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Speaker 1: on your side, and you can feel that as a contestant,

428
00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:06,399
Speaker 1: you feel like you do Yeah, I think he loves

429
00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:10,000
Speaker 1: you now. But in the in the beginning, he was like,

430
00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:15,680
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, you're so perceptive, Matt Well, I mean,

431
00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:19,600
Speaker 1: let's say this, He's come a long way, because I

432
00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:22,119
Speaker 1: actually was really impressed with him calling himself out on

433
00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:26,320
Speaker 1: the finale of Winners at War because and that whole

434
00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:31,000
Speaker 1: discussion was really well worth having at this the Lisena discussion,

435
00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:34,120
Speaker 1: I think was like a beautiful encapsulation of the progress

436
00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:37,000
Speaker 1: that he's made. I think, Oh yeah, well, I mean

437
00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:40,760
Speaker 1: the thing with Survivor is very masculine dominant, and it's

438
00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:47,359
Speaker 1: so oriented to honor and celebrate the masculine in everyone. Right,

439
00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:49,920
Speaker 1: So the women that are given the most time on

440
00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:52,399
Speaker 1: screen and in the game is the women who are

441
00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:59,000
Speaker 1: CrossFit dominating. Yeah, it's not like the soft you know,

442
00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:01,320
Speaker 1: Kim and I go back and we're like crying about

443
00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:06,440
Speaker 1: our babies. They never show that we have to k

444
00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:10,920
Speaker 1: This is the thing people. People actually overlook One World

445
00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:13,520
Speaker 1: and they have to watch One World because a Kim

446
00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:16,240
Speaker 1: Spradlin is one of the best winners ever and be

447
00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:20,320
Speaker 1: that season is serving you Comma d you cannot believe

448
00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:22,680
Speaker 1: some of these people live in the world bow when

449
00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:25,879
Speaker 1: you haven't seen One World. This young girl Coulton that

450
00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:29,800
Speaker 1: they have on the show, Oh my word, wow, you

451
00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:32,199
Speaker 1: love a Culton. Anyone named a Coulton. That's actually real

452
00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:38,680
Speaker 1: culture number you love anyone, Okay, but this is this

453
00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:40,320
Speaker 1: is can I just say really quickly and this is

454
00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:42,400
Speaker 1: the scene that I was referencing earlier before we brought

455
00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:44,480
Speaker 1: poverty on. To go back to your point about it

456
00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:50,320
Speaker 1: being this like male masculine game. Um, my favorite moment,

457
00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:54,119
Speaker 1: one of my favorite moments in all of TV. I

458
00:23:54,160 --> 00:24:00,320
Speaker 1: want to hyper this is my This is Micronesia, season sixteen,

459
00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:06,080
Speaker 1: episode eleven. You and James come on bibliography, James r

460
00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:08,800
Speaker 1: Jay girl did the research. This this this is this

461
00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:12,359
Speaker 1: is the apple eating die down. Know I just like

462
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:15,680
Speaker 1: I just like we're obsessed with the show now, you

463
00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:18,000
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like we've just recently found it again.

464
00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:19,800
Speaker 1: And so I think both Bowen and I have like

465
00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:22,639
Speaker 1: a little bit of addictive personalities. So now I'm what

466
00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:26,480
Speaker 1: I'm being a completionist about it. And when he was

467
00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:30,359
Speaker 1: watching that season, we were texting each other saying that

468
00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:35,680
Speaker 1: exchange between you and James is so it really boils

469
00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:38,120
Speaker 1: it down to like that that dynamic of like James

470
00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:41,159
Speaker 1: looking at you like I really expected better from you

471
00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:44,520
Speaker 1: almost and you being like, well, I don't understand why

472
00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:46,640
Speaker 1: I can't play the game the same way that you can.

473
00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:49,200
Speaker 1: And also it's funny that you wouldn't expect me to

474
00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:51,320
Speaker 1: play the game as well as you. Yes, and it's

475
00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:53,760
Speaker 1: the way that you are talking to arguably one of

476
00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:58,000
Speaker 1: the most physically capable players ever on the show. Um,

477
00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:01,560
Speaker 1: but then James is superhuman. Yeah, it's what you can tell,

478
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:04,119
Speaker 1: you can tell. But it's just it's just and this,

479
00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:05,720
Speaker 1: this is the thing that we're saying. It's like this

480
00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:08,920
Speaker 1: is out of like a Madman episode. It's like, there's

481
00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:11,680
Speaker 1: always gonna be someone who bites the apple. Why can't

482
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:14,600
Speaker 1: you just leave the apple alone and enjoy the heavens? Well,

483
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:18,920
Speaker 1: hopefully stay around hopefully. Sorry, sorry because you because you

484
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:21,760
Speaker 1: wouldn't give me credit for having a plan anyway, what

485
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:25,440
Speaker 1: an exchange. And then also then then how he is

486
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:28,320
Speaker 1: like you basically called that out. You're like, you think

487
00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:30,840
Speaker 1: that I'm stupid, you think you have an assumption about

488
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:32,320
Speaker 1: me that's not true. And then he's like, no, I

489
00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:33,680
Speaker 1: didn't say that. I didn't say that. I said you

490
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:36,680
Speaker 1: were selfish. It's like, well, you have to examine the

491
00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:40,440
Speaker 1: whole way that you have. He got got, and I

492
00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:44,160
Speaker 1: feel like he got got and also AZZI got got

493
00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:48,959
Speaker 1: and the way that he spoke to you, what did

494
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:50,320
Speaker 1: it feel like the way he spoke to you with

495
00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:52,600
Speaker 1: that tribal council, Oh my god, was brutal. And what

496
00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:55,760
Speaker 1: you didn't see what did not make the edit is

497
00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:59,200
Speaker 1: Azzie stood up and asked me to do an interpretive day. Yes,

498
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:02,240
Speaker 1: I heard about this for how it felt to have

499
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 1: been to have betrayed a friend over greed. Was it

500
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:09,560
Speaker 1: a thing where he wanted to humiliate you? Sorry? Yeah, yeah, okay.

501
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:12,520
Speaker 1: She literally said, dance for me. That's that's that's that

502
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:15,880
Speaker 1: was his where he was at right. Well, and I think,

503
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:18,760
Speaker 1: honestly it just it does show the evolution of the

504
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:22,800
Speaker 1: game now that because people didn't respect my game before,

505
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:25,639
Speaker 1: and it took a while for people to start to

506
00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:28,320
Speaker 1: become fans of me and of how I played and

507
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:30,440
Speaker 1: how we've gotten the women together and done some really

508
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:33,720
Speaker 1: incredible things that you know, had never been done in

509
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:37,280
Speaker 1: the history of Survivor before, but we didn't get any credit.

510
00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:41,720
Speaker 1: I certainly didn't have any accolades until probably years afterwards,

511
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:45,400
Speaker 1: where like the culture I think has shifted enough where

512
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:49,879
Speaker 1: women are now given like more respect for having intelligence

513
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:52,080
Speaker 1: and a strategic mind and really being willing to be

514
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:55,119
Speaker 1: brave and challenge the status quo and not have to

515
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:58,200
Speaker 1: bow down and play this nice girl role. You know,

516
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:01,040
Speaker 1: I'm glad if I helped kind of lay some bricks there,

517
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 1: because I know, girl power, we gotta get up and

518
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 1: take stands for ourselves. You really did. And also in

519
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:09,560
Speaker 1: the casting of heroes versus villains and how they put

520
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 1: put the tribes together, I'm like, this is so interesting

521
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 1: to me. That and this it's like, we're weird to

522
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:18,639
Speaker 1: qualify people as that anyway, because Survivor just in the

523
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:21,119
Speaker 1: inherent like tenants of the game, it's like you have

524
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 1: to be both of those things in different moments, and

525
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:27,240
Speaker 1: it's about that complexity in the gameplay. So they put

526
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:31,520
Speaker 1: you on the villains tribe. Meanwhile Amanda and Surree are

527
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:34,760
Speaker 1: put on the heroes tribe alongside some other people, where

528
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:39,440
Speaker 1: I was like, is Candice a hero? That's interesting to me?

529
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 1: I never thought about it like that. Actually, at this point,

530
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:48,760
Speaker 1: she mutinied on cook Islands made out with Adam like hello, no,

531
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 1: not cute, But here's what happened to the Survivor. They

532
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 1: with casting, it's so funny because they have these themes

533
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 1: like they'll cast people and then they'll be like, oh, well,

534
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:04,320
Speaker 1: we gotta make a theme right, right, and so they

535
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 1: just put this theme together here versus done. It's like, okay,

536
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:09,359
Speaker 1: now we have to make our cast fit this theme.

537
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 1: How are we gonna do that? So you can tell

538
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:14,720
Speaker 1: which typically you can tell which team or tribe you're

539
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:17,439
Speaker 1: gonna be on based on the color that you are

540
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:20,240
Speaker 1: allowed to have from wardrobe. So they made me get

541
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:24,280
Speaker 1: blue for everything, like blue grays whatever, like cool colors. Yeah,

542
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:27,119
Speaker 1: so I had that great top. I had lists like

543
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 1: blue bikini, and the night before the game starts, They're like,

544
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 1: I had a yellow bikini for press photos because you

545
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:36,680
Speaker 1: have to have two bikinis, one for press one for

546
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:38,720
Speaker 1: the game. So I'm wearing a yellow bikini for my

547
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 1: press photos, Like you're gonna need to wear your yellow

548
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 1: bikini for the game. And I was like, oh weird.

549
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 1: They swopped me in Candice the day me on the

550
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 1: villains tribe and you know why, It's because they didn't

551
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:55,120
Speaker 1: want you working with your girls exactly. And I mean

552
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 1: there were four of us from my Carnesia on that tribe.

553
00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:00,280
Speaker 1: Was James, Amanda answering I would have been in there

554
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 1: around the house. Natalie was also on deck right that season.

555
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 1: Oh yes, Natalie better. She deserved better. She's really very crafty.

556
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think if the story of the whole

557
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 1: of Micronesia is like you and the way that you

558
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 1: kind of like really put together that alliance and like

559
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:24,720
Speaker 1: from bringing Alexis to Natalie in and also with Serria

560
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:27,120
Speaker 1: Amanda and just the expert way that you did that,

561
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:30,280
Speaker 1: I think that an underdog for like story of that

562
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:33,560
Speaker 1: season is the way that Natalie played, because I think

563
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:36,240
Speaker 1: I think Natalie Bolton deserved more, and I know that

564
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 1: she was like on the island for Heroes versus Villain

565
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 1: was you're really going through the archives, girl, I'm going

566
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 1: deep down deep better. She was in Ponderosa. So the

567
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 1: place that we hang out before the game starts, they

568
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 1: call it Ponderosa, And so you're there for probably three

569
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:58,719
Speaker 1: or four or five days kind of just not talking

570
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 1: to anyone because you're on a agord because they're not

571
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 1: filming anything. They don't want any interactions between people, so

572
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:05,760
Speaker 1: just sitting next to people, just giving them a side,

573
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 1: I like, kind of checking them out. Natalie's sitting there

574
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 1: drinking her coffee and I was like, oh my god,

575
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 1: I hope she's playing fun. Yeah, she's so fun. She's

576
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 1: so fun to watch. She gives great confessionals and she

577
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 1: makes big moves and it's like works great in teams,

578
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 1: like fun to watch. Such a babe. I had a question,

579
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 1: This actually is a question I asked my sister, who's

580
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:29,800
Speaker 1: also a huge fan. I was like, what do you

581
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 1: want to ask Parverty And she was like, she wants

582
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:36,000
Speaker 1: to know if it's a person that you've been You've

583
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 1: always been kind of like a in a team like

584
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:41,320
Speaker 1: you you really do, like you have your alliance member

585
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 1: and then you work in a team really well. Is

586
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:46,800
Speaker 1: there someone that you've worked with in the game of

587
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:51,160
Speaker 1: Survivor that's been your favorite person to work with? Oh? Yeah,

588
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 1: I was Amanda. She was the best. Oh. It was

589
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:58,320
Speaker 1: like she and I could read each other's minds. Yeah.

590
00:30:58,520 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 1: I didn't even have to say anything. She was like,

591
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 1: got you. I was like, how do you? How do

592
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 1: you have You can't even script a relationship like that.

593
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 1: And we hadn't even met ever before the game, and

594
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 1: it was just like instant chemistry, instant connection. She and

595
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 1: I were like day one, here's what we're doing. You're working, Assie,

596
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 1: I'm working. James We're gonna pull in Surrey. Here we go, like,

597
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 1: that's our game. Wow. And you hadn't even seen China

598
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 1: at that point because it wasn't air it wasn't brought. Yeah,

599
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 1: I don't think that China had even started airing. Yeah,

600
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 1: we didn't didn't know her or James. But I was

601
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:32,600
Speaker 1: just like, this guy is pretty cute. Yeah, he's literally

602
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 1: the hottest man alive. Everyone that I tell to watch Survivor,

603
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 1: the number one thing I get is where parv nation.

604
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 1: And the second thing I get is James is small,

605
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 1: the hottest man in the world, literally literally crazy, and

606
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 1: he digs graves by hand still to this day. Wait,

607
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 1: how does that work? He has a shovel and he

608
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:59,479
Speaker 1: just digs grapes in Louisiana. Still. Yeah, it's his family

609
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 1: business us and he has not like gotten into the

610
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 1: technology of this century. So he's he's just so like

611
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 1: an old school grave digger. When he first had a baby,

612
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 1: he sent me a picture of him with his baby

613
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 1: and like his baby Bjorn digging a grave with the

614
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 1: baby in his pouch, dangling over, dangling over a plot.

615
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 1: So you keep in touch with people from the show

616
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 1: or do they become your friends in real life, Like,

617
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 1: you know, the relationships inside the game we see, but

618
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 1: what happens after. Yeah, some people, I mean Ozzie and

619
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 1: I have certainly buried the hatchet. I saw him at

620
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 1: the farmer's market a couple of weeks ago, and you

621
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 1: did not. Yeah, we just chit chatted with our masks

622
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 1: on six feet apart. Wow, that is so funny. Yeah. Well,

623
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 1: in l A, there's a lot of survivors running around,

624
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 1: so you're gonna jump into a few. I mean, I

625
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 1: married Ron, so I see one every day. You married

626
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 1: John Fincher, who was on SAMOA. Oh my god, you

627
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 1: know everything. I mean, I'm like the thing about the

628
00:32:56,360 --> 00:33:01,479
Speaker 1: survivor fandom, which I didn't realize until we started watching

629
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 1: it was and we would kind of go on Instagram

630
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 1: and just like say our takes or whatever the amount legion, legion.

