of forget that the cameras are around
Speaker 1: because I get so absorbed into this game. And at
Speaker 1: that point I was reading the forty eight Laws of Power,
Speaker 1: the Art of Persuasion. I was like, I have to
Speaker 1: know all of these tactics in order to win this game,
Speaker 1: because at that point in Survivor's history it was all
Speaker 1: about socio dynamic. It's changed a lot now it's there's
Speaker 1: more advantages and unexpected twists. So something falls out of
Speaker 1: the sky and it's like this is a super idol,
Speaker 1: which is good for the rest of the game. Like
Speaker 1: what is happening. What happens to people talking? Yeah, well
Speaker 1: they've really fast tracted. Jeff Probs is now the executive producer,
Speaker 1: and he loves throwing throwing more twists and turns into
Speaker 1: the games. Yeah we we actually, we actually love Jeff
Speaker 1: Probes in this house. We respect and stand. But the
Speaker 1: fact of the matter is, like, I feel like what
Speaker 1: would have been fun for season forty is if they
Speaker 1: had gone all the way back to basics, no idols
Speaker 1: know nothing. But you're you're a purists mindset, Matt. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: it turns out the new school players wouldn't have done
Speaker 1: as well if that was the case. Sure, well, I mean,
Speaker 1: I what I like about Survivor. I'm going to generalize,
Speaker 1: but for the most part, it seems like the way
Speaker 1: it treats its players and the way it treats the
Speaker 1: people you see on screen, it it doesn't it leaves
Speaker 1: them with their dignity in a way. It's not like,
Speaker 1: let's say, this is not the best one to one comparison.
Speaker 1: It's not like a bachelor bachelorette situation where it's like
Speaker 1: people are like abjectly humiliated in some in some way,
Speaker 1: shape or form. At some point like it feels like
Speaker 1: everybody on Survivor, And what I what I like about
Speaker 1: it tonally is that it's not It's not a show
Speaker 1: that's meant to embarrass anybody or bring them to their load,
Speaker 1: to like to bring them down so low. And so
Speaker 1: I feel like, I don't know, I just really respect
Speaker 1: the show for giving people an opportunity to just like
Speaker 1: evaluate the narrative that they see being produced of themselves
Speaker 1: and then being like, Okay, well I can either accept
Speaker 1: that or I can balance it with what I know
Speaker 1: to be true within myself. Does that make sense? Yeah?
Speaker 1: And the thing is what Survivor too, is you go
Speaker 1: in as a contestant. You have to if you want
Speaker 1: to win, then you have to go in considering all
Speaker 1: the multiple layers of game that you're playing, so you
Speaker 1: have your own Okay, so nature is one rival basically
Speaker 1: you have you're going to be pushed your edge physically.
Speaker 1: You have no food, very little food. You have like
Speaker 1: really gross well water that's so yucky and has a
Speaker 1: very distinct Survivor flavor that you I hope never have
Speaker 1: to taste, and then you're sleeping in the dirt. I mean,
Speaker 1: there was one scene where I had a spider on
Speaker 1: my head at night, which is like, oh, I wish
Speaker 1: they wouldn't have showed me that, because I have to
Speaker 1: live with that forever inating my dreams, I know. So
Speaker 1: there's nature, and then you also have like your own body.
Speaker 1: How does your body react when you don't have any food?
Speaker 1: Like I don't know about you, but I get angry.
Speaker 1: And other people don't think straight when they're pushed to
Speaker 1: the edge like that physically. And then in addition to that,
Speaker 1: you have the other contestants that you're playing with, so
Speaker 1: you never know. They always cast for people that are
Speaker 1: from totally different realms of life, so they want to
Speaker 1: have as much drama and conflict as possible without having
Speaker 1: to produce it or created because they don't script anything.
Speaker 1: And then you have the challenges and the actual gameplay,
Speaker 1: and then you have the idols, and then you have
Speaker 1: Jeff Probes, who is either on your side or not
Speaker 1: on your side, and you can feel that as a contestant,
Speaker 1: you feel like you do Yeah, I think he loves
Speaker 1: you now. But in the in the beginning, he was like,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, you're so perceptive, Matt Well, I mean,
Speaker 1: let's say this, He's come a long way, because I
Speaker 1: actually was really impressed with him calling himself out on
Speaker 1: the finale of Winners at War because and that whole
Speaker 1: discussion was really well worth having at this the Lisena discussion,
Speaker 1: I think was like a beautiful encapsulation of the progress
Speaker 1: that he's made. I think, Oh yeah, well, I mean
Speaker 1: the thing with Survivor is very masculine dominant, and it's
Speaker 1: so oriented to honor and celebrate the masculine in everyone. Right,
Speaker 1: So the women that are given the most time on
Speaker 1: screen and in the game is the women who are
Speaker 1: CrossFit dominating. Yeah, it's not like the soft you know,
Speaker 1: Kim and I go back and we're like crying about
Speaker 1: our babies. They never show that we have to k
Speaker 1: This is the thing people. People actually overlook One World
Speaker 1: and they have to watch One World because a Kim
Speaker 1: Spradlin is one of the best winners ever and be
Speaker 1: that season is serving you Comma d you cannot believe
Speaker 1: some of these people live in the world bow when
Speaker 1: you haven't seen One World. This young girl Coulton that
Speaker 1: they have on the show, Oh my word, wow, you
Speaker 1: love a Culton. Anyone named a Coulton. That's actually real
Speaker 1: culture number you love anyone, Okay, but this is this
Speaker 1: is can I just say really quickly and this is
Speaker 1: the scene that I was referencing earlier before we brought
Speaker 1: poverty on. To go back to your point about it
Speaker 1: being this like male masculine game. Um, my favorite moment,
Speaker 1: one of my favorite moments in all of TV. I
Speaker 1: want to hyper this is my This is Micronesia, season sixteen,
Speaker 1: episode eleven. You and James come on bibliography, James r
Speaker 1: Jay girl did the research. This this this is this
Speaker 1: is the apple eating die down. Know I just like
Speaker 1: I just like we're obsessed with the show now, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like we've just recently found it again.
Speaker 1: And so I think both Bowen and I have like
Speaker 1: a little bit of addictive personalities. So now I'm what
Speaker 1: I'm being a completionist about it. And when he was
Speaker 1: watching that season, we were texting each other saying that
Speaker 1: exchange between you and James is so it really boils
Speaker 1: it down to like that that dynamic of like James
Speaker 1: looking at you like I really expected better from you
Speaker 1: almost and you being like, well, I don't understand why
Speaker 1: I can't play the game the same way that you can.
Speaker 1: And also it's funny that you wouldn't expect me to
Speaker 1: play the game as well as you. Yes, and it's
Speaker 1: the way that you are talking to arguably one of
Speaker 1: the most physically capable players ever on the show. Um,
Speaker 1: but then James is superhuman. Yeah, it's what you can tell,
Speaker 1: you can tell. But it's just it's just and this,
Speaker 1: this is the thing that we're saying. It's like this
Speaker 1: is out of like a Madman episode. It's like, there's
Speaker 1: always gonna be someone who bites the apple. Why can't
Speaker 1: you just leave the apple alone and enjoy the heavens? Well,
Speaker 1: hopefully stay around hopefully. Sorry, sorry because you because you
Speaker 1: wouldn't give me credit for having a plan anyway, what
Speaker 1: an exchange. And then also then then how he is
Speaker 1: like you basically called that out. You're like, you think
Speaker 1: that I'm stupid, you think you have an assumption about
Speaker 1: me that's not true. And then he's like, no, I
Speaker 1: didn't say that. I didn't say that. I said you
Speaker 1: were selfish. It's like, well, you have to examine the
Speaker 1: whole way that you have. He got got, and I
Speaker 1: feel like he got got and also AZZI got got
Speaker 1: and the way that he spoke to you, what did
Speaker 1: it feel like the way he spoke to you with
Speaker 1: that tribal council, Oh my god, was brutal. And what
Speaker 1: you didn't see what did not make the edit is
Speaker 1: Azzie stood up and asked me to do an interpretive day. Yes,
Speaker 1: I heard about this for how it felt to have
Speaker 1: been to have betrayed a friend over greed. Was it
Speaker 1: a thing where he wanted to humiliate you? Sorry? Yeah, yeah, okay.
Speaker 1: She literally said, dance for me. That's that's that's that
Speaker 1: was his where he was at right. Well, and I think,
Speaker 1: honestly it just it does show the evolution of the
Speaker 1: game now that because people didn't respect my game before,
Speaker 1: and it took a while for people to start to
Speaker 1: become fans of me and of how I played and
Speaker 1: how we've gotten the women together and done some really
Speaker 1: incredible things that you know, had never been done in
Speaker 1: the history of Survivor before, but we didn't get any credit.
Speaker 1: I certainly didn't have any accolades until probably years afterwards,
Speaker 1: where like the culture I think has shifted enough where
Speaker 1: women are now given like more respect for having intelligence
Speaker 1: and a strategic mind and really being willing to be
Speaker 1: brave and challenge the status quo and not have to
Speaker 1: bow down and play this nice girl role. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm glad if I helped kind of lay some bricks there,
Speaker 1: because I know, girl power, we gotta get up and
Speaker 1: take stands for ourselves. You really did. And also in
Speaker 1: the casting of heroes versus villains and how they put
Speaker 1: put the tribes together, I'm like, this is so interesting
Speaker 1: to me. That and this it's like, we're weird to
Speaker 1: qualify people as that anyway, because Survivor just in the
Speaker 1: inherent like tenants of the game, it's like you have
Speaker 1: to be both of those things in different moments, and
Speaker 1: it's about that complexity in the gameplay. So they put
Speaker 1: you on the villains tribe. Meanwhile Amanda and Surree are
Speaker 1: put on the heroes tribe alongside some other people, where
Speaker 1: I was like, is Candice a hero? That's interesting to me?
