1 00:00:03,680 --> 00:00:06,640 Speaker 1: Hi, get everybody. I'm Dan Hoard and thanks for downloading 2 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:12,559 Speaker 1: The Bengals Booth podcast. The Pee will Talk. In addition, 3 00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:16,000 Speaker 1: as Bengals dot Com editor Jeff Hobson joins me for 4 00:00:16,079 --> 00:00:20,560 Speaker 1: an in depth discussion about free agency, the draft, and 5 00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:24,239 Speaker 1: how the national media treats the Bengals. The Bengals Booth 6 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:26,639 Speaker 1: Podcast is brought to you by pay Core, Proud to 7 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:31,120 Speaker 1: be the Bengals official hr software provider, by Ulta Fiber 8 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:34,320 Speaker 1: futureproof Fiber Internet designed to elevate your home, business and 9 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 1: community to a new level, and by Kettering Health the 10 00:00:38,440 --> 00:00:41,199 Speaker 1: best care for the best fans. 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Now time to talk football and get 30 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 1: a rant off of my chest with Bengals dot Com 31 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 1: editor Jeff Butch Hobson. All right, but you want to 32 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 1: start with a media rant in this podcast. When the 33 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:16,119 Speaker 1: Bengals were still negotiating with Jamar and t numerous national 34 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:19,360 Speaker 1: commentators kept saying that the Bengals would never get it 35 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:22,200 Speaker 1: done because, as we've heard many times over the years, 36 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 1: the Bengals are too cheap. Then, before the ink was 37 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 1: even dry on the contract extensions, the narrative change. Do 38 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 1: they spend too much on two wide receivers or the 39 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:35,959 Speaker 1: contracts aren't as good as they appear to be. Am 40 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:39,600 Speaker 1: I being a total homer to think that the Bengals 41 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:43,360 Speaker 1: are treated more harshly by the national media than any 42 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:44,320 Speaker 1: team in the NFL. 43 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:48,600 Speaker 2: You know, Hordy welcome. I guess we're both at home 44 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:55,079 Speaker 2: because I just texted a national calumnist that I highly 45 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 2: regard and I find him very good. And he wrote 46 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:02,840 Speaker 2: in his column that the Bengals have done. The Bengals 47 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:06,040 Speaker 2: did nothing before Joe Burrow was here, and they did 48 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 2: these uncharacteristic deals. And I texted a guy said, look, 49 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 2: I love you, but in the fifteen years before Burrow 50 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 2: got here, they went to seven playoffs. They won four divisions, 51 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:19,799 Speaker 2: and yes, they didn't want a playoff game. But also 52 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 2: in that stretch, they made Casson Palmer the highest paid player. 53 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 2: They made Willie Anderson the highest paid tackle twice in history. 54 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:32,840 Speaker 2: They made AJ Green and Geno Watkins top three paid 55 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:38,040 Speaker 2: players at their position. And you know, he wrote back, Oh, 56 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 2: I'm not saying, you know, I think my final shot 57 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:44,960 Speaker 2: was you know, I get it, but you know we 58 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 2: aren't the Browns and the Jets, which is where we 59 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:50,960 Speaker 2: seem to be lumped. And I'm with you. It's these 60 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:54,000 Speaker 2: national drive buys that I don't quite get. But then 61 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 2: he also, you know it can stend, it can extend 62 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 2: here too. I mean, I've been reading where this is 63 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 2: going to. This has to be a generational draft, and 64 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:11,160 Speaker 2: it's important, especially now because of how the contracts are structured. 65 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 2: You know, with with you know, you've got to pay 66 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:17,840 Speaker 2: younger guys. But I mean, you know, it's not an 67 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:21,280 Speaker 2: AJ Green, Andy Dalton, Joe Burrow to Higgins draft. I mean, 68 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 2: you know, yeah, they got to add an edge and 69 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:28,800 Speaker 2: they got an add an added defensive tackle. But this 70 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:31,920 Speaker 2: is not a This is not a team riddled with holes. 71 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 3: You described a lot of their own players that they've 72 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:40,640 Speaker 3: retained with big contracts, but they've also been one of 73 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:43,120 Speaker 3: the more active teams in the NFL and pre agency 74 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 3: over the last five to ten years. We can run 75 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:48,599 Speaker 3: off the list, DJ Reeder, Trey Hendrickson, Orlando Brown Junior, 76 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:49,599 Speaker 3: et cetera, et cetera. 77 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:53,560 Speaker 4: Now that they've given these gigantic. 78 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:57,480 Speaker 3: Extensions to Joe Burrow last year, Jamar and t this year. 79 00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:00,919 Speaker 4: When will the word cheap go away? Doesn't do? 80 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:03,240 Speaker 3: You have to win a Super Bowl before people start 81 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:04,799 Speaker 3: calling stop calling you cheap. 82 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:07,960 Speaker 2: I think you win one and you're still going to 83 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:10,960 Speaker 2: be cheap. I think these are these are tags that 84 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:16,840 Speaker 2: unfortunately hang with you. But you know, if you win 85 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 2: a Super and but we were, But I saw these 86 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 2: stories two years ago. Hey, you can the Bengals are 87 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:28,799 Speaker 2: proving you can win with a small but good scouting staff, 88 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:32,880 Speaker 2: and you can win with uh, you know, reasonable free 89 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 2: agent deals, and you can win by drafting and developing. 90 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:38,960 Speaker 2: You know, that was just two years ago. So I mean, 91 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know what. Well, I know 92 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 2: what happened. They went nine and eight and nine and eight, 93 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:46,719 Speaker 2: that's what happened. But I mean that's uh, that's still 94 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:50,800 Speaker 2: that still shouldn't change the thing that they're that that 95 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:54,159 Speaker 2: they've been successful in most NFL teams in this century. 96 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:55,560 Speaker 2: I mean that's just the fact. 97 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 3: Well, I hope that winning a Super Bowl changes the 98 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 3: national narritive because I think they're going to win one 99 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 3: in the next few years. 