631
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:14,960
Speaker 1: The feedback that we got was like, yeah, whoa, it's great.

632
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 1: It's like a great vocal fan base, which is what

633
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 1: you want out of anything. Oh yeah, it's perfect. Like

634
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 1: I'm like I don't mind. I'm like okay, yeah. Like

635
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 1: people have their opinions like this is great, like this

636
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 1: is an active whatever. The community of people well, I

637
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 1: think what it is too, and you guys can tell

638
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 1: me if this is your experience. But when you're sitting

639
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 1: at home watching the show and you see people get

640
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 1: this opportunity, like there was an idol hanging from a

641
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 1: tree and the choices do you take the idol or

642
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 1: do you think if this is a trick and walk away,

643
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 1: like what would you do? And I think you can

644
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 1: project yourself into the characters or the personalities that you're

645
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 1: seeing on screen and one archetype that fits you and

646
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 1: be like, this is me, this is how I would

647
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 1: be in this adventure, and there's you can sort of

648
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 1: play the game through your favorite person. Wow, yeah, that's

649
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 1: definitely true. And then I also think it's always just

650
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:08,719
Speaker 1: easy to see yourself doing the right thing because you're

651
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 1: not starving on a beach. You're not like you haven't

652
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 1: been privy to the edit of the episode. Like, so

653
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 1: whenever anyone does something quote unquote dumb, I always try

654
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:20,279
Speaker 1: to take a step back and think, like as someone

655
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:23,719
Speaker 1: who can appreciate the edited television series I'm watching, like

656
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 1: they're starving this and you might have done something even

657
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:29,759
Speaker 1: dumber in a way earlier episode and got voted out

658
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 1: like trying to like that kind of self awareness is

659
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 1: what we really validate. So would you give us your necklace?

660
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 1: Matt Um literally you I might, And then you know, honestly,

661
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 1: can you can you even imagine? That was so insane?

662
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 1: It was perfect that it was perfect, Like the sequence

663
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:51,719
Speaker 1: of events leading up to that was perfect, and like

664
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 1: the oral history of it all, like that's on like Entertainment. Yes,

665
00:34:56,560 --> 00:35:00,759
Speaker 1: he's talk about her super fan amazing, He's gone down

666
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:04,359
Speaker 1: for every season, He's covered every season is for Entertainment Weekly,

667
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 1: and he does these massive write ups and stories for

668
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:10,320
Speaker 1: like each episode, like do you ever sleep? How do

669
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 1: you Deserve? Because it's so layered and it's like the

670
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 1: like the the gameplay is so like manifold and complex

671
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:20,719
Speaker 1: and it really is like three D chests that everyone's

672
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:23,840
Speaker 1: playing because I think I don't know. I just to

673
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 1: know from you. What do you think? What's the quality

674
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 1: that you think survivor brings out in you anytime you're

675
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:30,720
Speaker 1: on the island? Is it? Is it? The social aspect

676
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 1: is that you're using your powers of persuasion, like try

677
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:37,880
Speaker 1: to tell people what to do. It's really um, I

678
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 1: think it's the connection to nature and having a complete

679
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 1: separation from any of your day to day responsibilities. That

680
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 1: puts me into this space of I am like really

681
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 1: deeply connected to my intuition, so I can follow. It's

682
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 1: like guidance just moves me, so I can follow that

683
00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:59,479
Speaker 1: inner guidance. I'm like, oh my gosh, if I feel

684
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 1: really gored and uncomfortable about having this conversation with this

685
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:05,759
Speaker 1: person like Wendell or whatever, then I have to do it.

686
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 1: I have to actually step up, put myself out of myself,

687
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 1: risk embarrassment, risk looking stupid, and have this conversation that's awkward,

688
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 1: like that conversation that I had with James after I

689
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:19,719
Speaker 1: voted Azzie out. Like I have to face the music

690
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 1: and have those conversations, and that is what moves the

691
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:27,719
Speaker 1: game forward, because like in real life, I don't love

692
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 1: conflict and I do not want confrontation in my life,

693
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:35,800
Speaker 1: so I'll just you know, smile walk away like not interested.

694
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:38,400
Speaker 1: But on Survivor, I have to show up in a

695
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:44,400
Speaker 1: totally in just a braver way, yes where socially, especially

696
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 1: with those social dynamics, I have to say the things

697
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:48,440
Speaker 1: that maybe I normally wouldn't say, and I have to

698
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 1: ask for things that normally would feel uncomfortable for me

699
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:56,799
Speaker 1: to ask for, so it's it is empowering. And then

700
00:36:56,880 --> 00:37:01,239
Speaker 1: watching how the how that moves me forward or moves

701
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:04,839
Speaker 1: the game forward. I mean inevitably those conversations always make

702
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:06,919
Speaker 1: the edit, and I'm like, oh my gosh, I felt

703
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:10,279
Speaker 1: so awkward having that conversation, but look at how it

704
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:13,759
Speaker 1: showed up. It doesn't actually look awkward on screen, but

705
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:17,400
Speaker 1: it's just how I felt inside that it was. You know,

706
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:21,360
Speaker 1: I wanted to um ask too. So speaking of conflict,

707
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:24,760
Speaker 1: like you, I think, without really knowing who Russell Hans

708
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 1: was because you hadn't seen his season of Survivor, ended

709
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:31,400
Speaker 1: up in a extremely close alliance with Russell Hants and

710
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 1: heroes versus villains, And then you find yourself sitting next

711
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 1: to Russell Hans and Sandra dis Twine queen at the

712
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:41,719
Speaker 1: end of the not the queen, she would say, Queen

713
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:46,480
Speaker 1: stays queen. She's a queen. Man um, We'll give it

714
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:50,319
Speaker 1: to her she deserves. But there you are, like at

715
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:52,400
Speaker 1: the end of it, sitting next to Russell and Sandra

716
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 1: and watching the way that they interacted and sort of

717
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:58,879
Speaker 1: you in the middle of it all. What was that experience,

718
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:01,800
Speaker 1: like you know, sad your wins. Russell's there, he feels

719
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 1: some type of way about it. You can tell that

720
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 1: you're disappointed, because I think that after watching the season,

721
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:09,759
Speaker 1: it's pretty clear that you, I think deserve to win.

722
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:11,880
Speaker 1: But like there's lots of going on. What is that

723
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:17,719
Speaker 1: situation like navigating that it's it's it's just awkward. I'm

724
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 1: sitting in the middle of these two. Sandra already won,

725
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:25,759
Speaker 1: Russell lost, no votes for Russell, and it's over. Now

726
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 1: they're going at each other and you guys just can't stop.

727
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:32,120
Speaker 1: It's like the game never stopped with those two ever.

728
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:34,239
Speaker 1: And for me, it's like when I'm done with the game,

729
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 1: I breathe this, I really if I just like heavy

730
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 1: sob and then I move on. I'm like, okay, time

731
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:42,719
Speaker 1: to see what's next in my life. But I was

732
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 1: just I was over it. By then. I'd gone through

733
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:47,759
Speaker 1: the experience of Heroes Villains, which was hard enough, like

734
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 1: really really scarring and wounding and traumatic for me, and

735
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:54,720
Speaker 1: then sitting in the finale where they're just like hands

736
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:57,400
Speaker 1: in my face, I was just like, okay, I walk away,

737
00:38:57,760 --> 00:38:59,759
Speaker 1: get out of here, I mean, and then Sandra and

738
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 1: the Bone pointed out the other day, like Sandra will

739
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:05,319
Speaker 1: be an interview is like I hate life, hates him

740
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:07,919
Speaker 1: too now, but it's it's all it's all in acting,

741
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 1: that's all facade. I hate likes him and he thinks

742
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:13,360
Speaker 1: about me all the time, and I don't think about

743
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 1: him ever except for now while I'm talking about that.

744
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:21,360
Speaker 1: She is quite iconic. And then you have to you

745
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:23,319
Speaker 1: have to hand it to the show because truly all

746
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:25,840
Speaker 1: twenty winners, like you could argue about who should have

747
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:29,879
Speaker 1: been there whatever, an iconic bunch, and I know we're

748
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:33,319
Speaker 1: pretty like very distinct. Everyone's very distinct in their own

749
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 1: unique way. Yeah, and how an interaction between everyone is

750
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 1: that's really where the magic happens. Truly great and I

751
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 1: think that like me as like a like a real fan,

752
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:45,840
Speaker 1: like I of course wanted to see it be like

753
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 1: old school at the end, Like I would have loved

754
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:51,400
Speaker 1: if at the end it was like you you rob Sandra.

755
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 1: You know, that's I think what we all dream of,

756
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 1: But ultimately it didn't pan out that way. How do

757
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:58,799
Speaker 1: you feel watching it about the way it shuck out

758
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 1: with Tony winning and you're own vote for Natalie and

759
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:03,440
Speaker 1: Michelle receiving no votes, Like, what's your take on the

760
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 1: season now having seen it? Well, I would have loved

761
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 1: to have been at the end with all of those

762
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:14,359
Speaker 1: people as well, like me, Rob Tyson with this baby girl,

763
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:19,279
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that episode. They're just the best and

764
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 1: just so real, and I don't really get caught up

765
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 1: in the drama. It's kind of like, Okay, we're just

766
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:26,040
Speaker 1: going to be friends with whoever we want to be

767
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:28,959
Speaker 1: friends with and then moving on. But yeah, I loved

768
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:31,160
Speaker 1: how the season ended. I really, I really did. I

769
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:34,120
Speaker 1: feel so delighted to have been a part of season forty,

770
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:37,279
Speaker 1: even though I didn't do like as well as I

771
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 1: typically tend to do and survivor being at the end

772
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:44,399
Speaker 1: with Tony, who is so wild and outrageous, and it's

773
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:46,840
Speaker 1: truly like, no one is making a spy nest in

774
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:49,759
Speaker 1: a tree? How are you doing this? How are you

775
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:52,279
Speaker 1: been thinking about that? It's like so freakish that you

776
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 1: wouldn't even think to look for it, and yet you're

777
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:56,400
Speaker 1: watching me like, Natalie, look up, look up, he's in

778
00:40:56,480 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 1: the tree. It's like, whoever, dude, you walk Okay, the

779
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:03,400
Speaker 1: guitar sort of proke. I'm thinking about what how that

780
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 1: would have been for me, like walking to the well

781
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 1: and having a conversation with Sarah and then just would

782
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:11,360
Speaker 1: you feel this presence of or would you just be

783
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 1: so caught up in the conversation that you're having, because

784
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 1: there's the conversations you have are so intense towards that

785
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:21,440
Speaker 1: point in the game that like it's all you can

786
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 1: focus on. So I don't know if I would have

787
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:24,440
Speaker 1: felt like the hair on the back of my neck

788
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 1: standing up. I'm telling you, it's like sitting over the

789
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:31,319
Speaker 1: branch about to fall. And the fact that he took

790
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 1: a torch, like he made a torch, and Midnight goes

791
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:38,280
Speaker 1: out hunting for an idol, Like if he found an idol,

792
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:41,120
Speaker 1: come on, come on, you're not even a human being.

793
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 1: Who I was like, there's no way, and that I

794
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:44,479
Speaker 1: was watching it, and I was like, if he finds

795
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 1: it right now, I'm gonna have to think this ship

796
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:49,400
Speaker 1: is fixed because it is the pitch black dark of

797
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 1: the night. You can't black, you can't see a single thing.

798
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 1: And also there's a lot of crazy sounds happening in

799
00:41:56,120 --> 00:42:00,320
Speaker 1: the jungle at that point. There's like scurrying, there's squaw talking.

800
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 1: I mean, you don't know what you're gonna put your

801
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 1: hand in in the middle of the night. It's going

802
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:07,319
Speaker 1: to be hard no from me, actually on that one.

803
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 1: Hard no. And here I am saying the other day

804
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:12,719
Speaker 1: I was like, I think I have to go on.

805
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:14,840
Speaker 1: I was like, I think I must go on, and

806
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:17,759
Speaker 1: I think I want to go on. I think you

807
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:21,360
Speaker 1: should go on. But listen, you have a real shot.

808
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 1: You're a super fan. You can pull out trivia like

809
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 1: any super fan that I've seen. Jeff loves that. So

810
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 1: that's what you really want to lead with in your interview.

811
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:33,960
Speaker 1: And then also just be like, oh, I'm so dynamic.

812
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 1: Everyone loves me. Look at how great I like. You

813
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 1: love me, like, you can't stop thinking about me. Just

814
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 1: the man, the man would not be able to get

815
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:45,880
Speaker 1: me off as mine. There's a chance and he he

816
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 1: doesn't send a chance that nerd anyway. Um wait, okay,

817
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 1: so we're gonna take a break and then we're gonna

818
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 1: come back and we're gonna ask party the question that

819
00:42:57,360 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 1: the capital T capital Q. Great, and we're back, so

820
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:11,800
Speaker 1: let's ask poverty the question. And that question is poverty,

821
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:13,759
Speaker 1: what is the culture that made you say culture is

822
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 1: for me? Matt what is that question? So basically, this

823
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:19,440
Speaker 1: is like when you were coming of age, becoming parv.

824
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 1: This was the culture that entered your life and you said,

825
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 1: oh wow, I feel moved to to become myself. Maybe

826
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 1: you didn't know it at the time, but you can

827
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 1: find it now. Oh my gosh, I am feeling this

828
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 1: question so much. Yes, okay, So I don't know if

829
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 1: you guys know this about me, but I grew up

830
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 1: in a commune basically like a Hindu spiritual community in Florida,

831
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 1: and it was yoga, we chanted, we ate vegetarian food.

832
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 1: And then when I turned nine years old, we packed

833
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 1: up my mom's silver Chevy Spectrum drove up to Georgia

834
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:55,440
Speaker 1: and we moved to the inner city of g A

835
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:58,880
Speaker 1: And from there, I was like all my friends were

836
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:01,240
Speaker 1: black or brown, and I was like, oh my gosh,

837
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:05,799
Speaker 1: this is so fascinating. All these new people with all

838
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 1: these new like tastes and experience food and sounds, and

839
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 1: I was so curious about it. So I got into

840
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:17,479
Speaker 1: really got into R and D in a major ways.

841
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:27,320
Speaker 1: Tony Braxton and Vogue, Mariah carry Whitney, you're talking to

842
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 1: a full lamb right here. And also, like I am

843
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 1: in the Emily and like, what's your favorite Maria album?

844
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:38,440
Speaker 1: My favorite Mariah album? It was the one that was like, honey,

845
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:43,360
Speaker 1: it was okay. I mean, the old school of the

846
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:45,759
Speaker 1: fast love it every day of my life. And I

847
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 1: was so torn. I was like, who do I love more?