Speaker 1: I never thought about it like that. Actually, at this point,
Speaker 1: she mutinied on cook Islands made out with Adam like hello, no,
Speaker 1: not cute, But here's what happened to the Survivor. They
Speaker 1: with casting, it's so funny because they have these themes
Speaker 1: like they'll cast people and then they'll be like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: we gotta make a theme right, right, and so they
Speaker 1: just put this theme together here versus done. It's like, okay,
Speaker 1: now we have to make our cast fit this theme.
Speaker 1: How are we gonna do that? So you can tell
Speaker 1: which typically you can tell which team or tribe you're
Speaker 1: gonna be on based on the color that you are
Speaker 1: allowed to have from wardrobe. So they made me get
Speaker 1: blue for everything, like blue grays whatever, like cool colors. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I had that great top. I had lists like
Speaker 1: blue bikini, and the night before the game starts, They're like,
Speaker 1: I had a yellow bikini for press photos because you
Speaker 1: have to have two bikinis, one for press one for
Speaker 1: the game. So I'm wearing a yellow bikini for my
Speaker 1: press photos, Like you're gonna need to wear your yellow
Speaker 1: bikini for the game. And I was like, oh weird.
Speaker 1: They swopped me in Candice the day me on the
Speaker 1: villains tribe and you know why, It's because they didn't
Speaker 1: want you working with your girls exactly. And I mean
Speaker 1: there were four of us from my Carnesia on that tribe.
Speaker 1: Was James, Amanda answering I would have been in there
Speaker 1: around the house. Natalie was also on deck right that season.
Speaker 1: Oh yes, Natalie better. She deserved better. She's really very crafty.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think if the story of the whole
Speaker 1: of Micronesia is like you and the way that you
Speaker 1: kind of like really put together that alliance and like
Speaker 1: from bringing Alexis to Natalie in and also with Serria
Speaker 1: Amanda and just the expert way that you did that,
Speaker 1: I think that an underdog for like story of that
Speaker 1: season is the way that Natalie played, because I think
Speaker 1: I think Natalie Bolton deserved more, and I know that
Speaker 1: she was like on the island for Heroes versus Villain
Speaker 1: was you're really going through the archives, girl, I'm going
Speaker 1: deep down deep better. She was in Ponderosa. So the
Speaker 1: place that we hang out before the game starts, they
Speaker 1: call it Ponderosa, And so you're there for probably three
Speaker 1: or four or five days kind of just not talking
Speaker 1: to anyone because you're on a agord because they're not
Speaker 1: filming anything. They don't want any interactions between people, so
Speaker 1: just sitting next to people, just giving them a side,
Speaker 1: I like, kind of checking them out. Natalie's sitting there
Speaker 1: drinking her coffee and I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: I hope she's playing fun. Yeah, she's so fun. She's
Speaker 1: so fun to watch. She gives great confessionals and she
Speaker 1: makes big moves and it's like works great in teams,
Speaker 1: like fun to watch. Such a babe. I had a question,
Speaker 1: This actually is a question I asked my sister, who's
Speaker 1: also a huge fan. I was like, what do you
Speaker 1: want to ask Parverty And she was like, she wants
Speaker 1: to know if it's a person that you've been You've
Speaker 1: always been kind of like a in a team like
Speaker 1: you you really do, like you have your alliance member
Speaker 1: and then you work in a team really well. Is
Speaker 1: there someone that you've worked with in the game of
Speaker 1: Survivor that's been your favorite person to work with? Oh? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was Amanda. She was the best. Oh. It was
Speaker 1: like she and I could read each other's minds. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I didn't even have to say anything. She was like,
Speaker 1: got you. I was like, how do you? How do
Speaker 1: you have You can't even script a relationship like that.
Speaker 1: And we hadn't even met ever before the game, and
Speaker 1: it was just like instant chemistry, instant connection. She and
Speaker 1: I were like day one, here's what we're doing. You're working, Assie,
Speaker 1: I'm working. James We're gonna pull in Surrey. Here we go, like,
Speaker 1: that's our game. Wow. And you hadn't even seen China
Speaker 1: at that point because it wasn't air it wasn't brought. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't think that China had even started airing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we didn't didn't know her or James. But I was
Speaker 1: just like, this guy is pretty cute. Yeah, he's literally
Speaker 1: the hottest man alive. Everyone that I tell to watch Survivor,
Speaker 1: the number one thing I get is where parv nation.
Speaker 1: And the second thing I get is James is small,
Speaker 1: the hottest man in the world, literally literally crazy, and
Speaker 1: he digs graves by hand still to this day. Wait,
Speaker 1: how does that work? He has a shovel and he
Speaker 1: just digs grapes in Louisiana. Still. Yeah, it's his family
Speaker 1: business us and he has not like gotten into the
Speaker 1: technology of this century. So he's he's just so like
Speaker 1: an old school grave digger. When he first had a baby,
Speaker 1: he sent me a picture of him with his baby
Speaker 1: and like his baby Bjorn digging a grave with the
Speaker 1: baby in his pouch, dangling over, dangling over a plot.
Speaker 1: So you keep in touch with people from the show
Speaker 1: or do they become your friends in real life, Like,
Speaker 1: you know, the relationships inside the game we see, but
Speaker 1: what happens after. Yeah, some people, I mean Ozzie and
Speaker 1: I have certainly buried the hatchet. I saw him at
Speaker 1: the farmer's market a couple of weeks ago, and you
Speaker 1: did not. Yeah, we just chit chatted with our masks
Speaker 1: on six feet apart. Wow, that is so funny. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: in l A, there's a lot of survivors running around,
Speaker 1: so you're gonna jump into a few. I mean, I
Speaker 1: married Ron, so I see one every day. You married
Speaker 1: John Fincher, who was on SAMOA. Oh my god, you
Speaker 1: know everything. I mean, I'm like the thing about the
Speaker 1: survivor fandom, which I didn't realize until we started watching
Speaker 1: it was and we would kind of go on Instagram
Speaker 1: and just like say our takes or whatever the amount legion, legion.
Speaker 1: The feedback that we got was like, yeah, whoa, it's great.
Speaker 1: It's like a great vocal fan base, which is what
Speaker 1: you want out of anything. Oh yeah, it's perfect. Like
Speaker 1: I'm like I don't mind. I'm like okay, yeah. Like
Speaker 1: people have their opinions like this is great, like this
Speaker 1: is an active whatever. The community of people well, I
Speaker 1: think what it is too, and you guys can tell
Speaker 1: me if this is your experience. But when you're sitting
Speaker 1: at home watching the show and you see people get
Speaker 1: this opportunity, like there was an idol hanging from a
Speaker 1: tree and the choices do you take the idol or
Speaker 1: do you think if this is a trick and walk away,
Speaker 1: like what would you do? And I think you can
Speaker 1: project yourself into the characters or the personalities that you're
Speaker 1: seeing on screen and one archetype that fits you and
Speaker 1: be like, this is me, this is how I would
Speaker 1: be in this adventure, and there's you can sort of
Speaker 1: play the game through your favorite person. Wow, yeah, that's
Speaker 1: definitely true. And then I also think it's always just
Speaker 1: easy to see yourself doing the right thing because you're
Speaker 1: not starving on a beach. You're not like you haven't
Speaker 1: been privy to the edit of the episode. Like, so
Speaker 1: whenever anyone does something quote unquote dumb, I always try
Speaker 1: to take a step back and think, like as someone
Speaker 1: who can appreciate the edited television series I'm watching, like
Speaker 1: they're starving this and you might have done something even
Speaker 1: dumber in a way earlier episode and got voted out
Speaker 1: like trying to like that kind of self awareness is
Speaker 1: what we really validate. So would you give us your necklace?
Speaker 1: Matt Um literally you I might, And then you know, honestly,
Speaker 1: can you can you even imagine? That was so insane?
Speaker 1: It was perfect that it was perfect, Like the sequence
Speaker 1: of events leading up to that was perfect, and like
Speaker 1: the oral history of it all, like that's on like Entertainment. Yes,
Speaker 1: he's talk about her super fan amazing, He's gone down
Speaker 1: for every season, He's covered every season is for Entertainment Weekly,
Speaker 1: and he does these massive write ups and stories for
Speaker 1: like each episode, like do you ever sleep? How do
Speaker 1: you Deserve? Because it's so layered and it's like the
Speaker 1: like the the gameplay is so like manifold and complex
Speaker 1: and it really is like three D chests that everyone's
Speaker 1: playing because I think I don't know. I just to
Speaker 1: know from you. What do you think? What's the quality
Speaker 1: that you think survivor brings out in you anytime you're
Speaker 1: on the island? Is it? Is it? The social aspect
Speaker 1: is that you're using your powers of persuasion, like try
Speaker 1: to tell people what to do. It's really um, I
Speaker 1: think it's the connection to nature and having a complete
Speaker 1: separation from any of your day to day responsibilities. That
Speaker 1: puts me into this space of I am like really
Speaker 1: deeply connected to my intuition, so I can follow. It's
Speaker 1: like guidance just moves me, so I can follow that
Speaker 1: inner guidance. I'm like, oh my gosh, if I feel
Speaker 1: really gored and uncomfortable about having this conversation with this
Speaker 1: person like Wendell or whatever, then I have to do it.
Speaker 1: I have to actually step up, put myself out of myself,
Speaker 1: risk embarrassment, risk looking stupid, and have this conversation that's awkward,
Speaker 1: like that conversation that I had with James after I
Speaker 1: voted Azzie out. Like I have to face the music
Speaker 1: and have those conversations, and that is what moves the
Speaker 1: game forward, because like in real life, I don't love
Speaker 1: conflict and I do not want confrontation in my life,
Speaker 1: so I'll just you know, smile walk away like not interested.