100 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:04,159 Speaker 4: And the Joe Burrow era. 101 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:06,840 Speaker 3: I've maintained that since the day that they drafted him, 102 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 3: and I still believe it to be true, hopefully this year. 103 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:13,840 Speaker 3: In Santa Clara, speaking of Joe Burrow, bis as far 104 00:06:13,839 --> 00:06:16,080 Speaker 3: as I can tell you are the only reporter that 105 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:19,440 Speaker 3: talked to Joe after Jamar and T were extended. 106 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 5: How would you describe the conversation. H It was a 107 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:28,960 Speaker 5: typical Borough conversation. It was to the point, and uh, 108 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:29,680 Speaker 5: he was happy. 109 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 2: Uh when he said, I knew I was pretty confident 110 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 2: we were going to get Jama done, but I knew 111 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:39,240 Speaker 2: T was going to be a big lift. And uh, 112 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:41,640 Speaker 2: I think we all agree with that, because you know, 113 00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:44,839 Speaker 2: T was you know, can you sign both? You know, 114 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:46,760 Speaker 2: how can you sign both these guys? How can you 115 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:50,599 Speaker 2: make Jama the richest non quarterback and then and still 116 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:53,839 Speaker 2: fit in another elite receiver? I think everybody one that 117 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:57,800 Speaker 2: wandering about that, you know, particularly you know Joe, and 118 00:06:57,880 --> 00:06:59,120 Speaker 2: I think that's he was. 119 00:06:59,279 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 4: Uh. 120 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:02,279 Speaker 2: And I wouldn't say he was relieved or anything like that, 121 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:06,360 Speaker 2: but I think he thought. I think, you know, he 122 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 2: acted like he did, you know that night in Dallas, 123 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:13,680 Speaker 2: that Monday night in Dallas. He you know, I'm confident 124 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 2: we can do it, and you know he's he's right, 125 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 2: you know, and he turned out to be right. But yeah, 126 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 2: he was. He was classic Joe. It was like talking 127 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 2: to him, you know, after the AFC championship game in 128 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 2: Kansas City, except there was no cigar. 129 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 4: There. 130 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:32,240 Speaker 3: Mind have been a cigar later for all we know, 131 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:35,200 Speaker 3: since they got those deals done. As I tell people 132 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:38,920 Speaker 3: when they asked me about dealing with Joe, he's not 133 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:42,560 Speaker 3: one that wants you to linger and chit chat. If 134 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 3: the topic is the Bengals, his teammates, whatever, he will 135 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 3: do his job and do it well and give you 136 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:49,600 Speaker 3: what you need. 137 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 2: He was. He was pleasant, he said, Hobbes see seeing 138 00:07:54,800 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 2: in a couple of months. So but he was he is. Uh, 139 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 2: he has earned some well deserved aarron I but you 140 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:05,560 Speaker 2: know he's gonna be you know, wherever he is, he's 141 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 2: going to be working and throwing too. I mean, that 142 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 2: guy's a The thing about Jamar and t and Jamar 143 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:14,480 Speaker 2: and Joe, you know, they they're always going to be 144 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 2: joined at the hip, even when they have the bus 145 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 2: and can't you know they're going to have the bus 146 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 2: right next to each other. But there's they apposed the 147 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:25,240 Speaker 2: game the same way. You know, they're just they're football aholics, 148 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:27,800 Speaker 2: you know what I mean. I mean they're both Jim rats, 149 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 2: you know what I mean. And so it's uh, I 150 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 2: think I think that's why they're so close. It's just 151 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:34,679 Speaker 2: because they they're wired the same way. And I got 152 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:38,160 Speaker 2: that sense as Joe was, you know, leaving that you 153 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 2: know he was he was, he was like he was 154 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:42,920 Speaker 2: going to work and he'll come back and he'll be 155 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:44,719 Speaker 2: ready to go at the end of April or May 156 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:45,560 Speaker 2: or whenever they come in. 157 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:49,600 Speaker 3: All Right, when I run into Bengals fans, I've been 158 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 3: getting two big questions over and over again. Number One, 159 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 3: will they be able to keep Trey Hendrickson. Here's the 160 00:08:57,080 --> 00:09:00,439 Speaker 3: tricky part as I see it, You've got four edge 161 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:04,840 Speaker 3: rushers making thirty four million dollars or more per year, 162 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:08,520 Speaker 3: Miles Garrett, Denil Hunter, Max Crosby, and Nick Bosa. 163 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:09,439 Speaker 4: Then there's this. 164 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:13,840 Speaker 3: Huge drop off two guys making roughly twenty eight million 165 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:17,440 Speaker 3: or a little bit less, including TJ. Watt, former NFL 166 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:20,439 Speaker 3: Defensive Player of the Year, who's the same age as Trey. 167 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:24,520 Speaker 3: I can understand Trey wanting to be paid like those 168 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:28,199 Speaker 3: four guys making thirty four plus, but I don't think 169 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:33,120 Speaker 3: it's unreasonable of the Bengals maybe try to negotiate something 170 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 3: closer to the TJ. 171 00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:35,360 Speaker 4: Watt number. 172 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:39,800 Speaker 3: My hope is that the two parties can find something 173 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 3: that works for both of them. But it is kind 174 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 3: of strange that you have this huge six million dollars 175 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 3: between a handful of guys and another group of guys 176 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 3: who are great players. 177 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 2: I mean, it's pretty clear he wants to be here, 178 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 2: and it's pretty clear. I think these guys want them 179 00:09:57,520 --> 00:09:59,719 Speaker 2: back too. That's pretty clear. So I mean, I think 180 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:03,080 Speaker 2: that's to I think the difficult tide is done. It's 181 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:06,560 Speaker 2: just uh coming to that number, whatever that number is, 182 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 2: and it's uh, you know, Hendrickson is is you go 183 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:12,959 Speaker 2: back and you have to put him? I mean greatest 184 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:16,360 Speaker 2: free you know, if we're talking about free agents, greatest 185 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 2: free agent signing, right, I mean, I think DJ readers 186 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:23,920 Speaker 2: pretty you know is I mean, is close. But here's 187 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:27,040 Speaker 2: a man who, you know, the last two years, he's 188 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:29,240 Speaker 2: he's had the most sacks of anybody in the league. 