848
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 1: Whitney or Mariah? Whitney and Mariah and they would in

849
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:53,480
Speaker 1: the radio stations they would have those battles between the two,

850
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:56,279
Speaker 1: and I want to dance with somebody, like, how do

851
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:58,880
Speaker 1: you top that? I mean, can you even beat that?

852
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:02,440
Speaker 1: That's one of the best songs of all time? I mean,

853
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:05,719
Speaker 1: And also you mentioned Tony Braxton, who I feel the

854
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:09,240
Speaker 1: children have forgotten Tony. The fact of the matter is Tony,

855
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 1: you know, that is an iconic voice, a once in

856
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 1: a lifetime that sounds straight butter, butter. You can't really

857
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 1: replicate it. I mean, you can't replicate it. But it's

858
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:22,480
Speaker 1: like you would immediately think Tony Braxton if it was

859
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:25,800
Speaker 1: that low, that velvety. Yeah, you're like, that's that's a

860
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:29,400
Speaker 1: throwback to Tony. Can you can you do an impression?

861
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 1: Don't mean? And then well, the thing about her is

862
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:36,880
Speaker 1: you don't think that because she comes at you like

863
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:41,880
Speaker 1: with all of this and then like she also has range,

864
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:47,359
Speaker 1: like she's belting her ass off to break my heart.

865
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:50,080
Speaker 1: And I was like, if I could only be like

866
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 1: these women, like just belt it out and really like

867
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 1: take a stand and be sexy and strong and sensual

868
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:01,920
Speaker 1: and total badass. That is what formed my identity. It

869
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 1: was like sixth grade, seventh grade, eighth grade, R and

870
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:08,400
Speaker 1: B those ladies and like the groups like s w V.

871
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 1: Do you remember that w V and Taj from s

872
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 1: WV was cast on Survivor and I just lost my mind.

873
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, my god, which season I honestly

874
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:24,759
Speaker 1: don't remember. You guys are probably played. Yes, look it

875
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:28,759
Speaker 1: up to Wait, why don't I know this either? That's crazy? Yeah,

876
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:31,399
Speaker 1: get into it, Matt. Wait, Matt, you have to listen

877
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 1: to STVUV. You have to have es sisters voices seen.

878
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:38,440
Speaker 1: And yes, now it's all I think. I didn't know

879
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 1: your brief so weak. Oh that's a Jim. It's so

880
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:50,440
Speaker 1: fascinating that you say that, like, because I did feel

881
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:53,320
Speaker 1: like that that like time in the mid nineties, like

882
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:58,319
Speaker 1: when it really ate good. Oh we were eating Never,

883
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 1: I guess it was never, not that edge of extinction

884
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:03,400
Speaker 1: in terms of rich musical culture, you could say it

885
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:07,760
Speaker 1: was quite the opposite in fact, but it was chunky,

886
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:11,319
Speaker 1: peanut butter and rich as well. But honestly, like when

887
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:15,720
Speaker 1: Mariah like found, when Maria like truly the Chrystalists opened

888
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 1: and Mariah became the Butterfly. There are some tracks on

889
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:25,400
Speaker 1: Butterfly album like the Roof, like Breakdown, like there are

890
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:29,000
Speaker 1: there's so much like good, rich, good stuff, and it's

891
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 1: true like that was the point in time when R

892
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:36,360
Speaker 1: and B music was truly I think, like running everything

893
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:39,480
Speaker 1: Brandy to get Brandy. You're like, this is what life

894
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:44,440
Speaker 1: is about because it was true storytelling and then I'm

895
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 1: learning so much, yes though, and yes though, but there

896
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 1: is like also like I remember, like when Christina Aguilera

897
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:58,239
Speaker 1: came out too, I was like, see this is this

898
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:05,919
Speaker 1: is the clear choice for me? Yes, I remember, Yeah,

899
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:08,320
Speaker 1: we we all wanted to. We we all saw ourselves

900
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 1: on our mind's eye as that. Yeah. But what about

901
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:13,719
Speaker 1: the Mandy Moore situation when she came out, she came

902
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:17,160
Speaker 1: out around the same time, was Mandy Moore, Brittany Christina? Yes,

903
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:19,960
Speaker 1: and then we had Jessica in a distant fourth That's right.

904
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 1: So Mandy So Mandy is so interesting because I feel

905
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:30,320
Speaker 1: like she like took a hard left on her third album,

906
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 1: which do we think that's too early because it was

907
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:35,160
Speaker 1: because because no third album was when she just did

908
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:37,719
Speaker 1: pure covers. She did like I feel she did like

909
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 1: Carol King covers and she did like, um, you know,

910
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:43,840
Speaker 1: Spanish harlem Mona Lisa's and Manhatters by Elton John. Like

911
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:46,279
Speaker 1: she was going. She was like basically turning into a

912
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:48,279
Speaker 1: forty year old white woman by the time she was

913
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 1: like seven, you know, which we which we love now,

914
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:55,200
Speaker 1: which we related to, but back then, like an eighth

915
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:58,320
Speaker 1: grader was like, what is she doing? Yeah, this is

916
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:03,640
Speaker 1: not pop star, yes that no, but she she actually

917
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:08,480
Speaker 1: um like Candy. There's some vocal moments on that that

918
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:09,920
Speaker 1: was high school for me though, So that was a

919
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:12,120
Speaker 1: little bit after my formative years at the R and

920
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:15,000
Speaker 1: B moment right right right. And also it's like once

921
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:17,120
Speaker 1: you've been once you've been in middle school and joining

922
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:19,439
Speaker 1: the R and B moment Mandy Moore, Mandy Moore isn't

923
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:29,040
Speaker 1: impressing you with like I'm fdic, yeah, but I will

924
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 1: say my the gag of her whole discography for me

925
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:34,960
Speaker 1: is cry well and remember I was gonna say anything

926
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:37,360
Speaker 1: from a walk to remember, but also what a b

927
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:45,640
Speaker 1: with you that day? Love and the way that it

928
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 1: starts where she goes, she goes, and sure, but I

929
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:52,399
Speaker 1: just can't do It's just such a weird song. Weir,

930
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:57,240
Speaker 1: what is this? It's crazy? It's crazy. Amanda Moore, Amanda Amanda,

931
00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:03,200
Speaker 1: Amanda Lee Silver scre in Godess. Yeah, I'm just really transformed,

932
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:06,440
Speaker 1: raking in the dough, as they would say, being the

933
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:09,759
Speaker 1: lead actress on This is Us. Good for her? Wait,

934
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:13,200
Speaker 1: can we ask about your parents? Because I love that,

935
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:16,799
Speaker 1: I love I love the anecdote of in Micronesia you're

936
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:20,720
Speaker 1: holding up your round for six hours using mantra mantra

937
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:23,840
Speaker 1: that you that your dad gave you, and like was

938
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:27,080
Speaker 1: he was? He just kind of like sourcing you with

939
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:29,920
Speaker 1: like certain things in terms of like being able to

940
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:32,440
Speaker 1: spiritually psychically like connect to all the dots in your

941
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:34,279
Speaker 1: head like while you were playing Survivor or like like

942
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:38,560
Speaker 1: like talk about like how they kind of influenced your gameplay,

943
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:41,040
Speaker 1: but like what they sort of gave you the tools? Yeah,

944
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:50,960
Speaker 1: did give Oh we know that story. Dads, they famously

945
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:54,600
Speaker 1: have tools. It's actually a real culture. Number one and three, Dads,

946
00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:57,799
Speaker 1: they have to I really wanted to join you guys

947
00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:00,680
Speaker 1: on that one, but feel feel free to join anytime.

948
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 1: It's actually it actually reinforces the rule of culture even

949
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:08,879
Speaker 1: more when the guest joins in. Okay, So yes, my dad.

950
00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:11,719
Speaker 1: The first time I played in Cook Islands, my dad

951
00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:14,240
Speaker 1: was so fired up about this because he loves camping.

952
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:16,640
Speaker 1: He's from the woods in New Hampshire. Like they used

953
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:19,160
Speaker 1: to play games when he was younger where they would

954
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:20,960
Speaker 1: get a bow and arrow and shoot it up in

955
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:25,279
Speaker 1: the sky and like dodge it. That was his childhood game.

956
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:28,520
Speaker 1: That god, that is such like a like fill in

957
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:30,719
Speaker 1: the blank like dad used to play this. So be

958
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:33,239
Speaker 1: happy with your video game. Like when I was a

959
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:34,840
Speaker 1: kid who used to shoot a bow and arrow in

960
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:36,759
Speaker 1: the sky and it fell down, it would kill you

961
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:39,719
Speaker 1: if your great day out of the way. So I'm sorry,

962
00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:41,640
Speaker 1: I can't charge your game boy right now while we're

963
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:47,480
Speaker 1: in the car. Okay, So anyway, when I get when

964
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:51,360
Speaker 1: I get cast on season thirteen, Micrones, I mean Cook Islands,

965
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:54,680
Speaker 1: my dad's like pumped. This is his childhood dream from

966
00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:57,840
Speaker 1: true and he is going to live vicariously through me.

967
00:51:58,120 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 1: As I throw myself into this adventure. So he calls me,

968
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:03,239
Speaker 1: He's like, you gotta come home. We gotta train. He

969
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:07,000
Speaker 1: sets up this um archery set in the backyard with

970
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:08,960
Speaker 1: like a hay barrel. I mean he lives in the

971
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:12,160
Speaker 1: suburbs of Georgia. I don't know where he got this hair. Hey, robot,

972
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:14,120
Speaker 1: he got it. And so he set that up. We're

973
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:17,400
Speaker 1: doing fire making with flint and a machete. The whole works,

974
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:19,680
Speaker 1: and he's just like trying to teach me how whittle

975
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:22,239
Speaker 1: sticks and like build a shelter. He's like, here's an

976
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 1: a frame. This is how you build an A frame

977
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:27,080
Speaker 1: was the best to like guard you from the wind.

978
00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:28,560
Speaker 1: And I was just like, okay, Dad, here we go.

979
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:31,279
Speaker 1: So then when I went back from Micronesia, I mean

980
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:35,280
Speaker 1: he realized, like survival, okay, nature, I got it handled.

981
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:37,040
Speaker 1: He taught me all of that the last time. So

982
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:39,880
Speaker 1: this time I just remember we were just sitting at

983
00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:43,160
Speaker 1: the dinner table and my dad was like, oh, hey,

984
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:45,640
Speaker 1: you know, just just like off the cuff. Hey, if

985
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 1: you were ever you know, need need some help out there,

986
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:51,399
Speaker 1: you should try out this mantra. It's own money pod hump.

987
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:53,279
Speaker 1: I used to chant it a lot when I was

988
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:56,120
Speaker 1: in New York City, when my dad's lived multiple lifetimes.

989
00:52:56,160 --> 00:52:58,239
Speaker 1: In his long lifetime, he was a yogi in New

990
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:00,759
Speaker 1: York City who would just meditate like six seven hours

991
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:03,880
Speaker 1: a day, and he was part of this like spiritual

992
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:06,440
Speaker 1: group there and he's like, oh, my money, pud, my home.

993
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:08,680
Speaker 1: It means the strength of the universe is inside of me,

994
00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:11,960
Speaker 1: So you chant that whenever you need it. And it

995
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:14,239
Speaker 1: just like it was like a nothing, and then we

996
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:16,759
Speaker 1: moved on to whatever else when we're talking about and

997
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:20,440
Speaker 1: I remember in that challenge, I was holding my arm

998
00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:22,920
Speaker 1: up and probably in the first five minutes, I'm starting

999
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:26,560
Speaker 1: to feel the fire, the numbing, and I'm like, oh this,

1000
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:28,360
Speaker 1: this is going to be challenging. And I knew I

1001
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:32,080
Speaker 1: had to win that challenge in order to pull off

1002
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:35,640
Speaker 1: the whole blindside of Assi. So I was like, all right,

1003
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:38,840
Speaker 1: no one else, everyone's stepping down for peanut butter and

1004
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:42,080
Speaker 1: pikis and milk and chocolate, and I'm like, I have

1005
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:45,359
Speaker 1: to win this. And Jason would not get down because

1006
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:48,359
Speaker 1: he thinks we're going to vote him. Yeah, and he's tough.

1007
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:50,719
Speaker 1: I mean, he was a good challenge competitor. So I'm

1008
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:52,800
Speaker 1: I'm feeling it. I'm like, oh, it was just my

1009
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:55,680
Speaker 1: dad's It just popped into my head. Oh, money pad

1010
00:53:55,719 --> 00:53:57,359
Speaker 1: my home, and I was praying. I was like praying.

1011
00:53:57,400 --> 00:53:59,640
Speaker 1: I was honestly asking for assistance. I was like, okay, God,

1012
00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:03,720
Speaker 1: like can you help me? Like universe gottas like divine

1013
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:09,280
Speaker 1: creative power, please help someone. Anyone's like are you listening

1014
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:11,600
Speaker 1: to me? Like I need your help to keep my

1015
00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:13,200
Speaker 1: arm up. I don't know if I can do this,

1016
00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:15,799
Speaker 1: And all of a sudden that that mantra popped into

1017
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:18,160
Speaker 1: my head. I start repeating it in my mind and

1018
00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:22,520
Speaker 1: I can feel the power of the universe expanding inside

1019
00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:24,960
Speaker 1: of me, and I'm like, oh, if I'm the universe,

1020
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:28,560
Speaker 1: I'm going to hold my arm up forever ever. Ye

1021
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:32,160
Speaker 1: did you leave your body? I left my body. I

1022
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:35,959
Speaker 1: don't remember so much of that challenge. I remember seeing

1023
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:40,160
Speaker 1: a butterfly and then like the challenge was over and

1024
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:42,840
Speaker 1: it was ranked out six hours that you held your

1025
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:45,040
Speaker 1: arm up. Yeah, it was. It was a little over

1026
00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:47,000
Speaker 1: six hours. And you know what happened after that was

1027
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:49,960
Speaker 1: Jeff and the art department and challenge apartment was like,

1028
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:52,480
Speaker 1: We're never going to have production do this. Challenge like

1029
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:54,080
Speaker 1: this ever again because they don't want to sit there

1030
00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:56,279
Speaker 1: and fill it for six hours, so they make it

1031
00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:58,600
Speaker 1: harder and harder every time they make the post that

1032
00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:01,440
Speaker 1: you have to stand on skinnier like the valance you can.