Speaker 1: But on Survivor, I have to show up in a
Speaker 1: totally in just a braver way, yes where socially, especially
Speaker 1: with those social dynamics, I have to say the things
Speaker 1: that maybe I normally wouldn't say, and I have to
Speaker 1: ask for things that normally would feel uncomfortable for me
Speaker 1: to ask for, so it's it is empowering. And then
Speaker 1: watching how the how that moves me forward or moves
Speaker 1: the game forward. I mean inevitably those conversations always make
Speaker 1: the edit, and I'm like, oh my gosh, I felt
Speaker 1: so awkward having that conversation, but look at how it
Speaker 1: showed up. It doesn't actually look awkward on screen, but
Speaker 1: it's just how I felt inside that it was. You know,
Speaker 1: I wanted to um ask too. So speaking of conflict,
Speaker 1: like you, I think, without really knowing who Russell Hans
Speaker 1: was because you hadn't seen his season of Survivor, ended
Speaker 1: up in a extremely close alliance with Russell Hants and
Speaker 1: heroes versus villains, And then you find yourself sitting next
Speaker 1: to Russell Hans and Sandra dis Twine queen at the
Speaker 1: end of the not the queen, she would say, Queen
Speaker 1: stays queen. She's a queen. Man um, We'll give it
Speaker 1: to her she deserves. But there you are, like at
Speaker 1: the end of it, sitting next to Russell and Sandra
Speaker 1: and watching the way that they interacted and sort of
Speaker 1: you in the middle of it all. What was that experience,
Speaker 1: like you know, sad your wins. Russell's there, he feels
Speaker 1: some type of way about it. You can tell that
Speaker 1: you're disappointed, because I think that after watching the season,
Speaker 1: it's pretty clear that you, I think deserve to win.
Speaker 1: But like there's lots of going on. What is that
Speaker 1: situation like navigating that it's it's it's just awkward. I'm
Speaker 1: sitting in the middle of these two. Sandra already won,
Speaker 1: Russell lost, no votes for Russell, and it's over. Now
Speaker 1: they're going at each other and you guys just can't stop.
Speaker 1: It's like the game never stopped with those two ever.
Speaker 1: And for me, it's like when I'm done with the game,
Speaker 1: I breathe this, I really if I just like heavy
Speaker 1: sob and then I move on. I'm like, okay, time
Speaker 1: to see what's next in my life. But I was
Speaker 1: just I was over it. By then. I'd gone through
Speaker 1: the experience of Heroes Villains, which was hard enough, like
Speaker 1: really really scarring and wounding and traumatic for me, and
Speaker 1: then sitting in the finale where they're just like hands
Speaker 1: in my face, I was just like, okay, I walk away,
Speaker 1: get out of here, I mean, and then Sandra and
Speaker 1: the Bone pointed out the other day, like Sandra will
Speaker 1: be an interview is like I hate life, hates him
Speaker 1: too now, but it's it's all it's all in acting,
Speaker 1: that's all facade. I hate likes him and he thinks
Speaker 1: about me all the time, and I don't think about
Speaker 1: him ever except for now while I'm talking about that.
Speaker 1: She is quite iconic. And then you have to you
Speaker 1: have to hand it to the show because truly all
Speaker 1: twenty winners, like you could argue about who should have
Speaker 1: been there whatever, an iconic bunch, and I know we're
Speaker 1: pretty like very distinct. Everyone's very distinct in their own
Speaker 1: unique way. Yeah, and how an interaction between everyone is
Speaker 1: that's really where the magic happens. Truly great and I
Speaker 1: think that like me as like a like a real fan,
Speaker 1: like I of course wanted to see it be like
Speaker 1: old school at the end, Like I would have loved
Speaker 1: if at the end it was like you you rob Sandra.
Speaker 1: You know, that's I think what we all dream of,
Speaker 1: But ultimately it didn't pan out that way. How do
Speaker 1: you feel watching it about the way it shuck out
Speaker 1: with Tony winning and you're own vote for Natalie and
Speaker 1: Michelle receiving no votes, Like, what's your take on the
Speaker 1: season now having seen it? Well, I would have loved
Speaker 1: to have been at the end with all of those
Speaker 1: people as well, like me, Rob Tyson with this baby girl,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that episode. They're just the best and
Speaker 1: just so real, and I don't really get caught up
Speaker 1: in the drama. It's kind of like, Okay, we're just
Speaker 1: going to be friends with whoever we want to be
Speaker 1: friends with and then moving on. But yeah, I loved
Speaker 1: how the season ended. I really, I really did. I
Speaker 1: feel so delighted to have been a part of season forty,
Speaker 1: even though I didn't do like as well as I
Speaker 1: typically tend to do and survivor being at the end
Speaker 1: with Tony, who is so wild and outrageous, and it's
Speaker 1: truly like, no one is making a spy nest in
Speaker 1: a tree? How are you doing this? How are you
Speaker 1: been thinking about that? It's like so freakish that you
Speaker 1: wouldn't even think to look for it, and yet you're
Speaker 1: watching me like, Natalie, look up, look up, he's in
Speaker 1: the tree. It's like, whoever, dude, you walk Okay, the
Speaker 1: guitar sort of proke. I'm thinking about what how that
Speaker 1: would have been for me, like walking to the well
Speaker 1: and having a conversation with Sarah and then just would
Speaker 1: you feel this presence of or would you just be
Speaker 1: so caught up in the conversation that you're having, because
Speaker 1: there's the conversations you have are so intense towards that
Speaker 1: point in the game that like it's all you can
Speaker 1: focus on. So I don't know if I would have
Speaker 1: felt like the hair on the back of my neck
Speaker 1: standing up. I'm telling you, it's like sitting over the
Speaker 1: branch about to fall. And the fact that he took
Speaker 1: a torch, like he made a torch, and Midnight goes
Speaker 1: out hunting for an idol, Like if he found an idol,
Speaker 1: come on, come on, you're not even a human being.
Speaker 1: Who I was like, there's no way, and that I
Speaker 1: was watching it, and I was like, if he finds
Speaker 1: it right now, I'm gonna have to think this ship
Speaker 1: is fixed because it is the pitch black dark of
Speaker 1: the night. You can't black, you can't see a single thing.
Speaker 1: And also there's a lot of crazy sounds happening in
Speaker 1: the jungle at that point. There's like scurrying, there's squaw talking.
Speaker 1: I mean, you don't know what you're gonna put your
Speaker 1: hand in in the middle of the night. It's going
Speaker 1: to be hard no from me, actually on that one.
Speaker 1: Hard no. And here I am saying the other day
Speaker 1: I was like, I think I have to go on.
Speaker 1: I was like, I think I must go on, and
Speaker 1: I think I want to go on. I think you
Speaker 1: should go on. But listen, you have a real shot.
Speaker 1: You're a super fan. You can pull out trivia like
Speaker 1: any super fan that I've seen. Jeff loves that. So
Speaker 1: that's what you really want to lead with in your interview.
Speaker 1: And then also just be like, oh, I'm so dynamic.
Speaker 1: Everyone loves me. Look at how great I like. You
Speaker 1: love me, like, you can't stop thinking about me. Just
Speaker 1: the man, the man would not be able to get
Speaker 1: me off as mine. There's a chance and he he
Speaker 1: doesn't send a chance that nerd anyway. Um wait, okay,
Speaker 1: so we're gonna take a break and then we're gonna
Speaker 1: come back and we're gonna ask party the question that
Speaker 1: the capital T capital Q. Great, and we're back, so
Speaker 1: let's ask poverty the question. And that question is poverty,
Speaker 1: what is the culture that made you say culture is
Speaker 1: for me? Matt what is that question? So basically, this
Speaker 1: is like when you were coming of age, becoming parv.
Speaker 1: This was the culture that entered your life and you said,
Speaker 1: oh wow, I feel moved to to become myself. Maybe
Speaker 1: you didn't know it at the time, but you can
Speaker 1: find it now. Oh my gosh, I am feeling this
Speaker 1: question so much. Yes, okay, So I don't know if
Speaker 1: you guys know this about me, but I grew up
Speaker 1: in a commune basically like a Hindu spiritual community in Florida,
Speaker 1: and it was yoga, we chanted, we ate vegetarian food.
Speaker 1: And then when I turned nine years old, we packed
Speaker 1: up my mom's silver Chevy Spectrum drove up to Georgia
Speaker 1: and we moved to the inner city of g A
Speaker 1: And from there, I was like all my friends were
Speaker 1: black or brown, and I was like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: this is so fascinating. All these new people with all
Speaker 1: these new like tastes and experience food and sounds, and
Speaker 1: I was so curious about it. So I got into
Speaker 1: really got into R and D in a major ways.
Speaker 1: Tony Braxton and Vogue, Mariah carry Whitney, you're talking to
Speaker 1: a full lamb right here. And also, like I am
Speaker 1: in the Emily and like, what's your favorite Maria album?
Speaker 1: My favorite Mariah album? It was the one that was like, honey,
Speaker 1: it was okay. I mean, the old school of the
Speaker 1: fast love it every day of my life. And I
Speaker 1: was so torn. I was like, who do I love more?
Speaker 1: Whitney or Mariah? Whitney and Mariah and they would in
Speaker 1: the radio stations they would have those battles between the two,
Speaker 1: and I want to dance with somebody, like, how do
Speaker 1: you top that? I mean, can you even beat that?
Speaker 1: That's one of the best songs of all time? I mean,
Speaker 1: And also you mentioned Tony Braxton, who I feel the
Speaker 1: children have forgotten Tony. The fact of the matter is Tony,
Speaker 1: you know, that is an iconic voice, a once in
Speaker 1: a lifetime that sounds straight butter, butter. You can't really
Speaker 1: replicate it. I mean, you can't replicate it. But it's
Speaker 1: like you would immediately think Tony Braxton if it was
Speaker 1: that low, that velvety. Yeah, you're like, that's that's a
Speaker 1: throwback to Tony. Can you can you do an impression?
Speaker 1: Don't mean? And then well, the thing about her is
Speaker 1: you don't think that because she comes at you like
Speaker 1: with all of this and then like she also has range,
Speaker 1: like she's belting her ass off to break my heart.