189 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:32,240 Speaker 2: I mean, so, you know, I mean, I think I 190 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:34,800 Speaker 2: think he wants to I think Trey wants to finish it. 191 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:36,520 Speaker 2: I think he wants to be in the Ring of Honor. 192 00:10:36,559 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 2: I think he I think he believes he's a mangalful life. 193 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:45,120 Speaker 2: He's a very passionate guy, so that an emotional guy 194 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 2: and I just that's what makes him great. And you 195 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:52,520 Speaker 2: just you've got to believe that you know something, something 196 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:54,920 Speaker 2: is gonna you know, I hate this roll out, the 197 00:10:55,000 --> 00:11:03,640 Speaker 2: Raphael Devers Alex Brigman thing, but but you knows where's 198 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:06,560 Speaker 2: Dever's going to play? Is Bregman going to switch positions? 199 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:09,800 Speaker 2: Is it will work out, It will work out. And 200 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:13,320 Speaker 2: the same thing with Higgins and with Higgins and Chase 201 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:16,280 Speaker 2: it will work out, it will work out. And this 202 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:20,440 Speaker 2: is with Hendrickson. I'm going to drop the Deva's Bregman 203 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:23,120 Speaker 2: line here. It's going to work out. I don't know how, 204 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:24,800 Speaker 2: but I mean, I think it's going to work out 205 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:27,440 Speaker 2: where both sides can be happy. 206 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:31,560 Speaker 3: A lot of people question how wise it is to 207 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:34,080 Speaker 3: pay a pass rusher who's going to be thirty one 208 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:37,760 Speaker 3: at some point this season, and I get it, it's 209 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:40,120 Speaker 3: fair to bring that up. The thing that I would 210 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:43,640 Speaker 3: stay about Trey is that he's playing his best football 211 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:47,079 Speaker 3: ever at his current age seventeen and a half sacks 212 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:49,520 Speaker 3: each of the last two years. I'm sure there's going 213 00:11:49,559 --> 00:11:54,600 Speaker 3: to be some drop off that's natural, but I don't 214 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:57,720 Speaker 3: think he's going to drop off the cliff. And if 215 00:11:57,760 --> 00:12:02,680 Speaker 3: these assemblance of his current level in the next two 216 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:06,080 Speaker 3: or three years, however long an extension would be, that's 217 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:10,319 Speaker 3: still really good to help you win the AFC North 218 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:11,880 Speaker 3: and contend for a Super Bowl title. 219 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:15,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the things that make him great, you know, 220 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:18,480 Speaker 2: I mean that that first step is that is that? 221 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:19,160 Speaker 2: Is that gonna? 222 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:19,480 Speaker 3: Is it? 223 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 2: Does that? Wayne? You know? Does that Wayne? Through time? 224 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:23,480 Speaker 2: Or I mean I think a lot of that is 225 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:27,680 Speaker 2: knowing your opponent, knowing how they're playing you, anticipating the 226 00:12:27,679 --> 00:12:30,960 Speaker 2: snap count. You know. I'm not sure that stuff, you know, 227 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:33,880 Speaker 2: leaves you when you hit a wall, you know what 228 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:36,920 Speaker 2: I mean? And uh so, I think plus it's is 229 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:40,880 Speaker 2: you know, Tray Hendrickson is going to be really is 230 00:12:40,920 --> 00:12:43,600 Speaker 2: going to be relentless and anything he does, whether he's 231 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:47,880 Speaker 2: whether he's thirty or ninety, and he'll always have that. 232 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:50,120 Speaker 2: And that's the number one part of his game. Is 233 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:51,000 Speaker 2: he never stops. 234 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:54,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's not going away. I don't see him playing 235 00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:57,560 Speaker 3: until least ninety. But we'll take him for a few 236 00:12:57,600 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 3: more years, that's for sure, all Right. The second question, 237 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 3: and I'm getting over and over from Bengals fans, as 238 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:06,840 Speaker 3: will they sign another veteran guard? They signed Lucas Patrick. 239 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:10,120 Speaker 3: They'll be thirty two in July. It's got sixty four 240 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:12,840 Speaker 3: careers starts under his belt. You had a great stat 241 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:15,560 Speaker 3: in one of the things you wrote on Bengals dot Com. 242 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:18,000 Speaker 3: He has not given up a sack in his last 243 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:21,560 Speaker 3: eight hundred and ninety three patch blocking snaps, which is 244 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 3: a great stat. 245 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:26,360 Speaker 4: If nothing else, he adds great veteran. 246 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 3: Depth, But there are still guys out there who have 247 00:13:30,640 --> 00:13:32,439 Speaker 3: a better track record than he does. 248 00:13:32,679 --> 00:13:34,160 Speaker 4: Branded Sheriff has been on. 249 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:37,880 Speaker 3: Multi time pro bowler Will Hernandez was really good before 250 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:41,760 Speaker 3: he suffered a knee injury. Do you think another guard 251 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:44,480 Speaker 3: is coming or do you think this is the group 252 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:47,080 Speaker 3: they're going to have with the possibility of adding a 253 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:49,120 Speaker 3: draft pick to compete for a starting spot. 254 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:54,800 Speaker 2: Well, with these two deals, and you know, and with 255 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:59,560 Speaker 2: Hendrickson getting a raise, you know that that number can't 256 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:03,800 Speaker 2: be a big number, you know. And I do think 257 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:06,319 Speaker 2: a veteran god is coming. But my sense will come 258 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:09,440 Speaker 2: after the draft, you know. For all we know they'll 259 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:12,520 Speaker 2: draft two guys, you know. I mean, I'm not sure. 260 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:14,600 Speaker 2: We'll see what the draft, you know, We'll see what 261 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:17,480 Speaker 2: the draft gives them, and then I think maybe if 262 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:19,760 Speaker 2: they feel like they got to go back. You know. 263 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:22,600 Speaker 2: I think in the market that they that they would 264 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 2: and they might get one of those guys at the 265 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:27,280 Speaker 2: at a pretty good price, you know, And I think 266 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:29,440 Speaker 2: that's how you have to that's how they have to 267 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:31,520 Speaker 2: approach it. I mean, I mean, people can you know, 268 