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All right, but you want to 0:02:07.920 --> 0:02:11.440 start with a media rant in this podcast. When the 0:02:11.480 --> 0:02:16.119 Bengals were still negotiating with Jamar and t numerous national 0:02:16.200 --> 0:02:19.360 commentators kept saying that the Bengals would never get it 0:02:19.400 --> 0:02:22.200 done because, as we've heard many times over the years, 0:02:22.240 --> 0:02:26.200 the Bengals are too cheap. Then, before the ink was 0:02:26.240 --> 0:02:29.440 even dry on the contract extensions, the narrative change. Do 0:02:29.560 --> 0:02:33.000 they spend too much on two wide receivers or the 0:02:33.040 --> 0:02:35.959 contracts aren't as good as they appear to be. Am 0:02:35.960 --> 0:02:39.600 I being a total homer to think that the Bengals 0:02:39.600 --> 0:02:43.360 are treated more harshly by the national media than any 0:02:43.400 --> 0:02:44.320 team in the NFL. 0:02:45.480 --> 0:02:48.600 You know, Hordy welcome. I guess we're both at home 0:02:48.840 --> 0:02:55.079 because I just texted a national calumnist that I highly 0:02:55.120 --> 0:02:58.440 regard and I find him very good. And he wrote 0:02:58.480 --> 0:03:02.840 in his column that the Bengals have done. The Bengals 0:03:02.880 --> 0:03:06.040 did nothing before Joe Burrow was here, and they did 0:03:06.080 --> 0:03:10.040 these uncharacteristic deals. And I texted a guy said, look, 0:03:10.040 --> 0:03:12.880 I love you, but in the fifteen years before Burrow 0:03:12.960 --> 0:03:16.720 got here, they went to seven playoffs. They won four divisions, 0:03:17.080 --> 0:03:19.799 and yes, they didn't want a playoff game. But also 0:03:19.880 --> 0:03:23.760 in that stretch, they made Casson Palmer the highest paid player. 0:03:24.160 --> 0:03:28.440 They made Willie Anderson the highest paid tackle twice in history. 0:03:28.760 --> 0:03:32.840 They made AJ Green and Geno Watkins top three paid 0:03:32.880 --> 0:03:38.040 players at their position. And you know, he wrote back, Oh, 0:03:38.120 --> 0:03:40.800 I'm not saying, you know, I think my final shot 0:03:40.960 --> 0:03:44.960 was you know, I get it, but you know we 0:03:45.000 --> 0:03:47.760 aren't the Browns and the Jets, which is where we 0:03:47.840 --> 0:03:50.960 seem to be lumped. And I'm with you. It's these 0:03:51.040 --> 0:03:54.000 national drive buys that I don't quite get. But then 0:03:54.680 --> 0:03:58.440 he also, you know it can stend, it can extend 0:03:58.480 --> 0:04:01.400 here too. I mean, I've been reading where this is 0:04:01.440 --> 0:04:05.720 going to. This has to be a generational draft, and 0:04:06.240 --> 0:04:11.160 it's important, especially now because of how the contracts are structured. 0:04:11.840 --> 0:04:14.240 You know, with with you know, you've got to pay 0:04:14.280 --> 0:04:17.840 younger guys. But I mean, you know, it's not an 0:04:17.880 --> 0:04:21.280 AJ Green, Andy Dalton, Joe Burrow to Higgins draft. I mean, 0:04:22.040 --> 0:04:24.320 you know, yeah, they got to add an edge and 0:04:24.320 --> 0:04:28.800 they got an add an added defensive tackle. But this 0:04:28.920 --> 0:04:31.920 is not a This is not a team riddled with holes. 0:04:33.360 --> 0:04:36.960 You described a lot of their own players that they've 0:04:37.000 --> 0:04:40.640 retained with big contracts, but they've also been one of 0:04:40.680 --> 0:04:43.120 the more active teams in the NFL and pre agency 0:04:43.160 --> 0:04:45.200 over the last five to ten years. We can run 0:04:45.200 --> 0:04:48.599 off the list, DJ Reeder, Trey Hendrickson, Orlando Brown Junior, 0:04:48.640 --> 0:04:49.599 et cetera, et cetera. 