Speaker 1: And I was like, if I could only be like
Speaker 1: these women, like just belt it out and really like
Speaker 1: take a stand and be sexy and strong and sensual
Speaker 1: and total badass. That is what formed my identity. It
Speaker 1: was like sixth grade, seventh grade, eighth grade, R and
Speaker 1: B those ladies and like the groups like s w V.
Speaker 1: Do you remember that w V and Taj from s
Speaker 1: WV was cast on Survivor and I just lost my mind.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, my god, which season I honestly
Speaker 1: don't remember. You guys are probably played. Yes, look it
Speaker 1: up to Wait, why don't I know this either? That's crazy? Yeah,
Speaker 1: get into it, Matt. Wait, Matt, you have to listen
Speaker 1: to STVUV. You have to have es sisters voices seen.
Speaker 1: And yes, now it's all I think. I didn't know
Speaker 1: your brief so weak. Oh that's a Jim. It's so
Speaker 1: fascinating that you say that, like, because I did feel
Speaker 1: like that that like time in the mid nineties, like
Speaker 1: when it really ate good. Oh we were eating Never,
Speaker 1: I guess it was never, not that edge of extinction
Speaker 1: in terms of rich musical culture, you could say it
Speaker 1: was quite the opposite in fact, but it was chunky,
Speaker 1: peanut butter and rich as well. But honestly, like when
Speaker 1: Mariah like found, when Maria like truly the Chrystalists opened
Speaker 1: and Mariah became the Butterfly. There are some tracks on
Speaker 1: Butterfly album like the Roof, like Breakdown, like there are
Speaker 1: there's so much like good, rich, good stuff, and it's
Speaker 1: true like that was the point in time when R
Speaker 1: and B music was truly I think, like running everything
Speaker 1: Brandy to get Brandy. You're like, this is what life
Speaker 1: is about because it was true storytelling and then I'm
Speaker 1: learning so much, yes though, and yes though, but there
Speaker 1: is like also like I remember, like when Christina Aguilera
Speaker 1: came out too, I was like, see this is this
Speaker 1: is the clear choice for me? Yes, I remember, Yeah,
Speaker 1: we we all wanted to. We we all saw ourselves
Speaker 1: on our mind's eye as that. Yeah. But what about
Speaker 1: the Mandy Moore situation when she came out, she came
Speaker 1: out around the same time, was Mandy Moore, Brittany Christina? Yes,
Speaker 1: and then we had Jessica in a distant fourth That's right.
Speaker 1: So Mandy So Mandy is so interesting because I feel
Speaker 1: like she like took a hard left on her third album,
Speaker 1: which do we think that's too early because it was
Speaker 1: because because no third album was when she just did
Speaker 1: pure covers. She did like I feel she did like
Speaker 1: Carol King covers and she did like, um, you know,
Speaker 1: Spanish harlem Mona Lisa's and Manhatters by Elton John. Like
Speaker 1: she was going. She was like basically turning into a
Speaker 1: forty year old white woman by the time she was
Speaker 1: like seven, you know, which we which we love now,
Speaker 1: which we related to, but back then, like an eighth
Speaker 1: grader was like, what is she doing? Yeah, this is
Speaker 1: not pop star, yes that no, but she she actually
Speaker 1: um like Candy. There's some vocal moments on that that
Speaker 1: was high school for me though, So that was a
Speaker 1: little bit after my formative years at the R and
Speaker 1: B moment right right right. And also it's like once
Speaker 1: you've been once you've been in middle school and joining
Speaker 1: the R and B moment Mandy Moore, Mandy Moore isn't
Speaker 1: impressing you with like I'm fdic, yeah, but I will
Speaker 1: say my the gag of her whole discography for me
Speaker 1: is cry well and remember I was gonna say anything
Speaker 1: from a walk to remember, but also what a b
Speaker 1: with you that day? Love and the way that it
Speaker 1: starts where she goes, she goes, and sure, but I
Speaker 1: just can't do It's just such a weird song. Weir,
Speaker 1: what is this? It's crazy? It's crazy. Amanda Moore, Amanda Amanda,
Speaker 1: Amanda Lee Silver scre in Godess. Yeah, I'm just really transformed,
Speaker 1: raking in the dough, as they would say, being the
Speaker 1: lead actress on This is Us. Good for her? Wait,
Speaker 1: can we ask about your parents? Because I love that,
Speaker 1: I love I love the anecdote of in Micronesia you're
Speaker 1: holding up your round for six hours using mantra mantra
Speaker 1: that you that your dad gave you, and like was
Speaker 1: he was? He just kind of like sourcing you with
Speaker 1: like certain things in terms of like being able to
Speaker 1: spiritually psychically like connect to all the dots in your
Speaker 1: head like while you were playing Survivor or like like
Speaker 1: like talk about like how they kind of influenced your gameplay,
Speaker 1: but like what they sort of gave you the tools? Yeah,
Speaker 1: did give Oh we know that story. Dads, they famously
Speaker 1: have tools. It's actually a real culture. Number one and three, Dads,
Speaker 1: they have to I really wanted to join you guys
Speaker 1: on that one, but feel feel free to join anytime.
Speaker 1: It's actually it actually reinforces the rule of culture even
Speaker 1: more when the guest joins in. Okay, So yes, my dad.
Speaker 1: The first time I played in Cook Islands, my dad
Speaker 1: was so fired up about this because he loves camping.
Speaker 1: He's from the woods in New Hampshire. Like they used
Speaker 1: to play games when he was younger where they would
Speaker 1: get a bow and arrow and shoot it up in
Speaker 1: the sky and like dodge it. That was his childhood game.
Speaker 1: That god, that is such like a like fill in
Speaker 1: the blank like dad used to play this. So be
Speaker 1: happy with your video game. Like when I was a
Speaker 1: kid who used to shoot a bow and arrow in
Speaker 1: the sky and it fell down, it would kill you
Speaker 1: if your great day out of the way. So I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: I can't charge your game boy right now while we're
Speaker 1: in the car. Okay, So anyway, when I get when
Speaker 1: I get cast on season thirteen, Micrones, I mean Cook Islands,
Speaker 1: my dad's like pumped. This is his childhood dream from
Speaker 1: true and he is going to live vicariously through me.
Speaker 1: As I throw myself into this adventure. So he calls me,
Speaker 1: He's like, you gotta come home. We gotta train. He
Speaker 1: sets up this um archery set in the backyard with
Speaker 1: like a hay barrel. I mean he lives in the
Speaker 1: suburbs of Georgia. I don't know where he got this hair. Hey, robot,
Speaker 1: he got it. And so he set that up. We're
Speaker 1: doing fire making with flint and a machete. The whole works,
Speaker 1: and he's just like trying to teach me how whittle
Speaker 1: sticks and like build a shelter. He's like, here's an
Speaker 1: a frame. This is how you build an A frame
Speaker 1: was the best to like guard you from the wind.
Speaker 1: And I was just like, okay, Dad, here we go.
Speaker 1: So then when I went back from Micronesia, I mean
Speaker 1: he realized, like survival, okay, nature, I got it handled.
Speaker 1: He taught me all of that the last time. So
Speaker 1: this time I just remember we were just sitting at
Speaker 1: the dinner table and my dad was like, oh, hey,
Speaker 1: you know, just just like off the cuff. Hey, if
Speaker 1: you were ever you know, need need some help out there,
Speaker 1: you should try out this mantra. It's own money pod hump.
Speaker 1: I used to chant it a lot when I was
Speaker 1: in New York City, when my dad's lived multiple lifetimes.
Speaker 1: In his long lifetime, he was a yogi in New
Speaker 1: York City who would just meditate like six seven hours
Speaker 1: a day, and he was part of this like spiritual
Speaker 1: group there and he's like, oh, my money, pud, my home.
Speaker 1: It means the strength of the universe is inside of me,
Speaker 1: So you chant that whenever you need it. And it
Speaker 1: just like it was like a nothing, and then we
Speaker 1: moved on to whatever else when we're talking about and
Speaker 1: I remember in that challenge, I was holding my arm
Speaker 1: up and probably in the first five minutes, I'm starting
Speaker 1: to feel the fire, the numbing, and I'm like, oh this,
Speaker 1: this is going to be challenging. And I knew I
Speaker 1: had to win that challenge in order to pull off
Speaker 1: the whole blindside of Assi. So I was like, all right,
Speaker 1: no one else, everyone's stepping down for peanut butter and
Speaker 1: pikis and milk and chocolate, and I'm like, I have
Speaker 1: to win this. And Jason would not get down because
Speaker 1: he thinks we're going to vote him. Yeah, and he's tough.
Speaker 1: I mean, he was a good challenge competitor. So I'm
Speaker 1: I'm feeling it. I'm like, oh, it was just my
Speaker 1: dad's It just popped into my head. Oh, money pad
Speaker 1: my home, and I was praying. I was like praying.
Speaker 1: I was honestly asking for assistance. I was like, okay, God,
Speaker 1: like can you help me? Like universe gottas like divine
Speaker 1: creative power, please help someone. Anyone's like are you listening
Speaker 1: to me? Like I need your help to keep my
Speaker 1: arm up. I don't know if I can do this,
Speaker 1: And all of a sudden that that mantra popped into
Speaker 1: my head. I start repeating it in my mind and
Speaker 1: I can feel the power of the universe expanding inside
Speaker 1: of me, and I'm like, oh, if I'm the universe,
Speaker 1: I'm going to hold my arm up forever ever. Ye
Speaker 1: did you leave your body? I left my body. I
Speaker 1: don't remember so much of that challenge. I remember seeing
Speaker 1: a butterfly and then like the challenge was over and
Speaker 1: it was ranked out six hours that you held your
Speaker 1: arm up. Yeah, it was. It was a little over
Speaker 1: six hours. And you know what happened after that was
Speaker 1: Jeff and the art department and challenge apartment was like,
Speaker 1: We're never going to have production do this. Challenge like
Speaker 1: this ever again because they don't want to sit there
Speaker 1: and fill it for six hours, so they make it
Speaker 1: harder and harder every time they make the post that
Speaker 1: you have to stand on skinnier like the valance you can.