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:35,240 Speaker 2: moan all they want about, Oh, they should have structured 269 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:39,400 Speaker 2: it so you know, they could have got more free 270 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:41,680 Speaker 2: agents this trip. Well, A, I don't think they were 271 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:45,840 Speaker 2: infatuated by the crop of free agents, and B you're 272 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 2: not going to be saying that in twenty twenty six 273 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:50,160 Speaker 2: when you got to cut one of them, you know, 274 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:54,720 Speaker 2: because they're tap number ballooned in the out years, because 275 00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:59,200 Speaker 2: you wanted to do something now. So I think that 276 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:02,640 Speaker 2: and I think they knew that when they I think, 277 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:05,040 Speaker 2: you know, this has been part of the plan when 278 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:09,080 Speaker 2: they when they scouted this free agency class and they 279 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:13,000 Speaker 2: scouted the draft class. And so from what I understand, 280 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 2: it's pretty good on guards. You know, there's some there's 281 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:18,600 Speaker 2: some you know, some pretty good guard prospects. So yeah, 282 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:21,120 Speaker 2: I would expect another veteran to come in. But I'm 283 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:23,480 Speaker 2: thinking maybe maybe after the draft. 284 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:27,400 Speaker 3: The Jamar and t extensions obviously commanded most of the attention, 285 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:29,400 Speaker 3: and for good reason, But those are not the only 286 00:15:29,480 --> 00:15:32,920 Speaker 3: free agency moves that they've made. Internally, they hold onto 287 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:36,920 Speaker 3: Joseph O's side, b J Hill, Cam Sample, Mike Kasiki, 288 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:40,280 Speaker 3: Cody Ford, and some others UH free agents from other teams. 289 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 4: We mentioned Lucas Patrick. 290 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 3: They're bringing in linebacker Orrin Berks, defensive tackle TJ. Slayton, 291 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:48,520 Speaker 3: some I J. P. Ryan is back and we're happy 292 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:51,320 Speaker 3: to have him back on the roster. What's the best 293 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 3: move in your opinion of those other moves aside from 294 00:15:54,920 --> 00:15:56,560 Speaker 3: Jamar and Tink. 295 00:15:56,680 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 2: I think it's got to be Koseki. But I also 296 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:02,160 Speaker 2: so would I think if I could just say something 297 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:09,800 Speaker 2: about Osai and Sample, I think the UH, the coaches, 298 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:13,280 Speaker 2: the new coaches. I think that you know, the the scouts, 299 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:16,440 Speaker 2: the in the front office listened to the new coaches, 300 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:20,240 Speaker 2: and when they watch tape, they they're impressed with Joseph Osai, 301 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:23,560 Speaker 2: They're impressed with Cam Sample. So you never get any 302 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:26,840 Speaker 2: credit for in free agency when you sign your own 303 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:29,000 Speaker 2: guy back in free agency, you don't get credit for that. 304 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:31,920 Speaker 4: But in lessons like at Jamar and t that's a 305 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:32,960 Speaker 4: different level. 306 00:16:33,160 --> 00:16:36,000 Speaker 2: Right, But you know, you know, but Osai you know, 307 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:39,160 Speaker 2: to me, that's a good getting free agency because he 308 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 2: finished the season terrific. And I and people forget this, 309 00:16:42,400 --> 00:16:44,160 Speaker 2: but in twenty twenty two, and I think this is 310 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:46,640 Speaker 2: what a guy like Jerry Montgomery is looking at and 311 00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:49,480 Speaker 2: Al Golden is looking at on tape, they're looking at uh. 312 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:52,760 Speaker 2: You know that last stretch of twenty twenty two, he 313 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:56,120 Speaker 2: was Joseph Osai was tremendous, and he was playing with 314 00:16:56,160 --> 00:16:59,440 Speaker 2: a with a torn labram who was playing hurt. He 315 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:01,840 Speaker 2: played the best ball of his career. And I think 316 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:04,160 Speaker 2: there's a sense that Joseph you can do a lot 317 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:08,359 Speaker 2: with Joseph OSII. That the that he'll be the beneficiary 318 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:10,879 Speaker 2: of a new scheme and and get a breath of 319 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:13,080 Speaker 2: fresh air with a new staff. That's not saying anything 320 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:15,920 Speaker 2: about the old staff, but you know how it is. 321 00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:19,600 Speaker 2: Get to get you get a uh, get a new situation, 322 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:22,040 Speaker 2: you get revived a little bit. I mean, I remember, 323 00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:25,680 Speaker 2: you know, the first third down of the Buffalo playoff 324 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:28,840 Speaker 2: game in the snow, Joseph Osai on third and six 325 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:33,040 Speaker 2: is rushing inside and question was right in Josh Allen's face. 326 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:35,800 Speaker 2: The force and the completion and kind of set the tone. Well, 327 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:38,960 Speaker 2: I didn't see him line up inside very much last year. 328 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:41,480 Speaker 2: You know, maybe this is something he can do. So 329 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:45,520 Speaker 2: you know, I think the second's the best move other 330 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:49,359 Speaker 2: than team in jama But you know, to get a 331 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:53,200 Speaker 2: guy like Sample is the most versatile defensive lineman. I 332 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:55,680 Speaker 2: mean I talked to two people. I've talked a couple 333 00:17:55,720 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 2: of people said the two biggest injuries for them last 334 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:01,880 Speaker 2: year with the injury to Dak Still in the injury 335 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:04,719 Speaker 2: to Camp Sample, the two most visatle defensive players. So 336 00:18:05,359 --> 00:18:06,960 Speaker 2: I think Sample is a good get too. 337 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 4: I think TJ. 338 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:13,919 Speaker 3: Slayton, for me, is the greatest pickup they've made, certainly 339 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:18,640 Speaker 3: from another team. That's the guy that they've desperately missed, 340 00:18:19,080 --> 00:18:21,879 Speaker 3: just that gigantic and movable guy in the middle of 341 00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:24,439 Speaker 3: the defensive line. The fact that he's already played for 342 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:27,920 Speaker 3: Jerry Montgomery, so Jerry knows what he's getting, knows how 343 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:32,720 Speaker 3: to use him. I just think you can't overestimate the 344 00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:35,160 Speaker 3: importance of getting bigger inside on defense. 