0:04:50.720 --> 0:04:53.560 Now that they've given these gigantic. 0:04:52.960 --> 0:04:57.480 Extensions to Joe Burrow last year, Jamar and t this year. 0:04:57.720 --> 0:05:00.919 When will the word cheap go away? Doesn't do? 0:05:00.920 --> 0:05:03.240 You have to win a Super Bowl before people start 0:05:03.279 --> 0:05:04.799 calling stop calling you cheap. 0:05:06.360 --> 0:05:07.960 I think you win one and you're still going to 0:05:08.000 --> 0:05:10.960 be cheap. I think these are these are tags that 0:05:11.160 --> 0:05:16.840 unfortunately hang with you. But you know, if you win 0:05:16.880 --> 0:05:19.320 a Super and but we were, But I saw these 0:05:19.360 --> 0:05:23.080 stories two years ago. Hey, you can the Bengals are 0:05:23.120 --> 0:05:28.799 proving you can win with a small but good scouting staff, 0:05:28.839 --> 0:05:32.880 and you can win with uh, you know, reasonable free 0:05:32.920 --> 0:05:35.640 agent deals, and you can win by drafting and developing. 0:05:36.120 --> 0:05:38.960 You know, that was just two years ago. So I mean, 0:05:39.000 --> 0:05:41.400 I don't know, I don't know what. Well, I know 0:05:41.440 --> 0:05:43.320 what happened. They went nine and eight and nine and eight, 0:05:43.400 --> 0:05:46.719 that's what happened. But I mean that's uh, that's still 0:05:47.520 --> 0:05:50.800 that still shouldn't change the thing that they're that that 0:05:50.960 --> 0:05:54.159 they've been successful in most NFL teams in this century. 0:05:54.200 --> 0:05:55.560 I mean that's just the fact. 0:05:55.920 --> 0:05:59.120 Well, I hope that winning a Super Bowl changes the 0:05:59.200 --> 0:06:02.200 national narritive because I think they're going to win one 0:06:02.279 --> 0:06:03.200 in the next few years. 0:06:03.200 --> 0:06:04.159 And the Joe Burrow era. 0:06:04.240 --> 0:06:06.840 I've maintained that since the day that they drafted him, 0:06:06.880 --> 0:06:09.640 and I still believe it to be true, hopefully this year. 0:06:10.320 --> 0:06:13.840 In Santa Clara, speaking of Joe Burrow, bis as far 0:06:13.839 --> 0:06:16.080 as I can tell you are the only reporter that 0:06:16.200 --> 0:06:19.440 talked to Joe after Jamar and T were extended. 0:06:19.440 --> 0:06:23.560 How would you describe the conversation. H It was a 0:06:23.600 --> 0:06:28.960 typical Borough conversation. It was to the point, and uh, 0:06:29.000 --> 0:06:29.680 he was happy. 0:06:30.480 --> 0:06:34.320 Uh when he said, I knew I was pretty confident 0:06:34.320 --> 0:06:36.440 we were going to get Jama done, but I knew 0:06:36.520 --> 0:06:39.240 T was going to be a big lift. And uh, 0:06:39.279 --> 0:06:41.640 I think we all agree with that, because you know, 0:06:41.760 --> 0:06:44.839 T was you know, can you sign both? You know, 0:06:45.120 --> 0:06:46.760 how can you sign both these guys? How can you 0:06:46.800 --> 0:06:50.599 make Jama the richest non quarterback and then and still 0:06:50.600 --> 0:06:53.839 fit in another elite receiver? I think everybody one that 0:06:53.960 --> 0:06:57.800 wandering about that, you know, particularly you know Joe, and 0:06:57.880 --> 0:06:59.120 I think that's he was. 0:06:59.279 --> 0:06:59.400 Uh. 0:06:59.680 --> 0:07:02.279 And I wouldn't say he was relieved or anything like that, 0:07:02.880 --> 0:07:06.360 but I think he thought. I think, you know, he 0:07:06.400 --> 0:07:09.840 acted like he did, you know that night in Dallas, 0:07:10.200 --> 0:07:13.680 that Monday night in Dallas. He you know, I'm confident 0:07:13.720 --> 0:07:16.600 we can do it, and you know he's he's right, 0:07:17.000 --> 0:07:18.800 you know, and he turned out to be right. But yeah, 0:07:18.800 --> 0:07:21.760 he was. He was classic Joe. It was like talking 0:07:21.800 --> 0:07:26.320 to him, you know, after the AFC championship game in 0:07:26.600 --> 0:07:28.480 Kansas City, except there was no cigar. 