Speaker 1: He's like, Okay, today we're gonna flip a coin that's
Speaker 1: gonna be a hedge of tails. And if you had
Speaker 1: to get aheads, you get to do the puzzle right
Speaker 1: because we gotta go those long. It's the end of
Speaker 1: an era with the long, grueling endurance challenge, which is
Speaker 1: a bummer because I love those. I mean, I'm so
Speaker 1: good at them. Yeah, I mean, yeah, you really did transcend.
Speaker 1: And then I mean, is that something that you end
Speaker 1: up wanting to engage with like throughout your life? Like,
Speaker 1: I don't, like, you have to be pretty selective with
Speaker 1: the moments in your life where you want to like
Speaker 1: fully leave your body. Oh my god, stop, No, it's
Speaker 1: one of my favorite things to do. Really, yes, how
Speaker 1: often do you do it? Now? I So I practice
Speaker 1: Kundalini yoga, which is a style of yoga that is
Speaker 1: really makes you high. Basically, it builds the strength of
Speaker 1: your nervous system and helps you to be able to
Speaker 1: adapt and handle stress really like helps your expand your
Speaker 1: awareness so you can just do more things in your life.
Speaker 1: And so I really love the style of yoga, but
Speaker 1: it's it's weird, and you have to do weird stuff
Speaker 1: like hold your arms up for X amount of minutes
Speaker 1: and do this certain type of breathing, and it's just
Speaker 1: like you expand out of your body, like the edges
Speaker 1: of your body are totally gone. You don't even know
Speaker 1: where you come and where you go anymore. You turn
Speaker 1: into a pink cloud of love. I've done that before.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I'm just giving away all my goods
Speaker 1: to you guys. But I go to UM. I go
Speaker 1: to this Kundalini yoga festival in New Mexico and they
Speaker 1: do this every year around the summer solstice, and I
Speaker 1: will do three days of this thing called white Ton
Speaker 1: Trick meditation, where you're sitting cross legged in front of
Speaker 1: your partner and there's thousands of people. Everyone's wearing white
Speaker 1: everyone's got a turban on, so you look like a
Speaker 1: total whack job. Some people are wearing crystal headgear that
Speaker 1: they've made homemade themselves. It looks crazy, But the experience
Speaker 1: that I have is transcendent, like I love it, and
Speaker 1: there's no when I'm done with that meditation, the colors
Speaker 1: in the world are so beautiful. Like people explain, I've
Speaker 1: never done to see I've never done an asset, I've
Speaker 1: never done like hallucinogens. Really it sounds, I mean literally
Speaker 1: as people that like that. It sounds like that's what
Speaker 1: you are saying. I was going to ask you if
Speaker 1: you've if you've done that now, I think you guys
Speaker 1: would love it. We'll get into the Cunali Yoga Festival.
Speaker 1: We knew the podcast from there and something. So you're
Speaker 1: saying we can get the same thing we get from LSD,
Speaker 1: except we don't have to drastically change our body chemistry
Speaker 1: with drugs. You don't. You actually change your body chemistry
Speaker 1: by doing this kind of meditation. There's some kind of
Speaker 1: like hormonal changes that happen. I don't. I'm not like
Speaker 1: a neuroscientist, so I can't tell you what exactly goes
Speaker 1: on when you do this, but they do. They've done
Speaker 1: a lot of studies about this specific style of meditation
Speaker 1: in yoga, and the brain changes when you do it,
Speaker 1: and it's like helps you to have a more a
Speaker 1: broader perspective so that you can live your life with
Speaker 1: and like have a connected experience with your own inner divinity,
Speaker 1: your own creative you know wisdom, that life force that
Speaker 1: flows through you and guides you to the best, you know,
Speaker 1: best life possible for you. That is unbelievable. Today, I
Speaker 1: just play you guys, like hi right now, just yes,
Speaker 1: I know I'm a little like I'm listening to you,
Speaker 1: and I'm soothed to be honest. I always talked myself
Speaker 1: out of um, well, many things, but like like with meditation.
Speaker 1: I had an ex boyfriend that got really into it
Speaker 1: after we broke up, and I was just thinking to myself, like,
Speaker 1: oh God, was that me that I caused him to
Speaker 1: go nuts? But he but because I I it was
Speaker 1: just so not a part of my culture, like I'm
Speaker 1: like from like a working class family on a long
Speaker 1: island like where it was just kind of like the
Speaker 1: emotions of it all kind of got swept under the
Speaker 1: rug a little bit, and I didn't really become like
Speaker 1: emotionally in touch with myself until my twenties. And so
Speaker 1: this was the first experience I had being close with
Speaker 1: someone who got really into meditation. But it was such
Speaker 1: a positive change for him, and I I would try
Speaker 1: to do it, and I find that, um, this is
Speaker 1: probably just the beginner thing that people tell you all
Speaker 1: the time. It my mind would just race and I
Speaker 1: could feel like I could never get comm enough to
Speaker 1: a place where I would let it work for me,
Speaker 1: and so I've just never really committed to it. Do
Speaker 1: you have any advice for people who it's probably most
Speaker 1: difficult in the beginning, but want to push past that
Speaker 1: because they want this to work for them. Yeah, totally.
Speaker 1: And that's a that is such a common experience for
Speaker 1: new meditators. I mean, it's just like you have all
Speaker 1: of these patterns and habits in your mind of thinking
Speaker 1: and you haven't ever tried to change them or really
Speaker 1: look at them before. They're just kind of operating in you.
Speaker 1: So it's a natural thing to sit down and just
Speaker 1: be totally wired. So what I would encourage you to
Speaker 1: do is two things. One, get some like physical activity
Speaker 1: before you try to sit down, which is this real
Speaker 1: purpose of yoga is to prepare the body for meditation.
Speaker 1: So your people are doing this more strenuous Spanyasa flow
Speaker 1: yoga classes or Kundalini yoga classes, so that they can
Speaker 1: calm the body down or tie or the body out
Speaker 1: enough that you can have a little more spaciousness in
Speaker 1: the mind and have a little more relaxation in your mind,
Speaker 1: because the body and the mind are intimately connected, right
Speaker 1: The body speaks in the language of feelings, the mind
Speaker 1: speaks in the language of thoughts. They're just trying to
Speaker 1: get your attention. So when you sit down, what you
Speaker 1: want to do is have a little more relaxation in
Speaker 1: the body and then start to get some understanding of
Speaker 1: what you're doing. In meditation, it's like you want to
Speaker 1: know if you're beginning to be a painter, you can
Speaker 1: just go to the store and buy some paints and
Speaker 1: buy a canvas and just start doing it, and it
Speaker 1: might be good or it might be horrible. But if
Speaker 1: you have instruction, or if you have like if you've
Speaker 1: gone through some YouTube videos and learned about like some
Speaker 1: painting basics, then you're just more prepared to sit there
Speaker 1: and be okay with yourself being a beginner and messing
Speaker 1: up and trying over again. So meditation is similar to that,
Speaker 1: where it's like, just learn a little bit about what
Speaker 1: it is what you're trying to do, because what you're
Speaker 1: really trying to do is calm like activate the prefrontal cortex,
Speaker 1: which is your um it's your CEO in your brain. Basically,
Speaker 1: it's your decision maker. It's the like it's the thinking
Speaker 1: part of the brain, the executive functioning. You want to
Speaker 1: activate that, but you want to close down all your
Speaker 1: other senses. So you want to close your eyes. You
Speaker 1: want to draw your attention inward, and you want to
Speaker 1: focus all of your attention here at the front of
Speaker 1: the forehead, so like the third eye area, that like
Speaker 1: mid brain area. And as you do that, these other
Speaker 1: parts of your brain, like the reptilian brain that's responsible
Speaker 1: for habits and survival all those things, starts to calm down.
Speaker 1: The limbic brain, which is emotion, starts to calm down,
Speaker 1: starts to get quiet, and really so then only what's
Speaker 1: really online and what's active is this prefrontal lobe, which
Speaker 1: is where you can start to have some more deeper
Speaker 1: awareness about yourself, like what is this What is causing
Speaker 1: this negative consequence in my life? Like I haven't I
Speaker 1: don't know what's going on, but my relationship is not
Speaker 1: going well. I wonder why that's happening. How am I
Speaker 1: somehow creating this situation, co creating this situation in my relationship,
Speaker 1: you can start to ask yourself questions like that to
Speaker 1: develop some more awareness of how you are ultimately responsible
Speaker 1: for creating your own reality. So it really puts you
Speaker 1: in the power seat of your life doing that, so
Speaker 1: then you can actually make different decisions and choices and
Speaker 1: and actually change your life for the better. You're very
Speaker 1: good at just breaking this down in a very clear way,
Speaker 1: because I've I've always wondered like how to verbalize this
Speaker 1: and that, like it makes complete sense to me. And
Speaker 1: I was watching one of your YouTube videos the other
Speaker 1: day when you were talking references before, but when you
Speaker 1: were talking about scarcity mindset even just like um, which
Speaker 1: is the fixation on what you don't have, and how
Speaker 1: that's ultimately not productive um, and how that's a choice
Speaker 1: to feel that way actually, and it's it's not necessarily
Speaker 1: easy to stop thinking about way it's And when you
Speaker 1: can identify that, you can identify why you're in a
Speaker 1: like toxic holding pattern or you're focusing on negative stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's this false sense of we think we can change
Speaker 1: the thing that we're obsessed over by obsessing over it.