1033
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:04,319
Speaker 1: He's like, Okay, today we're gonna flip a coin that's

1034
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:06,000
Speaker 1: gonna be a hedge of tails. And if you had

1035
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:08,160
Speaker 1: to get aheads, you get to do the puzzle right

1036
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:11,080
Speaker 1: because we gotta go those long. It's the end of

1037
00:55:11,120 --> 00:55:13,440
Speaker 1: an era with the long, grueling endurance challenge, which is

1038
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:15,160
Speaker 1: a bummer because I love those. I mean, I'm so

1039
00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:18,000
Speaker 1: good at them. Yeah, I mean, yeah, you really did transcend.

1040
00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:20,560
Speaker 1: And then I mean, is that something that you end

1041
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:23,200
Speaker 1: up wanting to engage with like throughout your life? Like,

1042
00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:25,480
Speaker 1: I don't, like, you have to be pretty selective with

1043
00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:28,480
Speaker 1: the moments in your life where you want to like

1044
00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:31,200
Speaker 1: fully leave your body. Oh my god, stop, No, it's

1045
00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:33,920
Speaker 1: one of my favorite things to do. Really, yes, how

1046
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:36,080
Speaker 1: often do you do it? Now? I So I practice

1047
00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:38,640
Speaker 1: Kundalini yoga, which is a style of yoga that is

1048
00:55:39,239 --> 00:55:42,160
Speaker 1: really makes you high. Basically, it builds the strength of

1049
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:45,040
Speaker 1: your nervous system and helps you to be able to

1050
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:48,480
Speaker 1: adapt and handle stress really like helps your expand your

1051
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:51,920
Speaker 1: awareness so you can just do more things in your life.

1052
00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:55,680
Speaker 1: And so I really love the style of yoga, but

1053
00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:58,320
Speaker 1: it's it's weird, and you have to do weird stuff

1054
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:02,200
Speaker 1: like hold your arms up for X amount of minutes

1055
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:05,600
Speaker 1: and do this certain type of breathing, and it's just

1056
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:09,239
Speaker 1: like you expand out of your body, like the edges

1057
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:11,239
Speaker 1: of your body are totally gone. You don't even know

1058
00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:13,440
Speaker 1: where you come and where you go anymore. You turn

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00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:15,720
Speaker 1: into a pink cloud of love. I've done that before.

1060
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:19,279
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I'm just giving away all my goods

1061
00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:21,480
Speaker 1: to you guys. But I go to UM. I go

1062
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:24,640
Speaker 1: to this Kundalini yoga festival in New Mexico and they

1063
00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:26,640
Speaker 1: do this every year around the summer solstice, and I

1064
00:56:26,719 --> 00:56:30,239
Speaker 1: will do three days of this thing called white Ton

1065
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:33,239
Speaker 1: Trick meditation, where you're sitting cross legged in front of

1066
00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:36,680
Speaker 1: your partner and there's thousands of people. Everyone's wearing white

1067
00:56:36,719 --> 00:56:38,719
Speaker 1: everyone's got a turban on, so you look like a

1068
00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:42,400
Speaker 1: total whack job. Some people are wearing crystal headgear that

1069
00:56:42,520 --> 00:56:47,120
Speaker 1: they've made homemade themselves. It looks crazy, But the experience

1070
00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:51,759
Speaker 1: that I have is transcendent, like I love it, and

1071
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:55,880
Speaker 1: there's no when I'm done with that meditation, the colors

1072
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:59,520
Speaker 1: in the world are so beautiful. Like people explain, I've

1073
00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:01,279
Speaker 1: never done to see I've never done an asset, I've

1074
00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:05,640
Speaker 1: never done like hallucinogens. Really it sounds, I mean literally

1075
00:57:05,719 --> 00:57:08,960
Speaker 1: as people that like that. It sounds like that's what

1076
00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:11,000
Speaker 1: you are saying. I was going to ask you if

1077
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:12,600
Speaker 1: you've if you've done that now, I think you guys

1078
00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:14,960
Speaker 1: would love it. We'll get into the Cunali Yoga Festival.

1079
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:16,760
Speaker 1: We knew the podcast from there and something. So you're

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00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:18,840
Speaker 1: saying we can get the same thing we get from LSD,

1081
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:21,800
Speaker 1: except we don't have to drastically change our body chemistry

1082
00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:25,520
Speaker 1: with drugs. You don't. You actually change your body chemistry

1083
00:57:25,600 --> 00:57:28,600
Speaker 1: by doing this kind of meditation. There's some kind of

1084
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:31,920
Speaker 1: like hormonal changes that happen. I don't. I'm not like

1085
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:34,440
Speaker 1: a neuroscientist, so I can't tell you what exactly goes

1086
00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:36,200
Speaker 1: on when you do this, but they do. They've done

1087
00:57:36,200 --> 00:57:39,800
Speaker 1: a lot of studies about this specific style of meditation

1088
00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:43,480
Speaker 1: in yoga, and the brain changes when you do it,

1089
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:47,840
Speaker 1: and it's like helps you to have a more a

1090
00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:52,120
Speaker 1: broader perspective so that you can live your life with

1091
00:57:52,600 --> 00:57:57,720
Speaker 1: and like have a connected experience with your own inner divinity,

1092
00:57:57,840 --> 00:58:02,560
Speaker 1: your own creative you know wisdom, that life force that

1093
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:05,720
Speaker 1: flows through you and guides you to the best, you know,

1094
00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:08,960
Speaker 1: best life possible for you. That is unbelievable. Today, I

1095
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:11,640
Speaker 1: just play you guys, like hi right now, just yes,

1096
00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:13,880
Speaker 1: I know I'm a little like I'm listening to you,

1097
00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:17,240
Speaker 1: and I'm soothed to be honest. I always talked myself

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00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:21,440
Speaker 1: out of um, well, many things, but like like with meditation.

1099
00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:24,280
Speaker 1: I had an ex boyfriend that got really into it

1100
00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:26,640
Speaker 1: after we broke up, and I was just thinking to myself, like,

1101
00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:29,120
Speaker 1: oh God, was that me that I caused him to

1102
00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:32,520
Speaker 1: go nuts? But he but because I I it was

1103
00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:34,800
Speaker 1: just so not a part of my culture, like I'm

1104
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:36,800
Speaker 1: like from like a working class family on a long

1105
00:58:36,840 --> 00:58:38,880
Speaker 1: island like where it was just kind of like the

1106
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:41,080
Speaker 1: emotions of it all kind of got swept under the

1107
00:58:41,160 --> 00:58:42,760
Speaker 1: rug a little bit, and I didn't really become like

1108
00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:46,320
Speaker 1: emotionally in touch with myself until my twenties. And so

1109
00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:48,840
Speaker 1: this was the first experience I had being close with

1110
00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:52,320
Speaker 1: someone who got really into meditation. But it was such

1111
00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:55,440
Speaker 1: a positive change for him, and I I would try

1112
00:58:55,480 --> 00:58:57,440
Speaker 1: to do it, and I find that, um, this is

1113
00:58:57,480 --> 00:58:59,400
Speaker 1: probably just the beginner thing that people tell you all

1114
00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:01,800
Speaker 1: the time. It my mind would just race and I

1115
00:59:01,840 --> 00:59:04,720
Speaker 1: could feel like I could never get comm enough to

1116
00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:06,600
Speaker 1: a place where I would let it work for me,

1117
00:59:06,720 --> 00:59:09,440
Speaker 1: and so I've just never really committed to it. Do

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00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:12,160
Speaker 1: you have any advice for people who it's probably most

1119
00:59:12,200 --> 00:59:14,160
Speaker 1: difficult in the beginning, but want to push past that

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00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:17,240
Speaker 1: because they want this to work for them. Yeah, totally.

1121
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:19,760
Speaker 1: And that's a that is such a common experience for

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00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:23,240
Speaker 1: new meditators. I mean, it's just like you have all

1123
00:59:23,320 --> 00:59:26,440
Speaker 1: of these patterns and habits in your mind of thinking

1124
00:59:26,720 --> 00:59:30,000
Speaker 1: and you haven't ever tried to change them or really

1125
00:59:30,120 --> 00:59:32,200
Speaker 1: look at them before. They're just kind of operating in you.

1126
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:34,560
Speaker 1: So it's a natural thing to sit down and just

1127
00:59:34,680 --> 00:59:37,680
Speaker 1: be totally wired. So what I would encourage you to

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00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:42,720
Speaker 1: do is two things. One, get some like physical activity

1129
00:59:42,840 --> 00:59:45,480
Speaker 1: before you try to sit down, which is this real

1130
00:59:45,600 --> 00:59:49,760
Speaker 1: purpose of yoga is to prepare the body for meditation.

1131
00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:54,000
Speaker 1: So your people are doing this more strenuous Spanyasa flow

1132
00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:57,520
Speaker 1: yoga classes or Kundalini yoga classes, so that they can

1133
00:59:58,360 --> 01:00:00,760
Speaker 1: calm the body down or tie or the body out

1134
01:00:00,920 --> 01:00:04,680
Speaker 1: enough that you can have a little more spaciousness in

1135
01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:07,160
Speaker 1: the mind and have a little more relaxation in your mind,

1136
01:00:07,600 --> 01:00:10,880
Speaker 1: because the body and the mind are intimately connected, right

1137
01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:13,000
Speaker 1: The body speaks in the language of feelings, the mind

1138
01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:15,000
Speaker 1: speaks in the language of thoughts. They're just trying to

1139
01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:18,360
Speaker 1: get your attention. So when you sit down, what you

1140
01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:20,600
Speaker 1: want to do is have a little more relaxation in

1141
01:00:20,680 --> 01:00:24,240
Speaker 1: the body and then start to get some understanding of

1142
01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:27,720
Speaker 1: what you're doing. In meditation, it's like you want to

1143
01:00:27,800 --> 01:00:31,160
Speaker 1: know if you're beginning to be a painter, you can

1144
01:00:31,240 --> 01:00:33,160
Speaker 1: just go to the store and buy some paints and

1145
01:00:33,200 --> 01:00:35,160
Speaker 1: buy a canvas and just start doing it, and it

1146
01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:37,920
Speaker 1: might be good or it might be horrible. But if

1147
01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:40,760
Speaker 1: you have instruction, or if you have like if you've

1148
01:00:40,800 --> 01:00:43,280
Speaker 1: gone through some YouTube videos and learned about like some

1149
01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:47,040
Speaker 1: painting basics, then you're just more prepared to sit there

1150
01:00:47,160 --> 01:00:50,000
Speaker 1: and be okay with yourself being a beginner and messing

1151
01:00:50,120 --> 01:00:53,480
Speaker 1: up and trying over again. So meditation is similar to that,

1152
01:00:53,640 --> 01:00:56,160
Speaker 1: where it's like, just learn a little bit about what

1153
01:00:56,360 --> 01:00:58,280
Speaker 1: it is what you're trying to do, because what you're

1154
01:00:58,280 --> 01:01:02,240
Speaker 1: really trying to do is calm like activate the prefrontal cortex,

1155
01:01:02,320 --> 01:01:05,840
Speaker 1: which is your um it's your CEO in your brain. Basically,

1156
01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:09,520
Speaker 1: it's your decision maker. It's the like it's the thinking

1157
01:01:09,800 --> 01:01:12,200
Speaker 1: part of the brain, the executive functioning. You want to

1158
01:01:12,520 --> 01:01:15,520
Speaker 1: activate that, but you want to close down all your

1159
01:01:15,560 --> 01:01:17,760
Speaker 1: other senses. So you want to close your eyes. You

1160
01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:19,920
Speaker 1: want to draw your attention inward, and you want to

1161
01:01:19,960 --> 01:01:22,920
Speaker 1: focus all of your attention here at the front of

1162
01:01:23,000 --> 01:01:25,280
Speaker 1: the forehead, so like the third eye area, that like

1163
01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:28,600
Speaker 1: mid brain area. And as you do that, these other

1164
01:01:28,760 --> 01:01:31,560
Speaker 1: parts of your brain, like the reptilian brain that's responsible

1165
01:01:31,640 --> 01:01:35,800
Speaker 1: for habits and survival all those things, starts to calm down.

1166
01:01:35,880 --> 01:01:38,480
Speaker 1: The limbic brain, which is emotion, starts to calm down,

1167
01:01:39,160 --> 01:01:42,720
Speaker 1: starts to get quiet, and really so then only what's

1168
01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:47,720
Speaker 1: really online and what's active is this prefrontal lobe, which

1169
01:01:47,800 --> 01:01:51,480
Speaker 1: is where you can start to have some more deeper

1170
01:01:51,560 --> 01:01:57,160
Speaker 1: awareness about yourself, like what is this What is causing

1171
01:01:57,240 --> 01:02:00,480
Speaker 1: this negative consequence in my life? Like I haven't I

1172
01:02:00,640 --> 01:02:02,720
Speaker 1: don't know what's going on, but my relationship is not

1173
01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:06,400
Speaker 1: going well. I wonder why that's happening. How am I

1174
01:02:06,640 --> 01:02:12,800
Speaker 1: somehow creating this situation, co creating this situation in my relationship,

1175
01:02:13,120 --> 01:02:15,320
Speaker 1: you can start to ask yourself questions like that to

1176
01:02:15,440 --> 01:02:20,680
Speaker 1: develop some more awareness of how you are ultimately responsible

1177
01:02:20,840 --> 01:02:23,720
Speaker 1: for creating your own reality. So it really puts you

1178
01:02:23,800 --> 01:02:26,920
Speaker 1: in the power seat of your life doing that, so

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01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:29,400
Speaker 1: then you can actually make different decisions and choices and

1180
01:02:29,760 --> 01:02:32,840
Speaker 1: and actually change your life for the better. You're very

1181
01:02:32,920 --> 01:02:35,160
Speaker 1: good at just breaking this down in a very clear way,

1182
01:02:35,200 --> 01:02:38,120
Speaker 1: because I've I've always wondered like how to verbalize this

1183
01:02:38,240 --> 01:02:40,200
Speaker 1: and that, like it makes complete sense to me. And

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01:02:40,400 --> 01:02:42,640
Speaker 1: I was watching one of your YouTube videos the other

1185
01:02:42,760 --> 01:02:44,920
Speaker 1: day when you were talking references before, but when you

1186
01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:49,200
Speaker 1: were talking about scarcity mindset even just like um, which

1187
01:02:49,280 --> 01:02:51,320
Speaker 1: is the fixation on what you don't have, and how

1188
01:02:51,400 --> 01:02:54,200
Speaker 1: that's ultimately not productive um, and how that's a choice

1189
01:02:54,240 --> 01:02:58,280
Speaker 1: to feel that way actually, and it's it's not necessarily

1190
01:02:58,360 --> 01:03:00,720
Speaker 1: easy to stop thinking about way it's And when you

1191
01:03:00,880 --> 01:03:04,160
Speaker 1: can identify that, you can identify why you're in a

1192
01:03:04,560 --> 01:03:08,280
Speaker 1: like toxic holding pattern or you're focusing on negative stuff. Yeah,

1193
01:03:08,840 --> 01:03:11,280
Speaker 1: it's this false sense of we think we can change

1194
01:03:12,160 --> 01:03:15,720
Speaker 1: the thing that we're obsessed over by obsessing over it.