345 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:38,920 Speaker 2: I agree, And he's a run stopper and you got 346 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:41,959 Speaker 2: to stop the run and obviously to use them mantra 347 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:44,760 Speaker 2: because it's it's you have to play that style of ball. 348 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:48,199 Speaker 2: Zach said it when he hired Al. You know, he 349 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:51,120 Speaker 2: wanted a guy familiar with the division. I think also too, 350 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:54,320 Speaker 2: a guy you're glad that you know. Don't don't don't 351 00:18:54,359 --> 00:18:58,280 Speaker 2: you can't overestimate some ijp Ryan coming back. I mean, 352 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:00,800 Speaker 2: you go back and you look back at you know, 353 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:03,680 Speaker 2: thanks to Michael Hull our website, guy's been posting all 354 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:06,600 Speaker 2: these videos of Samajia and you remember, the memories come 355 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:10,719 Speaker 2: flooding back, just how much and good he was, you know, 356 00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:14,800 Speaker 2: and then you know, so that's that's something. You know, 357 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:18,000 Speaker 2: Now you can give Chase Brown a breather, you know, 358 00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:20,239 Speaker 2: give him a breather for a drive, give him a 359 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:23,680 Speaker 2: breather for you know, I mean, Samaji maybe the best 360 00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:25,960 Speaker 2: third down back in the game when it comes to blocking. 361 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:28,840 Speaker 2: So don't underice to make that that's a that's a 362 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:30,920 Speaker 2: that's a great pick up. The two guys they pick 363 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:35,679 Speaker 2: up between between him and Patrick. You know, people talk about, oh, 364 00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:38,480 Speaker 2: you got to protect Burrow, Well that's that's yeah, you 365 00:19:38,560 --> 00:19:39,879 Speaker 2: got to go get a couple of guards, which you 366 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:44,320 Speaker 2: know what samaj and Patrick they protect the quarterback. 367 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:48,200 Speaker 1: Or to come with Jeff Hobson, including our draft discussion. 368 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:51,440 Speaker 1: But first, a quick reminder that the Bengals Booth podcast 369 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:53,439 Speaker 1: is brought to you by pay Corps, Proud to be 370 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:58,000 Speaker 1: the Bengals Official HR software provider, by Alta Fiber future 371 00:19:58,040 --> 00:20:00,560 Speaker 1: proof Fiber Internet design to elevate your home, own business, 372 00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:04,040 Speaker 1: and community to a new level, and by Kettering Health 373 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:07,199 Speaker 1: the best care for the best fans. Kettering Health is 374 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:12,360 Speaker 1: the official healthcare provider of the Bengals. Is there another 375 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:16,200 Speaker 1: position where you anticipate don't pick up a veteran free agent? 376 00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:19,600 Speaker 3: Maybe after the draft? Cornerback, linebacker, whatever. 377 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:23,359 Speaker 2: That's a good question. I think it's all depends who's there. 378 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:26,879 Speaker 2: I think linebacker is definitely. I think that's definitely a 379 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:29,280 Speaker 2: spot that they want to You know, they haven't drafted 380 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:32,359 Speaker 2: the linebacker in five years. Uh the last the last 381 00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:35,960 Speaker 2: backer they drafted was was, you know, Marcus Bailey the 382 00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:38,280 Speaker 2: seventh round of that twenty twenty draft where they drafted 383 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:40,440 Speaker 2: Logan Wilson and a Keen Davis gab They haven't drafted 384 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:42,679 Speaker 2: a guy since, so that's obviously going to be I 385 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:45,200 Speaker 2: think they'll probably get one there in the draft, but 386 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:47,240 Speaker 2: I think they'll also be looking on the in the 387 00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:51,200 Speaker 2: on the market for you know, for something else. You know, cornerback, 388 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:56,400 Speaker 2: I just don't you know, everybody wants a veteran cornerback 389 00:20:56,440 --> 00:20:58,440 Speaker 2: and I'm not sure why. I mean, I think they're 390 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:00,640 Speaker 2: I think they're blessed at corner back. I think it's 391 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 2: their deepest, best position on defense, and it's one of 392 00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:06,920 Speaker 2: the strongest of the team with with Kay what Brett, 393 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:08,120 Speaker 2: DJ Turner, Dax who. 394 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:11,760 Speaker 3: I think they've got four that they like. You mentioned three. 395 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:16,240 Speaker 3: I'm throwing fake Newton that gives you four. But it's 396 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:18,800 Speaker 3: the position where guys tend to get hurt the most. 397 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:21,640 Speaker 3: They're little guys tackling big guys, running up and down 398 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:24,240 Speaker 3: the field on every play. I just I don't think 399 00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:26,600 Speaker 3: you can have enough. I like the guys they have, 400 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:27,960 Speaker 3: I just don't think he can have enough. 401 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 2: I like Ivy, you know, I think Ivy's another guy 402 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:33,399 Speaker 2: can a good point throwing that. But you're right, I mean, 403 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:35,639 Speaker 2: if they can, you know, if they can, uh. I 404 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:38,800 Speaker 2: also like you know, anybody you know, uh, Michael Wilson 405 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:41,680 Speaker 2: is also they kept Marco Wilson you know played well, 406 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:43,879 Speaker 2: you know, so maybe you know to me, they're they're all. 407 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:45,280 Speaker 2: But you know, but if you see you know what 408 00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:47,960 Speaker 2: I mean, if there's a guy out there on on 409 00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:50,280 Speaker 2: on May sixth and you say, my god, he's still there, 410 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:53,720 Speaker 2: you know, then I could see him doing something. But uh, 411 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:57,040 Speaker 2: I think something that this new regime on defense, I 412 00:21:57,080 --> 00:22:00,200 Speaker 2: think they're going to play young guys, you know what 413 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:02,720 Speaker 2: I mean. I don't think. I think And Duke said 414 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:04,080 Speaker 2: this at the Seena Bowl. When I asked him at 415 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:05,960 Speaker 2: the Seena Bol he said, you know, he asked, he 416 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 2: was second against himself. Did I hang on to that 417 00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:12,120 Speaker 2: Super Bowl defense too long? You know? So I think 418 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:16,400 Speaker 2: there's I'm not sure there's going to be a lot 419 00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:19,400 Speaker 2: of veteran guys in depth positions. 420 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:23,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, you need young legs at corner. For every Terrence 421 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:27,439 Speaker 3: Newman who plays until a very older age, there are 422 00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:31,320 Speaker 3: ten guys that suddenly just fall off the cliff at 423 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 3: that position. To me, much more than defensive end or 424 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:37,040 Speaker 3: edge rusher. I think corners take it takes young. 