0:07:30.320 --> 0:07:30.440 There. 0:07:30.480 --> 0:07:32.240 Mind have been a cigar later for all we know, 0:07:32.320 --> 0:07:35.200 since they got those deals done. As I tell people 0:07:35.960 --> 0:07:38.920 when they asked me about dealing with Joe, he's not 0:07:39.000 --> 0:07:42.560 one that wants you to linger and chit chat. If 0:07:42.560 --> 0:07:46.480 the topic is the Bengals, his teammates, whatever, he will 0:07:46.520 --> 0:07:49.040 do his job and do it well and give you 0:07:49.080 --> 0:07:49.600 what you need. 0:07:50.600 --> 0:07:54.800 He was. He was pleasant, he said, Hobbes see seeing 0:07:54.800 --> 0:08:00.360 in a couple of months. So but he was he is. Uh, 0:08:01.000 --> 0:08:03.960 he has earned some well deserved aarron I but you 0:08:04.000 --> 0:08:05.560 know he's gonna be you know, wherever he is, he's 0:08:05.600 --> 0:08:07.400 going to be working and throwing too. I mean, that 0:08:07.480 --> 0:08:11.160 guy's a The thing about Jamar and t and Jamar 0:08:11.320 --> 0:08:14.480 and Joe, you know, they they're always going to be 0:08:14.560 --> 0:08:16.640 joined at the hip, even when they have the bus 0:08:16.640 --> 0:08:18.400 and can't you know they're going to have the bus 0:08:18.560 --> 0:08:21.160 right next to each other. But there's they apposed the 0:08:21.200 --> 0:08:25.240 game the same way. You know, they're just they're football aholics, 0:08:25.520 --> 0:08:27.800 you know what I mean. I mean they're both Jim rats, 0:08:27.800 --> 0:08:30.000 you know what I mean. And so it's uh, I 0:08:30.040 --> 0:08:32.040 think I think that's why they're so close. It's just 0:08:32.040 --> 0:08:34.679 because they they're wired the same way. And I got 0:08:34.679 --> 0:08:38.160 that sense as Joe was, you know, leaving that you 0:08:38.160 --> 0:08:41.120 know he was he was, he was like he was 0:08:41.160 --> 0:08:42.920 going to work and he'll come back and he'll be 0:08:42.920 --> 0:08:44.719 ready to go at the end of April or May 0:08:44.800 --> 0:08:45.560 or whenever they come in. 0:08:46.600 --> 0:08:49.600 All Right, when I run into Bengals fans, I've been 0:08:49.600 --> 0:08:52.880 getting two big questions over and over again. Number One, 0:08:53.000 --> 0:08:57.040 will they be able to keep Trey Hendrickson. Here's the 0:08:57.080 --> 0:09:00.439 tricky part as I see it, You've got four edge 0:09:00.520 --> 0:09:04.840 rushers making thirty four million dollars or more per year, 0:09:04.920 --> 0:09:08.520 Miles Garrett, Denil Hunter, Max Crosby, and Nick Bosa. 0:09:08.600 --> 0:09:09.439 Then there's this. 0:09:09.360 --> 0:09:13.840 Huge drop off two guys making roughly twenty eight million 0:09:13.920 --> 0:09:17.440 or a little bit less, including TJ. Watt, former NFL 0:09:17.480 --> 0:09:20.439 Defensive Player of the Year, who's the same age as Trey. 0:09:21.320 --> 0:09:24.520 I can understand Trey wanting to be paid like those 0:09:24.559 --> 0:09:28.199 four guys making thirty four plus, but I don't think 0:09:28.240 --> 0:09:33.120 it's unreasonable of the Bengals maybe try to negotiate something 0:09:33.160 --> 0:09:34.400 closer to the TJ. 0:09:34.559 --> 0:09:35.360 Watt number. 