Speaker 1: And it's like, actually it's a trap, but that just
Speaker 1: feeds it more. Yeah, totally. And in quarantine, I think
Speaker 1: that a lot of us are having a lot of
Speaker 1: problems with that because we're just sitting around and with
Speaker 1: not much to do and a lot of a ton
Speaker 1: of uncertainty, and that, of course, like is a breeding
Speaker 1: ground for being alone with ourselves. It's so funny when
Speaker 1: people say, right now, we're quote unquote alone, because I
Speaker 1: think we're not really alone, because we're with the thousands
Speaker 1: of voices in our heads. How have you how have
Speaker 1: you been dealing with the quarantine of it all? Have
Speaker 1: you found yourself like coping with a lot of this
Speaker 1: stuff or do you feel prepared for this or I'm
Speaker 1: wondering where your head is at. Yeah, Honestly, it's been
Speaker 1: super helpful for me because what I've recognized through this
Speaker 1: quarantine experience is how asked I was moving and how
Speaker 1: I was trying to keep up, Like I had this
Speaker 1: external pressure on myself to keep up. And it wasn't
Speaker 1: like I was trying to keep up with other people
Speaker 1: or compete with other people. It was more like myself
Speaker 1: like I was putting all this pressure to keep up
Speaker 1: with myself and like make all these commitments and say
Speaker 1: I saw this stuff and go go go and figure
Speaker 1: out childcare and do the best thing with my baby
Speaker 1: and be the best mom and be the best everything,
Speaker 1: literally everything. And when this quarantine hit, I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm doing that to myself, and it's so stressful to
Speaker 1: live that way, and so it just gave me a
Speaker 1: sigh of relief, honestly to not have to put on
Speaker 1: clothes and go to a social engagement and like make
Speaker 1: sure that my child was getting like puzzles or whatever,
Speaker 1: like brain stimulation. I was like, you know what, she's
Speaker 1: gonna be fine. She's actually okay, Yeah, she's like eating
Speaker 1: just spilling a huge tub of popcorn in my living room,
Speaker 1: literally eating popcorn off the rug. Fine, she didn't we
Speaker 1: all do that as kid? I do that to I
Speaker 1: do this, do that once a week. No, that's great.
Speaker 1: The part because because because the other the corollary I
Speaker 1: guess to the scarcity mindset um lesson I would say
Speaker 1: is that, uh, it's it's slightly more productive to imagine
Speaker 1: how you would feel if you had the thing and
Speaker 1: behave let that affect and inform the behavior from from
Speaker 1: from that place instead of constantly fixitting on the lack. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so it can shift you out of this hamster whiled
Speaker 1: as I was comparing it too, because it's like, if
Speaker 1: we think we're missing something like stay on the edge
Speaker 1: of ex stanction. We don't have food, right, and when
Speaker 1: you start obsessing, like Survivor, people talk about food all
Speaker 1: the time. Production will just sit there and start throwing
Speaker 1: rocks at each other. They're so bored because we're talking
Speaker 1: about smores and like pancakes. Again, we just get obsessed
Speaker 1: about the thing that we're missing. And this happens in
Speaker 1: every aspect of life, like time, money, relationships, jobs. You
Speaker 1: obsess over the thing that you think you're missing, and
Speaker 1: you think, oh, if I just go faster, if I
Speaker 1: try harder than I'll get the thing that I'm missing.
Speaker 1: But just for the mere fact that you're thinking in
Speaker 1: terms of what you're missing means you're going to get
Speaker 1: more of what you're missing. It's like focusing on what
Speaker 1: you don't want. If you're paying attention to what you
Speaker 1: don't want, you're like, I don't want to be single,
Speaker 1: and that's all you think about. You were going to
Speaker 1: be single for the rest of your life, sorry to say,
Speaker 1: so you have to shift over into what would it
Speaker 1: feel like to be in a relationship, like with someone
Speaker 1: who I really loved and cared about, and what would
Speaker 1: we be doing together, and how would we be interacting
Speaker 1: and what would we would be how would we be
Speaker 1: spending our time, what would be staying to each other?
Speaker 1: So I like, did this at one point in my life?
Speaker 1: I did? I wanted a relationship, And so I realized
Speaker 1: that the choices I was making at the time, we're
Speaker 1: not going to lead me towards a healthy relationship that
Speaker 1: healthy period. Cold Turkey cut my man addiction and just stopped.
Speaker 1: And I was like, all right, forty days, I am
Speaker 1: going on a nan clean I am not dating. I
Speaker 1: am not flirting, which was very hard for me. I
Speaker 1: am not perusing the aisles of Whole Foods looking for
Speaker 1: hot guys. I am on a break that they're Girlson's
Speaker 1: toe up. No, okay, that's actually really get the Galson's rule.
Speaker 1: If that's real culture numbers up. Yes, toe up is
Speaker 1: actually one of the phrases that I love the most,
Speaker 1: Like have you seen clueless? Clearly, so the scene with
Speaker 1: Dionne where where um they're they're like playing tennis, and
Speaker 1: Brittany Murphy, the goddess um comes in and she's like
Speaker 1: not looking great, chairs like, oh my god, that's a
Speaker 1: new project. And Dion goes share she is toe are Stuck?
Speaker 1: Would plummet just the best script of all time? But
Speaker 1: toe up is music? Come back? Okay? So and a
Speaker 1: man cleanse. You brought it right back? You just did that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So I'm on a man clans. So while I'm doing this,
Speaker 1: I'm like, I commit to forty a forty day period
Speaker 1: of stopping the obsession. So this is really helpful for
Speaker 1: those of you who have been fixating on things. Commit
Speaker 1: to a period of time. Forty days is good because
Speaker 1: that's enough time to give your brain a chance to
Speaker 1: establish a new habit. So forty days commit and then
Speaker 1: you decide, what is it? What's my purpose here? What
Speaker 1: am I trying to do for me? I wanted to
Speaker 1: create a relationship with someone who could eventually lead towards
Speaker 1: marriage and a family, because it was like I knew
Speaker 1: in my bones I wanted to have a baby, and
Speaker 1: I wanted that so bad. So I did this. I committed.
Speaker 1: I had my intention. I want to create a relationship
Speaker 1: that leads towards marriage. Then I start journaling about it.
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, well, what do I want this guy
Speaker 1: to look like? What do I want to feel like
Speaker 1: inside of this relationship? What do I want us to
Speaker 1: be doing? Like? I wanted someone who was adventurous, who
Speaker 1: was athletic, who liked being outdoors and like doing fun
Speaker 1: things and musical and sporting, and yeah, took a really
Speaker 1: handsome rocket scientist. He's a rocket scis I know, I
Speaker 1: know that, I know this, and as and a gorgeous man.
Speaker 1: He's pretty your journal, your journal, So I journal about
Speaker 1: it and literally, okay, So as I'm going through this
Speaker 1: process for myself, I have I'm tested. I'm tested guys. Yes,
Speaker 1: a couple of guys pop up in my field and
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, that would be fun to engage with. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's going to happen to you if you make this commitment.
Speaker 1: Just know you will reins sport. So that's happening. I
Speaker 1: have to keep bringing myself back to my intention, to
Speaker 1: my commitment to clear the obsession. And I'm journaling and
Speaker 1: at night I'm going to bed and I'm imagine I'm
Speaker 1: like feeling my head laying on this guy's chest. I
Speaker 1: like feeling what it would feel like to have this
Speaker 1: guy in bed with me, like laying there being together.
Speaker 1: And I swear I have this moment where I close
Speaker 1: my eyes and I see in my mind this blue
Speaker 1: flame in outer space and this pink flame in outer space,
Speaker 1: and they're like dancing independently, and then they come together
Speaker 1: and it's this bonfire and then they separate and they
Speaker 1: danced in depend I swear, you, guys, I can't make
Speaker 1: this stuff up. And as we know in the game
Speaker 1: of Survivor, fire is life, fire fire is family. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So then literally a week after I'm done with the
Speaker 1: forty day cleanse, I meet John from Survivor Samoa. We
Speaker 1: are in a car soccer game, Yeah, on the way
Speaker 1: to a soccer game. He slides I slide next to
Speaker 1: him in the back seat, and I'm like, oh my gosh.
Speaker 1: We've met before like once, and it was nothing. And
Speaker 1: then this time I was like in a whole different
Speaker 1: headspace because you know, I did my thing and I
Speaker 1: was so into him, like from right away. He was
Speaker 1: like so comfortable and I just like leay my head
Speaker 1: on his shoulder and I was like, don't do it.
Speaker 1: Part don't do it. Oh my god, that's so funny
Speaker 1: you say that, Like out of nowhere, I knew what
Speaker 1: I wanted to be with my boyfriend and I found
Speaker 1: myself like without even thinking, just kind of going like that.
Speaker 1: I was like, playing yourself. That's the best. Yes. So
Speaker 1: then we were and then we were dating ever since.
Speaker 1: So it's manifestation one oh one. Honestly, I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: literally going to do this, do it forty days now.
Speaker 1: I mean at this point, I mean with quarantine, it's
Speaker 1: just no apps. But like that's that's that's already a
Speaker 1: huge shift. It's a huge lurch into committing to this
Speaker 1: and committing to knowing what I want. It's also this
Speaker 1: thing now where it's like, I mean all we're talking
Speaker 1: about now is like missing human interaction and among other
Speaker 1: things obviously, but it's like, okay, but the more I
Speaker 1: think about not interacting with humans, does that create does
Speaker 1: that set me up for just missing it even more
Speaker 1: or just obsessing over the lack of that. Well, I'll
Speaker 1: tell you how you can tell Do you want to know? Yes,
Speaker 1: we want to know when you're obsessing about something, just
Speaker 1: no is how it makes you feel when you're thinking
Speaker 1: about oh I'm missing interaction and missing humans. Does it
Speaker 1: make you feel like empowered and inspired? What does it
Speaker 1: make you feel like? It makes you feel sad and
Speaker 1: um miserable and like, I mean stress if you want
Speaker 1: to define it as like being uncertain about the future,
Speaker 1: like that's all that that's all that is. It's pure stress. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So from that place, you're going to keep creating more
Speaker 1: of that. So you have to shift your body into
Speaker 1: a state of more like openness, feeling good, feeling more alive,
Speaker 1: feeling more joyful. That's how you can create from that place.