425 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:38,439 Speaker 4: Legs, I think. So. 426 00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:42,239 Speaker 2: I think corner and wide receiver all. You know. I mean, 427 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:43,919 Speaker 2: you know this sport. You've been watching the league long 428 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:46,240 Speaker 2: enough you they show up one year and it's, oh 429 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:48,320 Speaker 2: my god, they're not the you know what I mean, 430 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:52,760 Speaker 2: it's almost like it seems quick, you know, those two positions. 431 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:55,320 Speaker 3: All right, Let's take a closer look at the draft. 432 00:22:55,920 --> 00:23:00,720 Speaker 3: I looked at sixteen recent mock drafts from prominent outlets. 433 00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:06,119 Speaker 3: Twelve of the sixteen have the Bengals taking a defensive lineman, 434 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:08,960 Speaker 3: whether it's a tackle or an edge rusher. The other 435 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:13,200 Speaker 3: four positions of these sixteen mock drafts one corner, one safety, 436 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:15,200 Speaker 3: one guard, one tight end. 437 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:16,880 Speaker 4: I really don't see the tight end. 438 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:19,560 Speaker 3: But in any case, twelve out of sixteen, that's seventy 439 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:20,280 Speaker 3: five percent. 440 00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:22,120 Speaker 4: So let me ask the question this way. 441 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:26,360 Speaker 3: Is it's seventy five percent lightly that the seventeenth pick 442 00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:29,200 Speaker 3: in the draft will be either a defensive tackle or 443 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:30,080 Speaker 3: defensive end. 444 00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:33,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I would say I would say so 445 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:36,080 Speaker 2: just because A that's the need and B that's where 446 00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:39,040 Speaker 2: the strength of the draft is. But you know, I 447 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:43,560 Speaker 2: and you know they're I mean, if you notice, you know, 448 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:46,840 Speaker 2: the higher the pick in the first round, the bigger 449 00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:49,920 Speaker 2: the guy, you know what I mean, the bigger it's 450 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:53,000 Speaker 2: a it's a defensive you know, it's usually an you know, 451 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:56,520 Speaker 2: it's usually a tackle. But you know, the last you know, 452 00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:58,560 Speaker 2: now they haven't taken a defensive tackle in the first 453 00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 2: round since they took dead well first overall before you 454 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:06,080 Speaker 2: were born voting, Well, no, I guess you were at Fox. 455 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:08,840 Speaker 2: I guess you were at Fox, right, which is kind 456 00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:10,120 Speaker 2: of like before you were born. 457 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:12,080 Speaker 4: I had hair. 458 00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:18,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I do think offensive tackle and defense and 459 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:21,040 Speaker 2: edge they've drafted that last. I mean, it just seems 460 00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:25,000 Speaker 2: like the big guys, the bigger they you know, the lower, 461 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:26,760 Speaker 2: you know, the higher to pick, the bigger they go. 462 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:29,280 Speaker 2: But you know, I still like to sit now. I 463 00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:33,040 Speaker 2: took the safety from South Carolina, but that's probably not 464 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:36,399 Speaker 2: I just kind of did it to obviously be it, 465 00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:39,119 Speaker 2: you know, kind of throw another wrinkle into it because 466 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:42,760 Speaker 2: to pick the my mock draft before I picked Walter Nolan. 467 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:45,840 Speaker 2: To me, this is looking like and I really do 468 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:48,600 Speaker 2: like the South Carolina safety because I think, you know, 469 00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:52,440 Speaker 2: let's let's be afc north about this. Let's match Kyle 470 00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:55,960 Speaker 2: Hamilton from Baltimore. And I'm sorry I can't pronounce the 471 00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:59,400 Speaker 2: young man's name from South Carolina and more away, I 472 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:03,800 Speaker 2: am a war why I screwed that up. But match 473 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:07,760 Speaker 2: Kyle Hamilton, you know what I mean. Match Mike Fitzpatrick, 474 00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:11,479 Speaker 2: you know what I mean. But to me, it's almost 475 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:15,719 Speaker 2: it's this could be lining up really well for a 476 00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:18,800 Speaker 2: trade down because they've only got six picks. To me, 477 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:21,040 Speaker 2: it'd be a great opportunity to pick up an extra one. 478 00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:25,080 Speaker 2: And if you drop down five six slots probably DNA 479 00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:26,800 Speaker 2: get it. You're still going to get a tackle in 480 00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:28,480 Speaker 2: an edge. Now there might be a guy you really 481 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:30,560 Speaker 2: love it. If there's a guy you really love at seventeen, 482 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:34,120 Speaker 2: you know, don't trade it. But you know, if there's 483 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:36,880 Speaker 2: three four guys there and you can get an extra 484 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:39,399 Speaker 2: pick out of it, and you know, I mean, I 485 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:41,040 Speaker 2: think that's probably something they get to look out. I 486 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:45,679 Speaker 2: guess the last time they had the seventeenth pick, they 487 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:48,760 Speaker 2: also had the twenty first pick and they traded down 488 00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:52,280 Speaker 2: to they traded down to twenty seven, so but I 489 00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:53,879 Speaker 2: don't know they haven't traded that. I think that's the 490 00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:55,879 Speaker 2: last time they traded down in the first round, so 491 00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:57,440 Speaker 2: maybe it's time. 492 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:00,400 Speaker 3: Well I can't remember the last time they only had 493 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:04,760 Speaker 3: six picks, so it makes sense to trade down if 494 00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:07,920 Speaker 3: you can and pick up another decent pick. You'd probably 495 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:11,119 Speaker 3: want to do it in the first three rounds. If possible, 496 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:13,480 Speaker 3: so that the that you get in exchange is and 497 00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:16,119 Speaker 3: you know, at the end of the seventh round, you 498 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:17,840 Speaker 3: got to have another team that wants to move up. 499 00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:20,000 Speaker 4: But yeah, I think if they can trade. 