0:09:35.880 --> 0:09:39.800 My hope is that the two parties can find something 0:09:40.280 --> 0:09:43.000 that works for both of them. But it is kind 0:09:43.040 --> 0:09:46.760 of strange that you have this huge six million dollars 0:09:46.800 --> 0:09:50.040 between a handful of guys and another group of guys 0:09:50.080 --> 0:09:51.000 who are great players. 0:09:51.320 --> 0:09:54.520 I mean, it's pretty clear he wants to be here, 0:09:54.600 --> 0:09:57.480 and it's pretty clear. I think these guys want them 0:09:57.520 --> 0:09:59.719 back too. That's pretty clear. So I mean, I think 0:09:59.720 --> 0:10:03.080 that's to I think the difficult tide is done. It's 0:10:03.240 --> 0:10:06.560 just uh coming to that number, whatever that number is, 0:10:06.600 --> 0:10:10.480 and it's uh, you know, Hendrickson is is you go 0:10:10.559 --> 0:10:12.959 back and you have to put him? I mean greatest 0:10:13.000 --> 0:10:16.360 free you know, if we're talking about free agents, greatest 0:10:16.360 --> 0:10:20.240 free agent signing, right, I mean, I think DJ readers 0:10:20.280 --> 0:10:23.920 pretty you know is I mean, is close. But here's 0:10:23.960 --> 0:10:27.040 a man who, you know, the last two years, he's 0:10:27.360 --> 0:10:29.240 he's had the most sacks of anybody in the league. 0:10:29.280 --> 0:10:32.240 I mean, so, you know, I mean, I think I 0:10:32.240 --> 0:10:34.800 think he wants to I think Trey wants to finish it. 0:10:34.960 --> 0:10:36.520 I think he wants to be in the Ring of Honor. 0:10:36.559 --> 0:10:39.880 I think he I think he believes he's a mangalful life. 0:10:40.600 --> 0:10:45.120 He's a very passionate guy, so that an emotional guy 0:10:45.160 --> 0:10:48.160 and I just that's what makes him great. And you 0:10:48.240 --> 0:10:52.520 just you've got to believe that you know something, something 0:10:52.640 --> 0:10:54.920 is gonna you know, I hate this roll out, the 0:10:55.000 --> 0:11:03.640 Raphael Devers Alex Brigman thing, but but you knows where's 0:11:03.679 --> 0:11:06.560 Dever's going to play? Is Bregman going to switch positions? 0:11:06.760 --> 0:11:09.800 Is it will work out, It will work out. And 0:11:09.840 --> 0:11:13.320 the same thing with Higgins and with Higgins and Chase 0:11:13.920 --> 0:11:16.280 it will work out, it will work out. And this 0:11:16.360 --> 0:11:20.440 is with Hendrickson. I'm going to drop the Deva's Bregman 0:11:20.520 --> 0:11:23.120 line here. It's going to work out. I don't know how, 0:11:23.200 --> 0:11:24.800 but I mean, I think it's going to work out 0:11:24.840 --> 0:11:27.440 where both sides can be happy. 0:11:28.440 --> 0:11:31.560 A lot of people question how wise it is to 0:11:31.679 --> 0:11:34.080 pay a pass rusher who's going to be thirty one 0:11:34.600 --> 0:11:37.760 at some point this season, and I get it, it's 0:11:37.800 --> 0:11:40.120 fair to bring that up. The thing that I would 0:11:40.200 --> 0:11:43.640 stay about Trey is that he's playing his best football 0:11:43.800 --> 0:11:47.079 ever at his current age seventeen and a half sacks 0:11:47.120 --> 0:11:49.520 each of the last two years. I'm sure there's going 0:11:49.559 --> 0:11:54.600 to be some drop off that's natural, but I don't 0:11:54.600 --> 0:11:57.720 think he's going to drop off the cliff. And if 0:11:57.760 --> 0:12:02.680 these assemblance of his current level in the next two 0:12:02.760 --> 0:12:06.080 or three years, however long an extension would be, that's 0:12:06.080 --> 0:12:10.319 still really good to help you win the AFC North 0:12:10.320 --> 0:12:11.880 and contend for a Super Bowl title. 