1195
01:03:15,880 --> 01:03:18,440
Speaker 1: And it's like, actually it's a trap, but that just

1196
01:03:18,560 --> 01:03:22,280
Speaker 1: feeds it more. Yeah, totally. And in quarantine, I think

1197
01:03:22,320 --> 01:03:23,880
Speaker 1: that a lot of us are having a lot of

1198
01:03:24,040 --> 01:03:27,640
Speaker 1: problems with that because we're just sitting around and with

1199
01:03:27,800 --> 01:03:29,640
Speaker 1: not much to do and a lot of a ton

1200
01:03:29,720 --> 01:03:32,320
Speaker 1: of uncertainty, and that, of course, like is a breeding

1201
01:03:32,360 --> 01:03:34,880
Speaker 1: ground for being alone with ourselves. It's so funny when

1202
01:03:34,920 --> 01:03:37,840
Speaker 1: people say, right now, we're quote unquote alone, because I

1203
01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:40,800
Speaker 1: think we're not really alone, because we're with the thousands

1204
01:03:40,840 --> 01:03:44,720
Speaker 1: of voices in our heads. How have you how have

1205
01:03:44,840 --> 01:03:46,800
Speaker 1: you been dealing with the quarantine of it all? Have

1206
01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:48,520
Speaker 1: you found yourself like coping with a lot of this

1207
01:03:48,600 --> 01:03:51,040
Speaker 1: stuff or do you feel prepared for this or I'm

1208
01:03:51,080 --> 01:03:53,960
Speaker 1: wondering where your head is at. Yeah, Honestly, it's been

1209
01:03:54,000 --> 01:03:57,560
Speaker 1: super helpful for me because what I've recognized through this

1210
01:03:57,760 --> 01:04:02,240
Speaker 1: quarantine experience is how asked I was moving and how

1211
01:04:02,320 --> 01:04:04,640
Speaker 1: I was trying to keep up, Like I had this

1212
01:04:04,840 --> 01:04:07,320
Speaker 1: external pressure on myself to keep up. And it wasn't

1213
01:04:07,360 --> 01:04:08,960
Speaker 1: like I was trying to keep up with other people

1214
01:04:09,240 --> 01:04:11,200
Speaker 1: or compete with other people. It was more like myself

1215
01:04:11,760 --> 01:04:13,240
Speaker 1: like I was putting all this pressure to keep up

1216
01:04:13,280 --> 01:04:15,480
Speaker 1: with myself and like make all these commitments and say

1217
01:04:15,520 --> 01:04:17,400
Speaker 1: I saw this stuff and go go go and figure

1218
01:04:17,440 --> 01:04:19,560
Speaker 1: out childcare and do the best thing with my baby

1219
01:04:19,640 --> 01:04:21,960
Speaker 1: and be the best mom and be the best everything,

1220
01:04:22,120 --> 01:04:25,800
Speaker 1: literally everything. And when this quarantine hit, I was like, oh,

1221
01:04:27,160 --> 01:04:31,320
Speaker 1: I'm doing that to myself, and it's so stressful to

1222
01:04:31,440 --> 01:04:34,360
Speaker 1: live that way, and so it just gave me a

1223
01:04:34,480 --> 01:04:38,560
Speaker 1: sigh of relief, honestly to not have to put on

1224
01:04:38,720 --> 01:04:42,320
Speaker 1: clothes and go to a social engagement and like make

1225
01:04:42,360 --> 01:04:45,720
Speaker 1: sure that my child was getting like puzzles or whatever,

1226
01:04:45,920 --> 01:04:48,000
Speaker 1: like brain stimulation. I was like, you know what, she's

1227
01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:51,680
Speaker 1: gonna be fine. She's actually okay, Yeah, she's like eating

1228
01:04:52,080 --> 01:04:54,200
Speaker 1: just spilling a huge tub of popcorn in my living room,

1229
01:04:54,320 --> 01:04:57,600
Speaker 1: literally eating popcorn off the rug. Fine, she didn't we

1230
01:04:57,680 --> 01:05:00,080
Speaker 1: all do that as kid? I do that to I

1231
01:05:00,240 --> 01:05:03,840
Speaker 1: do this, do that once a week. No, that's great.

1232
01:05:03,880 --> 01:05:07,080
Speaker 1: The part because because because the other the corollary I

1233
01:05:07,160 --> 01:05:10,200
Speaker 1: guess to the scarcity mindset um lesson I would say

1234
01:05:10,280 --> 01:05:14,280
Speaker 1: is that, uh, it's it's slightly more productive to imagine

1235
01:05:14,320 --> 01:05:16,080
Speaker 1: how you would feel if you had the thing and

1236
01:05:16,240 --> 01:05:19,560
Speaker 1: behave let that affect and inform the behavior from from

1237
01:05:19,840 --> 01:05:24,480
Speaker 1: from that place instead of constantly fixitting on the lack. Yeah,

1238
01:05:24,640 --> 01:05:27,520
Speaker 1: so it can shift you out of this hamster whiled

1239
01:05:27,520 --> 01:05:29,800
Speaker 1: as I was comparing it too, because it's like, if

1240
01:05:29,920 --> 01:05:31,880
Speaker 1: we think we're missing something like stay on the edge

1241
01:05:31,880 --> 01:05:33,560
Speaker 1: of ex stanction. We don't have food, right, and when

1242
01:05:33,640 --> 01:05:37,120
Speaker 1: you start obsessing, like Survivor, people talk about food all

1243
01:05:37,520 --> 01:05:40,280
Speaker 1: the time. Production will just sit there and start throwing

1244
01:05:40,400 --> 01:05:42,760
Speaker 1: rocks at each other. They're so bored because we're talking

1245
01:05:42,800 --> 01:05:48,320
Speaker 1: about smores and like pancakes. Again, we just get obsessed

1246
01:05:48,320 --> 01:05:50,480
Speaker 1: about the thing that we're missing. And this happens in

1247
01:05:50,760 --> 01:05:55,320
Speaker 1: every aspect of life, like time, money, relationships, jobs. You

1248
01:05:55,400 --> 01:05:58,200
Speaker 1: obsess over the thing that you think you're missing, and

1249
01:05:58,320 --> 01:06:00,200
Speaker 1: you think, oh, if I just go faster, if I

1250
01:06:00,280 --> 01:06:02,600
Speaker 1: try harder than I'll get the thing that I'm missing.

1251
01:06:03,200 --> 01:06:06,160
Speaker 1: But just for the mere fact that you're thinking in

1252
01:06:06,360 --> 01:06:09,040
Speaker 1: terms of what you're missing means you're going to get

1253
01:06:09,280 --> 01:06:12,440
Speaker 1: more of what you're missing. It's like focusing on what

1254
01:06:12,560 --> 01:06:14,960
Speaker 1: you don't want. If you're paying attention to what you

1255
01:06:15,080 --> 01:06:17,440
Speaker 1: don't want, you're like, I don't want to be single,

1256
01:06:17,800 --> 01:06:19,880
Speaker 1: and that's all you think about. You were going to

1257
01:06:19,920 --> 01:06:22,400
Speaker 1: be single for the rest of your life, sorry to say,

1258
01:06:22,640 --> 01:06:25,280
Speaker 1: so you have to shift over into what would it

1259
01:06:25,440 --> 01:06:28,560
Speaker 1: feel like to be in a relationship, like with someone

1260
01:06:28,600 --> 01:06:31,160
Speaker 1: who I really loved and cared about, and what would

1261
01:06:31,160 --> 01:06:33,760
Speaker 1: we be doing together, and how would we be interacting

1262
01:06:33,800 --> 01:06:35,360
Speaker 1: and what would we would be how would we be

1263
01:06:35,480 --> 01:06:37,520
Speaker 1: spending our time, what would be staying to each other?

1264
01:06:38,520 --> 01:06:40,720
Speaker 1: So I like, did this at one point in my life?

1265
01:06:40,760 --> 01:06:44,240
Speaker 1: I did? I wanted a relationship, And so I realized

1266
01:06:44,280 --> 01:06:46,320
Speaker 1: that the choices I was making at the time, we're

1267
01:06:46,320 --> 01:06:49,440
Speaker 1: not going to lead me towards a healthy relationship that

1268
01:06:51,520 --> 01:06:57,360
Speaker 1: healthy period. Cold Turkey cut my man addiction and just stopped.

1269
01:06:57,400 --> 01:06:59,440
Speaker 1: And I was like, all right, forty days, I am

1270
01:06:59,480 --> 01:07:02,560
Speaker 1: going on a nan clean I am not dating. I

1271
01:07:02,680 --> 01:07:05,320
Speaker 1: am not flirting, which was very hard for me. I

1272
01:07:05,400 --> 01:07:07,720
Speaker 1: am not perusing the aisles of Whole Foods looking for

1273
01:07:07,800 --> 01:07:17,320
Speaker 1: hot guys. I am on a break that they're Girlson's

1274
01:07:17,560 --> 01:07:23,640
Speaker 1: toe up. No, okay, that's actually really get the Galson's rule.

1275
01:07:23,680 --> 01:07:31,320
Speaker 1: If that's real culture numbers up. Yes, toe up is

1276
01:07:31,320 --> 01:07:34,080
Speaker 1: actually one of the phrases that I love the most,

1277
01:07:34,240 --> 01:07:38,040
Speaker 1: Like have you seen clueless? Clearly, so the scene with

1278
01:07:38,160 --> 01:07:41,480
Speaker 1: Dionne where where um they're they're like playing tennis, and

1279
01:07:42,120 --> 01:07:45,800
Speaker 1: Brittany Murphy, the goddess um comes in and she's like

1280
01:07:46,440 --> 01:07:49,160
Speaker 1: not looking great, chairs like, oh my god, that's a

1281
01:07:49,240 --> 01:07:54,040
Speaker 1: new project. And Dion goes share she is toe are Stuck?

1282
01:07:54,240 --> 01:07:57,600
Speaker 1: Would plummet just the best script of all time? But

1283
01:07:57,760 --> 01:08:00,120
Speaker 1: toe up is music? Come back? Okay? So and a

1284
01:08:00,160 --> 01:08:03,680
Speaker 1: man cleanse. You brought it right back? You just did that. Yeah,

1285
01:08:03,720 --> 01:08:05,720
Speaker 1: So I'm on a man clans. So while I'm doing this,

1286
01:08:06,240 --> 01:08:08,720
Speaker 1: I'm like, I commit to forty a forty day period

1287
01:08:09,280 --> 01:08:13,480
Speaker 1: of stopping the obsession. So this is really helpful for

1288
01:08:13,560 --> 01:08:16,360
Speaker 1: those of you who have been fixating on things. Commit

1289
01:08:16,560 --> 01:08:19,160
Speaker 1: to a period of time. Forty days is good because

1290
01:08:19,200 --> 01:08:20,760
Speaker 1: that's enough time to give your brain a chance to

1291
01:08:20,880 --> 01:08:24,800
Speaker 1: establish a new habit. So forty days commit and then

1292
01:08:25,000 --> 01:08:27,080
Speaker 1: you decide, what is it? What's my purpose here? What

1293
01:08:27,160 --> 01:08:29,080
Speaker 1: am I trying to do for me? I wanted to

1294
01:08:29,240 --> 01:08:32,799
Speaker 1: create a relationship with someone who could eventually lead towards

1295
01:08:32,880 --> 01:08:35,160
Speaker 1: marriage and a family, because it was like I knew

1296
01:08:35,320 --> 01:08:37,400
Speaker 1: in my bones I wanted to have a baby, and

1297
01:08:38,080 --> 01:08:41,320
Speaker 1: I wanted that so bad. So I did this. I committed.

1298
01:08:42,080 --> 01:08:44,400
Speaker 1: I had my intention. I want to create a relationship

1299
01:08:44,479 --> 01:08:46,680
Speaker 1: that leads towards marriage. Then I start journaling about it.

1300
01:08:46,760 --> 01:08:49,040
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, well, what do I want this guy

1301
01:08:49,080 --> 01:08:50,920
Speaker 1: to look like? What do I want to feel like

1302
01:08:51,000 --> 01:08:53,080
Speaker 1: inside of this relationship? What do I want us to

1303
01:08:53,080 --> 01:08:55,640
Speaker 1: be doing? Like? I wanted someone who was adventurous, who

1304
01:08:55,760 --> 01:08:59,639
Speaker 1: was athletic, who liked being outdoors and like doing fun

1305
01:08:59,720 --> 01:09:05,280
Speaker 1: things and musical and sporting, and yeah, took a really

1306
01:09:05,400 --> 01:09:09,640
Speaker 1: handsome rocket scientist. He's a rocket scis I know, I

1307
01:09:09,720 --> 01:09:14,360
Speaker 1: know that, I know this, and as and a gorgeous man.

1308
01:09:14,800 --> 01:09:19,639
Speaker 1: He's pretty your journal, your journal, So I journal about

1309
01:09:19,640 --> 01:09:21,960
Speaker 1: it and literally, okay, So as I'm going through this

1310
01:09:22,320 --> 01:09:28,200
Speaker 1: process for myself, I have I'm tested. I'm tested guys. Yes,

1311
01:09:28,840 --> 01:09:30,600
Speaker 1: a couple of guys pop up in my field and

1312
01:09:30,640 --> 01:09:33,960
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, that would be fun to engage with. Yeah,

1313
01:09:34,120 --> 01:09:36,160
Speaker 1: that's going to happen to you if you make this commitment.

1314
01:09:36,280 --> 01:09:41,560
Speaker 1: Just know you will reins sport. So that's happening. I

1315
01:09:41,640 --> 01:09:43,760
Speaker 1: have to keep bringing myself back to my intention, to

1316
01:09:43,880 --> 01:09:47,680
Speaker 1: my commitment to clear the obsession. And I'm journaling and

1317
01:09:47,800 --> 01:09:50,439
Speaker 1: at night I'm going to bed and I'm imagine I'm

1318
01:09:50,520 --> 01:09:53,600
Speaker 1: like feeling my head laying on this guy's chest. I

1319
01:09:53,920 --> 01:09:56,560
Speaker 1: like feeling what it would feel like to have this

1320
01:09:56,640 --> 01:09:59,439
Speaker 1: guy in bed with me, like laying there being together.