500 00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:24,840 Speaker 3: Down and get another middle of the draft type pick 501 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:28,199 Speaker 3: and still have plenty of people on the board that 502 00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:29,520 Speaker 3: they like, I think they would do it. 503 00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:30,560 Speaker 4: I think you got to do it. 504 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:33,320 Speaker 2: I mean, there's going to be a player at seventeen 505 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:36,080 Speaker 2: that you didn't think was going to be there. You know, 506 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:39,919 Speaker 2: you can say, oh, you know who, who could Tyler 507 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:44,520 Speaker 2: Warren fall? Could uh you know, could one of those 508 00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:48,080 Speaker 2: tackles fall you know, uh that? Then then you could 509 00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:49,960 Speaker 2: see a club say, oh, you know, then you could 510 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:52,119 Speaker 2: see a club trying to trying to move up if 511 00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:55,960 Speaker 2: there's a if there's that slide that you know, maybe 512 00:26:57,119 --> 00:26:59,119 Speaker 2: you know, maybe that's where somebody jumps up to get 513 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:01,480 Speaker 2: a quarterback. If I mean, if they're antsy. 514 00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:05,240 Speaker 3: Let's hope, because I would love for the Bengals to 515 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:06,120 Speaker 3: be in that position. 516 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:09,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, and as as long as they get a good player, 517 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:11,960 Speaker 2: you know, and I think they you know, and they'll 518 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:14,080 Speaker 2: make that call, you know. And it looks to me 519 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:17,000 Speaker 2: like when I did it and I believe me. It's 520 00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:19,320 Speaker 2: that that's as raw as it gets when you're talking 521 00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:26,160 Speaker 2: to media representatives. You know, that's that that's certainly no guarantee. 522 00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:29,720 Speaker 2: But this last one that I did, that I published 523 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:34,600 Speaker 2: on this last Tuesday. You know, Nolan was there, Uh, 524 00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:39,080 Speaker 2: you had the three Edges were there, Mike Green who 525 00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:41,000 Speaker 2: I know. I think Paul Danner Jr. Took in his 526 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:45,800 Speaker 2: mock the edge from Marshall. You know, so there were 527 00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:48,000 Speaker 2: there were there were like three or four five guys 528 00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:49,080 Speaker 2: who would be great fits. 529 00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:53,120 Speaker 3: You are headed to the owners meetings in Palm Beach, Florida, 530 00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:54,760 Speaker 3: gets underway on Sunday. 531 00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:58,520 Speaker 4: What will you have your eye on at the owners meetings? 532 00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:05,000 Speaker 2: Well, I I there's not a lot of interesting rule changes. 533 00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:07,080 Speaker 2: You know, usually it got it. You know last year 534 00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:09,560 Speaker 2: that was big. That was the biggest change in probably 535 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:15,240 Speaker 2: fifty years. All eyes were on that. But I'm you know, 536 00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:19,159 Speaker 2: I think it's more kind of internal. You know, we 537 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:21,240 Speaker 2: get another shot at Zach, so it kind of be 538 00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:23,359 Speaker 2: the first time we talked to Zach in depth at 539 00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:29,639 Speaker 2: the AFC Coaches Media Breakfast. You know, I also think 540 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:33,760 Speaker 2: too that the uh something that I kind of want 541 00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:37,520 Speaker 2: to maybe ask some ask some other coaches is their 542 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:41,360 Speaker 2: view of the Bengals, And that's what I want. I 543 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:44,200 Speaker 2: want to ask, and I'll probably try to ram out 544 00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:45,600 Speaker 2: a story like that, but I want to talk to 545 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:51,040 Speaker 2: a guy like Mark Gannis, who's a pretty connected financial 546 00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:53,920 Speaker 2: guy with the league, runs his own company. He's always 547 00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:56,200 Speaker 2: the owners always invite him down. He's kind of a 548 00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:59,080 Speaker 2: consultant for the league, you know. I want to talk 549 00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:01,600 Speaker 2: to some other gm I want to just get their 550 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:04,520 Speaker 2: view on the Bengals, because you know, you get so 551 00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:07,160 Speaker 2: much into a you get so much into a bubble. 552 00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:10,320 Speaker 2: You're reading certain people, You're always reading certain things, and 553 00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:13,160 Speaker 2: you gotta you know, they call it the echo chamber. 554 00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:15,840 Speaker 2: So I want to maybe step out of the echo chamber, 555 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:18,520 Speaker 2: kind of work the lobby a little bit, you know, 556 00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:23,600 Speaker 2: ask some ask some people who you know, some executives 557 00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:26,040 Speaker 2: around the league. I want to the guy from Netflix 558 00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:28,800 Speaker 2: is going to be there and I want to get him, 559 00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:31,640 Speaker 2: you know, talking about hide knocks and borrow and just 560 00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:33,480 Speaker 2: kind of the allure of the Bengals. I think the 561 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:36,080 Speaker 2: Bengals are very I wanted to talk to some league 562 00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:39,640 Speaker 2: people too, in the marketing about about the popularity of 563 00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:44,280 Speaker 2: this club. Bengals hugely popular, you know. I mean we 564 00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:47,120 Speaker 2: see it the last two years they've come out with 565 00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:51,600 Speaker 2: a TV schedule, you know, and I you know, probably 566 00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:53,520 Speaker 2: take a temperature on if they're going to get a 567 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:55,880 Speaker 2: if they're going to get an international game or not. So, 568 00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:57,800 Speaker 2: but that's kind of what I'm going to look at, 569 00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:01,760 Speaker 2: Hordy long story kind of made a short story along there. 570 00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:03,520 Speaker 2: But just see what the rest of the league is 571 00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:04,480 Speaker 2: thinking about this club. 572 00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:08,440 Speaker 3: Were you surprised that Burrow agreed to do the Quarterback 573 00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:09,440 Speaker 3: series on Netflix. 