0:12:12.840 --> 0:12:15.200 Yeah, I mean the things that make him great, you know, 0:12:15.400 --> 0:12:18.480 I mean that that first step is that is that? 0:12:18.640 --> 0:12:19.160 Is that gonna? 0:12:19.280 --> 0:12:19.480 Is it? 0:12:19.840 --> 0:12:22.000 Does that? Wayne? You know? Does that Wayne? Through time? 0:12:22.080 --> 0:12:23.480 Or I mean I think a lot of that is 0:12:23.880 --> 0:12:27.680 knowing your opponent, knowing how they're playing you, anticipating the 0:12:27.679 --> 0:12:30.960 snap count. You know. I'm not sure that stuff, you know, 0:12:32.000 --> 0:12:33.880 leaves you when you hit a wall, you know what 0:12:33.920 --> 0:12:36.920 I mean? And uh so, I think plus it's is 0:12:37.520 --> 0:12:40.880 you know, Tray Hendrickson is going to be really is 0:12:40.920 --> 0:12:43.600 going to be relentless and anything he does, whether he's 0:12:43.720 --> 0:12:47.880 whether he's thirty or ninety, and he'll always have that. 0:12:47.960 --> 0:12:50.120 And that's the number one part of his game. Is 0:12:50.160 --> 0:12:51.000 he never stops. 0:12:51.840 --> 0:12:54.000 Yeah, that's not going away. I don't see him playing 0:12:54.040 --> 0:12:57.560 until least ninety. But we'll take him for a few 0:12:57.600 --> 0:13:00.000 more years, that's for sure, all Right. The second question, 0:13:00.080 --> 0:13:02.160 and I'm getting over and over from Bengals fans, as 0:13:02.280 --> 0:13:06.840 will they sign another veteran guard? They signed Lucas Patrick. 0:13:07.360 --> 0:13:10.120 They'll be thirty two in July. It's got sixty four 0:13:10.200 --> 0:13:12.840 careers starts under his belt. You had a great stat 0:13:12.880 --> 0:13:15.560 in one of the things you wrote on Bengals dot Com. 0:13:15.559 --> 0:13:18.000 He has not given up a sack in his last 0:13:18.360 --> 0:13:21.560 eight hundred and ninety three patch blocking snaps, which is 0:13:21.600 --> 0:13:22.480 a great stat. 0:13:23.080 --> 0:13:26.360 If nothing else, he adds great veteran. 0:13:26.120 --> 0:13:30.160 Depth, But there are still guys out there who have 0:13:30.640 --> 0:13:32.439 a better track record than he does. 0:13:32.679 --> 0:13:34.160 Branded Sheriff has been on. 0:13:34.280 --> 0:13:37.880 Multi time pro bowler Will Hernandez was really good before 0:13:37.880 --> 0:13:41.760 he suffered a knee injury. Do you think another guard 0:13:41.840 --> 0:13:44.480 is coming or do you think this is the group 0:13:44.480 --> 0:13:47.080 they're going to have with the possibility of adding a 0:13:47.160 --> 0:13:49.120 draft pick to compete for a starting spot. 0:13:50.120 --> 0:13:54.800 Well, with these two deals, and you know, and with 0:13:54.880 --> 0:13:59.560 Hendrickson getting a raise, you know that that number can't 0:13:59.559 --> 0:14:03.800 be a big number, you know. And I do think 0:14:03.840 --> 0:14:06.319 a veteran god is coming. But my sense will come 0:14:06.360 --> 0:14:09.440 after the draft, you know. For all we know they'll 0:14:09.520 --> 0:14:12.520 draft two guys, you know. I mean, I'm not sure. 0:14:12.640 --> 0:14:14.600 We'll see what the draft, you know, We'll see what 0:14:14.640 --> 0:14:17.480 the draft gives them, and then I think maybe if 0:14:17.480 --> 0:14:19.760 they feel like they got to go back. You know. 0:14:19.880 --> 0:14:22.600 I think in the market that they that they would 0:14:22.640 --> 0:14:24.320 and they might get one of those guys at the 0:14:25.240 --> 0:14:27.280 at a pretty good price, you know, And I think 0:14:27.320 --> 0:14:29.440 