1321
01:09:59,800 --> 01:10:03,240
Speaker 1: And I swear I have this moment where I close

1322
01:10:03,320 --> 01:10:05,840
Speaker 1: my eyes and I see in my mind this blue

1323
01:10:05,960 --> 01:10:09,679
Speaker 1: flame in outer space and this pink flame in outer space,

1324
01:10:09,760 --> 01:10:13,160
Speaker 1: and they're like dancing independently, and then they come together

1325
01:10:13,200 --> 01:10:15,439
Speaker 1: and it's this bonfire and then they separate and they

1326
01:10:15,560 --> 01:10:17,680
Speaker 1: danced in depend I swear, you, guys, I can't make

1327
01:10:17,680 --> 01:10:19,360
Speaker 1: this stuff up. And as we know in the game

1328
01:10:19,400 --> 01:10:30,080
Speaker 1: of Survivor, fire is life, fire fire is family. Yeah.

1329
01:10:30,280 --> 01:10:33,560
Speaker 1: So then literally a week after I'm done with the

1330
01:10:33,680 --> 01:10:37,720
Speaker 1: forty day cleanse, I meet John from Survivor Samoa. We

1331
01:10:38,120 --> 01:10:40,720
Speaker 1: are in a car soccer game, Yeah, on the way

1332
01:10:40,800 --> 01:10:43,240
Speaker 1: to a soccer game. He slides I slide next to

1333
01:10:43,280 --> 01:10:44,920
Speaker 1: him in the back seat, and I'm like, oh my gosh.

1334
01:10:45,840 --> 01:10:49,400
Speaker 1: We've met before like once, and it was nothing. And

1335
01:10:49,479 --> 01:10:51,160
Speaker 1: then this time I was like in a whole different

1336
01:10:51,200 --> 01:10:54,360
Speaker 1: headspace because you know, I did my thing and I

1337
01:10:54,600 --> 01:10:57,960
Speaker 1: was so into him, like from right away. He was

1338
01:10:58,000 --> 01:11:00,680
Speaker 1: like so comfortable and I just like leay my head

1339
01:11:00,720 --> 01:11:02,000
Speaker 1: on his shoulder and I was like, don't do it.

1340
01:11:02,080 --> 01:11:05,160
Speaker 1: Part don't do it. Oh my god, that's so funny

1341
01:11:05,200 --> 01:11:07,479
Speaker 1: you say that, Like out of nowhere, I knew what

1342
01:11:07,560 --> 01:11:08,960
Speaker 1: I wanted to be with my boyfriend and I found

1343
01:11:09,000 --> 01:11:12,200
Speaker 1: myself like without even thinking, just kind of going like that.

1344
01:11:12,439 --> 01:11:17,280
Speaker 1: I was like, playing yourself. That's the best. Yes. So

1345
01:11:17,400 --> 01:11:18,960
Speaker 1: then we were and then we were dating ever since.

1346
01:11:19,120 --> 01:11:22,639
Speaker 1: So it's manifestation one oh one. Honestly, I mean, I'm

1347
01:11:22,720 --> 01:11:25,439
Speaker 1: literally going to do this, do it forty days now.

1348
01:11:25,840 --> 01:11:27,920
Speaker 1: I mean at this point, I mean with quarantine, it's

1349
01:11:27,920 --> 01:11:30,320
Speaker 1: just no apps. But like that's that's that's already a

1350
01:11:30,479 --> 01:11:34,640
Speaker 1: huge shift. It's a huge lurch into committing to this

1351
01:11:34,960 --> 01:11:37,760
Speaker 1: and committing to knowing what I want. It's also this

1352
01:11:37,840 --> 01:11:40,000
Speaker 1: thing now where it's like, I mean all we're talking

1353
01:11:40,000 --> 01:11:42,519
Speaker 1: about now is like missing human interaction and among other

1354
01:11:42,560 --> 01:11:44,640
Speaker 1: things obviously, but it's like, okay, but the more I

1355
01:11:44,760 --> 01:11:48,280
Speaker 1: think about not interacting with humans, does that create does

1356
01:11:48,360 --> 01:11:51,160
Speaker 1: that set me up for just missing it even more

1357
01:11:51,320 --> 01:11:54,000
Speaker 1: or just obsessing over the lack of that. Well, I'll

1358
01:11:54,000 --> 01:11:56,080
Speaker 1: tell you how you can tell Do you want to know? Yes,

1359
01:11:56,280 --> 01:11:59,600
Speaker 1: we want to know when you're obsessing about something, just

1360
01:11:59,800 --> 01:12:01,920
Speaker 1: no is how it makes you feel when you're thinking

1361
01:12:01,960 --> 01:12:04,920
Speaker 1: about oh I'm missing interaction and missing humans. Does it

1362
01:12:05,000 --> 01:12:09,000
Speaker 1: make you feel like empowered and inspired? What does it

1363
01:12:09,040 --> 01:12:11,400
Speaker 1: make you feel like? It makes you feel sad and

1364
01:12:11,920 --> 01:12:14,720
Speaker 1: um miserable and like, I mean stress if you want

1365
01:12:14,760 --> 01:12:17,040
Speaker 1: to define it as like being uncertain about the future,

1366
01:12:17,080 --> 01:12:19,599
Speaker 1: like that's all that that's all that is. It's pure stress. Yeah,

1367
01:12:19,720 --> 01:12:22,519
Speaker 1: So from that place, you're going to keep creating more

1368
01:12:22,640 --> 01:12:25,679
Speaker 1: of that. So you have to shift your body into

1369
01:12:25,760 --> 01:12:28,840
Speaker 1: a state of more like openness, feeling good, feeling more alive,

1370
01:12:28,880 --> 01:12:32,479
Speaker 1: feeling more joyful. That's how you can create from that place.

1371
01:12:33,520 --> 01:12:35,760
Speaker 1: So you notice, like when you're obsessing over something and

1372
01:12:35,800 --> 01:12:37,799
Speaker 1: it doesn't make you feel good, it makes you feel crappy,

1373
01:12:38,320 --> 01:12:42,160
Speaker 1: then that's a great signal. That's great. It's like great information.

1374
01:12:42,240 --> 01:12:44,000
Speaker 1: There's no judgment around any of this whatever. It's just

1375
01:12:44,120 --> 01:12:46,680
Speaker 1: great information for you to notice, oh my gosh, i'm

1376
01:12:46,760 --> 01:12:50,000
Speaker 1: doing it. I'm creating more of this crap that I

1377
01:12:50,040 --> 01:12:53,559
Speaker 1: don't want. So then you can empower yourself to move

1378
01:12:53,600 --> 01:12:56,240
Speaker 1: out of that. And then that's when you hold your

1379
01:12:56,320 --> 01:12:58,520
Speaker 1: arm up for six hours and you're like, I'm amazing.

1380
01:12:58,960 --> 01:13:05,519
Speaker 1: Oh money, you win immunity in life. You guys are

1381
01:13:05,600 --> 01:13:09,800
Speaker 1: learning that well literally yes, I mean like it literally has.

1382
01:13:10,080 --> 01:13:12,400
Speaker 1: It's like I mean when I when I got into

1383
01:13:12,439 --> 01:13:15,160
Speaker 1: The Housewives, I was like, not much as positive is

1384
01:13:15,200 --> 01:13:17,639
Speaker 1: coming from this, but at least it is like it's

1385
01:13:17,640 --> 01:13:20,400
Speaker 1: showing people who are like, you know, fully engaging with

1386
01:13:20,479 --> 01:13:22,840
Speaker 1: their lives, and like, even if it is conflict driven,

1387
01:13:22,920 --> 01:13:24,519
Speaker 1: like at least they're saying in the way they feel,

1388
01:13:24,840 --> 01:13:26,600
Speaker 1: and that is something positive that I got from it.

1389
01:13:26,920 --> 01:13:30,120
Speaker 1: With Survivor, it's like there, I think the positive thing

1390
01:13:30,200 --> 01:13:33,080
Speaker 1: that I get from it is just like understanding people

1391
01:13:33,439 --> 01:13:35,720
Speaker 1: and the way that they act and thinking to myself, like,

1392
01:13:36,000 --> 01:13:38,800
Speaker 1: this is how people act when they feel that they're

1393
01:13:38,800 --> 01:13:41,559
Speaker 1: acting in their own best interest, And it's just very

1394
01:13:41,640 --> 01:13:43,840
Speaker 1: interesting as like a social We talked on our last

1395
01:13:43,880 --> 01:13:46,880
Speaker 1: episode about how like it's a very interesting microcosm of

1396
01:13:46,960 --> 01:13:51,439
Speaker 1: the world Survivor for people, they see what they want

1397
01:13:51,479 --> 01:13:54,160
Speaker 1: to see. Oh yeah, well don't we all. And that's

1398
01:13:54,200 --> 01:13:56,200
Speaker 1: the thing with Natalie, that's the reason why she didn't win,

1399
01:13:56,680 --> 01:13:59,560
Speaker 1: because because she just she didn't give enough. She was

1400
01:13:59,680 --> 01:14:04,120
Speaker 1: like of hoarding her coins and and like I still

1401
01:14:04,200 --> 01:14:06,320
Speaker 1: voted for her because I just think what she did

1402
01:14:06,439 --> 01:14:09,240
Speaker 1: was totally epic. Being able to vote such a good story,

1403
01:14:09,439 --> 01:14:11,200
Speaker 1: come back and disrupt in the way that she did.

1404
01:14:11,479 --> 01:14:15,240
Speaker 1: She rocks. She she's so much fun, but she's also

1405
01:14:15,400 --> 01:14:19,280
Speaker 1: like the reason she didn't win is because she didn't

1406
01:14:19,400 --> 01:14:22,960
Speaker 1: get the jurors from the edge. She wasn't like generous

1407
01:14:23,040 --> 01:14:25,519
Speaker 1: enough with them, She wasn't willing to give up some

1408
01:14:25,680 --> 01:14:29,639
Speaker 1: of her I gotta say, I gotta say, I can't

1409
01:14:29,680 --> 01:14:33,320
Speaker 1: stand that um line of thinking because I wanted to

1410
01:14:33,360 --> 01:14:36,080
Speaker 1: ask you this too. So I read an interview, an

1411
01:14:36,080 --> 01:14:39,559
Speaker 1: exit interview with Sarah Lesina Um, and she was saying

1412
01:14:39,600 --> 01:14:41,760
Speaker 1: how she really wasn't aware of the way she was

1413
01:14:41,840 --> 01:14:45,120
Speaker 1: coming off to the jury who were on edge until

1414
01:14:45,200 --> 01:14:47,600
Speaker 1: Natalie came back into The perception was that Tony was

1415
01:14:47,680 --> 01:14:49,360
Speaker 1: running the game and that Sarah would really have to

1416
01:14:49,400 --> 01:14:51,920
Speaker 1: distinguish herself in order to have a chance. And then

1417
01:14:52,080 --> 01:14:55,040
Speaker 1: we had that moment where Sarah Lesina called out the

1418
01:14:55,080 --> 01:14:56,680
Speaker 1: gender bias in the show, when it led to a

1419
01:14:56,760 --> 01:14:59,760
Speaker 1: larger discussion. I wanted to ask you, was that the

1420
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:03,760
Speaker 1: reception on the edge of like were people sort of

1421
01:15:03,840 --> 01:15:07,240
Speaker 1: running the conversation like it kind of feels through the

1422
01:15:07,320 --> 01:15:10,280
Speaker 1: screen like Boston Rob might have been very strong about

1423
01:15:10,280 --> 01:15:12,720
Speaker 1: the way he felt about things that the way they

1424
01:15:12,720 --> 01:15:15,960
Speaker 1: should go and etcetera. Like, was there was there a

1425
01:15:16,040 --> 01:15:19,439
Speaker 1: belief that like Tony was the strongest player and like

1426
01:15:19,880 --> 01:15:23,200
Speaker 1: to anyone else, Like what was that? No, I think

1427
01:15:23,280 --> 01:15:26,599
Speaker 1: what was happening was Sarah. Yes, Boston, Rob is very

1428
01:15:26,640 --> 01:15:29,280
Speaker 1: opinionated and he's always going to tell you how he feels,

1429
01:15:29,400 --> 01:15:32,840
Speaker 1: so you just know that's coming. Like when Sophie and

1430
01:15:33,320 --> 01:15:36,280
Speaker 1: Kim came back from the game, they were the ones

1431
01:15:36,320 --> 01:15:38,759
Speaker 1: who were saying, like, Sarah, I think Sarah's like really

1432
01:15:39,120 --> 01:15:42,200
Speaker 1: putting it on, like she says, she says all these things.

1433
01:15:42,280 --> 01:15:44,080
Speaker 1: She's trying to create a bond with us, and she's

1434
01:15:44,200 --> 01:15:49,120
Speaker 1: using really deeply personal um things to connect with us,

1435
01:15:49,360 --> 01:15:52,000
Speaker 1: and it feels icky. That's what they were saying about

1436
01:15:52,040 --> 01:15:54,280
Speaker 1: working with Sarah. So they came back and they were

1437
01:15:54,320 --> 01:15:57,120
Speaker 1: the ones who were saying it wasn't about Tony being

1438
01:15:57,160 --> 01:16:00,240
Speaker 1: the mastermind. It was more about Sarah kind of lloyd

1439
01:16:00,360 --> 01:16:03,240
Speaker 1: ing a more human connection that they felt was off

1440
01:16:03,320 --> 01:16:06,360
Speaker 1: limits and that's why they didn't want to vote first Sara.

1441
01:16:06,439 --> 01:16:08,160
Speaker 1: So they were the one. I didn't meet Sarah in

1442
01:16:08,160 --> 01:16:09,760
Speaker 1: the game at all. I didn't feel any kind of

1443
01:16:09,800 --> 01:16:11,679
Speaker 1: way about there. And you know how I would feel

1444
01:16:11,680 --> 01:16:13,880
Speaker 1: about girl power, like if she showed up and was like,

1445
01:16:14,479 --> 01:16:16,559
Speaker 1: I am I have been working with Tony this whole time,

1446
01:16:16,680 --> 01:16:19,880
Speaker 1: and now I'm going to blindside him and vote out

1447
01:16:20,040 --> 01:16:23,280
Speaker 1: Ben or whoever whatever, or vote out Tony, Like why

1448
01:16:23,320 --> 01:16:25,240
Speaker 1: didn't you turn on Tony and vote him out? It's

1449
01:16:25,280 --> 01:16:29,160
Speaker 1: really yeah, sure, And people were just falling on their

1450
01:16:29,240 --> 01:16:31,400
Speaker 1: swords left and right at the end, Like how do

1451
01:16:31,400 --> 01:16:33,800
Speaker 1: you guys feel about that? That was very strange for me.