574 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:16,000 Speaker 2: I'm never surprised with joe Leie Burrow. I think I 575 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:18,120 Speaker 2: think he's although we gotta go. We gotta remember what 576 00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:21,480 Speaker 2: he said, you had to. Yeah, when we asked him 577 00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:24,040 Speaker 2: the last time about this, he said, well no, We 578 00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:26,880 Speaker 2: asked him if he was gonna watch it, right, and 579 00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:28,680 Speaker 2: he said, no, I'm not gonna watch it, I think 580 00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:31,800 Speaker 2: he said, and somebody said, well why not? He said, well, 581 00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:32,800 Speaker 2: would you guys. 582 00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:37,600 Speaker 6: Watch a documentary on Hobson And you said absolutely, Ill 583 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:39,560 Speaker 6: it was one of the great But uh so we're 584 00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:41,400 Speaker 6: gonna have to ask him about We're gonna have to. 585 00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:44,840 Speaker 6: I wasn't thinking on my I wasn't thinking on my 586 00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:47,600 Speaker 6: feet though, although I don't know if it was public 587 00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:49,760 Speaker 6: when I talked to him, so I. 588 00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:52,000 Speaker 2: Missed a great opportunity to ask him about that. But now, 589 00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:54,680 Speaker 2: you know, I think I don't know. I think Joe 590 00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:56,880 Speaker 2: gets it too. I mean I think, you know, I 591 00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:59,320 Speaker 2: don't know. I think he knows. He probably figured well, 592 00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:00,680 Speaker 2: if I don't do it now, they're just going to 593 00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:02,880 Speaker 2: keep hammering me. So get it out. You know, he's 594 00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:05,080 Speaker 2: probably one of these guys, Hey, let's get it out 595 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:07,240 Speaker 2: of the way. I mean, he's so efficient the way 596 00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:09,760 Speaker 2: he does things. Maybe you just think him a Look, 597 00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:11,800 Speaker 2: they're going to be killing me for the next five 598 00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:13,440 Speaker 2: years to get me on that. Let's just nip it 599 00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:14,440 Speaker 2: in the bud and you do it. 600 00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:19,360 Speaker 3: I can't wait to watch the Netflix series Scribe, featuring 601 00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:22,680 Speaker 3: you and two other NFL reporters. 602 00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:28,560 Speaker 2: Would that be anybody who watched that would have to 603 00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:29,960 Speaker 2: be immediately committed. 604 00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:35,760 Speaker 3: All right, you're hitting the road today, So I want 605 00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:38,200 Speaker 3: to wrap this up with one final topic, and it's 606 00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:41,840 Speaker 3: something near and dear to your heart. We are announcing 607 00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:49,040 Speaker 3: today the date of the inaugural Jack Hobson Memorial Golf Classic. 608 00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:52,960 Speaker 2: Right, thank you, Hordy for popping that out. We'll see 609 00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:55,920 Speaker 2: if his grandfather is able to put it together. I 610 00:31:55,960 --> 00:32:00,400 Speaker 2: hope it's not a the Jeff Fox and first Danuel Ago, 611 00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:03,520 Speaker 2: but uh, I think, uh no, it is. You know, 612 00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:08,160 Speaker 2: I think you guys know, Jack Hobson is my grandson 613 00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:12,120 Speaker 2: who passed away after twenty nine days of a congenital 614 00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:15,600 Speaker 2: hip defect. And so just trying to raise some money. 615 00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:18,600 Speaker 2: Get awareness out there too. I think that's a big thing, 616 00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:22,520 Speaker 2: is uh, get screenings, you know, try to you know, 617 00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:27,400 Speaker 2: prenatal care so important. Get screenings, particularly if there's uh 618 00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:30,200 Speaker 2: if that, if that, you know, I have problems running 619 00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:33,360 Speaker 2: your family, and you know, just get the awareness out 620 00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:36,200 Speaker 2: have have have a great time. Remember I know my 621 00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:42,160 Speaker 2: uh son whenever we have a you know, whenever he's visiting, uh, 622 00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:45,719 Speaker 2: you know, whenever he's visiting with Anita and I and 623 00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:47,480 Speaker 2: we were going to have dinner, and he'll always you know, 624 00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:51,400 Speaker 2: we'll do a toast to Jack. So this this one 625 00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:53,600 Speaker 2: morning is going to be you know too, Jack, and 626 00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:57,920 Speaker 2: be great to have guys like yourself there. Get his uh, 627 00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:01,080 Speaker 2: get get all my full We'll see how many friends 628 00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:02,840 Speaker 2: I have. I don't think they have that many, but 629 00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:05,440 Speaker 2: we've got to fill a field of seventy two and 630 00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:08,040 Speaker 2: legendary and run would love to have you so May 631 00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:13,360 Speaker 2: thirtieth eight am, and that would be uh. I appreciate that, Ordy, 632 00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:16,120 Speaker 2: for you given us giving us a shout out. 633 00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:18,720 Speaker 4: May thirtieth eight in the morning. 634 00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:23,560 Speaker 3: Legendary Run, Great Golf Course, Jack Hopson Memorial Golf Classic. 635 00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:25,160 Speaker 4: More information to. 636 00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:27,440 Speaker 3: Come on how you can sign up and what it's 637 00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:30,000 Speaker 3: going to cost, etc. But I'm putting that on my 638 00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:32,880 Speaker 3: calendar right now. I will be at the inaugural Jack. 639 00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,080 Speaker 2: That's beautiful. That's a great. Now, we've got to have 640 00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:38,560 Speaker 2: a great MC there. You won't have to work, Ordy. 641 00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:40,640 Speaker 2: You won't have to work this one because the great 642 00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:44,280 Speaker 2: Ed Stutto, who is doubling as my director of sponsorship, 643 00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:50,040 Speaker 2: and the mc rodney Dangerfield comes the legendary. So if 644 00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:52,600 Speaker 2: you wear a hat, he'll say, hey, where'd you get 645 00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:53,120 Speaker 2: that hat? 646 00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:55,720 Speaker 4: You'll be wearing a hat. 647 00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:57,480 Speaker 2: I know that that's correct. 648 00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:00,200 Speaker 4: Hey, I really appreciate your time. I asked you to 649 00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,920 Speaker 4: do this on short notice and you came through. Enjoy 650 00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:04,520 Speaker 4: the owner's meetings, and I'll look forward. 651 00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:06,960 Speaker 2: To seeing you soon for Dan board anything. 652 00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:08,719 Speaker 4: See us soon, Fordy. 653 00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:10,840 Speaker 1: That's going to do it for this episode of the 654 00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:13,680 Speaker 1: Bengals Booth Podcast, brought to you by pay Core, Proud 655 00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:17,600 Speaker 1: to be the Bengals official HR software provider, by Alta 656 00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:20,640 Speaker 1: Fiber future proof fiber Internet designed to elevate your home, 657 00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:24,040 Speaker 1: business and community to a new level, and by Kettering 658 00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:27,440 Speaker 1: Health the best care for the best fans. Kettering Health 659 00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:31,040 Speaker 1: is the official healthcare provider of the Bengals. 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