that's how you have to that's how they have to 0:14:29.480 --> 0:14:31.520 approach it. I mean, I mean, people can you know, 0:14:32.040 --> 0:14:35.240 moan all they want about, Oh, they should have structured 0:14:35.240 --> 0:14:39.400 it so you know, they could have got more free 0:14:39.480 --> 0:14:41.680 agents this trip. Well, A, I don't think they were 0:14:41.680 --> 0:14:45.840 infatuated by the crop of free agents, and B you're 0:14:45.880 --> 0:14:47.840 not going to be saying that in twenty twenty six 0:14:47.880 --> 0:14:50.160 when you got to cut one of them, you know, 0:14:50.240 --> 0:14:54.720 because they're tap number ballooned in the out years, because 0:14:54.760 --> 0:14:59.200 you wanted to do something now. So I think that 0:15:00.440 --> 0:15:02.640 and I think they knew that when they I think, 0:15:02.720 --> 0:15:05.040 you know, this has been part of the plan when 0:15:05.040 --> 0:15:09.080 they when they scouted this free agency class and they 0:15:09.080 --> 0:15:13.000 scouted the draft class. And so from what I understand, 0:15:13.040 --> 0:15:15.680 it's pretty good on guards. You know, there's some there's 0:15:15.680 --> 0:15:18.600 some you know, some pretty good guard prospects. So yeah, 0:15:18.640 --> 0:15:21.120 I would expect another veteran to come in. But I'm 0:15:21.120 --> 0:15:23.480 thinking maybe maybe after the draft. 0:15:24.000 --> 0:15:27.400 The Jamar and t extensions obviously commanded most of the attention, 0:15:27.480 --> 0:15:29.400 and for good reason, But those are not the only 0:15:29.480 --> 0:15:32.920 free agency moves that they've made. Internally, they hold onto 0:15:33.000 --> 0:15:36.920 Joseph O's side, b J Hill, Cam Sample, Mike Kasiki, 0:15:36.960 --> 0:15:40.280 Cody Ford, and some others UH free agents from other teams. 0:15:40.360 --> 0:15:41.600 We mentioned Lucas Patrick. 0:15:41.680 --> 0:15:45.520 They're bringing in linebacker Orrin Berks, defensive tackle TJ. Slayton, 0:15:45.800 --> 0:15:48.520 some I J. P. Ryan is back and we're happy 0:15:48.560 --> 0:15:51.320 to have him back on the roster. What's the best 0:15:51.360 --> 0:15:54.880 move in your opinion of those other moves aside from 0:15:54.920 --> 0:15:56.560 Jamar and Tink. 0:15:56.680 --> 0:16:00.000 I think it's got to be Koseki. But I also 0:16:00.080 --> 0:16:02.160 so would I think if I could just say something 0:16:02.160 --> 0:16:09.800 about Osai and Sample, I think the UH, the coaches, 0:16:09.880 --> 0:16:13.280 the new coaches. I think that you know, the the scouts, 0:16:13.360 --> 0:16:16.440 the in the front office listened to the new coaches, 0:16:16.440 --> 0:16:20.240 and when they watch tape, they they're impressed with Joseph Osai, 0:16:20.320 --> 0:16:23.560 They're impressed with Cam Sample. So you never get any 0:16:23.640 --> 0:16:26.840 credit for in free agency when you sign your own 0:16:26.840 --> 0:16:29.000 guy back in free agency, you don't get credit for that. 0:16:29.480 --> 0:16:31.920 But in lessons like at Jamar and t that's a 0:16:32.000 --> 0:16:32.960 different level. 