1452
01:16:33,960 --> 01:16:36,200
Speaker 1: I mean it was it was odd to watch people

1453
01:16:36,320 --> 01:16:38,280
Speaker 1: just kind of give up at the end. I was like,

1454
01:16:40,080 --> 01:16:41,760
Speaker 1: you're here, you know what I mean like this, I

1455
01:16:41,800 --> 01:16:43,840
Speaker 1: don't think this helped your narrative at all in the

1456
01:16:43,960 --> 01:16:46,640
Speaker 1: in the larger grand scheme of things. It's like, I

1457
01:16:46,680 --> 01:16:48,840
Speaker 1: don't know, I didn't didn't love that very quickly. I

1458
01:16:48,880 --> 01:16:52,240
Speaker 1: want to say that like you, it seems like you

1459
01:16:52,479 --> 01:16:54,400
Speaker 1: had sort of you were sort of the foreman for

1460
01:16:54,439 --> 01:16:56,479
Speaker 1: the jury in a moment where you were like talking

1461
01:16:56,520 --> 01:16:59,080
Speaker 1: to Tony and you were like talk to us about

1462
01:16:59,120 --> 01:17:01,280
Speaker 1: how you lineside at all of us, but that none

1463
01:17:01,280 --> 01:17:03,360
Speaker 1: of us feel any sort of resentment or ill will

1464
01:17:03,400 --> 01:17:05,240
Speaker 1: towards you, Like that kind of like that was the

1465
01:17:05,280 --> 01:17:07,960
Speaker 1: moment We're wearing you like, oh, I actually thought Natalie

1466
01:17:07,960 --> 01:17:09,360
Speaker 1: had had a shot at winning this, but it's probably

1467
01:17:09,360 --> 01:17:11,280
Speaker 1: go to Tony because none of the jury members really

1468
01:17:11,280 --> 01:17:15,400
Speaker 1: feel that Tony was responsible for them being where they were.

1469
01:17:16,479 --> 01:17:19,720
Speaker 1: That really is truly a testament to Tony's mastery in

1470
01:17:20,040 --> 01:17:24,200
Speaker 1: the Game of Survivor because him being able to blindside

1471
01:17:24,320 --> 01:17:27,120
Speaker 1: and back sub and vote people out, these big ego

1472
01:17:27,400 --> 01:17:32,040
Speaker 1: people like Jeremy, like he windle all these people and

1473
01:17:32,280 --> 01:17:35,640
Speaker 1: not have them feel like I hate you, I'm going

1474
01:17:35,680 --> 01:17:38,160
Speaker 1: to destroy you. And none of them were campaigning against

1475
01:17:38,200 --> 01:17:41,160
Speaker 1: Tony at all, right, So it's just it was a

1476
01:17:41,240 --> 01:17:43,519
Speaker 1: testament like, Wow, you've done something that I've never been

1477
01:17:43,560 --> 01:17:45,760
Speaker 1: able to pull off in this game. When I vote

1478
01:17:45,800 --> 01:17:49,200
Speaker 1: people off, they hate me. And I don't know if

1479
01:17:49,280 --> 01:17:53,040
Speaker 1: that's the that's the gender bias happening, because I think

1480
01:17:53,080 --> 01:17:55,439
Speaker 1: it could be a little gender bias where it's like, oh,

1481
01:17:55,600 --> 01:17:57,560
Speaker 1: I got got by it like an alpha dude, but

1482
01:17:57,800 --> 01:18:00,320
Speaker 1: that's cool because that's what they're supposed to do. But

1483
01:18:00,400 --> 01:18:03,080
Speaker 1: when a woman gets you, it's like, oh, I got

1484
01:18:03,120 --> 01:18:06,439
Speaker 1: played by a girl. For sure. This actually correlates to

1485
01:18:06,520 --> 01:18:08,840
Speaker 1: my I don't think so, honey, to be very honest,

1486
01:18:08,960 --> 01:18:10,800
Speaker 1: which we are gonna take a very quick break and

1487
01:18:10,800 --> 01:18:20,920
Speaker 1: then come back and do that right after this, and

1488
01:18:21,120 --> 01:18:24,040
Speaker 1: we are back even and so now it is time

1489
01:18:24,160 --> 01:18:26,160
Speaker 1: for I don't think so honey, and it is truly

1490
01:18:26,520 --> 01:18:28,360
Speaker 1: the joy of my life that Partty is going to

1491
01:18:28,400 --> 01:18:30,200
Speaker 1: be doing this with us. So for those of you

1492
01:18:30,360 --> 01:18:32,200
Speaker 1: who may be tuning in for the first time to

1493
01:18:32,280 --> 01:18:34,519
Speaker 1: Lost Coach and thank you for that. I don't think

1494
01:18:34,560 --> 01:18:37,080
Speaker 1: so honey is a sixties second segment that we do here.

1495
01:18:37,240 --> 01:18:40,000
Speaker 1: We take something in the culture that's just grinding our

1496
01:18:40,080 --> 01:18:42,360
Speaker 1: gears that we don't love, and we take it down

1497
01:18:42,479 --> 01:18:44,240
Speaker 1: and we say, I don't think so honey that thing,

1498
01:18:45,040 --> 01:18:48,519
Speaker 1: and it's it leaves the culture in shame. Yes, Matt,

1499
01:18:48,560 --> 01:18:51,240
Speaker 1: you have something. I do have something. I have something

1500
01:18:51,280 --> 01:18:53,640
Speaker 1: that is survivor related even okay, great, um, Just so

1501
01:18:53,760 --> 01:18:55,320
Speaker 1: this is Matt Rogers. I don't think so honey. As

1502
01:18:55,360 --> 01:18:59,080
Speaker 1: time starts now, I don't think so honey. Amber saying

1503
01:18:59,320 --> 01:19:02,760
Speaker 1: that ever and thinks Rob deserved his win her win

1504
01:19:02,880 --> 01:19:05,920
Speaker 1: on All Stars. Girl, you won that season because let

1505
01:19:05,960 --> 01:19:07,840
Speaker 1: me tell you what you actually did. And you need

1506
01:19:07,880 --> 01:19:09,839
Speaker 1: to give yourself credit for and you need to examine

1507
01:19:09,840 --> 01:19:12,639
Speaker 1: why you're not giving yourself credit for it. You had

1508
01:19:12,960 --> 01:19:16,880
Speaker 1: the biggest strategist in the game literally fall in love

1509
01:19:17,000 --> 01:19:20,160
Speaker 1: with you and then not only protect himself but went

1510
01:19:20,200 --> 01:19:23,080
Speaker 1: out of his way to protect you. And you had him,

1511
01:19:23,560 --> 01:19:25,720
Speaker 1: this guy who's supposed to be all about himself, all

1512
01:19:25,760 --> 01:19:29,240
Speaker 1: about the game, protecting you. That is a move. And

1513
01:19:29,320 --> 01:19:31,040
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, you did have a

1514
01:19:31,120 --> 01:19:33,439
Speaker 1: better gauge on that jury at the time, which was

1515
01:19:33,479 --> 01:19:36,600
Speaker 1: a time when people were taking things very personally. You

1516
01:19:36,720 --> 01:19:39,759
Speaker 1: were able to get to the end and win rightfully.

1517
01:19:39,800 --> 01:19:42,360
Speaker 1: So because he did not manage the jury as well

1518
01:19:42,400 --> 01:19:45,240
Speaker 1: as you did. I believe that everyone who wins ultimately

1519
01:19:45,280 --> 01:19:47,360
Speaker 1: should win, and I don't think so, honey. You're not

1520
01:19:47,439 --> 01:19:49,880
Speaker 1: giving yourself the credit. I have to say, while I

1521
01:19:50,040 --> 01:19:52,559
Speaker 1: was moved by the emotion in the moment, didn't love

1522
01:19:52,680 --> 01:19:55,120
Speaker 1: the messaging behind the moment. I don't think so, honey.

1523
01:19:55,200 --> 01:19:57,719
Speaker 1: That and that's one minute. Wow, it was so good.

1524
01:19:58,880 --> 01:20:01,320
Speaker 1: I gotta say that kind of like I was watching

1525
01:20:01,320 --> 01:20:02,760
Speaker 1: it and I was like, I should be like more

1526
01:20:02,840 --> 01:20:05,560
Speaker 1: moved by this, but I'm really just disappointed because I

1527
01:20:05,680 --> 01:20:08,080
Speaker 1: want to see her step into her power. She is

1528
01:20:08,120 --> 01:20:11,439
Speaker 1: a survivor winner. She won All Stars down, hands down,

1529
01:20:11,880 --> 01:20:14,360
Speaker 1: and he he won the season that he was supposed

1530
01:20:14,360 --> 01:20:16,360
Speaker 1: to win, he did not win. All starts to me,

1531
01:20:16,479 --> 01:20:19,200
Speaker 1: he was playing a game that they nailed him for.

1532
01:20:20,040 --> 01:20:23,400
Speaker 1: She's just such a selfless, loving woman and she just

1533
01:20:24,120 --> 01:20:27,840
Speaker 1: she plays that role of wife and mother so traditionally

1534
01:20:28,320 --> 01:20:32,120
Speaker 1: where her whole role is to, you know, expand extol

1535
01:20:32,280 --> 01:20:34,719
Speaker 1: her man's virtues and praise him and make him feeling

1536
01:20:34,760 --> 01:20:37,120
Speaker 1: about himself. And she does a great job at that.

1537
01:20:37,240 --> 01:20:38,960
Speaker 1: But I think you're right with your I don't think so,

1538
01:20:39,080 --> 01:20:43,080
Speaker 1: because she totally earned that. Yeah, then they got married

1539
01:20:43,120 --> 01:20:45,640
Speaker 1: on TV. The whole thing, the whole thing, And I mean,

1540
01:20:45,760 --> 01:20:48,479
Speaker 1: like I just remember why. I remember that was back

1541
01:20:48,520 --> 01:20:50,439
Speaker 1: in the day when I was still watching it season

1542
01:20:50,520 --> 01:20:53,479
Speaker 1: to season and thinking to myself, like, Amber is the

1543
01:20:53,600 --> 01:20:58,639
Speaker 1: clear winner because she really like was party to every decision.

1544
01:20:58,880 --> 01:21:01,120
Speaker 1: She was quote unquote in troll of every decision. And

1545
01:21:01,200 --> 01:21:04,280
Speaker 1: people also forget on her season, there was a tribe

1546
01:21:04,320 --> 01:21:06,280
Speaker 1: shake up that put her on the other tribe and

1547
01:21:06,520 --> 01:21:08,519
Speaker 1: it was there was no one there for her, and

1548
01:21:08,600 --> 01:21:11,519
Speaker 1: she still survived. So anyway, this is again me being

1549
01:21:11,680 --> 01:21:19,439
Speaker 1: the ban I'm exposing myself. Um, but yes, okay, so

1550
01:21:19,600 --> 01:21:22,639
Speaker 1: at this time, it's not gonna be bow and yangs,

1551
01:21:22,640 --> 01:21:24,600
Speaker 1: I don't think so I had a non survivor. I

1552
01:21:24,640 --> 01:21:26,000
Speaker 1: don't think so, Manny, but I haven't I have a

1553
01:21:26,040 --> 01:21:30,000
Speaker 1: survivor topic planned. What I actually want you to do,

1554
01:21:30,240 --> 01:21:31,600
Speaker 1: and this is what I always want you to do,

1555
01:21:31,800 --> 01:21:34,880
Speaker 1: is to follow your heart. And you're my best best

1556
01:21:34,920 --> 01:21:36,920
Speaker 1: friend in the world, my best friend in the world.

1557
01:21:37,240 --> 01:21:39,639
Speaker 1: You're my Amanda Kimmel because you look like Amanda, because

1558
01:21:39,680 --> 01:21:42,320
Speaker 1: Amanda Kimmel is Amanda Kimmel is me in a wig?

1559
01:21:42,479 --> 01:21:45,719
Speaker 1: Is that is unfortunately the deal? And not even unfortunately.

1560
01:21:45,760 --> 01:21:51,720
Speaker 1: She's the gorgeous it's really you're so cute eyes the

1561
01:21:51,800 --> 01:21:54,080
Speaker 1: eyes in the mouth. Me and Bowen are Amanda and

1562
01:21:54,280 --> 01:21:56,719
Speaker 1: parv And at the end of the day, I think Bowen,

1563
01:21:57,320 --> 01:21:59,280
Speaker 1: you would do a better job in Final No Way

1564
01:21:59,640 --> 01:22:03,320
Speaker 1: Get your Fire challenge. Yeah. One thing before Bowen goes

1565
01:22:03,439 --> 01:22:06,600
Speaker 1: is can you describe, like how long does tribal council take? Oh? My,

1566
01:22:06,760 --> 01:22:08,720
Speaker 1: like at least a couple of hours, so it's not

1567
01:22:08,840 --> 01:22:11,160
Speaker 1: this like risk like we have the five questions that

1568
01:22:11,240 --> 01:22:13,280
Speaker 1: we ask him, then go No Way. There's a lot

1569
01:22:13,360 --> 01:22:15,639
Speaker 1: that gets left on the cutting room floor. Of course,

1570
01:22:16,920 --> 01:22:19,080
Speaker 1: fell off and the final tribal this time it was

1571
01:22:19,200 --> 01:22:22,639
Speaker 1: raining the whole time. Yeah, that looks so bad, Sophy.

1572
01:22:22,760 --> 01:22:26,320
Speaker 1: What the hell was sick and dying? Was dying that

1573
01:22:27,720 --> 01:22:30,280
Speaker 1: you will also? But you didn't hear about that. Can

1574
01:22:30,320 --> 01:22:32,920
Speaker 1: we just say you list the hottest man alive like that,

1575
01:22:33,600 --> 01:22:37,360
Speaker 1: and he's kept it together and he doesn't age. I

1576
01:22:37,400 --> 01:22:40,000
Speaker 1: think it's probably he is kind of like roboted himself

1577
01:22:40,040 --> 01:22:43,200
Speaker 1: from Facebook and Google and stuff. Yeah, good for him,

1578
01:22:43,320 --> 01:22:47,679
Speaker 1: well done, he's you. That's one of the great tragedies

1579
01:22:47,720 --> 01:22:50,920
Speaker 1: of winners of war for me, is Youle's elimination as well.