Speaker 1: So you notice, like when you're obsessing over something and
Speaker 1: it doesn't make you feel good, it makes you feel crappy,
Speaker 1: then that's a great signal. That's great. It's like great information.
Speaker 1: There's no judgment around any of this whatever. It's just
Speaker 1: great information for you to notice, oh my gosh, i'm
Speaker 1: doing it. I'm creating more of this crap that I
Speaker 1: don't want. So then you can empower yourself to move
Speaker 1: out of that. And then that's when you hold your
Speaker 1: arm up for six hours and you're like, I'm amazing.
Speaker 1: Oh money, you win immunity in life. You guys are
Speaker 1: learning that well literally yes, I mean like it literally has.
Speaker 1: It's like I mean when I when I got into
Speaker 1: The Housewives, I was like, not much as positive is
Speaker 1: coming from this, but at least it is like it's
Speaker 1: showing people who are like, you know, fully engaging with
Speaker 1: their lives, and like, even if it is conflict driven,
Speaker 1: like at least they're saying in the way they feel,
Speaker 1: and that is something positive that I got from it.
Speaker 1: With Survivor, it's like there, I think the positive thing
Speaker 1: that I get from it is just like understanding people
Speaker 1: and the way that they act and thinking to myself, like,
Speaker 1: this is how people act when they feel that they're
Speaker 1: acting in their own best interest, And it's just very
Speaker 1: interesting as like a social We talked on our last
Speaker 1: episode about how like it's a very interesting microcosm of
Speaker 1: the world Survivor for people, they see what they want
Speaker 1: to see. Oh yeah, well don't we all. And that's
Speaker 1: the thing with Natalie, that's the reason why she didn't win,
Speaker 1: because because she just she didn't give enough. She was
Speaker 1: like of hoarding her coins and and like I still
Speaker 1: voted for her because I just think what she did
Speaker 1: was totally epic. Being able to vote such a good story,
Speaker 1: come back and disrupt in the way that she did.
Speaker 1: She rocks. She she's so much fun, but she's also
Speaker 1: like the reason she didn't win is because she didn't
Speaker 1: get the jurors from the edge. She wasn't like generous
Speaker 1: enough with them, She wasn't willing to give up some
Speaker 1: of her I gotta say, I gotta say, I can't
Speaker 1: stand that um line of thinking because I wanted to
Speaker 1: ask you this too. So I read an interview, an
Speaker 1: exit interview with Sarah Lesina Um, and she was saying
Speaker 1: how she really wasn't aware of the way she was
Speaker 1: coming off to the jury who were on edge until
Speaker 1: Natalie came back into The perception was that Tony was
Speaker 1: running the game and that Sarah would really have to
Speaker 1: distinguish herself in order to have a chance. And then
Speaker 1: we had that moment where Sarah Lesina called out the
Speaker 1: gender bias in the show, when it led to a
Speaker 1: larger discussion. I wanted to ask you, was that the
Speaker 1: reception on the edge of like were people sort of
Speaker 1: running the conversation like it kind of feels through the
Speaker 1: screen like Boston Rob might have been very strong about
Speaker 1: the way he felt about things that the way they
Speaker 1: should go and etcetera. Like, was there was there a
Speaker 1: belief that like Tony was the strongest player and like
Speaker 1: to anyone else, Like what was that? No, I think
Speaker 1: what was happening was Sarah. Yes, Boston, Rob is very
Speaker 1: opinionated and he's always going to tell you how he feels,
Speaker 1: so you just know that's coming. Like when Sophie and
Speaker 1: Kim came back from the game, they were the ones
Speaker 1: who were saying, like, Sarah, I think Sarah's like really
Speaker 1: putting it on, like she says, she says all these things.
Speaker 1: She's trying to create a bond with us, and she's
Speaker 1: using really deeply personal um things to connect with us,
Speaker 1: and it feels icky. That's what they were saying about
Speaker 1: working with Sarah. So they came back and they were
Speaker 1: the ones who were saying it wasn't about Tony being
Speaker 1: the mastermind. It was more about Sarah kind of lloyd
Speaker 1: ing a more human connection that they felt was off
Speaker 1: limits and that's why they didn't want to vote first Sara.
Speaker 1: So they were the one. I didn't meet Sarah in
Speaker 1: the game at all. I didn't feel any kind of
Speaker 1: way about there. And you know how I would feel
Speaker 1: about girl power, like if she showed up and was like,
Speaker 1: I am I have been working with Tony this whole time,
Speaker 1: and now I'm going to blindside him and vote out
Speaker 1: Ben or whoever whatever, or vote out Tony, Like why
Speaker 1: didn't you turn on Tony and vote him out? It's
Speaker 1: really yeah, sure, And people were just falling on their
Speaker 1: swords left and right at the end, Like how do
Speaker 1: you guys feel about that? That was very strange for me.
Speaker 1: I mean it was it was odd to watch people
Speaker 1: just kind of give up at the end. I was like,
Speaker 1: you're here, you know what I mean like this, I
Speaker 1: don't think this helped your narrative at all in the
Speaker 1: in the larger grand scheme of things. It's like, I
Speaker 1: don't know, I didn't didn't love that very quickly. I
Speaker 1: want to say that like you, it seems like you
Speaker 1: had sort of you were sort of the foreman for
Speaker 1: the jury in a moment where you were like talking
Speaker 1: to Tony and you were like talk to us about
Speaker 1: how you lineside at all of us, but that none
Speaker 1: of us feel any sort of resentment or ill will
Speaker 1: towards you, Like that kind of like that was the
Speaker 1: moment We're wearing you like, oh, I actually thought Natalie
Speaker 1: had had a shot at winning this, but it's probably
Speaker 1: go to Tony because none of the jury members really
Speaker 1: feel that Tony was responsible for them being where they were.
Speaker 1: That really is truly a testament to Tony's mastery in
Speaker 1: the Game of Survivor because him being able to blindside
Speaker 1: and back sub and vote people out, these big ego
Speaker 1: people like Jeremy, like he windle all these people and
Speaker 1: not have them feel like I hate you, I'm going
Speaker 1: to destroy you. And none of them were campaigning against
Speaker 1: Tony at all, right, So it's just it was a
Speaker 1: testament like, Wow, you've done something that I've never been
Speaker 1: able to pull off in this game. When I vote
Speaker 1: people off, they hate me. And I don't know if
Speaker 1: that's the that's the gender bias happening, because I think
Speaker 1: it could be a little gender bias where it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: I got got by it like an alpha dude, but
Speaker 1: that's cool because that's what they're supposed to do. But
Speaker 1: when a woman gets you, it's like, oh, I got
Speaker 1: played by a girl. For sure. This actually correlates to
Speaker 1: my I don't think so, honey, to be very honest,
Speaker 1: which we are gonna take a very quick break and
Speaker 1: then come back and do that right after this, and
Speaker 1: we are back even and so now it is time
Speaker 1: for I don't think so honey, and it is truly
Speaker 1: the joy of my life that Partty is going to
Speaker 1: be doing this with us. So for those of you
Speaker 1: who may be tuning in for the first time to
Speaker 1: Lost Coach and thank you for that. I don't think
Speaker 1: so honey is a sixties second segment that we do here.
Speaker 1: We take something in the culture that's just grinding our
Speaker 1: gears that we don't love, and we take it down
Speaker 1: and we say, I don't think so honey that thing,
Speaker 1: and it's it leaves the culture in shame. Yes, Matt,
Speaker 1: you have something. I do have something. I have something
Speaker 1: that is survivor related even okay, great, um, Just so
Speaker 1: this is Matt Rogers. I don't think so honey. As
Speaker 1: time starts now, I don't think so honey. Amber saying
Speaker 1: that ever and thinks Rob deserved his win her win
Speaker 1: on All Stars. Girl, you won that season because let
Speaker 1: me tell you what you actually did. And you need
Speaker 1: to give yourself credit for and you need to examine
Speaker 1: why you're not giving yourself credit for it. You had
Speaker 1: the biggest strategist in the game literally fall in love
Speaker 1: with you and then not only protect himself but went
Speaker 1: out of his way to protect you. And you had him,
Speaker 1: this guy who's supposed to be all about himself, all
Speaker 1: about the game, protecting you. That is a move. And
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, you did have a
Speaker 1: better gauge on that jury at the time, which was
Speaker 1: a time when people were taking things very personally. You
Speaker 1: were able to get to the end and win rightfully.
Speaker 1: So because he did not manage the jury as well
Speaker 1: as you did. I believe that everyone who wins ultimately
Speaker 1: should win, and I don't think so, honey. You're not
Speaker 1: giving yourself the credit. I have to say, while I
Speaker 1: was moved by the emotion in the moment, didn't love
Speaker 1: the messaging behind the moment. I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 1: That and that's one minute. Wow, it was so good.
Speaker 1: I gotta say that kind of like I was watching
Speaker 1: it and I was like, I should be like more
Speaker 1: moved by this, but I'm really just disappointed because I
Speaker 1: want to see her step into her power. She is
Speaker 1: a survivor winner. She won All Stars down, hands down,
Speaker 1: and he he won the season that he was supposed
Speaker 1: to win, he did not win. All starts to me,
Speaker 1: he was playing a game that they nailed him for.
Speaker 1: She's just such a selfless, loving woman and she just
Speaker 1: she plays that role of wife and mother so traditionally
Speaker 1: where her whole role is to, you know, expand extol
Speaker 1: her man's virtues and praise him and make him feeling
Speaker 1: about himself. And she does a great job at that.
Speaker 1: But I think you're right with your I don't think so,
Speaker 1: because she totally earned that. Yeah, then they got married
Speaker 1: on TV. The whole thing, the whole thing, And I mean,
Speaker 1: like I just remember why. I remember that was back
Speaker 1: in the day when I was still watching it season
Speaker 1: to season and thinking to myself, like, Amber is the
Speaker 1: clear winner because she really like was party to every decision.