0:16:33.160 --> 0:16:36.000 Right, But you know, you know, but Osai you know, 0:16:36.640 --> 0:16:39.160 to me, that's a good getting free agency because he 0:16:39.320 --> 0:16:42.320 finished the season terrific. And I and people forget this, 0:16:42.400 --> 0:16:44.160 but in twenty twenty two, and I think this is 0:16:44.160 --> 0:16:46.640 what a guy like Jerry Montgomery is looking at and 0:16:46.640 --> 0:16:49.480 Al Golden is looking at on tape, they're looking at uh. 0:16:50.120 --> 0:16:52.760 You know that last stretch of twenty twenty two, he 0:16:52.880 --> 0:16:56.120 was Joseph Osai was tremendous, and he was playing with 0:16:56.160 --> 0:16:59.440 a with a torn labram who was playing hurt. He 0:16:59.440 --> 0:17:01.840 played the best ball of his career. And I think 0:17:02.240 --> 0:17:04.160 there's a sense that Joseph you can do a lot 0:17:04.160 --> 0:17:08.359 with Joseph OSII. That the that he'll be the beneficiary 0:17:08.359 --> 0:17:10.879 of a new scheme and and get a breath of 0:17:10.920 --> 0:17:13.080 fresh air with a new staff. That's not saying anything 0:17:13.119 --> 0:17:15.920 about the old staff, but you know how it is. 0:17:16.280 --> 0:17:19.600 Get to get you get a uh, get a new situation, 0:17:20.000 --> 0:17:22.040 you get revived a little bit. I mean, I remember, 0:17:22.560 --> 0:17:25.680 you know, the first third down of the Buffalo playoff 0:17:25.720 --> 0:17:28.840 game in the snow, Joseph Osai on third and six 0:17:28.960 --> 0:17:33.040 is rushing inside and question was right in Josh Allen's face. 0:17:33.080 --> 0:17:35.800 The force and the completion and kind of set the tone. Well, 0:17:35.800 --> 0:17:38.960 I didn't see him line up inside very much last year. 0:17:39.440 --> 0:17:41.480 You know, maybe this is something he can do. So 0:17:42.400 --> 0:17:45.520 you know, I think the second's the best move other 0:17:45.560 --> 0:17:49.359 than team in jama But you know, to get a 0:17:49.359 --> 0:17:53.200 guy like Sample is the most versatile defensive lineman. I 0:17:53.240 --> 0:17:55.680 mean I talked to two people. I've talked a couple 0:17:55.720 --> 0:18:00.000 of people said the two biggest injuries for them last 0:18:00.119 --> 0:18:01.880 year with the injury to Dak Still in the injury 0:18:01.880 --> 0:18:04.719 to Camp Sample, the two most visatle defensive players. So 0:18:05.359 --> 0:18:06.960 I think Sample is a good get too. 0:18:07.960 --> 0:18:08.800 I think TJ. 0:18:09.000 --> 0:18:13.919 Slayton, for me, is the greatest pickup they've made, certainly 0:18:13.920 --> 0:18:18.640 from another team. That's the guy that they've desperately missed, 0:18:19.080 --> 0:18:21.879 just that gigantic and movable guy in the middle of 0:18:21.920 --> 0:18:24.439 the defensive line. The fact that he's already played for 0:18:24.520 --> 0:18:27.920 Jerry Montgomery, so Jerry knows what he's getting, knows how 0:18:27.960 --> 0:18:32.720 to use him. I just think you can't overestimate the 0:18:32.760 --> 0:18:35.160 importance of getting bigger inside on defense. 0:18:35.960 --> 0:18:38.920 I agree, And he's a run stopper and you got 0:18:38.920 --> 0:18:41.959 to stop the run and obviously to use them mantra 0:18:42.080 --> 0:18:44.760 because it's it's you have to play that style of ball. 0:18:45.800 --> 0:18:48.199 Zach said it when he hired Al. You know, he 0:18:48.240 --> 0:18:51.120 wanted a guy familiar with the division. I think also too, 0:18:51.640 --> 0:18:54.320 a guy you're glad that you know. Don't don't don't 0:18:54.359 --> 0:18:58.280 you can't overestimate some ijp Ryan coming back. I mean, 0:18:58.640 --> 0:19:00.800 you go back and you look back at you know, 0:19:00.840 --> 0:19:03.680 thanks to Michael Hull our website, guy's been posting all 0:19:03.680 --> 0:19:06.600 these videos of Samajia and you remember, the memories come 0:19:06.640 --> 0:19:10.719 flooding back, just how much and good he was, you know, 0:19:10.840 --> 0:19:14.800 and then you know, so that's that's something. You know, 0:19:15.000 --> 0:19:18.000 Now you can give Chase Brown a breather, you know, 0:19:18.359 --> 0:19:20.239 give him a breather for a drive, give him a 0:19:20.280 --> 0:19:23.680 breather for you know, I mean, Samaji maybe the best 0:19:23.720 --> 0:19:25.960 third down back in the game when it comes to blocking. 