1580
01:22:51,000 --> 01:22:52,559
Speaker 1: Would have loved it to be Parverty and you will

1581
01:22:52,560 --> 01:22:58,120
Speaker 1: at the NT would have been anyway. Um So, now

1582
01:22:58,439 --> 01:22:59,760
Speaker 1: at this time, what we're gonna do is we're going

1583
01:22:59,800 --> 01:23:01,400
Speaker 1: to do Bowen yangs I don't think so, honey. And

1584
01:23:01,680 --> 01:23:04,519
Speaker 1: his time is going to start now, I don't think so, honey.

1585
01:23:04,600 --> 01:23:08,679
Speaker 1: The Queen Sandra Diaz Twine herself, How dare you pulled

1586
01:23:08,760 --> 01:23:12,360
Speaker 1: the flag the second you get distinction. If your whole

1587
01:23:12,400 --> 01:23:14,920
Speaker 1: hang up is about everybody, the whole survivor community, being

1588
01:23:15,000 --> 01:23:17,720
Speaker 1: like she doesn't necessarily deserve her wins blah blah blah

1589
01:23:17,760 --> 01:23:20,400
Speaker 1: blah blah, then you have to make the case for

1590
01:23:20,520 --> 01:23:23,439
Speaker 1: yourself and for the community that you stick it out.

1591
01:23:23,920 --> 01:23:26,320
Speaker 1: Even if you don't earn a single fire token, at

1592
01:23:26,400 --> 01:23:29,120
Speaker 1: least you can say that you stayed for the entire

1593
01:23:29,560 --> 01:23:32,840
Speaker 1: run of the season. Okay, instead you're traveling the world

1594
01:23:32,880 --> 01:23:35,640
Speaker 1: buying the Is that real? Is that? Is that you? You?

1595
01:23:35,760 --> 01:23:39,559
Speaker 1: You mentioned that? Okay, Sandra, I love you so much,

1596
01:23:40,200 --> 01:23:42,920
Speaker 1: You're you're a true I can, but that really disappointed me.

1597
01:23:42,960 --> 01:23:46,800
Speaker 1: You robbed us the viewership of more Sandra Diaz Twine television,

1598
01:23:46,960 --> 01:23:49,560
Speaker 1: and that's all you want. It's it's one of the

1599
01:23:49,640 --> 01:23:52,240
Speaker 1: culminations of the whole series that you are there with Rob,

1600
01:23:52,360 --> 01:23:56,280
Speaker 1: with Parvety, with Amber, with Tyson, you have you. You

1601
01:23:56,479 --> 01:24:00,840
Speaker 1: robbed us of quality television. And I love you forever,

1602
01:24:00,920 --> 01:24:03,800
Speaker 1: but I will not forgive you for that transgression. And

1603
01:24:03,960 --> 01:24:07,599
Speaker 1: that's and I don't think so, honey on Sandrads Twine

1604
01:24:07,720 --> 01:24:12,760
Speaker 1: thief of our joy? Joe, my gosh, you guys, can

1605
01:24:12,800 --> 01:24:15,799
Speaker 1: you give some Sandra insight? What's what's your relationship with Sandra?

1606
01:24:16,439 --> 01:24:21,120
Speaker 1: Sandra and I we don't really have a relationship, don't

1607
01:24:22,040 --> 01:24:27,000
Speaker 1: That's great? She seems like it's wonderful. Okay, we're running.

1608
01:24:27,439 --> 01:24:29,160
Speaker 1: I don't have much to say about part but I

1609
01:24:29,280 --> 01:24:31,639
Speaker 1: could talk about Russell all the time. I hate him,

1610
01:24:31,840 --> 01:24:33,840
Speaker 1: and his wife hates him, and his kids hate him.

1611
01:24:34,040 --> 01:24:36,000
Speaker 1: And when he and he goes home and he sits

1612
01:24:36,040 --> 01:24:38,920
Speaker 1: in his backyard and all he does block about Survivor.

1613
01:24:39,160 --> 01:24:41,880
Speaker 1: And I'm out here playing and continually winning queens. I'm

1614
01:24:41,880 --> 01:24:44,759
Speaker 1: sitting on my damn couch recording cameos for the world

1615
01:24:44,800 --> 01:24:47,439
Speaker 1: and making people happy, bringing the smile people's faces. What's

1616
01:24:47,520 --> 01:24:50,360
Speaker 1: Russell doing nothing? Russell can't even get on cameo girl.

1617
01:24:50,439 --> 01:24:53,439
Speaker 1: My cameos cost three hundred dollars each. Russell he can't

1618
01:24:53,479 --> 01:24:58,559
Speaker 1: get no fifteen dollar cameo everybody. I don't have much

1619
01:24:58,600 --> 01:25:00,800
Speaker 1: to say about her. We don't have much of a relationship,

1620
01:25:00,840 --> 01:25:04,920
Speaker 1: but I respect her, queen. She's charging. She's charging a

1621
01:25:05,000 --> 01:25:07,400
Speaker 1: pretty penny for her cameo, So I respect that. I

1622
01:25:07,520 --> 01:25:12,920
Speaker 1: respect cameos. Guys. I'm like Cameo Mafia over here getting

1623
01:25:13,000 --> 01:25:15,759
Speaker 1: up all my Survivor people under my wing on cameo

1624
01:25:15,840 --> 01:25:19,160
Speaker 1: and I'm like, get coming. I'm on cameo and I

1625
01:25:19,240 --> 01:25:20,720
Speaker 1: just keep trying to get bone to get on, but

1626
01:25:22,000 --> 01:25:26,800
Speaker 1: they won't let me. NBC won't let NBCNL. I know

1627
01:25:26,880 --> 01:25:29,799
Speaker 1: I would love to do it. Unfortunately, UM, the National

1628
01:25:29,880 --> 01:25:33,360
Speaker 1: Broadcasting Company has not allowed Bowen to get on CAMO.

1629
01:25:33,439 --> 01:25:36,400
Speaker 1: You're limiting your ability to interact with your fan base.

1630
01:25:37,720 --> 01:25:39,719
Speaker 1: Do this podcast and let us talk about any bullshit

1631
01:25:39,800 --> 01:25:43,519
Speaker 1: we want. So we should be thankful. Okay, all right, UM,

1632
01:25:43,800 --> 01:25:45,920
Speaker 1: worst party, thank you so much? Can you would you

1633
01:25:45,920 --> 01:25:47,519
Speaker 1: do what? I don't think so honey? Okay, guys, I

1634
01:25:47,640 --> 01:25:50,080
Speaker 1: was gonna do, and I don't think so honey about

1635
01:25:50,920 --> 01:25:56,880
Speaker 1: um moms like moms of twins on Instagram. Okay, okay, okay,

1636
01:25:56,920 --> 01:25:58,640
Speaker 1: because you guys did survivor things. So I was like,

1637
01:25:58,680 --> 01:26:00,320
Speaker 1: oh do I need to do us? You don't know

1638
01:26:00,640 --> 01:26:02,920
Speaker 1: you can do? And the thing is like, just like

1639
01:26:03,000 --> 01:26:06,040
Speaker 1: I said to my sister, I said to follow your heart,

1640
01:26:06,080 --> 01:26:09,880
Speaker 1: and I said the same thing to you. Okay, alright,

1641
01:26:09,960 --> 01:26:12,519
Speaker 1: so we're going to set up the cloth. This is poverty, shallows.

1642
01:26:12,520 --> 01:26:14,479
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. Her time starts now. Oh

1643
01:26:14,560 --> 01:26:17,040
Speaker 1: my gosh, I'm so nervous. I don't think so, honey.

1644
01:26:17,120 --> 01:26:19,920
Speaker 1: I mean these moms on Instagram, the ones to have

1645
01:26:20,200 --> 01:26:22,720
Speaker 1: like newborn babies who have their hair done, who have

1646
01:26:22,760 --> 01:26:24,880
Speaker 1: their makeup done, who are like ten pounds and like,

1647
01:26:25,160 --> 01:26:27,120
Speaker 1: O don't think so honey, you know that you just

1648
01:26:27,200 --> 01:26:30,120
Speaker 1: got vomited on. Your baby just shipped all over the wall,

1649
01:26:30,240 --> 01:26:32,000
Speaker 1: and you're cleaning up, and you just moved to a

1650
01:26:32,040 --> 01:26:34,120
Speaker 1: different part of the house to take that video. And

1651
01:26:34,240 --> 01:26:36,400
Speaker 1: you know, I don't think so, honey, because your husband

1652
01:26:36,600 --> 01:26:40,560
Speaker 1: or whoever your Instagram husband or wife that's recording that

1653
01:26:40,760 --> 01:26:43,639
Speaker 1: video for you, they are so upset, they're so pissed,

1654
01:26:43,640 --> 01:26:46,519
Speaker 1: they're so sleep deppress. They're like, I don't think so, honey.

1655
01:26:46,560 --> 01:26:48,880
Speaker 1: You don't even like, are you for real? That is

1656
01:26:49,000 --> 01:26:52,040
Speaker 1: not even true. You're just shoveling cinnamon troast crunch in

1657
01:26:52,120 --> 01:26:56,280
Speaker 1: your mouth on okay, Like you're not cooking lasagna family

1658
01:26:56,439 --> 01:26:58,400
Speaker 1: right now? I don't think so many well kind of cut,

1659
01:26:58,439 --> 01:27:01,280
Speaker 1: that's not a seconds You bought that in the frozen

1660
01:27:01,360 --> 01:27:05,120
Speaker 1: food section, pretending like you cooked that from scratch. Now

1661
01:27:05,160 --> 01:27:07,640
Speaker 1: you're showing us your pan and over the ingredients that

1662
01:27:07,760 --> 01:27:12,320
Speaker 1: you made. Think so howey? You know that as bull shit?

1663
01:27:15,320 --> 01:27:24,160
Speaker 1: Instagram Mom's found dead. Come on, stop making us look bad, truly,

1664
01:27:24,680 --> 01:27:27,160
Speaker 1: And that's really the poison of Instagram, isn't it. You

1665
01:27:27,280 --> 01:27:29,600
Speaker 1: just log on and everyone says this is the perfect me,

1666
01:27:29,880 --> 01:27:32,080
Speaker 1: and you're like, oh gosh, and especially when you're like

1667
01:27:32,160 --> 01:27:34,000
Speaker 1: dealing with motherhood, which is the I would imagine the

1668
01:27:34,080 --> 01:27:36,640
Speaker 1: hardest thing in the world, so hard, and like you

1669
01:27:36,760 --> 01:27:38,920
Speaker 1: don't't even know what the heck you're doing for the

1670
01:27:39,000 --> 01:27:43,040
Speaker 1: first like six months to probably seventeen years, and you're

1671
01:27:43,080 --> 01:27:46,519
Speaker 1: just like, oh, well, I guess this is fine because

1672
01:27:46,560 --> 01:27:49,360
Speaker 1: it's like you're I would imagine. I would imagine it's

1673
01:27:49,400 --> 01:27:51,640
Speaker 1: like you're pregnant, you give birth, and then it's like

1674
01:27:51,840 --> 01:27:54,160
Speaker 1: this human, little human is in front of you, and

1675
01:27:54,240 --> 01:27:56,840
Speaker 1: it's like, how do you hold it? What do you do?

1676
01:27:57,160 --> 01:28:01,600
Speaker 1: How do you living? Yeah, especially once that have an

1677
01:28:01,600 --> 01:28:05,160
Speaker 1: adventurous spirit. Oh my god, you guys. I wish I

1678
01:28:05,400 --> 01:28:08,639
Speaker 1: could bring her into this audio podcast because she would

1679
01:28:08,680 --> 01:28:13,840
Speaker 1: just reach wreck shop. She would. I am interested to see, like,

1680
01:28:14,040 --> 01:28:18,840
Speaker 1: in two years your daughter become poverty two point oh.

1681
01:28:18,960 --> 01:28:25,360
Speaker 1: On Survivor season, Jeff's gonna start doing four seasons a year,

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01:28:25,360 --> 01:28:28,200
Speaker 1: and he's like, us quarantine, We'll just keep rolling him out.

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01:28:28,760 --> 01:28:33,400
Speaker 1: Survivor Sue Island Kids verse adults, Well, they did say

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01:28:33,439 --> 01:28:35,800
Speaker 1: sixteen year olds going to apply no. I saw that.

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01:28:35,920 --> 01:28:39,479
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, don't love no no,

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01:28:39,880 --> 01:28:42,160
Speaker 1: Because I like a good reward challenge. Where they get

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01:28:42,240 --> 01:28:45,800
Speaker 1: like little Champagne, a little Red Wild. I just want

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01:28:45,840 --> 01:28:50,160
Speaker 1: I want my Survivor customs personally to be of age. Yeah, okay,

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01:28:50,280 --> 01:28:53,240
Speaker 1: So we just want to say that if you have

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01:28:53,400 --> 01:28:55,360
Speaker 1: a young one in your life and you're looking for

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01:28:55,479 --> 01:28:58,880
Speaker 1: something to I don't know, have them read the book

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01:28:59,000 --> 01:29:02,120
Speaker 1: is only Honor and you can get it on articulation books.

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01:29:03,040 --> 01:29:05,800
Speaker 1: And honestly, we just want to say thank you so

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01:29:06,000 --> 01:29:08,439
Speaker 1: much because, like I said, like we got into this

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01:29:08,560 --> 01:29:12,920
Speaker 1: during quarantine and truly survivor it really was like like

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01:29:12,960 --> 01:29:14,800
Speaker 1: a totem for me, you know what I mean, helped me.

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01:29:15,160 --> 01:29:17,320
Speaker 1: It helped me like get through the early days of it,

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01:29:17,520 --> 01:29:19,640
Speaker 1: and like it was really fun to root for you

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01:29:19,800 --> 01:29:24,640
Speaker 1: and you're just your rock guys. Thank you, It's been

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01:29:24,720 --> 01:29:29,040
Speaker 1: really fun. I'm so impressed with your survivor knowledge. It's

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01:29:29,080 --> 01:29:31,560
Speaker 1: really beyond you know, and we know we know a

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01:29:31,680 --> 01:29:38,920
Speaker 1: few other things you actually entered them, but um, you're

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01:29:38,920 --> 01:29:41,240
Speaker 1: a very special person who uses your powers for good

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01:29:41,320 --> 01:29:44,479
Speaker 1: and we think that rocks. Thanks. I love you guys,

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01:29:44,760 --> 01:29:48,160
Speaker 1: Thanks for hanging out. And here's actually the deal. Um,

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01:29:48,360 --> 01:29:50,840
Speaker 1: every episode of Las Coo Teresa's ends with a song.

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01:29:53,960 --> 01:30:03,880
Speaker 1: It's just live come oh, me And if you want

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01:30:03,920 --> 01:30:05,479
Speaker 1: to hear the rest of that, check out the album

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Speaker 1: Butterfly by Mariah Carry You don't want it only