Speaker 1: She was quote unquote in troll of every decision. And
Speaker 1: people also forget on her season, there was a tribe
Speaker 1: shake up that put her on the other tribe and
Speaker 1: it was there was no one there for her, and
Speaker 1: she still survived. So anyway, this is again me being
Speaker 1: the ban I'm exposing myself. Um, but yes, okay, so
Speaker 1: at this time, it's not gonna be bow and yangs,
Speaker 1: I don't think so I had a non survivor. I
Speaker 1: don't think so, Manny, but I haven't I have a
Speaker 1: survivor topic planned. What I actually want you to do,
Speaker 1: and this is what I always want you to do,
Speaker 1: is to follow your heart. And you're my best best
Speaker 1: friend in the world, my best friend in the world.
Speaker 1: You're my Amanda Kimmel because you look like Amanda, because
Speaker 1: Amanda Kimmel is Amanda Kimmel is me in a wig?
Speaker 1: Is that is unfortunately the deal? And not even unfortunately.
Speaker 1: She's the gorgeous it's really you're so cute eyes the
Speaker 1: eyes in the mouth. Me and Bowen are Amanda and
Speaker 1: parv And at the end of the day, I think Bowen,
Speaker 1: you would do a better job in Final No Way
Speaker 1: Get your Fire challenge. Yeah. One thing before Bowen goes
Speaker 1: is can you describe, like how long does tribal council take? Oh? My,
Speaker 1: like at least a couple of hours, so it's not
Speaker 1: this like risk like we have the five questions that
Speaker 1: we ask him, then go No Way. There's a lot
Speaker 1: that gets left on the cutting room floor. Of course,
Speaker 1: fell off and the final tribal this time it was
Speaker 1: raining the whole time. Yeah, that looks so bad, Sophy.
Speaker 1: What the hell was sick and dying? Was dying that
Speaker 1: you will also? But you didn't hear about that. Can
Speaker 1: we just say you list the hottest man alive like that,
Speaker 1: and he's kept it together and he doesn't age. I
Speaker 1: think it's probably he is kind of like roboted himself
Speaker 1: from Facebook and Google and stuff. Yeah, good for him,
Speaker 1: well done, he's you. That's one of the great tragedies
Speaker 1: of winners of war for me, is Youle's elimination as well.
Speaker 1: Would have loved it to be Parverty and you will
Speaker 1: at the NT would have been anyway. Um So, now
Speaker 1: at this time, what we're gonna do is we're going
Speaker 1: to do Bowen yangs I don't think so, honey. And
Speaker 1: his time is going to start now, I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 1: The Queen Sandra Diaz Twine herself, How dare you pulled
Speaker 1: the flag the second you get distinction. If your whole
Speaker 1: hang up is about everybody, the whole survivor community, being
Speaker 1: like she doesn't necessarily deserve her wins blah blah blah
Speaker 1: blah blah, then you have to make the case for
Speaker 1: yourself and for the community that you stick it out.
Speaker 1: Even if you don't earn a single fire token, at
Speaker 1: least you can say that you stayed for the entire
Speaker 1: run of the season. Okay, instead you're traveling the world
Speaker 1: buying the Is that real? Is that? Is that you? You?
Speaker 1: You mentioned that? Okay, Sandra, I love you so much,
Speaker 1: You're you're a true I can, but that really disappointed me.
Speaker 1: You robbed us the viewership of more Sandra Diaz Twine television,
Speaker 1: and that's all you want. It's it's one of the
Speaker 1: culminations of the whole series that you are there with Rob,
Speaker 1: with Parvety, with Amber, with Tyson, you have you. You
Speaker 1: robbed us of quality television. And I love you forever,
Speaker 1: but I will not forgive you for that transgression. And
Speaker 1: that's and I don't think so, honey on Sandrads Twine
Speaker 1: thief of our joy? Joe, my gosh, you guys, can
Speaker 1: you give some Sandra insight? What's what's your relationship with Sandra?
Speaker 1: Sandra and I we don't really have a relationship, don't
Speaker 1: That's great? She seems like it's wonderful. Okay, we're running.
Speaker 1: I don't have much to say about part but I
Speaker 1: could talk about Russell all the time. I hate him,
Speaker 1: and his wife hates him, and his kids hate him.
Speaker 1: And when he and he goes home and he sits
Speaker 1: in his backyard and all he does block about Survivor.
Speaker 1: And I'm out here playing and continually winning queens. I'm
Speaker 1: sitting on my damn couch recording cameos for the world
Speaker 1: and making people happy, bringing the smile people's faces. What's
Speaker 1: Russell doing nothing? Russell can't even get on cameo girl.
Speaker 1: My cameos cost three hundred dollars each. Russell he can't
Speaker 1: get no fifteen dollar cameo everybody. I don't have much
Speaker 1: to say about her. We don't have much of a relationship,
Speaker 1: but I respect her, queen. She's charging. She's charging a
Speaker 1: pretty penny for her cameo, So I respect that. I
Speaker 1: respect cameos. Guys. I'm like Cameo Mafia over here getting
Speaker 1: up all my Survivor people under my wing on cameo
Speaker 1: and I'm like, get coming. I'm on cameo and I
Speaker 1: just keep trying to get bone to get on, but
Speaker 1: they won't let me. NBC won't let NBCNL. I know
Speaker 1: I would love to do it. Unfortunately, UM, the National
Speaker 1: Broadcasting Company has not allowed Bowen to get on CAMO.
Speaker 1: You're limiting your ability to interact with your fan base.
Speaker 1: Do this podcast and let us talk about any bullshit
Speaker 1: we want. So we should be thankful. Okay, all right, UM,
Speaker 1: worst party, thank you so much? Can you would you
Speaker 1: do what? I don't think so honey? Okay, guys, I
Speaker 1: was gonna do, and I don't think so honey about
Speaker 1: um moms like moms of twins on Instagram. Okay, okay, okay,
Speaker 1: because you guys did survivor things. So I was like,
Speaker 1: oh do I need to do us? You don't know
Speaker 1: you can do? And the thing is like, just like
Speaker 1: I said to my sister, I said to follow your heart,
Speaker 1: and I said the same thing to you. Okay, alright,
Speaker 1: so we're going to set up the cloth. This is poverty, shallows.
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. Her time starts now. Oh
Speaker 1: my gosh, I'm so nervous. I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 1: I mean these moms on Instagram, the ones to have
Speaker 1: like newborn babies who have their hair done, who have
Speaker 1: their makeup done, who are like ten pounds and like,
Speaker 1: O don't think so honey, you know that you just
Speaker 1: got vomited on. Your baby just shipped all over the wall,
Speaker 1: and you're cleaning up, and you just moved to a
Speaker 1: different part of the house to take that video. And
Speaker 1: you know, I don't think so, honey, because your husband
Speaker 1: or whoever your Instagram husband or wife that's recording that
Speaker 1: video for you, they are so upset, they're so pissed,
Speaker 1: they're so sleep deppress. They're like, I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 1: You don't even like, are you for real? That is
Speaker 1: not even true. You're just shoveling cinnamon troast crunch in
Speaker 1: your mouth on okay, Like you're not cooking lasagna family
Speaker 1: right now? I don't think so many well kind of cut,
Speaker 1: that's not a seconds You bought that in the frozen
Speaker 1: food section, pretending like you cooked that from scratch. Now
Speaker 1: you're showing us your pan and over the ingredients that
Speaker 1: you made. Think so howey? You know that as bull shit?
Speaker 1: Instagram Mom's found dead. Come on, stop making us look bad, truly,
Speaker 1: And that's really the poison of Instagram, isn't it. You
Speaker 1: just log on and everyone says this is the perfect me,
Speaker 1: and you're like, oh gosh, and especially when you're like
Speaker 1: dealing with motherhood, which is the I would imagine the
Speaker 1: hardest thing in the world, so hard, and like you
Speaker 1: don't't even know what the heck you're doing for the
Speaker 1: first like six months to probably seventeen years, and you're
Speaker 1: just like, oh, well, I guess this is fine because
Speaker 1: it's like you're I would imagine. I would imagine it's
Speaker 1: like you're pregnant, you give birth, and then it's like
Speaker 1: this human, little human is in front of you, and
Speaker 1: it's like, how do you hold it? What do you do?
Speaker 1: How do you living? Yeah, especially once that have an
Speaker 1: adventurous spirit. Oh my god, you guys. I wish I
Speaker 1: could bring her into this audio podcast because she would
Speaker 1: just reach wreck shop. She would. I am interested to see, like,
Speaker 1: in two years your daughter become poverty two point oh.
Speaker 1: On Survivor season, Jeff's gonna start doing four seasons a year,
Speaker 1: and he's like, us quarantine, We'll just keep rolling him out.
Speaker 1: Survivor Sue Island Kids verse adults, Well, they did say
Speaker 1: sixteen year olds going to apply no. I saw that.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, don't love no no,
Speaker 1: Because I like a good reward challenge. Where they get
Speaker 1: like little Champagne, a little Red Wild. I just want
Speaker 1: I want my Survivor customs personally to be of age. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: So we just want to say that if you have
Speaker 1: a young one in your life and you're looking for
Speaker 1: something to I don't know, have them read the book
Speaker 1: is only Honor and you can get it on articulation books.
Speaker 1: And honestly, we just want to say thank you so
Speaker 1: much because, like I said, like we got into this
Speaker 1: during quarantine and truly survivor it really was like like
Speaker 1: a totem for me, you know what I mean, helped me.
Speaker 1: It helped me like get through the early days of it,
Speaker 1: and like it was really fun to root for you
Speaker 1: and you're just your rock guys. Thank you, It's been
Speaker 1: really fun. I'm so impressed with your survivor knowledge. It's
Speaker 1: really beyond you know, and we know we know a
Speaker 1: few other things you actually entered them, but um, you're
Speaker 1: a very special person who uses your powers for good
Speaker 1: and we think that rocks. Thanks. I love you guys,
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