0:19:26.080 --> 0:19:28.840 So don't underice to make that that's a that's a 0:19:29.080 --> 0:19:30.920 that's a great pick up. The two guys they pick 0:19:31.000 --> 0:19:35.679 up between between him and Patrick. You know, people talk about, oh, 0:19:35.720 --> 0:19:38.480 you got to protect Burrow, Well that's that's yeah, you 0:19:38.560 --> 0:19:39.879 got to go get a couple of guards, which you 0:19:39.960 --> 0:19:44.320 know what samaj and Patrick they protect the quarterback. 0:19:45.359 --> 0:19:48.200 Or to come with Jeff Hobson, including our draft discussion. 0:19:48.240 --> 0:19:51.440 But first, a quick reminder that the Bengals Booth podcast 0:19:51.560 --> 0:19:53.439 is brought to you by pay Corps, Proud to be 0:19:53.480 --> 0:19:58.000 the Bengals Official HR software provider, by Alta Fiber future 0:19:58.040 --> 0:20:00.560 proof Fiber Internet design to elevate your home, own business, 0:20:00.560 --> 0:20:04.040 and community to a new level, and by Kettering Health 0:20:04.240 --> 0:20:07.199 the best care for the best fans. Kettering Health is 0:20:07.200 --> 0:20:12.360 the official healthcare provider of the Bengals. Is there another 0:20:12.480 --> 0:20:16.200 position where you anticipate don't pick up a veteran free agent? 0:20:16.280 --> 0:20:19.600 Maybe after the draft? Cornerback, linebacker, whatever. 0:20:20.600 --> 0:20:23.359 That's a good question. I think it's all depends who's there. 0:20:23.720 --> 0:20:26.879 I think linebacker is definitely. I think that's definitely a 0:20:26.920 --> 0:20:29.280 spot that they want to You know, they haven't drafted 0:20:29.320 --> 0:20:32.359 the linebacker in five years. Uh the last the last 0:20:32.359 --> 0:20:35.960 backer they drafted was was, you know, Marcus Bailey the 0:20:35.960 --> 0:20:38.280 seventh round of that twenty twenty draft where they drafted 0:20:38.280 --> 0:20:40.440 Logan Wilson and a Keen Davis gab They haven't drafted 0:20:40.440 --> 0:20:42.679 a guy since, so that's obviously going to be I 0:20:42.680 --> 0:20:45.200 think they'll probably get one there in the draft, but 0:20:45.280 --> 0:20:47.240 I think they'll also be looking on the in the 0:20:47.800 --> 0:20:51.200 on the market for you know, for something else. You know, cornerback, 0:20:51.440 --> 0:20:56.400 I just don't you know, everybody wants a veteran cornerback 0:20:56.440 --> 0:20:58.440 and I'm not sure why. I mean, I think they're 0:20:58.800 --> 0:21:00.640 I think they're blessed at corner back. I think it's 0:21:00.640 --> 0:21:03.800 their deepest, best position on defense, and it's one of 0:21:03.840 --> 0:21:06.920 the strongest of the team with with Kay what Brett, 0:21:07.000 --> 0:21:08.120 DJ Turner, Dax who. 0:21:08.680 --> 0:21:11.760 I think they've got four that they like. You mentioned three. 0:21:11.840 --> 0:21:16.240 I'm throwing fake Newton that gives you four. But it's 0:21:16.280 --> 0:21:18.800 the position where guys tend to get hurt the most. 0:21:18.920 --> 0:21:21.640 They're little guys tackling big guys, running up and down 0:21:21.640 --> 0:21:24.240 the field on every play. I just I don't think 0:21:24.280 --> 0:21:26.600 you can have enough. I like the guys they have, 0:21:26.680 --> 0:21:27.960 I just don't think he can have enough. 0:21:28.640 --> 0:21:30.760